Thread 718701443

>/v/ now hates it
Why?

Contrarians. They actually love it.

>>718701443 (OP)
I did not care for the platforming, but the enemy designs were good

>>718701443 (OP)
Today alone has already made me sick to death of seeing it.

>>718701443 (OP)
Game is just dogshit outside of bossfights. The map feels borderline randomly generated, and the gates arbitrarily strewn about equally so. Everything looks so samey and generic and there is just no rhyme or reason to any of the world layout, yet they still feel compelled to make exploring as grating, tedious, and full of backtracking as possible, even forcing Souls shit into the game that only serves as a detriment.

>>718701443 (OP)
Newfag-kun, changing your opinions to sound cool and different is a fundamental aspect of /v/, the fags here are perma high schoolers

>>718701443 (OP)
It's popular

>>718701443 (OP)
>>/v/ now hates it
it's always been a very mid game. pointless huge empty map. retarded map making system. etc.

>>718701443 (OP)
The game is fine, but it’s not a 10/10 masterpiece. It’s like a 7.5/10.

>>718701443 (OP)
E33 shills trying to salvage GOTY since Silksong got announced. Literal third worlders who are being paid money to make threads.

I’ve always disliked the map but I think Metroidvanias as a concept just kinda suck. 99% of them can’t seem to give you a real reason to back track other than just forcing you too, which turns progression into this really weird sluggish feeling of doing the same thing over and over. The DLC’s for this game are godly though and are worth playing the entire thing just for them alone. The lore is also fun

>>718701443 (OP)
the game is a 10/10 masterpiece though

wow it's one of the few steam games I've never drunkenly bought. I've never played it.

>>718701443 (OP)
devs trooned out and troons started liking it years ago

There are games that I hate, but I understand why they are popular (wow, minecraft). And with this game, I don't understand what's special about it at all, it's just a regular metroidvania with reddit artstyle.

>>718701443 (OP)
>Countless threads
>Years of hype
>/v/ hates it
Stop imagining things that aren't true

There will be some edgy faggots who will try to claim it’s not that great.

And there will also be some retards who played an hour and “I didn’t get past green path and don’t see what the big deal is”

But for those of us who have been playing games for decades and are metroidvania fans, it’s pretty simple - this was one of the top video games of all time. Maybe even *the* top.

The way the game felt like a reasonably good linear game at first and then just OPENED UP for you, letting you explore where ever you wanted to (and could get to). The supreme non-linearity and deep lore that never once beat you over the head, and always left you feeling like you wanted more.

The action was spectacular, and every time I died I fully blamed myself. It was never the game’s fault.

I have played Hollow Knight fully through five different times, and no single time has quite been the same. It’s quite simply the finest Metroidvania of all time, and a heavy contender for greatest video game of all time. And this is coming from someone who’s been gaming since the Atari 2600.

>>718701443 (OP)
>now
They hated it the second it got to popular

>>718701443 (OP)
>>now
>no
>n

>>718701443 (OP)
>now
go gaslight somewhere else, troon

>>718704058
Fuck off retard.

It's legitimately terrible. The map straight up feels like it was randomly generated and they just strew a hundred gates all over the map at random. There is no sense of progression, no rhyme or reason or coherence to where you're supposed to go.

You find a powerup, then you just do a big fucking loop around the entire map and check every gate, maybe you marked a couple that seemed important, maybe you remembered the vague area where a few were, but that's all you can do.

And most of the time those gates have nothing of relevance behind them, just a bit of essence, a merchant that sells a couple items, a lore tidbit, a shortcut with no cutback, a rotten egg, a bit of geo, a grubworm (read: a bit of geo), etc.

>>718705131
Hilarious watching zoomer retards crashing out this hard over a game that doesn’t hold their hands and pat them on the head every few seconds with a “GOOD BOY” notification.

> I had to EXPLORE.
> and sometimes there wasn’t even a huge reward!

Oh no! You poor darling! Are you doing okay? Do you need me to stop by and bring you some soup and tampons? Is there already a GoFundMe I can contribute to?

You absolute pathetic worm. Yes, that’s how games work. At least, that’s how real games should work. I swear you pathetic faggots simply would not have survived growing up in the 80s and living off NES games.

Please stop playing video games entirely and go mindlessly gaze at TikTok some more. You deserve each other.

anything that reddit likes i will oppose

>>718706074
Exploration would work fine if the game didn't have hundreds of arbitrary gates thrown up everywhere that have to be approached in a specific order using a sequence of hidden upgrades and massive amounts of forced backtracking. The game is also extremely samey for how massive it is, rooms are just generic, unmemorable and just all blend together, even much worse than in Super Metroid, which is especially an issue as HK has a much larger map and zero form of player guidance.

Additionally, there is a lot more "snaking" in HK's map design so if you need to head in a certain general direction, it's near impossible to tell which path leads there without a map, because paths constantly weave and snake around in every which direction. Seems like a minor nitpick, but really makes navigation a total fucking pain in the ass and basically a complete waste of time before you get the region map.

Essentially, Hollow Knight is just a game with very little thought or understanding put into its world layout from amateur gamedevs that don't understand game design principles that have been around for decades.

>>718706074
Hollow Knight's map design is exclusive to modern metroidvanias where there is no thought or intention to the layout and it's just a big giant labyrinthine clusterfuck with no rhyme or reason or flow, littered with gates absolutely everywhere that makes you backtrack all throughout the world every time you get a new powerup testing each one out (most leading to nothing interesting or important).

I refuse to believe you've actually played Super Metroid if you can't tell the massive day and night difference.

>>718706481
>muh old good modern bad
So when is your dear pedophile leader releasing the Epstein files?

>>718701443 (OP)
nobody with 50%+ a functioning brain ever liked this

>>718701443 (OP)
It's not /v/, /v/ is a board with different types of people, and the same "people" that hates it also hates Souls games, I think you can figure out why by yourself.

>>718706074
>find powerup
>have to remember exactly which of the hundreds of active gates were locked by that specific powerup (remember you can't make notes on the map, and there are only five map markers that you have to pay for each one)
>even if you know exactly which paths were opened by this powerup, they are all spread to complete opposite corners of the map so you have to do a big giant fucking loop around the whole map hitting up each of the dozen different gates
>if you dare die even a single time while doing this big boring slog around the map, you will be lose a ton of progress and all your money
>going to retrieve this money wastes even more fucking time, and if you die again while on your way, then you permanently lose that money and wasted your time for nothing
>10/12 of these paths will be completely worthless garbage like a merchant that sells a couple items, a lore tidbit, a shortcut with no cutback, a rotten egg, a bit of geo, or a grubworm (read: a bit of geo)
>1/12 might be an actual somewhat useful merchant or upgrade
>1/12 is the a critical upgrade
>repeat this tedious slog for every single new key upgrade you find.
So much fun! I just love modern metroidvania design!

>>718704058
>DECADES OF VIDYA EXPERIENCES
>hasn't played anything better than slop knight
grim!

>>718705131
>Fuck off retard.
>It's legitimately terrible.
lol, the game has over 400,000 reviews on Steam and less than 3% are negative. That's about as much of a consensus that is humanly possible. No piece of media will be liked by everyone and I myself dislike certain popular things but it is hilarious to see people try and act like it is "objectively bad" instead of just a personal dislike when they are in the extreme minority.
>>718701443 (OP)
It's telling that the only place that "hates it" is the one spot on the internet where you can make 50 posts pretending to be different people lol.

>>718706307

> Exploration would work fine if the game didn't have hundreds of arbitrary gates thrown up everywhere that have to be approached in a specific order using a sequence of hidden upgrades and massive amounts of forced backtracking.

Holy fuck, sounds like you just described a Metroidvania. In fact it sounds like you just described a really fucking fun metroidvania.

> Additionally, there is a lot more "snaking" in HK's map design

Let me get this straight. You want straight line corridors that go directly where you want to go with no complexity or maze-like qualities at all. Uh huh. Are you actually a fucking retard. Go play a corridor shooter.

>>718706481

> Hollow Knight's map design is exclusive to modern metroidvanias where there is no thought or intention to the layout

Yes, it’s COMPLETELY RANDOM that Deepnest is on the bottom of the map, a terrifying and deep area it takes a long time to get to. It’s COMPLETELY RANDOM that the “Lake” is above the City, and is what causes the constant rain leading to the “City of Tears”. It’s COMPLETELY RANDOM that Crystal Peaks is on the top edge of the map…. Etc etc. do you see how fucking stupid you sound?

> muh Super Metroid.

Legitimately a great game, unlike you im not a retard. I love SM, but it also has lots of random back tracking and confusing maze like aspects - WHICH IS FUCKING GOOD BECAUSE THATS WHATS FUN.

>>718707063

Sounds like you got filtered. I died a LOT the first play through, but that also made exploring scary and tense - which it should be. I’m sorry the idea of a game with actual teeth frightens you. It sounds like maybe you should be playing friendly plastic children’s games - not modern Metroidvania masterpieces.

The absolute zero frustration tolerance threshold on these kids, I swear

>>718708334
All that drivel but you still haven't actually played Super Metroid (or any Metroid game) or SotN (or any Igavania game).

You will never understand until you do, so shut the fuck up and play a real metroidvania, zoomer shitstain.

>I love SM, but it also has lots of random back tracking and confusing maze like aspects
No... no, it really fucking doesn't. You have not played it.

>Yes, it’s COMPLETELY RANDOM that Deepnest is on the bottom of the map, a terrifying and deep area it takes a long time to get to. It’s COMPLETELY RANDOM that the “Lake” is above the City, and is what causes the constant rain leading to the “City of Tears”. It’s COMPLETELY RANDOM that Crystal Peaks is on the top edge of the map…. Etc etc. do you see how fucking stupid you sound?
Map layout based on loreshit is about the worst way to design a world. Shame.

>>718708334
>I died a LOT the first play through, but that also made exploring scary and tense
holy shit you fucking suck, I probably beat it in like a quarter the time you did lmao

tranny trash

>>718701708
Some of us realized we fucked ourselves over in high school doing that and stopped.

it's a good game but i'm just sick of seeing people (pretending to) lose their minds over it
it's just not good enough or interesting for that kind of reception. still going to pirate silksong

>>718709263
No need to write your autobiography dude.

>>718701443 (OP)
>Why?
Because it's popular and people are excited so the broke bitches on /v/ are throwing a temper tantrum over other people looking forward to a game and are throwing every buzzword under the sun to try and dismay others excited

>>718701443 (OP)
The fans are annoying faggots

>>718701443 (OP)
>Play hollow knight for the first time
>Get immersed in world
>Beat the bad ending
>Enjoy it so much that I go for good ending
>Beat good ending
>Enjoy it so much I decide to do all the Pantheons and go for 112%
>Overall verdict is that its a pretty fun game and worth the price, despite it's flaws
>Biggest gripes are that it feels too obvious where to go on your first playthrough and that first half is a bit too easy
>Go on /v/
>See subhumans complaining about the map being too large
>See subhumans complaining about how there's no incentive to explore, even though that's how you get all your mask, nail and soul upgrades
>See subhumans who complain about the game being too punishing and difficult
>See subhumans who haven't gotten past the first boss complain that the combat is way too simple
>Most of these subhumans are tendietrannies
>Remember that I don't go to /v/ for video game opinions
>Be happy

nobody is reading that lil bro

>>718701697
it sounds like you're exaggerating and attributing things to HK just to cloak not liking metroidvanias at all. you hate you need an airdash to collect an item? you hate doors that for some reason you need to open with a green missile instead of a red one? you hate backtracking? It's a metroidvania.

>>718701443 (OP)
I like it but have never understood the insane popularity.

LOL

>>718701443 (OP)
Probably too hard for nu-/v/

>>718701443 (OP)
>now
I hated this piece of shit right away. Did not understand what makes a Metroidvania tick at all.

>>718710104
Do I need to explain to you why getting upgrades to keep pace with the game's expectations isn't an incentive to explore but a punishment for not exploring and treading water at best?

>>718704058
You have shit fucking taste.

>>718713645
>t. Tendietranny

>>718701443 (OP)
It hit the mainstream and got really popular sometimes after it's Switch release.
Before then, the consensus was that it was a very pretty and well made metroidvania

>>718713713
No.

>>718701443 (OP)
i tried it like 3 times, it's boring and bugs are ugly, same reason i never finished bug fable

>>718701443 (OP)
It was fine. I just don't see the semingly endless hype.

>>718701443 (OP)
People who were never interested in it get FOMO seeing that a sequel is coming, they try it and discover they don't like it.

>There are games that I hate, but I understand why they are popular (wow, minecraft). And with this game, I don't understand what's special about it at all, it's just a regular metroidvania with reddit artstyle.
>>find powerup
>>have to remember exactly which of the hundreds of active gates were locked by that specific powerup (remember you can't make notes on the map, and there are only five map markers that you have to pay for each one)
>>even if you know exactly which paths were opened by this powerup, they are all spread to complete opposite corners of the map so you have to do a big giant fucking loop around the whole map hitting up each of the dozen different gates
>>if you dare die even a single time while doing this big boring slog around the map, you will be lose a ton of progress and all your money
>>going to retrieve this money wastes even more fucking time, and if you die again while on your way, then you permanently lose that money and wasted your time for nothing
>>10/12 of these paths will be completely worthless garbage like a merchant that sells a couple items, a lore tidbit, a shortcut with no cutback, a rotten egg, a bit of geo, or a grubworm (read: a bit of geo)
>>1/12 might be an actual somewhat useful merchant or upgrade
>>1/12 is the a critical upgrade
>>repeat this tedious slog for every single new key upgrade you find.
>So much fun! I just love modern metroidvania design!

>>718716461
Did your bot break?

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>>718701443 (OP)
TRANNY

>>718701443 (OP)
Popular, thus "reddit" etc. Probably considered "woke" too by some retards.

>>718701847
>literally one of the more content rich metroidvanias
>literally the same mapping spot unlock shit that every metroid on the planet has

>>718706074
Stacking 2D megaman levels upon each other is not good metroidvania level design though. The map is an afterthought, what people liked was CONTENT FOR A CHEAP PRICE, there's bearly anything else.

>>718717493
it is woke tho tranny

>>718717682
You either haven't played hollow knight or megaman, likely both. It's funny because there is a metroidvania that suffers from that exact flaw and its nothing like hollow knight

>>718717682
>Stacking 2D megaman levels upon each other
This is not what Hollow Knight has. Prove me otherwise.
>is not good metroidvania level design
You need to argue why that is.
>The map is an afterthought
By what argument?
>what people liked
Source?
>there's bearly anything else
Everything in a game is "content". There is no "anything else" to be had.

3/10, come see me after class.

>>718701443 (OP)
It's solid and I had fun with it, but it's overrated. I got it during the summer sale when people here were jerking it off as masterpiece and would have enjoyed it more if I went in with no expectations. Strongly reminded me of Aquaria, another pretty indie metroidvania that's good but not the second coming of Christ

>>718718392
it's wokeslop

>>718717943
>It's funny because there is a metroidvania that suffers from that exact flaw
Which game? Because that actually sounds pretty inter-

oh, ZX. yeah, that tracks

>>718719331
>retards that dislike Hollow Knight have also been filtered by the best Mega Man game
Wow. What a surprise.

>>718704058
>and deep lore that never once beat you over the head, and always left you feeling like you wanted more.
On the off chance you're being serious and not shitposting, you're the kind of retard that thinks From games are the pinnacle of video games and for hardcore gamers and not casuals.

>>718719940
>From games are the pinnacle of video games and for hardcore gamers and not casuals.
not him, but they absolutely are. You are a zoomer who was never around for Demon's Souls. kys

>>718719940
>retard that dislikes Hollow Knight also hates Souls games
bruh
the joke writes themselves

>>718720005
>You are a zoomer who was never around for Demon's Souls.
Try again. You sound like a PTDsecondary.

>>718720049
Actually, this was my first post in the thread.
>>718712793
I liked it. I'll play Silksong when it comes out. I've also been playing Souls games since they came out but don't pretend they're all masterpieces or that they're the peak of the medium. Only retarded shit eating casuals pretend that. Fromdrones are like a new evolution of tendies with their delusion.

>>718720147
what do you think is the peak of the medium

>>718720191
Pick a genre and I'll give you a few games. Only a profoundly retarded cocksucking monkey would ever think one game or series of games could be the peak of a medium as inherently varied as video games.

>>718720147
I'm assuming you just took a random screenshot from a PSNProfile, as anyone around for Demon's Souls would know that it was an extremely hardcore game with no equal anywhere in the AAA or niche space. It's only after hundreds of hours of experience in Souls games that you can find these games ""easy"". Even compared to some of the hardest 3D action games of all time, Demon's Souls is harder than almost all of them outside of like NG2 on MNM or DMC3 DMD SS-ranks (not just S-ranks, which are pretty easy)

>>718701443 (OP)
>game comes out
>/v/ likes it
>everyone else starts to like it
>/v/ hates it
I'm tired of pretending anybody here isn't aware of how this hellhole works. You fucking know why.

>>718720147
Demon's Souls 2009 is absolutely the peak of the medium though.

>Only retarded shit eating casuals pretend that.
casuals don't even play these games at all, or at the very least didn't play them until Dark Souls 3 or Elden Ring. How pathetic and contrarian are you that you can no longer consider a game a masterpiece just because it became popular after the fact?

>>718701443 (OP)
They can't beat it, of course. Any game that requires effort, /v/ hates it.

>>718701443 (OP)
This mode operates on contrarianism and always has. There is not a reason per se.

>>718719594
>ZX best megaman game
wow

>>718720262
shmup

>>718719594
I enjoyed both Hollow Knight and Mega Man ZX but the mission system was fucking shit. It totally defeats the purpose of a metroidvania when nothing interesting spawns until you select the stage from a menu.

>>718701443 (OP)
i been hating this shit since 2019

>>718701443 (OP)
i never liked it. it's just mid. metroidvanias in general are the most forced game genre ever.

>>718701443 (OP)
It's a woke game created by Trump-hating leftists

>>718720858
yes

>>718721054
it's this and celeste. those are just forced games that constantly try to remind you that it's a game. like why do you need to do anything in those games. why collect strawberries? why do i need to backtrack? for what? a chest with 30 geodes?

>>718720147
>[extremely difficult and hardcore game] is actually casual trash just because it's popular!! REEEEEEEE!!
>ok, what's an actually difficult and hardcore game then?
>*crickets*
Every fucking time. Either that or you just hastily google hardcore games and rattle off a list of games you've never even played.

>>718701443 (OP)
Pure contrarianism

>>718701443 (OP)
>now
You're perception is so universally warped that even time itself is subject to retarded revisionism.

>>718721261
HK isnt even as hard as the easiest platformer pre 1994 lmfao what are you talking about?

>>718720318
>I'm assuming you just took a random screenshot from a PSNProfile
Nope, that's mine.
>as anyone around for Demon's Souls would know that it was an extremely hardcore game with no equal anywhere in the AAA or niche space
Wrong again. I'm older than you, have playing games longer than you, and was here when people were importing DeS from playasia.
>It's only after hundreds of hours of experience in Souls games that you can find these games ""easy"".
I never said they were easy. You're an idiot.
>Even compared to some of the hardest 3D action games of all time, Demon's Souls is harder than almost all of them outside of like NG2 on MNM or DMC3 DMD SS-ranks (not just S-ranks, which are pretty easy)
This is complete fucking bullshit. DMC3 on DMD (not getting SS ranks, just fucking beating levels) is infinitely harder than anything in any Souls game. I know this, because I've actually played both.

>>718720484
>Demon's Souls 2009 is absolutely the peak of the medium though.
Nope.
>casuals don't even play these games at all
Thanks for the laugh.

>>718720934
I don't play enough of those to say what the best is, and I'm not going to be an asshole and just say Ikaruga or one of the few I bought at comiket that no one here has heard of.

>>718721261
>[extremely difficult and hardcore game]
Doesn't apply to Souls at all. The only people that deify them are casuals that want to pretend they're hardcore gamers. Funny how I never talked about difficulty but the cocksucking Fromdrone faggot monkeys all started shitposting about that.

>>718721470
HK is like 50x harder than both Super Metroid and SotN (which are some of the easiest action games of all time)

Metroid xisters this was supposed to be our year!

>>718721474
>This is complete fucking bullshit. DMC3 on DMD (not getting SS ranks, just fucking beating levels) is infinitely harder than anything in any Souls game. I know this, because I've actually played both.
You are either lying or an absolutely fucking delusional shitter. S-ranks are a fucking joke and only require getting S-ranks in a few easy categories which have much more lax requirements on DMD anyways. You can even spam items in many chapters and still get an overall S-rank.

SS-ranks are significantly harder because you have to get S-ranks in every single category and have no crutch of items to fall back on.

Again, play the games you fucking assclown.

>>718721597
I said pre 1994 you fucking illiterate trog

>>718701443 (OP)
you would be genuinely retarded to care about any stupid thing retards from this board have to say. if you have even watched most people from /v/ play a game they are more retarded than the guy stuck on the cuphead tutorial which is why there are so many bitchfits in threads. this is not where you go to find people who like games, you come here to see people soil themselves.

>>718721748
>You are either lying
By all means, start up the game and show how easy it is to beat Cerberus on DMD. It doesn't take more than 8 minutes to get there, so skip the part where you pretend it's some huge unreasonable task.
>Again, play the games you fucking assclown.
I do and have been for decades, unlike. Dumb fucking redditor casual.

>>718721937
I beat the game and simply did not enjoy my time with it

>>718721474
>Nope.
>but I'm too much of a little insecure faggot to name any games that are
lmao fuck off you spineless retard. Demon's Souls is about as near to perfection as a game can come.

>Doesn't apply to Souls at all. The only people that deify them are casuals that want to pretend they're hardcore gamers.
It absolutely does, there is like <5 action games in existence that are harder than Souls. If Demon's Souls never got popular like it did, it would still to this day be an uber-hardcore underground series that people reference when they want to seem like this edgy, hardcore counter-culture gamer. But now that it became popular a decade later, it's nothing but casual trash apparently. The lengths of your contrarianism know no bounds.

Here's a little hint for you dumbfuck: basically any game in existence is not going to be all that difficult if you have a massive community of millions of players sharing information, huge amounts of resources, and thousands of hours played across the series. All these fucking games that people think are so hardcore and ridiculously difficult, you'd have to drag them kicking and screaming just to actually play more than a couple hours. Put some fucking hours in them and they are no longer difficult. You can go from never having played Contra to doing a deathless clear in less time than it takes a first time player to beat TWO FUCKING BOSSES in Demon's Souls.

>Funny how I never talked about difficulty but the cocksucking Fromdrone faggot monkeys all started shitposting about that.
You explicitly did you fucking mong, right here:
>Only retarded shit eating casuals pretend that.

>Cartoon artstyle
>Western made
>Requires more than one braincell and the motor skills of a 90 y/o grandma to play
>Non Japanese game in Japan originated genre
>No Naked women
>No hand holding
I think it's pretty obvious why /v/ hates this game now.

>>718721948
>By all means, start up the game and show how easy it is to beat Cerberus on DMD. It doesn't take more than 8 minutes to get there, so skip the part where you pretend it's some huge unreasonable task.
I've already done DMD S-ranks in DMC3 and DMC4 (not SS), as well as BP. DMC difficulty has always been massively overblown. There are obvious cheese strats for nearly every section, your jump gives full i-frames to apex, and you can even spam items and still get S-ranks.

>I do and have been for decades, unlike. Dumb fucking redditor casual.
Decades? It took you decades to learn DMC? Are you fucking serious right now you fucking shitter? It took me under 50 hours to go from first time player to BP completed and DMD S-ranks

>Dumb fucking redditor casual.
DMC has always been a gay reddit series, it's extremely popular over there.

>>718722270
Why do retarded brown underage faggot redditors fly into a fit of rage and inane scream "NAME SOME GAMES!" to fit criteria the person they're arguing with never even brought up like it's some kind of bulletproof defense?
>It absolutely does, there is like <5 action games in existence that are harder than Souls.
You don't play video games. There's no other argument to be had here. If you genuinely believe there are less than 5 games harder than Souls, you don't play video games.
>Here's a little hint for you dumbfuck: basically any game in existence is not going to be all that difficult if you have a massive community of millions of players sharing information, huge amounts of resources, and thousands of hours played across the series.
Here's some advice, you underage shitskin: Don't assume everyone is a wikibaby like you.
>Only retarded shit eating casuals pretend that.
I know you're really fucking stupid and I know you desperately want to pretend to be a knowledgeable oldfag "real" gamer (you're not), but nowhere in that sentence you quoted do I say anything about difficulty. No, casual gamers don't have anything to do with difficulty. Casuals love shit like CoD and those games on the highest difficulty setting or at top tier competitive online play are ball crushingly hard. That has nothing to do with casuals liking the games.

>>718701443 (OP)
Always have the hollow knight hype is the same type of retard that hyped up dmc5 and mh and dd2 all hyping up trash just to get a seuqle for their autistic self

>>718722524
>There are obvious cheese strats for nearly every section
>the game is easy
>if you cheese it
Thanks for the laugh. We're done now.

>>718722270
>le ultra hardcore gaymer
>look inside
>epic tubular radical pizza reddit DMC player who thinks it's the hardest action game ever and struggles just to even beat the levels even with shit rankings

>>718722674
>/v/
>look inside
>redditors pretending their opinions matter

>>718701443 (OP)
I only checked out Hollow Knight and fell in love with it because ever since it released these bait threads keep popping up.So, with Silksong on the horizon I want to say, thank you shitposters, truly.

>You don't play video games. There's no other argument to be had here. If you genuinely believe there are less than 5 games harder than Souls, you don't play video games.
I've beat well over a thousand. I said action games, not all games. Obviously I'm not including meme shit that like 10 people on earth have played like IWBTG fangames and their action game equivalent or any garbage like that.

>Don't assume everyone is a wikibaby like you.
I wasn't even talking about you, I was talking about in general. Regardless, there is a big difference between using a wikia to handhold you on your first playthrough, and just isolating yourself never even reading a single bit of information about a game that you have hundreds or thousands of hours in, that's just ridiculous. In any case, Souls is also much harder without the wikia, so I'm not sure what your point is here exactly..

>underage shitskin
>I know you're really fucking stupid and I know you desperately want to pretend to be a knowledgeable oldfag
lmao, look how upset you get when someone pulls away your facade of this ebic hardcore gamer. Totally a completely hinged and natural response.

>No, casual gamers don't have anything to do with difficulty. Casuals love shit like CoD and those games on the highest difficulty setting or at top tier competitive online play are ball crushingly hard. That has nothing to do with casuals liking the games.
And now you completely change the goalposts and walk back everything you said like a dog with its tail between its leg. Good, next time think before you just rattle shit off.

>>718722658
thanks for making it blatantly obvious that you do not play these games at even any remotely high level.

Yes, clearly I just press the "cheese" button on my controller, and sit back and relax while the S-ranks roll in. Fucking retard. You really just have no idea what you're talking about and don't even try to hide it.

>>718722993
>And now you completely change the goalposts and walk back everything you said
I asked you were I started talking about difficulty. You quoted me saying that casuals like From games. I explained that saying casuals like it has nothing to do with difficulty, you chimped out like the little brown monkey you are. You can have another reply when you address that directly instead of getting angry and trying to change the subject.

>>718723128
Your original post
>kind of retard that thinks From games are the pinnacle of video games and for hardcore gamers and not casuals.
and
>don't pretend they're all masterpieces or that they're the peak of the medium. Only retarded shit eating casuals pretend that

That's not even subtle in the slightest. You outright directly state that "only shit eating casuals" would think Souls is the pinnacle, and that a hardcore player would never think that and that Souls games are beneath them.

Now you try to walk it back when your "hardcore gaymer" facade is exposed

>Contrarian website is contrarian
shocking

>>718706723
He's right and fuck trump

>>718723475
>That's not even subtle in the slightest
None of that has to do with difficulty at all, no matter how angry that makes you. That was the point of my CoD comment, which you were unsurprisingly too fucking stupid to understand. Here's another example to short circuit your brown little brain: Fallout 1 isn't a hard game at all, but casual RPG fans don't play it.

>>718723616
I never mentioned difficulty either, I merely used the same labels of casual and hardcore that you used in your post. You have this idea that a "hardcore gamer" (whatever the fuck you define it as) refuses to play or praise any game that is remotely popular. Even if a very niche and challenging game (like Demon's Souls) becomes popular after the fact, it can no longer be considered a pinnacle... simply because it's now been tainted by icky casuals that also play it...?

It's just such a childish and contrarian way of thinking, that I can't even believe people like that actually exists, but you do you.

>>718723616
Of both games at launch, Demon's Souls was much more niche and hardcore than Fallout 1 by basically every metric.

Not following here. It seems you just hate Souls because its series became very popular around a decade later

>>718722270
You are a completely delusional retard.

>>718723862
>I never mentioned difficulty either
You replied directly to this chain, and even quoted it, so you don't get to pretend that's not you and you weren't talking about it.
>>718721261
>>[extremely difficult and hardcore game]
>>718721474
>Funny how I never talked about difficulty
>>718722270
>>Funny how I never talked about difficulty but the cocksucking Fromdrone faggot monkeys all started shitposting about that.
>You explicitly did you fucking mong, right here:
No do you damage control dance and pretend quoting that directly and replying about that explicitly doesn't mean you were talking about that.

>>718724092
I was talking about in that previous post, Sherlock.

Still you don't address this:
>You have this idea that a "hardcore gamer" (whatever the fuck you define it as) refuses to play or praise any game that is remotely popular. Even if a very niche and challenging game (like Demon's Souls) becomes popular after the fact, it can no longer be considered a pinnacle... simply because it's now been tainted by icky casuals that also play it...?
>It's just such a childish and contrarian way of thinking, that I can't even believe people like that actually exist

Are you really this petty and stupid? I'm curious.

>>718724081
I actually play these games, you don't, poser faggot.

>>718724036
>Demon's Souls was much more niche and hardcore than Fallout 1 by basically every metric.
Not even close. DeS blows Fallout 1's sales out of the water. Trying to narrow it down to "launch window" before DeS went international doesn't change that.
>It seems you just hate Souls because its series became very popular around a decade later
First off, I like DeS. It's one of From's best games. And it's not a decade later, DeS sales completely destroyed Fallout's sales within a couple years.

>>718724243
>I was talking about in that previous post, Sherlock.
What? Speak English, you fucking monkey. You quoted an argument talking about difficult directly. You have no point, and nowhere to backpedal.
>Still you don't address this:
There's nothing to address. You got pissy that you were wrong about the difficulty thing and now you want to pretend it's purely subjective. It's not. Souls is a casual series. You're a fucking casual.

>>718701443 (OP)
It's a sign of the degradation of online discourse.

>>718724341
>>718724036
Oh and I just checked, DeS killed Fallout in year 1 sales, too. You're wrong on all fronts.

>>718724341
>>718724590
No the fuck it doesn't. Fallout 1 sold 600k+ in a few years, and nowadays it has 2m+ sales just on Steam alone, plus GOG sales as well, so we're talking at least 3m sales. Demon's Souls 2009 has only sold <2m sales lifetime.

Either way, is a 3m seller your example of a niche game? Seriously? Even 600k for a PC game in the 90s is quite a bit....

Just nothing you're saying here makes any sense. Your hatred seems arbitrary and misplaced. Even if you hate games for being popular (which is an absurd reason), you can't even stay consistent on that.

>>718724447
>Souls is a casual series. You're a fucking casual.
read: how DARE you play a game that became popular after the fact!

Do you do this same routine any time anyone mentions Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Half-Life, Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, GTA, MGS, Silent Hill, Fallout, Final Fantasy, Castlevania, Mega Man, DMC, Ninja Gaiden, Yakuza, Katamari, Pikmin, Persona, DOOM, Armored Core, etc?

Did Souls rape your mom and kill your dog or something?

>>718701443 (OP)
i always hated bugs
who the fuck likes bugs?

>>718704058
it sucks on console for me and i haven't felt like pirating it. got it for switch on a sale and regretted it.

>>718724243
You clearly don't if you think Demon's Souls is harder than beating Contra with no deaths.

>>718725171
I've DONE Contra no deaths... in fact I've done six different Contra games with no deaths. It's not even remotely hard compared to Demon's Souls.

You seriously play Contra for like five minutes, go "omg I die in one hit, this is so unfair!!! wah!! wah!!" and then declare it one of the hardest games ever? That's not how it fucking works. Put some fucking time in the game and see how easy it is in comparison.

>>718725439
No wait, 7 actually, forgot about Operation C.

>>718701443 (OP)
obsessed brimstone kys jartycuck fnf OP pedo from lesotho 'p

>>718725003
>No the fuck it doesn't. Fallout 1 sold 600k+ in a few years
What did DeS sell in a few years? Answer that and only that question.

>>718701443 (OP)
its just mid
combat isnt great and gets repetetive fast
exploration starts sucking when you have to run back and forth across the whole map for quests
theres like one interesting character
platforming is ass

>>718725439
I've beaten multiple Contra games. They're harder than Demon's Souls.

>>718725957
We got invaded by reddditors, literally reddditors, to shill the game in full force.
Actual /v/ agrees with your assessment of the game. It wasn't that great then and still isn't now.

>>718725895
Atlus had estimated the sales at 75k (EXTREMELY LOW AND NICHE). It sold 134k in Japan in almost a year (originally it was never intended to leave Japan at all). The latest official number is only over 1m units sold as of 2011.

Regardless, you complain about how Souls got popular after the fact, which thus turn it into casual trash that no self-respecting hardcore gamer would play or praise.

Fallout 1 has sold 3m+ copies today so therefore it's also casual trash that any true hardcore gamer should ignore.

I love Hollow Knight and every character in it, did 60 hours in 2021 and then waited for Silksong.
Started replaying another save before Mantis Lords last night and the movement is horribly sluggish, the combat feels way too "my turn, your turn, my turn, your turn".

>>718726319
you should go back to your r/sub and stay there, never to come back here again.
you can even tell them how you owned the chuds for some updoots.

>>718726038
They absolutely are not and it's not even close. I mean harder per minute of gameplay? Maybe... but they're also only like 15-25 minute games when you know what you're doing, whereas Souls are massive sprawling RPGs with a huge knowledge base to learn and a much, much higher overall difficulty curve.

>>718726238
>Atlus had estimated the sales at 75k (EXTREMELY LOW AND NICHE). It sold 134k in Japan in almost a year (originally it was never intended to leave Japan at all). The latest official number is only over 1m units sold as of 2011.
Try again.
>Fallout 1 has sold 3m+ copies today
You can stop trying to bring up multiple rereleases and bundles now.

>>718717493
>Content rich metroidvanias
lmao
La Mulana mogs

>>718726370
You have mental illness and should stop browsing 4chan

>>718726038
>beaten
there's that completely meaningless word.

Read:
>I spammed save states and rewinds and continues but eventually saw the credits. It was soooo hard (even though it only took me a few hours and in that same timeframe I would have only beat 1 or maybe 2 bosses in Demon's Souls)

>>718701443 (OP)
HK was a pretty good game that obnoxious fags hailed as the second coming of christ. all the backlash the game receives comes from people reacting to the idiots saying its a 12/10 once in a generation masterpiece, when it's actually an 8/10 above average indie metroidvania.
Oh and did i mention those idiots spent years shitting up every single metroidvania thread with their endless sucking off of HK? yes, the game is a good game, no its not flawless, the map is bloated with about three times as many rooms as it needs and the movement isn't very fun. also yes, the fanbase has ruined any online discussion about it by acting like fags.

>>718701443 (OP)
It was never good

>>718704058
I don't agree with the praise for the game's writing. Sure it has lore, but its actually storytelling is pretty boring imo. A lot of it is largely disconnected events and characters that it leaves to a mess of an experience to trying and understand the story and even what if offers isn't that interesting. A lot of it is bogged down by a boring protagonist. And even if the game has an ingame reason for that, that doesn't stop the protagonist being boring and that impacting character interactions.

>>718726038
It will never cease to amaze me how insanely bad zoomers are at even the most basic of retro sidescrollers.

>>718701443 (OP)
I bought the game on sale like half a decade ago but decided I would leave it on my backlog until silksong came out
desu even last month I didn't think it would happen anytime soon
since I've waited so long I'm not sure it will live up to the hype

>>718726393
Yes they fucking are.

>>718701443 (OP)
>be a regular, pure-hearted, fun-loving video gamer
>start Hollow Knight for the first time, pace is a little slow but the atmosphere is charming and the designs are cutesy
>world is made up of cramped caverns and caves, but still fun to traverse with areas like Greenpath and Fungal Wastes
>reach City of Tears
>immediately hit with an atmospheric gut punch of beauty and melancholy, struck by both awe and a sense of loss
>beautiful piano melody, endless rain, grandeur of the ruins of a once great civilization
>reach Mantis Lords not much longer and the gameplay really starts to find a sense of flow with well-designed encounters

And then...
>be the average contrarian, cynical, eternally-unpleased /v/irgin
>start the game
>THIS LOOKS LIKE A FLASH GAME
>WHY CAN'T I DASH PAST THIS WALL ALREADY THIS IS SO SHIT
>WHERE AM I GOING I HATE GETTING LOST I'M A FUCKING RETARD WITH NO SENSE OF WONDER
>CITY OF TEARS MORE LIKE CITY OF QUEERS I BET TRANNIES LIVE HERE
>FUCK THIS GAY FLASH GAME

No, this is not a 'look at me I'm silly' argument. This is just legitimate mentality of an average miserable /v/tard laid bare.

>>718726607
>The map is bloated
Then you're going to hate the fact the Silksong devs wanted to make the game bigger. And I've seen people worried that "bigger" means bloated and honestly it's a reasonable worry.

>>718726824
Okay, but the environment wasn't charming, the areas weren't fun to traverse at all, my reaction to City of Tears was 'great another fucking monotone area', and I found Mantis Lords and Soul Master boring.

>>718726607
>>718726921
>>718726824
>Map is bloated
lmao it's the total opposite
The map is unironically bigger than it should be, specially considering the slow movement speed and emptiness of it.

>>718727158
That's the 'cynical, eternally-unpleased' and 'miserable' attributes I assigned to you at work.

>>718726824
You knocked it out of the park but get ready for angry retards to quote you repeatedly to say nuh uh because it is too relatable for them

>>718717493
>pic
I remember when this was first uploaded...

>>718726607
Spot on, right down to the score. No shame in being an 8/10 game though

It's mostly schizo spam but there are a few genuine retards that got filtered by the map system and have been seething ever since. It's the game's best feature btw.

>>718727310
Wrong. I don't have problems enjoying games.

>>718704058
>And this is coming from someone who’s been gaming since the Atari 2600.
boomers having shit taste? color me surprised.

>>718727238
Most people would consider that bloated. Small but dense (ie Super Metroid) is not bloated.

>>718701443 (OP)
I'm trying to play this and I have hit an impasse. The game doesn't support playstation controllers? Fucking why? What do I need to do to make this work, or is team cherry really going to make me buy a fucking x-box controller to play this?

I'm on Dual Sense Edge btw.

>>718722358
>No Naked women
oh there are plenty of those

>>718727981
Enable Steam Input you retard

If I don’t beat pantheons 1-5 in two weeks after not playing the game for 7 years, I’m not buying Silksong.

>>718726824
TRVKE

>>718728342
There’s a glitch to make you invincible

>>718701443 (OP)
People have realized that it's mediocre as fuck since actually good games released.

>>718704058
>it’s pretty simple - this
AI generated post

>>718729325
Dumb nigger AI would use the longer emdashes

>>718726824
>be a regular, pure-hearted, fun-loving video gamer
>immediately hit with an atmospheric gut punch of beauty and melancholy, struck by both awe and a sense of loss
>beautiful piano melody, endless rain, grandeur of the ruins of a once great civilization
Shut the fuck up.