Thread 719683690

Helldivers 2 CEO with a reminder

>>719683690 (OP)
What dose it mean when people just stop playing the game then? Or stop using certain parts in game.
It's pretty oblivious what issues are. You don't need to survey whole playerbase to see them.
But seeing that would require you to play your own game and observe behaviour of playerbase and watch when they stop playing.

>CEO is out of touch with a game
Oh wow that is wild.

>>719683951
that's every major shooter idiot
you'd rather be in touch with the silent majority than tryhard streamers or redditor retards
which can be solved by gathering feedback from random players. obviously whatever helldivers is doing is working, too, considering its popularity.

i have no faith in DICE but they sent out a lot of surveys to BF2042 players

It reminds me of all the indie devs that fuck themselves over because they listen to one extremely vocal terminally online faggot in their discord

>>719683690 (OP)
That's true. Devs should ALWAYS ignore the input of streamers. "Content creators" always ruin the games eventually.

>>719683951
doesn't this suggest the opposite?

>>719683690 (OP)
I wouldn't trust the fag devs that sold power creep as dlc in the previous le extra hard game to balance shit period.

Roblox

>>719683690 (OP)
And that's a good thing
Mouth breathing retards and ESPCIALLY streamer faggots with their shit eating hiveminds have ruined gaming
Take a good look at destiny 2 that game is completely dependent on content creators and now it's dead and forgotten just like marathon (concord 2)
Sweden won

>>719683690 (OP)
i can tell everything wrong with a game only playing for like 4 hours

>vocal minority speaks out
>the vast majority thinks it's right because they don't care enough but decide to get upset anyway
>devs concede
>the vocal minority starts to control the narratives
Gaming "communities" are a fucking disaster. Youtubers, streamers, reddits, forums, steam reviews. All garbage fileld with tryhards and no lives who are trying to project power in a fucking video game.

>>719683690 (OP)
>/v/ will say this is bullshit then get mad when devs only get feedback from streamers and metafags

CEO is right.

>>719683690 (OP)
Well fortunately I don’t play silently. I’m always yelling and calling everyone a nigger.

>>719683690 (OP)
He’s right.

>>719684815
Squeaky wheel gets the grease, retard. That's how it works in all areas of life.

>>719684858
based

>>719683690 (OP)
Loved it when I had fun with it. The concept of Helldivers is epic and has the potential to be a major gaming flagship. However it is woefully narrow in scope, pigeonholed into this one little window of gameplay that gets stale. That's how it goes with most games. I'm just saying if it's going to be live service then the scope of it all should be vastly wider, a much much bigger game. There is a ton of potential that is totally unrealized in my opinion. Maybe they will figure it out in Helldivers 3.

>>719685784
if it had a single player campaign i'd probably try it

>>719683872
That's precisely what data analytics (i.e. surveying the whole playerbase) is for.

>>719683951
Are you retarded?

>>719683951
>im a retard
we know

>>719683690 (OP)
and yet they fucked with the balance that first time and ruined the fucking game. Fuck em.

>>719683690 (OP)
Where did this assumption even come from, where you act like the feedback of some 10-100 discord/redditors reflects the entire 20-200k+ playerbase?
I see this happening constantly, devs just listen to some literal whos just because they said something

>>719690502
squeaky wheel gets the grease like another anon said, and polls tend to not help much because all they sample is people that respond to polls, not the actual playerbase. Add on top of that how devs of all stripes tend to be terrible at their own games so players theoretically have a better perspective of balance from the higher skill levels.

>>719683690 (OP)
>why aren't people beta testing our piece of shit for free??
What a goddamn faggot

>>719685784
>The concept of Helldivers is epic and has the potential to be a major gaming flagship.

The idea behind the galatic war could be very engaging IF they gave the playerbase actual agency to do shit. Instead, the Swiggers handled it in the most retarded way possible:

> more active players lower your individual contribution, basically hardcapping how much the playerbase can do per hour
> players who don't to partake in the current mission goals thus sabotage the rest of the playbase who want to reach the goals
> many mission goals are railroaded into the desired outcome of the devs, with some being basically impossible
> Joel has to constantly fuck with the settings if something doesn't go as the devs had wished

Instead of proper planning where goals are set and the playerbase is allowed to do its thing, we get half-baked ideas with unfinished content that had zero QC and are bugged to hell and back.

The Siege of Super Earth is a prime example of that. Defending the cities didn't mean jackshit since the devs had planned their boring showdown in Super Stockholm until the Chinks went out of their way to defend Super Shanghai. Only after the Chinks started reviewbombing the game for Joel's stupid fuckery, the devs bent the knee and let the playerbase change the outcome.

>>719690962
>more active players lower your individual contribution, basically hardcapping how much the playerbase can do per hour
This has to be a thing or else the game would break whenever the playerbase fluctuates.

>many mission goals are railroaded into the desired outcome of the devs, with some being basically impossible
>Joel has to constantly fuck with the settings if something doesn't go as the devs had wished
This is what truly killed it, the complete rugpull VERY early on that none of what we do actually matters because its all predetermined.

>>719683872
>It's pretty oblivious what issues are.
It's only "oblivious" when you actually play the game though. The devs and especially CEOs don't play any of the games they are involved in. Most of them don't play games at all.

>>719684815
>Youtubers, streamers, reddits, forums, steam reviews.
These literally destroyed the internet

>>719683690 (OP)
He's right though.

>>719691223
>This has to be a thing or else the game would break whenever the playerbase fluctuates.
> This is what truly killed it, the complete rugpull VERY early on that none of what we do actually matters because its all predetermined.

Those two things go hand in hand with each other. The cap on progession/hour makes it very hard for player agency to actually matter. There's very little chance for natural clutch comebacks or fun shitstomps where the playerbase comes together to get shit done because it doesn't matter much if it's 10k or 200k players doing the missions. And that's why it requires Joel's constant fuckery.

Blame it on the devs and their lack of vision to let the playerbase shape the galactic war.

meanwhile hoyoshit regularly sends out surveys in their games

>>719683690 (OP)
if we're being honest, you shouldn't take the feedback of someone that plays any live service game

>>719691443
>These literally destroyed the internet
What destroyed the internet is brown people and normalfags getting easy access to it, especially when it's usually with smartphones which practically discourage effortposting and are often used in environments where they want bite-sized content and can't even be bothered to read longer posts. Anything else is a symptom at worst and not a cause.

>>719692447
Yeah, and they ignore everything but the Chink audience, for starters.

Their resistance to add a SKIP button to avoid their AI tier filler slop in all of their games is remarkable.

>>719685784
The problem is you're the game is torn between being serious and being satire. If they lean into the satire by making your guys suck then the game isn't fun.

The RPG Paranoia had the right idea by making the missions the players go on be ridiculous and absurd. But helldivers is confined to being a real time shooter so it's stuck to being slop.

>>719692625
they just added a skip button in HSR tho

>>719684194
We call that schizophrenia

they should have 32 player games, just pure chaos.

>>719692454
>you shouldn't take feedback from the people that play your game
genius

>>719683872
>already have access to full telemetry where they can pinpoint where the users are going and what they're doing
>parasocials with something to lose will use this as a means to push the game towards a direction only they enjoy
>chances of that occurring scales depending on how many little paypiggies they have screaming their names in the comment sections
If this was a PvP based vidya that direction would've already been cemented years ago.

>>719692818
Yeah, and Genshin players have been begging for this shit for years.

>>719683951
He's kind of right though. Helldivers fanbase is quiet as shit.

>streamers are either shills or clickbaiters
>Reddit only allows happy thoughts
Maybe use another way to ask players

>>719693051
>Helldivers fanbase is quiet as shit.
What's wrong with that? You can't expect everyone to be liking and subscribing on every rolling patch update to gauge feedback. Naturally those with nothing better to do will a find a reason to bitch but there will always be a sizable, silent majority that does their thing before moving on. If you aren't playing your own game let alone using multple vectors to work out if stuff is working correctly that's on you. Hire a few brand simps, actually have your company mandated tard wranglers do their job like Reb Ford does or look at the metrics that you should be inundated with by now.

>>719683951
He is right, the playerbase is fucking retarded. They are already yelling for hivelords to be nerfed because bug niggers can't handle difficulty. They can just choose not to play on gloom planets and go do their usual bugdiving.

>>719693051
then what was that sony kerfuffle about

>>719692447
Warframe did a survey earlier this year. One of the sillier things that is getting attention? Modding your weapons. It's getting a whole tutorial mission added to educate players on modding.

If you don't play Warframe, here's why that's silly. Here's a weapon mod. Most are like this. Elemental damage, Critical Chance, Critical Damage, Fire Rate? Almost none of the mods have weird effects until you get into the later game with Galvanized Mods which are meant to fill a weird gap that had Melee weapons being vastly superior to your guns, but they're just "+Damage (Smaller number), +More Damage On Kill For X time (Stacks to much bigger number)"

>>719693914
But how will I know what that mod does unless a tutorial spells it out for me
It says +165% damage but what does that actually mean? I need to consult a wiki for these complex and obtuse systems.

I'm going on a tangent but fuck wikis.

>>719683690 (OP)
Why not just make surveys IN-GAME? You know, gather feedback from actual players, not random reddit/twatter crowd that may not even play the damn game in the first place but will gladly be mad about it somehow?

>>719684725
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/KlPS--VNXgFmAcIi3HiXkA/
Explain what relation Roblox has to the Helldivers 2 quite in the OP, faggotron

>>719683951
As he should be, CEOs shouldn't be even remotely involved with day to day operations

>>719694231
That's unironically what Mihoyo does for their gachas. After literally every event. And they actually include options like "the story was outright bad" / "the gameplay was too easy / too hard" etc. Plus, they reward you with ingame currency for participating. Never understood why western GAAS don't do this.

>>719694076
>I need to consult a wiki for these complex and obtuse systems.

Honestly, that's the best way to go about it. The wiki explains a lot of weird interactions that game does nothing to explain.

Like this. Unlike Elements, Physical Damage (Impact, Puncture, Slash) mods do not add that damage type, only enhances the existing damage. Say you put this Puncture Damage mod on a Hammer that deals purely Impact damage, it will do NOTHING. Now the game doesn't say that, but when you put this one your weapon, you'll notice in the stat display, there is no change to the damage, damage types, or total damage, and you could infer that, but it is one of the things that isn't quite clear and could probably use an explanation.

Or just revise it to function like an Element and add the damage type.

>>719683690 (OP)
I only stopped using my mic because you all stopped using your mics. I always had a good time and was sent friend requests from people that liked playing with me, but then something changed, people stopped verbally communicating with each other.

And I'm not being that one freak that has a mic but is the only one talking. I'll do that for a couple minutes to see if anyones there, but then I'm unplugging if nobody else has a mic.

>>719683951
nice b8

>>719694690
automated banning is what mst likely happened
that and the people who are normal enough to talk moved on to other games

>>719694231
This. I used to play Nikke and in the notifications that would pop up before you hit the main menu it'd show an image of Mary and SURVEY to catch attention. They had good options too like "the character was not sexy enough" or "the plot was uninteresting" and always had a fill your own option too. You also got 300 gems which is 1 roll but is still nice to get rewards for spamming GOOKS pinchy hand at the devs. Maybe the HD2 devs could give some Super Credits for answering a survey that appears in front of your Helldiver as you get onto the ship?

>>719694579
Or just change the wording to "Enhance Puncture 190%"

There's discussion to be had on whether it's ethical or not to market to or cater to players who are so retarded that they can't figure out basic systems on their own.

>>719683690 (OP)
100% correct
Terminally online redditards and twittards are a tiny fraction of any group and their invariably idiotic opinions are near meaningless. They still manage to dictate cultural trends across all of humanity with their schizophrenic ramblings 24/7 though now that everyone reads that bullshit, so that's fun!

>silent majority vs the loud and retarded minority
this is every game fandom ever and devs need to know this and be reminded

>people who actually play games enjoy them and don't complain online 24/7
Brave thing to say in this market.

>>719695073
>They still manage to dictate cultural trends across all of humanity with their schizophrenic ramblings 24/7
They were still doing this before the internet, they just went on tv and radio, and before that they were journalists publishing magazine and newspaper articles, and before that they'd usually worm their way into government and religion. A small percentage of the human race are born zealots, what they get zealous about is largely inconsequential, what's important is that something goes wrong in the brain and they become dangerously obsessive about something or other. In another age, terminally online people would have been burning and lynching people and having the time of their lives doing it.

>>719683690 (OP)
then how about, oh I dunno, you include social interactions inside the game? like forums? or being able to comment on patch notes?

>>719695682
The reach of some random individual tranny is global now. That's a massive difference. Local communities had the ability to be somewhat self policing around culture

>>719683690 (OP)
I mean yeah this isn't a crazy thing to say. The voices actively talking about a game are typically a small minority.

>>719683951
listening to metafags and redditors killed more games than it saved

>>719695365
Okay, where?

You can ask the TF2 fanbase what happens when you listen to a minority playerbase.

>>719683951
But he's completely right.

>>719683690 (OP)
What is it with this retard saying the most obvious shit ever and getting praised for being an in-touch supergenius every time
Is it because he's just very active on social media or what

>>719683690 (OP)
>>719683951
He is not purposefully out of touch.
But there is a very easy fix to this. Forced population surveys. Yes, it's a little annoying, but forcing people to do a little quick feedback survey before they login would fix a lot of games' problems.

Let them open the launcher, or even get to character select, then hit them with a survey they have to fill out before they can continue playing. Take ~5min of your time, improve your own gameplay experience.

>>719694378
Since the vast majority of people silently play, the best feedback is player engagement. Just look at what people are playing and you find out what people want. People want Roblox.

>>719696171
*clicks thru ur survey as quickly as possible so I can play my fucking game instead of you holding it hostage until i give you marketing data*
nice survey fag

>>719696321
The average will be genuine feedback, retards like you will filter out.

>>719696481
>Source: I made it up
It's like you think the majority of people on the internet are still white people

>>719683690 (OP)
>devs shouldn't listen to leftard infested internet bubbles when triyng to guess what would please the actual audience
well, finally a CEO with basic wisdom. I guess he will make money, unlike the others

I thought PlanetSide 2 was dead?

>>719683690 (OP)
This retard is not so retarded after all

>>719696904
They are swedes bro, he mean exactly the opposite of that.

>>719683690 (OP)
If a dev uses reddit for feedback they will go bankrupt and they deserve to.

Reminder that the devs nerfed the arc thrower because they thought it was too strong vs bile titans. This was back when having a PS player in crossplay made the railgun and arc thrower 1shot titans randomly. Instead of fixing the bug they nerfed both weapons into the ground. At one point the railgun couldn't even kill the little bot gunships.

Devs are on a different planet for most games because they refuse to playtest.

>>719683951
>illiterate plebbit niggers instantly on the defenseive
Every single time.

>>719697476
Don't forget when they nerfed fire across the board to make it unusable after releasing a fire pass

>>719697515
Did they EVER fix the bug that made it so fire doesn't work for anyone that isn't the host? I think the dot tick just didn't register.

>>719683690 (OP)
wasn't threr a post where he said he goes to lowsodiumhelldivers (the baby version of the actual subreddit where every bit of criticism of the game is banned) for gameplay balancing?

>>719690962
>IF they gave the playerbase actual agency to do shit
I'd say this is the only major error in their gameplay design right now? Just throw this whole gamemaster bullshit out the window and go back to the organic map campaigns the first game had. As soon as this happens HD2 will be a 5/5 or as close to one as you can get.

>>719696171
No need to make it mandatory. Reward them with a survey cape.

Bam
Everyone will do it

>>719683690 (OP)
Good on him for realizing that.
I feel like games in general are becoming what streamers want to play, and not something regular people who don't get paid to play games want to play. Of course streamers are always being vocal about games needing "quality of life" -features because playing them is a job to them. Getting immersed into a game isn't something streamers are into in general.

>>719684725
>US is the minority of playerbase
burgerbros...not like this.

>>719683951
Majority of people who play games don't voice out their opinions anywhere thus companies have to listen to the "vocal minority" which includes things like Reddit and streamers

>>719683690 (OP)
lmao both groups btfo

Good but I still won't install their shitty spyware virus.

>>719693914
Man kill yourself.
Warframe's modding-system is/was obtuse as fuck despite being a core mechanic in the game.
>b-b-but I'm just talking about the act of slapping cards onto a weapon
It's more than that and you know it.

>>719683690 (OP)
God I hate Sweden
>The game has been broken since release and bloated to almost twice its size for no reason.
>Duh we don't listen to players because they eat the shit we made. Time to go on another break for a couple of months.
I really regret buying this game

>>719698639
How do you expect them to add content without growing the filesize of the game?

>>719698805
What fucking content? How the fuck do two guns and one new enemy increase the game size by more than 10 gb? Game still feels fucking unfinished and repetitive
Don't get me wrong, this update looks pretty good, but it doesn't fix any of the problems the game has since release. This is probably the first update that really feels significant, but the other two factions still suck, and most of the equipment is just useless.

>>719683951
>dev: "we can't rely on discord and reddit"
>faggot: "ugh"