Thread 719902947

What are some actually good metroidvania games? Hollow Knight/Silksong ain't it.

>>719902947 (OP)
Still only Metroid and Castlevania

La-Mulana

axiom verge

>>719902947 (OP)
Super Metroid and Guacamelee

>>719902947 (OP)
Hollow Knight and Silksong.

>>719902947 (OP)
Hollow Knight and Silksong

>>719902947 (OP)
Nine sols
Crosscode

THE GOAT

>>719902947 (OP)
“Metroidvania” is a shitty term that encompasses too many games that don’t really have that much in common. That being said pic related is my favorite outside "le holy trinity"

Play INFERNAX

>>719902947 (OP)
Jet Set Willy

>>719903018
This one's pretty middle of the road. The map design is so-so and the weapon roster could do with fewer, better weapons.

>>719902947 (OP)
Ori, Ender series, Prince of Persia (in spite of Ubisoft)

>>719905885
Proof that more != better

>>719902947 (OP)
Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, Ori, La-Mulana and FEZ. Yes FEZ is actually a good game, despite everything

>>719902947 (OP)
Battletoads

>>719902947 (OP)
Rabi Ribi
Also Hollow Knight is one of the best ones

If you don't like the pinnacle of the genre, you're not going to like the lesser games.

>>719905885
Mogged into irrelevancy by AM2R

guacamelee

>>719906917
>Hollow Knight is one of the best ones
it's not even close, the map alone is absolute ass

night of revenge
holy knight ricca
midnight castle succubus
sinisistar 1&2
order of ecclesia

>>719902947 (OP)
Both Prince of Persia 2d games werent bad even if bit short

Nine souls is ok if a bit hard

>>719906991
I have no idea which game you're talking about

SotN still the only good one.

>>719902947 (OP)
Ori games.

>>719906996
Trvke
Nintendo DMCA'd AM2R because they can't compete with literal fangames

>>719902947 (OP)
That Prince of Persia game in your pic is by far the best one I've ever played. The combat, level design, platforming, and puzzles are all top notch.

>>719908281
SotN isn't even the best Castlevania.

>>719906184
Highly underrated.

>>719902947 (OP)
Batbarian: Testament of the Primordials

>>719902947 (OP)
Metroid Dread is the only modern one worth mentioning that doesn't have any goofy Souls shit in it.
Maybe Bloodstained, too.

>>719902947 (OP)
If you don't like hollow knight the only metroidvania you might like is animal well

It's kino, thank you to the anon that recommended it to me a few months back.

>>719910603
Animal? Well...

>>719905885
Completely inferior to the original game

>>719902947 (OP)
the lost crown was pretty fun, just sucks it will never get any sequels.

>>719905885
>Had such low confidence in the remake that they had to dmca a fangame

>>719906048
Just give up, fren.
We lost this war.
"Metroidvania" will be forever synonymous with "non-linear platformer" regardless of anything else.

>>719912704>>719906048
not a hard term to get down with.
do you search for collectible powerups?
do you platform around and fight?
search-action / metroidvania

>>719912357
i wish more games were about digging

Infernax was good, although some will argue that the game isn't really a "metroidvania" in the traditional sense

>>719912860
Yeah, but all those things are superficial features that many genres have. Is Michael Jackson's Beat It a metal song just because it has a guitar solo in it? Guacamelee and Hollow Knight have basically nothing in common besides some superfitial stuff, and you would not recommend one game to someone who likes the other just because. My point stands.

>>719913268
same

>>719913939
Would I not recommend Farcry to someone who likes Skyrim? my point stands.

Pic on OPs right there is actually really, really fucking good. Prince of Persia The Lost Crown Definitive Edition when on sale is surprisingly well done -and if you are upset about killmonger hair you can easily change his hairstyle to a straight one so you're fine. I'm going to assume that you don't want actual Metroid or Castlevania games, so I'll stick to some others...Also
>Shadow Complex Remastered
a great but somewhat simple metroidvania
>Axiom Verge and Axiom Verge 2
Lean more heavily to the Metroid side, but solid and well made
>Carrion
Do you want to be the tentacle alien for once eating the space station as you slither around air ducts? You do this and more and it works out well.
>Guacamelee Super Turbo Championship Edition + Guacamelee 2
Both are great, include oldfag memes, and have a great traversal + combat setup. To get the true ending it takes some pretty advanced platforming Do NOT get Gold Edition of the first game, its actually older than STCE. Also both can be played co-op 2 or in the second game 4 player!
>Bloodstained Ritual of the Night
Fantastic , a true Igavania and enjoyable. Fuckloads of stuff to do and alternate campaigns too, special modes, other games
>Nine Sols
very well made on Taiwanese lore and stuff. On the harder side as you are expected to souls-like parry though. Worthwhile if you can stick it
>Ori series, both games
Stylish and well done
>Infernax
Nice to see some other anons list it. Its actually a bit different than most metroidvanias and is between that and a very advanced take on Adventure of Link or Simon's Quest, but it stands on its own
>Cave Story, La Mulana, La Mulana 2
These are beyond traditional metroidvanias as they have puzzles and other aspects that are much more difficult than a typical get-the-new-ability-to-progress, but they're good.
>Shinobi
>Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth, RabiRibi, Momodora series
Anime girl MVs
>Guns of Fury
Metal slug + MV
>UnEpic, Ghost 1.0, Pampas and Selene

>>719916576
>killmonger hair
he shouldn't be black in the first place

>>719916576
>as they have puzzles and other aspects that are much more difficult than a typical get-the-new-ability-to-progress
Cave Story does not have any puzzles. Or any difficult progression gates. Infact its as literal as "colour coded keys". Youre talking about a different game that is not Cave Story.

>>719916701
He's not the Prince of Persia. He's one of the Immortals; the Prince is basically missing/in peril and your team of legendary warriors from across the kingdom have to figure out what's going on, find him, and deal with all the magical shit and other Persian mythological fuckery.

>>719902947 (OP)
Prince of Persia Lost Crown is surprisingly really really good, and playing it with arabic dub is extremely soulful.
Luna Nights is still my favourite non-Metroid/Castlevania.
Super Metroid is still the peak of the genre in terms of exploration and atmosphere
And my favourite Igavania is Circle of the Moon

>>719916868
Been awhile since I played, but to get the best weapon you have to keep the pop-gun you start out with despite having the opportunity to throw it away. there are other story bits or ending stuff you can only get if you do the "right" things. I think it qualifies.

>>719903020
SPBP

>>719917071
I think youre stupid and dont know what a puzzle means if you think "thing I couldnt have any REASON to know what future relevant purpose it, has, to be used at the right time" = Puzzle.

Hollow Knight

>>719917253
Your pedantic faggotry isn't helpful. I said OTHER ASPECTS as well that are outside of the typical metroidvania playstyle. Something like Cave Story or La Mulana are outside the typical metroidvania dynamic. Having to do things in certain, non mandatory orders, do things that you may not be aware will lock you out of others, or otherwise is more than
>get red ability to open red door, go to all the areas on the map to 100% the game
which is typically how most metroidvania work

Can I ask for more movement based (idk how else to call them) metroidvanias? Already played all 2d Metroid (except for Dread, though it's the next in line once I finish Silksong), tried Bloodstained but while I see it's a good game, it didn't really fill that itch

>>719902947 (OP)
Ender Magnolia

>>719902947 (OP)
Luna Nights

>>719902947 (OP)
Ori (both), Nine Sols, AoS/DoS/SOTN

>>719917868
Guacamelee Super Turbo Championship edition is a good place to start. The combat is very dynamic and movement focused and the traversal really gets going once you unlock certain momentum effects (ie you can run straight up a wall).

>>719906124
This.

>>719902947 (OP)
This one is ok, I also really liked the second Ori game, but even so, these games pale in comparison to actual Metroid and Castlevania during the DS era.

I liked ender lillies more than magnolia.

>>719917068
>Lost Crown Arabic Dub
Holy shit... do you mean Persian/Farsi? It appears the Arabic version is just text, but the Persian is fully voiced. Hell, I wonder if they went out of their way to make it as one of the primary languages so I wouldn't be surprised if it was designed for it. I'll have to get someone who knows Persian/Farsi to tell me if the dialect is "antiquated" to a degree to fit in the time the game is set - that would be great. Ubisoft can do some stupid shit, but languages, historical settings/mythologies etc..are one of their strong points. That's why that Notre Dame came to Ubi to get their research for AC Unity in order to restore the cathedral itself because the AC team basically 3D scanned the entire fucking thing.

>>719918359
Purely based on aesthetics? Because Magnolia did pretty much everything better.

>>719918486
Yeah, I like magic and medieval settings more than magnilias steampunk. I like the atmosphere and story of lillies more as well.

Lillies has more memorable music for me too. I can remember clearly the opening section of lillies, verboten domain, the abyss, ruined castle and credits years after playing it, whereas I can only really remember like two songs from magnolia half a year later.

>>719918124
Oh fuck, I forgot about Guacamelee, already played both 1 and 2. Is there any difference worth a replay between 1 and the Super Turbo edition?

>>719902947 (OP)
Grime

Speaking of Guacamelee, is Severed ever releasing on pc?

>>719918861
SuperTurbo has an extra zone or two and adds to the lore regarding the 2nd player character, but the big thing I remember was that unlike Gold Edition some of the costumes and stuff were not stuck at the "challenges in hell" and instead were doled out in other ways. I'm not sure if would be worth playing again just for the new stuff, but it was a reasonable amount. If you didn'tr get the good/best ending of Guac1 (that required you get the special items from challenging optional areas. if you had all the pieces and then beat the game, you'd get the best ending) then definitely play STCE if you decide to play 1 again.

>>719919002
So far, doesn't seem so. However I think they should especially with Steam Deck. I think it was launched on Switch and iOS (no Android:?!) for some reason. The devs however are working on a 3D action RPG though called Blighted.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2974160/Blighted/

>>719919336
While I didn't get all the achievements, I did get most of them including all golds in hell. Pretty sure I did do the best ending, also
>>719919495
PS Vita, not Switch. IIRC it used to be a Vita exclusive at release, even

I'll make this simple for you zoomer faggots.
The first game that coined the term "Metroidvania" was Castlevania Symphony of the Night, due to it being a Castlevania game that deviated greatly from the original series and included gameplay elements most prominently from the Metroid series, while still retaining its own unique aspects.
Does the game share many of the gameplay elements of SotN, such as the large sprawling Metroid style map progression, and RPG elements like levels, stats, items, and equipment?
It's a Metroidvania.
If it doesn't have a majority of those combined elements, it's not a Metroidvania, simple as.
Metroid itself shouldn't be considered a "Metroidvania" since it doesn't share many things in common with SotN, it's like labeling a single aspect of what makes a Metroidvania unique the same label itself. It's like calling a sedan an SUV.

>>719913939
I would recomend Bloodstained to someone who liked Hollow Knight. Stop being a semantics arguing retard pretending everyone doesn't clearly know what you mean when you say "Metroidvania". It's not like Rougelite where the actual gameplay side of things can vary widely. Metroidvania is an incredibly specific genre boundry.

>>719908281
>SotN is the only Castlevania I've ever played: the post
Aria of Sorrow is just objectively better.

>>719902947 (OP)
I am playing Nine Sols as we speak and I am really enjoying it.

>>719916576
>no mention of Ender Lilies of Ender Magnolia
Shit list. Both are better than every single one of the games you mentioned.

>>719912064
It was probably me! Some spastic fucker kept calling it "loli guro bait" and then some dildo said, "Oh no, that's not for me!" I recommend this and Rusted Moss to anyone interested in metroidvanias. (I think it's a fine name for the genre and I'm 40-something.)

>>719920296
NTA but I have it on my wishlist but I have too many metroidvania to get through before I start buying more but I will get to it eventually.

Afterimage is 10/10.

Besides obviously Castlevania and Metroid?
Rabi-Ribi is a spectacular and really wild ludo Touhouvania, my fav by far
Yoku's Island Express is a joyful and unique pinball metroidvania
Luna Nights is short but cool as fuck

>>719919743
Ah okay yeah, just give 2 a shot then. Also if you get the DLC there are other playable characters and some of them even have custom dialogs which is a nice touch. To be clear there are 4+ playable characters in the baseline game but some of the enemy bosses from the 2nd and 1st game alike were DLC (Jaguar Javier is perhaps the one most will remember. Though Xtabay is playable by default!) .
>Severed
Ahh yeah thats right it was on other platforms too I think, WiiU / 3DS. I think its a touch screen focus that keeps it from coming to PC but they could overhaul it with a minor improvement and of course anyone with a touchscreen can use the original controls. PC and Android seem to be easy ports.

>>719920095
Ender Lilies / Magnolia
Not sure I'd agree, if you like them that's fine but better than everything else? Yeah GTFO. I didn't list them because the OP mentioned that he didn't like Hollow Knight so I didn't think he wanted too many "Souls-like" metroidvanias too heavily. There are tons of others I could have added because of that, and the few I did like Nine Sols I contexualized it that if its too hard or not the mechanics he wants, he may not enjoy. Ender series, Salt and Sanctuary , etc. The list I had wasn't exhaustive - there are plenty of other good-or-better metroidvanias out there.

>>719920607
Ah btw I haven't played Tevi yet, but I'm sure it must be ludokino as well

>>719920630
>Ender Lilies/Magnolia
>souls like
Oh you're retarded. That explains the dog shit taste.

>>719902947 (OP)
Touhou luna nights was fun imo, the time stop mechanic is nice and the art is cute, plus there's pic related to seal the deal

>>719920712
Yeah the only metroidvania I'd actually say deserves being considered soulslike is Blasphemous and that's only because the game has non existent exploration and platforming.

>>719920630
Just an anon passing by to say I hated HK but I liked Ender Lilies

>>719905859
>>719908134
>>719918069
>>719920070
nine sols is as terrible as HK, replace dodge with a parry and they're the same shit game

>>719920712
YOU are fucking retarded, watering down this thread with unentertaining, unedifying leakage from your blown-out asshole. This isn't high school. Nobody thinks you're cool.

>>719920812
How's the music though? I refuse to play any Touhou game if it doesn't have good Touhou music.

>>719920812
Sold will try it out

>>719903020
sippidybippidy

>>719920942
excellent

>>719906048
>trinity
What's the third?

Ori, 1 and 2 are both great games.

Astalon Tears of the Earth is incredible. A fast almost ARCADE Metroidvania of huge size with early Falcom chibi stuff going on in the graphics.

>>719921091
looks like a game from 1985
pass

>>719921005
Nice

I beat Ori 2 about a week before Silksong and that game was 100% more FUN to play. So I guess that one.

>>719920296
it is loli guro bait tho

>>719920712
What the fuck are you on about? It has
>the whole fucking aesthetic, but lets not even bother with that
>Many enemies have a very "TITLE PERSON" or "PERSON, THING OF THING"" naming style popularized in the Souls series
>Requires either roll/dodge or parry contingent combat, often partnered with longer enemy attack chains in a way that many other older metroidvania did not. Overall higher difficulty.
>Has "respite" spots where you heal, equip things and do other business and once you go away from them all the enemies nearby respawn
Much of those qualify as "soulslike" especially when stuck together. If anon didn't like Hollow Knight because it was too hard or had those other mechanics, then why would I suggest Ender series or others similar?
>>719920873
>Blasphemous
Eh, there was still some exploration and the like and it wasn't known for platforming challenges, but the souls-tropes and difficulties were why I didn't put it on the first list.

>>719920921
Okay. Its not a bad game or anything,I could only fit so many on the post and was keeping mostly away from stuff OP claimed not to like. Did you like Blasphemous series? How about Nine Sols? Or was it just HK that didn't click for some reason?

>>719921326
>>the whole fucking aesthetic, but lets not even bother with that
>>Many enemies have a very "TITLE PERSON" or "PERSON, THING OF THING"" naming style popularized in the Souls series
>>Requires either roll/dodge or parry contingent combat, often partnered with longer enemy attack chains in a way that many other older metroidvania did not. Overall higher difficulty.
>>Has "respite" spots where you heal, equip things and do other business and once you go away from them all the enemies nearby respawn
Yep, retard

>>719920873
Ninja Gaiden: Ragebound was very mid but the bosses were decent. Is it worth a try? Does it have good upgrades?

>>719913939
Guacamelee and Hollow Knight have more in common with one another than they have in common with something like Super Mario World, and all three of those games are action based games in which you platform in.

>>719906996
He didn't say anything about Super Metroid, though.

>>719902947 (OP)
I've only played Afterimage and Ender Lilies so now I can't play any MV that doesn't have an anime girl as it's protagonist.

TLC that you posted has GOD tier combat and platforming, it's just a shame it's unironically too easy. Also pretty mediocre ost, story, characters and a bit short on interesting bosses.

this is my goty so far, one of the best metroidvanias in recent years

>>719902947 (OP)
Hollow Knight and Silksong.

my first entry into the genre ruinedi t for me
metroid dread was just too good

dawn of sorrow
portrait of ruin
order of ecclesia

>>719925938
I liked Dread a lot more than I thought I would, considering the mechanics seemed like it would be slopified. Super Metroid is still superior though

>>719926515
I went back and played all of the metroid games after I beat Dread. many good times were had. super, zero mission, fusion.

Team Ladybug has never made a bad Metroidvania.

>>719925938
>>719926515
Still amazed at how well Bread turned out. Really lives up to Super and Zero Mission.

technically not a metroidvania but it is a platformer with combat and a labyrinthine map with lots of treasures to find
i say it's worth a try just cause of kirby

>>719905885
Mercurysteam employee at least post Dread

>>719907528
Name three (3) games of the same genre with better maps.

>>719902947 (OP)
I have "popular... BAD!" fatigue.

>>719902947 (OP)
Iji

>>719902947 (OP)
Toehoe Luna Nights

>>719927795
super metroid, sotn, aria of sorrow. I could go on but I know you haven't even played these 3, and they're the most basic bitch ones

>>719902947 (OP)
Ender Lillies was kino with a perfect aesthetic, haven't played the sequel because the new girl is ugly.

>no mention of child of light nor cave story.

everyone itt needs to be hanged

Metroid Fusion

>>719905789
>>719905842
We get it, samefag troon

was ender lilies good? how about the sequal? or is the sequal just a cash grab?

any more grimdark or dark fantasy "metrovania" ?

A robot named fight

>>719902947 (OP)
That japanese one where you play as a girl and the dev had a drowning fetish

>>719930143
Yes, both are excellent. I actually like Magnolia a bit more and I hope they continue the Ender series.

>>719930143
Haven't played the sequel yet but from what I've heard and seen online it's a good sequel improving on almost every aspect of the original.
Ender Lilies is one of the best MVs ever made and if you ask me also just one of the best games ever made.

>>719929960
IS this a metroidvania? I thought it was some kind of turn based rpg

>>719908002
Based

>>719902947 (OP)
Rabi Ribi
Touhou Luna Nights

>>719902947 (OP)
I'm tired of games with no equipment choice being called metroidvanias instead of just metroid clones.

This game is actually very good.

Since there's so many Luna Nights mentions: what do you guys want in Luna Nights 2 which the studio teased on twitter?
I want a game based on PCB characters since Sakuya is playable there, and I want Yuyuko, Yomu and Yukari boss fights

>>719903018
Axiom Verge is the middest of the mid, imo. It's not *bad* but theres nothing really special about it.

Nobodys brought up Environment Station Alpha. It's a good game that goes fucking nuts with post game content. I dont want to spoil anything but it's very much worth a play. Animal Well is also good.

Why am I the only person on earth who thinks Dread looks ugly? It literally looke like an NRS fighting game like InJustAss. It's like kitsch mixed with edge. Shit does not mix.

>>719920927
Someone got filtered. It is one of the all time best Metroidvanias, up there with Ori. Far surpasses Hollow Knight in both mechanics, style, story, and art. Nigger.

>>719902947 (OP)
I been interested less and less in 2d metroidvanias after discovering 3d metroidvanias

Astalon
La Mulana 1 + 2,

>>719902947 (OP)
i really liked rusted moss. most games in the genre i find bland, very little innovation or variation on the formula. even though i enjoyed hollow knight andd blasphemous i recognize that both of them don't really push the envelope and are more just very competent executions of more of the same. but in rusted moss, the simple fact of adding a grappling hook and 360 degree aiming really opened up possibilities for design. definitely worth checking out.

>>719931881
I'm not much of a Touhou guy. I bought the game because it looked good and I like white haired maids. I really enjoyed the time control powers in combat and also really ended up liking the "graze" mechanic. The boss difficulty also felt "just right" to me, they weren't push-overs but at the same time weren't insanely hard or unfair feeling. Fighting them was fun and rewarding.

If they make a sequel and keep the fun gameplay then I'm sure I'll like it.

>>719902947 (OP)
>ain't it

>>719919768
the rpg elements of sotn are absolutely not required retard. the vania part just takes into account its map design and upgrade backtracking gameplay

>>719934004
can always tell the faggot contrarians who think being negative will get them a gf apart by their opinion of hk and nine sols. hk = bad cuz popular, nine sols = good cuz it's not as popular and it's le /v/core. what a braindead retarded take. kill yourself

>>719934597
I genuinely don't care what anyone thinks about Nine Sols. It is a great game. Gorgeous and reminds me of Stargate SG1. Also I'm married so no need for a girlfriend.

>>719920018
>Anus of sorrow
Open Beta for portrait of ruin

I must be a fucking lunatic for playing nearly every MVs I owned on the joystick but it just feels more comfortable on my thumb than using it on the d-pad

>>719902947 (OP)
>out now
Ori (both), Axiom Verge (both, more Metroid than vania), Guacamelee (both, especially if you have a friend for co-op), Nine Sols (chinese stargate), Metroid Dread (and Super Metroid/Fusion if you can handle retro), RabiRabi (if you need cute/coom/bullet-hell in your metroidvania), Castlevania (Aria of Sorrow & SoTN), Luna Nights (best Touhou and superb metroidvania, just a bit easy imo), Bloodstained RoTN (if you can get over the hideous 3D shit), Cave Story+ (a classic but not for everyone), Prince of Persia TLC (if you want more of a combat focus and significantly more casual exploration/platforming), Animal Well (yes really, genuinely exceptional, just 10 dollars overpriced), Sundered (if beauty is a requirement then this cannot be missed, stunning art), Momodora (great, has a little T/A and if you're a huehue you can flex your national pride here), and Blasphemous (both, these aren't perfect by any stretch and 2 fixes most of my problems with 1, but there just isn't much out there with this style and art, it is one of a kind). Missing tons but those are just the ones that stand out immediately in my mind.
>not yet out
Upcoming potential instant classic: Possessor(s) (if you missed the next fest demo I feel bad for you, maybe it will come back next month).

>>719934838
Nah, I do joystick on some, d-pad on others and keyboard on a couple. Just depends on what is needed. Really platform focused shit I just use analog, 8-way firing metroidvanias I use d-pad and ones with bullet hell style bosses I just use a keyboard. The important thing is you have exquisite tastes by being a metroidvania enjoyer. Whatever works man.

Monster Sanctuary.

>>719930143
Ender Lilies is incredibly boring. The lame soundtrack in particular made me quit.

Dread is my favorite of what I’ve played. Excellent platforming movement and level design, really well paced, and fun combat. Great to have a modern metroidvania that doesn’t inflate the playtime and have a bunch of boring lore drops as “rewards”, currency and vendor tedium, and rpg lite mechanics.

>>719903018
That's not a Metroidvania, that's a Metroid-like, retard. Any game with a gun is a Metroid-like, and that includes A Robot Named Fight, Environmental Station Alpha, and Axiom Verge among others.

what do you guys think of Ultros?

>>719935726
punny purple squid

Both Ori and rain World.

>>719936094
rain world is not a metroivania, troon

>>719902947 (OP)
As a pokefag I like Monster Sanctuary

>>719936403
Sure, if you say so.
but why are you being so mean??

Within A Deep Forest

>>719936750
Nothing, they are both extremely high quality indie games

>>719906991
The world would be a better place if zoomers all vanished.

>>719934004
It's barely a metroidvania. It's a linear sidescroller with some token backtracking. You have no meaningful choices in stage order because the necessary movement upgrades are gated by the story.

>>719921009
Hollow Knight

>>719902947 (OP)
Ori and the will of the wisps
https://youtu.be/ClCW2A1355A?list=RDClCW2A1355A&t=268