Thread 719157876

>how can we sell yet another gacha game while the space is full of le gayshin killer gacha games?
>just remove gacha :^)
Beyond based, if you ask me.

Total gacha death

QRD: in the latest beta DNA removed gacha completely. To get characters and weapons (there's no more 4-star and 5-star btw) you have to collect the shards either by playing the game or buying them directly in any amount you want. For gear there's no RNG either - you get exactly what you farmed for.

>>719157876 (OP)
They need to remove the jank first if they really want to release a warframe copy-pasta in this side of the planet.

>>719157876 (OP)
>oh noo another gacha game with cute animay girls white white hair holding swords

>>719157876 (OP)
ok but does it still have kernel anticheat?

>>719158017
sounds like its gonna be more grindy than gambling with gacha

>>719157876 (OP)
This really is too good to be true.
I bet they just moved the gacha onto shitty 2000s korean mmo tier grinding.
You'll want to kill yourself trying to get stuff f2p.

>>719160793
Yes, that's the point. It's an actual video game you play now instead of it being a glorified slot machine.

>>719160421
>remove the jank
>to release a Warframe copy pasta
Uhhh, I have played a lot of Warframe. It wouldnt be true to Warframe if it was jank-free.

>>719157876 (OP)
Lemme know when they release cute anime girl Gauss.

>>719161002
If they are smart, they will try to mirror The First Descendant's model, and try not to get too much more ridiculous than that. Or else than can indeed expect a very short run time.

>>719161308
I know who you are

>>719161930
Tom?

>>719161093
but it doesn't change the gameplay at all
all it does is that instead of doing 5min dailies to get resources, you have to farm for hours

>>719162419
No, the change is that you can freely farm everything. And the gameplay is good because it's Warframe. If you don't like it you can fuck off back to your dozen other log-in simulators.

>>719162637
>other log-in simulators
If the game relies on dailies and timegated content, it's a log-in simulator, and I have my reasons to believe that this is what it's gonna be. If I can't fuck off for a month and feel like I didn't lose anything it's still not a real game.

ok but does it still have kernel anticheat?

>>719162747
>If the game relies on dailies and timegated content
It's not.
>and I have my reasons to believe
You don't. You are just a seething SEAmonkey addicted to gambling.

Bye bye.

>>719157876 (OP)
I had no interest in the game before, but that is a very ballsy move. I will play this game and probably buy some of their stuff just to support them. Hopefully more devs start to push more free games with no gacha

>>719163702
I think they have a great opportunity. The gacha bubble is already on the verge of bursting and there is a serious void in the "non-gacha live service anime game" market.

>>719157876 (OP)
>will force other devs to make quality skins instead of being lazy with weapon skin stat sticks
I will fucking kneel if they pull it off

>>719161002
Chances are they'll be fairly generous with the daily/weekly capped rewards
The infinite grindable stuff tho? Chinese MMO hell for sure

>>719160793
>>719162419
Holy fuck I hate gachatards.

>>719168038
They've been seething since yesterday. This whole situation really outed them as the subhumans everyone always called them.

>>719166324
Hearing that it's not going to be gacha is what is specifically what's making me pick it up. I refuse to engage with gacha games no matter how high quality they might otherwise be.

>>719168478
It's not just here
I've seen people on other platforms say this stuff (exact quotes):
>So this game is not a gacha? easy skip
>..I know this may sound stupid but...this kinda kills my immediate interest in the game...
>I don't like this concept. I Gacha games fans, when i get character from gacha i feel very happy, i don't know why, but when i get character free IM not happy (example when i get wuwa,zzz,hsr 5 star character for free)

>>719168975
They have irreversible brain damage.

>>719157876 (OP)
but does it still have daily stamina bullshit? the beta i played didn't let you farm as much as you want because it was time gated

>>719168975
It's one thing to be a terminal gachafag and another to be skeptical because they DID start as gacha and GaaS has to make money somehow.

>>719157876 (OP)
>Tranine
>Gacha
Rope

>>719169117
Stamina is gone too. No time gates.

>>719169139
Being skeptical is fine. Declaring that gacha mechanics would be better is demented.

>>719169278
>No time gates.
Oh, you're going to run into a very different kind of time gate.

>>719169343
Yeah the "play the game" variety of time gate. Which I'm fine with.

>>719157876 (OP)
too bad the gameplay looks like shit

>>719157876 (OP)
how has nobody thought of this before? these devs are fucking genius

>>719169424
I hope you like grinding the same thing for months.

>>719169424
>you have 200 stamina a day, this stage takes 40 stamina
>this stage is timegated to 5 times a day
how is that any different from Stamina? at least with Stamina you can usually stockpile a week of it

>>719169139
>GaaS has to make money somehow.
There are plenty of ways they can still do this
I hope they'll make the battle pass/monthly/subscription offer such fantastic value that anyone invested into the game would be heavily enticed to make the purchase

>>719169492
I've played warframe.

>>719169492
Yes, I actually do. You can go back to your log-in sims now you gambling addict subhuman.

>>719169606
I don't play gacha.

i probably would've continued to play Genshit without the gacha and resource time gating
mostly because i love Raiden

>>719169563
'member when subscriptions were the standard instead of gacha?

>>719169278
Removing stamina doesn't mean that there won't be timegates.
Ideally I'd be able to fuck off for a month and not feel like I lost anything save for idk double drops, but realistically it can be chinese/korean mmo tier shit with awful droprates and multiple layers of RNG even on just upgrading stuff. Grinding for actual months will make you wanna kill yourself and swiping will look like a solid alternative.

>>719157876 (OP)
I like Warframe to have a competitor so those dumbass lazy Canucks finally sit their asses up and make actual contents. Hopefully this game will thrive because
>destiny
They shit in their own mouth
>the first decendant
gook coomslop that goes nowhere
>anthem
LMAO

>>719157876 (OP)
so then what's the catch? the game is shit?

>>719157876 (OP)
so are they selling it like a regular game or how are they gonna make money?

>>719169492
i play warframe

But what's the gameplay like?

>>719169731
Yeah I'd really like a proper competitor for them. Warframe as shitty as it can be is really the only thing properly satisfying that niche.

>gachapigs are starting to spam again
I wonder how long before they get tired of it.

How the fuck are they gonna make money then?

Aight what with this psyop
"Gacha is actually good removing gacha is bad"
Even Reddit mad at the dev for removing the gacha.
My theory big gacha company like Mihoyo is afraid that people will realize that game doesn't need gacha system.

whales on suicide watch
i don't mind paying China with my data for some sexo waifus doing chuuni shit

>>719169663
It's crazy to think that after all this time Runescape is still the only successful game that is both F2P and has a membership system

>>719169913
Jesus Christ do gachafag never play real game?

I hope they buff Lynn back. For those of you who don't know, Lynn is the Mesa expy. She was OP in the first technical test (before CBT1) and they've been nerfing her in each CBT. They better buff her back.

>>719169913
same as warframe. you can pay for characters if you don't want to grind

>>719169931
Terminal gambling addicts actually like the thrill and dopamine rush of getting the desired prize.
But you can't just brush off all skepticism as gambling addiction nad psyops. I was playing like 6 different MMOs simultaneously in highschool. Gacha sucks but it doesn't have to be gacha in order to suck.

>>719170090
Gachatards don't play games. They are literally just gambling addicts.

>>719170090
They don't have time for that, they gotta do their dailies.

>cosmetics (both skins and accessories)
>pay2skip
And there's most likely still going to be battle pass. It's more than enough to make money.

It doesn't matter if the game has gacha or not, if the grind is more or less; this game looks HOT garbage, a bunch of fucking random chinese designs with no coherent art direction. Why would I put any time into this?

This psyop is really weird because in China their highest grossing game "Honor of Kings"(mobile assfaggot) revenue come from cosmetic not gambling for character and weapon.

>>719170371
It's literally just a small group of hadcore gambling-addicts.

>>719157876 (OP)
>just remove gacha
okay, what's the catch?

>>719169483
They might have but selling a weapon skin for $10000 worked in genshin so they had no reason to change anything

>>719160793
Every gacha is grindy if you are F2P

>>719169492
I do. Its chill and fun. I can grind whatever I want and whenever without having to worry about missing events and log ins for pull currency. That's what make gachas so shit.

>>719169483
gambling loss profits are high. GBF and FGO were very profitable and people wanted some of that cash. Genshin unironically revolutionized the market and people view it as the winning formula. Money likes silence and doesn't like risks. It's just that simple and you cen see it in normal games too.

>>719169492
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I NEED TO PLAYY GAME AAAAAAA
Your post remind me about Nikke top rank Unions are paying SEA to boost their account for Union Raid.
These whale after spending thousand of dollars didn't even play the game.

>>719170294
>this game looks HOT garbage
It's a shameless copy of Warframe but anime, with a dodge counter and taking heavy inspiration from other gachas
The lack of a unique visual identity hurts, but the jank and everything else can be forgiven so I wouldn't go as far as calling it garbage

>>719170090
those kinds of gachafags are usually the poorest so they are f2p in like 10 different gachas so they can roll all the time.
dolphins like me see gacha as just an obstacle. no, winning a coinflip every other month doesnt provide anywhere near as much dopamine as playing with a new character. I welcome this change and the only ones mad are those pootfags who cant add this game to their ever growing f2p gacha gambling list

>>719169759
cosmetics and pay for convience. Characters are farmable ingame in bits but you can just pay for the characters. Similar to how you might grind a battle pass for character currency in other live service games

>>719157876 (OP)
>remove gacha

DOA. half the fun of these games is looking forward to and rolling on new characters

okay but whats the gameplay like?

>>719170876
Waframe.

>>719170854
What is wrong with you?

>>719169741
its a live service game now with all the shit and baggage that comes with live service

>>719170854
And that is the terminal case we're talking about.

Kek the establishment is really afraid that people going to wake up from gacha system.
They has been spawn camping in every thread to say Gacha is le good no gacha is DoA EoS.

>>719170854
They are obviously going to allow people to prefarm shards so you can just save up and spend your stash whenever a character comes out. Now you just wont get buttfucked by 50/50 nonsense

>>719170941
so the same kind of fomo as before just while being easier to progress in
atleast China is slowly making real games like Phantom Blade Zero

these pro gacha posts dont feel natural

>>719171023
Its almost always hoyoshitters too

How do we feel about the blatant ripoffs?

>>719170908
I dont play western shit, whats the chink gacha equivalent?

>>719171227
Ragnarok Online

if something is free you're paying in something else.

>>719171147
I'm not pro gacha but live service has a much higher failure rate than gacha for people who want longevity in a game. But I've also never heard or cared about this game so I dont really care if it does EOS after a year

>>719171162
Based. But they need to buff her because in the last CBT she was garbage. It takes special talent to take Mesa and turn her shit.

>>719171294
Anon, 90% of gacha games EOS within a year.

>>719171336
He's deliberately ignoring those in favor of only paying attention to the ones that have stuck around.

>>719171294
>live service has a much higher failure rate than gacha
Gacha games are live service games.

>>719171294
>if these slop didn't make 1 Billion every month it going to EoS
Gacha addict mindset

>>719171162
Dumb hat. Make it more cowboy-ish. Thanks

>>719171294
>gacha is not live service
Are you clinically retarded?

>>719171336
Gacha is also high risk-high reward, just like other live services
The difference is with gacha is that people tolerate way lower quality and way more predatory practices, kinda like F2P MMOs 10-15 years ago

>>719169492
You know what was good about Warframe? The fact that I could hop on the game and farm for as long as I like without timegates. That was before open worlds. I want that back.

>>719171291
2k hours of pure, undiluted fun hopefully

>>719157876 (OP)
>>just remove gacha :^)
You have my attention, mr. Shill
BUT
Will it have dailies and shit?
Because that is worse than gambling.

>>719172728
There are routines geared for casuals, probably only worth a few hours of grinding.

>>719172728
>dailies for guaranteed gains is worse than dailies for gambling chances
Kill yourself gachatard

>>719173241
Dailies are bad period.
Let me play how I want to.

>>719157876 (OP)
Not enough cool guns.

>More mobile garbage
Smart phones were a mistake.

>>719158017
it's still a f2p mobile game though.
what p2w microtransaction system did they add as an alternate revenue stream? because no chance they're planning to make money from cosmetics only

That's nice.
Unfortunately the game is still a shitty Warframe clone (which is already pretty shitty) so I shan't be playing.
Nothing personal, advertisers.

>>719173378
smart phones let me look at porn in bed while I crank my hog.
But then again holding my arm in the same position for about 2 hours every morning has given my chronic shoulder pain so maybe you're right...

>>719169931
>"Gacha is actually good removing gacha is bad"
if you're gonna make a game p2w anyway, gacha is one of the less bad p2w mobile game systems.
something like clash of clans is a million times more cancerous

of course you could simply play non p2w games instead.

>>719173559
I did that with a PSP in 2005 and a laptop before that.

>>719173342
all GaaSslop has dailies or similar dark pattern manipulative shit to keep you logging on and forming a habit.
pirate a real single player game.

>removes gacha
The game went from, never gonna play, to, I'll play it when I get the urge.
Removing the gacha was a good move, no there's no fomo and mandatory daily chores to keep me away. bravo, chang.

>>719173342
I don't like dailies either but the alternative would be to charge a flat fee for every update or character, basically going back to one time DLC purchase model. Unfortunately there are way too many f2p broke players who make up a lot of the community for these kinds of games

>>719173619
>I did that with a PSP
Ah yes, the pornstation portable. I retired mine when I got my first smartphone.

>>719173614
>gacha is one of the less bad p2w mobile game systems.
>character full kits are locked behind dupes

>>719173710
You have to do the daily chores if you want to build up your character shard stash so there's no escaping it. Better brush up on your macro script skills if you really don't like fomo

Warframe but anime is literally everything I've always wanted

So it returned to korean browsershit formula from early 10s? Kind of sad that this is seen as an improvement.

>>719173710
>mandatory daily chores to keep me away.
you still have to do dailies though? Its Chinese Warframe

>>719157876 (OP)
Well alright fine, I wanted to try a Warframe replacement anyway. Lemme add it to my wishli-
>EGS exclusive
Dead on arrival. I'd take a standalone launcher over this cancer.

>>719174124
>I'd take a standalone launcher over this cancer.
Bro...

>>719174184
I'll play it if it has a standalone launcher you can download from their website. I refuse to use EGS out of spite for Sweeney. Fuck him for bringing console exclusivity bollocks to PC and for screwing over Linux users.

>>719173906
>>719174010
I specified mandatory for a reason. In a gacha, if I don't do the content when the dev wants me to do it, I miss out on gems, and thus, the banner character. Having all the characters be permanently unlockable means I can grind whenever I want. It doesn't matter how many dailies or weeklies I miss. I'll get what I want eventually on my time.

>>719173880
i will say, gacha when done well.
most respected games don't pull retarded shit like that because the players would revolt and jump ship. except hoyodrones

>>719174364
The character shards can only be obtained from dailies and weeklies. You can't just sit down for a weekend and farm the entire roster there's obviously a timegate. What is so hard to understand?

>always online
don't care, game is going to die and no one is going to be able to play it anyway

>>719157876 (OP)
I have chink slop fatigue

>>719169931
gacha is so successful because it plays on gambling retards and other psychological tricks

>>719174492
*grabs you by the dick and starts jerking you off*
You seem to still be misunderstanding me so let me clarify further.
I can choose when I do those those dailies and weeklies, none of the characters are going anywhere. If I chose to skip a week in a character's banner in a gacha, that's precious gems I'm missing out on, but here? All it means is I'll get what I want a week late. Do you understand?

>gachatard still seething
It's impressive how mind-broken these 'people' are.

>>719174937
gachaniggers quite literally don't understand
if they don't have 8 different games to treat like a job it reminds them they are living in southeast asia

>>719157876 (OP)
great you've pulled in all the anti-gacha smooth brains in here

>>719174937
>>719175048
enjoy ur bricked accounts antigacha poorfags

>>719157876 (OP)
They also got rid of the stamina system. I think they just looked at the longevity of Warfame and how it's lasted longer than almost any gacha game.

>>719174937
You are so retarded it's insane. Instead of missing out on precious gems you are missing out on precious shards instead. If you skip a few months and come back because you really like a new character then not only will you have to wait to get a copy you could've also gotten 6 copies of that character and immediately upgraded everything with your shard stash if you weren't so lazy.

>>719175349
Tencent also own Warframe btw, probably that's how this game manage to get away from copyright.

>>719157876 (OP)
Post the girl with the biggest boobs
I only bother with gachashit if there are at least several girls with titties bigger than their head

Seen some disingenuous and exaggerated claims in these threads. Yesterday someone was saying it could take you months to get a frame which is false. WF has player trading and TFD a pity system. You average time to unlock a new char is 1-3 days. If DNA has a ''prime'' versions it can take 5 days because of the crafting time. Meanwhile in gacha not only you have to grind for summon currency, you need to wait months for banner reruns. In WF and TDF all characters are always available. Its mind boggling how some people think gacha is a better system.

The catch? is a grinding game. The mods/gear have rare drops. Getting the characters is easy, making them strong will take a lot of time but thats the fun part.

>>719174492
>The character shards can only be obtained from dailies and weeklies
why lie

>>719175849
Lie about what? Are you this retarded that you don't even know the game you're trying to defend?

>>719157876 (OP)
release when?

>>719175806
>save for a month
>lose the coin flip
>finally get the character
>character need signature weapon
>lose the coin flip again
>finally get the weapon
>turnout character need dupes to be playable
somehow gachafag think this is the best system

>>719175638
Other big breasted character include:
>Rebecca (jellyfish woman)
>Lady Niffle (edgy mother nature)
>Hellfire (red skinned demon)

>>719175586
*starts nibbling on your ear while I pump your dick harder*
The character I want will always be there to work toward.
>but what if it's a new character?
then I'll just be starting from square one as soon as it drops just like everyone else.
>well what if you fall behind?
why should I care? i'm playing on my own time, which is what matters most to me.
I really don't understand how you're not getting what I'm saying. Maybe you'll finally get it after I make you cum and clear your head.

>>719174492
>character shards can only be obtained from dailies and weeklies
They haven't said that, you just made it up.
All they've said is that you can grind character and weapons as much as you want, this implies no daily or weekly cap.

Mihomo doesn't even make gachas. The odds are so fucking dogshit it might as well be a flat rate.

>>719176189
No one understands what the fuck you're saying because you're mentally impaired.

>>719158017
Good. Sounds closer to warframe. I just hope like warframe it will have linux support

>>719175978
That's the name of the quest/mission type according to an anon who was in the beta.

>>719176235
See >>719175978 then kys for being so retarded
I shouldn't even have to post the devs own words. This is basic business sense.
>>719176342
It quite literally says "How to Get Characters"
You braindead monkey LMAO

>>719175978
The lead dev did say right after showing this that you can freely grind both characters and weapons
I think that means you'll have daily/weekly boosts that massively hasten the grind, then you can still grind if you want but you'll get a fraction of the rewards

>>719175978
>Getting the characters is easy, making them strong will take a lot of time but thats the fun part.
You either didn't watch the full presentation or you're intentionally being a disingenuous shitstain.

The daily/weekly commissions exist to help speed up the grind. They ensure that even if you're a casual player you can get the characters you want. They are not the only way to get characters. You can grind as much as you want. You are not gated.

>>719157876 (OP)
So this game isn't a gacha? What's the monetization scheme then? A "traditional" pay2win or what? I don't dare assume that this is simply a buy2play normal game.

>>719176176
I didn't give her much of a chance in CBT1 but Hilda was my favourite in CBT2. She made me feel the most like I was actually playing Warframe.

I like that its not gacha but it still re-uses that shitty red and black post apoc aesthetic that most chinese gacha have

>>719176719
they're going to make their money off selling skins.

>>719158017
Sounds worse
By far the worst thing about genshit is the daily grinding
Pretty much every gacha has free pulls so you don't have to worry about it

>>719176719
Same as gacha, you do dailies and weeklies for shards of characters and then 5 months later you get 1 character (3 characters released in that time). OR just pay money and get her now haha
You can't actually farm for character shards all day, it's timegated

>>719176719
It's a free to play game that does not have gacha. Their monetization is going to come from skins and people with more money than time who won't want to grind for stuff.
>so is it pay to win
Unless you count character unlocks as pay to win, no. They're following the business model used in Warframe.

>>719176706
Are you telling me to believe that they're going to let f2p neets grind out all 7 copies of a gacha character and get them to max anytime they want while whales have to pay? I don't believe you that makes no sense

>>719176706
>>719176427
So why did they release a graphic that says the opposite?

>>719157876 (OP)
character designs are shit, so this is gonna flop

>>719176146
>finally get all the dupes
>character was powercrept long ago
gacha slop, not even once.

>>719176994
>fallacy
Concession accepted.

>>719176960
>that makes no sense
That's how it is in just about every freemium game, retard-kun. f2poors have to grind while whales can buy a fastpass.

>>719177038
Stop thinking about phalluses and answer the question

>>719176783
the same ui too

>>719158017
that's respectable, League works like that

>>719177014
Some are extremely sexy.

>check it out
>PC ver is ebin store exclusive
>no stand alone launcher
DOA

>>719177218
Hell yeah. I would that pig.

>>719176960
You clearly don't have any idea of indefinite grinding if you think it's going to be a cakewalk.

>>719177274
>no stand alone launcher
Why do you talk out of your ass? It does have its own launcher.
t. played both CBTs

>>719177218
for me it's the piggu :)

>>719157876 (OP)
You have no idea how long I wanted a new grindan I could sink my teeth into. Anime Warframe is everything I ever wanted.

>>719157876 (OP)
It'll be funny when it gets 1 new character every 8 or 9 months after 2.0(if it even lasts that long)

>>719176994
They're being intentionally confusing so people assume the best case scenario without having to fear backlash about lying since they never specified any details
When the game releases and we see that maxing out a character takes either months of dailies or hundreds of hours of grind the blame will fall on players for making assumptions, not the devs since they technically told the truth

>>719177330
can i see the stand alone launcher?

>>719157876 (OP)
>PC release
>free
I'm dead sure they're gonna rugpull sooner or later, but this is about as close to playable as gachaslop will ever get. Might as well try it when it launches just to see what it's like.

>SAAR IT NO GACHA? SAAR HOW MAKE MONEYS? SAAR?
it's like these shitskins/chinks have never played anything other than gachashit
>>719177218
yeah, that's the problem
only some
they need to quickly rework all the other sloppy looking characters if they want to sell skins
like, take a look at what makes fortnite so profitable and just copy it

>>719177505
literally fucking asking for it

>>719177505
will the pig watch?

>>719177504
You're lucky I didn't uninstall it.

>switching the monetization model this late in development
There's no way this ends well
You're going to get the worst aspects of a gacha (horrendous currency grinds) with none of the positives (being able to save rolls to spark new units day one)

>>719177670
bro when is the next beta test

>>719177690
>the positives
There are none.
>but
no

>>719177725
The game launches on October 28. No more betas.

>>719177690
>being able to save rolls to spark new units day one
>nooooo I have to play the game
>save me dollar bill sama!!!

>>719161246
Yeah it would be a good game instead

>>719177690
They're going to let you save up shards to spend on new characters this is pretty obvious

>>719157876 (OP)
>see people talking about warframe
>oh maybe it's cool like destiny 2
>check it out
>hack and slash genshit clone
???
fucking liars

since its not gacha the gachabot will not spam the threads right?

I was mostly neutral towards gachaniggers until now but they really outed themselves now as the subhumans everyone always called them.

>>719177838
what about the test server they announced on the livestream

>>719177945
Shards aren't universal. Each character has their own unique shard.

>>719177838
Test server is incoming sometime soon, however

>>719177998
>cool like destiny 2

>>719176960
>to max anytime they want
its going to be like 100 hours per character

>Genshin bad and I don't want to spend a second playing it
>what's that, a Genshin clone? I WILL spend 20 hours grinding for 1 character, thank you Xi
Why are they like this

>>719178029
>>719178063
Oh yeah they did say that was gonna happen but they said it's gonna be a small test with a few people. They are probably gonna get some of the discordfags who participated in previous tests. Sadly, I don't use discord.

>>719178059
I'm going to die

>>719178142
>a week's worth of grind
Sounds good.

>>719178013
you know it's gonna spam anyway since it'll still not be a "real" game to him because it's not developed by ninshitdo and doesn't run on ninshitdo shitch

>>719177945
Your guys fantasies about how generous the devs are are hillarious

>>719178142
please no at least make those 100 hours fun

>>719178024
Anti-gachafags are really ousting themselves as non-gamers with this one. They don't understand how stingy this is going to be, they think gacha is somehow the only limitation on how many characters you have. Remove it and you get them all for free in a day lmao

>>719178512
>stingy
you mean like how the more popular gachas are stingy with pulls?

>>719168478
Eyebrows.

I've been following this game very closely well before the first beta test was even announced and I have made most of the threads about this game on /v/.
Gachatards had absolutely NO interest in this game until now. Other than a handful of threads, most of them died very quickly.
Most people interested in the game all expressed the same desire of wanting it to not be gacha and there were no people at all expressing opposing views.
Suddenly, all the cockroaches are crawling out just because they perceive this game as a threat to their mental illness.

>>719178657
Yeah, that's my point. It won't be any different. Not like they can make more content than other gachas so they'll have to string you along same as everyone else.

>>719178512
>Anti-gachafags are really ousting themselves as non-gamers with this one
meanwhile gachaniggers:
>NOOOOOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO PLAY THE GAME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I JUST WANNT TO GAMBLE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH DON'T MAKE ME PLAY THE GAME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

This is just a normal anime game now and that's fine

>>719178059
It'd make sense for them to work this way, as in it'd timegate F2P players from getting a new character day 1
It's not clear if the "Sealed commission letters" you can grind are random, or if you can target a specific character to work towards

>>719178785
you should probably take your meds
I made those threads

I am demanding someone post gameplay because I am interested in playing

>>719178920
>It's not clear if the "Sealed commission letters" you can grind are random, or if you can target a specific character to work towards
They specifically said it's all targeted.

>>719178962
It's Warframe with dumbed down controls.

>>719178889
Yeah like I said, ousting yourself as a non-gamer. You gamble about 0.1% of your time in AAA gachas but being a non-gamer you wouldn't know it

>NOOO WITHOUT GACHA THEY'RE GONNA MAKE YOU PLAY THE GAME DONT YOU SEE HOW GACHA IS A GOOD THING???
why are browns like this

>>719178889
>>719179072
oh he mad

>can either grind for characters but also you can still swipe with your mother's credit card
whats the problem here? Warframe still has whales and f2poors right?

I wonder how much longer will the SEAmonkeys seethe about the removal of gacha.

>>719158017
>farming for gacha units instead of rolling for them
I know /v/ has a hard on for the idea of gacha games without gacha but that just has me being pessimistic about other downsides unless it's a REAL game
Live service f2p slop need to pay the bills and it's probably gonna be some retardedly grindy shit like GBF

>>719162807
not him but if you read further, his sentiments would contradict that last part.
he's right btw, removing the gacha is only a start

I never played a gacha, I had a symbian phone til 2020 or some shit, I'm not a zoomer but I those phones did the job, sms and calls were all I needed
Now I kinda want to play one, but all of the big ones are already old as shit. I want to ride the next big wave

>>719179129
meds

>>719179218
NOOOOOOOOOOO BUT I NEED MY GAMBLING I NEED MY QUICK FIX OF ADRENALINE RUSH!!!!! ALSO F2P SHOULDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAX CHARACTERS OUT!!! I NEED TO FEEL SPECIAL BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING ELSE GOING ON IN MY LIFE!

>>719179329
still time to play the horse game, its only been like a month

>>719179329
most have pc clients these days
and if they don't they're not worth even looking at

>>719179337
I stand corrected.
oh THEY mad

I'm sure it'll be passable until they inevitably add in Chinaplanet or China-region, full of long dragons, pointy architecture and three kingdoms references.
Pass.

>>719179461
I love dragons, pointy architectures and 3 kingdom references though

>>719179374
Horse game is like 5 years old dumbass. ZZZ and Wuwa are about new enough to still get into

>>719179509
until every other character is named ching chong ping pong ling lang ting tang

>>719179535
its 1 month old on global and thats what matters

is this out in China yet or is this one big global release like Mihomo does?

>you can get any character with currency
>every mission will give you like 20 charcoins
>cheapest character is 10000 charcoins and the most expensive 50000
tell me whats stopping them from doing this

Total. Gachamonkey. Annihilation.

>>719179609
Why would it matter, you still have a giant backlog of characters and stories and you'll never ever catch up

>>719179652
>tell me whats stopping them from doing this
chink coalition showing up at their office and demanding to sitdown with the CEO

See GF2 right now

>>719157876 (OP)
>chink gacha designs
>males too
*yawn*

>>719179362
What's wrong with gambling then? Why are you guys so upset about gambling?

>>719179763
>See GF2 right now
qrd?

>>719157876 (OP)
Azur Lane already beat them to it 8 years ago
>>719177218
>regular dress
>extremely sexy
stop posting mohammad

>>719174313
It does have a standalone launcher bwo. I agree with you in principle though.

>>719177505
>ctrl+f for "webm" to see if anyone has posted gameplay
>oh someone posted genshin i wonder what the context to this discussion wa-
>it's not genshin
>its the game from OP
from the OP splash I thought it was going to be more gothic/dark

>gambling system gets removed
>gachaniggers coming out of the woodwork to screech about it
i always knew there was something behind that sentiment of "uhhhh le heckin westoids are OBSESSED with dae ebin gacha because they le heckin don't play >games with gacha systemz, owned and mad :^))))"

>>719179796
>new character release
>possibility exists for you to spend over one hundred FUCKING US dollars and not even get the character
That is absolutely insane and inexcusable. The fact that the people tolerate it at all is amazing, and the fact that the people that implemented havent been drawn and quartered is also quite puzzling. The absolute lack of value per dollar spent is astonishing. Nevermind the ethical problems with getting people hooked on a gambling addiction (clearly it's very real and present, look how people act when they realize the new chinkslop won't have it).

>>719176807
If this were the case I'd be totally fine with it and might have even decided to spend on a skin here and there, but what these anons here say:
>>719176854
>>719176872
contradicts it. If it's "pay for currency" to get characters or farm shit that's time-gated I think it's pretty trash. Better than an actual gacha I guess but still not reasonable game design.

>>719180192
>gambling system gets removed
>replaced with the same system as fucking Diablo Immortal

>>719179937
what are you talking about bro. That big is naked.

>>719180230
Its likely going to be exactly like Warframe. You can pay for skins or "pay to skip grind". Except ironically when you pay to skip the grind you are, in fact paying to skip the game.

>>719157876 (OP)
the cosmetics stuff needs to be good otherwise I dont see earning too much money

>>719180192
>jew shit gets removed
>but is replaced with grind
time is money bro, it's still jew shit

>>719178142
that's not a lot. I think it's an acceptable amount of time.

>>719178142
>zoomers have never played the classic MMOs
100 is rooking numbers

>>719180372
>>719180476
you're missing the bigger picture here. there are people that are MAD about the gacha system being removed, all of whom are completely detached from reality btw

>>719179763
>See GF2 right now
elabor8

>>719177014
This is the bigger problem, you can make your characters non-gacha and accessible, but if they're still designed like shit I'm not gonna care. If you switch off the gacha model, ideally all the characters should be redesigned along with it, since they aren't constrained by needing to appeal to reach banner quotas anymore.

>>719180404
>Except ironically when you pay to skip the grind you are, in fact paying to skip the game.
This is just cope, you could very well be skipping tedious grind with a character you have but don't like in order to get one you actually want to play the game with.

The problem isn't entirely with the grind though, I still think designing your "grind" around encouraging people to skip it with money leads to trash games, but the main issue is what anons were saying about the grind being time gated. That means that if you don't do your daily or weekly grind like a good boy you will fall behind permanently with no recourse but to pay up to buy resources and you bet your fucking ass the devs will look very carefully at how much resources they're releasing via free grind and adjust the amounts required to keep up with new characters in accordance (like if you take a break from the hamster wheel, you will not afford new stuff as it comes out if you're F2P).

Still better than gacha with actual gambling for characters, I won't deny that, but time-gated grind is still a hot garbage system.

>>719179796
Funniest part is that you don't even understand that just asking this immediately outs you as an addict. It's like a a drug addict asking why drugs are bad and people could humor you and give you logical arguments but you would disregard them all because you are an addict who needs his existence validated constantly.
In fact, you are very much like trannies in that regard and that's why you are attacking this game now.
You are a gambling addict and you desperately want gambling to be viewed as a normal part of video games and you've been receiving more and more validation by way of more and more big budget video games doing gacha but the fact the devs of this game turned around and said no, and even gave logical arguments as to why gacha is bad, you started perceiving this game as a threat because it doesn't validate your addiction which is an attack on your existence in your broken mind.
You are exactly like trannies and you behave the same way as them.
You are a legitimate subhuman piece of garbage and when I say "subhuman," I do mean it. You don't qualify as a human being and you don't deserve human rights.

>>719180783
What am I looking at?

>>719179796
What's wrong with meth then? Why are you guys so upset about meth?

>>719180783
Is this some feminazi screeching about sexy designs while posting some of the most safe horny reddit shit imaginable?

how to fix the game
add aim button

that's it

>>719181456
Just keep telling them after the launch of the game.

>>719157876 (OP)
will this be on Steam? I cant find the page

>>719160793
Anon, it's a Warframe clone. The grind is the point of the game.

>>719181629
No, it's an epic exclusive... BUT it has it's own launcher at least.

>>719181456
Definitely the most glaring issue
I'd love a weapon with a slow fire rate, but that'd feel terrible to use if they keep aiming=autofire
Mobile players know they're at a disadvantage compared to PC players and this game is Coop anyway, so why fuck up the gameplay just to have parity between both versions?

>>719157876 (OP)
pc?

>>719157876 (OP)
Do they have a Rhino equivalent character?
Or just any other tanks in general?

>>719180783
Im so fucking tired of chink designs, what happened to shit like azur lane?

>>719181805
>I'd love a weapon with a slow fire rate, but that'd feel terrible to use if they keep aiming=autofire
It's not how it works. Once you swap over to your ranged weapon by pressing RMB, you stay with the ranged weapon until you start meleeing with LMB. It still sucks because you can't aim glide but it's not AS bad as you paint it.

>>719181086
New ZZZ characters, right two both reuse part of the lefts outfit despite being from another faction. On top of that.
>One is just a salvaged scrapped character that had tentacles put on her ass to make her an octopus girl. Tentacles don't do anything in her animations and flop around, clipping into her weapon since the old scrapped character's animations are being used.
>Other one is Ganyu copy pasted into ZZZ, same hair and horns. Has an interesting gimmick where she summons monsters to fight but that's about it. (Her name is Lucia if you wanna take a full look.)
tldr: Gacha designs become lazy and safe since there's a constant pressure for character banners to profit, so risk taking is avoided. If you're not gonna be a gacha anymore your characters should reflect that.

>>719182145
I still don't understand. Are you complaining about sexy women? Because regardless of the monetization scheme, sexy women are still what people want to see so if that's your problem then you either gotta deal with it or fuck off.

>>719182145
I would play ZZZ if the combat wasnt Genshin but more cancerous.

>>719161093
It's not an actual video game though it's a Warframe like. So you basically just mash on hp sponge target dummies.

Genshin is a real game

>>719182335
>Are you complaining about sexy women?
Are you even reading? I'm complaining about the sheer fucking laziness on display with gacha designs. A shit design doesn't get redeemed because it has some ass and tits I can jerk off to. (I can already do that with good designs.)

>>719180192
>gambling system gets removed
this is a good thing

>>719182546
The combat isn't like genshin it's like old simple beat em ups

The fuck is this nonsensical name anyway. It's like they ask their favourite ai chatbox to generate le cool grim dark edgy words and pick 3 random ones.

>>719182775
>it's like old simple beat em ups
You have never even seen let alone played an old beat 'em up.

>>719182783
the gimmick of Duet Night Abyss is that theres actually two different protagonists with different stories. Its not just a gender select

>>719182775
No it isnt. You have never played them. Those old beat em ups didnt have character swapping to spam skills.

>>719182783
Asian developers have been doing this for decades. You get used to it.

>>719182783
>Fate/Stay Night
Asians love combining random English words that have a nice ring to them.

This thread is full of AI bots and chatgpt faggots.

>>719182818
I'm far more experienced than you kiddo. Zzz is literally just a button mash game. The combat in genshin is party and rpg, not control input, based.

It's easy to call people young when you don't know how to support your own points right? I'm sure you have played some emulated beat em up games 20 years too late

You were never there and can never go back and be there

>>719182930
You are literally some zoomer who was born in the late 00s.

>>719182865
The character swapping makes zero difference in the gameplay you just mash buttons. Refer to my other post. You can't say a single word to me because I can prove blue eyes at any time. Your eyes are black. Don't talk to me dalit

>>719182930
> The combat in genshin is party and rpg
So, ZZZ.

Did the combat improve any? I remember watching during the beta and it seemed like it was ass to play

>>719183039
No, it doesn't have any guarding type mechanic that zzz does. Or timely switching or whatever it has

>>719183007
>The character swapping makes zero difference in the gameplay you just mash buttons.
Prove it

>>719183007
post eyes

>>719178105
infinitely better than warframe and gacha slop

>>719182335
ZZZ players are one of the last groups to complain about sexy women. They're just upset over the abandonment of the game's year 1 aesthetic and the recent homogenization in fashion.

>>719183112
>>719183217
And just like that, rakeesh disappeared. kek.

>>719177014
post good character designs

>>719183413
>ZZZ players are one of the last groups to complain about sexy women
They accepted this censorship so they aren't any better than trannies and feminazies.

>>719183403
then why does it have less players than WF and gacha slop

>>719183619
Okay you have good taste. I apologize and kneel.

>>719182638
>Genshin is a real game
RUMAO
RAUGHS

>>719183578
>soldier 11
why?

>>719178785
lmao

>>719183686
Sorry Genshin killed your favorite shitty live service "game" maybe you could learn from us next time k?

>>719178785
ill make threads if i like the game

I looked up the CBT2 gameplay and looked okay, little bit janky and floaty. Sometimes the weapons would be a foot from the model but thats beta for you.

Honestly a bit excited that its going to be a real game and not gachashit

>>719183991
I don't play gacha live services, keep on sucking Mihoyo for these sweet +5 primogem sis

>>719183217
cope harder, you’re not getting eyes OR a gameplay rebuttal. man came in swinging like he had something, got asked to post proof and dipped like it was a gacha banner with no pity guarantee. classic.

Why are the people shilling this game so gullible/full of shit?
we got this graphic from the developers' stream >>719175978
You think they were just incompetent when making it and forgot to add farmable content as a 3rd source of character shards?

To me, they are saying that you can freely grind the dungeons the quests is sending you to (because they don't cost stamina anymore!)
Characters ARE free to some extent, but never did they specify that there was no daily cap to the amount of free characters you can get.

This to me, sound suspiciously like ALL the other anime gacha games as f2p, where you login and do your daily chores to be doled out your allotted f2p-bucks. Be those gacha rolls, or character shard - it's the same fucking thing.

>Oh-oh but the dungeons will also drop character shards
They never said this. You are literally making stuff up.

They used so fucking careful language during the stream, just to avoid explicitly saying what you guys are hyping up. I'd be hugely surprised it was just a honest coincidence. Rather than deliberate obfuscation.

Well see on the test server. Right?
But what you shills are doing, it's just retarded/dishonest at this point. YOU DON'T KNOW.

retards dont understand the gambling is the fun part

kek can't post proof of his epic smash button only gameplay. Typical brownoid.

>only on epic store
yeah, no thanks

>>719184180
I wish all gachaniggers an endless session of russian roulette

>>719157876 (OP)
>>719158017
So it's gachaslop like xenoblade 2. Not playing it.

>>719184232
aaaaaaahkshullyy

>>719184264
>like xenoblade 2.
picked up

>>719169492
I played Warframe, we had grinding elevated to a form of art.

>>719169492
>nooo you have to play the video game instead of logging in for 5 minutes, pulling the slot and logging off
do gacha niggers even like video games? if you removed all the ''gameplay'' and only left the banners, would they still ''play'' them?

>>719169492
Grinding the same mission over and over again isn't even playing the game anymore, its just a chore

>>719176176
>filthoids
I know what word I'm using form now on to refer to anime convention attendees.

>characters are ''overdesigned''
what does this mean

>>719182065
>It still sucks because you can't aim glide
I've seen gameplay of a player doing aim glide but they fired as they did so
You can't just aim without shooting

>>719184571
you just described mmos

>>719177218
That's a child you pedo fuck

>>719184747
It's drawing of a child. I assume you'd have no issues if she was drown being dismembered an eaten alive, right?

>>719184703
That's what I'm saying, yes. You can glide in the air by shooting but you can't "aim glide" since there is no dedicated aim button. The best you can do is fire a single bullet then reload, rinse and repeat.

>>719179220
Where do they find d the time to shitpost? Don't they have dailies they need to do?

>>719184747
Sir thats a pig. You just outed yourself. Freak.

>>719184180
It genuinely is.

A lot of the discussion in these kind of games are driven by resources being limited (unless you whale), and players having to make choices about what to get.
There's some strategy to that. At least, I find this part interesting.


I don't understand what people envision the community experience during launch to be.
>So uhhh, I left on my autism/macro overnight and now it grinded out the OP character? Wowie.
That's not very exciting. Seems so dry. "just farm it all" , get to grind

However, I don't believe any this will be the case in reality.
I think you guys are confused about how the character shard system will not be time gated, I do not believe everything will be infinitely farmable.

I always liked Hydroid and here he's a cute tentacle loli. 10/10 will play.

>>719160793
How dare they make a video game that have actual gameplay

>>719184662
It means that there are too many unnecessary elements to it. Pic related is a great example of an overdesigned character.
Granted, this term is often misused and is generally thrown around too much.

>>719184263
First anime live-service game?
Or am I detecting... hypocrisy

>>719184982
You got the system down bro. The casino won't know what hits em!

>>719185015
She looks more loli in-game but she looks way worse if you ask me. It's not that I don't like lolis, I love them, but she looks much sexier in the illustration.

>>719185015
>Tabethe was relegated to 4 stars subpar trash
>No gacha means she'll now receive the same treatment as 5 stars did
Feels good

>>719185112
I quit the other live service games I tried because gacha design drove me away.

>>719184939
You already know.
A lot of these gacha games play themselves, and those that don't are often attacked for it.

>>719185023
I mean, I love games like Path of Exile and the other action-RPGS
where you just grind forever. We'll just have to see if it works with these types of games

It works in MMOs too, right? This game is kinda in the middle of mmo and genshin-type games. The way I see it.
So it's not like it's a huge stretch

>>719185049
What's up with Asians putting males in high-heels all the time?
Do they realize high-heels were designed for women to curve their backs as they stand because curved backs are attractive to men?

>>719185149
>Loses all her curves, some thighs and her chest
They messed up

>>719185182
I hope they rebalanced her upwards because I want to make the ultimate afk farming team with her and Rebecca.

>>719185456
Yeah, I've been telling them during both CBTs but they never fixed her. I did make sure to tell them to make more lolis too tho. I didn't want them to misunderstand it as some anti-loli sentiment.

>>719185126
Yes. I am not spending (a lot) of money on these games. I am having fun. I beat the system.

Why are you even replying, if you so clearly don't care to talk about anything I brought up

>>719185512
Anon, you can't just add a red circle and not elaborate further

>>719185593
Her head shape is an egg. Massive forehead.

So grind gonna be like PoE, except without season resets?

>>719185194
What drove you away?
Did you get tricked into spending money, resource scarcity, fomo pressure? Bit of all?

>>719185804
It's Warframe and that's already just Diablo/PoE with guns. So yes

>>719183413
ZZZ is filled with women and trannies like any other hoyo game.

>>719185665
Large forehead can be cute, but yeah she should never get a different hair cut

>game has lolis with guns
GOTY?

>>719183413
>homogenization in fashion.
What?

>>719185901
The fact that I cant take a break. These games are designed around content drops. You finish, leave until the next update. Cant do that with gacha because the new content ARE the characters and you need summon currency. You have to keep logging in even if you dont want to or else you cant play the next update. In traditional MMOs and Warframe I can leave for a month, come back and all the content is still there.

>>719182974
>no argument
Concession accepted.

>>719184662
Look at any vtuber

I made this >>719185049 post and >>719186281 is exactly what I meant when I said
>Granted, this term is often misused and is generally thrown around too much.

It's because of retards like this that words have no meaning anymore.

>>719184662
It's a buzzword, it has no actual meaning.

It looks fucking terrible. I'd rather have gacha than grinding the same levels for hours.

>>719185149
Yeah she looks really bad in-game, devs did say they've updated the models though so hope they'll fix her before release.

>>719158017
Limbus Company you can unlock any character with shards that comes from weekly dungeon or extra mission/events.

>>719186574
>I rather gamble than play video games
Kill yourself.

>>719184131
I don't provide proof. Saying I can post eyes means I can, not that I do things at the behest of browns

People like you love to talk on the internet.

>>719180651
>>719180783
>>719180192
Hoyo introduced this whole "roll for weapons/engines/icons + extra copies of the same characters" for them to be "good" and its worse in HSR because otherwise with the pity system you can unlock almost any character without problem.

>>719157876 (OP)
>Gacha game that removed the gacha
You know what I'll install it at least.
I hate gacha and a game that rejects it's gacha is worth an install.

>>719184662
Overdesign means, most of the time at least, that the character have too many "unnecesary" details on their bodies and their clothes.

>>719186217
This game gonna 100% be a bit kinder in that regard, with all character going into permanent shop instead of uncertain timed limited banners
I'dd still be willing to bet big money on there being daily systems in place that wants you to log in and do the thing. Even Warframe does that.

>>719186281
>simple dress
>tiara and halo
>butt wings
>standard japanese-themed accessories
>some goofy background
That's just a bit more detailed than Megumin.

>grinding the same levels for hours
Still no proof of this being a way to obtain characters.

>>719186608
They showcased the updated models during the stream and she wasn't among them.

>>719187279
Is there a before/after compilation image? would like to see how good their modeling department is

>>719160793
>more grindy than playing every day for 3 year
hmm

>gacha devs have a change of heart and decide to turn their game into a real game
>this is now grounds for drama
Jesus fucking Christ, I fucking hate this clown timeline.

>>719187079
The lead dev literally explained it
>First you farms for a character's secret letters in a dungeon
>Then you use those letters on covert commissions that drop exclusively that specific character's shards

>>719186608
Wuwa had crazy good model updates between beta and live

>>719187370
No but you can just skim through the video. It's near the end, it's very easy to find. The updates barely amounted to anything and nothing I kept complaining about was addressed, like Tabethe or Rebecca (pic related)

>>719187385
please understand, people have a gambling addiction and are adverse to hard work

>>719187465
>First you farms for a character's secret letters in a dungeon
By doing the daily commission in said dungeon

AI can grind for you while you fap.

>>719186756
Yeah, the pity system was almost too generous in HSR so of course they had to pile on extra monetization elsewhere. Gotta love needing SIX damn copies of a light cone just to be "optimized." And don't get me started on signature relic sets being attached to weekly RNG dungeons that drop like broken vending machines. They knew people would roll anyway, so they just made min-maxing pure hell.

I don't play gacha but I'm skeptical. How much of a grind is it to get characters, and are you timegated on shit? Cause I hate having to log in to do autobattle dailies just so you can get 1 character every few months.

>>719157876 (OP)
Gayshit.. GAYSHIT. The rest of the insult is built-in. Google impacted shit.

>>719187906
we really dont know the exact numbers because they decided on this at the very last minute. Ironically the gacha system was actually really generous too in the CBT so fingers crossed

as long as it's not buggy out the ass, menu's aren't shit, and the translation is fully completed + makes sense on launch then anime warframe seems like a free win

>>719158017
That's how older gacha games (2D sidescrolling hero autobattler type ones) tended to do it. There would be some freemium-currency-locked units, but the majority of units could be Sharded through daily grind.
Good to see a return to form.

>>719187656
They have 0 reason to make things confusing by naming missions you can grind endlessly "daily" and "weekly"
Some stuff will be capped and timegated, it's either that or copying the F2P MMOs and make the grind take forever

>>719188103
I doubt they'll actually let you infinitely grind things, would be too explicitly easy to bot. Just daily and weekly runs with the monthly pass giving you 5x more entrees. Like that Korean MMO you hate

>>719188103
It means that "daily" commissions rotate on a daily basis and "weakly" commissions rotate on a weekly basis.
"Commissions" in this game is what the stages are called. Like in Warframe you have defense, escort, annihilation etc. but unlike in Warframe, you had no incentive to do commissions types you didn't want to do so there was no variety which people complained about so what they are doing is that instead of letting you choose what commission to do for the character shard, it will be decided with a rotation system so there is variety and people aren't just grinding the same commission over and over again.

I play most big gacha games, and still hope this one will do well. Retards seething at this are hilarious. Not everything must be the exactly same model.

>>719169492
>whaaaaaaaaat do you mean YOU LIKE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES?
>WHAAAAAAAAAAT? PLAYING VIDEO GAMES? NOT JUST LOGGING IN AND SPENDING MONEY WHEN YOUR DAILY ALLOWANCE LOG-IN SHEKELS DON'T GET YOU WHAT YOU WANT?????
>NNNNOOOOOOOOOO YOU MUST LOG IN, NOT PLAYYYYYYYY

>>719188382
Yeah, this is fine.
I won't play it cause I don't like Warframe, but I'm glad they're doing ANYTHING that isn't a direct copy of Genshin.
Hopefully Endfield is delaying their release another half year so they can do the same after all of those combat reworks to shove in a dodge mechanic that stands at complete odds with everything else in the game.

>>719188242
>monthly pass giving you 5x more entrees. Like that Korean MMO you hate
That wouldn't be a bad outcome, though 5X is too big of a difference
Make it something between 1.2X (with other bonus perks) and 2X for $9.99 and you've got a deal

>>719188364
Makes sense
Hellish grind it is then

>>719187502
>actual model doesn't have the sexy blue lips the art has
trash

What the gachamonkeys are afraid of is that if this game is a success it will incentivize other would-be gacha "games" to change model in the future as well.

>>719187502
That 3D is a huge downgrade, holy shit.

>>719188749
What's wrong with changing to a better model?
Only the whales would dislike that.

>>719187502
>>719188810
>Right is a pure beauty
>Left looks like a cosplay
Maybe their strategy will be to have lacking base models so that skins are that much more enticing

>>719188882
Addiction. They are bona fide gambling-addicts.

>>719188920
They did already shill a bikini skin on the launch announcement trailer. Granted, swimsuits are boring but even proper bikinis are rare to come these days so it's a promising start.

>>719189050
For reference, this is the base design of the character.

>>719157876 (OP)
>The Hyperborea Empire is a country that occupies the northern part of the continent, was founded through war, and is located in a snow-covered area.
I will now play your aryan-coded game.

>>719157876 (OP)
This is actually bad depending on what you care about. in character gachas, the characters are the products, and so developers are incentivized to spend tons of effort designing and marketing them. if you pull a 5-star, you can be sure that a lot of care & detail went into them.
in games that don't monetize via character gacha, there's much less incentives to treat characters that way. so chances are, DNA will release characters whose designs are half baked, and if you want to max their aesthetics, you'll have spend on their skins.
virtually every game that monetizes with cosmetics falls into this category. if you just care about the gameplay and being functional, it's all free. but if you want to look awesome, you have to spend.

>>719189140
I will now play your aryan-coded game

does warframe make a lot of money?

>>719160793
>>719176825
total gachanigger death

>>719189461
Considering it remained as one of the most popular multiplayer games for over 12 years, I'd say it's probably doing pretty alright.

>>719189461
yeah, but funny enough it's not the premium warframe(character+weapons) packs that make the most money, nor singular warframes nor singular weapons, but forma bundles(item that reset your warframe/gear rank to 0 to accomodate more powerups)

replacing
>Do an hour of tedious dailies every day to get an average of one new character a month
to
>Do an hour of tedious dailies every day to get exactly one new character a month
Doesn't seem like much of an improvement.

I'll play it if they release more cunny

>>719189642
difference is theres no fomo in the latter.

>>719189642
It's actually:
>Do 5 minutes of easy dailies every day + all the new content as it rolls out to get an average of half a new character a month
to
>Do (some amount yet unknown) every day to get exactly one new character (some period yet unknown)
>>719189704
Or risk of being hilariously unlucky.

>>719187502
she has long fingers!

>>719189642
I mean with these changes I won't have to worry about a time limited banner or losing a 50/50, that's pretty huge when the characters ARE the game

>>719189741
>Or risk of being hilariously unlucky.
i swear to god gacha games are seeded somehow because some of my luck is statistically impossible

>>719189975
I've always wondered how a gacha that uses Luck as an actual currency would function.
One of:
>Build up Lesser/Greater Luck effects through gameplay/gacha to guarantee your next pull be a purple/gold
or
>Players have a literal Luck stat visible on the gacha screen which increments up every time they gamble, they can spend a certain amount of their luck (even going into the negatives) to get what they want instantly, but incur a Luck Debt depending on what they pulled, which will have to be "repaid" by continuing to pull in the future
Or some other shit, lol.

>>719188729
No you leeching piece of shit 5x for $5 is fine

>>719190351
The former already exists as the Guarantee system in most Gachas, lol.

>>719188882
Whales would prefer this model too
It's not that fun to keep swiping the $99.99 pack over and over after a string of bad luck
ONLY I repeat ONLY """people""" who only play gacha to roll hate this system. The 0.1% degenerate minority who install 12 different gacha and maintain all of them as f2p. Normal players and customers prefer better value for their money and time and gacha is just something we learned to put up with for the sake of anime vidya

>>719190672
I guarantee you some whales spend the kind of money they do to feel special and have things other people can't afford. It's kind of like buying status symbols in real life except even more shallow and empty.

>>719189642
But now you don't have to worry about bad RNG ruining what's supposed to be an exciting day of a new character release. You put in 10 hours grind and you get the shit you want. No more 50/50 coinflip bullshit or 33% or soft/hard pity or "spooks" or dupes of shit you don't want. You pay with time or money for what you want its as straightforward as that.

>>719190827
whales are still always going to outpace f2poors. Its how MMOs work. You can grind everything infinitely in mmos but you'll never catch up with whales cause theres only 24 hours in a day

>>719190827
Yeah but those are also 0.1% minority degenerates. With 0.1% degenerates at both ends of the spectrum terrorizing the 99.8% for years it's about time this shit ended. LONG LIVE DUET NIGHT ABYSS

I remember when "whale" meant someone who would spend ~$50 a month on a game. Now it's used for people who spend hundreds to thousands a month.

>>719190979
I like how the term leviathan exists because whale wasnt enough. And you're still a dolphin if you spend 200 dollars a month

>>719189704
>no risk of being hilariously unlucky.
>no fomo
I just worry that the tradeoff is a bit too boring. That people will be less engaged if they're not feeling the pressure.

And you're not gonna get a endless stream of youtube guys making videos to the form of "Should YOU pull Lauma or Flins???" Genshin got giga FOMO.
Pretty interesting actually
I think Genshin owes a lot of it's popularity to it's gacha format setting up for CCs to essentially make never-ending advertisements for the game. That was probably not entirely calculated, and one of many coincidences that contributed to Genshin getting big.
There's a reason competing games are trying to get the same thing going.


DNA will probably lend more to just character guides? Stuff like that.
When there's less fomo, you could always just grind the character later

Maybe I'm entirely wrong about this, and new DNA character releases will also be hype

>>719191139
New characters are always hype in every game. Holy fucking shit, how are gacha zoomers THIS disconnected from everything outside of their dogshit gamble bubble?

>>719191139
Those types of videos are mainly popular with cancerous f2p metafags and they will still need those videos especially if there is an opportunity cost of grinding

>>719191139
Yes... that's why new characters in fighting games or multiplayer games or DLC expansions were never hyped until gacha came along......
R E T A R D

Until now I never realized gachatards legitimately don't play video games.
Gacha is literally all they know. It's crazy.

Gachafags would probably defend a gacha payment scheme.

>>719160523
Beyond based, if you ask me.

>>719191473
>>719191297
DNA is pretty clearly competing with the anime-style gacha games. Like Genshin and wuwa. For all we knew it was basically a clone up until two days ago.
They want to reach the people playing those games

So don't be retarded and act like it's unreasonable compare and contrast from that specific viewpoint, with the expectations coming form there

>>719160523
That's all I want though

Free to play sounds nice but how is the gameplay?

I'm only interested because people are saying it's anime warframe and I always wanted to try something like warframe out.

>>719192207
probably nearly identical to Genshin

>>719192226
Looked more hack and slash

>>719189642
Change top to anywhere from 3 months to half a year and you're right.

>>719192095
>They want to reach the people playing those games
No, they don't. When they decided to remove the gacha and the stamina system they clearly told you they are aiming for a different market. You need to fuck off, gachamonkey.

>>719192095
There's no reason to compare because the premise is completely retarded. People get excited for new things. People have always been excited for new things. Gacha is just a layer of bullshit standing in the way of new things that people want.
When a new character is announced do people say
>I can't wait to roll for X!
or
>I can't wait for X to roll!
This is such a basic concept of human behavior so you deserve to be called a retard

>>719192220
play pso2?

>>719173941
>>719177408
>>719188048
>>719192220
https://pso2.com/lp/

>>719192773
I wanted to give this a go but then they increased the minimum height of characters for the global release and lost all interest.

>>719192707
>>719192773
PSO2 is nothing like warframe.

>>719192773
>>719192707
don't suggest ngs to anyone.

>>719192495
>No, they don't.
You're not serious

>>719192773
>NGS

>>719192226
Not really. You have an ai controlled party with you and can summon pokemons.

>>719192571
Right, so I did not mean to say that people will NOT be excited.
I wanted to make a much more modest claim, that people will be LESS excited, than with the gacha fomo model. Because the stakes are smaller.

>co op was disabled in CBT2
Ahh thats why I never found the option. Hoping they put significant effort in multiplayer now that is more like warframe.

>>719192773
God I miss PSO2. NGS is such shit

>>719192495
This game was literally a gacha a few months ago, can you stop being such a whiny cunt about it?

>>719161093
grinding isnt gameplay

>>719192571
>do people say
>I can't wait to roll for X!
Yeah that's exactly what people say. What point were you making though

>>719194849
It wasn't. I played a bit of coop.

>>719195843
yeah? So what do you call what you do in gacha games, then?

>>719195843
yeah it is

The game is still more than two months away and there's not really anything to talk about. Why have there been back to back threads lately?

>>719180131
Yeah all the art direction is gothic dark like Nier Automata type of shit but then the game is very colorful like Genshin lol

>>719196103
viral marketing

>>719157876 (OP)
I still won't trust free to play games, it will be insanely grindy and they will 100% include some RNG mechanic to enhance the potential of equipment or some shit like that, and you'll need to grind really hard to get shit or buy potential cubes, like Maplestory.

>>719196084
There's a difference between grinding in a game you purchased and own and a game that is free to play and will probably close in a year or two and you will lose everything. At the end of the day, gacha or not, free to play games are shit that you dont own, so i dont care.

>>719191726
What's there to know? Gachas are basically the only way to monetize single player games and actually make money. There's about a bazillion single player gacha games doing just that and very few non-gacha examples of the same thing.
>inb4 you name multiplayer games because you can't read

>>719195956
I never found the option. Was watching the stream and they said it wasn't available but I rewatched it now and it was disabled for dungeons only so how does co op work?

https://youtu.be/ice4zfPZvPk?t=3107

>>719196323
This is less about being free to play and more about being a live service game designed around longevity. In literally every single game designed with the expectation of player retention you are going to see gating in one of three forms; time, RNG or grind.

>>719196459
>single player games
F2P single player games that is

>>719196103
Read the OP? The game was going to be gachashit but yesterday on the launch announcement stream the devs announced that they removed the gacha and the stamina system. This shit is unprecedented. Tons of people are excited for the game now since it's anime Warframe and then some mentally ill gachadrones are seething at the removal of the gacha.

>>719196469
Same as in Warframe. You either queue with randoms or with friends. I only cooped with people that I befriended in-game tho so maybe random coop was disabled. I don't know.

>>719196603
>Tons of people are excited for the game now
Nice narrative. Somehow all those new people in this thread played CBT though lmao
How did that happen. Why did play a gacha CBT??

>>719157876 (OP)
I remember having this game shilled to me a few months back, only character that caught my eye was the tentacle loli, then I saw that her model didn't match her art at all and completely checked out.

>>719196764
Because the Warframe gameplay attracted a lot of people who normally wouldn't have looked at the game. I spent every day chatting with the other testers in the in-game chat and the general sentiment during both betas was that people wished it wasn't gacha, which seems to have reached the devs (thank God). You can go back to one of your gacha """games""" now you malding SEAmonkey.

>>719191726
go into any gacha thread, its never about gameplay but always about metafagging anyway somehow

>>719196603
>Read the OP?
I did. It doesn't change anything. The gameplay was mediocre(worse than Warframe in basically every way), the models had glaring issues and the game was full of bugs. The CBT did not leave a very good impression yet we have no gameplay-related information beyond that point. Threads have been spammed despite the game being more than two months away and no solid information exists on what has been fixed from the beta. Yes the change in monetization model is nice but that doesn't mean anything if we don't have anything about improvements to the actual gameplay.

What's the plan here? Give everyone fatigue until mods start killing Duet Night Abyss threads on sight before it even comes out?

>>719197708
>STOP TALKING ABOUT RELEVANT THING
Oh ok, you're just another one of those faggots who is mad something he doesn't like is being talked about.

>fallacy
Oh okay, you're just a retard. Why did I bother giving you the benefit of the doubt?

>>719162637
>the gameplay is good because it's Warframe
So it's garbage then?

>>719197970
You don't even know what a fallacy is lmao. But let me guess, you didn't have an issue with all the DK threads or those two months we had ten Shill 33 threads in the catalog at any given time right? Half the catalog is offtopic but you are here screeching that people are talking about a relevant vidya happening regarding a game that is coming out in two month. Fucking retard.

>>719197410
>your gacha
What do you mean my gacha? Wasn't this game a gacha when you were testing it? So you were playing a gacha and yet now you're seething about gacha at me? Mr marketeer your narrative is falling apart

>retard
Strawmanning is a fallacy. Educate yourself. Concession accepted.

>>719198485
Nigger half the catalog is offtopic and you chose to come here to screech. There's no strawman here, you're just a retarded faggot. Do the world a favour and blow your brains (what little you have) out.

>>719192707
>>719192773
Already did. Shame PSO2 died and that turd NGS took its place.

>>719196084
Grinding in disgaea is moving towards a fixed attainable goal.
In live service gacha games its an endless daily chore until you quit or it goes EOS

>October
They have a couple more months to add at least 20 new lolis. Do not disappoint me, devs.

>retard vomits a fallacy
>gets called out for it
>retard spergs the fuck out
Damn. Mental illness is real.

>>719199757
I will collect ALL the lolis and buy ALL their cosmestics. Do not fuck this up devs

>two duet night abyss threads
>two days in a row
>both reached bump limit
Yep they made the right call
It's on them to fuck it up now

>>719170105
Why was Lynn OP in the cock and ball torture, anon?

>>719185015
>>719189050
they should add more characters w/ tentacles and tails. fluffy women too

>>719183602
because destiny isn't grindslop so the playerbase goes down after updates until a new update