Thread 719030056

Thoughts on N. Switch usage

It seems to have better width when holding on hand than Tarantula Pro. One thing T3 Lite has over Tarantula Pro is how the grips sit on your hand, T3 Lite seems to be overall better design controller in that regard than Tarantula Pro. Well the good thing is 8BitDo Pro3 grips are closer to T3 Lite than to Tarantula Pro, the grips sit on hand comfortably.

I haven't had the controller for long time yet, so I can't comment on everything yet, but one thing that seems to be a bit of a miss for me how distant the sticks are from thumbs. When you're holding the controller in a rested form (so left thumb on d-pad, right thumb on face buttons) everything is ok, the controller feels comfortable. But I don't know if it's because the small size of the sticks, or some kind of distance they have to the grips, that it feels like the thumbs have to make longer travel to arrive at the sticks, than they would at gamesir symmetric style controllers (T3 lite and tarantula pro). Because sticks are small, and probably further away than on my 2 gamesir controllers, the thumbs on sticks on pro 3 have to activate more thumb muscles.

Some other inconveniences:
- home button is at bad spot, it's better when it's at middle of controller (think ultimate 2), same with screen capture button, these both are at really awkward place imo. Thumbs have to do extra work to reach select/start buttons because they're way too middle.
- I haven't had chance to play with triggers much yet, they could be good, but I might prefer Ultimate 2 and Cyclone 2.
- Button location changing completely useless gimmick unless you're playing many different consoles, because it doesn't change what the buttons actually do (unlike Tarantula Pro, which changes the function). I prefer seeing wrong layout (ABXY) on cyclone 2, and then having selectable profiles wit diffrerent layouts, than just changing the look with no change in function.

I say that because my whole journey on third party controllers is to get away from the ergonomic unpleasentness that is Switch Pro 2 (the plastic is way too hard, and the grip angles are way too extreme), and the Pro 3 seems to be following on the footsteps of Switch Pro 2 with its "activate more muscles" thumb usage, due to the design, distances and locations of buttons. If I compare Pro 3 to Ultimate 2, on Ultimate 2 I can do all of my stuff with very minimal thumb movement. The plus/start button is very close to home button, the screen share button is very close to select button, and this entire group of buttons are very close to facebuttons, d-pad and joysticks. On Pro 3, the thumbs have to walk extra length to press either start and select button, probably worse is you have to adjust your grip grip (not typo) when moving either thumb to screen capture or home buttons. This feels like you're doing unnecessary movements with your thumbs/adjusting of grip, when none of my other controllers have this problem. Ok maybe T3 Lite, but I don't think it's as big problem on gamesir as it's on Pro 3.

While I said I'm still open about triggers and they could actually be good, what I'm not so keen about are the L1/R1 buttons, or the L4/R4 macro buttons. I feel like on Ultmate series controllers these were done better.

I think Ultimate 2 is ergonomically better controller, it's more "thought out", you can buy either 2C BT, or if you want btter triggers you get the Ultimate 2 version, but basically neither these or the gamesirs I've used seem to have same kind of potential pitfalls that the Pro 3 has. Those sticks are just too far out, and they're way too small. It's kind shame because in resting position the controller feels quite good, when you're not interacting with either of the sticks, not reaching select/start, and not reaching screen capture/home buttons.

Also, here's small tier list of button function change

rank 1 - Tarantula Pro (changes both the letters, and function)
rank 2 - Cyclone 2 (letters stay, but change function)
rank 3 (worst) - Pro 3 (change the letters, but don't change the function)

not even the gimmick is good

Money (not) well spent?

>>719030662
Ultimate feels comfy even when you use it

Pro 3 feels comfy when you (don't) use it

there is a big difference

Both tarantula pro and t3 lite (which I prefer ergo wise), despite feeling very different to hold, both have 3cm distance from one stick to another. It's one of things I measured when I first got Tarantula Pro, because of how different it felt to T3 Lite

On 8Bitdo Pro 3, the edge distance between sticks is 2.5cm . That probably doesn't tell the whole story, the stick placement tells it better, when you put Pro 3 on top of T3 Lite you can see that Pro 3 sticks are closer to the middle than on T3 Lite

I don't understand why they make the face of these so flat, doesn't the edge dig into your hands? shit looks goofy ahh unc ngltspmo

>>719031219
I could be wrong, but I think the flatness itself might not be a problem, because most of the time you're probably resting the thumb on either stick, d-pad or facebuttons

>home button is at bad spot, it's better when it's at middle of controller
Absolutely not. extra buttons being parallel to both the sticks and d-pad/face buttons is perfect placement, the decision to mirror the SNES controller select and start buttons is in no way influenced by those extras and something they keep doing for well over 10 years now for no good reason.

You know it's kinda bad when a new 8BitDo controller has sticks that somehow manage to feel much more awkward to use than already slightly awkward tarantula pro sticks.

>>719031503
when I game, I prefer my capture/home/select/start to all be on one pack. So far most of my controllers have managed to do this just fine (even tar pro despite having capture button dead center, slightly weird spot and very small button). On Cyclone 2, or any of my Ultimate 2 variants (2c wireless 2c bt or ultimate 2) the group of buttons is very easy to reach, because the group of buttons is not far away from where your thumbs are when gaming. On Pro 3 either your left or right thumb has to do sort of "backtrack" montion for home or capture button, regardless if you're resting the thumb on stick, or on d-pad/facebuttons. It just isn't good design "user experience"/workflow wise, bad ergonomics

A guy youtube guy went on CES and said GameSir's cooking with new variants of many of their controllers. There's that talk that there may be some new tech on the horizon that different from TMR or something. Well maybe if they slightly change the design of Tarantula Pro, do something to the shape of grips so it's closer to T3 Lite (since that seems to be the reason why the stick usage feels so different to T3 Lite, despite what looks to be same placement location, and certainly same distance between sticks). If they can change the grips shape to be slightly more favorable, and put some new tech that exceeds TMR so they can market it to gaming audience, while also retaining the button rotation functionality of original tar pro.. I think that could make Tarantula Pro 2 the best Symmetrical controller.

when will the tenegria pro come out
fuckers took down the tarantula from the EU site

>>719034032
if you want tarantula pro, I think you can get it from amazon, if not there then from maxgaming

>>719034213
oh right there are resellers, I forgot teehee

I don't know if it's my inherent bias, or if it's the game I'm playing, but if I try to play Vampire Survivors (game that might favor asymmetric controllers) with Pro 3 stick, my hand instinctively tries to reach the d-pad instead, and of course that's a game you're kinda meant to play with stick (I think), so at least on this particular game the sticking is not working at all if my hand instinctively wants to change to what feels more comfortable position (the resting position on d-pad)

The triggers are weird.. they feel kinda lifeless (at least on switch), I tried on racing game (very bad here) and splatoon 3. I much prefer the trigger on Ultimate 2 controllers over to this

>>719030056 (OP)
I haven't even tried mine yet, but it looks cool on the stand.

>>719030056 (OP)
What's better over the ultimate 2c?

>>719037182
If you have ultimate 2c (especially if it's BT version with digital tactile triggers), I think from 8bitdo you could go for ultimate 2 if you want slightly different triggers, and LED lights. Ultimate 2 trigger also feels better than 2c wireless because that one feels stringy to me. If you want more, then some other company controllers (I can't comment much, I only have cyclone 2, tar pro and t3 lite, and overall I think both Ult 2 and Ult 2c are both more balanced than those controllers)

I think Pro 3 is the perfect player 2 controller. You know you have to have one controller to let friend play with, one that you feel like you don't care if it gets too greasy, because you wont play with it. But you don't wanna hand your friend a pink controller, or some mini controller either, because that'd look like a humiliation ritual. So you give them Pro 3 instead.

>>719033413
>new tech on the horizon that different from TMR or something
K-Silver released capacitive sticks early this year, but barely anything's released that uses them so far, and they have an extra pin compared to their hall/TMR sticks so they don't swap into any boards that weren't designed specifically for them.
There's been speculation on how they work, but I've yet to see a definitive teardown. All I know is they're advertised as driftproof, not the same as the ones Valve used, and the budget PXN P5 8K using them has absurdly high stick resolution, especially for its price point.

Ultimately I expect it to be nothing more than a marketing gimmick.

>>719038087
Yeah this is the thing I had on my tongue, but didn't remember what it was called.

>buying 8bitNO after what happened with the original SN30s
You'd have to be nuts.

>>719038567
qrd?

>>719038567
Feel like you could say the same about Flydigi or Gamesir too, chinkshit didn't fully mature until recent years.

>>719038740
Also Gulikit, they went from years of laggy overpriced pieces of shit with occasional false advertising, to competitively priced controllers with top class responsiveness in all connection modes instead of just wired xinput
Brand loyalty gets you nowhere with chinks, treat everything like a random release from a literally who brand and wait for hard numbers and detailed reviews, regardless of good, bad, or zero past experience.

Why do you fags just not buy the switch online controllers
They work on pc

The problem of Pro 3 is that the sticks are too far away from buttons, they're too much inwards. I was thinking well is it because the controller design itself is too wide (I've never really played with ps4 or ps5 controllers personally, I've only owned PS1 long ago and a PS3), but I guess maybe it's not so much that, but simply that the sticks on Pro 3 are too much inwards to the center. At least looking at these images of Playstation controllers, I would think something between PS3/PS4 spec is the sweet spot. I don't have much exprience on this, but eyeing on the, the sticks even on the wide PS5 controller look to be closer to buttons than they are are on Pro 3 controller. So basically you run more to this risk if your symmetrical controller is too wide, and less so if it's "packed in small space" like on PS3 controller (which is why I say somewhere between ps3/ps4 is probably ideal, if there's risk that ps3 size form factor is too small for some people). Strangely enough assymetrical controller design seems to be harder to fuck up like this

Anyone here have the Gamesir G7 Pro? Should I redeem?

>>719040623
What platform are you planning on using it for? If you wanna use it on xbox, you should check if it supports wireless on xbox, because many controllers on xbox work only on wired mode. I think 8bitdo ultimate 2 40year rare edition or whatever, that one might've worked wirelessly on xbox? If you need to have that xbox style d-pad on your xbox, you may have to watch some videos and check some articles where they say whether a controller works wirelessly or not on xbox

>>719040503
Don't have stuff on hand to compare, but iirc SN30 Pro+ has the sticks spaced the same as DS1-3, which were much smaller controllers. They're closer together than third party DS4-likes, which in turn are closer together than Dualsense. Should be the same for Pro 2 and Pro 3 since they're the same shell with more button cutouts.

I don't think symmetrical vs asymmetrical matters for this particular issue, if you find it uncomfortable to reach that far for a left stick you'd find it uncomfortable to reach for a d-pad in the same spot. Everything should be spaced with the thumbs' range from the grips in mind, regardless of layout.

>>719038087
We already perfected analog stick sensors.
But then companies realized perfection wasn't profitable...

>>719043015
Isn't it expensive to make this thing last long time, like all parts would have to be made of steel or something?

>>719038087
People complain that Gamesaar and 8bitdo are shitty brand names and then there's BEITONG KUNPENG

>>719043539
>mobapad

>>719043150
Just redesign the mechanics from the ground up but keep the optical sensor part
There's no reason they can't put optical sensors in modern sticks

>>719043015
*blocks your path*

>>719043150
i mean, retards are already willing to pay up to $200 for a "fancy" pro controller that uses the same shitty alps sticks

>>719043761
Oh yeah you're right, all the 1st party companies should make Hall Effect or TMR at very least. When you can buy 2-3 third party controllers for price of one Switch Pro 2 you kinda forget "oh yeah switch pro controllers aren't drift proof"

>>719043823
>Another NPC that can't separate the mechanical failure from the perfected sensor

>>719043150
Got mine on the way :)

>>719044130
buy an ad

youtuber said there might be gamesir supernova 2 this year

>>719044178
done, bought a campaign for $50

>>719044130
Isn't that think like $200?

>>719044130
This shit is literally part of the shit that's holding n64 gaming back. Controllers that do not work, and then there's poor graphic output from non-HDMI modded consoles. It's cheaper to have an xbox modded with modchip + 2tb HDD than to try get n64 ultrahdmi modded + prive of good everdrive cartridge (the one that allows saving on SD card is more expensive than regular)

>>719043539
For me it's BigBig Won

I think I found a problem, there are no led lights on Pro 3 controller. Unironically they're pretty cool feature to have on game controllers

>>719044292
>the one that allows saving on SD card is more expensive than regular
Summercart is both cheaper and better than the most expensive everdrive. Blueretro adapters are cheap too and let you use nearly any BT controller

>>719030056 (OP)
What's stopping them from making these compatible with playstation and xbox?

where the fuck is vader 5 i need that s/x d-pad

>>719045552
Sony and Microsoft only offer compatibility for controllers that pay for certification and adhere to their standards, Nintendo has no such restriction.

>>719045552
They have a series of controllers for the xbox. Strangely enough they've all been wired until recently

Pro 3 with slightly different design (less wide, much bigger sticks so larger diameter), better button placement for home / select, the shape of home/select into circular or square button instead of this thin line of coke, then this would be a great controller. As it is, it's not very intuitive to use because it has these oversights in its design

>>719044673
According to gamepadia metrics, that controller line is allegedly pretty good

>>719047050
Good brand, ridiculous name. Supposedly they've been rebranding to Mojhon since the release of the Aether, but it hasn't seemed like that stuck.

>>719030463
>letters
who the fuck cares about the legends on the buttons you stupid faggot. do you look at the buttons while playing?
you remind me of the absolute mongoloids who won't buy a keyboard because it doesn't have an Õ key when that shit is determined by your operating system's layout

>>719048186
It's been answered many times already in previous threads, no need to be an ass about it

>controller thread
Im gonna take this time to bitch about the Duelsense. I pretty used to swap out and rotate my controllers whenever a new series would release. Especially around Black Friday when they would become cheaper. But now that I cant swap Im starting to see why people bitch about Duelsenses. I never understood the stick drift hate but now I get it. Almost every single controller I used has gotten drift. Its bullshit 2bh. Whats a good 3rd party alternative for PS5?

>>719048718
>no reason given
I accept your concession

>>719030056 (OP)
>YES HELLO BUY THE GAMESAAR

>>719048980
>Whats a good 3rd party alternative for PS5?
>3rd party
>ps5
My man, you pick the wrong console for that. The only options are dualshock knockoffs and overprice pro controllers.
I think the Chroma are less prone to stick drift since they are all newer revisions.

>>719030056 (OP)
The only problem I have with this controller are the face buttons, they are too loud and the shape of them kinda suck too. Flat circle buttons feel and look strange to me.

>>719049703
There are certain games on switch (usually indie ports not ported for the switch BAYX layout, but also rockstar games like RDR or GTA games) that benefit from ABXY button layout, and no I don't mean "whoaaa, facebutton has different letter", I mean functionality, the action performs better when you press button that's in... different location (imagine if you were holding xbox controller, and you're playing Halo, would you rather jump from the down button, or the B/right button? Well entire world grew jumping happening from down button, so it'd be silly if suddenly you were asked to jump from right button).

Tarantula Pro is great controller because it changes BOTH the functionality AND the letter. Cyclone 2, which relies on profiler, ok the letter stays the same but you can still change functionality with software profiles you put into controller's memory, then change profile with press of button. On 8bitdo Pro 3 , you might be able to do it with software (I'm not sure) , but the functionality sure as hell isn't going to change with the meme/gimmick they advertised, which in comparison to Tar Pro is fucking weak. That's why I keep posting that tarantula pro webm, because it's such a good and useful thing to have for those few times when you're playing a game that benefits from different layout, you just rotate it. Tarantula Pro (afaik, I could very well be wrong) is the only controller that lets you change both the letters AND the functionality on the fly, with that rotation magic. I do not understand why something so simple, genuine and pure triggers you guys so much.

>>719050115
>I think the Chroma are less prone to stick drift since they are all newer revisions.
Shit. Well if im sticking first party then I guess I'll just wait and see if I can get the Edge since it has those swappable sticks.

i ordered it, should come next week. then i'll sell my Ultimate 2C.

>>719048980
>PS5
A Dualsense, but with TMR sticks.

>>719050390
>would you rather jump from the A or the B button
the legends are fucking irrelevant you faggot. can't you understand that?
if you're not retarded you should be looking at the screen, not the buttons

>>719050643
You keep harping about the letters, when I just told you the functionality changes too. Go be a retard somewhere else

>>719050390
>changes both functionality and the letter
this is retarded and a waste of money. you're much better off with configurable profiles and a simple switch between config button. kind of like DS4windows and its profiles for ds4 controllers

>>719050729
>this is retarded and a waste of money.
It's not, it's a cool gimmick. Did you know there still exist people that wear wristwatches? Did you know that even among those people, exist those that wear batteryless mechanical watch? Well this isn't quite that level, but this sure is cool as hell thing to pull off when you need it.

>>719050390
>Cyclone 2, which relies on profiler, ok the letter stays the same but you can still change functionality with software profiles you put into controller's memory, then change profile
The FAQ for that controller mentions a button combo for what you want, no profiles involved.

I've got an 8bitdo Ultimate original that got fucked up royally by a kitten's brief stay, and a Gamesir G7 Pro that feels like its been put through its paces enough to have little niggling issues with the right trigger or A button. Honestly, I keep eyeing 8bitdo controllers but their D-Pads piss me off, and people keep saying the Gamesir Cyclone 2 or whatever is pretty good but I'm still keeping my eye out on options.

>>719050976
If you want d-pad, I'd get the xbox s/x style d-pad

>>719043909
It is beyond disgusting that Nintendo gets away with charging practically a whole fucking Benjamin for a controller that still uses defect-prone ALPS potentiometer sticks.

Wasn't it found that the Pro 3 has a worse polling rate than the Ultimate 2 or something?

>>719030056 (OP)
let me guess...