Thread 718994934

Primal Planet dev sees no problem with the fact that 100%ing your character in his 8 hour indie metroidvania would take 400 hours of grinding

??

Seems fine, you aren't owed completionism. If it's an indie game you can just cheat the EXP too. Why get mad about this

And neither do I

>>718995047
its not about completionism at all. it would take 50 hours to fully upgrade health alone. that is retarded

tedious grind is always bad. you need to kill 250 t-rexes to level your health to max. there are only 10 in the game

Does each skill level do anything substantial or is it just percentage increases per level? Regardless, unless there's a secret boss, enemy level scaling or some end-game content that requires you to be at max level, then I don't see the problem. The developer simply put the skill max level somrwhere high for people to get as high as they can as they go through the game depending on their playstyle.

>>718995241
Is the game designed in a way that requires you to max out skills?
Like do you NEED to max something out or are you just autistic?

>>718995353
there is next to none postgame content.

its not even about max skill either. the xp scaling kicks in really early. when I beat the game, I had about 5% of all skills unlocked/upgraded

Oh look, another white boy thinks of game design not in terms of logic but in terms of ~vibes~, fucking hate those pretentious devs

So don't max out your stats

You can read the laughter when he's writing out
>different type of player

The correct response to this whiner is to increase the caps.

>>718995241
That is when you rev up cheatengine.

>>718995241
I don't understand why you feel the need to max out every upgrade tree.

If the dev is autistic and wants players to have the option to grind for hundreds of hours to increase their health pool to absurd levels, what's the problem? You don't have to do it, stop being a cheevo whore.

>>718994934 (OP)
He did it just to fuck with OCD retards, I can respect it.

The complainer sounds like a faggot, but he's right. What's the point of a mechanic that your game is never going to use? What's the point of a cap so high that reaching it requires playtime several dozens of times longer than your actual game? It's just pointless. The dev is just as autistic if he can't see why doing it this way makes no sense. If you want limits in your game, make it a limit that people can actually reach within the scope of the game. Otherwise there's just no point.

>>718995909
this isn't about the skill caps, retard, its about the abysmal rate of xp gain

>>718994934 (OP)
this is why discord and players giving "feedback" is a mistake
the players are always retarded and will want the game catered to them personally every single time

>>718996296
Do you have to level every skill to max? No? it's like the dev is trying to teach you something. If there's no point in doing something then don't do it.
It's like collecting all the 900 or whatever seeds in BotW and getting rewarded with literal poop, you're not supposed to do it, retard.

>>718996296
This only makes sense if you have autism, and believe that the cap is there to be hit. What is the issue about the game offering more skill options than you can reasonably pick in the game?

What exactly harms your experience if the cap is set at 100 instead of 5?

>>718995047
>you aren't owed completionism.
And you're not owed compliance. Shit game design is shit game design, regardless of how you justify it. If you can't accept criticism, don't get in that line of work.

>>718995559
So who cares then?

>>718996757
Your critique makes no sense to anyone with a functioning brain, which is why this thread is filled with people laughing at you.

You aren't owed respect when your point makes no fucking sense.

>>718996719
>>718995474
Much like you don't need to suck developer cock yet here we are. Shaft so deep down your throat that it's coming out your ass.

>>718996296
The max amount of golden eggs for max stats a character can get in Vampire Survivors is 3.402823E+38
Will you feel like your life is ruined if you can't live long enough to hit that cap with every single character?

>>718994934 (OP)
Just go back to playing bethesda games

> lookup the game
> it is absolute mediocre average onions pixelsht

cant make this up
nu-/v/

>>718996839
Man, you really thought this thread was going to have everyone on your side, didn't you?

You have autism. You need to find a better outlet than needing to do EVERYTHING in games.

>>718994934 (OP)
It's either that you can upgrade everything and it's limited only by your own free time, or that you can't upgrade everything because of levelcap/limited upgrade materials.

>>718996821
>Your critique makes no sense to anyone with a functioning brain
My "critique" is that shit game design is the one that doesn't account for proper balancing. This makes sense to everyone that isn't a filthy cock sucking nigger. So I can see why it wouldn't make sense to you. Don't worry about it bud, nobody is going to touch your precious developers, you can continue to cockslober them ad-nauseum past the point of all reason.
Funny you keep going on about "you aren't owed" considering the only one expecting they're owed something is you. Everyone is just pointing out the obvious, you're the only one arguing against reason instead of a mechanic. While everyone else is explaining why bad design is a problem, you're attacking the people instead of the point. I don't know why your father felt it appropriate to abandon you in your infancy and deprive you of the ability to learn how to act like a fucking man, but I'm not, nor do I have interest in being him, so go to someone else to show you how not to be a bitch, you ameboid inbred mouth breathing cunt.

>>718996890
It's probably the dev himself faking a controversy to promote his game.

>>718995559
Seems more that the skill caps are way too high than experience rates being too low. I know nothing about the game, but the dev could probably cut the skill caps by 2/3 and the game wouldn't be missing anything. The dev just chooses not to, and while that's a dumb decision, it's theirs to make. It's not needed for anything, you're not missing out on anything, so just don't do it.

>>718994934 (OP)
Perfect case of player entitlement. There are tons of cases where that accusation is thrown around just to delegitimize reasonable player complaints, but here, the charge is just. The idea that you should be able to max everything out in one playthrough stems from a desire to have everything. No real hurdles, no real limitations, just give me everything. Literal babies.

>>718995241
>NO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND I HAVE TO ACQUIRE AND MAX OUT EVERY STAT AND SKILL
Skyrim and its consequences have been a disaster for the video game industry.

>>718996897
>EVERYONE IS OP!!
You need to take your meds, no wonder you're taking a mentally ill stance, you're in constant state of schizophrenia.

>>718996839
Whining about something someone made and demanding they change it to suit you is pussy soccer mom behavior. The developer has a vision. Don't like it? Don't play it. Eat shit.

>>718996839
It's okay, the developer only invested into 4% cock skill so it's not that long.

>>718995241
>tedious grind is always bad.
Then don't grind.

>>718994934 (OP)
I don't see the issue. Not everything has to be for everyone. You want to be a completionist but you're not willing to put in the grind, and there's nothing wrong with that. Just put the game down once you beat it.

>>718997010
How is not being able to max out your skills "shit game design"?

You feel like you are owed completionist status for playing the game, and you get visibly upset when you realise what you actually have to do for it.

A normal person would go "that's nuts, I'm not doing that, I'll go have fun playing something else", but you believe you are OWED 100% completion because you played the game, and your autism creates a mental block because you now consider the game unfair for not letting you do what you thought you were going to be able to do. It's purely a failing with you. Your brain is so fucked that you think you need to do everything in a game, and your brain is so fucked that you get mad when you can't. Normal people don't act like this.

>>718997059
There is no way for regular users to verify which post belongs to which user, you don't seem to grasp the concept of redundancy.

> all of this because of some bottom of the barrel pixelshit

silksong cant come soon enough

>>718997169
>and your autism creates a mental block because you now consider the game unfair for not letting you do what you thought you were going to be able to do.
And it's honestly hilarious how tormented OP is over that. Autism truly is something else without treatment.

>>718997260
Look at the post cooldown, he made that almost a minute after >>718997010.

This is the issue with schizos, they always post on cooldown.

>>718996890
>onions pixelsht

>>718997296
Now I honestly wonder what other games this retard has played that he considers "fair" in the realm of maxing out everything in the game. He must not play JRPGs, surely?

>indie pixelshit
>discord circlejerks for indie pixelshit
jesas

>>718997015
wrong

>>718996897
>>718997039
>>718997168
see
>>718996390

I have literally never maxed out/100% a game since Harry Potter 3 on gameboy. I dont give a shit about completionism. I just wanna be able to upgrade my oxygen without basically softlocking my character because he didn't use those perk points on double jump

All this arguing and no one even showed off the skill tree.
Turns out the skills are, outside of a small handful of necessary one-time upgrades, just making stats go up.
You get the double jump, dash, underwater breathing and inventory space upgrades for just a small handful of skill points and you're good.
This is the equivalent of grinding to Level 99 in Final Fantasy or some other RPG even though you can beat it easily at 30. Almost every FF has a trick to hit max level relatively quick, but no one complains that the game can be beaten well below the max, nor about a grind that doesn't get you to the maximum in a "reasonable" amount of time.

>>718997476
...newfag

>>718996839
I don't even know what that game is. You just sound like an autistic completionist and I don't mean that as an insult.
Does the game require you to max shit?

>>718997836
So you're upset that you used all your skill points on stupid shit you didn't need, and you ignored the critical upgrades that anyone with half a brain would take first like double jump?

This is a more reasonable complaint, but ultimately the fault still lies with you. The dev shouldn't have to plan for spergs deciding "I'm going to max out my oxygen first before I get any real upgrades", normal people would prioritise the important stuff first over the fucking minor 20% buffs that the game can easily be beaten without using.

>>718994934 (OP)
It's funny how you came here thinking you will get any kind of support about your personal autism. Enjoy everyone shitting on you. And then kill yourself, clown.

>>718997845
>You get the double jump, dash, underwater breathing and inventory space upgrades for just a small handful of skill points and you're good.
why is there an option to not get them if they're necessary? if you don't already know what they do because you've played shitty bottom barrel metroidvanias before, there's no natural reason to assume what is critical to progression

>>718997969
my example was hypothetical. i did pick double jump. I wanted to demonstrate that starving a player of skill points causes them to completely ignore large amounts of the skill tree

>>718997887
>implying jokes are for new people only

>>718998180
It's mostly true, most oldfags lost their sense of humor long ago

>>718998180
>>718998303
go back to plebbit

>>718998179
So?

>>718998179
I don't understand why it's an issue that players beat the game while only investing a couple of points into health or o2, then.

Clearly the game is designed so you can beat it without anything but the critical upgrades, which you weren't retarded enough to ignore, so I can't grasp your complaint. You feel like it's a "waste" to have skills most people won't use? They're minor improvement so if you take lots of damage you can get a few more health points, or if you get lost underwater you can hold your breath longer, it's player choice. If the game was cripplingly difficult and expected you to grind for 400 hours to get enough stat gains to beat it, I could understand your complaint.

>>718998043
> hasn't played the game or read any of my clarifications award

go fuck yourself nigger

>>718998350
Pull my finger bitch

>>718994934 (OP)
Dev is right. The game would be balanced around the exp curve, if you want to grind to max out everything that's you being retarded.

>>718996839
>Dev removes half the levels
Problem?

>>718994934 (OP)
If the game's fully completable and doesn't feel like you're missing anything specific then it doesn't really matter right?
Yeah it's quite an odd decision to have skill caps be so absurdly high if it takes 50x the usual playtime to max everything and that can be confusing. But if it's not necessary and nothings really locked behind it then who cares

i played this pixelslop for a bit, the nigger dev put a "swim 10 minutes straight to reach other side of the area" water area as the second-last area in the game

and the game has upgradeable oxygen meter

good thing i always use cheat engine to bypass all these filler grind systems

>>718994934 (OP)
What's wrong with this exactly? This reeks of zoomer completionist dopamine fried brain

>>718994934 (OP)
>it's a preference
>can't please everyone
this is the mindset of a failed game dev. you're not making something that fits your personal austistic preference, you're making a game to market to a broad range of people, the majority of which do not share your autistic preference.

>>718995241
Do you need your health maxed out?

>>718996839
Are you the faggot in the screencap?
Lmao

>>718998961
>you're not making something that fits your personal austistic preference, you're making a game to market to a broad range of people

>>718997836
Wow, you mean the levelling system requires you to actually think about what to level and make sacrifices? Whoaaaaa how crazy they should just give you all the levels at the start of the game instead! In fact, don't even have a game, just show the credits when you boot the game, that'll save time.

>>718998583
Ive decompiled the game and looked at the code. the dev is the one who is retarded

>>718998818
this is true

>>718998961
You are the type of person responsible for the industry going to shit. A long time ago the AA and AAA industry were full of developers with passion and visions making weird and unique shit, now it's all the same endless slop meant to appeal to as many people as humanly possible.

>>718998818
>swim 10 minutes to get to the other level

That’s kino tho

I'm going to have 998 collectible gems in my game.

>>718998961
>you're making a game to market to a broad range of people, the majority of which do not share your autistic preference.
Based on reviews it would seem that 90% of people do share his autistic preference.

>>718998961
>please casualize your game for me
You lost OP

>>718998961
>you have lived long enough to see /v/ermin champion casualization
grim

>>718999075
> think about choices and make sacrifices
ah yes, I just completed my ''upgrade my club and whack everything to death'' build. cant wait to play it again and make a ''upgrade my oxygen and poison resistance'' build. much variety, very meaningful choices

>>718999579
OP is genuinely probably 16 years old. His brain has been rotted by TikTok. I'm shocked he even played the game and didn't just watch a YouTuber do it.

Completionists are retards that need to learn to get over it. Normalise adding achievements where you have to spamclick a specific pixel in an area for 20 hours straight.

>>718999371
Have a tracker that reads 998/999 but there is no 999th gem to complete the collection.

>>718999172
> spending several hours grinding a boss in dark souls because its a hard game
> dying of drowning damage because the developer didn't give you enough perk points
> theyre the same picture
kys retard

>>718999172
>A long time ago... developers with passion and visions making weird and unique shit
You need to be older than 18 to post on 4chan.

>>718994934 (OP)
yeah, and? clearly stated you're not meant to upgrade everything or max out almost anything

>>718995241
this complaint is retarded. the design is clearly that you AREN'T MEANT TO MAX IT OUT. period. you're meant to make do with what you have and seemingly be choosy about where you put your points
this is not a problem whatsoever. it is no different than if he just reduced the maximum of any skill by 90%, then you can "max it out" like a retard but still be playing at the level of strength the dev intents and wants you to be at. except now you've removed choice entirely, its no longer important what you pick because you can max most or all of them anyway

>>718998961
Trying to please everyone pleases no one. I’d rather developers stick to their vision than bend to the whims of butthurt retards like you online. Developers shouldn’t even be interacting with fans, it has not had a positive impact on video games. Literally just go play something else, faggot.

>>718994934 (OP)
And?
Those games are made by and for autists

>>718994934 (OP)
He said it
You are not supposed to upgrade everything
Do you get mad at games with level caps that force you to choose upgrade paths since you cant unlock it all too?

>>718999889
grinding to sl712 is the same picture. you have mental problems

>>718999949
Are you gonna sit here and say the libraries for the PS1/N64 and GCN/Xbox/PS2 weren't chock full of weird and unique passion projects?

>>719000127
see
>>718999889

>>719000323
see
>>719000240

>>718998445
*pulls your finger and you fart but its a shart and now your pants are wet*

>>718998818
>"swim 10 minutes straight to reach other side of the area"
>But climb a ladder for 15 minutes at the end of mgs3 thats kino
Whys it only bad when indie guy does stuff like this?

>>718995241
Do you need to do that?
Or is this a Dark Souls situation?

>>718994934 (OP)
the only design flaw is that skills can be maxed. there should be no caps

>>719000374
random quints when replying to a retard, i am a lucky guy

>>718995241
Based Dev's trolling complition ocd faggots.
More games should that.

>>718995241
i don't like vegeta but
>i relish the challenge
and i will feel no sense of completion after doing it? i live for that.

>>719000678
Those aren't quints, they're... sexes?

>>719000323
>cant upgrade all stat points in rpg game
The horror.
But anyway seems like you can if you wanna waste your time grinding for it
Since you liked to a post about dark souls tho remind me. How many hours does it take to get to get to max level around 700? Oh yeah and depending on your starting class in dark souls your max level will be different

>>718994934 (OP)
*boots up cheat engine*
heh...
nothing personel gamedev...

>>718994934 (OP)
I agree with the notion, but the execution is overtuned.
Most likely scenario is that the exp/level system was some kind of exponential formula, and the maker isn’t assed enough to edit it.

The dev should add a final level that alone takes 10 years in game to grind

>>718998818
I understand everything now. This is one of those games that goes out of its way to subvert your expectations for the sake of it, rather than whether or not it's a good idea. I don't hate it. It's memorable enough, and it's worth a chuckle. That's about it though.

>>718994934 (OP)
I don’t know what it is about discord that physically makes my skin crawl.

>>718994934 (OP)
>Argue with literal dev
>Lose
>Seethe
>Come to 4chan instead
>Argue with anons
>Lose
>Seethe even more

>>718997845
>Almost every FF has a trick to hit max level relatively quick
This actually sounds interesting, could you give some examples?

>>718998818
>>718999135
I refuse to believe there's no alternative because that's too fucking hilarious

>>719001594
Don't worry, the debug mode accessible only to the dev allows him to teleport past all of this, people implementing shit like this into their games rarely bother actually doing it themselves

>>719000987
> if lvl 1-5
> maximumxp = 100
> if lvl 6-10
> maximumxp = 150
> ...repeat 18 more times
im not kidding

>>719001594
the alternative (riding a dolphin) was added in patch 2, lmao

>>718994934 (OP)
>dev implements simple build variety in skill trees for replayability
>autists hate it
Many such cases. If you want it that badly, just cheat in a 10x exp gain modifier or something desu.
This sort of thing is only ever an issue when you can't feasibly dump everything into one stat/skill/what-have-you and max it out through normal gameplay. Since you evidently can with other skills to spare, this is a nothingburger.

>>719001703
Why didn't they just
>maximumxp=100+(lvl-1)/5*50

>>719001703
>Play runescape
>Xp required for a level 50 stat
>101,332 xp
>Xp required for a level 99 stat
>13,034,431 xp

>>719002002
Weird runescape gets away with it, but at this point, the grind is the game there.

>>719002002
You know what they say.
92 is half of 99.

Crackdown was fun, maxing out your stats

>>719000000
https://voca.ro/14xKfCdpl98N

>>719001892
see
>>718999686

>>719001976
because he's retarded
he doesn't even use for loops.
he doesn't use inheritance either
he barely even uses functions, most of his code is in _ready or _process (start and awake equivalents)

>>719000000
what a waste

>>718994934 (OP)
Thats the point pf skill points, to limit you so you cant get every powerup

>>719002447
Yeah, and? That's exactly how build variety works. One playthrough you club shit to death, next playthrough you stealth your way through, next one after that you make some uber fuck-you meta build, next one you try to avoid certain mechanics entirely, next one after that you try to make the dumbest combo possible that you can still cheese the game with, next one after that you upgrade nothing whatsoever and rawdog it; hell, maybe after that, you could even undergo that 400-hour grind and try godmoding everything. Anyone can play however they want as many times as they want to, which is good when you're aiming for a wide playerbase. It's baffling that I have to explain this.

>>718994934 (OP)
It sounds like players are not supposed to be able to max out a skill. This is an incredibly easy fix.
>remove the skill cap so all skills are infinite
or
>hide the fact that there is a skill cap
I don't know a single thing about this game or even what game it is, but if players are having a problem with not being able to cap out and you don't want them to be able to cap out, simply remove the cap (or the perception of one) and the problem is solved.
Now it sound like there might be another issue that may need to be addressed and that is the rate at which you level up vs the benefits gained from doing so. This is also an easy fix.
>make leveling up more impactful with larger bonuses/abilities
or
>increase the xp players receive/adjust the xp needed to level up so that players are hitting levels faster and feel like they are making progress
Additionally you can introduce soft caps to skills either by making the xp needed to level up exponential or by making the bonuses from leveling up diminish exponentially. At a certain point it either becomes improbable or not worth the grind to level up that skill any more.

You both are fucking retarded and a waste of air.

>>719002002
> compares an indie metroidvania to an mmorpg
I played a lot of runescape. I liked it. not remotely the same tho

>>719000432
Let me guess thinking about that makes your cock hard?

>>719002850
you either beat your enemies to death with a club, a spear or a bone. there is no stealth playstyle. you also cant bypass bosses without killing them

>>718994934 (OP)
>8 hour indie
Then why are you maxing all skills if the game has no other content? Just move on

>>719002447
You know decompiled and normal code is COMPLETELY different in structure right?

>>719002396
ゲ?

>>718995474
sir, please don't ask question
just get mad and then wait for next thread

>>718994934 (OP)
Sounds like they solved the problem that makes metroidvanias too damn easy.

It doesn't look like there's even any achievement for maxing your skills so it's not like you need to do it for 100% completion. The theoretical limit being arbitrarily high doesn't mean you're intended to reach it, especially since it sounds like this game doesn't have the content to justify such a grind. If you're compelled by your autism to waste hundreds of hours of your life doing so, that's on you.

>>718994934 (OP)
fucking with completionfags is based

>>718996296
Clearly he could have even let it uncapped, the player isn't supposed to max anything in a playthrough and that is a valid game design. You just level up whatever and define your character that way. This design should even be much more common in rpgs btw

>>719003450
gdscript basically isnt, as far as I know
also, no compiler would create a 40 line if statement like: >>719001703

$20 for a game? you best believe i want to 100% it

>>719003667
If you make it too hard people will get bored early and will drop it early because just 1% of progression takes too much effort and it is not fun, retard, there is SHITTONS of examples on steam store, forever forgotten

>>718994934 (OP)
imagine being autistic over a game that looks like this

>>718994934 (OP)
play the game again focusing on different stats?

>>719004005
KEK
E
K

Cavestory from 25 years ago looked better

>>719004136
see
>>718999686

>>719004403
sorry didn’t realize at the time of writing that the game is irredeemably retarded

> 99% of comments call me a completionist
I doomed this thread by mentioning 100%ing your character.

>>719000691
agreed, based dev. good on him for standing up for his choice too

>>718998961
>t.EA executive

Imagine going to a restaurant and when you give them your order they give you a 55 gallon barrel full of your drink. And so you raise an eyebrow but they just smile and say "you're not supposed to drink the whole thing." Like nigga why give me the whole thing then? I mean I'm not complaining just curious.

>>719004610
>noooo I'm not a completionists, I just get rashes if I don't max out bar

>>719004840
Except it's more like they give you a normal drink with free refills so you feel compelled to keep ordering refills until you deplete their entire 55 gallon barrel.

>>719004906
And they aren't even mad about you doing it, they fill your cup every time. They're a little perplexed though.

>>719004906
I'd frequent that resturant

Completionistfags are fucking brainrotted, beat the game and move on you fucking faggot

>>719004005
are you Obey The Fist?

>>719001703
Scaling like this is only fine if you end naturally like 70-80% of the way there.

This game is ok. Good controls and movement.

>>719005242
you dont, unfortunately. it's more like 5-10%

>>719005489
Yeah then the dev absolutely fucked up the scaling for no reason.

tempted to just make a m9d that awards a separate "utility points'' fpr investing in things like oxygen and other gay shit

>>718994934 (OP)
Sounds fine. Dark souls lets you max your stats but no sane human ever bothers. There's no point because the game isn't balanced around 99 in any stat.

>>718998961
So you're one of them games are only products guys

>>718995241
Just cheat your stats like every well adjusted power fantasy fan / completionism autismo instead of making a stink, fag.

Sounds like he's right, and completionists are being weirdos, as usual.

I agree with the dev. Fuck the autistic shitters. I vividly remember how much seething I got on /v/ when I said I beat botw in 30 hours and quit playing. I'm not grinding shit in games

>>718994934 (OP)
You sound like the kind of guy that HAD to get level 99 characters in Etriam Odyssey 2.

>beat the game
>pulls out cheat engine to get 100% if I can bother
What's the problem?

>>719007038
that's how you're supposed to play BotW. You don't notice how much of the content is copy and pasted, that way.

>>719007054
And he is right to do is since you are a retard.

>>719007054
funny thing is that he agreed with me at first, but then I seemingly pissed him off and he backtracked

>>718995353
Early on it seems designed so you can easily get a point on many skills, but 2 or more points get drastocally more expensive. Like it takes 1 point for one level, then 3 for the next one.
That said I saved for the double jump which costs 6 and got it before the intro was over. Like 30 minutes in.

I'm going to max out caveman ninja star damage and capacity, resource gathering, and speed. Any questions?

>>719008786
love how the people who (somewhat) agree with me are the people who actually played the game

>>718994934 (OP)
I see how this is a problem for autistic people that want to max out every single stat in a game even when doing so serves not real purpose.
But its not a problem at all for normal functioning people who just want to play and finish the game.
Enjoy your 400 hours of meaningless grind autie.

>>718994934 (OP)
>the game isn't designed for you to max every skill and doing so will take a very very long time
>this game is bad because I'm trying to max every skill and it's taking a very very long time

>>719009221
>>719009507
didnt read the thread award. also, i like the game. its pretty good

Completionist autism vs "I am the dev and you VILL experience ze game in the exact way I intended you to play it and you VILL be happy" autism

>>719010325
>"I am the dev and you VILL experience ze game in the exact way I intended you to play it and you VILL be happy"
I much prefer this over design by discord committee

>>718994934 (OP)
>you are not supposed to upgrade everything
sounds reasonable to me. why do you NEED to max out your character?

>>718996876
>Needs over 30k eggs which can clear any content
That's autism

>>719009662
Why the fuck does anyone need to read the entire thread to respond to the op?

>>719013218
see
>>719004610
>>718996390

>>719010454
They are usually the same thing

>>718994934 (OP)
If your game takes 8 hours to clear (story) than 100%ing it should not take longer than 3x that.

wait until retard op discovers Disgaea's extra content

>>718994934 (OP)
the modern gamer really cannot comprehend a game that isn't designed to be 100%ed. like botw didn't have 900 korok seeds so that people collect 900 seeds. it had them so that no matter where you go, you'll be able to find some.

>have game that is fine
>dev raises the level cap arbitrarily
>game retroactively becomes terribly designed grindy garbage according to autists
God I am sick of having to listen to fucking retards like OP.

>>718994934 (OP)
if you don't need to max out everything to beat the game then why care?

>>718994934 (OP)
they offer me tedious grind, I unzip cheat engine.

>>719015896
BotW at least acknowledges you getting all the seeds though. This game doesn't even give you a pity poop for maxing out your skills.

>>719016118
i know this is weird in today's world but there used to be a time where people thought it sensible not to reward or encourage mental illness

>>718996879
>class president
bros... i thought he was one of us...
in reality he would give the average /v/irgin a wedgie. who do we worship now?

>>718994934 (OP)
Devs should make it impossible to max out. And you would throw a fit for having to choose.
It's a non problem anon.

>>718996879
Have you apologized to GODD HOWARD yet, /v/?

>>718994934 (OP)
I don't see a problem with this, if you're not supposed to do it then you're not supposed to, if you can max out every skill by the end of a run then it's kinda pointless having them at all, skills are better as something you choose to specialise in, not grind to max out
That being said, I haven't played the game so it might just be a terrible system

>>719009662
>read thread
>everyone already called you a retard

>>718995047
>aren’t owed
Perfect, “I have nothing to add but I want to disagree with you” phrase.

Have no idea what's going on in this thread, but whoever said "you have to read the entire thread before you can reply" should kill himself.

Same goes for "MagicJinn" who clearly posted this thread after getting rolled.

>>719017239
>Add achievement
>Actually you're not supposed to achieve it

Ironic isn't it. I think the argument here is why is it there in the first place (with the absurdity of the lengths you have to get it in the first place, to back that up), rather than contemplating actually doing it.

A good amount of people buy games with sole intention to 100% them, especially small indie games like whatever OP is talking about. Casting as wide of a net as possible without detracting from your intended game experience. If the Dev makes that net smaller, even for OP, he's missing a sale. If he didn't want sales, the game would be free otherwise.
The Dev sounds like a retard and OP can always just not do the achievement. Anyone new looking into this game and seeing a theoretically impossible achievement is going to be deterred away.

>>719019278
that anon is a faggot and should go back
I read the OP and maybe the last 3 posts then interject in arguments I know no context of

>>719016586
he's old/v/core not neo/v/
i started posting here in 07 and was on student council, dweeb
now get in the locker

>>719019862
i sometimes read parts of the thread
but not this because i'm not reading a thread about trannycord or whatever shithole is the pic from

>>718998961
Do you work for Activision, EA or Ubisoft?

Is the max level 100? Seems like the highest cheevo i see.
13.1% did, i doubt they all cheated

>>718994934 (OP)
It's a weird decision but it's pretty retarded to get mad at it

>>718994934 (OP)
.t performative gaymer and slave to pixels and numbers

>>719000035
>Developers shouldn’t even be interacting with fans, it has not had a positive impact on video games.
Fucking this.

>>718995241
You don't need max upgraded health. The dev says so himself. It's there as an option if you're really really bad.

Are you some kind of autist that needs all his meters maxed before he can put down a game?

>>718994934 (OP)
No, it's shit

>>719017686
If I call you a retard now, will that make you incorrect?

>>719019278
both are me lmao

>>719023926
The highest level is 600+ (technically infinite, but you need around lvl 600 to get all skills/perks)

>>719026929
Can you truly say it's there as an option if you need to grind for 50 hours to achieve it? Last time I checked Temmie armor costs you like an hour of grinding if you really want it

Anyway this thread was a fun garbage fire I'm bored and won't be checking it again.

Lots of people have been suggesting this game called "Killing myself" so maybe I'll check that one out instead

>>718994934 (OP)
you are not entitled to 100% your character, OP. if you don't like it, don't buy it.

>>718994934 (OP)
impossible to care
there are probably u/i more hours of metroidvania available on the market than you could realistically play in a neet lifetime

>NOOOOO I NEED TO ABSOLUTELY 100% EVERY SINGLE THING POSSIBLE
Autist get ye gone

>>718994934 (OP)
dis nigga never played disgaea

>>718995241
>it would take 50 hours to fully upgrade health alone. that is retarded
but why is it retarded? would it make a difference if it took 50,000 hours to fully upgrade your health? how would your experience change?