Thread 719017615

Explain which generation had the best quality and experience of games and why without resorting to strawmans or logical fallacies like nostalgia

>ps1
Worse than nintendo
>ps2
Worse than nintendo
>ps3
I can buy any good game on steam
>ps4
I can buy any good game on steam
>ps5
Doesn't have games

Console gaming peaked with the gamecube and there has been 0 reason to own one since

>>719017808
gamecube had the shittest bingtendo library and was mogged to hell and back by the superior ports of multiplats on the PS2

>>719017615 (OP)
in general or for ps specifically? either way, i think ps2 gen gets the crown. it was the first gen where the hardware was sufficient to where devs didn't have to make sacrifices all over the place just for things to function, and it shows. it also had one of the best game libraries of any system and i wasn't even that into sony consoles, i was more pc/nintendo at the time.

ps3 and early ps4 were also really good mainly for their libraries. ps1 had some great games but the ps1/n64 generation was still in the "not enough hardware to really make 3d games unfettered" era and it definitely showed.

>>719017808
Buckbroken millenial tendie. You must have been fuming when the Wii's whole existence revolved aroun the wagglepads

>>719017808
>Console gaming peaked with the gamecube
Careful while stating facts, anon. Some schizo might post an easily debunkable copypasta and call you a tranny spic.

>>719017808
lmao

>>719018053
late PS4 got a lot of good titles mixed in with slop, but i suppose that era was the catalyst for the rise of live service and shitty AA slop

>>719017808
>n64 being better than the PS1
>the fucking lmaocube better than PS2
this is your brain on N
what even good games does the gamecube even have apart from
>eternal darkness
>metroid prime (infinitely better on the Wii)
>f-zero

>>719017615 (OP)
PS1 or 2 ez but I won't lie, I had the most fun experiences on PS3

>>719017615 (OP)
ps2 definitely mogs them all, perfect mix between blockbusters and less known B-tier titles with a massive library, ps1 is a runner-up but games definitely aged much worse and you could tell that at that time the ps1 simply wasn't enough (see mgs for instance)
game budgets haven't skyrocketed yet so there was room for trial and error and experimentation which leads to the creation of some of the masterpieces of that generation as opposed to the streamlined and standartized proccess of video game dev that we have right now where every game is a generic indistinguishable walking simulator with an over-the-shoulder camera and AI-upscaled assets
not to mention the black magic that is the optimization when current devs struggle with devices that are 100000x more powerful in every aspect than the ps2 and ps3
later half of the ps3 is the generation where the slop finally settled: trailers sell the game only with graphics, DLCs and mtx, the era of moviegames and sony settling itself in the mind of normies not as the best play to game but as the publisher of massive AAA cinematic trash like tlou, there was still room for experimentation and more B-tier games like puppeteer, tokyo jungle (rip Japan Studio) and so on, but they were overshadowed by big releases (which were still kinda good to be fair, at least we still could pretend that people making those games were actual gamers themselves)
ps4 was just more of the same with streamlined development and 9th gen consoles are pretty much irrelevant since they change nothing in that regard, even the introduction of VR which was supposed to be the next big thing didn't help them

tldr
ps2 > ps3 >= ps1 > ps4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit > piss >>>>>>>> nogamestation5

>>719018415
there were some good titles (and there continue to be to this day even on ps5) but it was the beginning of the decline, mainly due to sony's restructuring happening around that time and the transition from their games division being headquartered in japan with significant overseas input to being completely run out of the bay area with no heed to what anyone else thought. and it turned out about how you'd expect.

the ps2 felt more polished than the ps1, but by that time genre conventions had solidified. devs had mostly figured out 3D graphics and dual analog controls, it felt like "more of the same"
the ps3 and ps4 felt like downgrades. slow, annoying, predatory.
the ps1 takes the cake for me
it happened during a time of technological improvement, so things were changing constantly
games were experimental and unique, jank but in a quirky and interesting way
i feel like some modern indie games managed to recapture part of that feeling.

>>719017615 (OP)
6th gen, as in the PS2 / GC / Xbox / GBA-DS era.

>3D had matured to a point where even the most jarred graphix fags couldn't complain
>Snoy dominated with the cheap DVD player + full backwards compatibility with PS1 games
>Endless mega-classics, such as MGS2-3, SH2-4, Fatal Frame 1-3, FFX, Jak trilogy, Ratchet trilogy, Zelda WW-TP, GTA3-SA, Half-Life 2, Doom 3, Far Cry, RtcW, CoD1, WC3...
>PC became a truly confident gaming platform, and was not yet ruined by DRM shit.
>Peak internet era; free flash animations and games, first memes. Gave birth to 4chan too! No social media, no attention whores, no mobile-shitposters...

>>719018080
>>719018085
>>719018454
I'm not a "tendie" retards I don't even like Nintendo. It was just better in both gens. Then there was no reason to own any console post steam launch.

>what games does gc have
Windwaker (came with all previous zelda games)
Twilight Princess
Super mario Sunshine/Luigis mansion
Air ride
Metroid Prime franchise
Pikmin 1/2
4sa
3d Pokemon
Bomberman Generations
Best mario parties outside of 3
Double Dash
More but I'm too lazy to keep listing. Ps2 had Mgs, DMC, FF10 and that's about it for worthwhile games. Pretty much any other game was either better on PC, had a gamecube port, or was shit.

>>719018230
Let them seethe I don't care what consoleshills think anyway.

>>719018975
for gc i'll add ffcc and eternal darkness, those were both great

>>719018975
>that's about it for worthwhile games
Ace Combat 4, 5 and 0
Gran Turismo 4 and 3 A-Spec (and Tourist Trophy)
Tekken 5
Rachet and Clank
GTA games
Simpsons Hit and Run

And that's from the top of my head. Please kill yourself.

>>719018975
The existence of Steam has made me double down on Console lmao keep feeding that fat fuck gaben your money so each of his 300 employees can afford a yacht each

>>719019754
>Ace combat, Gran Turismo
Shitty sim games for people with autism
>tekken 5
Was better on arcade and outright worse than most fighting games in the generation especially Soul Calibur or Melee.
>GTA games
Started on pc and had to be ported to playstation as a franchise. Pc releases of them were better in every way.
>Simpsons
Was literally on gc
You're retarded do not post again.

>>719020239
>I like my games at 30fps and paying 100$ a year to use my own internet actually
Kek every time

>>719020384
>30fps
BF6 runs at 120 fps and has 0 turd world cheaters with gtx 1050 setups once you turn off crossplay :^)
Enjoy playing with cheating brown people

Current because I can play every game from the previous generations for free on my linux PC.

>>719020672
Same but on my macbook

>>719020493
>enjoy your cheaters
>everyone on console xims and uses aim asisst anyway
None of you niggers play the game lmao

>>719020239
>im too retarded to pirate and instead gave 30% of my hard earned cash to console storefront so i could stick it to gaben

>>719020308
>Ace Combat le bad
It's not a sim you stupid fucking gorilla nigger, it's an arcade flight game where you shoot down a billion airborne enemies per level while your comrades cheer over comms
you deserve to be banned for that shit opinion
>Gran Turismo 4 le bad
And it shits all over Double Dash and whatever the gc has (excluding F-Zero which never recieved sequels apart from the 99 meme game, because Nintendo is fucking gay)
>GTA
Not on gaycube.
>Hit and Run
I legitimately wasn't aware GC had it. I take that back.

Even more PS2 kino:
>Armored Core
>Shadow Hearts
>Katamari Damacy

Gen 5 and early Gen 6 was peak gaming. 1886-2002. The perfect moment where advances in technology were large but did not overshadow creative gameplay ideas and limitations forced creativity.

>>719021081
i already knew you were brown but you didn't have to out yourself this way. You might as well shoplift in your local supermarket like a spic or a nigger if you're too poor to afford games on your 1500$ RLGBT computer

>>719021609
>I think using an inferior machine just to spite Valve is completely retarded. Why didn't you just pirate or use alternative software vendors if they upset you that much?
>"brooooown! you're brown!"
FYI, I actually pay for my games because I'm not a faggot who hates Gaben for some reason.

>>719017808
>>ps1
>Worse than nintendo
N64 was a mario, zelda, and rare machine mostly. The library was small and homogenous. And the multiplats were better on ps1
>>ps2
>Worse than nintendo
The gamecube was a step up from the n64, the multiplats were actually better on gc a lot of the time, much better controller than 64, library was about double the size and you actually had things to play other than muh mario and zelda and scrimblos. But the bulk of the classics that gen were were exclusive to ps2 or at least missed gamecube, gc missed out on mgs, ff, kh, silent hill, dmc. Gc had twin snakes but ps2 can play the original, 2 and 3. Gc had crystal chronicles but its like this weird link cable gimmick spin off that doesnt really appeal to most people most people wanted ffx and ffxii instead and the gc had maybe a dozen rpgs total while ps2 had sooooo many, you could play kh com via gba player but most would rather play 1, 2, or com on gba recom on ps2. The gc has resi 4 but even though its a better resi 4 than ps2 had ps2 also had fucking sh2 and 3 and fatal frame and rule of rose, siren and clock tower 3 it had no shortage of other games to make up for it. Gamecube has the capcom 5 i guess to compete with dmc but most people would choose dmc instead

I grew up with a gamecube, its a good system with good library, its just that when you compare it to the ps2, its unfair the ps2 is that good.
>>ps3
>I can buy any good game on steam
Not lbp, mgs4, des or dod3
>>ps4
>I can buy any good game on steam
Not bloodborne
>>ps5
>Doesn't have games
True, its dogshit

>>719022469
>ps4
>>I can buy any good game on steam
>Not bloodborne
NTA but you can play Bloodborne on PC at 60fps without chromatic aberration with ShadPS4

>>719022469
>>719022717
>Little Big Planet
The servers literally got killed off a short while ago. You have to emulate on PC to play LBP levels.

>>719017808
why am I seeing so many blatant nintendo falseflag posts recently?

>>719022786
You can play the story mode at least
Yeah the appeal is online levels but still

>>719017615 (OP)
Honestly you can't go wrong with any of the first three. Playstation 4 is where it starts to get iffy but there's a few gems here and there.

>>719017615 (OP)
Sega Saturn
You wouldn't get it

>>719023075
STFU shitch zealot

>>719017615 (OP)
PS1 for the innovation.
PS2 for the bloat.

>>719019754
Simpsons Hit and Run is overrated. Its popularity with ecelebs and youtubers confuses me greatly. Road Rage was so much better.

For Sony? Gen 5 is the best and then gen 6. PS1 generally has higher average in quality.

>>719017808
PS2 sold 5x the amount of units than GameCube, Dreamcast, and Xbox combined.
Your move.

>>719026000
>muh sales!
Wasted trips

>>719026000
The gc, dc, and og xbox sold a combined total of about 56 million units. So the ps2 at best sold a little over the 3 times the conbined total of its competitors.

>>719017615 (OP)
None all consoles are trash

>>719017808
gigatendie copium lmao

>>719026839
>HOT STUFF COMING THROUGH

>>719020308
>sim games
Anyone gonna tell em it's metal gear with planes?

>>719026000
>marvel movies are good
>league of legends is good
>minecraft is good
>wow is good
I guess being popular automatically makes things good now. Consider suciide or at least going back to where you came from.

>>719023545
>you might not be able to walk anymore, but you can push yourself around in a wheelchair!

>>719029586
>minecraft
It's good when you have a pirated copy stuffed to the brim with mods, with a cracked server for you and your friends.

>>719029586
See >>719028678
So if sales don't matter, what DOES matter? Your subjective taste?

>>719017808
weapons-grade bait

>>719029924
You don't know what moving the goalpost is. I stated examples that match what you said, which you clearly agree with since to you the most money made means it was the best product. How many copies of Tlou2 do you own? I guess you loved Black Myth Wukong, reddit dead redemption, hogwartz legacy, the witcher 3. While. Your favorite movies are Avatar, avengers endgame and titanic. Some taste you got there I'm sure you're very proud.

>>719030541
>How many copies of Tlou2 do you own?
None. Gay series.
>I guess you loved Black Myth Wukong
Never played it.
>reddit dead redemption
Moviegame, not my thing.
> hogwartz legacy
Gayness
>the witcher 3.
Still not my thing.
>While. Your favorite movies are Avatar,
Hell no.
>avengers endgame
Last good Dysneymarvel movie was Winter Soldier.
>and titanic.
The only part I've even seen is Leo's death scene on Youtube. I lol'd.
>Some taste you got there I'm sure you're very proud.
Thanks, even though you missed every mark.

>>719030695
Wow you must only like bad media if you're not consuming the best(most sales) thing

I would love you say PS1 but I think overall it is the PS2. >>719018053
>>719018506
>>719018673
really nail why. I STILL take the PS1 of the PS2 but the PS2 is the correct answer

>>719017808
here's your (You)

>>719030876
I stick to shmups, fighting games, rhythm games, and CUHRAYZEE "character action" games.
I'm still wondering what objectively makes a console the best. Let me guess: Bing bing wahoo games on tendie consoles and brown FPS gaims on the xbawks? Literally the only Switch games I own are Bomberman R, Fit Boxing feat Miku, a few indie games, and a bunch of rhythm games.

>>719021130
>1886

man I bet European royalty was loving the fuck outta mario

>>719030695
>>reddit dead redemption
>Moviegame, not my thing.

how the flying fuck is it a movie game??

the open world and it's mechanics are pure kino

>>719032014
he's probably calling it a moviegame because of the photorealism and the large amount of cutscenes. It's very movie-like in its presentation, but you already knew that

>>719032358
Rockstar literally has the prefect balance between story and gameplay.

also is this RDR1 or 2?

>>719017615 (OP)
6th probably
+devs didn't have the ability to patch outside of PC, so they were forced to ship complete games
+budgets weren't bloated as fuck so studios could afford to experiment
+most studios were trying out different shit instead of everyone riding the same bandwagons
+Games prioritized being games, even story heavy ones had a lot of effort put into making the gameplay the main attraction
+DS and PSP felt like huge leaps in tech and offered more or less just as many good games as traditional consoles, while also being awesome for emulation on the go
+devs weren't obsessed with appealing to western teenagers through gritty realism yet
+open world games became viable
=less streamlined shit so a lot of rough edges
-shovelware up the ass
-dreamcast flopped and died
-waaaaaaaaaaay too many JRPGs
From the 7th onward things went to shit big time

>>719032358
name me any other game that does wild west stuff better?

RDR is literally the perfect wildwest sim

>>719032719
will things ever comeback to not being shit???

fuck PlayStation fags, The Switch was the cure this whole time since it has all that you listed and the only negative thing about it is that it has the game update thing and kinda soulless UI but otherwise feels pretty neck and neck with the PS2 for me.

>>719021081
>pirating
>enriching the HR whore at Valve
pick one stupid brownoid

>>719017615 (OP)
You might as well take the 7th and 8th gens out of the conversation entirely, it's really a battle between the 5th and 6th here.

>>719034925
7th and 8th gen still have games to rate. I don't care if you're a gullible retard who got alienated in 2012 and got coerced to switch to PC because of reddi.t

>>719035242
It would be like including Poland and Luxembourg on a list of WWII combatants. What's the point when they're going to get eliminated immediately?

>>719035460
Low IQ analogy, try again

>>719017615 (OP)
4th.
>why
-Last gen where gameplay was the focus, cdrom's shifted the focus onto cinematics.
-2D graphics were almost at their peak.
-Last gen where dev times were short and budgets weren't absurd, meaning their were shitloads of new games every single week.
-Multiple systems, not just sega/nintendo but also NEC, SNK, Commodore, Arcade, plus multiple handhelds and PC etc
-Exclusive games on every single one

>>719036561
bro we have even better 2D games. We can get hand drawn shit now.

ps2 had ps3 tier games out of sheer genius
ps3 had ps2 tier games out of incompetency

>>719032736
>name me any other game that does wild west stuff better?
Wild Guns Reloaded
Samurai Western

>>719017615 (OP)
>Ps1
When gaming got really good and gave us some of the best RPGs around, but FPS and Fighting games didn't age very well and the controller was missing rumble and joysticks
>PS2
To some people this was the peak of gaming, to others it was the start of a golden age. Either way this gave us classics that still hold up today. It was a perfect controller, perfect as a spare DVD payer, and over all incredible experience.
>ps3
Some say this was the peak of console gaming, some say it was the beginning of the end. But everyone agrees after this generation everything started going down hill. The graphics took us to the HD age, the games were multiplayer extravaganzas, devs took bold experimental risks, controller was now wireless, and on top of this it played any media format off my USB drive so comfy nights with a purate bay movie were plenty, and netflix finally came to consoles.
The controversial decisions of digital store purchases, DLC slop, and F2P did also start in this era. It may have been cheered at the time but it slowly did become a loathesome industry killing practice.
Whether you saw it as the peak or the downfall, everyone agrees after this it never would get any better.
It was also the only generation where people actively owned every console cause each one had something to offer. Even in Gen 6 you at most maybe had a ps2 and one other and skipped on the rest.
>PS4
Didn't bother.
By then I moved to PC. The PS4 took away my video playback off of USBs and started charging for online. Trackpad in the middle of the controller was shit no one asked for. The glowing LED on the controller was too fucking bright, and I love me some flashy lights.
I appreciate they saved physical discs for a decade and pushed back the hellscape xbox was leading gamers towards with Xbone... but it really does feel like they could only do so much.

>>719039719
I'm positive you can still play mp4 files off a usb stick on a ps4

>>719032719
I loved gen 7 but it was when the cancerous practices began.
>3ds was great
>Using any console as a usb media player was great
>Playing with friends online was great
>The toxic chat was great
>Even the shitty reviews, tips, and ads thrown in that you'd discover browsing the homescreen were great.
But all this would go from quaint innovation to straight up fucking cancer after this generation and they would take away all media playback on USBs.
I get why people hate gen 7 in retrospect, but at the time it really was peak.

>>719040282
Depends.
I've brought over a USB with an MP4 only to have it get unrecognized then play it on a ps3.
You also can't play all the other codecs.
PS5 got worse about it.

SONY wanted to curb some online piracy cause sony makes shows and movies too.
But they also wanted to make sure to advertise you can play home movies on it.

>>719040725
Maybe it has something to do with hdcp? I had to disable it on my ps5 to play games through an Elgato. Perhaps disabling it would let the system recognize mp4 files.

>>719017615 (OP)
PS2/Xbox/GameCube

or

PS3/Xbox 360/Wii


3 systems in both generations that all had good libraries of games with enough exclusives to make all of them worth owning

>>719040402
where's my wholesome Nintendo/animal crossing GF?

>>719035805
>No argument