Thread 718854426

Do you think it's acceptable for a developer to take almost 2 (TWO) decades to develop the next installment in a franchise? Taking into consideration of course that that developer/publisher have 0 financial troubles, and the franchise itself is very popular and lucrative.

>>718854426 (OP)
You're acting as if we didn't get Elder Scrolls Online, Fallout 4, Fallout 76, or Starfield.

>>718854565
>MMO bullshit
>shit
>ultra shit
>shit

>>718854565
>Elder Scrolls Online
Not a BGS game.

>Fallout 76
Complete waste of time, and the type of game that is Fallout 76 is completely against what Fallout is. The only reason "Fallout" brand is attached to that game is because of brand recognition. Terrible game. And I'm not some boomer who hates online games.

>Starfield
This proved that BGS cannot develop decent games without having established lore. Starfield is actually a decent game, but the world and lore are horrific. Capeshit multiverse story? Really? In 20 fucking 23?

They should stick to making Fallout and TES games.

>>718854565
Skyrim to Fallout 4 was 4 years. Fallout 4 to FO76 was 3 years. FO76 to Starfield was 5 years. ESO is irrelevant as it's a different studio.
So, really, they'll be on schedule if they drop Elder Scrolls VI either next year or the year after.
The real problem was announcing it in fucking 2018, and FO76 being a MMO instead of a proper singleplayer RPG and Starfield being shit. So it feels like they've wasted a good decade on nothing appealing.

>>718854426 (OP)
I think the problem we're running to is devs aren't reusing assets as much. Take Owlcat, we're getting another game in the style of Rogue trader, Owlcat said they're redoing all the assets to make them look better. But why? Seriously, they'd easily cut out up to a year of dev time without that shit.

Baldur's Gate 1 + 2 just made more assets in the same style, Bethesda could have done the same for Elder Scrolls or at the very least shit out more dlc in the vein of Dragonborn with new lands.

>>718854964
>This proved that BGS cannot develop decent games
keep coping

At what point is Microsoft going to tell Bethesda to fuck off and allow other devs to make side games like New vegas? Getting one Elder Scrolls every other generation is fucking insane.

>>718854565
>Elder Scrolls Online
shut the fuck up faggot
nobody wants to play TES as an online game

Why doesn't Thomas Howard just re-release Skyrim with new content? I believe the two dlcs came out within the same year right? It can be a live service-esque thing where they continuously add more content until sales drop or TES VI comes out.

Devs owe you NOTHING. Your job is to consoom and gib money.

That argument is dumb. Devs owe you nothing, Authors owe you nothing. The fuck they don't. They'd be nothing without the initial people buying their product.

>>718854426 (OP)
>2 decades for le game
I dont think its acceptable but havent you learned the golden rule with Todd Howard yet?

>>718855216
Like I said, I think mechanically Starfield is probably BGS' best game, but I could not stand Starfield's universe. It's fucking stupid. It brought the game from a 7/10 to a 0/10 for me. I cannot fathom how you have the possibility to establish this new world with conflict and intrigue and Starfield's story is what you come up with. Compare Starfield's world and story to Mass Effect and it becomes laughable.

>>718857223
I didn't touch it so this will judge how shit it is for me. What's going on in Mars and Venus? Any terraforming? Any E.T around?

>>718856809
>golden rule with Todd Howard yet?
What?

>>718854426 (OP)
not if they're licensing out spin-offs in the interim
todd doesnt want to just be the tes and fallout guy but he also refuses to let others play with his toys

>>718857451
Are they though? The mobile games are shit, ESO is dated shit that held itself back for the 360 and PS3, and aside from that we got nothing.

>>718857323
This meme still gets posted plenty doesnt it?

>>718854426 (OP)
Elder Scrolls 6 will be complete ass.

>>718857286
>Mars
You can land there and gather resources, but it's a barren desert with a few bases scattered here and there. I think the main quests makes you visit Mars, but I'm not sure I remember that correctly.

>Venus
I don't think you can land here, but I'm not sure. I don't remember ever landing there.

>E.T
If you consider fauna and creatures ET, then yes, if you consider intelligent aliens ET like in Mass Effect, then no. I think the game hints at an old, advanced civilization, but I don't think the game talks much about that.

This is just what I remember, but the game and universe is so forgettable that I just might be wrong.

So what's the deal anyway? Why does Beth take so long for everything.

>>718857665
think less mobile games and mmos and more new vegases or a less clunky redguard
how many studios who do different genres would absolutely love to make a tes game?

>>718857879
I think if they haven't learned their lessons from their previous releases and open world games that have come out in the last 15 years they genuinely might be fucked as a studio.

>>718858252
That's a matter of Todd allowing it. I believe MCA said Obsidian approached them about doing a TES spinoff like they did for Fallout but got denied.

>>718854426 (OP)
development hasn't actually started yet

>>718857879
How much do you want to bet they're going to try and shove modular base building into ES6 like they did with FO4, F76, and Starfield?

>>718858359
exactly
imagine the elder scrolls: new sheoth
or an uncharted style linear story where the worldscale feels more realistic
or volkihar the masquerade: bloodline
the elder scrolls adventures never did get the eye of argonia
how about a fighting game set in the arena? im sure they could do something interesting gameplay with tes's magic system
but we get nothing because todd doesnt want to cheapen the brand on anything but fucking mobile games

>>718858252
NTA, but one thing I will say regarding BGS, TES, and Fallout is that if another developer makes something in the TES and Fallout series, I will need them to make those games using BGS' engine and tools. I've said this before many times, and I will continue to say it: one of the few good things about BGS' games is the way their games feel. A BGS game is a unique game, when you play one, you immediately know you're playing a BGS game. And there is nothing out there that plays or feels like it. That's a very good thing, especially now when games are losing their identity and it's just this soulless and faceless UE slop everywhere that all plays the same.

I would need something similar to Obsidian and New Vegas back in 2010. Obsidian created a BGS feeling game, but with genuinely good writing and RPG mechanics.

>>718858640
all new shipbuilding
explore 1000(empty) islands!
form a (dysgenic unfuckable) crew!
install 1000 terabytes of paid mods!

>>718854565
God that's fucking grim when you spell it out like that

>>718858768
hell they could even just license the engine for that, no need to risk their brand and they still get a payday

R.I.P. The Elder Scrolls: Legends
I never played it because it looked shit but I did like the card art.

>>718858640
>>718858879
This is basically inevitable. Bethesda no longer has any focus in their games because they insist on shoving in a half-baked version of the sims with crafting into everything they make. This, plus the unjust and pointless firing of Jeremy Soule due to a false accusation from the goblin in pic related mean that TESVI is dead on arrival, and Bethesda is essentially a dead studio.

>>718858252
The entire gaming industry would as a whole benefit if they let more studios touch their precious IPs.
Look at Bubsy. Instead of sitting on the character and doing nothing, they're giving it to a studio that actually has experience in making platformers and it doesn't look like complete dogshit. Look at Obsidian and New Vegas. Look at Zelda getting a necrodancer spinoff and a warriors spinoff. Sonic Mania. TES is the perfect candidate for getting something similar but all we have is a MMORPG and shitty mobile games.

>>718858336
what's more grim is the consumers haven't learned their lesson from the past 15 years of shit game and will line up to buy es6

>>718859354
civil war risk
windhelm noire
cursed amulet of mara full blown dating simulator disguised as a run of the mill coomer VN

they have a whole fleshed out world just begging for its stories to be told its like the modern dungeons and dragons

>>718859580
any port in a storm
any game in a quality content drought

>>718854426 (OP)
Microsoft should have split Bethesda up into a fallout studio and an elder scrolls studio.

>>718859839
which one would be making starfield?

>>718859923
no one cause they were all fired

They can't possibly deliver something that people would be happy with

>>718860204
You know what's crazy, is that they easily could, they just won't. Players actually want LESS. Players are begging BGS to remove pointless time wasters like settlement crafting, NPC management, resource gathering, ship building, and procedurally generated content in favor of giving them a focused game that specializes in immersion, exploration, choices and adventure. But BGS is too chickenshit to remove any system they introduced in a previous game because of the sunk cost fallacy, and the fact that removing systems would probably piss off the braindead tranny who built them.

>>718860204
Which is why they should license the IP out so that someone who can, can.

>>718854426 (OP)
>LET
>TODD
>COOK

>>718854972
Bethesda didn't make Fallout 76. So there was an 8yr gap between FO4 and Starfield

>>718860848
not until the health inspector is done with his dissertation on starfield

>>718859580
Yes, because there are zero alternatives to Bethesda's games unfortunately.

>>718860204
>>718860759
Literally all they need to do is make a good open world with decent (not even good, decent) combat, exploration that rewards the player, and core systems that are fun and feel worthwhile to engage with. But I have a feeling deep down in my bones they're not going to do this and instead overload the game with extra features nobody asked for while simplifying the core aspects that people actually like about TES even further.

>>718860204
In a perfect world they would release a game that looks and plays exactly like Morrowind but is 20000x the scale due to the sheer manpower behind the project. But this is not a perfect world.

>>718861491
with morrowinds standards and modern harddrives a 100gb morrowind2 would only be 74 times as big

>>718861668
>only be 74 times as big
that should be big enough to cover all of Tamriel

>>718861668
I'll take it.

>>718860759
>>718861442
This plus give it a strong art direction that aids in immersion. What's funny is that it'd actually be EASY for them to make a game that people enjoyed, but they're going to do something fucking retarded just like they have with every game since Skyrim and arguably including it.

>>718861775
arena covered all tamriel
with arenas standards a 100gb install could be 4000arenas

>TES6 is going to be a failure
Did you all forget Bethesda sold the same old janky ass Oblivion with a UE5 coat of paint only four months ago? The absolute bare minimum of the TES gameplay loop is required to make people happy.

>>718862107
Oblivion actually had Sony so spooked that it was a 360 exclusive that they were funding studios left and right to make medieval fantasy RPGs of their own.

>>718862107
I got it "free" with game pass became arena champion in 5 hours and uninstalled lol I already played the shit out of that game when I was in high school
it barely even attracted many new fans to it because it's not as braindead as skyrim

>>718862323
>it barely even attracted many new fans to it because it's
a 100gb graphical mod
imagine if BGS just decided to go back to oblvion and make a 100gb expansion instead of a new game

>>718854964
>Starfield is actually a decent game

>>718854426 (OP)
I lost all interest in this series after skyrim. I legitimately don't get how would anyone give a fuck or have any hope or expectation for another TES

>>718854964
> Bethesda can not develop games without having established lore.

Who else developed TES besides Bethesda?

>>718862664
if you never cared about BGS games and just play it to laugh at how badly this big expensive game is it's a comedic masterpiece
suddenly shitty companions are clever parodies and vast empty planets are the negative space drawing a big haha fuck you at the players who cared

>>718862878
depends which bethesda we're talking about

>>718862971
Very true.

>>718862971
So other than the games they developed without existing lore they haven't developed a game without existing lore?

Makes sense when you don't think about it.

>>718863185
They did, it was Starfield.

>>718854565
>Elder Scrolls Online, Fallout 4, Fallout 76, or Starfield.
literally all shit, impressive

>>718862746
Why do people hate Skyrim so much?

>>718863318
They developed TES as well. What existing lore existed before Bethesda developed the game?

Your stupid point was stupid.

>>718857223
I haven't played it but I agree that the setting itself is what's keeping me from it. It looks boring as fuck. I saw an article while scrolling through what my phone spits at me while shitting and it was about some Star Wars overhaul modlist. It looked neat, but then I realized - 'I'm not gonna fucking buy starfield just for a goddamn modlist'

>>718863505
I wasn't that anon, but I do agree with you.

>>718863467
Here it just a Morrowindfan mad Skyrim is beloved and Morrowind largely forgotten.
If he is here he will drop an info graphic about one of his boogeyman and then start samefagging about how awful they are.

>>718863505
Bethesda Softworks =/= Bethesda Game Studios

>>718863696
I like Morrowind and I definitely consider it a better RPG than Skyrim but I still enjoy Skyrim for what it is. I replay Morrowind Oblivion and Skyrim with regularity.
I'm doing a bound spear levitate high elf on Morrowind rn :DD

>>718863467
Outside of visuals it was largely a step down from Oblivion which was itself a step down from Morrowind. Game feels too streamlined. Also the writing's pretty bad. All that being said I don't hate it but it's a game I end up playing for like 10 hours and then have this realization that I'm really not having much fun.

>>718863574
Here's the thing: I think the premise of the game is something that could've been quite intriguing and interesting. Starfield hints at this ancient, advanced civilization that created these unknown artifacts scattered throughout space. I think they could've made the first game this slow burner that is empty on purpose to set up this new franchise and new world. Something similar to how Mass Effect starts out small but then explodes into something much bigger. Starfield is literally fucking capeshit multiverse. It's embarrassing how someone could write this shit and think it's okay. Think this is cool or something. It's fucking retarded.

>>718863763
So you are just trolling then.

>>718863843
Morrowind was still trying to be an updated version of a TTRPG so I agree there.
They moved to the superior ARPG model post Morrowind. We are all better off for it.

>>718854426 (OP)
They've been working on other stuff. Why is a developer obliged to keep churning out sequels for the same franchise endlessly? You people really just beg for nothing original then complain that the industry is full of slop.

>>718854426 (OP)
But anon, we got such unique gaming experiences as The Elder Scrolls Blades™ and The Elder Scrolls Castles™ out of it!

>>718865772
i wish the card game was good

>>718854565
We might as well not have gotten them, or rather it would've been better had we not had them and had we gotten TES6 in the late 2010s instead

>>718863574
You dodged a bullet since the engine is trash

>>718854964
>This proved that BGS cannot develop decent games without having established lore
Starfield would still be awful procgen slop with copypasted dungeons even with a good setting
>Starfield is actually a decent game
Jesus fucking Christ anon

>>718854426 (OP)
idk but I hope it takes place in hammerfell and high rock and there are pyramids you can loot in the Alik'r desert and you can join the knightly orders of the bretons :3

>>718860923
Todd's team absolutely worked on F76 and you should do your own research one of these days instead of blindly trusting Internet Historian's video

>>718859839
Bethesda's Fallout sucks major balls thoughever

>>718869325
You having awful taste is a cross you , and you alone, have to bear.

>>718854875
saarfield is ultrashit, bro

>>718855147
That's what theoretically the Beyond Skyrim people are doing, they're just taking 15 fucking years to do so and being so abysmally bad at communicating that even reddit is turning against them. But yes, just like New Vegas is beloved despite looking like and being made out of 80% of Fallout 3 assets, had Bethesda known just how fucking big Skyrim would become they themselves could've just released DLC after DLC for a straight decade, and people would've bought them. Imagine getting an official Dragonborn-sized expansion every year, instead they wasted time with Fallout 4 and fucking Starfield and pissed away all good will the idea of Creations could've remotely had by making shit ones for years.

>>718869920
I am so sorry for your unfathomable bad taste, fren

>>718867140
>:3

>>718854426 (OP)
It’s never happening

>>718855945
>"I believe the two dlcs came out within the same year right?"
Skyrim's output is wild compared with what you get nowadays
>game announced on December 2010
>first trailer released on February 2011 (2 months later)
>game released on November 2011 (9 months later)
>Dawnguard released on 26 June 2012 (7 months later)
>Hearthfire released on 4 September 2012 (3 months later)
>Dragonborn released on 4 December 2012 (3 months later)
Meanwhile, in bizarro world:
>TES VI announced on June 2016
>first (and only) trailer released on June 2018 (2 years later)
>...
>...
>...
>you are now here

>>718854964
Saar!!!

>>718860204
why? it's not that hard
>fire browns and dei
>get jeremy soule out of his basement
>blindfold todd and make him point on the tamriel map
>throw some shit on together on the good ol engine
>roll out modding tools with release
and you got yourself a goty

>>718860204
Make a game for straight white people that’s at bare minimum, a fun baseline to make mods for.

>>718871347
>DNF became Duke Nukem Fornever "when it's done" 4 years after the announcement
>actually comes out 14 years after being rebooted and scrapped 6 times
>TESVI is at least another 5 years from release

>>718858252
I've said it before and I'll say it again, they should've let some side studio make an Adventures/Redguard sequel as a discount Uncharted clone. Ten to fitfteen hours, a bunch of pulpy action climbing around and exploring parts and historical locations in Tamriel you'd never ever see in a mainline game, boom. Instead we get fucking Legends and Castles and shit.
https://youtu.be/QX08e065o54?t=940

>>718857223
>mechanically Starfield is probably BGS' best game
Then you have zero fucking clue about game mechanics.
It literally had no gameplay. None. It was all about the numbers in your gun and the numbers in the enemy armor. No tactics, no dodging, no thinking. Just bookkeeping.

>it was le good le mechanically!
Shut the fuck up and start actually playing videogames. Get a clue.

>>718871056
>even reddit is turning against them
That;s cause most of the times aside from Cyrodiil are a mess. The mods of that sub remove the majority of "leaks" but I will say that the Morrowind and Illiac Bay teams are just a hodgepodge of gay fan fic artists and a couple modelers but nobody to implement.

>>718858640
Hearthfire was basically a predecessor to Fallout 4's settlement building, so yeah. If TES6 really does take place in Hammerfell/the Iliac Bay, don't be surprised if there's (sea)ship building mechanics like Starfield's (space)ship building mechanics

>>718871056
>Roscrea
It's funny people thought that was gonna be done 5 years ago. Same with Atmora but the team keeps restarting.

>>718861668
You mean it'd have... 74 times the detail?

>>718862746
But Skyrim was better than Oblivion?

>>718863467
Their favorite e-celeb told them to

>>718854565
>Fallout 4
Mainline Elder Scrolls is more popular than mainline Fallout by a huge margin. Bethesda is retarded for taking more than a decade to release a new Elder Scrolls while prioritizing Fallout instead.

>>718872068
I would not be surprised if Todd finds a way to run out the clock with whatever deal he has with m$ without releasing it to avoid tanking his legacy and/or not meeting targets for his golden parachute, after which he retires and it never releases at all and the mainline series is dead and m$ just whores out the license for a bunch of spin offs

>>718872325
>>718872487
Any day now

>>718854565
>dogshit,dogshit,dogshit,dogshit

>>718854565
So we'd have Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 5 by now if they didn't waste their time with 76 and Shartfield.

>>718863467
why do people that have only played one videogame, and have terminally poor taste, get so defensive over their one videogame, and assume anyone that disregards it must be a seething stew of fury, rather than just someone with taste matter-of-factly saying they didn't care for an objectively garbage, shallow, boring product
anyways skyrimslobs killing themselves would be massively better for the industry because bethesda would be out of business essentially overnight, but one can only dream

>>718872976
>whores out the license for a bunch of spin offs
I don't think spin offs are still a thing in the industry at all. Companies would rather not do anything at all with an IP than make a cheaper installment. Maybe a f2p mobile collectathon is in the cards but spin offs don't have a home on consoles anymore.

>>718873639
Skyrim: civil war sneed 2 by obsidian in 2037
Just imagine it

>>718873447
TLDR

>>718873639
it'd be less a spin-off and more like the (cancelled?) fable game they're having the forza people make after lionhead died

>>718854565
>Not a single player RPG
>Not an Elder Scrolls game
>Not an Elder Scrolls game
>Not an Elder Scrolls game

>>718874752
>>Not an Elder Scrolls game
>>Not an Elder Scrolls game
>>Not an Elder Scrolls game
they are if you headcanon hard enough

Skyrim belongs to the qtps

>>718858232
They made the mistake of making Starfield and half of the team is still trying to fix it. If they had made ES VI it would've been out by now and Fallout 6 would be in development for two years now and be out by 2027-2028. But because they went with Starfield ES VI is at minimum 2+ years away and Fallout 6 around 2035-2037. The Fallout TV show would be long done, missing out on the hype on releasing a new Fallout game. Bethesda bet on the wrong horse with Starfield.

>>718854426 (OP)
No lmao

>>718871056
>pissed away all good will the idea of Creations could've remotely had by making shit ones for years
And frustratingly enough, one of the very few good ones that exist is PlayStation exclusive for some bizarre reason so nobody knows about it and it's hardly been played

>>718870660
Nothing can compare with Fallout 76. At least Starfield was a brand new IP that anyone with a brain could see that it was going to be shit, meanwhile Fallout 76 buried Fallout, there's no coming back from that

why are you excited for it
same company brought us fallout 4, fallout 76, and starfield

>>718873101
Fallout The Frontier wasn't even that bad and most of its hate was manufactured. If they had a release for New North they should have fucking made it live instead of 6 more years of nothing. Better a bad released game with some good things than a game that doesn't exist

>>718877672
>Fallout The Frontier wasn't even that bad
lol
>Better a bad released game with some good
lmao even

>>718874309
Maybe i'm being pedantic or using an outdated definition of "spin off" but to me that would be like the Revelations or Chronicles games of the Resident Evil series. A smaller game with different mechanics that is meant to keep the fanbase happy while the proper sequel is still in development. And i don't see that happening with either Fallout nor Elder Scrolls. Especially since they already have ESO and F76.

>>718873447
Yeah this guy's definitely watched a lot of video essays LMAO

>>718878201
You’re naive, did you think you’d be playing hl3 a decade ago too?

>>718854565
all trash more people play skyrim than those

>>718855216
>le ebin journo scores
You're beyond retarded. Can't wait for the inevitable ad populam argument.

>>718854426 (OP)
The problem is that they announced the game about 6 years before it started full development

>>718880842
>>718794893

Do Ohmes Khajiit also have barbed cocks?

>>718854426 (OP)
What makes you think you can tell them what they have to do? If they want to waste two decades on making a game then they are free to do so

>>718854426 (OP)
It is, this is their GTA VI

>>718861442
They don't even need good combat
Morrowind combat is ass without mods to make NPCs more intelligent (no this isn't whining about Morrowind's to hit chance combat. I actually like the system rewarding you for using weapons you're skilled st
Oblivion combat is ass because the weapons are floaty and have no impact
Skyrim combat is ass because the weapons/movement is slow as shit and have no impact
But they're fine because TES games have always been a masterclass of adventure in an immersive world that takes itself relatively seriously
People still discuss the Nerevarine prophecy and stuff like "is Dagoth Ur really the original person or is he a construction of the heart of Lorkhan", the death of Vivec and the red year
People still reference Oblivion's outstanding guild and side questlines and continue loving places like the painted world and requirements to join guilds. (I'm even of the controversial opinion that Oblivion's guild content completely destroys Morrowind's from a questing perspective because Morrowind guilds are fucking boring as shit fetch quests)
People still debate Imperials vs Stormcloaks and things like killing Paarthurnax today, the towers of the world and whether the Altmer can succeed even now
TES has cemented itself as one of the biggest fantasy names in the world and it hasn't even released a game since 2011. If they went out and allowed fan/third party works it'd unironically likely end up rivaling the likes of Sanderson or Rothfuss

>>718883036
That post literally said they don't even need good combat

>>718854426 (OP)
at this point it's just a name attached to a franchise. I have negative expectations for te6. really a shame how far the series has fallen.

>>718854426 (OP)
On one hand, waiting 18~ years for the next game is ridiculous. On the other, it releasing sooner would've probably meant it would've had the same huge issues that Fallout 4 and Fallout: Space Edition had. If those games coming first means there's a 3% chance of TRS VI learning from it I'll take it.