Thread 718919574

>PS5 can maintain 30-60 fps

so what's the point of spending $3k on a PC?

>>718919574 (OP)
so you can play at 60 fps+, retard

even 60fps in the big 25 is crazy, for certain games that frame rate can be okay but it just feels so ancient.

>>718919664
all you need is 24 fps. anything above that is gravy

it literally looks worse than metal gear solid 5 did and mgs5 was open world too this is just small corridor shit unreal is famous for

>>718919574 (OP)
>PS5 can maintain 30-60 fps
>webm shows that it can't

How does a game which looks like THIS run at under 60 fps on a fucking performance mode?

>>718919574 (OP)
who cares? just enable frame gen

>>718919735
/thread

>>718919664
Not in MSG3 you can't :^)

>>718919735
THIS

WTF WHY IS FOX ENGINE BETTER THAN UNREAL ENGINE 5

ALL OF YOU ARE FUCKING JITS

>>718919574 (OP)
Consoles are still holding 60 fps like some sort of holy grail while average PC is now at 144 fps while esport faggots go up to 480 fps or more.

>QUICK TO THE UNREAL ENGINE 5
>WOOOOOOOOAHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAHHHHHH OH GOD OH GOD OH MY GOD

>>718919574 (OP)
Sony fanboys really give Sony a ton of money just to get subpar performance in most games. Free online and piracy on PC means we're getting better quality and for free

Nothing wrong with UE5, it is just incompetent devs who rely on blueprints to do everything because they only employ fresh from the coding gulag indians.

>>718920069
every dev keeps saying "UNREAL ENGINE 5.6 will fix everything" but we have yet to see any ue5.6 games today

Literally HOW do you make PS2 sized level to run this bad in 2025?

>>718920132
We won't see AAA UE5.6 game for the next 3-4 years.

STALKER 2 came out last year and it's using UE5.1, only earlier this month they announced they'll switch to UE5.5

UE5 is so bad that devs are going back to UE4. Not just indies, AAAs are. Stellar Blade is UE4. Wuthering Waves is UE4. etc.

it's pretty funny watching UE5 game after UE5 game bombing. I wonder how many it'll take until digital cuckdry gives up shilling it and all those companies that sacrificed their in-house engines and laid off the old guard regret those decisions.

>>718919574 (OP)
It can't maintain 60 fps. Maintaining 60 fps means maintaining 60fps. The frame rate is completely erratic here, not smooth at all. It's a choppy fucking mess. Do consolefags still not understand it being locked for them is what counts? you want 59.97 at all times.

>>718919735
>when MGSV came out /v/ considered its graphics to be typical blurry conosle stuff
>a decade later it's suddenly state of the art graphics

>>718920069
Then Epic themselves must be incompetent since even Fortnite has performance issues on UE5.

Not defending PCfags, but it's pretty sad you're defending the PS5 getting 30-50 FPS in performance mode. That's pretty bad actually if it's dipping that low in combat scenes. That means everytime you go into a battle you'll be getting massive FPS drops consistently and you won't even be getting 60 FPS, it'll be fluctuating between 30-50.

That's bad. It's a poorly optimized game and everyone knows it now, yet faggots will still drop $70 for it because it's KOJIMA MGS REMAKE AHHHH LE HYPEDDDD. The PC version I heard is just as shit, so it's an optimization issue, not a hardware issue. You'll just have to hope that they release hotfixes/patches for it that fix the framerate/stability because right now it's trash.

It also runs WORSE on the PS5 Pro.

>>718919574 (OP)
because i use my computer for more than just playing games you mongoloid retard

left: decima engine 4k
right: unreal engine 5 upscaled from 1440p

>>718920353
I worry that the game will flop because of these known issues and then Konami will say
>Looks like there’s no place for MGS in the 2020’s. Back to gacha and pachinko!

>>718920482
Given 30fps is enough for 3d and 4k is a meme it seems fine.

>>718920534
ps5 = 6700xt
4k decima gets 35fps
1440p unreal 5 gets below 20fps

>>718919574 (OP)
>so what's the point of spending $3k on a PC?
Bureautic.
Specialized software for professionals.
Emulation.
Playing videogame at 4K/144fps.
Virtualization.
Better input systems.
Better modding support.
More accessible piracy.
Remote desktop
...

>>718920482
GRIM

>>718920482
>/v/eddit will defend this

>>718920568
With orders of magnitude higher fidelity.
>ps5 = 6700xt
Misses the entire point of coding to the metal on consoles. Carmack was right you know.

This may shock you but you can also do PC stuff on a PC

>>718920696
ps5 is always slower than pc due to cpu bottleneck. its a zen2 chip running downclocked. 6700xt pcs are using am5

>>718920696
RETARDED FUCKING UNDERAGED IDIOT GO BACK TO TWITTER BITCH.

>>718920696
Shut Up Unreal Engine 5 Nigger

>>718919574 (OP)
> maintain 30-60 fps
>in the entire webm FPS reaches 60 twice for a millisecond each
How is this maintaining 60 in any way? It almost dips below 30 during the explosion. I play most games at stable 120FPS in 1440p but I would be even okay with playing at a lower rate if the FPS remains STABLE. I play certain games in 4k / 60 FPS on my 50''ish big ass monitor if I want the couch console experience from my PC. But it has to be STABLE. There's is nothing worse than unstable FPS rates like this horseshit webm.

Any word out on how the PC version preforms btw?

>>718920781
>>718920819
Stay mad that your GTX 1650 is obsolete.

>>718919574 (OP)
Doesn't Konami have their own engine? What's the point of using UE5?

>>718921025
i guess it's easier? they think it's better? idk desu

>>718921025
>What's the point of using UE5?
Easier to outsource more work to jeets.

>>718919574 (OP)
Piracy, old aaa games, indie shit

>>718921025
Everyone who knew how to handle the engine took off to work in Kojima's company. But Konami holds the right to the engine so Kojima productions had to start over and utilized the Decima engine instead, which also runs great.
UE5 is "easy" to develop in and find devs (jeets) / assets / support for. It's the default slop engine now.

>>718920482
I think we got cursed for a whole generation straight because Epic threw a lot of money around to get the industry to abandon in house engines.

>>718920312
More proof everything is going to shit

>>718921925
Nah, the point is that makes shit up.
MGSV doesn't look better than any modern game.

>>718921025
Not only do they have their own engine, it's probably the best engine of all time. The fact that they abandoned FOX engine for UE5 is a fucking travesty

>>718922118
When you fire all your senior programmers (and/or they jump ship with kojimbo) turns out it costs a lot of teach new people to use custom tools.

>>718919574 (OP)
>snoys bragging about 40FPS

>>718920482
let's give Decima engine's visuals a point of reference while we're at it

>>718920751
other way around, PS5 will always punch higher than the exact equivalent spec PC, because devs always optimize console-first and console is also a single spec platform.

see: MH Wilds, rise of the Ronin, wild hearts.

>>718919574 (OP)
>dips to 30
>in fucking performance mode

>>718919574 (OP)
>so what's the point of spending $3k on a PC?
indeed
i'll fire lossless scaling and play it on my 1080

>>718919574 (OP)
PC VEGAN REDDIT cries out in pain as he platform wars.

>>718919720
movies!=videogames

>>718919574 (OP)
There is more to graphics than just FPS, and "30-60" is not maintaining anything.

>>718919720
24 fps is a mess and sucks, and gravy is great.

>>718919574 (OP)
>>718922960
Now, now. No need to argue. Unreal Engine can run like complete dogshit on both console and PC.

>>718920819
Now show the game running on a PS5 with the same graphic options.

>>718919574 (OP)
>performance mode
>still drops to 30fps
consolefags are so embarrassing

What settings do you need to turn down to get a stable 60?

>>718919574 (OP)
My 5yo, 550€ PC can do rocksolid 60fps, at native 1080p. And play the game for FREE.

>>718920069
Tim, your engine is shit.

>normies have no idea what fps are
>they have no idea that games can actually run smooth all the time
>they think that games "lag" by default
>they will never ask for better optimization
>publishers keep laughing and save money on optimization

>>718919574 (OP)
>A Nissan Sentra can go 60 MPH sometimes, why would you pay $120,000 for a GTR?
Maybe if you weren't too stupid to realize some things aren't meant for poor people you wouldn't be poor.

How are you supposed to no-alert pacifist the part where the red caps corner you in the abandoned factory?
the only way out the door is through soldiers.

>>718924147
hide under the bed then go out the window to the left. there was a way people used to do it but i dont remember all the details

>>718919574 (OP)
>30-60 fps
>2025
i had a 144hz monitor in 2000 fucking 13

>>718921025
hey retard, you think a single member on the staff knows how to use their engine ? they fired all of them with kojimbo
they are hiring some jeets from pakistan to code the game and ue 5 is what they know
the fox engine will never be used again
enjoy your remake tho

Why is every game CPU hitched now?

>>718923643
>My 5yo, 550€ PC can do rocksolid 60fps
No it can't, your 5 year old GPU is weaker than an RTX 4060, which can't even maintain 60fps at 1080p low.

>>718925986
Despite what marketing teams will tell you cpus are still largely bound by single thread performance, cpus also hit an upper limit of 5-6ghz with conventional cooling solutions. So modern CPUs run on magic optimizations while GPUs can just add more cores with pretty much no upper limit.
GPUs are now running at like 3000mhz, silicon is still silicon so it's an interesting question what will happen to GPUs once they're at the frequency wall.

>>718923628
PC fanboy (vegan) moment

>>718919664
95% of PC gamers do not have PCs powerful enough to play at 60+

>>718919574 (OP)
>PS5 can maintain 30-60 fps
So is that why it jumps between 20-40 fps constantly?

>>718926452
>epic settings vs console performance mode

>>718926536
That is correct, parasitic PC vegans from Reddit /r/PiratedGames /r/SteamCult aren't top of the line PC users. Steam Hardware Survey revealed what we suspected, third world PC users are the majority. Act like gigantic cunts about their 15 year old PC CPUs and 8gb VRAM cards (lmao).

>>718920819
What pubg is this?

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam PC vegans.

>>718919574 (OP)
That variable rate is garbage

>>718922706
>static shit you can't even interact with

>>718919574 (OP)
>720p
>Still get drops to 30 fps
Grim

Thank you UE5. Say thank you PC Steam Deck users!

>>718919574 (OP)
>>718919664
>>718919681
PS1, PS2 and PS3 were Ken Kutaragi soul

PS4, PS5 and PS6 are basically just budget AMD PCs.

Mark Cerny wanted PS4, PS5, PS6 and PS7 to be AMD APUs because it was cheapest and easiest for programmers. any optimizations done for PS4 will just help PC get further ahead. ps4 and ps5 are both x86-64

>He points to an amusing video by Linus Tech Tips, which attempted to 'kill' the PlayStation 5 by building a $500 gaming PC that outperformed the console.

>"They had to get a used motherboard," he says. "That was the only way that they could build a PlayStation 5 equivalent for a PlayStation 5 price. And if you're using used parts… well you can get a used PlayStation 5 for eBay for $300-something.

FX-8350 @2GHz, a HD 7850 and a 5000 RPM hard drive are roughly equivalent to a PS4.

Ryzen 7 3700X and an RX5700 which are roughly equivalent to a PS5. Sony has the Tempest audio engine and the Kraken compression blocks. PS5 SSD read speed 5,558MB.

>>718926159
>your 5 year old GPU is weaker than an RTX 4060

>>718927000
>quoting dickem suckem

>>718919872
Haha well met redditor! Only newfags bitch about engines.

>>718927049
>>718926159
Retards arguing about e-waste video cards, hahahaha. 8GB VRAM isn't enough for 1080p native anymore, lmfao, you love to see it. $350 money stolen, NVIDIA expects you to upgrade to $700 cards sooner, it works. RTX 4060 haha good grief, they've been all shit at 60-70 tier for ages. Pascal 1000 was the last value proposition in each tier.

>>718921315
Why not license the Fox engine then? What's stopping them from doing that?

>>718926962
How does this work? As long as their is enough storage on the SSD it should be smooth sailing, no?

>>718919574 (OP)
>yet another low fps Lumen UE 5 shlop
time to apologize

It's funny how everyone hates on AI but they will all defend game devs abusing AI framegen upscaling slop shit to maybe get 60fps.

>>718927224
KP you mean? It's wasn't a happy break-up from Konami so I imagine they really wouldn't want to pay Konami a dime for the engine.

>>718921315
>>718921025
Can't wait for endless threads about Indian names in MGS Delta Credits

>>718926710
>>718926772
>Intel Core i7 9700
>AMD Ryzen 7 2700X
Most people would meet those requirements though? That's like a i3 12100 or 3600?

>>718919720
>all you need is 24 fps

>>718927796
I meant Konami selling game engine licenses or whatever

>>718927578
they wouldn't need to resort to AI if they just used a game engine that worked well

>>718921025
Konami doesn't have any game developers anymore, so they need to farm out to pajeets who only know how to use the visualized code blocks from Unreal Engine 5

>>718926710
Since when has 32GB ram become the standard? I remember for the longest time that you could easily get by with 16gb of ram alone, even up until a couple of years ago.

>have your own engine
>an engine that was specifically ordered by Kojima to make Metal Gear Solid games on
>you fired everyone who knew how to use that engine a few years ago
>just have the new hire devs use Unreal5
>looks like every other game with the same sloppy performance as any other game
fox engine would've gotten 120 fps and looked better lmao

>>718919574 (OP)
PC can play PS1 and PS2 and PS3 and PS4 games

>>718919574 (OP)
>720p
Damn we back in the PS3 era?

>>718919574 (OP)
>30-60FPS at 720p potato quality
Jesus lmao

>The Nintendo console of all things is the only one with true 60fps games right now (1080p60 and even 4K60 at that)
How is this guy still being proven right decades after his death?

>>718926536
Don't understand your point. I am not a group a gamers, I am me. 100% of me plays on 100% of my computer, which can play games above 60 fps 100% of the time. I do not care what other people do.

>Just buy 5090 to play PS2 game
Thanks UE5!

If you don't run all your games at 144 Hz and 1080p (the real gamer's resolution, let me guess you need more?) then you're not a real gamer. We're glad to pay $3,000 + tariffs for 144 Hz in single-player walking-simulator remake slop. Based! King, I kneel. Now excuse me as I spend 18 hours a day at my office chair, which is based (king, I kneel) because I get to see my cutscenes render smoother.

>>718919574 (OP)
>UE5
why isnt Kojima using his proprietary engine that just werks?

>>718931913
it's an over decade old cross seventh gen engine. probably just isn't feasible to use with modern fidelity targets.

>>718919574 (OP)
It's a pee cee

>>718934863
and neither is UE5 apparently

>>718919574 (OP)
>So you can play this shitty AAA slop at higher framerates and graphics
is what homos would say. Myself, I use a PC for playing old PC-only games (mostly strategy games, to this day nothing comes close to Supreme Commander, but also a lot of doujin/indie games of course) and for emulating old games. Don't need an overpriced PC for that.

>its not da UE5 its just a tool dude its on devs to use it properly
>all devs are super amazing savants who cant do wrong tho!
>even Fortnite has stuttering/asset streaming issues and ALL UE5 titles run like ass
So we have amazing tool thats being used by talented hard working developers and results always suck balls. Really makes you think lmao.