Thread 718918102

Why does David Cage get so much more shit around here than Hideo Kojima?
>both "autuers"
>comparable levels of autism
>both have long cutscenes - Kojima especially
>both have convoluted, nonsensical plots
>both push the limits of graphical fidelity - hell, Indigo Prophecy from the PS2 era still looks pretty good
Is it a weeb thing? I don't get it.

Because you touch yourself at night.

>>718918102 (OP)
kojima's games have actual decent gameplay. still, kojima doesn't get enough shit for ridiculously long cutscenes totaling 10+ hours per game

he was the original movie game creator

Most anons don't even know who David Cage is

>>718918102 (OP)
because the ugly baguettenigger is a fucking retard and Kojima is the goatest dev there ever was

>>718918102 (OP)
Kojima's games are fun and interesting. Cage plagiarizes in just about each game he has produced and they are all garbage as well.

>>718918185
>decent gameplay
Guns of the Patriots had about 20 minutes of actual gameplay. Death Stranding is a literal walking simulator.

>>718918314
what about MGSV? literally the best gameplay in any 3rd person game ever made

What happened to David cage? His games are kino.

>>718918440
isn't that faggot still working on that Star Wars game?

>>718918243
>(((david))) cage
>french
kek

>>718918102 (OP)
Cage is unapologetic coomer and I appreciate him for that. Yes, his writing were dog shit, but I can look past that

David Cage makes glorified choose-your-own-adventure games where the majority of your gameplay consists of QTEs, dialogue choices, and walking around.

Kojima makes, in most cases, third-person shooters with extremely detailed stealth mechanics.

Both include ridiculously long cutscenes, heavy handed themes, and awkward storytelling with moments of quality seen sporadically. But Kojima actually makes games you play. You fight enemies, stealth through areas, kill bosses, and have a significant amount of freedom in the way you tackle situations. David Cage's games basically just allow you to choose which scene you see and at what times you do QTEs. That's it.

>>718918491
retarded nigger, you can even hear the accent in his ugly voice

>>718918575
>(((david))) cage
>french
kek

>>718918189
David Cage won

>>718918185
>movie game
This label is bullshit. Games like GOW 2018 or TLOU are movie games because the cutscenes and gameplay are intertwined, so you can't skip them. All of MGS's dialogue is contained within skippable cutscenes and Codec conversations. Movie game =/= game with lots of long cutscenes. HL2 is more of a "movie game" than any Metal Gear

>>718918672
Phoneposter site, deal with it, bitch. Also this shithole is way more comfy to browse on phone, the desktop layout is headache inducing faggot shit

>>718918314
>Guns of the Patriots had about 20 minutes of actual gameplay
Thats 20 minutes more than the QTE simulators cage has put out.

I'm a huge David Cage aficionado (In the sense that I am very interested in him and played all his games) and comparing him with Kojima is fucking laughable

In 1998, Kojima released Metal Gear Solid. An excellent stealth game with a pretty fun story.
In 1999, David Cage released Omikron, a highly ambitious high concept pile of shit. Jank of the biggest kind.

In 2004, Kojima released Metal Gear Solid 3. One of the best games of all time, coming off of Metal Gear Solid 2, another masterpiece with an incredible plot.
In 2005, David Cage released Indigo Prophecy, a "game" that had immense potential and a really good first two chapters and then falls into absurdity, retarded Matrix ripoffs and French "auteur" insanity of the cringe kind. I love this "game" and I love it because it's fucking terrible.

In 2008, Kojima released MGS 4. In 2010, he released Peace Walker. Both huge piles of shit.
In 2010, David Cage released Heavy Rain, another "game" that had immense potential and even some fun moments but ended up also shitting itself by the end. This one took longer than Indigo Prophecy to shit itself, but it's also not as funny how it did it.
Kojima and Cage were comparable at this specific point of time. Kojima was at his lowest, so he approaches Cage status. Even then, MGS 4 and Peace Walker have actual gameplay.

In 2014, Kojima released Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes and P.T., two very short but very fun games that showed immense potential for the future.
In 2013, David Cage released Beyond: Two Souls, one of the most boring "games" ever made. Nothing good to say about this garbage.

In 2019, Hideo Kojima released Death Stranding. This game is not my cup of tea, but it is undeniably soulful.
In 2018, David Cage released Detroit: Become Human. This "game", despite sharing a lot of the flaws from the previous games, is actually genuinely fun and enjoyable mostly unironically.
They're once again briefly comparable.

>>718918813
I would love for Cage to revisit Omikron with todays advancements in technology.

>>718918732
>This label is bullshit.
Nah its accurate they're literally movies you can skip, the shit they do today is cinematic gaming where you're forced to hold forward during a "cinematic" scene, that anon is erroneously conflating the two.

Why isn't Eric Chahi more popular than Cage in France?

>>718918813
That was all of Cage's games and only some of Kojima's games. Kojima's peaks are higher. Cage's nadirs are lower. Kojima's average is way higher. Kojima is more consistent and has produced way more. Simply put, Kojima is on another planet and Cage would need to release another 3 "games" on the level of Detroit (Assuming Kojima does fuckall in the meantime) to even enter the conversation of genuine comparison. Which is most certainly not happening, because while Kojima just released Death Stranding 2 and is already working on OD and Physint, David Cage has been begging for job applications for his Star Wars game for half a decade straight now, to no success because the Frenchies don't want to work for him.

Heavy Rain was one of the few games I dropped because of terrible writing. I couldn't get pass the kid walking out the mall with no explanation as to why he did so. Shit that happens only to progress the story is trash writing and it was a major event which only made the act even more egregious. No hints to the kid being retarded or getting lost. He just fucking leaves the mall and gets hit by a slow moving car which hit Ethan first. Retarded ass game.

>>718918813
I never realized how in-sync Kojima and Cage were. Death Stranding 2 just released so that means we're getting a Cage game next year. What's he working on anyways? That Star Wars game?

>>718919108
Yeah but last we heard, Disney forced him to remake the game because not woke enough.

>>718919108
See: >>718918991

>>718918813
based effort frog poster

>>718919027
>jason
>jason!
>JASON
>shaun, shaun, shaun, shaun, shaaaaaaaaaaun, shaun, shauuuuuuuuuuuuun
Apologize.

>>718918991
It's a shame that star wars game is gonna end up being vaporware cause it could be a lot of fun
I'm interested in what the QD guys that left and are with Chris Avellone are working on, though

>>718918987
Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I don't know of any other games from that dev besides the ones you posted. To which, two of those games are old as shit. One was, what, on the Xbox 360?

Cage has been making games since at least 1999, with the most recent game having released in 2018. I don't know if Eric Chahi has kept up with releases, but it's certainly easier to overtake someone in popularity when you make some big name game every couple years.

>>718918732
MGS 4 is a movie game far more than any Naughty Dog game.

>>718918991
Kojima has a better technical team, that's it.
All of the games conceived 100% by Kojima are complete garbage, if you exclude visuals and performance.

>>718918185
No Kojima game has 10 hours of cutscenes, stop pulling shit our of your ass

>>718919397
You can play the entire game without watching a single cutscene or listening to a single Codec conversation. You could speedrun MGS4 without glitches in less than 2 hours (in fact, there's an in-game reward for doing so so it's not just speedrunner autism). TLOU world record is 3 hours and I'm sure it's almost entirely walking and talking

>>718919027
When you become a parent, you'll quickly realize kids just wander off with no real regard for danger and it's incredibly lucky that so many manage to live into adolescence.

>>718918314
Yeah but death stranding has good gameplay

>>718919396
>To which, two of those games are old as shit. One was, what, on the Xbox 360?
lol I only recognize the bottom left which was a ps1 game

Ridiculous comparison. Kojima currently has the record for the longest working video game creator ever while this other guy made 4 literal movies only trannies like

>>718919601
>while this other guy made 4 literal movies only trannies like
Describing Kojima

>>718918102 (OP)
David Cage
>Always delivers
Kojima
>Death Shitting
>MGSV
>MGS4
>Such a big hack people think MGS1-3's cowriter is the real reason some of his games were decent

>>718919637
Kojima made way more than 4 games and they are all kino tho

>>718919534
Kids dont mindlessly walk outside the place they are in and cross the street to go to who knows where. Jason was 10. He was too old to be doing shit that stupid as his age.

>>718919670
He made four games.
>Metal Gear (repeat*a billion)
>Snatcher
>Policenauts
>Death Stranding (repeat*2)
And only trannies like them.

>>718919702
You vastly overestimate the intelligence and reasoning of a child.

>>718918102 (OP)
David Cage is a fraud larping as what Kojima actually is.

>>718919703
All 10 million people who bought MGS2 and MGSV were trannies huh

>>718919703
Im gonna ender you in the zone you little bitch.

>>718918102 (OP)
I've never been disappointed by a Kojima game half-way through. His games maintain a consistent level of quality, writing and gameplay. Anyone who likes the first hour of a Kojima game, will enjoy the last hour as well.
David Cage games on the other hand start with interesting premises, characters and environments that really draw me in to the story and world, and then several hours into the game Cage consistently shits the bed with some of the worst writing known to man. These games could have been so fucking good, but they weren't.

>>718919737
I was a latchkey kid and kept a knife on me for stranger danger.

>>718919252
>>718919650
Heavy Rain was almost there too.. But that and Hank and Conner has got me thinking that Cage's strength lends better to mystery/ detective dramas. Wish he'd stay in that lane.

>>718919860
>will enjoy the last hour as well.
Well except for mgs2 anyway, went from a game about taking out weirdo terrorists to some random bullshit about technology that I didn't give a fuck about.

>>718918102 (OP)
Kojima wants to skinwalk American auters
Cage is just specifically skinwalking Shyamalan

>>718919943
the game starts with you blowing up a piece of big technology, remember?

>>718919860
This is actually a good point. Even with Kojima's worst games, I typically enjoy the latter half or at least the ending sequences. Death Stranding is a great example. The game starts off slow as shit, absolutely dumps worldbuilding onto you every five seconds for 10+ minutes at a time, and only really teases plot points with weird, nonsensical scenes that barely make sense even after you've beaten the game.

But the last maybe 5 hours of that game? Immaculate. Amazing story telling, music, gameplay sequences, boss fights, set pieces, everything. Does it excuse some of the slog certain chapters are? That depends on who you ask, but I certainly came away happier than when I started.

David Cage games almost always start strong, then completely crash and burn halfway through. Indigo Prophecy is the best example. Absolutely phenomenal opening chapters that set the scene of playing cat and mouse with police while trying to figure out why the hell your character murdered a man. By the end you're kung-fu fighting a Mayan cultist in the air by mashing Simon Says QTEs, then trying to fight back against an AI's mind control vortex.

I'd always rather start a game feeling a bit underwhelmed than end a game angry/confused.

>>718919817
All the people who liked them were.
>>718919837
He didn't make that game.

>>718920130
Yeah we stopped the threat that doesn't mean I need an hour long lecture about how playing call of duty transforms teenagers into seal team 6.

>>718918694
Damn you CAGE and your Omikron game

What is it with Cage and always putting in degenerate fathers into his games

>>718919917
That and kept the cast/story focused. I get that he likes splitting the story up between different perspectives and characters, but it always results in some parts of the story that are great, and some that are atrocious. Connor's story was genuinely an 8/10 to me. The other two characters, maybe a 4/10 during the better moments.

Like you said, if he made a game focused on maybe a detective and their partner, kept the story about that duo alone, and really doubled down on mystery/putting together clues, it'd be phenomenal. My favorite part of Quantic Dreams' games is always the moment where you have to put together pieces of information to make a conclusion, search a house for clues, and talk people down from life or death situations. Things a detective or cop story is all about. Just do that, keep it focused, and don't touch supernatural bullshit unless it's there from the get go.

>>718920309
The first sentence of the wikipedia article about the series says otherwise even though the source they use for that claim agrees with you.

>>718920432
It's the same reason there's almost always a scene depicting people with mental illnesses as being raving lunatics ready to strike, or a female character nearly getting raped.

The guy has tropes he gravitates towards. It's why he needs other writers and co-directors to help drag him away from the same shit every time.

Because Cage has NEVER made a good "game", is French (automatic penalty), and is way more of an annoying faggot than Kojima.

Kojima puts his bullshit in video games that are actually interesting to play

David Cage makes movies in video game form

>>718918102 (OP)
Because Cage has only made one good game, while Kojima has at least made 10.
The game is Omikron btw