Thread 718970035

not baiting, can you name a better metroidvania?

no

Rabi-Ribi (with the DLC) mogs Shallow Knight comically hard.

>>718970035 (OP)
about 95% of other metroidvanias are better.

>>718970035 (OP)
Most niggas on here keep looking for the wrongs things when they’re trying to figure out why this game is so beloved.
No, you negros, it’s not because of the gameplay. It’s because of the hand drawn art and atmosphere.

>>718970035 (OP)
SotN and Zero Mission.

Silksong

>>718970035 (OP)
like, every 2D Metroid except for Fusion and Samus Returns

>>718970035 (OP)
9 sols moggs this shit

>>718970035 (OP)
Metroid Dread, Bloodstained, Order of Ecclesia.

>>718970035 (OP)
Symphony of the Night
Super Metroid

There's 2

>>718970035 (OP)
probably not, it's very competent. tevi and rabi ribi are up there for me. otherwise the genre is stale at this point

Flipwitch. Easy

Not a lot of metroidvania's have had as much post release development as HK

SEX WITH MY GIRLFRIEND (male), PHANTOM, WHILST HORNET WATCHES.

>>718970035 (OP)
Any.
I'm not even kidding, it's the worst Metroidvania I've played.

>>718970035 (OP)
>Blasphemous 2
>Prince of persia lost crown
>Nine sols
>Castlevania aria of sorrow

Silksong is probably surpassing all of them though

>>718971879
Please, please, please, please, pleaseeeeee hang yourself.

>popular enough to have anons shitting on it for being popular
a sad fate

>>718970035 (OP)
Any Metroid
Any Castlevania

>>718971987
You can't just walk in here and tell me Marrow is better than Hollow Knight.
Now, I sentence you to going and buying/pirating it and posting your findings on the 1st of next month.
I will be there.

>>718970035 (OP)
>metroidvania

Can you name a worse genre?

>>718972203
no, zero mission is not better than hk
no, samus returns is not better than hk

>>718972213
Maplessvanias > Mapvanias

>>718970035 (OP)
Sotn

I have exactly two ways I categorize games. Games I like and games I don't like. I don't waste my time autistically ranking them within those categories. I like Hollow Knight. I like most metroidvanias.

>>718970343
it's actually the stellar world design and the lack of handholding
the lessons people learned from HK's success was 'it's like le dork souls'

>>718970035 (OP)
No, the only people i see getting filtered by HK are the ones that stop in the first couple of hours because it takes a couple of ours to get going/get your first abilities. Which is a good gatekeep of adhd retards.

Kirby and the amazing mirror
Come at me

>>718970035 (OP)
still going with blasphemous.

>>718970035 (OP)
This one. Hollow Knight is great tho.

>>718970035 (OP)
Zero Mission, AM2R, Super, Fusion, Dread.

>>718972757
>Dread
stopped reading there, it's shit

>>718972572
>it's like le dork souls
I don't get why you faggots get so pissy about the fact the game takes inspiration from Dark Souls when the entire genre is named after other games

>>718972850
OP said better, not good

>>718972850
Dread was made completely redundant by the lost crown for me. That game is better in every aspect

Ori has better graphix, better movement, and I was more invested in the story.
HK wins in sheer size and breadth of content.

There are no good metroidvanias, period.

>>718970035 (OP)
zero mission

>>718970228
This. Also has tons of free content and better combat, all without being a bloated mess.

>>718972673
>blasphemous
name one thing exceptional about the gameplay
>>718972757
>Dread
I hate tendies so goddamn much

>>718970035 (OP)
Super Metroid is still unmatched though HK comes close. SotN is hot shit (except for the OST) and outclassed by numerous games in its own series

>>718970343
to be fair even the devs themselves kinda lost the plot the more they added dlcs that have been all about combat instead of expanding the exploration and map

>>718973160
>Super Metroid is still unmatched
>SotN is hot shit
post hand.

>>718970035 (OP)
ender lily or whatever its called

Why does every 2D sidescroller have to be a metroidvania now?

>>718973212
Good morning saar

>>718973191
The map was already too big
>>718973263
Look at the steam numbers of ninja gaiden ragebound and you‘ll see why. Noone cares about classic 2d platformers these days unless they have the nintendo branding

>>718973134
the gameplay is not particularly exceptional, but it's still good, primarily because of the boss battles, soundtrack, atmosphere, and story. I like it more than hollow knight, but even salt and sanctuary is better than hollow knight.

>>718973263
They don't.
People just don't talk about 2-D sidescrollers all that much.
Anyway, go play Curse Crackers: For Whom the Belle Tolls.

>>718973134
>HKfag being pissy about Dread
Every single time.

>>718970035 (OP)
Symphony of the Night
Aria of Sorrow
Order of Eclessia
Zero Mission
Super Metroid
Dread
Blasphemous 2
La Mulana
Ori, both
Bloodstained
Deedlit in Wonder labyrinth
Tohou Lunar Nights
Guacamelee
Control
Midnight Castle Succubus

>>718970035 (OP)
La-Mulana
(Not 2 though I liked HK more)

>>718973263
...Pizza Tower?

>>718970035 (OP)
It would be easier to name the ones that are not better. The answer to that is, there aren't any.

>>718973263
That's not true whatsoever, but if you're making a 2D sidescroller you likely want an emphasis on platforming or exploration. Metroidvania elements CAN work well to make exploration fun.

>>718970035 (OP)
All of them.

>>718973263
People don‘t wanna hear it but metroidvanias are just 2d open world games and everyone knows open world attracts the masses

>>718973263
>>718973390
>>718973352
Half-correct, all 2d *action*-platformers in specific are forced to be metroidtranias now.
pure 2d platformers are allowed as long as they're I wanna be the guy type shit like Celeste and meat boy

>>718973390
This game looks like it could have came out in the 80's.
no thanks

>>718973554
>action platformers are forced to be metroidvanias
True. Look at the new Shinobi game.

>>718973263
Psycutlery literally just got a Steam release

>>718973586
>This game looks like it could have came out in the 80's.
Zoom zoom spotted

>>718970228
>suggests random coomoid shovelware
post hidden

>>718970252
You haven't ever played one, have you?

>>718973534
Open world and Metroidvania aren't exactly the same, but there are definitely similarities.
Especially in more commonplace open worlds like Far Cry, Ass Creed, or LoZ, where it's often a series of points of interest (size will vary from 1 fucking thing to an entire dungeon/complex/etc.), wherein each point of interest is a level/room/etc. in a more traditional game and you get to them in any order you want because traversal is very open.
But in a Metroidvania, even a 3D one, exploration and having key items is mandatory to find stuff to begin with in some cases, let alone access it.

>>718973534
Ironically, 2D Metroidvanias are easier to develop than pure linear action platformers because of how much content you get to reuse

If you go to a recolored stage that's lazy, if you go to a recolored ZONE... Oh baby... Oh... It's a sign of progression...

>>718973554
Yep. This is basically what happened to the Castlevania series

>>718971749
>can't do the bosses
Wrong!

>>718970995
>Order of Ecclesia
She is so hot

>>718973534
If metroidvanias were open world games the maps would be thrice as large and half of the rooms would be completely empty. Shut the fuck up, retard.

>>718970035 (OP)
Both Ori games are vastly superior.

>>718970035 (OP)
Undertale

>>718973646
I don't wanna play pixelslop, give me a Rayman origins and the newer Shantae games like artstyle anytime.

>>718970035 (OP)
*names all metroidvanias*

>>718973650
>he says when every other Shallow Knight thread is shitty R34 of the bugs
The bugfag FEARS shapely woman bodies.

Batman Arkham Asylum. No, really.

>>718970252
>>718973456
>>718973508
>>718973826
You have never played a single metroidvania, ever.

>>718970035 (OP)
I liked Ori games a lot more.

>>718970035 (OP)
- Ori
- Nine Sols
- PoP: Lost Crown
- SotN (most Castlevania game, really)

Off the top of my head.

>>718970035 (OP)
It isn't even better than the ender games which were influenced by it. It isn't better than super Metroid either for games before it

>>718972850
>stopped reading at the end of the post
wow

GRIME did the decaying world thing better and subverted tropes because you're working to destroy it, not save it.

>>718970035 (OP)
Nine Sols rapes it to death. No reason to play HK unless you're an actual shitter who gets filtered by real combat

>>718974030
The Ender games don't have dogshit pacing and actually gives you new weapons and upgrades at a normal Metroidvania rate.

>>718973780
a lot of bad metroidvanias basically are
nothing I hate more than a map that's effectively a long meandering line from one area to the next
the highlight of the genre is tight squares with multiple exits where nearly every screen serves a purpose
bad devs just slap backtracking on to pad out gametime and call it a metroidvania

>>718973441
>1 game almost 3 years ago
...So basically nothing

>>718973921
I've been playing them since before they had a name.

So this is what it’s going to be like until release huh?

>>718973921
Hollow Knight looks like shit and plays like shit. Why am I supposed to think it's better again?

>>718974347
Wait until the release day. This board will become insufferable, worse than the E33, Baldur's Gate 3 and Astrobot spam.

>>718974189
>nothing I hate more than a map that's effectively a long meandering line from one area to the next
This is basically Nine Sols, but it gets away with it by being very clearly combat focused instead of exploration focused. It's not trying to fool anyone.

Metroid Dread

>>718974436
Because it's popular and you wouldn't want to be some CONTRARIAN SHITPOSTER would you now?

>>718970035 (OP)
I didn’t like it when I played it several years ago. But apparently silksong has a reserved 5 ongoing threads perpetually. Was I wrong and did I miss out on possibly the best game ever created?

I like Metroidvanias to be fairly short and sweet, so I'd rather play any of the 2D Metroid's sans SR and the 8-bit games over Hollow Knight. I'd also rather play Prime because it has a better atmosphere and way way better OST

I reached the upper level so i'm about half way done but what the fuck why do new age metroidvanias absolutely refuse to make any interesting abilities?
The ground smash doesn't allow you to use it on enemies because it will destroy their materials and using the wall breaking wolf doesn't even increase your speed at all and it also destroys materials so no fun allowed, and the grappling hook, of course it has no spiderman physics, fucking boring

>>718974285
>DUDE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A DOZEN GAMES COMING OUT MONTHLY OR THE GENRE IS DED
We're in a thread where people are praising an 8 year old game as the pinnacle of the genre.
I get you're trying to shitpost, but at least get on the same page as us humans.

>>718970902
>Chink tranny
Only humans get input here

>>718974805
The lost crown has cool abilities

>>718973352
>>718970343
classic metroidvania follows from the classic arcade mindsets of short, replayable games.
more modern takes like hollow knight throw that concept away in favor of more content.
Mercurysteam knew this when making metroid dread, which is somewhat ironically how we got to the whole
>3 hour game
thing. personally I don't prefer one style or the other, but it's undeniable that hollow knight is the style that's more popular with devs these days, because of the open-endedness of the design, which lends itself to constant updates and constant playercounts and not having to put in effort to make the game lean for the sake of pacing.

>>718974980
All you had to do was name 1 more

>>718970035 (OP)
even mid ass shit like kenzera mogs this garbage

>>718973783
Amazing soundtracks, but far too short and lacking in characters.
Well, the first one, I didn't play the 2nd. Did enjoy the soundtrack though.

>>718973921
>not baiting, can name a better dish than this plate full of shit?
>uhh yeah most food is better than th-
>WHY DIDN'T YOU NAME A SPECIFIC DISH? SEE PEOPLE WHO HATE THIS PLATE FULL OF SHIT DON'T EVEN EAT FOOD!

Personal opinion: Aquaria (RIP Alec Holowka, one of many unsung victims of the Woke plague)

Objective answer: Super Metroid

>>718973774
Good game, but it really sucks as a Metroidvania. Even the big levels like Dracula's Castle are extremely linear.

>>718975417
Then why didn't you just ask instead of bitching?
>Any others?
Etc. would've sufficed.
Anyway,
>Dadish 1, 2, and 3
>I Wanna Maker
>Will You Snail?
>Wuppo (people call it a metroidvania, but it's very linear)
>Iconoclasts (also not a metroidvania)
>Dustforce

>>718975730
Why are you linking games that are almost 10 years old?
See? the genre is fucking dead

>>718975730
Notice how none of these are 2d ACTION platformers.

>>718974574
rabi-ribi too
good games but the actual mv part feels like an afterthought. you play them for the boss fights.

>>718975902
Wuppo and Iconoclasts are literally action combat platformers you daft cunt.

>>718973436
Why did it take so long for somebody to mention SotN
God this board is so shit

i see ppl bringing up the prince of persia game that came out a while back, is it actually good? i remember it being trashed on cuz it looked woke and that's about it lol

>>718976065
rabi-ribi gives extreme amounts of freedom of movement and boss order, and there's upgrades hidden everywhere, it doesn't qualify at all

>>718976173
Aria > SOTN

>>718976195
Imo it‘s the best metroidvania. Marketing and egs exclusivity royally fucked the game over unfortunately and i would have loved a sequel. The combat is the best in the genre by quite a bit and the mechanics in general have a polish that you won‘t see from indie devs. It goes on sale often or just emulate the switch version

>>718976195
it is good, very solid. best combat of anything in the genre, although that's a low bar. some cool platforming segments. Ubi rugpulled the team which means they left the story unresolved (was going to be DLC iirc) but it's still fun to piece it together with what's there.
/v/ hates games with bad character designs, seems to be.

>>718976394
all of them > sotn. That game is the most overrated pile of shit praised by retards who only played it and none of the others.

>>718976484
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves

>>718970035 (OP)
>can you name a better metroidvania?
I don't like HK for its souls-like mechanics but I'm a fan of the Ori games; and from what I have seen, the mobility upgrades in the Ori games are better and more substantial and fluid than HK's. Also I like Ori's art style better. Though I'm a metroidvania noob and didn't play a lot of them so there are probably better examples of the genre that I don't know about.

>>718976741
Ah yes, because souls invented hard bosses

>>718976852
>because souls invented hard bosses
Because I find it to be busywork to backtrack all the way to my dead body everytime I die (which is a lot, that's kinda the point in souls-likes) and every little act of progression takes monumental effort. I feel like the game dosn't respect my time and is hard on purpose. The only boss I fought in my 4 hour run of HK was Hornet after you chase her in the forested area; she wasn't hard, but it took patiance and busywork to beat her, dying over and over again. So I quit before beating her.

>>718970035 (OP)
Risk of rain (returns)

Symphony of the Night
if you disagree you should die

>>718970035 (OP)
both aria and dawn of sorrow.
>b-bu-but
doesn't matter. you're wrong. threads done.

>>718970995
Based

>>718970035 (OP)
I like ender magnolia more

>>718970035 (OP)
Rabi-Ribi
/thread

>>718978151
those games suck lol

Metroid Dread
Symphony of the Night
Circle of the Moon
Aria of Sorrow
Dawn of Sorrow
Portrait of Ruin
Order of Ecclesia
Bloodstained
Blasphemous 2
Ender Lillies
Ender Magnolia
Salt and Sanctuary
Rabi-Ribi
Prince of Persia TLC

>>718970035 (OP)
Symphony

>>718978568
lol no

>>718976665
I wasn't including mirror of fate.

>>718970228
kek yurifags are the ultimate cucks

You know, I've played a whole bunch of castlevanias but never finished a metroid, I should probably do that some day.

>>718970343
>hand drawn art
Might as well look at fuckin pictures then
The game is mid, combat and exploration starts to grate after just a few hours and it doesn't exactly have much else going on
All the games after have been better in pretty much every aspect

>>718970035 (OP)
SOTN
yeah thats the only one

>>718978568
>no Ori
Shit list.

>>718978568
it's astonishing that /v/tards will choose to be such contrarian faggots that they would rather shill the ENDER games rather than just admitting hk is good

>>718970035 (OP)
gba castlevanias

>>718970035 (OP)
>Animal Well
>Metroid Prime
>Metroid Dread
>Dracula X - Nocturne in the Moonlight
>Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night

>>718970228
SPBP

>>718972645
>game has objectively shitty pacing
>this is a positive somehow

>>718982060
>the game in a genre whose core concept is needing to get upgrades to make your character capable requires you to get your first upgrade to make your character more capable
wow. that's never happened in any metroidvania ever

>>718970035 (OP)
Out of Metroid games: Super, Zero Mission, Dread.

>>718981295
I haven't played it cause i dont have xbox or gay pass.

I did it bros.
Now I gotta beat it after every other boss in the game in P5 so I can do AR.

>>718970035 (OP)
> not baiting, can you name a better metroidvania?

Castlevania
Metroid

OP is a fucking retard.

>>718982294
>Castlevania
>metroidvania
>OP is a fucking retard.
Anon, I hope this is the kind of embarrassing fuck-up you randomly remember years from now.

>>718975902
Dustforce

>tfw was really excited that this was the year Siege and the Sandfox came out
>it's shit
Why don't the devs just not make their game shitty? Are they retarded?
>>718982648
That's not a 2d platformer
that's kino

>>718982259
Absolute Radiance is not worth the hassle at all

>>718970035 (OP)
>metroidvania
Isn't that a stupid genre name? What any metroidvania takes from castlevania?

>>718983904
>>718975419

>>718984191
...? symphony of the night is literally go through area -> get upgrade -> return to previously visited areas to advance further using said upgrade

>>718984983
That's metroidlike. Only distinctive feature is rpg elements but they exist only in igavanias.

>>718985174
you're a retard. the name metroidvania didn't come about because of metroids and castlevanias. it came about specifically because of how super metroid pioneered that type of gameplay and then how symphony of the night refined it and solidified it. god i hate you "metroidlike" faggots. learn something before you type

>>718985503
>refined it
How exactly?

>>718985503
>not because of metroids and castlevanias
>because of how metroid and castlevania did
So it's because of metroid and castlevania. What a moron?

>>718978854
>move through the map by spamming backdash
Not a chance.

>>718983534
Absolute radiance is fine at least it gives a new ending and new bosses. radiant absolute radiance is what's bs

>>718975645
He was a talented man but let's not pretend he wasn't also part of that woke clique.
He was an active participant as well as a victim. Has he still been alive; the entire board would be at his neck

>>718970035 (OP)
Sotn
AoS
DoS
PoR
OoE
Super Metroid
Metroid Zero Mission
Metroid Dread
Rabi-Ribi
Bloodstained

>get to end of game
>starts poorly aping Super Meat Boy out of nowhere
this trash is literally just the artstyle isn't it

>>718970035 (OP)
Nine Sols and Lost Crown mog it

>>718970035 (OP)
worst castlemania ever

>>718987504
The pantheon of hallownest has no new bosses except for AR itself, and that fight sucks. It's not worth the time commitment to do a run, let alone doing multiple for failed attempts

>>718970035 (OP)
metroid

>>718989137
Winged nox and sisters of battle

>>718988406
nine sols is awful edgy shit and it wouldn't exist without HK
lost crown is not even worth mentioning in this genre as a whole

Hollow knight feels like a really long boss rush game instead of an action exploration game

>>718976195
The Lost Crown is extremely good, The Rogue Prince of Persia is whatever.

>>718984191
The castlevania elements that have permeated the genre are very general systems like XP, currency, and more specific subsystems like enemy-specific drops, subweapons with different attack hitboxes, and equipment slots.

>>718970035 (OP)
Pop tlc, aos, por and sotn.

>>718970343
The soundtrack and worldbuilding are also top tier.

>>718976195
It looks woke sure but the gameplay is great. Story and music are a bit underwhelming and some of the ability charms are just meaningless while others are gamechangers. Overall 8/10, wish there's be more extreme challenges towards the endgame when combat and platforming became second nature.

Is Environmental Station Alpha as kino as I've been lead to believe? For the record, I am a big fan of Baba.

>>718981647
They are good though, I agree that hk is better however

>>718989376
>is not even worth mentioning
Why not. The combat and platforming are both fantastic and in a metroidvania that's a huge plus imo

>>718982253
It's on literally everything but Playstation.

>>718990309
kind of like tunic, you have to grind 10 hours through an extremely mediocre game to get to the interesting part, but it's not anywhere close to la mulana

Come home, white man.

>>718989216
Are those fights not from earlier pantheons? If not I stand corrected, but PoH still sucks absolute ass

>>718990309
It's fairly up its own ass and lacks both the visual clarity and precision of control to justify putting up with how punishing it is. La Mulana is "better" if you want to have your asshole reamed by horseshit puzzles. The reason it gets praise is there's very few metroidvanias that are pure metroid clones but don't suck ass. Axiom Verge is fine, Zexion is great but has absurd bosses, and then you're looking at romhacks or garbage like Rebel Transmute.

>>718990645
Axiom Verge is a bizarre gap in my memory. I know I played the game and beat it, but I don't remember a single minute of it.

rabi-ribi, im not joking

>>718970343
As someone who enjoyed the game, the artstyle is fucking atrocious. Looks as if Reddit made a flash game. And all the monsters look goofy, which is fine for most of the game but it kind of ruins the point of the dark spooky area.

>>718970035 (OP)
super metroid and SOTN are easily better

>>718990745
For the time it was genuinely impressive to have something of that caliber made by an indie, but as an actual game it's fairly lackluster. It falls for basically every trap of metroid fangames of ramping up the difficulty and obtuseness, and layering on the sort of mechanics that they wish exist to spice up Super Metroid after the 20th time while forgetting that the first time through was a war of attrition as they learned the map rather than a practiced ballet through known obstacles.

Still beats the tits off the sequel good lord

SOTN, Aria of Sorrow, Bloodstained, Rabi-Ribi, Shantae and the Pirate's Curse. Easy.

Hollow Knight is boring, also I'm Australian so my opinion on the gay bug game is more valid than yours.

>>718970035 (OP)
Symphony of the Night.

>>718970035 (OP)
I love Hollow Knight, but objectively speaking, the level design is ass. Long, boring hallways. The atmosphere smoothed over its flaws. There still has not been a metroidvania as well designed as Super Metroid.

>>718970035 (OP)
Considering that the best part of Hollow Knight are its bosses and that you basic bitch moveset makes you hard (jump, dash, double jump, wall jump) the best game series for you would be the megaman series.
Stop shitting the metroidvania genre with your low level design standards.
Even the megaman ZX series has better level design despite being a fucking Inti Crate game.

Metroidvanias are about level design, not stacking 2D megaman levels upon each other and calling it "interconnected".

>Environmental Station Alpha
>La-Mulana
>Rain World
>Rabi-ribi

Are all much much more ambitious than HK mechanically.

Super Metroid

>>718991023
Shut your mouth, cunt.

>>718990913
it's spooky-cute

>>718991110
>There still has not been a metroidvania as well designed as Super Metroid.
I genuinely think I could write a book at the genius the game displays in its initial loop through Brinstar down to upper Norfair then back up red tower to the power bombs before a second loop. Sure, there's some shit in Meridia and Norfair that could be "cleaned up" but it truly is unparalleled in its flow and its density.

>>718970035 (OP)
Super metroid

>>718970035 (OP)
Rabi-Ribi mogs it hard. Tevi is also better, but not quite RaRi.

>>718970035 (OP)
Aria of Sorrow
Symphony
Super Metroid
The BMZ trilogy
Dread
Mega Man ZX
Amazing Mirror

Hollow knight is pretty low down

>>718976173
Tbh SotN is long and has great music, but it is quite flawed.
>Wonky balance with only one boss that is not a complete push over (and it's not the final one)
>Level design in the second half not adapted for the moveset, the double jump falling a little short for easy navigation is still incomprehensible to me.
The Igavanias made after struck a way better balance honestly.

Nine Sols, Animal Well, Rain World are on par I would say

>>718991378
ZX controls better than Hollow Knight but that map alone takes it completely out of the equation

>>718970228
/thread

>>718991383
It is baffling how people still miss the fucking point of metroidvania proper, or igavania rather vecause retards can't fucking stop use metroidvanias as catch all genre term. It is supposed to be a powertrip, fucking opening of sotn screams it at you.

>like metroidvanias
>hollow knight comes out
>now everyone and their mom are making metroidvanias
I am eating good.
To answer the question nine sols, but I also like simpler games like islets, all games by that developer are great