Thread 718974806

I need some advice on choosing a new monitor. I'm thinking of going for a 32-inch 4K OLED screen, but I have some questions: is 4K really useful? My concern is that for video games, I'm afraid of losing too much FPS, and instead of playing at 240Hz, I'll be playing at 90Hz. My processor and graphics card will only be able to run at 90Hz. Is it worth it? The thing is, when I watch videos on YouTube, the quality will often be limited to compressed 1080p, and even 1080p isn't always “true” 1080p. As a result, TV shows and other videos won't be as sharp as I'd hope.

Is it worth spending $1,000 on a 32-inch 4K OLED screen, especially if I want to keep it for a long time, maybe 10 years?

>>718974806 (OP)
>is 4K really useful?
4k has always been a meme.

>>718974806 (OP)
I'm planning on getting on of the 1440p OLED is with higher refresh, but that's also overkill, just in a different way.

>>718974806 (OP)
Don't bother unless you have a 5090. Anything else will need upscaling and what's the point at that point. Oled is definitely worth it though.

>>718974806 (OP)
buy a 4k TV for a few hundred bucks less

>>718974806 (OP)
TVs pretty much mog monitors these days
Go big or go home

>>718974806 (OP)
I like mine, but I just use it for games, I have a calibrated ips for productivity use and a TV for media slop.
I also have a 5090 so the screens capabilities aren't too wasted.

>>718974806 (OP)
Buy a 50 inch TV instead, it's cheaper

>>718977161
I do 4K 160FPS on a 3090.

>>718974806 (OP)
>32-inch 4K
Too small, 4k demands at least a 55" set to take advantage of its pixels

>>718974806 (OP)
If you don't have the space for a proper OLED TV, it's worth it.

>>718978551
Why do people say this when the opposite is true?
PPI is way more important than size.
A 27" 4K monitor is literally four times as sharp as a 55" 4K one.

>>718974806 (OP)
>OLED
Won't last more than a couple of years before burn-in starts to appear.

>>718974806 (OP)
>is it worth it
yes, i assume you have cash to burn so you already have a 3-5k rig to run it properly
make sure you get the correct cables to support the high refresh rate
>>718978707
wrong (if its a new panel)

>>718976298
>>718977913
>>718977954
>>718978174
>>718978551
retarded + poorfags

>>718974806 (OP)
>especially if I want to keep it for a long time, maybe 10 years?
Hell fucking no, OLED does not have longevity. If you actually use it, it will get burned in way, way faster than 10 years. The technology simply does not last that long.

>>718978427
On what, minecraft?

>>718976298
Well, 4K, I think it depends on the screen size. I think 32 inches and up is interesting, but 27 inches is really overkill.
>>718976415
I think I would have gone for 1440p, except I have a bed in my room 3 meters away from my screen, so I think 32 inches would look better to my eyes. But I lose refresh rate. Basically, I have to compromise.
>>718977161
I think, a screen isn't the kind of thing you change every day, so I might as well go for the higher end, that way I won't have to change it in five years. That's how I think. No, I have a mid-range graphics card. I say to myself, I might as well switch to OLED, I might as well switch to a nice resolution because I already have a 1440p screen, I want to have the WOW feeling.

>>718977913
>>718977954
In truth, I don't want to go for a TV, because I lose PPI, therefore in Pixel Dorsity, and in addition it takes up more space, and in addition the response time will be much slower. Instead of having a response time of, I don't know, 0.003 milliseconds, I will have a response time of maybe 20-30ms. That's huge.

>>718978707
Then I say to myself, if even the screen doesn't last 10 years and lasts 5 years, I think that the OLED will have dropped in price so much that I could buy one again for $400, so it will be affordable. So $1400 for a screen, for a PC, for a decade, I find that reasonable in reality.

>>718976298
4k was the best upgrade I've got for just $250. 2k was a complete meme that added nothing over my old 1080p but 4k was a godsend for both productivity and playing old games. Even modern ones, if you can operate dlss swapper.

>>718978551
>>718978685
That's mostly it, it depends on the distance you play. If you're close to the screen, it's important to have a powerful PPI. If we're going to say you're 3 meters from your TV, it's not a problem. Let's say I have a keyboard and mouse. For a while in my life, I played on a TV. The truth is, it's not practical. Even with a wired keyboard and mouse. Playing on your bed is really tiring. Even on your couch, it's not ergonomic at all.

>>718980082
The distance between each pixel doesn't magically change based on how far you're sitting from the screen.

>>718978113
So, are you happy with your screen? Is there a big difference between your IPS and your OLED? And why did you keep your old screen? I'm interested to know. Because right now, I have an IPS screen. I've heard that OLED screens are much more tiring. There's a lot of eye strain. Is that true or not?

>>718974806 (OP)
>Overkill
No such thing for monitors. The more you can buy, the better.

>>718978685
The extra details from higher resolutions are more noticeable on bigger screens. If you can see the individual pixels, sit further away from the screen.

>>718979661
That would easily hit a few thousand fps on minecraft at 32 chunk render distance. How poor are you?

>>718980142
if you buy a monitor arm you should have easy time keeping ips + oled on the desk with the oled reserved for media use to extend its lifespan

I rec anyone who can afford it to either buy oled, or at least go with va miniled so you dont have to look at ips grays for the rest of your life

>>718978551
>>718978685
Absolutely retarded. Only resolution determines sharpness. Screen size only determines how far away you will sit.

>>718974806 (OP)
you don't play games at 4k, you upscale them
and because taa derivative post process upscale filters smear and blur everything you don't get to notice how oled's blur and smear and ghosting is different than va's blur and smear and ghosting (note: it's a little different! not much, but a little!)

do it if you want, at least the fonts will render nicely if you're not using windows, and that's nice

>>718982705
no one forces you to play modern slop
old games look majestic on oled

>>718982769
eh, it's not much different than modern VA if you're playing a low resolution console game
and it doesn't compare to a vga crt if you're playing a pc game

>>718974806 (OP)
>$1,000
Last time I checked, MSI shit was sold for $580

>>718982819
Are you sure the OLED you bought was an actual OLED?

>>718982889
i mean it's a C1, you can say "unc that's almost as old as me, the tech has improved" but when we're being honest it hasn't changed much besides brightness when you use one of those weird ones with magnification layers that i forget the term for

Don't buy anything and demand manufactures to make a 24 inch 1440p 120hz OLED panel in north America. It will be a god tier monitor, and anyone who wants more is a stupid moron idiot. Wrong about everything. Stop buying these pieces of shit. Took fucking forever for a 24in 1440p 165hz monitor to leave China and I had to import from Germany, but it's not OLED. But it's not gonna come if you stupid fucks keep buying these bullshit monitors, get a damn clue. God

>>718982983
Many games made during the hellscape period of lcd dominance have elevated brightness levels because the devs didnt want to have darkness that looks like hideous grays on the players screens. Its always better to have some color everywwhere.
Oled benefits the most when you play a true hdr game that uses path tracing with real darkness and bright highlights

>>718974806 (OP)
I went with 1080p 24" 180hz and a 42" lg oled

>>718983108
nah not really, where hdr does the best first of all is when you have 2000 sustained nits which oled isn't doing, and it's best done with hdr injection on a retrotink4k taking picture that's even as limited as 16 bit color depth and lettign it play over the entire spectrum

>>718974806 (OP)
>Only 32"

Lol. Lmao even.

>>718983231
>2000 sustained nits which oled isn't doing
Genuinely insane that people literally don't understand what oled is to this day

i have a ASUS XG27AQDMG 27" 1440p 240hz WOLED and a 48" LG B4, my tv is connected to both
you couldn't pay me to use a non-OLED for media consumption now that i've seen the light.

>>718983289
ok

>>718976298
Fpbp. It's only good for 4k movies rescanned from the 35mm/70mm master IF they are on disc/remux. Not that fucking shitty streamed "4k" with the low bit rate.

>>718974806 (OP)
>Dropping $1000 on a tiny fucking TV
>OLED
Lol

>>718983373
>anti-4k anti-oled coping poorfag
many such cases

>>718983353
>my tv is connected to both
my pc*

>people don't go back from 4K and/or OLED
is it true?

>>718983559
some people are bothered by oled maintenance shit, its annoying to bother about burn in
then some are psychotic about brightness and always go for miniled lcd

what was supposed to be the next big display technology that was going to make displays perfect for real this time™

>>718983697
rgb miniled
they sell those for 30k €

>>718974806 (OP)
you can always drop to 1080p for fps and it will scale down basically pixel perfect.
for streaming movies its not really a matter of a resolution but a bitrate. and yeah. most services wont let you use the highest quality without using their top tier sub.
and lastly if you want your monitor to last you 10 years dont buy an oled.
we are not yet there and i think its by design at this point. its convenient for manufacturers to invest into technology that will force consumers to buy new product every 2-4 years.

>>718983615
Isn't it enough to just move your taskbar to the second monitor and browse in fullscreen? It's hard to imagine where'd you see static content unless you work in something like excel for hours.

>>718980082
>Playing on your bed is really tiring. Even on your couch, it's not ergonomic at all.
Skill issue

>>718983404
I have 4k projector and 1080p LED TV. Of course I'm anti OLED, YOU poorfag.

>>718983872
lol lmao even, you're the projector tranny who shits up every OLED thread

>>718976298
>t. turd world Pedro

>>718983902
Project Chad*

Don't reply to me until you've played your favorite kino in 4k on a 300" screen.

>>718983559
unless their screen usage is like 2 hours per day, most people don't "daily drive" an oled besides their phone

>>718983615
miniled haloing is really funny if you get to view in a room with a skylight at noon, the screen looks so fucking weird when there's a truly bright ambient light

>>718983697
for what didn't come out?
self emissive quantum dots, nanorods, etc
should be offering the same per-pixel lighting as oled but last hundreds of times longer instead of 2000 hour till burning
for what did come out but isn't commercially viable?
that's microled, samsung had one that's more expensive than most new cars but not as expensive as "expensive cars", shit is huge though, they're having trouble shrinking it to a normal sized tv

>>718978551
I remember back in 2007-09 when people said "You don't need 1080p for anything smaller then 32in" and it was always someone who usually couldn't afford one.

>>718983697
Really just miniLED.
It's eventually going to surpass OLED. It technically already can, it's just prohibitively expensive - you have to custom order the top end and it's going to run you five or six figures.

This board is so fucking hilariously out of touch and retarded when discussing monitors, even funnier since the concept of spending more than $200 on one sends the majority into spastic fits

>>718984290
mirror

If you can try and get a display model that was never turned off, I just bought a 55", 144hz, OLED 4k tv for 900€ that came with an extended 5 year warranty.
A lot of credible places sell their display models for 50+% off.

>>718984582
turned on*

>>718974806 (OP)
The issue that cursed us this generation with 4k gaming is that nanite and unreal engine 5 came along. So when we get games running on optimized graphics engines it's beautiful to have 4k 240hz, but the more likely scenario is that everything is on the unoptimized engine. I use a screen with the exact same specs as yours myself. But we've been handicapped at the same time because of the industries choices with poorly optimized games that need to run at 1080p DLSS or something just to be able to hope to maintain 60 fps. One thing I'll tell you that is a drawback with OLED is if you use gsync then it will flicker in dark games if the frametimes (not just framerate) are inconsistent. And that's especially important for UE5 because then you have an unsolvable flicker fest OLED. Then you're forced to turn off the only thing that will make these framerate fluctuations acceptable if any scene is a darker grey.

Something to consider. I'm letting you know about this issue ahead of time so you can make the call about whether that will annoy you. I like this screen when I'm playing something well optimized. But at the same time even well optimized games that have high framerate can repeat the exact same symptoms because an inconsistent frametime is always hard to completely mitigate. So many reasons why they can happen.

If you want this screen for HDR then I'd tell you that HDR gaming is a mess on windows in which the solutions of fixing games with RenoDX is too convoluted and unreliable, but if you have an nvidia gpu you can use RTXHDR which works fine. So only if you have an nvidia GPU, otherwise it's not worth the hassle.

I'd say the biggest selling point opposed to all the negatives I've listed is that the pixel response times are very good. So much so that it makes my mini-LED look sluggish mess in comparison. So that will be OLEDs biggest selling point, that it trades blow for blow with the best TN panels in pixel response.

>>718984582
55" 4k is the same as 1080p.

>>718984692
I sit like 2 and a half to 3 meters from my to.
Going any biger than that is just pointless.

>>718974806 (OP)
Wait for the new models coming out very soon with True Black 500 instead.

>>718983872
>projector
>burns out needs replacing every 1k hours
>1080p led tv
lol it probably smears like shit too and have inputlag of 100ms

>>718984582
>900€uro for a fucking display model

LMAO

>>718984830
>if I squint, the pixels physically move closer together!

monitor and hardware threads in general on v should be banned. and not only because it's somehow worse than g retardation but even more rebbit than chart and eceleb threads. oled, hdr, and ultrawide faggots should go back

>>718984928
55" oleds cost like 1200 on sale

>>718974806 (OP)
>OLED screen
>10 years
LMAO.

>>718985003
uhoh poorfag tn user upset he cant afford things
>>718985078
>looks up rtings longevity test
>lcds are all failing with dying backlight, zones, uniformity issues

>>718980142
Because my ips screen has better color reproduction and looks better for text.
I don't play games for long periods of a time at once but yea it does seem to be less pleasant to look at for hours on end.

>>718983697
microLED, it's literally the perfect flat panel display. But it's fuck-knows-how-long from being affordable.

>>718985214
15 years

>>718974806 (OP)
I have this exact monitor. Running 90hz, no, it wont be worth it. if you upgrade your PC, then it will be.

>>718985131
>ips better for color reproduction
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>less pleasant to look at
theres no difference
>>718985292
why would you buy a 240hz monitor to run it at 90hz, bot comment

>>718984960
I thank Jesus every day he didn't make me this autistic.

>>718985051
The item is pretty much the same price I saw this LG on regular sales.
Saving 300€ and getting a free warranty extension is a nice bonus for a TV that just sat around on a shelf turned off

>>718985332
>why would you buy a 240hz monitor to run it at 90hz, bot comment
Read the OP retard that's exactly what he's asking about

>>718985332
It objectively is better, blue doesn't start burning out and need constant correction on ips screens.
I would never use an OLED for productivity anything, text looks bad and after hours of staring at the screen your eyes feel worse.

>>718985386
So just use VRR? Are you and the OP retarded?
>>718985404
WOLEDs have no blue or red or green pixels

I mean if you don't ever want to utilize 240hz OP then you're better off with just getting a TV or something. I like my 32 inch screen because it's proper monitor size for my desk and the fact that i can do higher refresh rates. But if it wasn't for higher refresh then there would have been less points for the monitor.

>>718985404
my c4 42 looks the exact same in text rendering as my pg279q

>>718985332
>why would you buy a 240hz monitor to run it at 90hz
Run new games at 90hz and old games at 240hz.
If you buy a 90hz monitor then you're stuck also running old games at 90hz.

>>718985549
Use VRR you dumb clown. Are you retarded or just baiting right now?

>>718985450
Cool dude, I don't have one, I have a 8k nec reference monitor and this:
>>718978113
Text and colors look way better on my reference monitor.
>>718985497
See above.

>>718985549
Ma nigga just use rtss...
Any 240hz monitor will come with vrr.

>>718985606
>8k
>text rendering is better
no shit you're a retard

>>718974806 (OP)
360Hz minimum it's nearly 2026

>>718985571
>>718985632
VRR doesn't make a monitor display more frames than it physically can, anon.
You can't display 240 fps on a 90hz monitor no matter what you do.

Am I being trolled right now or are both of you misunderstanding completely?

>>718985670
given you mostly rely on frame gen its a bit eh
youre not going to get clarity improvement that helps you win cs2 matches going from 240hz to higher frames. Its better, just not functional requirement.

>>718985681
Are you dumb? You're the guy buying a monitor at 240hz to LOCK it to 90hz instead of using VRR you fucking moron.

>>718985667
It's a 4k monitor that cost eight thousand dollar.

>>718985726
>the only two uses for 360hz are AAA games with DLSS or esports

>>718985789
you just said its 8k

>>718974806 (OP)
>Worth it
It's definitely in the realm of diminishing returns, but if you are working for a living I can absolutely recommend it
>>718976298
Poor detected, opinion disregarded

Points for 240hz: You can now use Blur Busters CRT beam simulation shader through ShaderGlass app, in some working capacity:
https://github.com/mausimus/ShaderGlass/discussions/192

In other words better than BFI. 240hz is the bare minimum for it to look proper. More optimized results are in higher refresh rates. It's not completely 100% all there yet. But people telling you that lower refresh rates are better are coping with their capped refresh rate tvs that aren't even capable of better motion clarity. Cope and seethe all you want, but gaming monitors are superior (for now).

>>718985816
you mean to buy it for older games with locked fps with lossless scaling doing the genning?
what

>>718985912
Yes, anon, every single game from the past four decades all unanimously have locked FPS. Every single one. And there's literally nothing else you can use a 360hz monitor for.

>>718985846
Yes, that was it's dollar cost not resolution, it's a reference monitor, not a slop monitor.

>>718985954
are you underage
can you just write your opinion

>>718985956
>hes using a tiny reference monitor at probably 19 inches for work and playing games
lol
doubt you're an artist or anything of value

>>718984238
Think that's microled. There's already miniled monitors that doesn't cost 5-6 figures

>>718985996
Can you not read, I literally linked the initial post I made talking about my 32" OLED slop monitor and I've been saying that I prefer my reference monitor for work.
Jesus you are retarded as fuck.

>>718986197
You havent specified its size and reference displays are usually tiny little boxes, look at the one vincent uses or stop the fomo

>>718986121
Microled and miniled are the literal same technology, the only difference is the density. There's no specific threshold where a miniled becomes a microled, and expect the two words to be used interchangeably for marketing in the near future.

It would be like calling a 4K monitor and a 1080p monitor two different technologies. It's just a different size.

>>718974806 (OP)
I have the bend my neck to loot at 27 inches
32 would kill me unironically

>>718976298
Poorfag cope
You're brown
Just admit and stfu

Are KOORUI 1440p PC monitors worth buying? Preferably with more than 180hz.

>>718985885
I wouldn't trust some random autist on the Internet to tell me what to do. Especially when their meme approved Viewsonic monitor is discontinued.

i have a 32 in 4k hdr monitor. its just a regular 60hz non oled. it works fine, i'm not too picky about the tech.

>>718974806 (OP)
I've been using a 32" monitor for almost three years now, and still can't get used to its size. Should've gone with 27". In fact I will try to sell this one and get something smaller.

>>718985737
Anon...VRR is what locks the monitor's refresh rate to the game's framerate dynamically in order to solve screen tearing and vsync latency.

Get a 42" LG C tv, they're so much better it's not even funny, I switched my 42" LG C3 for a qd oled msi display and I fully regret it, yeah it has double the hertz, but the image quality is subpar with blown out detail in hdr.

4k is retarded.

you pretty much have to use DLSS shit in every game unless you have a 4090 or a 5090

32" is retarded, its too big

OLED is retarded because burn in

>>718986245
No you idiot...what is referred to as MiniLEDs are just LCDs using an array of "mini" LEDs as a backlight (so dimming zones can be smaller).
MicroLEDs are like self emissive like OLEDs but use traditional non-organic LED materials and are stuck in development hell trying to shrink them to consumer sizes and affordability.

>>718991327
>unless you have a 4090 or a 5090
Oh sweet summer child...

>>718991163
I know, but unless you're capping it to 90, its not going to be always 90 as the guy was implying. VRR will constantly readjust hence VRR since its in sync with the framerate. Why even bother mentioning "run it at 90hz"?

A VRR capable display with VRR enabled is always refreshing at max regardless as per blurbusters.

>>718974806 (OP)
is this the best monitor money can buy at the moment?

>>718991873
No the best monitor money can buy is a S95something QDOLED TV

the next best thing is the 540hz asus woled that just came out

>>718991360
Anon, LEDs don't display color in IPS panels. Liquid crystals do. The LEDs simply provide backlight.
They're not "self-emissive ", that doesn't even make sense. Of course the LEDs emit, that's what the E in "Light Emitting Diode" stands for. In IPS panels, it's still a separate component from what's actually displaying color. And neither uses organic LEDs, because if they did, you wouldn't need mini or microLED technology in the first place. The entire point of mini/microLED is to replicate OLED while using liquid crystals - and if you use organic LEDs, it would just make it an OLED monitor.

"MicroLED" and "MiniLED" aren't standardized terms. There's no set definition or requirement either of them. The rule of thumb is that MiniLED uses LEDs that are over 100 microns in size each, but there are exceptions. For example, AWALL sells MicroLED TVs that have 120 micron LEDs, because it's all the same shit and doesn't matter. Especially when LED size only tells half the story, you also need to know LPI, dimming zones, etc.

>>718991787
I think he was trying to say that it's pointless to buy a 240hz monitor if most games can't even get close to that, then some retard chimed in that he should just use VRR mistaking it for frame gen or something, then everyone got confused and angry

>>718974806 (OP)
yea, I have this model too but black
shit's awesome when games have good hdr or hdr mods
the difference between something like elden ring with hdr vs without is huge

>>718991961
>Anon, LEDs don't display color in IPS panels. Liquid crystals do. The LEDs simply provide backlight.
They're not "self-emissive ", that doesn't even make sense. Of course the LEDs emit, that's what the E in "Light Emitting Diode" stands for. In IPS panels, it's still a separate component from what's actually displaying color. And neither uses organic LEDs, because if they did, you wouldn't need mini or microLED technology in the first place. The entire point of mini/microLED is to replicate OLED while using liquid crystals - and if you use organic LEDs, it would just make it an OLED monitor.
That's literally what I just said you drunk fuck
And the terms are absolutely standardized, not a single person in the industry uses miniled and microled interchangeably

>>718992015
Theres no reason not to buy a 240hz monitor.
Unless you plan to only play the latest AAA games and never ever plan on upgrading the rest of your PC ever. Also the guy was implying he was going to lock his refresh to 90.

Is it worth upgrading from a 1080p TN 144hz 24" to a 1440p IPS 180hz 27" monitor?

>>718992193
yes but itd be better to buy va miniled or oled

>>718992193
yes unless its a dogshit monitor and your gpu isnt a 1050ti toaster

Luv me AW3225QF
Colours are nice
Motion clarity is nice
HDR is real nice
240hz is super nice

>>718992105
>That's literally what I just said you drunk fuck
No, you literally just said:
>MicroLEDs are like self emissive like OLEDs
Which is nonsense.
In an IPS panel, liquid crystals display colors and LEDs provide backlight.
In an OLED panel, the LEDs provide both the color and the backlight.
There is ZERO point for a monitor to have both liquid crystals and have OLEDs. If you want an analogy, it would be like hanging a painting over a second painting.

>And the terms are absolutely standardized, not a single person in the industry uses miniled and microled interchangeably
I just gave an example of a company, AWALL, using the term incorrectly on their $15,000 monitor.
They advertise 120 micron IPS panel as microLED when that should be miniLED according to your sTaNdArDiZaTiOn (there isn't one).

>>718974806 (OP)
>OLED
>planned obsolescence
average ips led or mini-led is way to go.

>>718992326
are you dumb
he didnt say that microleds use organic leds.

>>718992368
Nobody NEEDS more than 800:1.

>>718992368
>ips led or mini led
>https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/longevity-burn-in-test-updates-and-results
>is the way to go
lol
all tech is planned obsolesence

>>718992408
>nobody needs more than an ugly washed out image with 256 colors and horrendous gamma shift and pixelwalk + frc dithering

>>718992418
>posting known OLED shill site
yeah okay - never you'll go quote monitors unboxed

>>718982519
you play tetris, bro.
t. 3090 haver

>>718992460
>monitors unboxed
>shows a thin vertical line that was there day 1
lol

>>718992459
but enough about oleds

Don't buy OLED for a monitor they burn in. Don't know why this still needs to be said at all

>buy 4k oled monitor
>use it to play 20 year old games
feels good man

why does that tn user always deploy bots that say the same shit every time this thread is up, he doesnt even give them a new script just the same copy pasted messages every time and these bots dont even reply to anyone

>>718992626
If it happens after 8 years instead of 3 then it's fine I guess

But I use my monitor as an office PC so that's out of the question

>>718992662
That is just how oled shills operate.

>>718990351
Facts of the matter is that your TV isn't capable of running this better low motion blur solution which emulates the motion clarity of CRTs because you bought a 120hz tv. 240hz bare minimum. The shaderglass app implementation needs work right now, but the progress is happening pretty quickly. 60HZ crt emulation is a pretty big deal if you knew how smooth 60hz on a crt looks.

>>718992819
>tn user = oled shill
forgot to turn off your bot

>>718992780
>i can only use one monitor
why are amerifats so poor and have such small rooms and desks?
does your old display suddenly vanish if you buy a new one?

>>718992927
pathetic excuse

>>718993018
>noo i must buy an expensive monitor and use it for commandprompts and 4chan all day 16h 7 days a week

>>718992780
It's going to happen after months. It's not technology for use as a monitor

>>718993048
>noooo, you just have to turn off your display every time you're not looking at it, so it doesn't burn out
>what's inconvenient about it?

>>718993123
>monitor dies in a few months
I suspect you're exagerating, but if it actually happens warranty exists for that reason (I assume even a corporate shithole like America still has laws about warranty).

>>718993124
my c2 has been on every day for 12h minimum since the day i bought it, wheres the burn in?

did you know you can use wallpaper engine to rotate between pictures set as wallpapers?

>>718993123
>burn in that you can only see in specific colors and using long exposure camera means its dead and unusable

>>718984902
>He is worried about replacing the bulb every 3000* hours on full blast brightness
Yep, you're a poor fag
>He doesn't have an LED or Laser projector which lasts 10 years on full bright if he's so worried about bulb life
>Talking about "smearing " when OLED still ghosts terribly AND still has screen burn in unless you do a screen maintenance every 2 hours
Lol. ROFL even.

No oled screen has ever lasted more than 2 years without burn in. The 3 year warranty is a scam.

>>718993280
>10 years on full bright
why do you talk like you're a thirdy

>>718993280
>oled ghosting
yet you cant show any of this on anything but a phone at minimum brightness
>screen maintenance every 2 hours
every oled monitor let you delay that by 16 hours and is only there for combat retention, it doesnt do anything else, the actual burn in clean up is every 2000 hours.

>>718993286
you know oled tvs have been around since 2010
like people own them
people own phones and all of those are oled these day
the oled monitor trend started with qd oleds like 5 years ago

>>718992927
>let me buy an oled monitor for office use

>>718992927
Post room

>>718993470
thats your idea

>>718993364
"Full Bright" is a projector term, retard. It means running the machine on full fucking energy consumption brightness and color because modern projectors switched to TV style brightness settings and power save modes. Especially if you have a short throw or ultra-short throw projector you don't need to have it at full brightness because they sit closer to a screen.

>Lmaoing @ u

>>718993405
All of which have burn in yes.

>>718993523
And it's fucking retarded isn't it
so it's a reason not to get one

>>718993693
people typically can get an oled monitor for funzies and an lcd for office work simultaneously

>>718974806 (OP)
You could get a 2k OLED monitor and a 4k mini LED tv for less than $1000 combined.
>>718993224
>monitor dies in a few months
No one said that retard

OLED is amazing if;
>never use it for more than an hour at a time
>keep brightness at 50 nits or less
>never, EVER use HDR
>clamp to srgb to reduce wear
>reduce refresh to 60hz to reduce wear
>never use it for web browsing
>never use it for work
>never use it for strategy games/mmos
>only use it in a pitch black room
Other than that, it is flawless.

>>718977161
Upscaling is very good on 4k output. Internal resolution of 1080p or higher produces good results.
Except with some artefacts, but it's still worth it IMO.

I've ran 4K with a second hand 3080 Ti for a year, and the monitor has been the best upgrade I've done in a decade.

>>718980082
ergonomics is a meme

>>718994068
>dude, just render at 1080p lmao
4klets truly are peak consoomers

>>718993962
>never use it for more than an hour at a time
what
>keep brightness at 50 nits or less
typically hdr brightness can go up to 1k nits for spotlights
>never, EVER use HDR
hmmm
>clamp to srgb to reduce wear
srgb is good for accuracy?
>reduce refresh to 60hz to reduce wear
changing color doesnt cause wear
>never use it for web browsing
you probably dont keep chrome blasting full bright white at the static places
>never use it for work
good idea
>never use it for strategy games/mmos
they are unlikely to have large bright static things that make a dent
>only use it in a pitch black room
this is more true for glossy qd oleds, otherwise the rec contro lights somewhat and if you have lights behind you that reflect off the monitor you want matte coating. Woled handles ambient light better than qd oled which has pink tint.

>>718992460
Monitors unboxed is worse than RTINGs because he won't even acknowledge flaws like VRR flicker. At least Rtings never hid such a thing. And they're not even gamer focused, so he has no excuses. If anyone is a bigger shill of the technology then it's him by default.

>>718991327
>4k is retarded.
>you pretty much have to use DLSS shit in every game
And why wouldn't you use it?

DLSS Performance at 4k not only runs better than native 1440p but it looks noticeably better as well. You can literally get better visuals at better performance in modern games.

As for older games that don't have DLSS, well those are old enough that you can already run them at native 4k.

As for people saying 4k is expensive, only if it's OLED. 4k 160hz IPS monitors in 2025 cost less money than 1440p 144hz monitors cost in 2020.

>>718974806 (OP)
Dont buy the msi oleds, the coating gets damaged very easily and they force a oled care cycle where the monitor is unusable for 10-15 minutes every 24 hours. That cycle will also kick in if your monitor goes to sleep and youll end up just waiting for it to finish if you go afk ajd come back. I have had to wait for the oled care cycle to finish so many times that i lost count. Get a woled instead, maybe lg brand.

>>718994365
>woled
lmao

>>718990037
Please respond. If this is not good enough then suggest me a better one.

>>718994365
you are a dumbass and dont know what you are talking about

>10-15 mins every 24hrs
not a single time ever have i had to be forced to do oled care, at the end of the day when i go to sleep, the monitor does it thing for 5 mins at most, nobody normal is on their pc non stop un-inturrupted from 8am until midnight. you can also stop the oled care shit mid cycle

>>718982519
I have a 5080 and it struggles at 1440p native maxed ultra settings in any new game, so what bullshit are you telling me, fucking faggot. What games are you playing poor nigger???

>>718994439
Not him but why doesn't it mention washed out blacks of QD-OLED in well lit rooms?
This is my main issue with those.

>>718994681
That thing can't even run RDR2 maxed out at 1080p lmao.

>>718974806 (OP)
I had a 4 32 and a 27 2k one
Sent the 4k back because ot was too expensive for me but 4k is next level and my aim for the Future
If you can afford it and have the hw for it go for it
Its awesome

>>718994774
That wasn't what the investigation was about. If you actually want to read and understand (>implying /v/ wants to understand technology) go nuts.

>https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/exploring-oled-brightness-improvements-woled-vs-qd-oled-and-the-need-for-new-metrics-and-specs

>>718974806 (OP)
4K OLED only make sense for TVs. For desktop monitor, you can get by with a 27 inches 1440p IPS.

>>718994361
Only people with 4k screens know this, and they're like 2% of the PC userbase. It'll become common knowledge one day though.

>>718993576
>projector
>full bright
>like 100 nits
lol
>need to run it only at night in order to use it without downsides
>bulb cost as much as a monitor

>>718994774
>Not him but why doesn't it mention washed out blacks of QD-OLED in well lit rooms?
Does everyone not game at night time? or at least have access to some blinds? i play all my games in a dark room and it's pretty much identical to how a WOLED looks at that point. I've put them side by side so i know. Even if it has better blacks in a well lit room, i think brightness still suffers in any scenario regardless unless your light sources are dimmed in the first place with a WOLED. So to me it's a bizarre complaint about QD-OLED vs WOLEDs if you're gaming in that scenario in the first place of where light reflecting on the screen can make it harder for the image to look at it's best anyway.

PROTIP: Make sure to sit the correct distance from your screen. Also don't get mad when you realise you are sitting too far away as many anons seem to for some inexplicable reason when presented with science.

https://www.ecoustics.com/articles/optimal-hdtv-size-viewing-distances/
https://carltonbale.com/home-theater/home-theater-calculator/
https://www.benq.com/en-ap/knowledge-center/knowledge/whats-the-best-viewing-distance-for-a-1440p-gaming-monitor.html

>>718994879
Once they drop to around 700€ for 32" 4K models I will simply pick up two different models and return one after some empirical testing.
I don't like bright screens I don't have a way to measure exact brightness of my monitor right now but I'm using 15/100 brightness on 400nit peak IPS.
Nearly everything is still SDR so HDR will only matter for small % of games.

>>718974806 (OP)
My opinion is that you need 60fps 4k for 3rd person games and 120 4k for fps.

>>718995351
anyone spending 1k € on a 4k monitor will spend at least as much for a gpu
and that gpu better fucking play the games above 120 fps with dlss

>>718994636
Do you work for msi or are you just retarded? You probably never leave your desk which is why you dont notice the cycle. Also you cant stop the cycle at all if its been 24 hours and it hasnt run, it forces itself and if you skip it, it just waits a minute and reenters the care cycle. They only recently changed it to 24 hours, it used to force itself at 16 hours. So you can only skip the cycle so many times. If you let your monitor go to sleep the care cycle kicks in.
>you can just skip it and it shouldnt matter as long as you dont use your computer for 24 hours straight!!
That’s still a very obtrusive experience to have to manually cancel the cycle. I barely have time to use the computer in my house thats running with that monitor and its still a pain in the ass.

>when i go to sleep it runs for 5 minutes at most
How the fuck would you know how long it takes when you’re sleeping? Its definitely longer than 5 minutes you stupid cunt. What a white knighting little faggot you are lmao

>>718995231
>PROTIP: Make sure to sit the correct distance from your screen
>hdtv viewing distances
Alright but you do realize you're giving irrelevant advice since the topic of the thread is monitors? when what matters about monitors is the distance in which your eyes get the correct amount of peripheral vision to see the entire screen without having to move your head, that is crucial for competitive gaming and how you want to figure out how far you push your monitor back. TV fags put themselves in some weird position of where they pick some incredibly oversized thing that is objectively bad for FPS because it requires sitting too far away from it. Loss of scene information and they'll always be slower at spotting people.

4K gaming enables you to appreciate the low detail LOD models in the distance better and not much more. But if you like movie games where there is heavy DOF constantly this is obscured.

>OLED
>10 years
Lol, lmao, even. You'll be lucky to get 3 years out of it.

4k is fantastic, but not at sizes as small as 32". 4k starts at 40".

>>718996087
>when what matters about monitors is the distance in which your eyes get the correct amount of peripheral vision to see the entire screen without having to move your head, that is crucial for competitive gaming and how you want to figure out how far you push your monitor back.
All of this is completely irrelevant.

All that matters is PPD, which is a factor of how far away you're sitting from your display. The correct PPD is 60, this is the sweet spot between performance and visual quality, and corresponds to 20/20 visual acuity.

An 8k monitor at 60 PPD will just barely fit in your field of view. A 4k one takes up 60 degrees of horizontal FOV, and a 1080p one takes up 30 degrees of FOV.

The problem with TVs is that people generally don't understand PPD, which is why a lot of worthless 4k screens are getting sold. For a living room, 4k is a minimum of 80 inches, because a couch has longer viewing distances than a desk does.

>>718974806 (OP)
OLED is literally a next gen feeling experience.

>>718996087
Absolute brainlet take. The maths behind what these distance calculators spit out is based on visual acuity so the difference between TV usage and monitor usage is irrelevant.

I always wanted an qd-oled. but I only play one game with static hud elements and am too afraid of burn in. Why aren't there any good mini ips monitors? Why is the monitor market so fucked?

>>718998178
>Why is the monitor market so fucked?
A lot of reasons, but generally it's because 4k is starting to hit diminishing returns. Graphics stalled 20 years ago, optimisation went out the window, and so monitor makers want to force you to switch to OLED, which guarantees that they'll have your business for life because you'll need a new monitor every 3 years. It's just the lightbulb consortium shit all over again.

>>718994681
Even the 5090 struggles at 1080p on new games. It can't hit 30 fps on Cyberpunk 2077, a 5 year old game. What kind of examples are those? The 3090 is fairly mediocre now, but it can certainly play more than 99.9% of all games that have ever existed at 2160p@180.

>>718978707
Just maintain it well
Get some nice curtains, lower your brightness and set a black screen saver
That's 30 bucks and 10 minutes of work to benefit forever

>>718998978
I 'member when 1080p was going to be a meme forever unless you had a jumbotron TV because for all other uses it was way past diminishing returns at AT MOST 1600x1200 was what you would ever need, but realistically 1280x1024 was the limit.

>>718999223
If my waifu isn't visible on my desktop 24/7 how else with other anons know she is taken and NOT for lewds or lovin' by them!? You have clearly overlooked a critical use case.

>>718992879
60hz CRTs don't look smooth at all. Sure, they don't have persistence blur, but they still look like shit.

>>718999223
>maintain it
Why? It's just a monitor.

>>718992660
Finally a /v/ nigga that knows how to use a 4k monitor.

>>718999101
Where can you even find a benchmark of a 5090 1080p max RT. Your picture says 4k which you know is a lot more pixels than 1080p

>>718999576
They call me...jack.

>>718999596
It's a 5 year old game. Games made now expect hardware with more than 4 times the performance so they don't hit 30 fps at 1080p.

>>718999596
It's DLSS Performance at 4K, it renders at 1080p

>>718999671
24fps is fine.

>>718995139
Wrong, wrong, and wrong retard.

Bulb and laser projectors are brighter than any OLED. They don't use Nits, they use Lumens to register machine brightness. And modern projectors are super bright that you can use them in the day time. Sneed more.

>>718999508
It's an expensive and really nice looking monitor
Do you think buying an expensive car means it'll automatically wash and repair itself?
Besides that maintenance I mentioned is a one time process and pulling those curtains takes 5 seconds

>>718999671
>Even the 5090 struggles at 1080p on new games. It can't hit 30 fps on Cyberpunk 2077, a 5 year old game.
https://youtu.be/iMW58XFuYwQ?t=27
Not a very authoritative source but looks like it can definitely blow past 30 fps easily in max RT.

>>718999927
>33 fps
Wow. Also it's PT, not RT. No one cares about RT in a 5 year old game.

After getting an oled i'm not going back to lesser display types. If mine dies i'll get another until microLED or QDEL become affordable form ere mortals.

My IPS 4k monitor is now 10 years old and it'll go for another 10 meanwhile in 10 years you'll have to replace your oled twice maybe three times.

>>718994361
>4k 160hz IPS monitors in 2025 cost less money than 1440p 144hz monitors cost in 2020.
don't remind me
I spent like $800 on a 1440p 144hz TN panel monitor a long time ago, like years before covid
I pretty much only use it as a tertiary or troubleshooting monitor now and I can't see myself ever gaming on it again

>>718999447
It still looks infinitely better than blur we've been subjected to LCDs and current OLEDs. That is what my eyes tell me between the two. As long as you can run that UFO test and the eyes on the alien are crystal clear while moving across the screen, as you track it per row of pixels and it does not blur. That's where it would be at the point of where i consider it near perfection in motion clarity. There is no actual point of perfection yet. But the right direction is still CRT beam simulation because of what's noticeable immediately to the human eye. Or at least in my position what my eyes are able track because i cannot see the limits of a CRT monitor, my eyes may not be fast enough to track it. There's probably still a certain grey zone between the information I'm missing. But if it's imperceptible most of the time then it's not an issue.

Why do people fall for the wide gamut meme?

>>718974806 (OP)
>keep it for 10 years
not gonna happen

It's gonna be a pain waiting Black Friday for mine.

>>718999372
Except this time it’s true with oled

>>718977161
pretty much this
wait until you can afford both high end GPU and CPU then buy a brand new OLED after setting it up
unless you know in advance that the system you already have can perform sufficiently in the applications you care about I would just do what I described above that way you can handle pretty much anything and not worry about bottlenecks