Thread 719011157

why do people hate this game im a few hours in and its pretty fun
the only thing i dont like so far is that they curse every sentence

Because it's not a final fantasy game.

>im a few hours in and its pretty fun
because you're in the neat part, when THAT part happens, the game sucks to the end

endings really rushed and kinda sucks and the cool bits are the titan QTEs which you can just watch on youtube

>>719011157 (OP)
it's an aight game

>>719011157 (OP)
You're playing one of the only few good parts lf the game

>>719011157 (OP)
>Its not turn-based
>Its too "Game of Thrones" inspired
>It's too much of a "movie game"
Thats mostly what I see
I'm playing it now (not far) and its been pretty good. I'll have to see how I end up feeling about it by the end.

very slow paced despite being an action game, slow boring sidequests but with good world building in them, the game's pacing is just a slog, unless you fall in love with the world and its characters like I have.

>>719011157 (OP)
Because it's a shitty game, and a terrible FF game.

>>719011157 (OP)
It's too railroaded. SE copied the snoy moviegame formula

It gradually gets worse and the combat is shallow. Doing a bunch of glorified sidequests between chapters also ruins the pace.

>>719011157 (OP)
I would say it's a fine enough game, but it could've benefited from a few things
>not being a shittier retread of previous FFXIV plots featuring Emet-Selch but worse
>making the side quests more fun and interactive or just shelving them if they can't be bothered
>redo the combat. big cooldowns aren't fun in this format. the building blocks are fine, like the actual abilities are cool, but if you're just mashing the auto attack all the time while occasionally dumping a cooldown, it gets old fast

>>719012025
Emet-Selch was a retread on previous FF plots xivtroon

>>719011556
>plays like an action game
>still paced like an RPG
A magical combination that appeals to a very slim few.

>Gil is useless
>no inns to rest in
>no Tents
>no Status effects
>no Elements
>no Spells
>no Items to cure effects or do anything beyond basic buff and healing
>no RPG mechanics whatsoever
>no damage types whatsoever
>"you found 10 bloody hides"
>"you found 10 gil"
>every single accessory is just "increase damage" or "reduce cooldown"
>every single sword is just "increase damage" with zero unique effects or abilities
>zero world interactivity, literally nothing to do in the fields except fight trash mobs and fetch quests
>can't climb on anything
>can't swim in the water
>can't jump over anything
>this is the game that came after FFXV and FFVII Remake which had all of this

No matter how many threads you spam, it doesn’t change the fact that XVI is pure trash.

>>719013167
they should bring back mental asylums for people like you

>>719012413
maybe the fact that ff16 was made by the ff14 team (and the hw writer) is pertinent here

>>719011157 (OP)
Because roughly half of the game time is watching the 28 hours of cutscenes, and the other half is a shitty DmC rip-off

>>719014017
MMO Developer = MMO Quality = DO NOT BUY!

>>719011157 (OP)
The gameplay is extremely shallow and the combat is embarrassingly easy.

>>719011157 (OP)
Cid is just that based he dies early and we don't get a cool guy replacement

>>719011157 (OP)
>they curse every sentence
What a fucking prude

>>719011157 (OP)
because its not a ff
its not an rpg
bad writing
no dungeons
no cities
no party
no elemental system
no actual magic
worst "ending" in the franchise

>>719016562
xd

>>719013621
yoshitpiss killed ff

>>719011157 (OP)
>why do people hate this game im a few hours in
Everything after the first 4 hours is absolute shit.

It's just ok, imo the game is impossible to just steamroll through which kind of makes it feel a bit off for an FF title, which usually start kind of bland and pick up after the first few hours. It doesn't really have as many strong emotional hooks as the bigger titles in the franchise until the game is nearly over, and the emphasis on action gameplay feels nice until you realize you're 15 hours in and still just dumpstering everything without really needing to change anything up. The problem with it is that people expected it to be close to the best parts of FFXIV, which mostly reward the player for having stuck with it for over 150 hours, or better realized than FFXV when its dev team is just as piecemeal and inexperienced with the kind of game they're attempting to make.

>>719011157 (OP)
because boomerfags are too old and retarded to play anything faster than a turnbased game

>>719017678
Kingdom Hearts 2 is a boomer game at this point and is faster and deeper than XVI

>>719011157 (OP)
>the only thing i dont like so far is that they curse every sentence

Have you played any recent western game? FF XVI doesn't come even close when it comes to cursing or insults

>>719013167
All of that and more is why FF16 should not be deemed a FF game. Even in the Online game in FF14 you can rest at an Inn, but they didn't even bother to put that in their single player game.

>>719017824
KH2 is quite literally just spam attack. every move outside of some spells are mapped to Attack.
>Kingdom Hearts 2 is a boomer game
no it's not. it's a millennials game

>>719017905
It does come off as to what teens think being an adult is.

>>719011157 (OP)
It's peak high fantasy kino

>>719011157 (OP)
Second half the story goes to shit and turns into Naruto.
Combat never evolves and neither do any of the other systems.
It's more of a movie game than Uncharted. At least Uncharted games were kind of challenging in Crushing mode but FF16 is just pure button mashing from beginning to end and that is all there is to it. Sidequests are abysmal too and many of them are forced.

FF16 is not the worst game ever made but its flaws are many and become glaring the more you play it. The devs clearly did not want to make a video game but a movie or a TV series.

>>719011157 (OP)
FF fans are the most insufferable faggots on earth. every other fanbase embraces even their weakest entry and does something with it. FF fans are just busy being miserable and don't ever commit to anything else.
funny how the former turnbased game spawned shitheads like this. almost as if turnbased fans were the problem all along

>>719012025
All they had to do was use gauge builders instead of cooldowns.

>>719018550
one of the things i love about the ff fanbase is that no game is universally good
everyone always fights over it

>>719018550
Yea for some reason people like to pit FF games against each other.
I overall like all FFs, to varying degrees ofc

>>719011157 (OP)
>why do people hate this game im a few hours in
That’s why you don’t understand why people hate this game. Finish the demo then will talk lol

>>719017965
>just spam attack
Even fodder enemies like shadows encourage you to use specific abilities like fira because of the range and coverage. Most of the spells have use usecases other than just damage. Reaction abilities break up the combat and add some spectacle too. The games not hard on base difficulty but it's infinitely better executed

>>719018823
KH2 is easy as fuck
do you kiddies not remember the press triangle to win memes?

>>719018823
it's fine. i like it too. but you don't have much variety in it outside of some spells. and even there reflect is so fucking OP that it outshadows everything else you could do.
reaction commands are just fun to watch. but that's it. they are at most combo starters. never combo extender. and needless to say they are a one-trick pony most of the time.
the primary thing you will do is attack.
your regular attack is mapped to it.
your way to close the distance is mapped to it (Sliding Dash).
your AoE is mapped to it (Areal Sweep).
your finishers are mapped to it (you can't end the boss battle. otherwise outside of the spells).
there isn't much creative decision making involved. unlike in FFXVI where you have a plethora of moves mapped to shortcuts readily available in whatever order you wanna use them in. you can be much more expressive with that by design.

>>719018990
Ffxvi is the same but with more of that and its meme is press triangle to accept the truth

>>719011157 (OP)
It's a railroaded movie game. You can just watch it on Youtube and it would be about the same experience.

>>719019521
You could say that about most Final Fantasy games.

>>719018550
FF games are all very different games. Metal Gear games are essentially all the same shit underneath but FF games are completely different games and even different genres. But the real issues started when lots of new people jumped in with FF7 and then started their hate campaign when they realized FF8 was not a direct sequel.

Still YoshiP went above and beyond to make FF16 as brainless and casual as possible. This is how he ended up ruining FF14 too.

>>719013167
I understand how half of those are negatives

>>719011157 (OP)
I liked FFXVI.

>>719019936
>Still YoshiP went above and beyond to make FF16 as brainless and casual as possible.
they did that because they didn't want the turnbased fans to feel left out. they never 100% commit to the action genre because of this. which is why the game has exactly 2 ability slots mapped so that they don't lock you out of jump and the eikon ability while holding down the shortcut button.
we wouldn't be in this mess if turnfags would just shut up, leave and seek refugee in the franchises they were claiming for the past 20 years to be much better than modern final fantasy.

>>719019372
Reaction commands can change boss states and are different for each fodder. They make encounters much more varied. The best thing about them is that they're optional and don't interrupt the flow of combat if you fail them. Every attack being mappe to one button doesn't diminish the presence of the variety of spells you have. Reflect is broken but you get it later and it doesn't make the other spells useless.

>>719013167
>youtube morons didnt like it
I will now buy your game

XVI runs god fucking awful for what it's doing visually.

>>719020259
Same, but I wouldn't call it a 10/10.
More like an 8/10. Maybe 7.5/10?

>>719011157 (OP)
It keeps crashing for me after the kid turns into a Phoenix. It's interesting though. Feels more like FF12 which was probably the last FF that was interesting and not some scene kid road trip game.

>>719011157 (OP)
Western slop for westoids who are racist against asians and asian culture
Game of thrones
.hack gu, but shittier

>>719020596
No female protagonist: good
No road trip shit: good
Only 1 gay sex scene: makes it the straightest Final Fantasy

This is the most competent FF production since 12. By far the biggest issues of the game are related to filler and molasses slow menuing
If they cut all filler arcs (all the bland bullshit you need to do between eikon fights), trimmed down the number of side quests leaving only the actually impactful ones like endgame character quests and revamped the ui by removing insane amount of delay for every action you do, it would be a competent and fun 30 hours game. Instead it's 60 hours long, and half of it is ass.
The story certainly has problems (Annabella should've been the central villain, usurping eikon power and becoming Ultima) but i'd argue the game has one of the strongest casts in the history of the franchise, a lot of side characters are genuinely cool, the central hub NPCs in particular like Charon.
Certainly better than liquid vomit like 13 and 15 anyway.

>>719020475
8.7/10, take it or leave it.

>>719020934
's'a bit high for me. somewhere between 7 and 8 feels right, but that's fine too
i dunno, it's a serviceable game that goes hard on the spectacle at the expense of some other stuff

>>719019521
Have you not played any mainline final fantasy game in the last 25+ years? I swear you people are such secondaries

>>719011157 (OP)
The game would be great if it lasted around 12 hours and it was all fights with the aeons
The gameplay is simplistic as fuck and only consists of spamming skills, story sucks and the seondaries are abismal dogshit but if it was simply triyng to imitate asura 's wrath atleast stick to the game

>>719011157 (OP)
Play the 7 Remakes and Crisis Core Reunion cause those have better action combat than this supposed action game, even Type 0 has better combat than 16, also the story and aesthethics are so boring, someone saw Game of thrones and for some reason thought it would work with FF but it doesnt, FF should be lighthearted

I believe how much a person likes it depends on how much they like the summoning battles. I was personally over it after that long ass Titan battle. It's a solid game, just very repetitive.

>>719021341
Type Zero is so fucking ass. I can understand liking the 7slop games but come on man.
>FF should be lighthearted
Type Zero is dark as fuck (and boring as fuck) retard-kun

>>719021924
Type 0 suffers from being dark and gloomy but the combat was good, not as good as Crisis Core nor the 7 Remakes but it was better than the 16 combat

>>719022983
Not even close. Type Zero's combat is so bad. You need to play better games.

>>719011157 (OP)
combat has dogshit mmo design obsessing over fine tuned kill times, which turns encounters into manufactured boredom where you chip enemies until the developer lets you move forward.

It's an alright game but if you've sunk any amount of time into FF14 you'll see and be annoyed by a lot of familiar trappings as the game goes through a similar scenario structure of [boring exposition] > [fucking around] > [straight line dungeon] > [setpiece boss fight] over and over. And while setpieces sure do look cool the gameplay in them is extremely shallow. Fighting hunt marks was pretty fun. I just don't think this is what Final Fantasy should be like.

>>719020934
reminder xvitroons review bombed XV's userscores when xvi released on pc and some xvitroons saw it was lower rated than xv

xvi is still lower rated than xv on steam and psn which triggers yoshitpissfags

>>719021924
>>719023057
type0 is objectively better than xvi in every single conceivable way
type0 also has more combos than ff16 has and has elemental affinities and actual magic stat so is better by default than xvi

Type-0 also outsold xvi lmao

>>719017678
Nice training mode

>>719025615
Ok
People review bombed XVI as well

>>719018823
Pretty sure that only at the start really after you get stuff like second chance and reflect then you’re pretty much a god not that it’s not fun

>>719025615
not quite right, barry/barry wannabe
a bunch of fake reviews for xv got deleted and the score went down

>>719011157 (OP)
i would advice you play it first

>>719011157 (OP)
Because only having 1 character with 1 weapon in a 60h RPG is fucking stupid
It takes 10h to get a new Eikon and all they add is a handful of abilities tied to a cooldown mechanic
Compare it to Devil May Cry 3 in which you're getting a new weapon every 2h or something

>>719025737
They should make 1:1 remake of Type 0 like Reunion and then a sequel Type Next

>>719011157 (OP)
It's my favorite game of 2023.

FFfags can't decide on what Final Fantasy is "supposed to be" so they kick and cry at whatever shows up regardless.
It's a fun game with good gameplay and great characters.
It's greatest weakness are the fucking side quests. Holy shit those are bad.

>>719020772
>Annabella should've been the central villain
That's retarded though.
The story's villains are actually all well planned starting with simple conflict (Garuda), to emotional (Titan), then ideological (Odin) to inherent (Ultima).
It's a very competent rising scale of conflicts throughout the story.

My biggest issue is just that it didn't feel like a game
It felt like I paid full price to get a shitty GoT ripoff on Netflix, there wasn't much experience I got from playing it that I couldn't have gotten from watching a "full game movie" of it.

>>719020459
based

>>719018550
>every other fanbase embraces even their weakest entry and does something with it
what is this? You just brand yourself a "fan" and you have to just automatically support everything with that name on it? And for free? What mental illness is this, is it just autism or is there a more specific name?

>>719025615
The funniest part is that the XVI defense force still copes by pretending it's “misunderstood” while it sits at Mixed on Steam. XV was a disjointed mess, sure, but at least it had exploration, different playstyles, party interactions, and wasn’t afraid to be dumb anime bullshit. XVI is so sterile and self-serious it makes The Witcher look like Kingdom Hearts. You can tell Square thought copying a Netflix drama was the master plan, but forgot it was supposed to be a video game.

>>719028860
nta but people with a normal mindset don't wage an autistic war because a game with their IP's name on it isn't what they want it to be

>>719011157 (OP)
It's one of the most expensive visual novels.

>>719011157 (OP)
Let's start with the gameplay. The big focus is on the eikon abilities, but the eikon abilities are all on MMO style cooldowns. There's nothing you can do about the cooldowns, you just use them and do your one 4-hit filler combo in the meantime. Compare to SoP or FF7R where all your cool shit uses a resource, and you're rewarded with said resource for staying on the offensive and engaging with the enemy. That isn't the case in XVI, you just dump your skills and fuck around swinging your 4-hit toothpick filling the time. That's boring. What makes it worse is that there's only one character, with one weapon. So you can't even change up your filler playstyle.
Character progression is on rails which is something FFXIII rightfully got shit on for. You get a new eikon every like 10 hours of gameplay and once you do get it there's no way to get anything else. You're storygated out of further cool shit. Character levels not only don't matter at all, but the exp gain is scaled so it stalls out when you start matching enemy levels, preventing you from grinding up. Not that it would matter, because those levels gain you nothing.
Weapon crafting is completely pointless. Each dungeon/boss gives you a material you use to upgrade to the next sword, which just raises your damage by +5 (meaningless). There's literally no point to this system existing, and yet 90% of all treasure you find are materials for this system that has nothing to craft.

>>719029948
There are moments in the game where you literally watch a 45 minute cutscene, regain control, walk five steps forward, and get thrust into another 45 minute cutscene. The moviegame bloat is unreal, complete with slow forced walk and talk segments, squeezing past narrow corridors, and 'hold the triggers to do thing' QTEs. There are over 20 HOURS of cutscenes in this game. And that's not including the stilted canned emote sidequest cutscenes you'll spend another 20 hours watching.
Sidequests are ripped straight out of FFXIV. They exist just to fill time and for nothing else. Listen to someone spend 10 minutes telling you how and why they need an object on the other side of the map. Walk over and pick it up. Go back. Bam, more crafting materials you can't use. Thrilling.
There is no exploration. There are four giant open world areas with nothing in them but MMO sidequests, and there are hallway dungeons. The hallway dungeons are also ripped straight from FFXIV with the same two trash packs -> mini boss -> two trash packs -> mini boss -> two trash packs -> final boss structure.
Eikon fights have spectacle, but that's all they have. Segments like the Phoenix fight at the start, or the Garuda fighting game segment, or the Phoenix vs Bahamut segment are all on rails and impossible to fail. They're cutscenes.
The only time the game is remotely challenging are in the chronostones (I think that's what they were called) where you have to use one specific eikon and fulfill challenges to keep your time up. The rest of the game you can sleep through. FF Mode isn't any better because you have all eikons out the gate and can just blast everything even more easily than in normal mode.

>>719029523
Are you unaware that 'fan' is short for 'fanatic'?

oh brother

>>719020772
>Annabella should've been the central villain, usurping eikon power and becoming Ultima
I really can not believe they didn't do this. It was the most obvious thing in the world.

>>719011157 (OP)
Characters are shallow
Combat gets repetitive
Worst side quests of any jrpg
Shitty story that copies tales of arise and does it worse somehow
Absolutely pointless upgrade equip system
Gray washed out color scheme

It's a solid 5/10

>>719011157 (OP)
This game peaked at the demo

>>719020314
>the original fanbase should leave so we can turn it into discount DMC normalfag forced slow walking cutscene slop
How about you kill yourself? Or go check out Rebirth which has much deeper action combat than XVI AND still has RPG mechanics on top of that?

>>719030167
There's no reason I should have to write the same thing over and over again every time you decide to make your daily "dude i'm new to this and i just found this game called... final fantasy exx vee eye...? it seems pretty fun!" thread.

>>719030415
It's not my thread schizo.

>>719030453
Okay well the point still stands. I'm just gonna keep copypasting my thoughts on the game because there's no reason to write it out anew each time.

>>719030220
I think this was clearly the original intent but they either ran out of time or decided to rethink it midway through, which is dumb.
Ultima was female before, would suit her nicely

>>719029523
I agree, but I don't know what that has to do with my post. Did you see me condone that behavior?

>>719011157 (OP)
Because it's a completely different genre than fans of the series are used to.
It's 100% fair for someone to be upset with that decision.
They should've made it a side title (like Strangers of Paradise was) and people would've been more positive of it.
If Final Fantasy Tactics was released as Final Fantasy 8 in the day, people would've hated it. But instead, a lot of people love it. It was clearly not a mainline.

>>719030537
>but they either ran out of time or decided to rethink it midway through
That makes me remember how when Clive confronts her she suddenly monologues at lightspeed about all her intents and motivations right before she dies.

>>719030904
Yeah, that's also the moment the game nosedives in quality.

>>719011209
it literally has the name Final Fantasy in the title

FF or ultimaniac mode on NG? I see there are some mods to unlock it.

>>719031851
>i literally have female on my driver's license!

>>719011157 (OP)
it was a good game, has its flaws but I think the good outweights the bad, the music is fucking 15/10 so fucking good holy shit with some absolutely insane moments

>>719030537
Honestly I could see the same plot it has now mostly working. But in my opinion where they fucked up was misusing the cast and world in order to speedrun to Ultima's plot. Really, I feel like they should have handled more of the world building in the main questline and had Annabella and her false child (Ultima) as the final bosses, build the entire game up to that along with just better development of the nations and world. THEN after that have either a potential sequel, or the DLC to instead cover all the post Bahamut stuff.

>>719013167
agreed

I don't know why something being trash or not matters to so many people here, its "Stop liking what I don't like" turned up to 11

My favourite game is probably a 6 out of 10 game at best, you think that will dissuade me? FF16 could be the worst mainline final fantasy game, you think that'll stop me from playing it twice, platinum trophy, and having fun with it?? Like what

>>719032819
The game is Final Fantasy inside and out.
It's not like the game says it's final fantasy but it plays Ape Escape.

I'm baffled that they didn't spend any of the year between the PS5 & PC release unfucking the primary complaints people had with the game. This was ripe for a Director's Cut re-release.

>>719033574
what about it is final fantasy aside from the title?

>>719033574
>The game is Final Fantasy inside and out.
It's not. Nothing about it resembles Final Fantasy except that there are crystals in the story.
>It's not like the game says it's final fantasy but it plays Ape Escape.
That's literally what it is.

It's a great game. I loved it.
9/10 easy.

>>719033574
Is there a single FF without elemental weakness and status effects?

>>719033478
a lot on /v/ don't get much social interaction outside of /v/, so they get more obsessive over what others do or dont like since it's all they have to talk about really.

>>719033478
you're right, we should just stop talking about our tastes altogether

>>719011157 (OP)
narratively i hate that it all feels like the first act
it just keeps establishing and building but then nothing ever happens

>>719033775
XIV.

>>719033729
What's great about it?

>>719033659
nta, but this is Final Fantasy, but it's a poorly executed Final Fantasy.
It has the themes of hope, the "mascot" characters/creatures you'd expect and the archetypes, and the overall story beats of a Final Fantasy story.

The problem is the genre is not what is expected for a mainline FF. While it's a FF, it's not what people want out of a mainline FF. This same problem stemmed when they decided to make both of the MMOs mainline FFs. Same backlash, maybe even more intense.
If they gave it a side title, people would've been fine (doesn't mean they'd play, like myself, I don't like action games... but they'd be fine with it existing)

Not having elemental weakness in a final fantasy feels extremely retarded.

>>719033659
Themes, setting, characters, plot, reoccurring enemies/allies/items/summons/abilities etc.
What isn't Final Fantasy about it?

>>719033904
Visuals, drama, characters, music, world building, battle system.

I take away one point because there are certain story elements that could have been handled better that would have had better impact.

>>719034062
>Visuals, drama, characters, music, world building, battle system.
Let me rephrase the question. Why do you think the game is great? Describe why you think the things you listed things are great.

>>719034045
>What isn't Final Fantasy about it?
Everything.
You see, I can do the same thing. Just vaguely use everything to support your claim without explaining your reasoning. It's really, really easy. Good conversation!

>>719034038
So you want to menu way fucking more when heatwave canceling projectiles means nothing because the enemy is fire resistant, or enemy groups can't be dealt with because your AoE abilities are the wrong element? This complaint has always been absolutely retarded and the combat system in place doesn't make sense with elemental weakness. Eikonic Vulnerability as it is in the game makes way more sense, you know absolutely nothing about game design. Too stupid for real-time, just stick to your four niggas in a row games

>>719034335
Visuals speak for themselves. One of the best looking games I have ever played, also extremely polished.

I think the story is top quality. It opens hard as fuck. Anytime there is a build up to an show down with a dominant it fucking rocks. It does suffer from slow lows though when its trying to bridge some story arcs.

Characters are all impactful. Even some of the side characters. All top tier voice acted too.

Music is absolutely insane. Fucking mindblowing ost, even with the DLCs.

I love the world and mystering surrounding the fallen. I also love how you don't really get to dive that hard in to it, which keeps it mysterious.

Battle system is DMC5 Lite, but I'm ok with that. It makes up for the shallower depth with the sense of getting extremely powerful as you level up and get access to stronger eikons. I also love how you can mix and match eikon abilities once you've maxed the skill. The only thing it's missing is the ability to swap battle pallettes in battle.

>>719034045
No party members
No RPG mechanics
No status effects
Equipment doesn't actually function
No magic or elements
No adventure, just return to base after every level
One moogle that nobody says anything about and which reuses a FFXIV model because it was a last minute addition
Morbols that don't inflict status effects with bad breath

>>719011157 (OP)
Why can't you kill the dog?
That disgusting dogs head belongs on my sword.

>>719034723
>what's great about it?
>dude it's all fucking poggers, this shit goes hard, it's awesome as fuck
Alright, I'll stop trying to have a conversation and just mock you instead.

Why didn't the Undying, who were present at Phoenix Gate that very night, do anything about the attack?
Why didn't any of them get Joshua from his room? Why did Wade have to do it?
Why did a chambermaid notice that Annabella had moved all her belongings out of the castle a week beforehand and notified the Duke of this, but the Undying were apparently unaware?
Why didn't they rescue Clive?
Why did Ultima just so happen to be wearing the exact same cloak Joshua would be wearing in the future?
Where did Joshua hear Ultima's name in the first place? The Undying said they had no idea about him until Joshua ordered them to investigate.
Why does Primogenesis randomly disappear at times?
Why did Joshua continue killing himself to keep Ultima in his chest even when he was well aware that Ultima was still just floating out there doing whatever the fuck he wanted anyway?
Why do major characters including the main heroine have their conclusions hidden in sidequests while you spend 6 hours a piece on Martha, the Dame, and L'ubor?
Why did Sanbreque never notice the giant tidal wave frozen in time about a mile up the shoreline from their capitol city, or why did they never investigate it?
Why did Ultima spend so much time driving Sanbreque to world conquest only for it to amount to nothing at all and not aid in his plan in any way because he already had control of all the world's nations and could have activated worldwide mind control at any time?

>>719034692
You're assuming the mechanical structure of the game is set in stone, retard. It didn't have to be hunting through menus to equip shit every other fight you fucking moron.

>>719034692
>So you want to menu way fucking more when heatwave canceling projectiles means nothing because the enemy is fire resistant, or enemy groups can't be dealt with because your AoE abilities are the wrong element?
How about you prepare a diverse loadout ahead of time and run the risk of not being able to perform at max efficiency if you leaned to hard in one direction? You know, like an RPG or something.
Or, you know, they could have done swappable loadouts. That works too.
>you know absolutely nothing about game design
Apparently I know more than Hiroshi Takai.

>spend 5 minutes running to town hoping your sprint kicks in
>poorly animated cutscene of an unnamed lady saying she needs dinner ingredients
>spend 5 minutes running to the far corner of the empty map to the waymark
>hold button to pick up a bean
>hold button to pick up a bean
>hold button to pick up a bean
>Clive (whispering in batman voice): "Shit, we'd better get these fucking beans back before she goes fucking hungry..."
>teleport back to quest giver
>Clive stares at the camera silently for half a minute
>...
>QUEST COMPLETE
>...
>Exp begins tallying up one digit at a time for a total of 30,000 (out of 12,000,000 required for the level)
>Gil begins tallying up one digit at a time, for a total of 300
>Items gained: 300 wolf pelts (you already have 6,799 because they don't do anything but every quest and every chest gives them to you)

A Final Fantasy for the modern audience.

>>719034997
ngl that's some dedication lol

>>719034692
>OH SO YOU WANT ME TO BE USELESS IF I DIDN'T BUY BLIZZARA FOR MY BLACK MAGE BEFORE MT. GULG HUH YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GAME DESIGN

>>719034918
>>719034976
Sour grapes, didn't even play the game. With six abilities and limited access to using more than 3 elements at a time for the majority of playtime, this excuse doesn't work at all.
>duhhh they could just change the whole way the game works
Back to your rock paper scissors simulator grug, quicker thinkers than you are having fun while you bitch and moan

The real reason they couldn't do elemental weaknesses is because the eikon progression is entirely on rails and there are like 10 hours between each eikon unlock. Like you'd unlock Garuda and they'd have to only put enemies weak to fire and wind in your path for the next 10-15 hours of gameplay because there's no way to unlock Ramuh stuff early.

>>719011157 (OP)
>im a few hours in and its pretty fun
Game falls off a cliff the more you play.

a

is there a mod that makes this game playable? makes the combat better and removes the useless side quests?

ff12 with mods was the best ff experience I've ever had, so I hope they could make 16 good too.

>>719035279
Zones are not clearly foreshadowed like this in 16. Didn't even play the game. Stay poor retard

>>719011157 (OP)
>the only thing i dont like so far is that they curse every sentence
The voice acting is shit in English. They saw English and said "we need to get britfaggots to voice this game!"

>>719035397
I accept your concession.

>>719035320
>Sour grapes, didn't even play the game
I played it twice, unfortunately.
>With six abilities and limited access
Do you think God himself came down and ordered Hiroshi Takai to only let you set six abilities at a time? Do you think it was divine ordinance that made Hiroshi Takai not put swappable loadouts?
>and limited access to using more than 3 elements at a time
YOU didn't play the game, because with the six eikon slots available plus the eikon abilities you can already naturally fit in one of each element with an extra slot to spare. Did you even know that you can set any ability onto any base eikon?
>duhhh they could just change the whole way the game works
They should have reworked this entire pile of shit from the ground up, yeah. But I just described exactly how they could have fix this supposed impossible problem without changing anything.

>>719013167
look I'm not saying you're completely wrong but not only has Gil been fairly useless in FF since like XII, but VII Remake does, in fact, not feature any tents or inns.

>>719020772
>By far the biggest issues of the game are related to filler
I lost my fucking shit when there was some fucking main story quest about some fucking pickpockets, I instantly knew I was going to have to spend 3 fucking hours saving them from the mexican cartel and stop the child trafficking operation. Why the fuck am I supposed to care about that? Is that more important than stopping the Eikons?

>>719011157 (OP)
My issue is it doesn't feel like they didn't do enough with the combo system they put in. It doesn't really change significantly past the start of the game, and half of the eikon skills/abilities come down to "push button to parry/dodge/block attack". The spell system is dog shit, being able to ping things with magic balls feels like a waste of a button. I'd rather have a strong attack option or something for "dial A combos" to mix things up a little.

There are also a decent number of main story quests that feel like they should be side quests.

>>719035417
Yes they are.
>spend 10 minutes listening to Vivian tell you your route to the fire crystal on volcano island
>go to the world map
>see you're heading to the fire crystal on volcano island
>click on the dungeon icon sitting on top of the fire crystal on volcano island
>WHAT THE FUCK THEY DIDN'T TELL ME I WAS GOING TO A FIRE DUNGEON!!!
I played the game. You did not. So why are you defending it?

>>719035379
Every thread I made on /v/ about this game and some faggot told me this. And every fucking time the game got better. And I made another thread about how awesome it got since. And some faggot said the same thing. Repeated until I beat the game. Great game, /v/niggers are browns and have repugnant taste.

>>719035768
You simply have standards so low they're through the floor. You can't even describe why you think the game is good.

>>719030349
>original fanbase
>believes ff should be exclusively one playstyle, one genre, every time
lol
lmao

>>719035580
I think it was the way damage output on large enemies dueing stagger that dictated a smell limit on equipped abilities. Y'know, most of the actual meat of the game. You forgot on that second playthrough that your need to max abilities to equip them off-element apparently. Most casuals (90% of final fantasy players) are not going to grind that much and wouldn't have freeform access to ultimate skills off-element. Absolute brainlet takes, stay mad and retarded and live in your fantasy world where you're oh so smart and not a complete slobbering idiot

>>719035320
They could have made hot swappable loadouts, they could have done fucking anything. What is with you dumbasses and thinking because the way it ended up means that's the only way it could have been? Your strawman of whatever controls are in your head do not apply in any way whatsoever.
This shit should have been changed at design-time.

>>719035892
why do retards think their expectations mean anything when they don't match the game in front of them? shit player, never touch team games

>>719034868
>Why didn't the Undying, who were present at Phoenix Gate that very night, do anything about the attack?
he Undying didn't intervene during the attack at Phoenix Gate because they were in the apodytery, preparing to meet Joshua for his rite, and were focused on protecting the Phoenix's Dominant, not the state or the Duke of Rosaria

>Why didn't any of them get Joshua from his room? Why did Wade have to do it?
Absolute Chaos. They trusted Wade to get him and escort him away from danger whilst they attacted attention elsewhere.

>Why did a chambermaid notice that Annabella had moved all her belongings out of the castle a week beforehand and notified the Duke of this, but the Undying were apparently unaware?
Undying were busy with preparing for Joshuas rite. It's also possible that they simply never expected Annabella would do such a thing. Also, she had her own spys and manipulators everywhere.

>Why didn't they rescue Clive?
They probably thought he was dead. Him becoming Ifrit wasn't exactly predicted. Also, he wasn't their priority. They only care about the Phoenix. Once he was discovered by the empire and he became a branded it was over.

>Why did Ultima just so happen to be wearing the exact same cloak Joshua would be wearing in the future?
Foreshadowing/visual storytelling.

>Where did Joshua hear Ultima's name in the first place?
Could have been during phoenix gate when Ultima first starting fucking with him and Clive. Could have been after once Joshua starting researching it.

>Why does Primogenesis randomly disappear at times?
It’s unstable magical residue, naturally fading over time. It can be absorbed or undone by environmental ether dynamics.

>Literally any other games deciding to exist
FFXVfags: …and I took that personally.

>>719036041
Do you think XVII will get attacked as well?
Is every future FF game doomed to be attacked?

>>719035989
I accept your concession.

>>719011157 (OP)
Well the combat is fucking terrible for one. Just mindlessly cycling skills because there are no elements or buffs/debuffs.
The side quests are MMO style pick up and deliver shit
The levels are small and mostly linear
The only real redeeming qualities are the characters and 1/2 of the story are interesting

>>719034868
The mentally retarded audience this game is targeted towards is too stupid to notice this let alone answer it.

>>719035320
This seems so retarded.
At the risk of giving FFXV too many props, it has four on the fly weapon slots for you to switch between and different enemies resist different weapons and it's fine, literally no one complained about only being able to use certain weapons vs certain enemies.

>>719036168
>>719035510
weird samefag this board sucks

>>719035869
Do you not have family? Or a soul?
>on /v/
Oh right.
Check my 6 nigger

>>719036290
I accept your concession.

>>719028002
Ultima is a dogshit villain. The game becomes worse and worse as Ultima becomes more prominent. The game starts great with an intuitive conflict about resources and ideology. Then it slowy falls apart to focus on the least charismatic villain is the entire history of the series.

>>719036287
15 shouldn't have conceded to turn based fags and changed as much as it did fork episode duscae to release, retards who can't comprehend change are keeping us in the dark age in games and in life

>>719030904
>she suddenly monologues at lightspeed about all her intents and motivations right before she dies.
Literally the same shit happens in XIV when a character that had a longer arc is killed because they wanted to change the story.

>>719036031
>They probably thought he was dead.
When does the game say that?

>>719036458
He looks and sounds creepy as shit though

>>719035989
people complain about things they don't like, this isn't a hard thing to understand
not sure why it is for you

>>719036031
>Foreshadowing/visual storytelling.
It's Yoshit piss vomit storytelling that belongs in a toilet.

>>719036487
Did you even play Episode Duscae?
It had a much bigger emphasis on RPG mechanics and resource management - if you didn't use the proper weapons to deal with enemies you'd be dealing chip damage and you couldn't just freely dodge with no worries for your MP.
If anything final 15 caters much more ti action game fags than Duscae did.

>>719036915
He sounds and looks like a drug addict faggot who went to jail for touching children and is now malnourished.

>>719036975
You know he doesn't write the story, right?

>>719036915
He sounds boring as fuck and his motivations are dumb gay shit.

>>719037109
Exactly. It's unnerving.

>>719037149
>You know he doesn't write the story, right?
So? Why can't the bitch write anything?

>>719011157 (OP)
If I was stuck in an impoverished African country with nothing better to do and somehow still had electricity , id probably play it. And honestly that’s a compliment. I wouldn’t do that for every game.

>>719011157 (OP)
Packed all of the worst things about modern games into one combat system

I’ll reply to your dumb shill thread
first and foremost, the game is super hardware intensive because “rmao we optimize game for ps5 gaijin”, so it rapes even upper middle end pcs. not to mention just how much fucking hard drive space a 40 hour at best game eats up on my pc. BG3 has a similar file size for nearly three times the amount of content.
the game itself has horrible pacing, feeling slow and at the same time like it didn’t have enough time to tell the story it wanted. I.E. the entire final area of the game being a barren empty husk with barely any side quests.
the game itself isn’t actually difficult and you can just smash eikon abilities to win, it suffers the same problem as ff14, never truly challenging it’s players at all throughout the story of the game.
it’s not a terrible game just not worth both the price tag and hard drive space required for what otherwise can be a fun game when you aren’t watching a movie, because this game is also a modern movieslop “game”.

>>719037226
You got touched when you were a child or something?
Cause that's the only way it's "unnerving" to you.
To people like us it's just a slightly large cockroach.

>>719037304
Did you just want to type yoshit piss?

>>719037649
yes, call him dumpy and he’ll rage

It has a good story buit terrible gameplay that's easy and repetitive af with a braindead loop. You should hate it.

>>719037475
ESL?

>>719036031
>because they were in the apodytery
The apodytery at Phoenix Gate, yes.
>and were focused on protecting the Phoenix's Dominant
Uhhh clearly not, that's the issue.
>They trusted Wade to get him
They don't trust anyone but themselves. They're a cult. And how would they even know Wade was going to get him? Why would they entrust their sacred duty to a random footsoldier?
>Undying were busy with preparing for Joshuas rite.
Too busy a week beforehand to worry about a life threatening concern to their god?
>They probably thought he was dead.
Nope, they knew he was alive.
>Foreshadowing/visual storytelling.
...For what?
>Could have been during phoenix gate
When? You experience most of that as Joshua.
>Could have been after once Joshua starting researching it.
How would he research Ultima without first knowing about him?
>It’s unstable magical residue, naturally fading over time. It can be absorbed or undone by environmental ether dynamics.
What the fuck are you even saying? What?

>use charge magic to launch
>do a air combo with hop steps
>do the AoE slam down attack
>phoenix teleport to knocked down enemy and trigger cinematic attack

This was cool when I first discovered this little combo, but the exact same moves can be used on 90% of enemies in the game, and they don’t even have a chance to fight back. It’s the only mainline FF I’ve not finished, I forced myself through XIII and XV and ultimately regretted wasting my time, so I won’t bother with this. It’s a shame, I wanted to like it but playing it gives me depression.

HOT TAKE
XVI used most of versus XIII discarded plot points

>>719037775
I haven't played the game and only watched videos, but even then the combat looks unbelievably fucking tedious.

>>719036330
>YOU DON'T LIKE A SHITTY HALF-BAKED GAME WITH PUDDLE-DEEP GAMEPLAY AND A STORY OF PLOTHOLES??? YOU HAVE NO FAMILY AND YOU'RE BROWN AND ALSO EVIL AND YOU VOTED FOR DRUMPF!
Notice how you couldn't describe why you think the game is good? The way you're trying to rely on social shame tactics instead tells me exactly what you are.

>>719036915
>*suddenly appears*
>*stares*
>..."It is... inevitable..."
>*teleports away*
Holy shit... what psycho wrote a character this horrifying...?

>>719037995
>Holy shit... what psycho wrote a character this horrifying...?
Yoshit piss

>>719036458
Ultima is actually an excellent villian throughout the whole game.

>>719038113
funny joke

>>719038243
>Ultima is actually an excellent villian
He spends the entire game doing literally nothing.

>>719036141
Yea, until he kills himself sadly >>719036141

>>719011157 (OP)
>why do people hate this game

its/v most people here are mental faggots.
dont bother.

>>719038415
so literally every other FF villain besides exdeath?

>>719036041
>XVIfags are twitter tourist normalgroids
Not shocked in the slightest.

>>719038592
You should try playing a real Final Fantasy game for once champ.

>>719038415
Good villians pull the strings of chaos, they are not on the fore front of the battle.
And I would say he does nothing, once he is revealed he is hard at work trying to break Clive through his puppets.

>>719037995
I wouldn't call it horrifying. I think creepy and unnerving is adequate.

i'm hoping complete edition hits $30 or less at some point. probably next year or the year after. i sorta want to try it but don't want to reward squeenix too much for making kusoge.

>>719035768
i really wish they did more with her
just more side quests would have been great

>>719033902
Factually incorrect

>>719034450
You asked for what was final fantasy about it, not to write an essay itemizing everything about it that connects to games of the previous series.
>Good conversation!
You didn't want to converse, you wanted to bitch in an echo chamber of those who think the only thing that makes a final fantasy is turn based combat, and using a turn to determine which of your spells will heal your enemy.

>>719038783
It's really not even worth pirating.

>>719038783
Just try the demo

>>719038825
>YOU'RE JUST MAD IT'S NOT TURN BASED!!!
You really need to get a new cope. Not being turn based is the least of XVI's issues. It's not even a competently made action game.

>>719011157 (OP)
It's easily better than the previous ones, but it triggers schizos to an extreme fucking extend.

>people with magic are slaves to people with no magic
>but also people with a lot of magic are nobility
what were they thinking?

>>719039105
You can't say it's better than XIII when it has all the exact same problems and then some.

>>719011749
Yeah it felt like I was played another shitty TLoU inspired game but with mediocre combat with cooldowns. It kinda pisses me off because I avoid those games like the plague and their influence keeps creeping into games I like.

>>719038672
Ultimecia is contolling Edea and is revealed at the last moment, Kuja is manipulating empires at Garlands orders, Venat is the one falling empires through Vayne, Zemus is the one Golbez actually follows, Ardyn manipulates the empire, Sephiroth manipulates Cloud, and the Cloud of Darkness manipulates Xande.
The only ones on the forefront are Kefka, who betrays the emperor for shits and giggles, Garland because of ultimate angst and Matteus because he's cool like that.
Am I forgetting someone? Ex death was already mentioned

It's an extremely shallow beat em up with QTE boss battles

>>719039304
Who's talking about being on the forefront? We're talking about the villains doing something, engaging in the story. The extent to which Ultima engages with the story, and with the player, is that he occasionally appears to stare at Clive. Compare to Sephiroth/Jenova who's a constant presence luring Cloud through FFVII, or Kefka who bothers you for the entire first half of the game until he elevates himself to godhood and causes the apocalypse. Ultima doesn't fucking do anything.

>>719039147
Its a different scale of magic. All the non Dominants seem to mostly be able to do only shit tier magic instead of being walking nukes.

its a fantastic game, SUBSTANTIALLY better than the ff7 remakes. shame that it makes chuds seethe so hard

>>719039147
Obviously the nobility is making sure the people who aren't nobility can't become nobility.

>on rails character progression
>story-gated character progression
>hallway dungeons
>can only control one character
>story filled with plot holes
>story that doesn't present its own lore naturally and expects you to read lore entries on the side
>kills all momentum in the penultimate chapter to blast you with sidequests
Am I describing FF13 or FF16?

>>719038989
>I'M NOT UPSET IT'S NOT TURN BASED IT'S JUST BAD!!!!
Can't describe how or why, it's just bad with issues.
Thanks for confirming that you were, in fact, here to bitch though.

>>719011157 (OP)
The honeymoon phase is over so now even the most diehard shill can now go on and on about how the game was complete dogshit while pretending that they never claimed to like it.

>>719039654
>Can't describe how or why
I already did. >>719029948 >>719030007
Next cope?

>>719039654
Maybe read all of the other points already made in the thread.

The least ambitious Final Fantasy...

>>719011157 (OP)
It's a flawed game where the story falls off towards the end and the combat is pretty simple. That's why more people don't defend it.
People hate it in part for the above, but mainly over retarded shit like
>it's too western
>it's not turnbased
>Yoshi P was involved at all
>It was a PS5 exclusive
>It has a gay character
>It doesn't have that's important to every final fantasy game
I just replayed it, dogshit PC port aside it was a fun time and I'd say I like it a lot, despite the actual issues it has

>>719039912
>Yoshi P was involved at all
It's only Barry who ever hated it for that. At the time XVI came out Yoshi-P was being fully glazed from every angle. Even I was sure after ShB that XVI was going to deliver and we'd finally get a good Final Fantasy again. But what actually happened is that XVI, by sharing all the exact same core problems as XIV, revealed to everyone that XIV's problems were never unfortunate limitations of working on the shitty jank engine. They were just consequences of shitty game design and incompetent direction. XVI is a big part of the reason people in general started turning on Yoshi-P and XIV and started pointing out the major flaws with their design philosophy.

>>719011157 (OP)
It was the best FF since X.

>suddenly Typhon out of fucking nowhere
>this banger starts playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2zeMyPzIw

yep. it's kino time

>>719021341
>FF should be lighthearted
Like the lighthearted way Sin was going around killing random villagers in FF10?

>>719039529
Ultimecia does even less, also the The Cloud of Darkness, Zemus or Venat. Ultima would fall on the category of being present but detached like Ardyn or Kuja, he bothers you enough in the game.

Eh, I don’t see what’s so special about XV. IX and X are better games anyway.

>>719040262
Most games in general are better than XV, but not XVI.

>>719011157 (OP)
Zero replay value. I enjoyed my time with it but it is literally impossible to play again because it has no side content and nothing to explore and the plot doesn't have any branching choices. At least with FFX, while it was too linear, you could force the characters into different roles and you had a full party. Clive has zero customization beyond lowering cooldowns and damage numbers.

>>719040131
That's an awfully low bar.

>>719039147
According to the worldbuilding it used to be the other way around until the plebs figured out that there's way more of them than there are of magicfags and revolted.
Dominants kept "power" through sheer usefulness in warfare, but even then most of them are still servile to whatever society they belong to while just being above the plebs. Either way none of them could hold power long since magic eventually killed them with the curse.

>>719035441
t. a shitty American voice actor that lost their job to a Brit

>>719011157 (OP)
combat has no depth and the writing is ass

the game basically has no appeal to anyone except dummies who like the visual spectacle of kaiju fights. There's nothing the game can offer anyone else

>>719040426
It's weird this is not mentioned considering how much emphasis the side quests did in showing the magic users being treated unfairly and in an inhuman way, well they did the same shit before.

>>719040464
no depth huh? lets see you s rank ultimaniac.
what's that? you can't?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA back to elden ring kid

>>719040193
Ultimecia is one of the modt involved villains in the story. She's involved as soon as your first real mission as SEED

>claims to want the GoT audience
>Clive doesn't fuck his brother once
0/10 game

>>719040076
When XVI came out it was getting shit on like now as well as people saying that they like it. But the people who like it don't like it enough to counter-schizo people like Barry or whoever who have their copypastas on the go about what inane shit somehow makes XVI the worst game ever made.
And you're 100% right, its biggest flaw is that it is very obviously made by an MMO team. Cooldowns are a shitty action game system, and the game pacing feels identical to XIV but with linear set pieces over dungeons.

>>719039715
>>719039780
>Hey man, you need to read the 245 posts before replying to anything said
Sure, brb.

>>719040578
most involved villains in the franchise*. Only Kuja and Kefka have more plot interaction. Ultima just appears and disappears like the occasional wet fart

>>719040514
This is one of the valid criticisms of this game, it relegated a lot of lore to reading the active lore system instead of including it organically through questing or passive worldbuilding.

>>719040626
I don't see a problem with this.

>>719040784
Me neither, that's why I'm reading.

>>719040578
You don't know it's her until Edea tells you.
You could say the same about Ultima and Barnabas.

>>719040421
>XI
Online MMO slop
>XII
Shit gameplay and characters
>XIII
I don’t even have to explain this one
>XIV
more online MMO slop with more waifus
>XV
Mediocre Frankenstein game

Am I missing anything here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBVR22fHnI0
Great soundtrack though

>>719011435
>let me write a review for this game after 5 hours!

>>719040910
No, I just didn't care for X at all and wanted to shitpost.

>>719040874
You don't know it's really her but she appears and fucks shit up. She takes over an entire country after you fail the assassination.

FFags forgot that FF, like DnD, is a blank canvas of a franchise with countless spin-offs under its belt, already encompassing multiple genres. Regardless of the fact that it was the best game of 2023, FFags refuse to play or even acknowledge it because it isn't turn-based like their favorite game from 1994. You know, "turn-based"? The combat system pioneered by Wizardry in the early 80s solely because PCs at the time weren't fast enough to render a game with real-time combat? Yeah, they dislike FFXVI because it doesn't adhere to 80s system limitations.

>>719040131
They have all been awful after X. XVI too, I don't even care which one is the best.

>>719041103
No, they dislike FFXVI because it's a bad game.

>>719040993
Better than writing one without playing the game at all.

>>719011157 (OP)
it's mid when it should have been great.

>>719041150
Other than the overly simplistic combat system, XVI was amazing. Definitely had the best story and characters since X.

>>719041021
So does Ultima, he manipulates the islands through Barnabas. Same with IX's Garland through Kuja, only Kuja gives him the finger at the end or Zemus through Golbez.
This is a staple of FF villians.

>>719041103
I wish this "they don't like it because it isn't turn-based" strawman would be put to rest already. The "people" complaining about it not being turn-based are full-blown autistic, or man-children, both core demographics of this hellsite, so it makes some sense.
No reasonable person gives a shit if it's turn-based or not.

>>719041150
While I agree they have all been mediocre, XIII is by far the one I enjoyed the most, it's even hard to put down.

Niggers complain about media not caring about or catering to men nowadays, so Squeen publishes a sweeping epic about brotherhood in the face of ultimate annihilation. How do niggers respond? They let the game flop on three—count 'em— THREE consecutive platforms! Unbelievable.

>>719028002
>FFfags can't decide on what Final Fantasy is "supposed to be"
Cool lies, retard.

>>719041796
Take your meds.

>>719041531
>he manipulates
Barnabas wasn't a literal puppet for tranny kaguya like Edea was for Ultima. The fact that that he wasn't made Ultima far less satifying to beat and made it feel he came out of nowhere. Ultimecia was directly involved using host bodies.
There is no staple of FF villain. They're all different and ultima is one of worst ones

>>719034045
if i put a dragon in my game then it's literally D&D

>>719011157 (OP)
>a few hours in
You’re in the good part now, give it time

>>719041796
Most modern “gamers” don’t even buy or play games. They’re simply in it for the online drama, bandwagon hype, and parasocial relationships with popular streamers and YouTubers. Things have never been this grim.

>more than 20 years of bad FF
SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING

>>719042030
Also the relationship between the Tranny alien and Barnabas is downriggt weird and diminishes his character

>>719040993
i stopped played red dead 2 after seeing its controls is shit, if you that stupid you gotta eat shit for 10 hours before you go wait this is shit, you're then as thick as it

>>719011157 (OP)
>im a few hours in and its pretty fun
That's the worst part of this game, it starts good, with potential, and it falls of a cliff harder than any other game I've ever seen, it's like they made it bad on purpose.

>>719041531
>Same with IX's Garland through Kuja, only Kuja gives him the finger at the end
Kuja gives him the finger at the start, it’s why the whole game’s events take place.

>>719041796
not my problem, optimize the game for pc and don’t make it a timed exclusive for a console no one owns or even had the capability of buying due to scalping. also compress some files so it isn’t one fucktillion gigabytes

>>719041796
>m.jpg
XVI is a game made for fujos in which Clive lusts after his little brother. The reason Jill gets shafted so hard is because Joshua is functionally the main heroine. He even takes the place of the heroine on the cover art.
Also, the game is shit. Watch netflix if you don't care about gameplay.

>>719042156
>>719042262
Waloed was such an unbelievable disappointment.

>>719041796
The problem is a decent sweeping narrative about brotherhood with a Chad MC doesn't genuinely matter ultimately if the game was badly directed and designed, in addition to any sort of overly-marvel-cine-sloppified structure. If it had just followed a more traditional FF route I bet it might have been more highly regarded, which could have translated into slower but stable sales, they tried designing it to grab hot hype marketing instead.

>>719042030
Barnabas was a puppet, Ultima was a god to him. You don't need to snatch their body to manipulate their actions. The great majority of FF villians are manipulators of a lesser villian.
Ultima was just smug about the control he had over the islands he thought he didn't need to act until Primogenesis.

>>719042434
anon… the game is written by a fujo

>>719042209
It's the same story everywhere.
People with the initial ambition get old or driven out and new people taking up the mantle are working off the prior inspiration that made the things before. But, they don't have the spark that was needed to create it in the first place.
They become derivative, shitty, it happens all the time all over the place. Videogames as a medium have been rehashing the same mechanics and plot points for at least two decades. It's rare for something actually novel to exist in the current market. Too much risk.

I personally place lot of the blame on Ubisoft, but I'm not going to get into that.

>>719042546
Maehiro isn't a fujo, you're thinking of Ishikawa who did Shadowbringers.

>>719042603
Ubisoft has been worse than EA for the industry.

>>719042434
>The reason Jill gets shafted so hard is because Joshua is functionally the main heroine
Glad I'm not the only one thinking this. Joshua is a modified Stella/Luna

>>719040183
>Sin was going around killing random villagers
also gave survivors mega aids and was basically proof that the thousands of years of human sacrifice was in vain because the method used was inherently wrong in the first place

>>719042538
No Barnabas had some weird sexual fetish or whatever. He's several degrees more removed from Ultima than Edea was to Ulimecia when she was possessed. Ultimecia herself subjugated an entire country without a bunch of convoluted puppeteering. The Ultimecia reveal was also much better paced making Ultimecia's goals clearer while escalating the plot and revealing more about the world's history. You get to explore more of that world afterward. Ultima's eveal after him appearing mumbling kingdom hearts tier nonsense throughout the entire plot is weak as it happens at the 11th hour.

>>719040183
FF has always done a good job of mixing heavy moments with goofy moments. In FFX you have Sin destroying Kilika and then an hour later you have STOP RIGHT THERE GOERS and it feels natural. 16 doesn't do that, it's grey grimdark piss shit and rape the whole way through with no moments of fun or laughter, but then it doesn't even go all in on that either because all the actual events of the game are completely toothless.

>fucking Devil May Cry has enemies with varying resistances or weaknesses, e.g. Shadows being weak to guns or frost bosses like Cerberus taking more damage from the fire weapon
>FF16 fans: ELEMENTAL WEAKNESSES ARE TOO HARD TO IMPLEMENT AND DOESN'T SUIT THE DMC-LIKE ACTION
Most fucking retarded FF16 defense ever made and it keeps being made.

>>719043074
>weird sexual fetish or whatever
He had mommy issues but he knew Ultima was the God he had to follow as a Circle of Malius follower, he knew who Ultima was, he knew his endgame and still he followed him.
Say what you want, but ultima it more involved than you give him credit for. Hell, you even fight him as Typhoon the first time you see him.

>Typhon appears
>just a purple guy, lame
>oh shit second phase, he's jamming all his clones into himself, SURELY he's about to fleshbeast into the classic Amano Typhon!
>nope still just a purple guy
The moment I knew this kusoge was soulless

>>719041317
No, both are worthless.

>>719042261
SHEEEEEEEEEEIT stay in school Jamal

>>719043278
>no moments of fun or laughter
Cid, Mid, Gav, Goetz, Lady Charon, Lubor, Otto, the troublesome students outside Mid's dungeon, and Uncle Byron all provide moments of comic relief. Did you even play the game?

>>719011157 (OP)
The game turns to a slog real fast after the second time skip

>>719043871
Yeah, I played it twice. An old bitch being sassy isn't a moment of levity. Get a new argument.

>>719043871
Mid and the students were annoying and Charon got old fast, also you forgot about the thirst queen.

>>719011157 (OP)
Is the dlc any good?

What is this message from Tranny Tragedy 16? My gender operation performed successfully?

>>719042634
what was the fujo stuff she wrote?

>>719030220
She was the only character in the game aside from maybe Clive that felt fleshed out and convincing to me and they just had her turn into a nutjob housewife

>>719044209
G'raha Tia/Crystal Exarch and the heavy gay undertones with him if you play a male character. Also in Dawntrail she wrote the Miner/Botanist questline with the two Viera guys who are obvious yaoi bait.

>>719011157 (OP)
play in japanese

I liked it. It was a real fun game with high highs, but also very slow times that were not very interesting. Major detraction for me was the enemy hp barriers. You can make some crazy combos but like half way through the enemy stops taking damage so you can do a QTE cutscene. It's really lame.

>>719011157 (OP)
It's a bad game

>>719043957
What is this scene if not levity?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP8ypGd7tak

>>719045194
Netflix """humor"""

>>719045247
So you acknowledge that it is in fact levity

>>719045296
No, it's not. But a netflix viewer probably thinks it is.

>>719040131
>>719041150
Thats a high bar but the 7 Remakes and Crisis Core Reunion are better than 16

>>719045247
pic related

Game nosedives after Bahamut. After that they keep trying to make it more and more epic and cool and outdo the last cutscene but it just ends up mundane and boring. Clive sucks as a protagonist and he cannot carry most of the shit characters that make up your "party". For it being billed as an action game, there's very little actual action moves outside of your eikon stuff. Your eikons just boil down to a braindead MMO rotation. The actual Eikon v Eikon fights are cool to mid, but I think they are the better parts of the game. Otherwise you're just in corridors or a FFXIV open world zone. I think overall the game showed to me that YoshiP and his team are a bunch of hacks and FFXIV was popular despite them, rather than because of them.

>>719045579
XIV was popular because of one (1) expac almost completely separate from the storyline by the time it released.

>>719045348
So you just don't understand the meaning of the words you use

>>719044206
Crashed again
I've beaten the dragoon and watched Joshua get sprayed with his father's blood like 6 times now

>>719011157 (OP)

The Strengths:
> Great visuals and art direction.
> Amazing music.
> Ralph Inneson as Cid
> Strong world-building
> Combat is fun.

The Weaknesses:
> Only control one character (plus dog).
> Thus you have a "party", but not a real one.
> The GoT grit jars with the anime tropes (grunts and fist clenching).
> After a great opening slumps into a grind.
> The great visuals are because the areas you explore are small.
> Weird presentation; slick, FFXIII-style UI and menus despite the game having a more traditional Final Fantasy tone and setting.

>>719047283
>HOLY FRICK IT'S THE NORMALFAG ACTOR FROM ALL MY HOLLYWOOD SLOP AND HE'S IN A VIDEO GAME???? WHOA WHOA WHOA GAME OF THE YEAR HOLY KINO I LOVE CID CID IS THE BEST CHARACTER BECAUSE HE'S LITERALLY RALPH FRICKIN UNIRONIC INESON

>>719048004
He gives a good performance, dude.

>>719048004
Well, he does a pretty great job it has to be said.

>>719048004
>hating on ralph inneson as cid
honestly just kill yourself you ungrateful contrarian trash

>>719011157 (OP)
I hated it, its filled with too much cutscenes and the gameplay is so shallow and boring.

>>719047283
>> Combat is fun.
WTF? no its not. its spamfest repetitive braindead garbage

>>719011157 (OP)
it takes itself way too seriously
stick to mmos

>>719011157 (OP)
Play it like an action game. Skip all the side quests, the characters are all kinda ass and devoid of life, they feel like AI. But the action bits are Fantastic.

>>719048004
>Ralph Ineson
>Normalfag actor
If you are a bong, maybe.

>>719049064
Not only that, the OST is fantastic.

>>719031851
Ff13 is called lost odyssey for some reason what’s your point?

The intro said "Yoshi-P" didn't even direct this so anon's MMO schizophrenia was misdirected at this game

>>719048004
Which hollywood slop are you referring to in particular?

>>719054049
I don't know, I don't watch TV or movies but I remember everyone creaming themselves because a famous guy was in the game.

>>719011157 (OP)
Because it goes on for more than a few hours but nothing much changes in terms of gameplay variety

It starts off incredibly strong and gradually gets weaker as it goes on, until it gets to an almost abrupt ending where you kill god with the power of friendship like every JRPG in existence

>>719054321
It's ironic how early on so many people on /v/ immediately shat on it for being inspired by GoT instead of japanese stuff, yet it would have possibly been better had it stuck to that theme instead of going so grandiose with killing god/demiurge again.

>>719054321
I don't hate killing god with the power of friendship, it's just retarded that the foundation of the game was edgy grimdark political scheming with a huge focus on you following the movements of all these kingdoms and armies and who their allies and enemies are, etc. And then by the halfway point of the game the writers just sweep all that shit off the board and none of it was actually ever relevant at all.

>>719054321
>"I'm not alone!!"
>all the guys that went there with him are dead
>not even his dog is there
What the fuck were they smoking man

>>719054520
>steals Jill's powers to make sure she can't go fight alongside him

>>719054449
>>719054451
The earliest bits of the story where you're traipsing around with your merry band of terrorists blowing the shit out of the big crystals is the best part. Destroying the supporting pillars of your whole society in the vague hope that once they're all gone things will somehow get better, while watching how viscerally /worse/ the world gets with each one gone. You're provoking massive refugee crisises, more and more of the continent is falling into the Blight, and you're just hoping that somehow once they're all gone everything will magically begin healing. and then you get fucking ultima ultima ultima mythos mythos logos mythos and he turns the sky pink and turns everyone into zombies wowee

>>719054520
When Clive starts talking about how his friends are his strength and his bonds carried him through and blah blah blah all I could do was laugh, it's so fucking absurd. He sounds like he's 13.

>>719011157 (OP)
>Ff xvi shill thread
>In 2025
Kill yourself retard this western slop is not final fantasy

No lalafells.

>>719011157 (OP)
Clive is literally me

>>719035768
Yup, it doesn't even make sense considering how unlocking abilities is structured. The game is objectively getting better as it goes along and you gain more freedom for player expression.
XVI just has it's own band of obsessed schizos that will spam any honest thread about it

>>719055014
>He sounds like he's 13.
Average mental age of FFXVI fans, see >>719055221

i like clive strife i think he's a cool guy

>>719055596
>Yup, it doesn't even make sense considering how unlocking abilities is structured.
What are you even trying to say with this? It's 10+ hours of gameplay between each new eikon, and no matter how long you play or how many abilities you unlock the combat never gets any deeper. Several people in this thread alone have gone in depth about how and why they dislike the game. Not liking a game you like for reasons you can't even describe doesn't make anyone a schizo. You're just a retarded faggot.

>>719011157 (OP)
It takes forever to get access to all the powers, and there isn't as much interplay between ability sets as I'd like. There's no friction, you can basically cycle between everything you have and something will always be off cooldown, and there's no real punishment for spamming stuff willy nilly

>>719011157 (OP)
>im a few hours in
and how many of those hours have been actual worthwhile gameplay?

>>719056336
idk like 1? there was lots of walking and cutscenes

>>719045419
I swear like this in real life.
I don't see see the problem.

>>719056434
grow up

>>719011157 (OP)
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>>719056434
You take a shit in real life too but I don't want to watch cutscenes of Clive on the toilet.

>>719056529
I did. I'm Australian, literally everyone here swears constantly.
That why people being pussies over swearing is baffling to me. is it just American puritans?

>>719011157 (OP)
I look like this

>>719056707
It's not polite.

>>719056623
this dumb nigga thinks this is a fucking bar

>Larry is an abo too
One brings shadow...

>>719056753
bro same

>>719056753
>>719056868
Nuh, you can't be Clive because I'm already Clive.

>>719056363
there's your answer.

>>719056760
why do your want your video game protagonists and villains who are trying to kill each other to be "polite" while doing it?

>>719057151
Because yelling like a mentally stunted teenager kills all possible dramatic tension you could've had.

>>719057151
This >>719057225
It's just lame.

>>719011157 (OP)
I heard it has gay sex in the game. Can some tell me more about the gay sex in Final Fantasy XVI?

>>719057024
i said i was clive first

>>719057313
One character is gay and he has two scenes where he's gay towards his boyfriend. They do an obscured kiss in one of the scenes as the camera pans away.
That's it

>>719057313
There's no gay sex depicted in the game but the lyrics of the main theme are actually a subtle nod to Clive's time getting buggered as a slave
>Dig, dig, dig, dig deeper
>Delve, delve, delve deeper
>Weep, weep, weep weeper

>>719057225
Funny because characters behaving realistically when they fight is what makes the tension.
What kills the tension for me is faggot anime drones smirking and anime grunting at each other, going "hmmf", announcing the names of their moves, and saying "heh nothign personal kid".

>>719055217
Tarutaru are better in every conceivable way

>>719057469
Yeah like when 33yo Clive starts yelling about using the power of friendship to kill god.

>>719057323
>i said i was clive first
No you fucking didn't that was me I said Clive is literally me

>>719057469
>rapid fire screaming fuck in the middle of a fight is more realistic than grunting
I also don't care about realism and no there's no tension when characters just throw around curse words because the writers think it's a shortcut to being mature. It just feels forced and childish. Like a woman is writing it.

>>719057829
>Like a woman is writing it.
Or a very effeminate man.

>>719057829
>in a fight
They aren't in a fight, they're trying to survive on the ground while Titan spergs out

>>719057829
You really haven't seen many public brawls or fights have you?
have a look at some altercations, attacks, body cam footage ect.
and pay attention to the words people use when they chimp out.

>>719057683
one big logical fallacy here how can clive be you when hes literally me.

My favorite part of the game was having to wail on enemies for absolutely no damage while waiting for cooldowns

>>719058082
For me it's when the boss is always nice enough to lay still when you stagger him so you can do all your big damage moves unimpeded and you can feel like a big boy in big boy diapies

It’s a game that’s too good for this dumpster fire of a board that worships Alpha Protocol and Outer Wilds.

>>719011157 (OP)
I enjoyed it until they killed the only interesting character halfway through the game

>>719058082
FF7R too.
it's even worse watching clouds giant buster sword do absolutely nothing to regular people like he's hitting them with a foam pool noodle.

That's why modern FF combat is so shit. regular attacks are useless filler and skills are way over emphasized.
they had it way better in games like KH2 years ago. where skills and magic were powerful but regular attacks weren't completely fucking useless and enemies would actually react when you hit them.

>>719058403
? Holding down square for his heavy attack chunks health off enemies. And the thing about Remake/Rebirth's combat is that you gain ATB with your basic attack so if you keep on the offensive you're always getting closer to being able to use Braver or whatever you want. In FF16 you're just waiting on cooldowns and there's nothing you can do.

>>719057386
I see. It seems the gay panic blew things out of proportion.

>>719057390
Wow, I had no idea.

>>719011157 (OP)
The first thing you do is mashing a button to use some fire attack on a fire looking enemy. All my opinion was made right there.

>>719057930
This guy completely wasted and fucked over the entire female cast.

>>719058558
>is that you gain ATB with your basic attack
Which makes them a worthless formality towards the dogshit gameplay loop of skill spam.
FF7R sucks because clouds normal attacks are framed as pissy and weak when in the real FF7 they are far from it.

>>719058592
>I see. It seems the gay panic blew things out of proportion
It's a shame, Dion is great but a lot of people here just obsessed about him being gay

>>719048707
wonder what makes wakka more beloved there

>>719056125
I'd say doing shit like pic is fun, I juggle the fuck out of and combo even stage enemies.
XVI parries are also tough as fuck and I love how they interact with skills like Odin/Flash of Steel.

Ultimately the combat gives a lot of freedom for the player. You can be a boring bitch playing it safe just to clear or you can have fun with it and be creative.

>>719058558
>waiting on cooldowns
That's a (You) problem, seriously.
And an issue with how the ults are bound the same way as skills but still, you really don't have to use the ults if you don't like them

>>719059408
>That's a (You) problem, seriously.
No, that's a game design problem.

>>719054101
wow what a retard

>>719059305
he's a meme to this day

>>719048004
>>719054101

Wait, she's 52?

>>719011157 (OP)
it's the single most boring entry to play in the entire series
it's shallow like a puddle
the sidequests are awful
the dialogue is a chore
the gameplay doesn't know what it wants to be so it becomes this half assed DMC clone that is too scared to commit to being an actual action game

some of the story beats and chars were good, the CG cutscenes are nice, the gameplay can be fun for a short time but overall it's just not a good game. maybe if it was a 6 hour experience instead of such a slog

>>719059408
>training mode
i'd rather just do that in a fighting game
the actual enemies in the game die before you even get to do anything cool and the game is intentionally designed to limit your combo ability with the limited amount of jump cancels, limited moveset, cooldowns, long animations, etc.
it's why every clip of this game is either in training mode or with people using level 1 weapons. it's not a real combo game

A horrible movie that has shallow gameplay. Buckets of nauseating profanity. Who wrote this? A 15 year old? But worst of all is the brain dead gameplay which is rendered pointless with its respawn system. What is the point in playing this turd if every time you die you will spawn where you died with full HP and potions? Why bother learning anything? To make things even worse, whatever enemy defeated you does not get their HP back. Seriously, if anyone can enjoy playing these "games" for babies, they have to be gay and retarded.

>>719052372
>anon's MMO schizophrenia was misdirected at this game
if you've played XIV, you can clearly tell that the MMO devs had their hand in this. with or without that yoshi retard