Thread 718876530

Struggling to maintain 60fps with a 5080 at 4k medium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bqs015n73g

UE5 is a disaster for games

vidya programmers need to be put through 8 years of schooling, like doctors, before they're allowed to work on a AAA project.
oops oh wait for some reason it costs money to learn a skill that turns you into a productive worker, even though by being a worker you're just making money for your boss. weird society

>>718876530 (OP)
Unreal jeets our response?

why do devs keep using UE5 if everyone, including them, hate it?

>>718876530 (OP)
Kill this fucking engine already.

>>718876530 (OP)
It runs at upscaled 4k on base ps5 at around the same frame rate as that 5080. Wow.

unless you're brute forcing it with 5090/5080/4090 its virtually mandatory to use upscaling w/ frame generation either that or you suck it and accept shitty frames and medium graphics

I hate Unreal so much

>>718877159
sunk cost fallacy or something I guess

>>718877159
Because It's the most popular engine that every game dev learns at school, and it's expensive to teach new devs a different engine

>inb4 poorfag
The reason why devs use unreal engine in the first placr is literally because they cant afford to invest /making their own in house engine and unreal is the most cheaper alternative for that in order to make their generic slop and get more money from it
So if there's some soiboy ragebaiter pisscord member said 'you are a poorfag for not being able to run unreal engine games' no, nigger, your devs are literally the poorfag ones in here for not being able to make their own engine

>>718877159
Corporate decision making. Epic contacts big publishers and offers discounts to their licensing. This licensing is only valid for the newest thing. They are then locked into that contract and are forced to use UE5.

This is not conjecture, but publicly available knowledge ever since the Tim Sweeny v Apple lawsuit, where emails between Epic and Sony leaked.

Didn't run at 60fps on the ps2 either.

Why can't they use the engine they already made for MGSV but with 4k textures

ue5 is the gift thats keeps on giving

>>718878553
Konami fired most of their devs so the new hires only know UE.

>>718877825
>upscaled 4k on base ps5 at around the same frame rate
...at 720p internally, yeah

>let Kojima make fox engine
>fire Kojima
>never use fox engine again

>>718879090
So what if the image comes out to 4k?

>>718878547
kek

>>718876585
Don't blame UE5. Blame the devs for using the defaults.

>>718877159
easier to contract people for the low term duration of the project instead of keeping them like before because teaching an engine was a headache.

>>718879731
nah, blame both

>>718877159
>doesn't require coding your own engine (ginormous expense)
>save on qualified labor since engines can be used by people who can barely use excel
>off-the-shelf solution and "industry-standard tools," so there's no need to keep the original team around. as a bonus, you can always outsource to 3rd worlders in india for peanuts
>ports are a cinch since the middleware companies take care of porting the toolchain to get things up and running

Videogames need to die, the current crash isn't enough.

>>718876530 (OP)
Lower foliage quality

>>718877159
Because you can get shitty programmers and pay them lower wages.

>>718880124
>t. envious nodev incel who will never ever achieve anything of importance in his life

>>718876530 (OP)
>UE5
No shit

>>718877825
bruh, PS5 is upscaled from like 720p with lower graphics settings. It is playing the game at 4x less demanding settings, and you still have drops into the 30s fps. it isn't comparable, the 5080 is offering a MUCH more premium experience.

>>718880248
>t. epic games dev
fix your engine

>>718879671
a pc could also upscale you retard

>>718877825
Base pisstation is 720p dumb dumb.

UE5 suttering is just so bad. How are Epic engineers happy with this engine?

>>718880331
Stop being poor.

>>718880397
no you

>>718880248
blaming both is the correct choice since it's not only the game dev fault for making some shit bad but also the engine devs
they both cut corners and make products in this tool relying on a crutch to work

>>718877159
Devs don't grow emotional preferences for game engines.

>>718877159
looks good and runs well if you optimize it
unfortunately for whatever fucking reason nobody can do what a random retard on nexusmods can do
probably has something to do with not paying devs enough or incompetent management

I hope atlus use EU4 for persona 4 remake instead of eu5

>>718879210
I believe it was some assblasted jap suit who noticed how much money went on the engine development and decided to fire Kojima and destroy the entire AAA department.

>>718880626
europe 4 and europe 5? I had no idea there even was europe 2 and 4!

>>718877825
PC hardware has been a scam for 15 years.

>>718877159
This industry is all about firing your entire development team as soon as the game is done. There's no continuity, no knowledge that is built up and transferred to future generations of developers. So it's absolutely essential you work with an engine that every single game developer knows how to use without needing any training. Any resources invested, any training period is a waste because you're just going to fire that guy as soon as the game is done.

>>718877159
Easy to churn through low wage Indians ever few years if they're all games are using the same programming language.

4090bros...is it over for us?

>>718876530 (OP)
I don't get it, I played Stalker 2, a game with a huge open world, that uses shitty UE5.0, and it ran definitely better, and probably even looks on medium settings

>>718876530 (OP)
The 5080 is 1440p card

>>718876530 (OP)
Medium settings look great.
Also,
>native
So what is the real performance like? You know, with DLSS? No one plays games at "native" resolution so I don't see the point you're making here.

>>718880369
How does that even happen in a game like this? This has the structure of a literal PS2 game

>>718880946
At this point the motherfucker CryEngine runs better than UE5

>>718880369
probably by collecting their paycheck

>>718876530 (OP)
Stop trying to play at 4k you dumb bitch. 1080p not good enough for you? We should force you to play at 640x800

>>718881164
>buying a 5080 for 1080p
we should kill you with hammers

>>718880946
No way anon Stalker 2 ran like shit and many people complained it ran like shit. When I played it it stuttered and crash pretty frequent. Now I say, sometimes people just don't face performance issues that others do, but it's not a one person issue

>>718881085
Shaders, most likely. UE5 just can't deal with them. It's clearly an engine built for consoles, because games on consoles don't need to compile anything.

>>718876530 (OP)
now post the performance for 1440p max settings
i dare you
i FUCKING dare you piece of shit

>>718881330
ok

>>718881453
DELETE THIS

memes asides it doesn't change the facts; It looks like like a PS3 game that runs like absolute shit. It's not even some open-world game. How could anyone this this is acceptable?

>>718881503
You are over estimating how good PS3 games look, but yeah the performance is not good

>>718876530 (OP)
>click on video
>game runs at a silky smooth 60 fps
OP = fag

>>718876530 (OP)
It also looks like shit

>>718881503
because it actually looks good?

>>718881574
>1080p
what year is it?

>>718881574
>1080p
who the fuck plays below 1440p

>>718876530 (OP)
Is this path traced? What is so heavy in these scenes?

>>718881621
>>718881686
It is full high definition. Anything beyond that is a meme and a waste of resources.

>>718881574
> 50fps 1% low
Come one, now.

>>718876530 (OP)
turn on dlss. Frames will go brrrrrrrrrrrr.

>>718881503
to this day im still amazed how fucking good god of war 3 looked on ps3, it was almost magic

>>718881574
>50 dip at 1080p
its so over it never even began, the amount of over hasn't ever been seen before oh no no no what can we do about this?

>>718881775
>1080p looks good
>the human eye can't even see beyond 30fps

>>718881778
For 1% lows 50 fps is good when you have a 60 fps target. You absolutely won't notice the drops if you're using a G-Sync of Freesync display.

How is it even possible that this is more demanding than the open world ue5 trash? Actually how? The areas are tiny in mgs3

>>718881580
>poorfags dont know that youtube compression algorithm kills all detail and smash the quality
UE 5 games do look good if you are not poor and can run them and 50 fps is perfectly playable for most type of games the only real criticism you can have towards it is stutter and shader compilation while traversing cells

>>718881807
you sure about that?

>>718881251
It runs fine now, on medium setting on rtx3060, not even TI, some areas are heavier than others, but this should be something like dozens of zombies. I doubt there was any similar scenario in MGS3

3D graphics were a mistake, unironically.

Pure 2D (none of that 2.5D shit) pixel art was peak.

>>718877159
No company wants to spend money training workers.

>>718882192
> ultra settings

I said turn on DLSS, not turn it to Ultra settings!!

>>718881987
art direction looks like shit, all UE5 remasters look soulless just like NG2

>>718882312
>poorfag coping
dont care , didnt ask

>>718876530 (OP)
Damn that looks like shit

>>718882226
>No company wants to spend money training workers.

We are truely living in shit times. Back in my grand parent's days... they would train you for free and then promote you.

Nowadays... there ain't no training. You either know the shit or git gud fast.... or you fired. Companies end up hiring half ass people who lie about knowing the stuff. And that's mostly overseas indians.

>>718882220
it’s the studios, i played resident evil 4 remake last year and was having 0 issues plating at high, while on expedition 33 my gpu was dying and reaching 90° on medium, it somewhat old(it a 5700xt) but the difference shouldn’t be that ridiculous.

>>718881705
There's no way that's path traced and still looks so bad

GOD I FUCKING HATE LUMEN. IT'S SO FUCKING UGLY. THE SHADOWS LOOK WORSE THAN BAKED LIGHTING. THE CONTRAST SUCKS. IT GHOSTS FUCKING EVERYWHERE EGREGIOUSLY. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH LUMEN SUCKS SO MUCH FUCKING DICK WHY DO THEY KEEP USING IT

>>718881274
UE5 games run nearly equally as shitty on consoles. It's the engine.

>>718876530 (OP)
>Why does my 1440p card cant run the game at 4k
pathetic

>>718878293
You called it:
>>718880397
>>718881987

>>718877159
I don't get it either, they have the Gaull to say game development costs more and yet they use a cheap ass engine like Unreal, which is made of paperclips and ash while charging 90$

>>718882827
nice try jeet

>>718882827
>$1200 for a 1440p gpu

>>718877159
Because it is easy to use. It's a great tool but most devs only do the bare minimum with it.

>>718876530 (OP)
>at 4k
meme resolution

>UE5
>takes 8h to beat the game
>80€ on Steam
>Denuvo
>2 day early access for preorders

yep its gaming time

>>718883112
Yes, 80 class card have not been able to run 4k titles natively since the 1080. You can always upscale from 1440p to 4k using DLSS and get 60 fps

>>718876530 (OP)
>4k
for what fucking purpose?

what engine will GTA 6 use?
im scared

>>718876585
>>718877159
>konami killed fox engine, which could run on taters because it cost them too much money
>paid for ue5 and now cant get anything to work

>>718876780
>>718878249
>gamedev
>school
I actually tried doing this and dropped out, my parents demanded I go to uni so I went for that, only every single class for the first year was:
>durr heres how to say hello world
>durr heres how to make a square in maya
>durr heres how to use a color wheel
I asked the teachers when the fuck we'd do something I didnt learn in third grade and was told:
>durr we need to make this easy on everyone

I fucking quit. They didnt allow you to "Test out" of classes and I spent months feeling like a fucking toddler and just begging my teachers to let me do something more complicated, the end of semester project for maya was a fucking 12 frame 3d animation, it was a fucking embarrassment.
So every single faggot in gamedev right now in america spent at least 1/4th of their time learning literally nothing of value and just stewing in 101 slop that should have been covered in the first week.

Its the vidya equivalent to heading off to uni to find they make you do a year of basic math, or have you read the fucking hungry caterpillar.

>>718881987
>50 fps is playable

i hate consolefaggots so fucking much

>>718883197
It does not have denuvo

>>718883263
The last time I bought an 80 class card it cost $600 MSRP and it played games natively at max settings for 6 years. I'm not buying your 5080, shill.

>>718883263
>and get 60 fps
Settling for just 60fps with a 5080 WITH upscaling? Grim, and I thought console players had it bad.

>80€

LMAO since when do fucking PC games cost 80 now?

we get console framerates and console prices now, what a time to be a PC gaymer

>UE5
no buy, plus I played this game 20 years ago already make something new

>>718883435
>poorfag cant understand inflation
600 from that time is the equivalent of the $999 that the 5080 cost https://www.newegg.com/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-5080-solid-core-geforce-rtx-5080-16gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814500608

It also can run everything at 1440p maxed on native outside of pathtrace titles and DLAA as is just a more intensive form of anti-aliasing even then in this game it barely drops to 55

>>718877159
competency crisis

>>718883573
the game is locked at 60 fps like elden ring, if you have a 40 class or 50 class you can enable smooth motion to get to 120 though but it will not reduce input lag

Seems like the more trees there are the more fucked it is

>>718876530 (OP)
UE5 will kill this industry forever

>>718883884
this is Timmy's revenge because you made fun of his Epic game store

>>718876530 (OP)
>poorfag seethe thread
Don't play ue5 games on a straight Epic/Ultra preset. Problem solved. Also no plays games without DLSS anymore
>>718877825
Game also uses settings lower than pc low and 720p on ps5 so I don't understand what you even are trying to point out?

>>718876530 (OP)
>shoots enemy
>dust cloud comes from them
FUCKING WHYYYYYYY

>>718883665
>600 from that time is the equivalent of the $999
Retard
>It also can run everything at 1440p maxed on native outside of pathtrace titles and DLAA
Yea so could the last x80 I owned. I'm not paying $1,000 just to be able to hit 60 again on the same resolution I've been using. When I buy an upgrade I expect a full-fat upgrade. Resolution bump and refresh rate bump. I would get neither from buying a 5080.

The performance gain:performance requirement ratio from games has completely skewed itself. The relative performance you're gaining gen to gen has been eliminated over the last few generations because we're still in the transition phase for RT/PT where it generally looks worse than exquisite baked lighting but runs 10x worse. I won't blame Nvidia or devs solely, but the 5080 is not a card worth 1,000. The only way it's "worth" it is if you still have a 1080.

>>718884153
>Game also uses settings lower than pc low
no it doesn't. It uses a mix of medium/high just like every game. Low on PC is ultra potato mode. It completely disables the GI/shadows and many other things. It looks horrendous and doesn't run much better.

>>718884153
>poorfag
>5080

fuck of jeet

>>718877159
Epic funds a lot of courses and Unreal Engine is taught in 99% of universities.

if you want sub-contracting/outsourcing to be an option, you HAVE to use UE5, since everyone knows how to work with it.

>>718883398
That's every college course. They make you go through 4 years and the first 3 are wasting your time to get more of your money with only the last year being anything related to what you wanted to go there for.

>>718883435
If you bought a $550 gpu today (the 5070) you could play everything at max settings at 1080p and 1440p for the next 6 years, you just have to use dlss (which looks better than native with TAA anyways)

>>718876530 (OP)
The 5080 is not a 4K card, it's a 1440p card. I know, because I bought one for 1440p.

>>718881085
The devs are probably retards who don't cull anything, use needlessly high poly models, use nanite, use lumen and GI, and have every physics objective always awake.

>>718884319
>If you bought a $550 gpu today (the 5070) you could play everything at max settings at 1080p and 1440p for the next 6 years
You know the game this very thread is about disproves that? Do I really need to bother listing 10 more examples to bore this into your thick skull?

>>718876585
What a thrill...
With nanite and darkness through the night...
What a thrill.
I'm searching for optimization and I'll not buy into your game.
What a fear in my heart
But you're not optimized!

I give my money, not for graphics, but for optimizations (QUAKE ENGINE)
In my time, there'll be no good engines
Crime, it's the way my GPU fries to you (UNREAL ENGINE)
I'm still in a dream, CARMACK COME BACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.

>>718884271
>uses a mix of medium/high just like every game
Mix of medium/low/lower than low + maxed textures is basically the standard for ue5 games in their 60fps on ps5.
>>718884281
5080 isn't a poorfag gpu, I'm saying that the people who make these threads and have a melty about ue5/rt/DLSS are universally poorfags. I'm sorry that you can't afford an upgrade from your 1660 or 480, but that does not give you the right to push your faggot lifestyle on every other anon.
The fucked up thing is that ue5 games are poorfag friendly on the gpu, it's the cpu performance and stuttering that sucks (and is more or less fixed on newer versions)

>>718884215
>I won't blame Nvidia or devs solely
You should. The way ray tracing runs, the devs can always tune up the amount of rays and light bounces to dial the performance down even as gpus get stronger. You can set ray tracing to settings that would cripple a 5090 to sub 10 fps at 1080p. So we'll never see a good version of this shit until a completely different backend that actually can run efficiently gets made.

>>718877159
It's the only AAA middleware engine. Blame Palmer Luckey charming Carmack into chasing the VR dragon instead of doing Quake/Doom engines.

>>718884556
>i'm not saying 5080 owners are poorfags
>but I am saying people who can't run this game well, including 5080 owners, are poorfags that don't know what they're talking about
I pity you, retard

>>718884302
>i was right about college
too bad that didnt get me anything.

>>718884481
DLSS you fat crazy whore
5070 in 2025 would give you better performance than a 1080ti in 2017, which is insane because games actually scale upwards visually now.
>>718884780
Well go buy a 5090 then poorfag. It's literally impossible to play video games otherwise apparently
Not like gooks were ever known for competent pc releases.

>>718881574
>1080p 60fps looking at a wall with drops to 50fps

>>718876530 (OP)
How does resolution even work? Does a 1080p image upscaled to 4k mean that it looks like its 4k? Obviously not as good as native, but does it have 4k looks? Or is it just 1080p stretched to fit a 4k display?

>>718885020
What GPU do you own?

>>718880248
>anon doesn't incompetently develop videogames, therefore there are no other aspects of human existence that can be considered important, nor an achievement that he can succeed at.

>>718876530 (OP)
I swear to god I'm watching the devolution of software optimization happen right in front of my eyes lol.

>>718879919
It's so fucking sad that everything tech related is now temporary workers and you just have to be hoping around jobs to earn some wage, I thank God that the company I'm working at always tries to relocate their workers instead of firing them.

so is this gonna leak early on pc or what

>>718881574
>5080 has drops 50fps
Insane how far devs have fallen
>>718884556
>If you're bothered that your 5080 can't maintain steady 60fps then you're a poorfag
Mind blowingly retarded post

>>718876530 (OP)
Performance can be fixed but WHY does every ue5 game look like it's made out of plastic with ungodly amounts of fog

>buy 80 class GPU
>it can't hit the same resolution and framerate targets that a console achieved a generation ago
>some indian marketer with a gtx 1650 tells you to stop being a poorfag

>>718883638
The "bonus" is that these $80 games clearly sell terribly which is why they are all 35-50% off in literally three weeks to a month after release. I don't think I have seen a single $80 dollar game maintain its price for more than a few weeks (outside of CoD), when you compare to stuff like Baldur's game which took like a year to get a 10% discount, but started at $60. It's hilarious how they undermine themselves.

>>718885230
A 750ti :)
>>718885473
>NOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE ME OPEN A SETTINGS MENU
>IM A MEMBER OF THE PCMASTER RACE I SHOULD BE PLAYING EVERY GAME AT 6 GORILLION FPS 4800P, HOW IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME?

>>718876585
>>718876530 (OP)
literally just stop being poor

>>718884153
>Pay over 1 thousand dollars to play games at 1440p otherwise you won't get stable 60 fps

>>718885782
I said $80 here because I'm stupid, I meant $100+ ones.

>>718876530 (OP)
>4k with DLAA
>wow this isn't running well
No shit, modern games expect upscaling

>>718885924
Your refusal to answer the question sincerely shows me you know why I asked that question. Better luck next time, coping poorfag

why is there so much cope in this thread? A 1000 dollars GPU should be able to get a locked 60fps in a linear game at 4k with MEDIUM settings. You're all gaslighting yourself into thinking this is normal.

>>718884341
Not even a 5090 is a 4k card by today's standards.

Remember the days when a simple office computer from the mid 2000's could run Halo, WC3 and Halo 2?

>>718886130
we are not, it just one guy shitposting

>>718886130
4080 could not do it, 3080 could not do it
2080 could not do it, 4k is not meant for 80 class gpus

>>718886130
For real. A ps5 is getting close to 60 in that game at probably the same settings or higher at upscaled 4k.

>>718886137
And that's why I didn't get a 5090. No point since it can't really do 4K.

>>718878537
>Corporate decision making. Epic contacts big publishers and offers discounts to their licensing. This licensing is only valid for the newest thing. They are then locked into that contract and are forced to use UE5.
Aren't lawyers supposed to catch these sort of things and warn publishers?

>>718885937
>>718886035
The performance targets you want have literally never been obtainable, and never ever will be.
Cope more retards
>>718886035
>Your refusal to answer the question sincerely
Why would I? When I answer 5090 you'll make it about how I'm a good goy or shill or something, anything else you just reverse my poorfag insults.
>>718886137
And it shouldn't be if we're discussing native. We have dlss and framegen now, the target should be 1080p 60fps internally on a card of that class for ultra settings.
Imagine a world where every new release is path traced. It could be reality if amd niggers and poorfags stopped complaining

>ue5 makes poorfags seethe
The return of the glorious pc master race. Peasants with shit cards need not apply.

>>718886838
>5090
Joke card only bought by retards that refused to buy a 4090.

I'M STILLL IN A DREAAAM
FRAMERATE EEAAAATERRRRR

>joke card
poorfag coping hard lmao

>Go on Best Buy's website
>Search up 5090
>2400 dollars
Holy shit why are they so expensive?

meanwhile

>>718886838
>The performance targets you want have literally never been obtainable, and never ever will be.
0/10 attempt at revisionist history. Trying this hard to shill is either trolling or some 20 year old retard that has no clue

>>718877159
Jeet devs are cheap

>>718886838
>When I answer 5090 you'll [schizobabble]
No I'll just show you that paying 600$ used to achieve what you paid, what, 2-3 grand for? There's a reason you won't answer and why you skirt around being direct with all this. You know people's arguments for the relative cost and performance of cards/games in general is valid, thus you always fall back to "poorfag"

>>718887183
>A game that looks like it could have been done on last gen consoles if they had more memory runs well
Wow.
>>718887248
prove me wrong. Snip a benchmark you googled like I did or give a link

>>718887183
A ps5 gets 90fps on bf6 at like 1440p and the pro has a resolve close to 4k and it gets 120fps. These graphics cards are just ridiculous

>>718887431
>reaches back 20 years for one of the most infamously cutting edge and demanding games of all time
>to try and prove a point about averages and trends
Good try negroid. Just go google any benchmarks of the 780 when it came out. It was running all test suites at 1440p60. That was 12 years ago. in 12 years only the price has gone up. You're still getting "1440p"(kike upscaled)60. But now it costs double the price.

>they fell for the 4k/1440p meme

1080 with DLAA looks crystal clear.

>>718887852
NOBODY IS BUYING A 5080 FOR 1080P YOU DOUBLE NIGGER FUCKING KILL YOURSELF

>>718887852
can you even buy a 1080p monitor that isnt some chinked garbage?
no one makes 1080p monitors anymore

>>718885743
Yes because settings are totally the same and graphics are totally the same resolution is the only thing that matters.

>>718887951
sometimes, but they're usually gay and cheap panels. good luck finding a high refresh rate 1080p panel that isn't abhorrently dogshit VA. 1440p ultrawide high refresh rate OLED is a game changer if you think 1080p is still good

>>718887947
Nobody sane should be buying 5080 anyways. It's 5070 Ti for normal people or 5090 for millionaires.

>>718876585
This

>>718887976
I get you're trying to argue that graphics are better now and thus justify the increase in hardware demand. But that's blatantly false and only takes 5 minutes of somewhat careful observing to see.

>>718888215
Show me those console games that look like Cyberpunk or Wukong with path tracing on. Raster hit a wall years ago yes.

>>718888317
There are maybe 5, 10 games that use path tracing? Only 1 or 2 of them is actually fully path traced, and those that are take a 5080+ to run at anything above 1080p native.

Pure visual detail and accuracy to photorealism is not the only vector for a way to improve "graphics", you slop consuming mongoloid. There are so many facets in which games can improve, even just visually, outside of chasing photorealistic lighting techniques. Cyberpunk and Wukong are both extremely dated looking in many ways. The impressive lighting does not change this

>>718880495
Or you could stop crying about your potato PC and build a real computer

>>718880856
I was about to reply with several exceptions because I forgot I was in an UE5 thread for a second, and yeah, every exception I thought of does use their own internal engine.
I guess Square-Enix would be the one exception. But they're still on UE4, so they don't seem keen to touch UE5 either.

>>718876530 (OP)
>>718876585
SAAAR we are ready for another project which gaem we are now needful ruin?

>>718876530 (OP)
4k is a meme.
All modern cards do integer scaling.
You can run shit at 1080 on a 4k screen and it integer scales up to 4k perfectly with no need for filtering, leaving you with a crisp beautiful image.

If you run shit at 4k you only have yourself to blame.

>>718887018
>3070
In tears

>>718877159
I feel like some developers are getting off too lightly by blaming the tools they're using rather than themselves, even if inevitably the tool must be blamed at some stage in the process. Ever since Threat Interactive exposed how slow rendering in UE5 is: some incompetent devs have taken upon themselves to excuse themselves of any responsibility in optimisation. When Unreal itself can't fix someone who don't have any learned skills in this area. There's still a bare minimum of experience in optimisation skills for being able to make a game run well in Unreal Engine in which many devs don't actually have because this engine just made it easier to jump in with no required skills.

>>718890927
you are wasting money on PC parts if you're still playing at 1080p in 2025

>>718887478
That screenshot is DLAA. PS5 pro would get like 30fps native.

>>718892757
Base PS5 is 4k upscaled so not much different than native. And it commonly is between high 40s and 60fps.

>>718886792
What would lawyers have to do with money greed?

>tfw 3080

I was looking forward to this remake, not so much now

>>718876530 (OP)
but will it run on my steam deck?

4k is a fucking meme. You would be getting 300 fps on 1440p and it looks better than it needs to.

>>718883398
Gamedev courses exclusively caters to the lowest common denominator, people who don't have to skills get good at anyhing so they just become bad at everything instead. I'd sooner hire roblox script kiddies, than a game dev 'programmer'

>>718876530 (OP)
>tfw stutters and low fps are the least of the problems
boiling, dithering, terrible TSR even at 100%, pop-in despite nanite that costs 1/4 of gpu power, virtual shadows that are bugged as fuck, virtual textures that have insane amounts of shimmering that even the terrible upscalers and taa can't fix, ugly foggy muddy visuals, fog intensity cranked up to 500 in every title. i love ue5 so much

>>718876530 (OP)
Is there any reason why they used unreal engine instead of using fox engine ?

>>718897489
fox engine hasnt been maintained in years and unreal is the industry standard?
if a developer fucks up an unreal game, they would have done even worse with an inhouse engine

>invest heavily in hyper optimized engine from the ground up specifically for mgs games and multiplat performance

>nah fuck it time for ue5

>>718876530 (OP)
i wish cryengine was more popular, CE games always run like a dream on my pc since 2010

>>718897489
developer that made fox engine left with kojima

>>718900223
But they kept using it for like 5 years on several games after Kojima left

>>718900271
yeah by recycling some dogshit sport games
they know its over and switched to unreal

>>718893824
DLSS is subnative. The game still struggles to hit 60fps running at native 1296p (DLSS Balanced) on a $1000+ GPU

>>718876585
UE5 is fine if the devs actually used all the tools provided to optimize their games, instead they just do everything using templates and existing frameworks

>>718900376
the picture clearly says DLAA you retarded indian

>>718900668
There's multiple quality settings in the video. The setting that runs under 1440p doesn't keep 60, let alone 300.
Also
>everybody that doesn't agree with me is indian

>>718900879
>moving the goalpost
do the needful dirty jeet

>game is upscaled 720p on piss5 and runs in the 30-40s

Epic needs to be shut down for inflicting Unreal on the world.

>>718892901
>4k upscaled so not much different than native
No.

Will my 4060 survive?

>>718902193
you're like the friend who asks to be invited

>UHHHHH UNREAL ISN'T BAD CHUDS!
Kys jeets

Now post the image comparison between High settings and ultra settings.

UE got significant performance improvements with the latest 5.6 version released in june 2025. The version used by the game is probably older and less optimized.

Finally, the game on low settings at 4k probably looks infinitely better than the ps2 version upscaled, so just kys.