Thread 718891858

Is this series overrated? Is it still fun for someone who doesn't care about Disney characters? $60 for everything seems like a good value but I've never played a single one of these games in my life.

go marathon the disney movies repped in each game because they're simply good kino

>>718891858 (OP)
It's either gonna click in the first two hours of Kh1 or you'll never like it.

>>718891858 (OP)
The first game is on ps2, just emulate it and see for yourself if you like it. They're just pretty easy and simple action RPG games with a ton of nintendo and squenix memberberries combined with an extremely convoluted and autistic plot that's super melodramatic but pretty comical when you're juxtaposing the teenage angst and shonen anime tropes against goofy shit like Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse in a trench coat

>>718892238
I personally think having him just play the first couple hours then buying FM if he likes it is a better idea. FM has some actually useful QOL aspects

>>718892238
>>718892442
>emulate
just use steam's refund policy bruh

>>718891858 (OP)
1 2 and 3 (especially with dlc) are really good.. all the other side games dont really matter

>>718892061
This. It really is just that simple.

>>718891858 (OP)
I am so goddamn confused by these fucking games
If I buy that "INTEGRUM MASTERPIECE" in your OP photo, does that mean I buy all of them...?

$60 for all those games really is worth it.

>>718893110
yes you get the whole package (excluding some out of service phone game etc) 123 are the real thing the rest was just bad cashrab stuff and is summerized in a video

>>718893804
Cool, thanks
I played 1 and 2 as a kid, and I remember when I started playing #2 I was already completely lost because the gameboy game was crucial canon. So what I'm wondering is, should I not buy this and just somehow buy 1-2-3 individually for less and fuck all the others? I know the plot is a dumb clusterfuck regardless, but are the others in these remaster/remake/whatever formats worthwhile?

>>718893110
yes. if you just want the essentials, you just need the one named "1.5 + 2.5 remix" which contains Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 with a few extra filler games. If you're feeling like you want more, you can get the bundle listed in OP which in addition includes Kingdom Hearts 3 + DLC and a few other filler games.

>>718891858 (OP)
>Is it still fun for someone who doesn't care about Disney characters

As long as you enjoy donald and Goofy in the games you're fine. As games go on they use newer movies. None of them are really bad but none of them are perfect and have flaws. I am a huge autist for these games. The hate is overblown and KH2 is overrated but still good.

>>718893973
So the other games are "lesser" so I only "need" to play 1 2 3? I was kinda considering playing all of them for the comedic effect of how fucking stupid they are, but I imagine a bunch of them are kinda boring since they're all ports of handheld games?

>>718894479
They're lesser because they're gameplay is kinda ass compared to the main three, but all the games are story important and if you don't play the lesser ones you will need to look up a story summary of them

>>718891858 (OP)
Insane that some people still haven’t played this after over 20 years.

>>718894479
No, you have to play them all to understand the story.

>>718894625
>>718894642
Sounds like I should just buy the lot. Seems cheaper to just buy the whole thing from OP's pick for 60 bucks than buying anything separately. Guess I'll try the dumbass handheld spinoffs. Cheers boys

It's a damn shame Days never got a re-release, you would think that with 4 taking eons to come out, Squenix would throw the series a bone that isn't a damn gacha game

This game is for peados

KH4
>Replaced the villain from KH1-3 with comic relief Marvel quipping mobile gacha character who appeared in 2 cutscenes in the actual games for 6 minutes and 36 seconds
>Organization XIII is replaced with mobile gacha characters who have cardboard one dimensional personalities and appeared in 1 cutscene for 2 minutes and 55 seconds in the actual games
>In order to understand backstory you need to play mobile gacha (WHICH IS OFFLINE NOW)
>Another mobile gacha that was supposed to contain crucial backstory got cancelled
>QTEs
>Strong woman representation
>Unreal Engine 5
>Nomura is retiring and giving away the franchise to literally who
IT'S OVER

I wouldn't get them all. Lots of slop.

>>718891858 (OP)
It's good but you can buy literally the whole thing physical on PS3 or PS4 for like $8 total at any retro vidya store. If you don't have a console then yeah, knock yourself out, but Squeenix MASSIVELY jacked the price up when they released the PC version and it still is like over double what it used to be on consoles before then.

>>718891858 (OP)
Before the PC version came out this would go on sale on consoles for like $20 constantly.

>>718891858 (OP)
>Is this series overrated?

Yes it is.

At first the idea of blending Disney and Final Fantasy IP was the main selling point for me; and being hooked in with Utada Hikaru's music just added that much soul to the franchise.

Then somewhere along the way SQEX decided to exploit that initial fandom, with a bunch of filler games and re-releases with extra footage, that just wound up confusing the hell out of everyone......

By the time they actually got around to releasing KH3, people just stopped caring.

>>718896438
People cared very much about KH in the run up to 3. Then it came out and it was kind of ass.

>>718892517
The first 2 hours od kh1, 2 & 3 have no meaningful gameplay bruh

Retards arguing over a kiddie game lol lmao rofl even

>>718896438
Correct
>>718896607
Wrong. I was a big fan of KH1 and KH2 and kept waiting for the announcement of KH3 but they just kept spewing out handheld spinoffs instead, for years and years and years and years, and by the time KH3 was announced I had stopped caring. Never played it

>>718896607
eh fewer but bigger disney worlds was kinda meh but it has the best organisation bossfights

>>718891858 (OP)
You don’t need to be too familiar with Disney to enjoy the games. I never even watched all the movies that show up. 1 and 2 are classic games that are worth playing, but the rest generally aren’t. Chain of Memories is necessary for understanding the plot of 2, but you may want to emulate the GBA version for a better gameplay experience. And if you end up invested after 2, I’d recommend the DS games (358 and Re:Coded) as opposed to their movie versions in this collection. Birth By Sleep is the first one that’s just totally awful in both story and gameplay. And the story just gets worse and worse afterwards. BBS onwards is some fucking info hazard shit that retroactively ruins the older games.
Without giving anything away, the plot of the series is silly, but early on it’s this vague Disney magic x Final Fantasy type of silly. Like you can tell it’s a stylistic choice for the crossover. But it starts taking the lore really seriously after a certain point and tries to explain the more vague, magical elements in a serious way that gets so ridiculous and convoluted that no suspension of disbelief can save it.

In 2025, they're overpriced
The entire series isn't worth $15 and I'm being nice

Most countries don't allow cars manufactured 20 years ago to be sold, some don't allow you to drive them at all

>>718895837
If they were smart they'd use 4 to soft reset things, but that's never gonna happen.

>>718891858 (OP)
>Is this series overrated?
Broadly speaking, yes. 2 still stands up as one of the greats, but 1 is entirely carried by one of the best opening ever made and a really strong aesthetic and the rest of the series has been coasting off those two ever since. 3 is at least playable after a mountain of patches, but it still pales in comparison to it's direct predecessors. The mobile spin offs are all over the place in terms of quality. Stuff like Re:coded and CoM are pretty fun, but DDD made me want to rope.

>>718897680
Retard, that's literally what 4 is about

>>718891858 (OP)
It's called the franchise sale but doesn't inlude melody of memory, a 100% canon game that takes place after 3 and has plot that actually sets up the next game rather than just a secret ending or a kh4 trailer.
Unfortunately, it's not on steam, still stuck on EGS probably due to another limited exclusivity deal.

>>718891858 (OP)
Nah it's shit. The only people that like it are autists and people who grew up playing it.

>>718891858 (OP)

I personally don't really like it.
They are trying to do a serious story but then you have goofy there acting goofy.

It would have been better as a full on looney toons comedy.

>>718896438
It was the double whammy of KH3 taking way too long to come out and also being pretty dogshit that killed the series.
Especially the biggest issue with 3, which was that they removed all the Final Fantasy characters for no clear reason It's because Nomura was fucking pissed about what happened with FF15 and rightfully so, the suits screwed him big time

>>718897825
yeah I'm sure just like when they said it was coming soon. When was that again? three years ago or so now?

1 and 2 are great, the rest range from shit to decent. The story is really stupid past the first game but still pretty enjoyable provided you aren't completely poisoned by irony

>>718897965
To be fair to the suits, Nomura was taking an ages to make Versus 13 and had enough of his shit.

Just finished all achievements, it was fun, aside from ReCOM
Now onto 3 bros.

>>718891858 (OP)
>modding is a weird hassle of both using openkh to extract the files of the installed game so it can apply the mods AND the whole separate thing called Lua that recently got updated and ruined a lot of mods that have are not yet updated
>a simple mod to increase the claustrophobic fov og kh1 depends on this Lua bullshit and none of them work because they are not updated to wqork with the new Lua
I want tog et the games but why the fuck is modding them so fucking werid? why do I have to install the collection AND THEN use openkh, making sure I have the free storage appart from the storage of the collection to extract the files of the game.
what the fuck at least keep the lua mod sup to date, the Better Battle System for BBS is one of the lua mods and it's buggy as fuck because it's not updated to work with the new Lua files FUCK

>>718898125
>aside from ReCOM
the GBA version is much better than the 3d version imo

>>718891858 (OP)

a few of the games in the collection are just a movie made from all of the cutscenes strung together.

I dont like anime but I do like Disney. Would I enjoy this or is it too "power of friendship"?

1 aged horribly
2 is still perfect
3 is still boring
I don't give a FUCK about the hand-helds.

>>718891858 (OP)
>Is this series overrated?
extremely

>>718891858 (OP)
It's not worth it. The best games are mid at best and the worst ones are so bad you will statt hating vidya altogether.
The story DOES NOT GEZ a satisfying conclusion.

Get into a better franchise

>>718898561
>1 aged horribly
>2 is still perfect
this but reverse them

>>718898531
you would enjoy the first game and parts of 2 and BBS, but nothing else

>>718898531
>I dont like anime but I do like Disney.
Literally me.
But if you don't like power of friendship shit, then yeah you might not like 90% of the story.

>>718891858 (OP)
>Is it still fun for someone who doesn't care about Disney characters?
2 is, 1 is pretty heavy on the Disneyshit and just plays much worse anyway. Honestly just play 2 and call it a day, nothing else is worth your time.

Be a real man and actually play 358/2 Days and Re:coded instead of just consuming cutscenes.

>1.5+2,5 is $30 on Steam, even on sale
what the fuck? I feel like I got the PS4 version for like 10 bucks, and that was years ago

Mickey in a trench coat was Walt's original vision

>>718898740
358/2 is not good. I've played it.

>>718898740
ReCoded is my favorite out of all the handheld KHs.
Best leveling system too.

>>718893110
You get the main games (1+2+3), plus some side games (BBS+RE:CoM+fragmentary passage+DDD), and movies of the others to fill out the plot (days+RE:Coded+union). 1+2 are the best, the rest are decent but flawed, DDD is absolute garbage. Technically, integrum misses out on the kairi rhythm game (melody of memories I think it is called?) but it does not matter to my knowledge.
>>718893918
All the games add important lore/plot details, but 2 does a decent job of summarizing in cutscenes and journal entries. Also, the plot kind of stops mattering after the first game and you are there for gameplay+vibes.

>>718898769
They refuse to drop the price on PC. The whole package can be had for $25 - $30 on PS5.

>>718891858 (OP)
The main entries are fun and all the portable side games were ass. Just watch the cutscenes on youtube. The series really should have ended at 2.

>>718891858 (OP)
60 bucks for everything is bad value because you will have a bunch of shit games in your library not worth playing. KH2 is the last good entry.

Can I get mods running on the steamdeck?

>>718898983
Don't people like BbS?

>>718898740
>>718898819
>>718898881
I like days more than Coded. I should go back and try re Coded again, because I remember not really liking it but that might have changed. Days was just good because I like the mission based structure, the tile based character building was cool and really jived well with my autism. I wish I had friends back then to play the multiplayer with. I also kind of wish that there was more switching between org members in the main game rather than being stuck with Roxas the whole time. Neverland DID fucking suck, though. Don't know how they thought shipping the game with that world was acceptable.

I'm trying to remember if I have everything. I know have KH I.5+II.5 on PS4 and KH III on Xbox One but I can't remember if I ever got II.8 (not that it matters, since I can just stuff that on 3DS if I actually get to that point along with 358/2 and Re:coded if I felt like committing to those instead of just watching cutscenes).

>>718899041
People used to like it but recently have turned against it because
>Muh lightmine cheese (or whatever other cheese they come up with)
>Muh 3 playthroughs
And they never even mention how shitty the boardgame aspect was, which makes me believe they are just parroting some shitty YouTuber instead of having played the game for themselves.

>>718891858 (OP)
When the fuck is this shit coming to Switch 2? I don't even care about KH 3 or 4. I'll play 4 on PC.
I just fucking want KH 1 and 2 on my Switch 2.

>>718898740
>358/2 Days
I played that and don't remember a thing about it. I understand that is the meme, but I also legitimately don't remember anything about it.

>>718899213
Get a deck

>>718899174
You can't get 2.8 on 3ds. You miss out on 0.2 fragmentary passage, which was actually a cool prologue/demo for 3 where you get to play as aqua. You can get DDD on 3DS, but it is literally the worst KH game so I don't know why you would want to if you are willing to skip any KH games at all.

KH3 is still not as cheap as its lowest Epic price

>>718898092
yeah but they made it a thousand times worse by changing Versus 13 to 15 and then forcing him to make a bunch of changes to it so it better fits as a mainline FF title

>>718891858 (OP)
1 and 2 are well worth playing even today.
Just ignore everything that came out after

>>718898125
How long did that take?

>>718899213
I can't figure out why they made them Cloud Versions.

You can't port PS2 remasters to the Switch and have them run locally? Are you kidding me?

>>718891858 (OP)
KH1 and KH2 are timeless classica
KH3 is good
Your mileage will vary with the rest

>>718892061
Nah, I’d give it to the end of Wonderland. Some people may spend two hours aimlessly on Destiny Island.

>>718898125
https://github.com/gibbed/SteamAchievementManager
Nice acheatments bro

>>718892061
>>718899624
You guys are too nice, the Tarzan World is the big filter

>>718899535
300 hours total

I like to livestream my games but the combination of Disney and Square make me scared and I don't know if you can mute the in game music but if I can't broadcast my game I don't wanna play.
Dang Disney for being so copyright strict.

>>718898740
No

>>718899583
The remasters ran like ass on PS3, chances are they would've had the same problems porting them to Switch 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL5JiINRBFE

>>718899991
I've actually got those alongside the PS4 combined remaster. I got them with a BC PS3 I bought (along with the three PS2 KH games on top of that because the guy who owned it before me really fucking loved KH).

>>718891858 (OP)
It’s a fun ARPG series with some cool platforming. The story and dialogue will make you cringe.

>>718891858 (OP)
fun arpgs. as long as you can put up with the childish themes of "light triumphs over darkness" and "my friends are my power" and such. the first game is solid. the second game game gets a little wild with the story, but the gameplay is still (mostly) solid. they expand some of the combat, but over simplify the levels. too many gimmick fights though, and not enough situations to really let your drive forms shine. the third game jumps the shark for a variety of reasons that i wont really get into. the other games are stupid and gay.

>>718891858 (OP)
play kingdom hearts 1 and 2 the rest is fanfiction

>>718899991
They ran just fine on PS3 but I would agree KH2 had quite a few issues especially when switching drive forms or the Data Xemnas fight having bugs with Triangle inputs.

>>718898740
I wish they remade the game with co-op, I dont care if its in the UE3/4 engine

>>718898740
I played them on melon mix and they were just ok

>>718899680
YAS, literally this, queen. SLAY

>>718900454
>y-you want me to put a sword in your pussy?

I am not a good enough gamer to beat Yozora.

How much content does the first collection include?
I bought the rebirth + Remake pack ages ago and I got to finish it like 4 months after buying it not really sure if I want to take a massive risk with a series I'm not sure I will like + lack of time.

If you don't want to buy the entire collection buy 1.5+2.5 That's a fucking bargain as it also includes BBS

>>718901214
>1st game
>2nd game
>game with card elements
>game that is a prequel that plays similarly to the 1st and 2nd but with a twist and has a hot girl
>game that sets up the 3rd game but plays like the prequel
>glorified demo of the 3rd game but you play as the girl from the prequel
>the 3rd game
Oh and some movie versions of some handheld games

>>718901214
>>718901214
the 1.5+2.5 collection includes
KHFM (~30 hours for the main game)
KHIIFM (~30 hours for the main game)
KHBBS (~10 hours for each campaign, has 3 campaigns. ~30 hours to see all aspects of the story)
KHRE:CoM (~20 hours for the main story, might take you longer based on RNG and how much you jive with the obtuse combat system)
then there are a couple "movies" as well to make you able to get some other missing story info. it is about ~120 for the main game, a lot more content available if you want to do side stuff.

>>718901643
>>718901492
what about the 2nd and 3rd one?
Feels like I don't have enough time in this life to get into KH

>>718901643
Oh whoops my bad I didn't know he was talking about that.
But yeah 1.5+2.5 is probably the best version of KH1 and KH2 for sure

>>718901643
To add onto this.
Don't play RE:CoM, go install visual boy advance and play the original instead.

>>718891858 (OP)
They're doing that publisher bullshit of keeping the base price high forever.

>>718901810
Why is the GBA version better? is the only game I played (when I was like 15) and thought it was really cool

>>718901763
The 2nd game is honestly one of my most beloved games ever.
The 3rd is honestly pretty good but it had the issue of living up to the name.
You're lucky to have the priviledge of not having to wait so long for KH3 to happen.

>>718901763
Going on steam there is
>1.5+2.5 collection
>2.8 collection
>3+Remind
>Integrum
The 1.5+2.5 collection has the most amount of content and the best content. Described here >>718901643
2.8 has DDD (worst game in the series, ~20 hours) and fragmentary passage (Demo/prologue to 3, ~3 hours. Very short). Also has some videos from a Japan only mobile game to fill in some context for 3. This collection has the worst value.
3+remind is just 3 and the DLC, it's okay. Probably about ~40 hours total here.
Integrum is just everything above at a discounted price.
1.5+2.5 having the best content and being long enough means that if you feel like you MIGHT enjoy the series, it is what you would want. Then you can buy integrum during the next sale of you have gotten through the first collection (steam will give you a further discount on integrum if you already have some of the games in the package).

Mixed bag. Story is fun if you are willing to play a weird fanfiction.
The 3D version of Chain of Memories sucks dick emulate the gameboy one.

>>718898092
>>718897965
I mean the KH2 co director team was split in half and forced to work on FF13's battle system and FF14's level design and quests. When Nomura got them back he could only work with them until Toriyama and Komoto demanded them back again, and that was about 3 months per year from 2009 to 2012. 2011 was the exception but ARR began and Nomura was overruled, meaning he only had them for six months.

The real crime is Kitase telling Nomura his 3D Noctis pitch was too dark for mainline Final Fantasy and seniority allowing Toriyama to become even closer and get his Lightning pitch approved anyway. It's clear Nomura and Kitase didn't see eye to eye, since he was so focused on hiring people who broke the 7-8-10 interactive movie mold to work on gameplay systems and detailed interactable level geometry, like 7 and 8 devs who instead moved to Matsuno and Kawazu projects as far removed from the Sakaguchi/Kitase/Toriyama philosophy.

>>718897765
>but DDD made me want to rope.
I hated it on 3ds but when I replayed it on PS4 in 2.8 I liked it a lot better. Maybe it was because I didn't have a circle pad for my 3ds.

>>718891858 (OP)
I fucking love Kingdom Hearts but don't pay that much for it OP. As another anon stated you can get the entire thing series physically for dirt cheap. The PC version was so overpriced when it came out it was insane.

>>718902391
>The 3D version of Chain of Memories sucks dick emulate the gameboy one.
What's wrong with it? I have it but I never bothered to play it because I played the OG.

>>718901214
1.5 and 2.5 have nearly everything except 3, DDD (which is pointless if you have a hacked 3ds because 3ds games are free,) an Melody of Memory, which is a rythym game.

If you have a PS4 or PS5 already you can find KH3 for $5 fucking everywhere.

>>718903220
Why would Matsuno and Kawazu take issue with Toriyama, Kitase and Sakaguchi? I assume you're also including Maehiro and Takai too if you're going to be granular.

>>718903220
>Komoto
>Matsuno
>Kawazu
Who?

>>718903624
I wish she were here to shut you down
>>718903536
Cutscene-battle-cutscene is all the latter team does. Not the anon but Sakaguchi's philosophy failed them with XIII and didn't make a big splash with Lost Odyssey. Takahashi won because he did the opposite and went all in like his student did, and the pitch he and his wife made was rejected by Sakaguchi for the same reason as their student's.

Maybe I never played it when I was a kid, but I find these games super gay as a grown up. And I usually don't have a problem playing "baby games" like Crash Bandicoot or watching these disney movies themselves, but theres something about KH that makes me cringe a lot.

>>718891858 (OP)
i already own it on epic

As someone who has played literally every entry that is available on PS4/PS5 my advice to you is just play the first one. You can play 1, 2 and 3 but just play the first one. These games are non-sensical and they make "spin-off" games' plot pivotal and the plot overall is retarded. The spin-offs themselves are the worst games I've ever played to completion. Just play the first one for the charm of Disney/Final Fantasy.

>>718905020
>Didn't even wait for cracks
dirty girl.

>>718891858 (OP)
I haven't played anything past 2 yet, but so far I'd say if you're not in it for the Disney characters there are better games you could be playing. The first game especially does a good job utilizing the Disney characters in the plot, though they seem to take more of a backseat after that once we get some more original villains.
>>718899510
As bad as XV turned out, I usually can't stand the whining from Versus XIII fags who are convinced they got robbed of a better game when it never existed in the first place. That said, I do think one of XV's big story weaknesses came from the extremely shallow cosmology they threw together so it wouldn't share the same gods as in XIII. I do wish they stuck to the Fabula Nova Crystalis lore for XV, though I'm sure if they did the retards who couldn't grasp it in the other games would have complained again anyway.

>>718891858 (OP)
I'm really tempted to replay the whole franchise (specifically 1 and 2 at least) since for some reason Youtube kept recommending me Kingdom Hearts videos and I watched a few of them, but then I remember THOSE parts of the game and it lessened the urge a little bit.

>>718905510
>then I remember THOSE parts of the game
what parts

>>718905543
Mostly doing Pooh mini games or grinding synthesis materials for 100% completion.

>>718905635
why are you doing retarded shit like 100% completion or Pooh minigames if you don't like them

>>718891858 (OP)
This used to go for -60% when it was exclusive to Epic, so I would just wait a while longer until they stop being greedy. It will probably be dirt cheap when the comes to promote 4

>>718905721
Because the game itself encourages you to go for 100% completion to unlock the secret endings.

I know there's a lot of games in the first collection but why the fuck is it 70GB? Did they bloat the fuck out of textures or what?

>>718891858 (OP)
Can't imagine being a Kingdom Hearts fan still in 2025 with how Square Enix actively treats the franchise.
>Make all the PC ports Epic Games Store exclusive for a while
>Money gets tight so finally puts the ports on steam, but don't bother including MoM
>Tell Nomura he needs to make a new mobile game to make money since UX is slowly winding down in money it's making.
>Nomura puts Dark Road onto the UX client to do this
>Proceed to cancel UX and DR, forcing Nomura to rush and finish both stories because you want a Pokemon Go spinoff that's supposed to keep people busy until KH4 is ready
>KH4 barely gets developed because Nomura is stuck in the FF7 mines and Osaka team had to help get FF16 out the door
>Proceed to cancel the game that was supposed to hold people over until KH4 and then emergency drop some basic KH4 screesnhots proving that the game hasn't even been worked on much in years
>Still keep Nomura in the FF7 mines working on First Soldier instead.

Any Kingdom Hearts fan who once had any respect for themselves moved on long ago, any who has any left, should move on already

>>718903270
Flowmotion is fun, but I fucking hate the pokemon shit and a lot of the moves including the basic melee hit like pool noodles which I also hate. A shame too because it has some great music and levels. It was also unfortunately when the story went full retard along with Sora even by KH standards.

>>718906003
It gets worse. The Tokyo battle planners are stuck on VII Remake games. Runor has it that Nomura rehired their boss who was the battle planning director, which was started by how he said "I brought back Reaction Commands lol" to make it feel like KH2 again.

He worked at DeNA to repurpose the KH1/2 and FF13 summon system for Pokemon Masters. But disappeared after 2021 in the game credits.

>>718906585
>Tokyo battle planners
Kujiraoka isn't working on the 3rd game anon. He should though. He knows what went on with Nomura and Versus.

>>718891858 (OP)
I always say that 1 and 2fm are very mucj worth playing.
The rest are kinda a mixed bag especially plotwise, but personally I think most of them are still pretty fun to play.
Though if you're actually in it for the story just leave it at 2.
So I say play those two and from there you can see if you want to play more.
Some protips.
Between 1 and 2 a GBA came out called Chain of memories.
It starts off right where kh1 left off and leads right into the events of kh2.
They later made ps2 version which is the version included in all the collections, but the ps2 version is shit for a variety of reasons.
So I say try the GBA version or youtube the cutscenes of the ps2 version on youtube after beating 1 and 2.
If you're gonna emulate the ps2 versions for some reason make sure you play the final mix versions.
Final mix are updated rereleases(think dmc3 special editiom) with more content and rebalancing.
You can get away with playing the base version of 1, but 2 and 2fm are like night and day so make sure to play 2fm.
The hd collections use the final mix version so no worries there

>>718906737
BBS is kino

>>718898740
Days is trash.
Re:coded is pure ludo.
Though as great as re:coded I wouldn't recommend it in a marathon since you probably went through 1 and com not that long ago.

>>718906938
>coded
And that man, after working on Days and avoiding being sent to the Remake mines worked with Nomura to make NEO TWEWY.

>>718896438
Incorrect, the filler games are Kino too
>>718896607
I was expecting the conclusion to the entire franchise and also FF characters, I got neither and they went with the floaty DDD combat instead of the good KH2 combat

>>718903423
It's basically kh1 with com's card system slapped on.
So instead of playing something that feels unique it just feels like you're playing a watered dowm version of 1 with more restrictions.
Also the 3d space and enemy paterns just doesn't jive well the card system or atleast not the way they imported.
Reused assets for all the worlds doesn't help.it either.

>>718905867
Only if you play on any of the baby modes

I liked the sort of grown up look that Sora Kairi and Riku had at the end of KH2 but then they made then look younger in DDD and again KH3, why?

>>718891858 (OP)
It was fine on release but playing it now you will find it pretty mediocre.

>>718907298
In ddd sora and Riku got de-aged so they could learn how to use a keyblade from scratch so they could wield it the proper way instead of just macguyvering it like they did before.
In 3 it's just the artstyle that makes them look younger.

>>718907129
To make matters worse? The guys who encouraged the DDD stuff themselves came from the KH2 team. Look up Yuji Abe, who worked on all three XIII games after.

Every improvement in ReMind under Nomura occurred after he left to work on Ever Crisis

>>718891858 (OP)
My take is that Kingdom Hearts got worse with each new game especially in the area of the characters and story and if you make the characters trash no one will want to stomach the games. The series kept on introducing bad ideas like...

Clone Characters of the main characters
Time Travel
Reviving Dead Characters
Amnesia cliches which are a big thing for RPGs

And it grew into a mess and Kingdom Hearts 4 deserves to sell badly. And I can't stand how idiotic Sora has become the main hero of the franchise being so stupid has always been a disgusting cliche.

>>718907545
I mean, you are the guy who wants to turn KH into a game where all Sora does is made into a scalie and get raped, so. I can see why you'd think the way you do about the franchise.

>>718907605
>scalie
?

>>718906003
>any who has any left, should move on already

Ansem Seeker of Darkness literally has a scene in Kingdom Hearts 3 staring at the camera telling viewers to move on with their lives.

>>718907605
Get a disease and die in agony. Kingdom Hearts is shit and deserves to fail. Kingdom Hearts is so lame that even Undertale and Deltarune fans are laughing at you losers. That's how low Kingdom Hearts has sunk.

>>718907873
nice try yanderefag

>>718907873
Off topic
Enjoy your vacations

>>718898740
I've replayed through both multiple times and Re:Coded is one of my favorites in the series

>>718907456
Well it looks like shit now, KH2 artstyle is much better
>>718907518
I hope KH4 will have KH2 style combat, Strelitzia looks ok but still a little too chibi, I hate chibi artstyle

>>718907873
Are you the Emet Selch guy?

>>718908043
I'd prefer anyone who worked under Nomura projects like Versus, SoP, TWEWY and also on KH2 leave CS1 to join the Yoshi-P teams, but that's just me. I do know other people have said this desu.

>>718906938
>Re:coded is pure ludo.
it plays nothign like ludo though?

>>718908146
Why?
Yoshi-p nabbing the guy in charge of dmc's combat didn't save ff16.

>>718891858 (OP)
It's a fun ARPG series and I stand by 1 being outstanding and 2 being incredibly fun in its combat. The rest of the series is enjoyable but more in that the highlights will hopefully outweigh the bad parts.

>>718905983
yes, actually. they ran the textures through a shitty upscaling filter.

>>718908427
He nabbed the guy who was in charge of Dissidia's combat.

I also kind of want the Kitase camp to wither away for what it did to Nomura and his teams desu

>>718897965
Nomura has said that the FF characters were meant more as placeholders while they didn't have original characters to fill the same roles. And I believe it since the FF elements were relatively superficial. KH3 already has to juggle so many characters no one gives a shit about that using even more of them might've been too much.

>>718908427
Assuming he's a Whisper of Stellafag, I think he's doing this to consolidate the broken scraps of the Versus team together. All this talk of Kitase Kitase Kitase has been happening in SaGa threads, which I understand.

But he never brought up how Nomura said that he thought recent FF games have anything to say or explore the human psyche. His exact words on the 13 games were "crude science fiction caricature" and it was revealed that people who worked on The Last Remnant and FFXIII were working on the game's story and they wound up on XVI anyway.

>>718908969
>Whisper of Stellafag
What of who?

>>718908683
Pretty sure he also nabbed a lead designer of dmc5.

No one has posted a comprehensive KH buying guide yet so

>THE GOOD GAMES
KH 1.5 + 2.5 is the best bundle with the best games. It contains KH1, KH2, and the remake of Chain of Memories. This is very convenient because KH1 and KH2 are the two games that matter. CoM, conveniently, is the distant third best game in the series, so getting that too is just gravy. Warning: CoM will filter some people because it is a strange combination of card game and action combat, with a difficult to parse deckbuilding system, so if it doesnt click for you dont try to force it, just watch the cutscenes on youtube if you really need to but honestly if you even played the intro you have a decent idea of whats going on, just skip it entirely with the knowledge that at the end of the game sora gets trapped in a box while riku and mickey are breaking out of the dark world.

>FILLER
Do you like bad video games? Do you really want to savor shitty 00s anime plots that drag for way too long as the author keeps throwing in random filler arcs and flashbacks of irrelevant side-characters that just delay the cool fight with the series villain that youre actually waiting for? then 2.8 is the game bundle for you! remember that even with all of this garbage there are multiple additional 60+ hour games that were just turned into "previously on the last episode of KHZ" summaries.

>KH3
dont play this.

>>718909245
It was both. He had the Dissidia guy make the prototype like the other Dissidia guy did for 7R with CyberConnect unt
Nomura said let's bring it in house. Like with 7R the prototype wasn't enough and had him work with the DMC/Dragon's Dogma (?) guy to refine it more. Eventually Kujiraoka was moved to battle content direction but Suzuki made the battle system.

>>718909329
>CoM, conveniently, is the distant third best game in the series
stopped reading there

>>718909392
CoM is C-tier which makes it the third best KH game.

>>718909363
Fun fact! Square Enix hired two different Capcom devs named Ryota Suzuki to
work on Final Fantasy games. One is the XVI battle system director. The other is a combat programmer for VII Rebirth.

Another fun fact! This isn't the first time Square Enix devs worked with Capcom staff to create combat systems and content for their action games. Rebirth's Masanori Sato and Kujiraoka worked under the guy who made Mega Man Legends action system. He's the same guy who worked on Pokemon Masters after Tabata fired him and the rest of the Nomura's assistants. His name is Yuichi Kanemori, from Osaka on Kingdom Hearts since Day 1.

>>718908969
>Stellafag
>yanderefag
Just what we need. More fags.

>>718909392
GBA CoM is absolutely one of the best games in the series, RNG aside.

>>718909826
You act as if you don't know who Stellafag is while posting in a Nomura thread, held together only by Stellafag lore as with all Nomura threads.

Someone put this guy out of his misery and post the writeups already

>>718909953
Nta, but I have seen the name thrown around a lot, but still no clue who he's supposed to be.
Especially the fucking whisper of a stellafag.
Only thread personality I know is barry.

>>718910059
Should I post the greentext describing who Stellafag is or the first two things the actually wrote?

>>718910120
Just give me the greentext.
All I know is that he wrote an entire thesis on some theory, but I am never gonna read that shit.

>>718910340
>be a normal anon poster
>post like it's a phpBB forum in 2005
>discuss Square RPGs and Xeno, and sometimes Sonic/SEGA games and Fire Emblem on the side
>someone won't stop comparing said RPGs unfavourably to FF15 and threatening other Nomura fans
>it's Barry
>try to reason with this person after he calls The World Ends With You a QTE game
>Barry won't change
>is somehow called based in TWEWY and Xeno threads
>expose a fake Versus leaker by entering his Discord
>out him as a Nazi
>get called the same name as the Nazi because they are associated with Versus
>begin namefagging
>Barry posts gorn and cp so jannies can quickly archive a thread
>they don't
>remind Barry a few days later he did that and asks him why he isn't in jail
>remind Barry he threatened to rape an FF fan who also likes Stella
>more bickering
>be so fed up with Barry's lies and slander against flawed but innocent Square Enix devs
>do an ungodly amount of research
>make a bunch of headcanon writeups
>post them a few times for fun before SoP and NEO launch
>gets excited for SoP and NEO
>fights Barry again
>realize Barry isn't worth it and then fucks off
>but then says 7R needs a Gambit system because his favorite FF FF12 used it to improve party AI before he disappears
>the headcanon writeups take off with a bunch of autists (my turn, I'm Jun Akiyama anon) called the Whispers of Stellafag
>those same autists ruin discussion of the Gambit system
>FF16 is said to have political intrigue mixed with dark anime tropes
>this appeals to the namefag's tastes directly almost 1:1
>Tokyo Team involvement
>FF16 launches
>FF15 fans are like Barry and hate 16
No wonder he doesn't post here anymore. You triggered him, Barry. You triggered Stellafag.

But Toriyama is subservient, Tabata excised, Nomura and Yoshida ascend, 7R has REMOVABLE Tactical Mode slowdown, 16 is Versus 2.0, SoP is kino. In time, Stellafag won.

He must not be forgotten. I kneel to the namefag. He did nothing wrong.

kh1 is a classic
kh2 is good
after that stop playing

>>718902282
2.8 seems like a terrible deal

>>718910542
it absolutely is. they set the price so high just to justify the price of the full collection.

>>718910340
>thesis
Stellafag is a Xenofag who fell into the Takahashi/Soraya SaGa trap of thinking games exist as thesis pieces, and liked the Versus 13 pitch Nomura made in those interviews years ago. Those same people who like Matsuno games because they have something to say instead of being fun games that first and foremost please the player which Nomura also said was bad in thise same interviews. He and Dreamboum are the same.

>>718891858 (OP)
Yes OP. It's overrated. Back then when it released it was decent but now it's just outdated. I'm talking about kh1 and 2 because the rest is utter trash. 3 isn't so outdated like the former since it was a Gen 8 game but still underwhelming. Not worth the price tag, wouldn't pay more than 10 bucks for this overrated sloppa just because squenix made it and Disney licensed shit. This is the sole reason for the price BTW.

>>718893804
>123 are the real thing the rest was just bad cashrab stuff
CoM is pretty much mandatory if you want to understand wtf is going on in 2

>>718910971
>Soraya SaGa
Why does that name (for once) sound familiar

>>718911562
Like many of the same people Nomura, Yoshida, Dreamboum, Stellafag and the other Whispers of Stellafag are propping up, Soraya SaGa is a SaGa dev hence the name.

>>718891858 (OP)
The first two games are great. Everything else is mediocre to bad.

>>718892061
Can agree. Kingdom Hearts is one of those games you have to play for a few hours and decide if you like it or not. If you do, it will be fully worth it. It's a Retro Classic, but eventually it will be a timeless classic.

>>718911906
She only worked on roma 3
Where did this autism even come from

>>718898608
If you liked platforming, 1 is perfect, if you like action gameplay 2 is great.

>>718898740
Days is worth the playthrough. I will die on that hill.

>>718913209
Kitase and Takahashi (and a second Tetsuya Takahashi) also worked on Roma 1, but no one's calling him a SaGa dev now is he. I'm more surprised Kawazu never tapped Nomura never got him.

>>718913225
2's combat is great but it's not like 1's combat is bad. I don't know why they felt like hiding the movement upgrades behind upgrading drive forms. That just makes it so that every level has to be pretty flat.

>>718913374
>second Tetsuya Takahashi
Oh my god he's real. He worked on SD2 and FFX.

>>718891858 (OP)
Only 1 and 2 are worth playing.
SE still hasn't topped the action combat system from 2. It might be the best Action RPG made, or at the very least in the top three.

>>718914085
3 was better

how good are the steam ports for all of those games?

>>718915642
1.5+2.5 is prone to crashing if you're not using the right settings and has badly upscaled textures that you can at least mod out. I recall the port of 3 being just fine.

>>718915763
didnt they recently update the textures?

>>718899041
BBS was made for a handheld by a different team, tiny screen plus inexperienced devs resulted in a lot of dull automation in the combat and incredibly poor balancing on the hardest difficulty.

KH2 is superior simply because of the Sephiroth boss fight
I guess Cloud looking like an edgelord with Vincent's cloak is also kino
Also speaking of Vincent, Dirge of Cerberus was peak, I don't care what the faggots here say, final stage with demon Vince flying while L' arc en Ciel plays was the best shit when I was a lad

>>718918293
Take the nostalgia glasses off KH2 aged like shit

>>718907298
>>718907456
>>718908043
Riku definitely looks older in KH3, I genuinely don't get people who think he looks younger outside of thinking long hair = old

>>718918341
Better than 3 faglord

>>718918589
Grow up man

>>718918656
>KH3 apologists ITT
stating the obvious that 3 is a pile of dog shit is commons sense that is greatly overshadowed by previous games specially 2
But I wouldn't expect common sense from a 3 shitter, cause if you had you wouldn't be playing it

>>718891858 (OP)
>Is this series overrated?
kind of yes. in the sense that KH1 and KH2 are two of the best games of all time but everything else ranges from mediocre to kinda bad.
>Is it still fun for someone who doesn't care about Disney characters?
depends, there are loads of cutscenes with Disney characters. so you either have to let them grow on you or skip cutscenes and ignore the story.
>$60 for everything seems like a good value but I've never played a single one of these games in my life.
Just buy 1.5+2.5, not the entire series. you should be able to get it for like 25 bucks which is great value for how good 1 and 2 are.

TLDR: KH2FM is the greatest AJRPG of all time, play it.

>>718918935
Nobody cares lol

>>718918341
>>718918589
it did not age like shit. i like KH1 more, but KH2 is incredible. on release, 3 was absolute dogshit. the narrative is unsalvageable, but at least the addition of critical and the (optional) removal of attractions made it somewhat digestable.

>>718918942
He should just emulate it for free

>>718918960
Cared enough to reply faggot
3 apologists really are braindead slop eating fags

>>718919170
Lol

>>718919114
if you're cool with 30FPS, lower res UI elements, the original midi soundtrack and the occasional minor graphical glitch then yeah, sure.
i played it on PCSX2 for retroachievements again not long ago but i'd prefer the Steam version now, especially with mods to fix shit like the poorly uprezzed textures.
PS4 version is also great. anything is fine really as long as you avoid PS3 (bad load times).

>>718891858 (OP)
The true evidence of how overrated Kingdom Hearts will be if Kingdom Hearts 4 sells well. After so many flaws if Kingdom Hearts 4 sells well then the series is overrated.

>>718919243
>30fps
Lossless scaling framegen can double that to 60 if there's no 60fps patch in pcsx2.
>Low res textures
HD texture packs exist
>Midi soundtrack
Superior OST
>Glitch
Set emulation accuracy to extreme or whatever.

See? Didn't spend a dime.

>>718919197
>Lol>>718919197

>>718899647
GOTEM!

Can some lorefag explain wtf happened now? I remember BbS is kinda the prequel of everything, then came all these spin off games who are canons and then KH3 didn't explain shit

>>718920072
As I understand it DDD ties pretty much every story thread together going into KH3.

>>718920072
3 makes no sense without DDD
and 4 won't make sense without the mobile games

>read KH thread
>remember I still don't have the platinum in KH1 on ps3
>remember that the difficulty mode trophies on 1.5 and 2.5 on ps3, and only on ps3, do NOT stack
Don't do this to me.

>>718921006
it doesn't actually take that long to play through kh1 if you skip most of the optional shit

>>718891858 (OP)
KH has never been overrated. Play each game on the highest difficulty level for maximum fun.

>>718915598
No it wasn't.

>>718901643
You can more than double the play time for 100% playthroughs, which you should because the extra bosses and side content's where the fun is.

>>718921095
It's CoM thats the real headache

>>718893059
and clean

>>718921095
>ps3 version
Now if only I could skip the load screens

>>718904218
oh I'd never tell anyone irl I enjoy Kingdom Hearts, that would reveal too much of my power level

>Is it still fun for someone who doesn't care about Disney characters?
No. Most of the games revolves around traveling to various Disney movie worlds and you experience an abridged version of the plot from those movies.
You get maybe a 3 minute cut scene that progresses the actual Kingdom Hearts plot after you finish one Disney world.

>>718904218
Same it filtered me as a kid and it filters me now.

>>718921239
Yes it was retard

Man, I think the last time I played a KH game was 4 years ago.
I used to play the shit out of them.

>>718922663
You grew up 4 years ago?

>>718921929
Nope.
Keep malding.

>>718922767
It was a success because KH4 is already within sight unlike KH2 which needed a gorillion extended cuts to fix it.

>>718922716
No faggot I just felt like I've played enough and I wanted to play the other games in my backlog

>>718922895
>KH4 is within sight
Buddy KH4 barely has any news.
I might pick it up if it doesn't come out woke and retarded

>>718922974
You need to be 18+ to post here little bro

>>718923037
I'm 27 buddy.
Go fuck off to the UK

>>718923030
>Disney money
I promise it will be woke, gay, and retarded.

>>718923101
Sure u are ototo-kun

>>718923109
That and the ethics department at Square.
That's why I'm going to wait a while after KH4 comes out to see if it's worth a purchase or not.
Personally I wish Kingdom Hearts would have just ended with 3

>>718891858 (OP)
I genuinely never grew up with Disney, and it’s still one of my favourite vidya franchises of all time.

It’s more like an FF game with combat that feels like a mashup between Souls, DMC and classic FF.

>>718923375
It should have ended at 2.

kh3 dlc bossfights were magnitudes better than the base game, i am going to give kh4 a chance

I do find it weird that KH1 ended up being one of the best games of all time despite having a premise that sounds like a trainwreck on paper and also Square being very inexperienced with 3D action games aside from The Bouncer and Vagrant Story.

How did they pull it off?

>>718923629
The power of teenager angst and Disney slop

>>718891858 (OP)
It is the most cringe inducing shit I've ever played. I couldnt stomach playing past 2 hours. Im certain if I played any second longer it would have turned me into gay faggot tranny furry like every kingdom cringe fan.

>>718923629
>aside from The Bouncer and Vagrant Story.
are you really going to forget about threads of fate/dewprism?

>>718891858 (OP)
It's final fantasy for babies to indoctrinate them into the squeenix cult.

how do the pc versions stack up versus just emulating?

>>718891858 (OP)
If you look at the story in this games like flavoring rather than the main ingirdient you will enjoy them.
On harder difficulties the games legit feel like a stylish action game similar to DMC and even harder than any souls-like.

>>718891858 (OP)
kys shill

>>718924490
OP here just pirate it
Now what?

>>718923629
by taking emphasis away from 3D action and focusing on slower more thoughtful combat where positioning is key and every whiff is a critical error.

>>718924449
>If you look at the story in this games like flavoring rather than the main ingirdient you will enjoy them.

But story is a huge part of why people like these games. It’s a rare series where people heavily praise both the story and the gameplay.

>>718924993
>It’s a rare series where people heavily praise both the story and the gameplay.
you're a fucking retard

Gameplay is aite but story and characters are FUCKING CRINGE

>>718925052
Back in the 2000s, most of the fanbase discussion was centred around the story rather than the gameplay. It was only with the rereleases that people looked back and said that the gameplay was underrated too.

>>718924275
For mainline games before 3 PC version is superior to any western releases. For spinoffs it's a tossup, see: >>718904975

3 itself comes packed with the ReMind DLC so it's more of a value thing than anything else. If your PC can handle it, it's the same quality as the console version.

>>718925147
back in the 2000s everybody praised the gameplay and said the plot was passable. And then KH2 came out and everybody was pissed that there was no plot outside of like 3 worlds. It's only gotten worse since then.
You are an underaged faggot. Stop acting like you were there.

>>718925091
/thread

>>718904975
>>718925167
>>>>>>>(POWER GAP)>>>>>>>SWITCH
is it really that bad?

>>718925397
Switch version isn't a game it's access to a cloud service that you can remotely play a game.

>>718925397
They're STREAMED, not even natively played.

I'm here to lash out at everyone who isn't positive enough about 3. Nomura must be protected.
Remember: everything is Disney's fault.

>>718924275
PC versions are undeniably the best iteration of each game.
Chain of Memories and Re:Chain of Memories are fundamentally different games, former being on GBA and latter being on every modern system. They're both jank as all fuck but Re:CoM is at least more pallatable.
>but coded and days
utter wastes of time. coded is an alright iteration of the command deck gameplay but there's already 2 other games in the collection that'll make you sick of the system.

should i pull the trigger...

>>718925827
>fell for it again award
lol
lmao
rofl even

Kingdom Hearts 3 was worth every dollar to reach Yoko's magnum opus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tu2E_fuABE

But then, I played these games as they came out. I don't know if it would hit the same for someone who is just now getting in.

>>718925315
Then explain why so many forum discussions were about the story.

>>718926131
>Yoko's magnum dong
Stop being a faggot for 5 seconds holy fucking shit

>>718925397
>ps3>>>>ps2
I don't even particularly like the ps3 version but this is just false.

>>718925827
No. Only 1.5 and 2.5. Buy 3 physical on ps4 for $3.

>>718927294
The load times really are bad but I'm assuming they mean the English patched Final Mix versions on emulator? Because vanilla PS2 KH1 has unskippable cutscenes and vanilla PS2 KH2 only has Proud Mode which is fucking awful. Also, the PS3 versions have some random glitches that only speedtrannies care about due to lazy porting.

>>718892061
It's cringe-kino or kino with cringe

>definitive version
>STILL have to mod the game for jp voice actors

>>718898561
I enjoyed 1, but I replayed it again recently and remembered how fucking awful the camera was. Way too many times I found myself making blind or half blind jumps because the camera refused to let me look at where I was going.

>>718928129
>Disney characters in jap
Puke emoji

What the fuck is wrong with Square? (I will NEVER recognize Enix)

Just do a soft reboot. Call it "Kingdom Hearts" no 4.

Go back to basics with Sora, Riku, Kairi and some Utada Hikari song on the Island.

They will never do this but I will bet you it would sell an insane amount of numbers. Most millennials have nostalgia for this game and it's one of those rare franchises that has a 50/50 split in gender fanbase like animal crossing, zelda games and the like. They could sell like gangbusters if they did this.

I can’t believe goofy fucking dies in kh2

>>718929178
Yeah and then he was replaced by an evil Doppelganger like in Twin Peaks; that's how all the bad guys know where he is and what he's up to at all times, not whatever gay shit they made up in Dream Drop Distance.

>>718926174
I thought all the forum threads were homoerotic shipping discussion, mostly centered around Sora and Riku

the remix soundtrack for 1.5 sucks ASS holy shit

>>718898786
I wonder how Walt would've reacted to KH. He would've been excited about vidya and 3D graphics. But he was kind of autistic about crossovers and he may have had a stronger hand in shaping the narrative. I can see him still supporting the decision to not make Mickey the MC.

>>718930920
He would absolutely love KH, I’d bet. A wholesome light versus darkness story is exactly something he could get behind. Plus, he didn’t shy away from the kind of darker themes that KH explores either.

He’d think that the KH was a masterpiece, but that the state of modern Disney is something to be ashamed of.

>>718892061
I loved KH1 and the begining of KH2 but once I'm done with the tutorial in KH2 I lose all motivation to keep playing for some reason.

>>718930790
Relistening to the KH OST now, I never realized how much it sounded exactly like SMRPG and Legend of Mana for non-battle music and Front Mission for the action/battle music.

>>718931490
After the prologue of KH2, there’s a long stretch of filler as you reenact the Disney movie plots of various worlds, and you don’t get much meaningful story progression after that until Space Paranoid. Meanwhile, KH1 has very little filler, almost all the filler that IS there is optional.

It just comes down to the fact that KH1 is a far better paced game than KH2.

Data Twilight Town > Destiny Islands as a prologue however, despite the fact that they’re both fantastic prologues.

>>718931197
>A wholesome light versus darkness story is exactly something he could get behind
yes

>>718891858 (OP)
gameplay's solid, narrative is absolutely retarded but more "we'll put it on the fridge" retarded then anything

>>718932142
Not sure what point you’re trying to make, but the co-existence and balance between light and darkness is a core Masonic tenant, and it’s an idea KH preaches.

Something I feel people underappreciate about KH is how heavily steeped in real world occultism it is through allegory.

>>718932527
>the co-existence and balance between light and darkness is a core Masonic tenant, and it’s an idea KH preaches
yes

>>718925827
Yes they're all worth buying

>>718932351
You play jrpgs for the story and it sucks
>>718932906
No they're not nigger

>>718934535
damn this nigga is retarded

>>718934679
Damn this nigga sucks cocks

>>718891858 (OP)
Do you like Final Fantasy? The Golden Age FF4-FF10? I liked the first KH game because I was a FF fan back then. You don't have to be a Disney fan. It was still funny to recognize Disney characters, though.

At least the first KH game was just solid Hollywood slop.

>>718936370
Yeah but I hate Disney

>>718936464
I hate Disney too, especially nowadays. But for me, KH was tolerable in the same way those old SNES Disney games were tolerable. But if you play KH as a FF fan, for you it should still be amusing to find the FF characters and see how they've been handled in this feverdream series. The first KH at least was fun, I haven't played the others and can't recommend them.

>>718936370
>At least the first KH game was just solid Hollywood slop

I’d say that KH1 is less like Hollywood and more like a classic children’s adventure novel brought to life. Think stuff like Alice in Wonderland, The Wizard of Oz, or Narnia.

>>718936464
KH feels more like old school golden age Disney with its more fairytale-esque vibe with darker atmosphere. It doesn’t go for the kind of Broadway musical vibe that the Reinaissance era has.

Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty.

https://youtu.be/1X8hu6Yd7GI?si=utTavUracdPFBDx9

HOLY FUCKING SOUL

>>718891858 (OP)
>Is it still fun for someone who doesn't care about Disney characters?
It can be. People do that but it's more enjoyable if you do like Disney movies. They're part of the SOUL of KH.

>>718891858 (OP)
>Is this series overrated?
Story? Yes, easily. Nomura should either stop writing (the only game where his writing is decent was Days, the very first KH game he wrote story for) or finally get an editor to filter his garbage.
Gameplay? It varies, but mainline titles (even III) are much better than sidegames in that regard (even if CoM on GBA and Coded on DS are okay).
Music? Not a big fan of modern Shimomura (aka post-2010 or so) with her going ham on violins, but it's still Shimomura and her new stuff (as is not old tracks but remixed) is still nice. My issue is that a lot of tracks are beng written by Ishimoto and Sekito, and their styles don't really work that well with this series.
Voice acting? Eh, the quality of EN one kinda dropped with years (Terra and Aqua were always bad and Riku kinda stopped trying by KH3) but many EN voice actors are still great and all JP ones are just as good as they were.
Graphics? KH1 looked VERY GOOD in 2002 on PS2, but it kinda stopped looking impressive after hitting handheld console sidegame hell, and KH3 varies from world to world (some look fantastic like Toy Box and Carribean, some look plastic and not in a good way)
>Is it still fun for someone who doesn't care about Disney characters?
It doesn't affect the gameplay, but you will probably get bored by every post-KH1 Disney world being either a short recap of its movie or some boring OC story on par with some cheap fanfics (the second visit in Pride Lands was so, so bad).
>$60 for everything seems like a good value but I've never played a single one of these games in my life.
Yeah, I bought it on PS4 for even better sale (like 80% off) and it's probably worth it just for free mainline titles (although I forgot if DLC for 3 is included here, if not then it's still worth it for KH1 and KH2)

>>718891858 (OP)
Got it for much cheaper on Epic months before it released on Steam cause I assumed they would never put it there. Kinda still wish I waited, was a pain getting it to run on my Steam Deck, mostly because you can't play the game offline without tweaks. Fucking retarded

>>718891858 (OP)
You could've just pirated the entire series already.

>>718898740
https://github.com/vitor251093/KHMelonMix

how have you never played them? have you played final fantasy games? have you seen dizzle? what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>718898769
I mean, fucking FFXII has never been under 20 bucks on Steam.
Fuck SE.

>>718898769
Square never drops the price below a 50% discount for their main series

>>718925691
For CoM i'd give the no to the GBA version just becase the system as such doesn't really work in 3D. Re:CoM has voiced cutscenes going for it and that's about it so unless you want to hear Asuka (same VA as Larxene) there's not much going for it.

Never played 3. The thing I care the most about in KH is the music, did Shimomura nailed 3's soundtrack?

>>718891858 (OP)
You can emulate literally all of these games. They are not worth $40.

>>718945068
Pretty sure the entire steam releases can be pirated. Why emulate when you can have the ports, unless you really want to play the originals.

>>718945068
i'd say that 1+2 is easily worth 40€ even if I don't like 2 hat much. >>718945498 all the 60fps hacks come with issues and stretched UI elements. Pirating a PC release is probably the best solution if you really don't want to pay.
>>718944753
Not really, much of the soundrack was remixes from earlier tracks.

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>>718946454
I just noticed 3 is in there too it would be worth it. But I swear I saw 3 sold separately for like $50 so they are clearly trying to pull a fast one on some people.

Do the games come with the JP Audio? The Steam page says as much, but somehow I'm doubtful. And if so, is it for all the games?
It looks like it only has the EN audio and the JP audio, but considering I didn't grew up with Disney movie in EN, as I'm no anglo, I don't have any nostalgia regarding the Disney movie dubs that would make me play KH in EN.
Therefore I might as well use the JP one.

>>718948282
They seem to be on grander sales on playstation systems just to rub salt into the wounds of retards like me who bought a PS3 in anticipation of PS3.

>>718948385
Play in English. KH is one of the rare series with an actually good dub; the whole reason the series got dual audio starting with KH3 is because a lot of japs got used to and preferred the english voice acting in the director's cut versions of the PS2 games, which were locked to EN for budget reasons.

The only games where the dub has issues are Re:CoM and Re:Coded (because they didn't bother reanimating the cutscenes to fit the English dub, leading to some slightly stilted dialog because it needs to match the Jap lipsync) and 3D (It's mostly fine, but they tried to get HJO to sound younger by pitching him up and it's pretty noticable for the first few hours)

>>718948385
They have JP text & audio but only both together so no japanese audio while playing with english script.

Thanks anons

>>718948839
3 is pretty bad when it comes to the dub, especially Riku. And I don't really know why it is so because earlier on I haven't really had an issue with the dub but the directing in 3 was just weird and shit.

>>718891858 (OP)
>Sale
>40%
LOL, LMAO

>>718891858 (OP)
Its plot is basically retellings of disney movies for most of it until the OC dudes show up. However the OC parts of the plot are a web of nonesense terms that are more abstracted to expand their definition like light, darkness, heart
Theres eventually time travel stuff very convoluted plot and kinda cringe at times.

The gameplay is great tho, i'd reccomend watching some combat gameplay and if you like the look of the gameplay then that will carry the game more than enough to make up for the cringe.

>>718904975
Technologically inept retardation.

>>718892517
The game is still permenantly tied to your play data.

>>718949339
my what now

>>718898908
Don't watch the movies in game it skips all gameplay so you miss out on alot of context
Like the Xion death scene you dont even get to see what her boss form even looked like. they dont make an animation for any of the gameplay segments they just get straight up skipped.

>>718892061
That's wrong though. I played KH1 and 2 last year. The start of KH1 is fucking dreadful, especially trying to find Donald and Goofy in the town and the Tarzan level, but then it picks back up.

>>718949552
>>718898908
Watch a playthrough on youtube instead, much better than watching the movies in the bundle

>>718949630
that's just wrong though i don't know what fucking game you've been playing

>>718949386
You know how steam spys on what game your playing and then permenantly adds things like playtime, achievements, trading cards etc.

>>718896607
>Then it came out and it was kind of ass.
KHIII was perfectly fine, and about as good as any other KH game (which is to say, pretty good but with a number of flaws).

The problem is the hype cycle. From official announcement we waited 6 years, which is already quite a while, but most fans were waiting "13 years" and had been hyping up the then-hypothetical Kingdom Hearts III to mythical proportions long before it actually existed.
KHIII could have been a flawless masterpiece and people still would have been called a disappointment, because the expectations had gone so far out of hand.

This shit happens all the time. Happened with FFXV, happened with The Last Guardian, it'll probably happen to Silksong and GTA6 too.

>>718949112
I dunno, Riku's performance is the only one that stands out as bad. All the villains do a good job, HJO gives one of his best Sora performances, and both Xehanorts are great. Hell, Gallagher's performance isn't even wholly bad; his Data Riku is great, it's just his normal Riku that sucks.

>>718949720
Blind playthrough how long do you think destiny islands would take? Including cutscenes.
Alot of that 2 hour refund period will get spent up by destiny island and then traverse town.

I doubt theyre even getting to tarzan within the first 2 hours if its their first playthrough and theyre watching the cutscenes.

>>718949329
That image was made back when PCSX2 had hardcoded input lag that couldn't be fixed unless you were using a handful of really specific controllers. It's been fixed since.

>>718949913
I can't really start it up for a first time again to say an hourmark but I can vividly remember that it was never dreadful.

>>718949959
No.
It was because of an obtuse setting (called "Vsyncs in MTGS Queue") with no real explanation that would inexplicably add 2 frames of delay constantly because it was set to 2. Setting it to 0 would resolve literally all input lag, regardless of what controller or version of Lilypad was used.
The SPU plugins also had unnaturally high latency set by default, backing it off to 10-20ms would also fix that lag.

>>718899647
Tempted to use this because I've already gotten all of the Trophies for the KH series on PS3 and PS4
I already did KH1 and Re:CoM but a third of the way through BbS I just didn't want to fucking do that shit again

>>718949913
Thinking a bit it likely takes around 2 hours depending on how much they want to get accustomed to sora's movement. There aren't that many cutscenes there, nor are there into entirety of 1 but of course the great filter of "it is I ansem, the seeker of darkness" is remembered.

>>718950634
you could also be normal and not give a shit about trophies and whatnots

>>718898740
I did, back when they released and a couple times each in the following years.

Waiting for Melon Mix to be finished before I do another playthrough of either.

>>718891858 (OP)
The original appeal of the game for me was final fantasy 7- 8 characters on ps2. Oh and action rpg combat when nothing else had it. I actually disliked most of disney worlds and the overall plot is famous for being incredibly shit...

So I guess no it is not worth any money.

When i got the collection i planned to get every single achievements despite how ass some are, but I was unable to even play ReCom because it just crashed immediately so i had to look for a PS3 ROM and Emulator

Luckily i was able to fully play it that way to get the Trophies and using SAM to give me the respective achievement the moment i got a Trophy

>>718898769
Welcome to digital games.
Physical games depreciate in value because stores have limited inventory and shelf space. One way or another, their stock has to go.
Digital storefronts have no such concern, and so there is no reason to reduce the price. They can offer sales for a quick shot of extra revenue off an old game, but they're not dropping the base price.

>>718891858 (OP)

I bought this collection around this price, and it ran perfectly fine on my non-gaming laptop.

I'm surprised it isn't being ported to Switch 2 and sold for $99.99. Maybe a collector's edition for $149.99. With some crappy acrylics and keychains and postcards.

>>718899991
They ran fine on PS3.
The biggest issue was the load times, which was down to a hardware difference that couldn't be overcome.
A lot of the performance issues showcased in that video were not at all common and are likely due to problems with his PS3 specifically.

>>718950095
No not dreadful but if you
A) Dont know where the items Kairi asks for are already you'll have to look abit.
B) New players are probably gonna talk to the characters, fight tidus, wakka, selfi and riku
C) Theres the intro cutscene, theres the cutscene the night before the heartless show up, theres the cutscene with riku
The cutscene with ansem kairi and the door then the introduction to goofy donald micky cutscene, the travis town cutscene etc
2 hours is 120 minutes so even at short lengths of say 2 minutes each say 5 cutscenes would take up 10 minutes of your refund window.

I dont really see them getting past the Guard Armour in 120 minutes on a first playthrough.

>>718903519
>DDD (which is pointless if you have a hacked 3ds because 3ds games are free,)
But DDDHD is an objectively better experience in every way

>>718951092
>Physical games depreciate in value
They go up and down depending on year released, current year and current supply/demand

Often physical games will go down in price but then go back up once that generation is over
Like if you try buying ps3 games now some of them are cheap, some of them are super expensive
But I betya so long as its not a sports title that a pre owned ps3 game will probably run you as much if not more than a ps4/ps5 game from 3 years ago

>>718929162
>just reboot the franchise for no reason and call it the same name as the first game
Ah yes, the thing that people love every time it happens

>>718950742
I normally don't but KH is my favorite franchise and it bothers me to have copies of the game with incomplete achievements

>>718951534
>They go up and down depending on year released, current year and current supply/demand
On the secondhand market.
From original retailers this is not the case.

>>718952001
Also mine and that is why I want wo leave it at 1. (2 if you must)

>>718904975
>guy who draws all the disgusting barafag art is also a kingdom hearts fan
of course

>>718952001
KH1 is also probably my favourite game of all time and just generally an impeccable game of game fdesign altogether.

>>718952906
You need to be 18+ to post here

>>718953098
Oh I'm 37. KH1 is impeccable in its enemy and environment design. It's peers are left lacking and that is why it's still discussed.

>>718953235
I was joking. Anyone who played KH1 is way over the age of 18.

>>718952906
>generally an impeccable game
OK we don't need to go that far
It's not hard to see the many, many problems in KH1's design

Should I just download a KH2FM ISO if I want to mess with the randomizer? Both the first and second games look like they make for fun randomizers, but I've only played them on console.

>>718953385
Do try to tell how sans FM 2 is better

>>718953395
The randomizers are compatible with the PC releases
I'm actually not sure if/how you can set it up for emulator
The KH1 randomizer is fine. Feels a little hacked-together. KHII rando is a lot more fully-featured and the game in general is more suited to randomized play in my opinion.

>>718953663
Where did I say a goddamn thing about KHII, you insecure fuck

>>718953724
1 with random boss orders just looked funny to me. I've been debating on buying the games on PC since all I'd really want out of it is modding it, I've played the games to death on the original releases for the games, PS3 rerelease, and PS4 releases, so something like the randomizer or the DMC Roxas mod looked like they were worth trying.

>>718953663
>got a problem with my favorite game? you must be a stan for the other one

>>718954815
Zinventing arguments out of his ass.

>>718952063
I remember when gamestores were opening copys of xenoblade chronicals in 2013 so they could sell the used copy above rrp

>>718952708
>guy who draws all the disgusting barafag art
qrd?

>>718891858 (OP)
I only ever played kh1 and kh2 but the lore is so convoluted and stupid that I feel like I didn't miss anything.
Is there anything really worth playing here?

>>718955632
1 and 2 are good fun games I don't care about anythiung else

I wanted to get back into the series and play KH2, but I lost access to my Epic Games account. It's only been two days since I submitted a request to recover it, but I haven't gotten a response. The Steam releases came out just a few months after I bought the games too. Considering double dipping.

Use melon mix to play Days and Recoded, it's a custom emulator build that turns them into proper console releases.

>>718927352
how do I mod kh3 on ps4?

>>718955632
>the lore is so convoluted
If you're not drunk or retarded and you play the games in release order there is nothing convoluted about the plot

>>718923629
As much as I love the man Nomura was still put on a leash since it was his directorial debute and disney wasn't as far up its own ass like today.

>>718939486
>Riku kinda stopped trying by KH3)
Which I find weird since his data battle quotes are up there with GET UP ON THE HYDRA'S BACK and DANCE WATER DANCE.

>>718957396
That's bullshit. There's a huge amount of backstory that the series relies on you to understand between installments.

>>718958112
No? Again, if you play in release order, everything is explained fine until KH3 busts out the weird mobage shit, and even then it's easy enough to follow if you watched Back Cover.

>>718955632
>the lore is so convoluted and stupid that I feel like I didn't miss anything.
The lore is "convoluted" because you hear bits and pieces of it out of context from games you never played.

>>718956420
when will melon mix be completed? is it in a playable state right now? i would like to play re:coded again, but i don't want to do it with melon mix if it isn't "complete".

>>718958904
It's completely playable, as it's literally just a modified MelonDS running the .nds file
What they're working on isn't functionality, but usability and QoL

>>718959249
That's cool anon thx

>>718904218
Game reeks of "the real treasure were the friends we made along the way". Even when I played these games as a young teenager who loved playing "baby games" I thought that the writing in these games were very cringe.

>>718959249
yes, but are the QOL improvements good yet? is it in a state that is polished enough to choose as the playing method over actually playing it on a DS or on an emulator?

>>718961263
If you aren't doing any of the cutscene or BGM replacement then it should be pretty seamless. There might be a couple menus that look a little off but that's about it, I think.