Thread 719645072

Why are Millennial gamers like this?

>>719645072 (OP)
The only one that applies to is Sonic Adventure 2. There's an entire grifting YouTube clique of people trying to dunk on it. SA2 kicks ass, I don't care about YouTuber Resetera troon grifters making hate videos about it.

>Why does [age group] hate [thing]?
>No, I won’t answer IF that’s the case, I'm just going to assume it’s already a fact and want people to validate my worldview.

>>719645072 (OP)
Why is FFVII here, it's millennialcore
6th gen stuff like Jak and Sonic Adventure is debatable
7th gen is absolutely zoomercore though.

>>719645072 (OP)
85 to 90 is core sóyllennial
91 to 95 is late sòyllennial almost zoomer

>>719645072 (OP)
true

>>719645072 (OP)
as a zoomer i think wind waker sucks too

>>719645184
there's a couple of games YT hate for no reason they try to gaslight people on being bad, FFVIII, DK64

>>719645072 (OP)
But these are the kinds people who would tell you these games are good, OP you might actually be retarded.

>>719645072 (OP)
no one genuinely thinks like this unless they are farming for engagement on social media

>>719645072 (OP)
but millenials grew up playing those games aren't you mistaking them for zoomers?

>>719645072 (OP)
Perspective. Haven't played all these games but I can explain why they suck.
FF7: cinematic masterpiece in a time where gaming was shifting from being mechanics>everything to presentation>everything. It's one of the reasons games became movies and people were calling bullshit on it at the time. It's also where the series took a hard shift from medieval western fantasy to fashion model effeminate pretty boys. Not that the series didn't have those elements before, it was just undeniable now.
Halo 3. A step down in gameplay from 1+2. The popularity of it's gameplay was largely from the ease of setting up LAN parties for the first and the second being the most popular xbox live game. The shift in focus from multiplayer to campaign was jarring and the multiplayer of Halo 3 was lackluster. Deployables were more of an "oh that's interesting" or "I fucking hate that shit" addition and they nerfed a few of the OG weapons or carried over the nerfs from Halo 2 (pistol, energy sword, shotgun).
Windbreaker: Unfinished as hell. Second half is all backtracking. Large empty open world. The artstyle turned a lot of people off because OoT and MM had such iconic aesthetics. People hated cartoon link and everything he stood for. Zelda was viewed more as an adolescent or mature game so the sequel being an undeniable children's cartoon aesthetic was a jarring shift in tone.
Gears of War: Story game that popularized the walky talky segments that are seen now in most AAA story games. The devs take control away from the player, make them walk at a snails pace and explain the story to you over the radio. That shit was crap. Plus, it was an unreal tournament mod. Unreal tournament is a fast paced movements shooter, in comparison Gears of War is slow and plodding. If you hadn't played Unreal Tournament you'd have no idea how fucking boring Gears of War was. It popularized chest high walls.
GTA IV: Grimdark mopey gritty realistic sequel in a series known for it's cartoon sillyness.

>>719645072 (OP)
they are just unhappy contrarians

>>719645072 (OP)
>FFVII
Genuinely shitty, it's boring as fuck in gameplay and has a tedious story that you only enjoyed because WAOW SWORDS and it had the largest advertising budget of all time when it released.

>Sonic Adventure 2
No strong feelings.

>Halo 3
Most of the hate for this is less about the game itself, which was arguably the peak of console shooters, and more about what it represents, which is the moment FPS transformed from Quake III and Unreal Tournament into Halo and CoD.

>Wind Waker
Everybody likes Wind Waker.

>Jak II
Jak II is retarded as hell and people were mostly upset by how it was such a radical, trend-chasing departure. It also has some retarded hard levels, but it has been reevaluated over time.

>GTA IV
Similar to Halo 3, it marked the point where GTA changed from WUH OH WACKY to being overly grounded and serious. Kind of a boring game but an extraordinary technological achivement.

>GoW
Similar to Halo. Totally fine game, arguably one of the best cover shooters ever made to this day (not that being the best in that genre is hard) and a technological achievement, but it represented the bro-ification of shooters.

t. millennials. Also, that millennial caricature's haircut is more of a 2012 era haircut while the real criticism of those games started in the late-2000s.

>>719645072 (OP)
not a single good game there
>t. 2000 zoomie

>>719645072 (OP)
I'm born in 94 and on the younger end of millennial and all of these games are GOAT'd

>>719645072 (OP)
>Halo 3 is a shit tier shooter just like every other Halo game
>GTA 4 is the worst mainline GTA, it can still be fun for a bit but I'd honestly rather play 3 or Vice City or San Andreas or 5
>Gear of War is hot garbage it only appeals to people that were 13 when it came out and owned an Xbox
>Final Fantasy VII is good but it's overrated. It doesn't deserve its mythical status as the best FF game
>Sonic Adventure 2 is awesome and everyone shitting on it is a retard
>LoZ Wind Waker is pure joy and I'm still mad that the HD version fucked up the artstyle
>Dunno about Jak 2 never played those games

There you go that's the 30 year old millennial take on those games

>>719645072 (OP)
They suck off all these games

>>719646042
Nice take zoomer. but wrong on all accounts except halo 3.

FF7 - JRPG
Halo 3 - Nailed it
Windwaker - Actually no, the issue was the grahpics, and that was quickly gotten over with the overall package.
Gears of War - Again, no. Issue was cover shooter. Pop up, shoot, crouch, wait, repeat. Entire game cycle for you.
GTA IV - Nope. Issue was that the story was a departure from the prior 2, and was a much more 'why so serious?' story, vs san andreas being a true rags to riches redemption story about someone trying to right prior wrongs and provide for their friends/family, while dealing with the sins of their past.
Vs
'Niko! You want to go bowling?' or 'Gee, our old country sucked so much, good thing were here in america! (proceeds to gut someone like in the old country)'

>>719645072 (OP)
All of those are late millennial games.

And Jak2/SA2 were badass. Jak2 suffered from teh '2000s ooh edgy', but was still a solid game.
talking shit about SA2 is just silly.

>>719645072 (OP)
Most of those 90's kids are tendies so of course they would hate everything not Nintendo

>>719645072 (OP)
Bait image, but I'll reply anyway. Millennials love all those games, generally speaking. Except they might make fun of Sonic Adventure 2 or Jak 2 for being edgy (Shadow the Hedgehog gets more of that than the SA2). And some might say Halo 2 > Halo 3 because they played 2 more (depends on their age).

>>719647163
You didn't disagree with me on any of those games, ESL-kun.
>Windwaker - Actually no, the issue was the grahpics
>The artstyle turned a lot of people off
>Gears of War - Again, no. Issue was cover shooter.
>It popularized chest high walls.
>GTA IV - Nope. Issue was that the story was a departure from the prior 2
>Grimdark mopey gritty realistic sequel in a series known for it's cartoon sillyness.

>bunch of games that released in the 2000s or damn near on the edge of 2000s
>'90s kid
Work on your bait

>>719646906
>>719646546
People hate WW because of the obvious bait and switch, Nintendo sold the Gamecube to people with a tech demo for Zelda game with good graphics and an artstyle similar to OOT and Smash Bro and instead we got the unimpressive Toon Link and baren world WW.
https://youtu.be/jqcyQOgmUYE?si=KHQvcWNl0BsntKeA

>Halo 3
people hate Halo 3 because it was delayed 1000 times and buy the time it had came out other FPS games had leapfrogged it in terms o graphics ans gameplay, is was still an OG Xbox game, it looked old and played old.

>>719647601
People hated WW when they saw the trailer, but when the game actually came out it was generally liked. Also fun fact: it technically wasn't the first appearance of Toon Link. Four Swords on the GBA released a few weeks before.

>>719647324
Sega was good too. I loved Genesis. Anything past that generation is largely slop. There are some good games released here and there, but overall, quality took a nose dive in the 5th gen. But of course, most of the so-called "90s kids" here would disagree with me, because all of you were just born or were barely conscious in the mid to late '90s.

Is "Gears of War" standing the test of time?

I never played any of those games, they were considered good in 2005-2010 but then there was a backlash against them and everyone made fun of them for their gritty "shades of brown" graphics.

Does anyone from the zoomer generation care to play Gears of War? Would be interesting to know, especially compared to Zelda games.

>>719648326
I didn't play any Gears of War until way after it was popular. The games I've tried hold up pretty well, they're worth a playthrough at least.

>>719645072 (OP)
Troonlennials dont like anything that isn't Scrimblo Bimblos on the n64

>>719645072 (OP)
those are all games we loved, which is exactly why they're so many contrarian screeds put out against them

>>719645072 (OP)
Add Half Life 2, I'm a millennial and I think it fucking sucks actually

>>719648326
Gears was one of the pioneers of that washed out colour-palette though and did it tastefully. It's after the rise of CoD:MW that the complaints against it multiplied.

>>719645184
>B-b-but muh Mad Space!
It's not even the worst stage. That would be Death Chamber. The only bad part about Mad Space is the fucky camera.

>>719645963
A true 90s kid (not a 90s baby) would never praise the 2000s, FF7 is the only thing there they would like.

>>719649115
I thought it was a little overrated, but I think it's because I played it late. I think it's appreciated by pc gamers for what it added at the time. I wasn't much of a pc gamer then outside of a few rts games.

>>719649318
Why? The 2000s was basically the 90s part 2.

>>719645072 (OP)
Wind waker is fucking shit
>OMG DUDE LE ISLAND (walkable area with the area of a large cardboard box that has a heart piece on it) SO KINO

my favorite part about cuck waker is that it has 1 town in the whole world and the only 2 ships in existence are 1 pirate ship and a tiny gay red rowboat

>>719649448
Maybe the year 2000, but past 9/11, the world became a very different place.

>>719645072 (OP)
All of those have middling to bad gameplay despite other redeeming features

>>719645072 (OP)
FF7 is the only good game there.

>>719649578
Not really. People forget that 1991-2001 was an unusual stretch of 10 years of relative peace, but that was due to the end of the Cold War. In the 1950s-1980s there was a lot of dread over foreign wars and nuclear annihilation. 9/11 basically started a new Cold War-esque era. The 90s was an anomaly of relative stability and 9/11 woke people up to the fact that America is not invincible.

>>719646546
>Everybody likes Wind Waker.
People hated the kiddie toon artstyle now thats default.

>>719649578
>>719649749
There are so many people that don't remember a pre 9-11 world. There are so many people that weren't even born by that point. They have no frame of reference with with to properly judge the difference.

>>719649448
No a bunch of stuff went to shit in the 2000s. TV started dying out, Bush became president, 9/11 happened, we had wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (and lost both), social media was everywhere after 2004, rock music completely died, and movies were mostly remakes.

>>719647601
>buy the time it had came out other FPS games had leapfrogged it in terms o graphics ans gameplay, is was still an OG Xbox game, it looked old and played old.
absolutely delusional take holy shit

>>719650263
Rock music didn't die until the 2010s and there were plenty of new kino movies in the 2000s. I'm a staunch defender of that decade.

>>719645072 (OP)
T:32 year old

>FF7 great game unfortunately way too easy, I find it odd it didn't get one of those "hard type releases". Sadly been skullfucked to death with this dogshit compilation shit
>GTAIV
>The most fun I have with these games I fucking around and just killing people, never cared for anything else
>HALO3
>Owned a OG XBOX & 360, I didn't own a single Halo game and didn't care for FPS on consoles
>Gears of Wars
>It is a really fun game its just that everyone hates it in retrospective for causing the third person brown and bloom fad
>SA2
>3D platformers are fucking shit
>Jak II
Ditto for this game
>WindWaker
>Felt halfbaked

>>719650491
>I find it odd it didn't get one of those "hard type releases"
The NA version was the hard type. The original Japanese release had less bosses and an easier difficulty overall.

>>719650457
The Mayans were right, the old world really did end in 2012

>>719650457
not that anon, but what rock music are you talking about in the late 00s that wasn't terrible?
i hesitate to ask because these types of questions usually result in nothing but shitflinging and probably no matter what you say someone will tell you you're retarded, but I'm genuinely curious what you were listening to that wasn't terrible as someone who paid very close attention to music at the time
A Jack White vehicle? The arctic monkeys? Modest mouse? I'm straining to think of something better

>>719645072 (OP)
Real 90s kids grew up with 80s/90s consoles frome thrift stores and yard sales. Even if you made your own money your parents would force you to save it for college or some thing.

>>719650743
Gorillaz, The Killers, Green Day, Radiohead.

Why is everybody sucking off Gears 1 so much? The weapons all feel like dogshit. Seriously, the lancer sounds like a sowing machine.

>>719650457
>>719650743
The sing-along indie shit is exactly what killed rock. It's like artists were afraid of being cool.
>>719650897
They're all 90s except the Killers who are an 80s throwback

>>719651025
>They're all 90s
Awful bait, Demon Days came out in 2005.

>>719650897
>>719651025
>>719651136
Gorillaz also isn't a rock band.

>>719651025
Gorillaz isn't 90s retard

>>719645072 (OP)
Because none of those games provide a better experience than I had playing Kirby's Dream Course with my friend on SNES when I was 11. You just lost, that's the way it is.

>>719650946
I had a lot of fun with it.

>>719651136
>>719651263
Gorillaz itself isn't technically 90s but it's Damon Albarn's solo project, he got famous for being Blur's lead singer.

Millennials were extremely insecure back then

>>719651380
That's like saying Nirvana is an 80s band because they released Bleach in the 80s.

>>719647601
The myth of the Wind Waker backlash gets grander and grander by the year. There being some massive outcry against it is complete nonsense. "muh spaceworld" fags were a thing but they were nothing more than a loud minority that quickly got drowned out as more and more of the game was revealed until they all but disappeared after it was released.

>>719651745
Yeah WW was well-liked by both reviewers and gamers when it came out.

>>719651438
Pretty much, yeah we gotta prove that gaming is mature and shiet. Oh wait this game has more colors than brown and bloom?
Yeah that's kiddie shit brah

Please remove Wind Waker and FF7 from that pile of abject suck. TY.

>>719650897
only good band here is Gorillaz

>>719645072 (OP)
I'm a massive Sonicfag and I never got the appeal of SA2. The music is good, but you can say that about every Sonic game of that era

>>719645184
It's okay to admit the SA2 games are charming but shitty, at best.
What do you even think is good about them? What part of the gameplay? The fact that there's a skinner box tamagochi?

>>719645072 (OP)
not the bing bing wahoo they grew up with (which is the single greatest achievement mankind has ever created and it just so happened to release exactly when they were kids)

>>719650897
Gorillaz is the only band there I like, and they were more of a hiphop or dance group, really.
00's rock really was just kind of lame on the whole. All of the cool appeal eroded, and a bunch of pussies showed up and started talking about their feelings.
All of this ten years after Red Hot Chili Peppers sang "what I've got I'm gonna take and put it in ya".

>>719652332
>All of the cool appeal eroded, and a bunch of pussies showed up and started talking about their feelings
That literally started with grunge in the 90s.

>>719652398
Grunge at least had some facade of being rough and hard edge. It felt angry. MCR just felt gay.

>>719648326
Yes. Gameplay wise its mechanics are still really good. First game has gritty brown and dark art direction that works with how game has certain horror elements to it. Ultimate Edition and Reloaded look like ass and completly fucked art direction. First Gears is a game where memed default UE3 color palette actually works.

>>719645072 (OP)
I'm Gen Y and I haven't played any of those. So I can't comment.

>>719649749
America is invincible. 9/11 was a pin prick by comparison to anything we've done.

>watching random episodes of X-Files or Beavis and Butthead, and finding better rock than 80% of what I grew up with in the 00's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9mJ82x_l-E
Nah, the 00's was a pretty shit decade for rock tho.
I never want to hear American Idiot again in my life.

>>719645072 (OP)
>this fucking sucks actually
How is this wrong?

>>719645072 (OP)
Why are zoomers incapable of making original memes beyond soijaks, pepes and shitter screenshots?

Why are zoomers so retarded and can't even get memes right?

>>719653030
Because im le gigachad
I look like him
I talk like him
brap

>>719645184
SA2 is fantastic, but you have to admit it’s a big step down from SA.

>2000s are the '90s
>actual, 2010s are the '90s
>actual, 2020s are an extension of those two decades, so 2020s are still the '90s
Just admit that you were too young to remember the bulk of the '90s. Everyone shits on millennials and '90s kids, yet they want so badly to be part of it that they stretch the definition of what a decade is. For "90s kids", you seems to only like anything produced at the very end of the decade, or 2000s. Wonder why that is. Could it be because you were barely conscious by the time they were over, and you have nostalgia for that period? No, couldn't be that. It can only be because everything magically started getting good by 1997 or 98, and then the good times abruptly ended by around 2005.

>>719652105
>Shitty
you have no idea what shitty platformers feel like to play. on a pure gameplay standpoint it's a 7/10 for the genre. Not the best but above the curve.

>>719652915
https://youtu.be/Obf1Q0khKm0?si=MV0rrCjP1lk8m-mq

>>719645072 (OP)
wind waker is good, but it has big problems

>>719653412
Is it though? The soundtrack is fantastic. The game, I dunno.
Even as much as I can appreciate overly melodramatic anime shit, the story isn't well told. The cutscenes are fucked up, and stuff just happens with little justification half of the time.
>oh dude, the police have arrested Sonic because they think he's Shadow
What did Shadow even do? Stand on a street while being black?

>>719645072 (OP)
Wind waker is terrible, the other games are alright - good

>>719648987
TRVKE. trannylennials are all ootsnoys and mario64 speedtrooners. their opinions are worthless as they are all soi guzzling subhumans molested at chuck-e-chese

>>719653501
I've played the original Megadrive Sonic games, for one. And I've played other 3D platformers. I've played Mario 64, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Pac-Man World...
The controls always felt kind of fucked up in SA. Like everyone has slightly too much acceleration, and no weight.

>>719645184
I've started to want to play more RPGs, should I play the old ff vii or the remake? The remake seems to have more content but playing an unfinished game feels bad.

>>719653414
The good times pretty much did abruptly end in 05 or thereabouts though. Games never beat the high watermark of RE4, MGS3, and Half Life 2, and culture in general just kind of went down the toilet. All of the good movies had already been made, all of the good TV had already been made, etc. Exceptions are few and far between.

>>719653808
OOT isn't even a scrimblo...

>>719645072 (OP)
I hate mellenial, no one like this guys

>>719645072 (OP)
>he doesn't know the joy of stick on stick violence
The zoomer never had a chance.

>>719645184
applies to gears of war as well, at least on /v/ it does

>>719645184
>YouTube clique of people trying to dunk on it.
Times must have really change then. 10 years ago every gaming youtuber said
>SA2 is the best Sonic game ever, 10/10 masterpiece, please SEGA make SA3 already!

I really liked SA1 as a kid and after watching YouTube reviews got excited to finally play SA2. Then after I played it I was pissed off that Shadow only had 4 stages and that 2/3 of the game was mech shooting + treasure hunting

Soundtrack is still pretty kino though

>>719655016
SA2 has basically always had this very loud bubble of fans who thought it was the best shit ever (basically because of Shadow), but also had a lot of criticism, because it's kind of a questionable game.
None of this is new. This whole fight has been going on since the game came out. Some people just flat out hate 3D Sonic as a thing, hate the redesigns, hate that the music went from Megadrive chiptunes to buttrock with vocals.

>>719653828
>SA2 has no weight
Now I've definitely heard it all.

>>719653828
most of those are 8/10 or 9/10 gameplay wise for 3D platformers. I'm talking the dogshit like blues brothers or earthworm jim 3D, which in comparison SA/SA2 is by far more refined.

>>719654101
I thought the rest of the 2000s and early 2010s were still fun. iPhones destroyed all the soul in the world.

>>719645572
retard
millenials were the main target for all those generations.
zoomercore is roblox and fortnite, always will be.

>>719653414
90's are edgy.
Batman, spiderman, xmen cartoons from the early/mid 90's were all edgy as fuck, batman beyond/xmen evo are examples of this being toned down in the 2000s.
Anyone who hates edgy shit (like shadow) and claim they are 90's kids were probably unable to remember anything before pokemon released.

>>719656129
2000s cartoons were also edgy. That was the decade of Invader Zim and Billy & Mandy,

>>719655947
Sonic is literally(literally) wearing soap shoes...

>>719656209
billy and mandy was somewhat edgy, invader zim was more like earthworm jim and just "lmao so random"
Edginess died in 2005 with shadow the hedgehog being released. Early 2000s still have some edge.

>>719645072 (OP)
because we're correct on all counts

>>719655016
>>719655574

>Times must have really change then. 10 years ago every gaming youtuber said
>SA2 is the best Sonic game ever, 10/10 masterpiece, please SEGA make SA3 already!

I remember differently. Every youtuber was itching to shit on SA2. Every video, every time you tried to talk about it, it was:
>Horrible Camera
>Takes control away from the player to much
>Hunting levels are atrocious, emerald meter nerf
>Shooting levels are boring, its not "Sonic" and you just want it to be over
>Even when the camera works, it controls like ass

They would also mention Rouge's tits as a negative if they were trying to get extra good boy points with (((that))) crowd of people. THATS how I remember SA2 discourse. Where it shifted from comparing games to SA2 as a gold standard, into "Hey, at least it's not SA2, right?"

>>719656004
I dunno man. In retrospect you compare early 00's movies (Lord of the Rings, Pirates of the Caribbean, the SW prequels, etc) to what was popular in the late 00's (Nolan's Batman, Avatar, Inglorious Basterds), and the late-00's stuff is already kind of soulless and shit in comparison.
Even stuff I more or less liked at the time. It lost it's luster way more quickly.

>>719656314
>Edginess died in 2005 with shadow the hedgehog being released
Is this a joke? The rest of the 2000s had Gears of War, Dead Space, and Prototype, aka the edgiest game ever made. For movies it had Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, and for music emo music blew up around 2005-2006. The entire decade was edgy.

>>719656456
>The Dark Knight and Inglourious Basterds
>soulless
Fuck off. Avatar sucked though, I'll give you that. Still had more soul than post-2012 blockbusters like most MCU movies.

>>719656456
Oh and Daniel Craig's James Bond. That stuff was kind of cool for exactly one movie, and then I was just done with it.
In retrospect I just like Piers Brosnan even more.

>>719646042
>It's also where the series took a hard shift from medieval western fantasy to fashion model effeminate pretty boys
yeah you have no idea what you're talking about. your first word of your post is perspective yet you have absolutely none in regards to FF

>>719656598
I'm never going to watch those movies again. They were fads.

>>719656509
>The rest of the 2000s had Gears of War, Dead Space, and Prototype, aka the edgiest game ever made. For movies it had Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, and for music emo music blew up around 2005-2006
Thanks for describing how cool edge died in favor of gay edge which killed it.

>people hate Halo 3 because it was delayed 1000 times and buy the time it had came out other FPS games had leapfrogged it in terms o graphics ans gameplay, is was still an OG Xbox game, it looked old and played old.

Not true at all. You could argue CoD4 was on par with it but Halo was far and away the best looking shooter when it launched and I don't remember anyone having issues with the delay of it.

Also Halo was way closer to Quake and UT then COD4 was. If anything CoD4 (for better and worse) shifted the market towards arcady type shooters that cared less about winning and more about K/D ratio. CoD4 was the beginning of modern day shooters.

>>719657010
It's the difference between 90's edge, which was everyone is a leather wearing goth vampire, and 00's edge, which was everyone is a depressed PTSD ridden solider, just come back from the wars in the middle east.

>>719657010
>>719657094
Alex Mercer is the edgiest character ever made. He makes Shadow look like a wuss.

>>719645072 (OP)
This was always a nintedocuck standpoint. The brown/piss filter was the golden era of gaming

do all zoomers have collective amnesia and think they were born in a different time period or something
half these games came out before you were born

>>719657087
>Halo was far and away the best looking shooter when it launched
And then Crysis came 2 months later

>>719657154
I'd say that's a holdover. He's a Spawn-like. People were already snearing at that stuff back then.

I'm a zillennial (1996) and I adore SA2, H3, LOZ WW. I loved them when they came out and I still love them. I haven't played FF7 or Gears of War, but GTA4 is complete garbage. The series is terrible and 4 is easily the worst. Rockstar is the most overrated developer ever.

>>719657261
"Holdover" is just a tacit way of agreeing with me.

>>719657154
>Muh hoodie is edgy
Please stop there is no better sign of pozzed edge then that.

>>719657169
It was the standpoint of people who like looking at visually appealing things, instead of four shades of brown and brown-green.
Far Cry was a popular shooter in the early 00's. That game is all bright greens and blues. It's nice to look at.

>>719645072 (OP)

I don't remember criticism of any of these games from millennials (I am one and was in middle/high school when all of these launched) EXCEPT for Wind Waker.

Wind Waker was criticized pretty heavily when it launched for it's graphics and generally 'kiddie' aesthetic when the industry as a whole was shifting to 'dark, grey, bloomed' out shooters and pseudo-mature style games.

Now that we've shifted away from everything needing to be an M rated game - people have come to appreciate Wind Waker for it's gameplay and pretty timeless design.

>>719657338
Just because a fad is over, doesn't mean there wont be one guy doing it quietly by himself somewhere.

>>719657372
>Wind Waker was criticized pretty heavily when it launched
It was criticized when the trailer was shown. When the game came out it was generally well-received.

>>719657356
Gears still holds up graphically, which can't be said of any Wii game

>>719657372
People had masculinity issues, or just wanted to dunk on the Gamecube. It's hard to explain to younger people how gaming culture had a collective mental age of about 15, back then.
People who liked Wind Waker, liked Wind Waker, but we had to shut up about it, or people would think we were gay.
That's the world I grew up in. That shit was real.

>>719657556
Mario Galaxy in 1080p and up looks great.

>>719657628
>implying Wind Waker isn't manly as fuck

>>719657628
This

>>719657702
It looks like a game for pedophiles and children. Gears is a series for real heterosexual bros

>>719650457
this movie is so shit i never understood why anyone likes this shit movie

>>719657628
Shut up, fag

>>719656314
2000s had fucking happy tree friends ffs

>>719657706
it doesn't even matter. It was on the Gamecube, and the Gamecube was gay by default. Gamecube games had to try extra hard to convince people they weren't gay, and usually failed anyway.

>>719657914
It's top 3 Tarantino movie

>>719657804
gears is for people into "bears", and "daddies"

>>719656054
>seething zoomer trying to move the goalpost on what qualifies as a zoomer
kekaroo

>>719657345
t. retard who didn't play the game

>>719658170
Those weren't things back then

>>719658249
The oldest zoomers were Like 10 when Halo 3 and CoD 4 came out retard

>>719658442
Just because you didn't know you were gay back then...

>>719656447
SA2 is like Majora's Mask. It always has a dedicated fanbase, but the general fanbase's opinion is a pendulum. When it becomes hated too much suddenly everyone loves it. When it becomes loved too much suddenly everyone hates it.

>>719658524
Nigga Nintendo's always been the gay choice of console. All wierd gay kids had a gamecube and was watching anime and shit. Guess what? They grew up to be either gay, trans or pedophiles. No dudebro ever turned homofag

>>719658662
weird how you did tho

>>719658087
>>719658662
Holy smokes Eric at least be a little subtle with your faggotry.

>>719658249

No one moved the goal posts you're just a fucking retard kicking the ball in the wrong direction.

>>719658662
>No dudebro ever turned homofag
>Halo became Gaylo
>Gears of War became Tears of Bore
>Call of Duty became Call for Booty
>God of War became Soi of Boy
>dudebros, not homofags
Riiiiiight

>>719658851
We're not wrong and you know it. The gaycube was for people who got diddled in they asswhole by uncle Hubert when they crackwhore mom was out turning tricks with her sticky ass herpes ridden pussy for pocket change

>>719658919
They're not gay. They just like watching other men run around a field in tight shorts, and sexually assault each other off as "initiation".
They're not gay, okay? They just love spending time in the gym, more than they like spending time with girls.

>>719659010
Not him but GayStation literally exists along with Fagbox having all the gay colors of the rainbow. While everyone else is seeing the writing on the wall with wokeness. Sony and Microsoft continues to power through with it. PlayStation and Xbox were always gay trash made for closet faggots who should have gotten the bullet for even being faggots in the first place.

>>719658919
Those series got subverted by homo thugs post gamergate. Can't have men liking things ya know

>>719658491
>>719658852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1A49E4Qekw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8eAUr4oe2E
Your point, seething broccoliheads?

>>719659210
They were always homoshit, including hanging out with your "bro". Bros before hoes. Gaming became sanitized when these faggots entered it.

>>719659010
I had the GC, PS2 and played on PC happy without worrying about gay brand loyalty like you do. It's only in recent history that brandfags are infesting discussion by going so low as to insert identity shit out of nowhere like if it was a weapon when everyone knows sony has been the core faggot brand since it left japan.

>>719659210
The Gears characters are definitely gay-coded. Solid Snake is a normal masculine power fantasy. You don't make characters Gears level buff, without it being some kind of fetish.
Plus the women are all mysteriously absent in that universe, so you can devote more of the game to "bro time". C'mon...
They knew what they were doing.

>>719645072 (OP)
I saw someone praising dragon age veilguard and even defending it, while saying gears of war was outdated even on release date.

>>719659507
>>719659386
>>719658524
>purple box design explicitly to attract LGBT audiences
>smelee troons
>cosmo wright
>started the faggy t(r)oon link shit when everyone was expecting the style of oot to be expanded on
>Eric
>Paper Mario TTYD has the first tranny in any game, ever
kek you faggots are delusional, trannies and degenerates love the shitcube. massive cubie cope itt

>>719659507
This, they can't even let you be alone, you're always with your butt buddy in every fucking level.

>>719659642
LOL cubexisters BTFO

>>719659364
You're trying too hard

>>719659642
The gamecube has always been known as “gaycube”

>>719645072 (OP)
They aren't you lying nigger zoomoid.

If you weren't born in 1980, youre technically not a 90s kid. Youre more of a late 90s-early thousands kid. But thats actually fact and not me being a boomer that my generations already turning into.

>>719659642
Faggots are faggots because some retard ruptured their assholes. Nintendo can't create faggots because they just made fun games for kids. Microsoft literally protected some pink armor wearing Spartan dude playing Halo 3 who called himself "Gayboy". Sony and Microsoft are faggot companies, always have been. They're just more out in the open about it now because they can no longer get lynched for it.

>>719645184
>There's an entire grifting YouTube clique of people trying to dunk on it.
And there's an entire group defending it as some hidden gem. Don't bring up YouTube anybody, you fucking hypocrite.

>>719659642
>>Paper Mario TTYD has the first tranny in any game, ever
This fag never played Final Fight.

>>719659484
>It's only in recent history that brandfags are infesting discussion

NTA but I feel this is because the concept of consoles are kind of starting to die out and they want to stem the bleed by trying to drum up old loyalists to keep people invested.
>Xbox has practically dipped from the market,
>No one would be excited for a ps6 announcement because the public feels like they just got their hands on ps5 because of its year and a half long unavailablilty due to scalping
>Nintendo has moved to a digital only approach with their key cards and no one is happy about that.

Consoles are turning into machines to access digital content over the internet, and thats it. Glorified PC's. Brand loyalty is all they have left.

>>719659642
I can smell this picture

DUDE IM LIKE 17, BORN IN LIKE, 2003, AND TOTALLY REMEMBER POGS BRO

Pogs were lamer than Pokémon, but I fucking needed them.

>>719645072 (OP)
No one has ever said this. But you already knew that, because this is just a bait thread.

>>719660129
I can see only Nintendo surviving this, they have their niche

>5 to ten years later, people I knew will probably be actual grandparents
Lads..its over.

they do suck, they have their merits thier coolness, but ff7 looks like shit, wind waker makes no sense and is just a meme world like all zelda games soulless even. If you look you'll find the blackpill. There are no good games. Star citizen is probably the best game I've seen and it's shitty. Everything is shit.

>>719659642
I'm sorry to break this to you, you've been gay the whole time.

>>719659484
And now you posting trannime reaction images while passing ur lil' diaper go change u STINK

>>719660198
>17 born in 2003
That's impossible.

>>719660448
in fact wind waker opted for these shit cartoon graphics to cover up their bleak lack of creativity but it's just a bing bing wahoo game you can't expect much, I certainly put it on a top of a list.

90s kids are adults now that's all, they're not impressionable youth, they're disillusioned and if you aren't then you're dumb.

>>719660407
35 now, 40 in five years, 50 in 10. And its true, the older you get, the fastest time flys.

>>719660198
A 17 year old would be born in 2008

>>719660558
I hate this phone, I'd be 45. Almost 50.

>>719660556
*certainly wouldn't put it at a top of a list
something should have replaced it all pc gaming is a big let down people thought that would be hope

you'll see when people start accepting eating the shit and smiling

>>719645072 (OP)
He's right about GTA4
WW has a better reputation now than it did at any point in the 00s. A ton of people HATED toon link. No one cares about that anymore because Fromslop put an end to people begging for a more mature OoT Zelda.

>>719659507
Series turned to shit when femoids became playable. It was a showcase of what was to come.

>>719660575
I was just joking. Like the "bro, I was born in the wrong generation " bullshit.

>>719645072 (OP)
Halo 3 is the only good game on that list.

What does the Lifestream even do?

>>719660556
Most millennials are still overgrown kids.

>>719660556
WW is also one of the most creative Zelda games, on top of the fact it has a unique art style.
>pirate theme
>sailing
>Zelda isn't even really Zelda in it
>Link is just some kid and not the chosen hero of the gods
>Link has an actual family for maybe the only time ever
>there's no single designated sidekick, but two characters who compete for that role
>introduced gliding and swinging mechanics to the series
>basically none of the races from OOT return, except for in a cameo sense.
Aonuma only went backwards from here in regards to how willing he was to just do other shit with Zelda.

>>719660517
You can do better than that champ come on throw another newfag buzzword

>>719660034
Chocola would never say that!

>>719645072 (OP)
Millennials love this shit what the fuck are you talking about? Why do zoomers keep trying to claim shit that existed either before them or when they were in diapers?

>>719660895
>Zelda isn't even really Zelda in it
>Link is just some kid and not the chosen hero of the gods
There's reincarnations.

>>719660703
getting mad at the presence of women also outs your as a closet-case.
You know which games have female playable characters? Like loads of good ones. Tomb Raider, Perfect Dark, Metroid, Street Fighter, Mirror's Edge, Resident Evil 1 through 3...

>>719661034
Link actually isn't in this one. He has to earn the role of hero. He isn't born with it.

>>719645072 (OP)
Actual Millennial here. Anyone denying these games are kino are attention seeking and or grifting homosexuals. No Millennial who had a genuine passion for games growing up has adapted this retarded mindset. Some may be less mind-blowing than we remember due to becoming jaded with age, but that's it. If anything, modern "games" make me appreciate these gems even more.

>>719660921
Nigga I'm done wiv u u a busta gay ass Nintendoboi

>>719645695
the fuck? millenials were in diapers between 85-90. 85-90 gaming is gen x

>>719661134
Ganondorf literally calls him the Hero of Time reborn.

>>719661159
HOW DID YOU STEAL ALL OF THOSE GAMES IN LESS THAN 4 HOURS?!? HOW MANY HOUSES DID YOU BREAK INTO TO FIND THEM ALL

all of these are console games and console gamers suffer from NO GAMES syndrome, so whenever a decent game enters their ecosystem they praise it like it just invented the genre, this goes all the way back to Goldeneye. GTAIV is when zoomers picked up the franchise so they had no idea how much it sucked compared to Vice City and San Andreas

>>719661382
I am an Elder God-Tier Nog, anon. Normal niggers cannot fathom my level of theft.

>>719661159
zesty fingernails
I bet you paint them

>>719650897
you forgot linkin park, evanescence, birthday massacre, and all the other cool JP anime emo bands like Nightmare. Edgy aesthetic was the best. The 2000s was a golden age for young men and people who refuse to see it are doomers.

>>719661518
Like...??That?

>>719661624
>that spike right around 2013
It's official, the Mayans were right.

>>719661491
Goldeneye pretty much did reinvent the FPS though. That's where we went from mostly abstract mazes, and enemies who were basically just moving targets, to grounded tangible levels, and enemies who tried to emulate the behaviour of real people a bit more.
No Goldeneye, no Half Life. Valve have said that much. And then without Half Life, you don't get Far Cry, Fear etc.

>>719661810
Duke Nukem 3D came out in 1996 and had realistic looking maps

>>719661491
pc gaming was tranny shit to play shitty paid mmos and zogbot shooters until 2011 cope lardass

>>719661890
You can't shoot the enemies in particular spots and have them react differently, and they wont run away or try to trigger alarms though.
Plus, the levels are still kinda abstract mazey. They still have big floating switches and hidden Doom doors.

>>719661942
Not sure if udnerage or retarded

>>719661624
>drop during covid lockdowns
looks like that time was a blessing for some because people didn't expect anything from you and everyone was just chilling at home playing games

>>719661942
>pc gaming was tranny shit to play shitty paid mmos and zogbot shooters until 2011
Literally the opposite

>>719661942
100% true, PC troons always hill the most boring dogshit like Warcraft. The entire platform never had a good game until emulators and Japanese publishers started porting their games there

>>719661942
God ran out of souls in the year 2000, you are a meat golem

>>719662510
>like Warcraft
Warcraft became troonshit precisely in late 00s/early 10s tho.

all halo games are shit
sonic is shit after the saturn, (i'll give special pass to sonic jam and sonic r)
the only good jak and daxter was the first one
i have no fucking clue how someone managed to gain the courage of putting gears of war there

>>719661942
>Snoyfags and Xfags are always calling Nintendo and PC gay
>yet it's Sony and Microsoft diving balls deep in fagshit
You XSnoytroons talking about yourselves?

>>719663025 (me)
forgot to mention wind waker is the worst zelda and forever tainted the series into mediocrity

>>719657628
Masculinity issues? No I just thought it looked ugly. I still played Mario games dude.

>>719657628
I was playing Smash, Mario, Metroid, F-Zero, Star Fox, Wario, and GBA. I was expecting Ocarina of Time 2, I got Wind Waker instead. After Nintendo had such a blow out with the GameCube, Wind Waker felt like a big middle finger. This is what we were waiting for?

Why did zoomers ruined video games? Ruining the internet with their ugly ass mutt nigro faces not enough?

>>719663762
WW is better than the hypothetical OOT2 (which you eventually got in TP), because it has it's own identity as a high seas pirate adventure.

>>719660558
It's not because you're getting older, it's because you're in a rut.

>>719657628
cubies shouldn’t be considered human

>>719660129
>No one would be excited for a ps6 announcement because the public feels like they just got their hands on ps5 because of its year and a half long unavailablilty due to scalping
I think you are overexaggerating how much scalpers played a role, I seriously for the first time don't know a single person who owns a PS5 among my normalfag friends mostly because they want it but are waiting for more games or considering going pc.

>>719645072 (OP)
These were all games millenials played

>>719664362
This. How old does OP think millennials are?

>>719664362
>>719664650
everybody knows troonlennials played them
its just your not suitable to critique media
your brain has been warped and estrogenised by only playing nothing but scrimblo bimblos on the nitendo shitxty 4 and being fed corn syrup pizza in your formative years
the sooner you subhumans are extinct the sooner games discussion becomes good again and the industry as a whole can improve instead of trying to appeal to obese crosdressing balding men in their mid 30s

>>719647163
Nah, WW was mocked for years to come for it's dog shit dungeons and Triforce hunt. That's why TP had so much hype - before everyone realized it's WW 2.0 and made it's weakest parts even worse.

>>719645072 (OP)
I have always loved WW, SA2, Jak 2, and Halo 3. You should bear in mind any subject of conversation on the internet is going to attract a vocal minority of autistic people who live specifically for the purpose of voicing their opinion on that subject. Usually it is to hate, sometimes it is to defend from all criticism.

>>719664650
op is retarded
>b-but you're the boomer
>*worships boomercore*
pathetic creature

>>719664950
>your brain has been warped!
>processed to spout the most brain warped shit I've heard all day
Halo just kind of sucks. I'm sorry. It's major contribution to FPS was was making them simpler and less fun.

>>719665232
TP was hyped 100% because it was the "edgy mature" Zelda, that 14 year olds had been pissing their pants asking for, for years.
>blades will bleed! Shields will shatter!
C'mon...

>>719664950
>games discussion
>good
>again
Go play video games instead of talking about them stupid youtuber.

>>719649115
me too

>>719645072 (OP)
Did you time travel here from 10-15 years ago?

>>719663898
TP would have been better without the wolf shit.

>>719661159
trim your nails tyrone, god damn

>>719645184
this

>>719661159
now where's xenogears

>>719645184
>There's an entire grifting YouTube clique of people trying to dunk on it
I can already see some soi standing in front of the camera holding a mic bitching about it already

>>719656054
Why can't you faggots admit there's an overlap? Shitllennials are like spoiled little kids that want everything for themselves, they can't share.
>>719658491
>The oldest zoomers were Like 10 when Halo 3 and CoD 4 came out
So the prime audience for those games, gotcha.

>>719663124
It's okay. I just hate the navigation on the boat, having the sing a song to basically change direction is incredibly slow and annoying

>>719669249
>now where's xenogears

>>719671257
holy BASED. how about DQ5, 6, and 7

>>719645072 (OP)
Notice how the "literal coolest thingever" arrow only points towards FFVII, that's because it's way better than all the other shit posted there (and it isn't even the best FF)

>>719671583
My first DQ was VIII back in 04. I only own that and XI. Young me was put off by 2D beyond Sega Genesis, so I never experienced the older games growing up. Xenogears actually is a "recent" (five years ago) purchase. Pirated it and just needed to physically own it. Snagged it for $40 just before COVID jacked up retro game prices through the fucking roof. Which of those three do you think is the best?

>>719661159
Had all those games. Sold them at some point. Feels bad man. Very bad to think about it.

As a gears of war fan, I never understood all the hate gears of war got. I don’t think anyone ever considered them the greatest games ever made, but compared to other over the shoulder cover shooters, they have so much thought and care and soul put into them. Even the ‘muh brown and grey look’ criticism is weak because every other game at the time was doing that too, and they abandoned that look after the second game. The third game is so colourful.

>>719645072 (OP)
aside from wind waker, all of those do suck total ass and are all for niggers, why are you such a fucking nonwhite nigger?

>>719648326
They’re great games with a lot of love put into them but in all honesty unless you can pick up the games for cheap for a quick run if the campaigns, it’s not worth getting into the series. Every single time a new game is released, multiplier thrives for about a month before everyone stops playing and fucks off back to whatever they were playing before the game released.

>already september
>no big threads about fresh games
>many boring threads
it's really over for video games

>>719675091
it's because cliff brezinski is a talentless hack and the games are droll and tawdry, i get more stimulation from doing my laundry

Sonic adventure 2 does suck. The mech and treasure hunting missions are a pain to play through, and they take up 80% of the game, and while the speed sections might ‘feel’ fun, you’re not doing anything in them beyond holding forward. Seriously there’s barely any platforming or obstacles, and the game might as well have no enemies given how useless they are. Also sonic doesn’t have his iconic shoes in this game. Its love 100% comes from nostalgia. If it release today I’d be a legitimate 1/10 game.

>>719645072 (OP)
Please form your own opinions and stop asking /v/ to form yours for you.

>>719648326
I've played the entries up until Judgement (I had no interest in 4 or 5). I will say that while they were emblematic of that washed out to brown and bloom era of console games, they were fun in their own right as simple but effective titles that were more widely known for the co-op and multiplayer, like most cover shooters and FPS games of the day.

Really I think the fact they lean into bleak atmospheres contrasted against hyperviolent sequences kinda help it. Granted, the cycle of interaction probably isn't enough for anyone now, but I enjoyed curbstomping grubs and using the Longshot for headshots.

>>719645072 (OP)
Wind Waker is the weakest 3D zelda game. It shares many of the same issues as Skyward Sword but without any of the strenghts of SS.

>>719673106
*generic they're all great answer* but I suppose five would be my favorite of those three. They had great remakes on the DS (4, 5, 6, and 7)

>>719669953
>10 year olds the prime audience

that's rich, those faggots were just fodder for the core audience to farm.

>>719645996
OP is a retard, just disregard and move on.

>>719677272
Noted. I'll look into them, thanks anon.

>>719647341
I used to make fun of the "edgy" stuff and characters like shadow and sephiroth but as time went on I've come to appreciate them as a certain type of campy fun.
I guess it was mostly just because of how oversaturated it was back then.

>>719653412
Why would I ever say this? While SA2 has some bad stages that really strain the inconsistent game physics and of course, the worse emerald levels, SA1 is filled with weird sonic stages that feel borderline experimental and slow

>>719654014
Play the old one. The new has a different story and there's a FUCKTON of filler. It's stretching an already long game far beyond what is reasonable.

>>719654014
I love the first entry of the remake but it's clearly set on doing it's own thing and nowhere near a replacement of the original.