Thread 719907171

Games should be FUN, not IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT

>>719907171 (OP)

They're right though

I fucking knew this would happen
Every time the mainstream audience catches wind of a game that doesn't play itself and isn't a movie they then spend weeks crying about the difficulty

>>719907428
Name THREE other times this has happened

My only complaint so far is how long it takes before you get weapon upgrades despite all the upgrade stones you can find beforehand

>>719907428
>i knew thing would get wet if water touched it
WOW YOU'RE SO LE SMART BRO !

70% of players haven't even beaten greenpath hornet in the first game.

Just like HK, it should start you off with at least the dash. It does the same things bad that HK did, but worse.

>>719907507
Elden Ring (remember the initial reviews crying about tree sentinel lmao)
Elden Ring Nightreign (same as above)
Khazan

>>719907428
It's harder than the first. Enemies deal twice the damage.

>>719907507
dark souls

>>719907507
elden ring
lies of p
mario the lost levels

99.9% of games being braindead easy isn't enough. These subhumans want 100%.

what is with these bot threads

> Silksong is SUPER POPULAR HAHAHA WE GOT 500K PLAYERS!
>> Everyone stopped playing or refunded it becuase of how unfun it is

Yawn.

>>719907171 (OP)
I hate the Modern Audience so much it's unreal.

>>719907573
Honestly this and the retarded vertical pogo jump.
I don't understand why they changed it from the basic but perfect "attack down to bounce off enemies and certain traps" to DURRRRRRRR GUESS I'LL KILL MYSELF BECAUSE I WAS A CENTEMETER OFF THE BOUNCE DIRECTION!

>>719907171 (OP)
Its Okay when Roll-Slop does this

If I was the dev Id update it and make it harder

>>719907507
I only need to name one that to this day still filters causal /v/ shitters so hard that the sequel had to be about standing in place and blocking
DOOM Eternal

>>719907171 (OP)
>6 reviews
>out of 24 thousand
I think we're fine.

>casuals got tricked into buying a hard game from hype
You love to see it.

>>719907171 (OP)
maybe for a casual it's hard but for me it seems perfectly balanced. they should play something else if they don't like it.

>>719907652
It's not as bad since Hornet's base speed is already equivalent to sprintmaster and you get dash quickly. No idea why you would act like it's worse.

>>719907428
To be fair, Team Cherry did outright state the Silksong would be "accessible to newcomers", and yet it's way harder than HK. There's mandatory bosses in ACT 1 that are harder than Nightmare Grimm was.

>>719907171 (OP)
All these tourists need to fuck off from my hobby

>>719907823
You get the old pogo later. Stop blaming the game for your own motor defects.

>>719907802
>everyone stopped playing
>401,000 ccu in the middle of the workday

This is making me want to play the games actually
I never had any interest in HK before

>>719907427
Then they and you can go play the thousands of other games that hold your hand through the whole "experience"

>>719907947
The Judge isn't as hard as NK Grimm was.

>>719907980
No, no I will not stop.

I havent playeda platformerthis hard since like the first megaman lol. Needless to say I thought it would be a baby game due to the notoriety but I am pleasantly surprised.

>>719908009
>in the middle of the workday

Yeah you terminally online Silksong players who stole $20 USD from your mom are known for working LMAOOOOO

Why don't we see in a few days how the achievements for finishing the game look? Hollow Knight had less than 10% of its players finishing that shit lmaooo

>>719907428
Game is objectively harder than the first. Ai plays like absolute cunts. Baseline mobs can have movesets on par with bosses, take 8 hits to kill, parry stances, mobs deal double damage with only 5 hp and pogo moves at an angle instead of down. Its clearly designed for experts at hollow knight.

>>719907171 (OP)
what bosses are they talking about?

>>719908060
Refund it then nigger.
You have 0 (zero) chance of beating the game.

>>719907924
The funny thing is the game really isn't much harder. Enemies deal more damage but to make up for it Hornet is way more agile and you immediately have a bunch of ranged options. People just aren't using their tools, despite the resource to repair them being abundant as fuck, and aren't using their silk. You also instantly heal 3 masks now instead of 1 and Hornet can do it in the air. Retards are just trying to brute force the game and tank damage instead of playing safe or evading.

>>719908085
Same

>>719908092
Seething and coping, not a good look.

>>719907171 (OP)
none of these people played the first game lmao. it's pretty much an identical difficulty curve if not even easier. 99% of complaints come down to you blind bastards not being able to figure out the angled dive which is much more OP than the straight down from the first game and makes many fights laughably easy.

>>719908139
You stupid faggot, I've already made it past the ant section. Learn to take the critique.

>>719908104
Probably the moth, that seems like a casual filter

Or maybe the red chad with the club in the cave xdd

>>719907171 (OP)
Why do devs keep designing games to be literally impossible to win?

>>719908191
> Y-YOU ARE SEETHING AND COPING US SILKCHADS WON

The game is so bad all its shills would rather have it opened in the back so it counts for Steam chart and Steam hour counter while shitposting in 4chan, reddit or discord than actually playing lmao

Imagine a game being so bad people just wanna be part of its community and get some clout instead of actually enjoying it.

>>719908247
you will never beat the game

>>719907924
The frustration they feel is kind of like the frustration I feel anytime I play a modern Nintendo game. Get a taste of it, faggots: the game wasn't designed for you.

>>719908223
only boss that was tough was the last judge until I realised it's dream state fake knight

>>719908254
to humiliate you

>>719908049
2nd phase Widow is, Judge is weirdly easier in spite of being a later fight - she's just annoying because of the run back.

>>719908285
It just came out tranny, we both know you haven't beaten it yet either.

>>719908223
this is the truth. I use the dive constantly

>>719908247
>I'm unskilled and can't do it
>please add a tard wrangling mode
Your problem
No refunds

>>719908273
>tranimals
no wonder you suck at videogames

>>719907619
take those metrics with a grain of salt.
i beat hollow knight on basedwitch but own it on steam because it was $3.

>>719908360

Nobody will beat it, look at Hollow Knight steam achievements, nobody kept playing past the intro lmao.

>>719907171 (OP)
Not gonna play Silksong for a while due to unrelated reasons, but I will highly respect the devs for releasing a sequel balanced around players who finished the first game instead of FOMO'd posers and casualfags.

You know what game is probably too hard? Nine Sols. But I love it still.

>>719907171 (OP)
i never played the first hollow knight, and i'm not going to play this one either, but there are handicapped retards who only like story games that are impossible to fail in, reviews like this are to be expected
also picrel, looks like they are a minority here, must be an easy game

>>719908382
> Y-YOU SUCK AT VIDEOGAMES!!!
>> Keeps shilling Silksong in 4chan instead of playing it.

Game that boring huh?

>>719908223
The beginning of hollow knight is way easier than the beginning of silk song. I think people are just thrown off be how challenging it is from the first couple areas

the most frustrating thing about this game is no EDINO when thread storming

>>719907171 (OP)
Giving up at a fucking VIDEOGAME is pathetic.

>>719908393
this is the case for literally every video game.
>>719908403
it's easier retard

>>719908472
>still posting tranimals
>still posting AIslop
>still shit at games

enemies have too much health. it's tedious. bosses haven't been too bad except savage beastfly is a piece of fucking shit.

>>719908379
I already said I made past the ant section. The pogo jump is still fucking stupid, full stop, Hornet isn't going to suck your dick because you defend her form anon who makes a few criticisms of le gayme design.

>>719908543
you literally need to get better and take more chances

>>719907171 (OP)
casuals should go back to their wife and wife's boyfriend children

>>719908572
you’re going to suck at the game tho

>>719907171 (OP)
Why do people who don't like video games keep playing video games? They're ruining it for the rest of us.

>>719908623
But I'm already good at it thougheverbeit?

>>719908541

I'm sorry Silkshong sucks :(

>>719907171 (OP)
I have no problem with the difficulty of the game.
For me the issue is that its literally just more of Hollow Knight and Hollow Knight was boring and feels like shit to play. Everything is so slow. At least in Silksong you get a proper dash, but it still sucks.
I wouldn't even mind not having a dash right away if you could still move at a decent pace like you can in something like Super Metroid.

This isnt the kind of game I can play while withdrawing off opioids is it

>>719908661
It just made you so upset you’re literally crying about it and how shit you are

>>719908657
it's a normie hobby now, they have to do it to fit in

>>719908572
>full stop
Lol
Lmao
You will meet Widow and ragequit the game for good, terminal stage skill issue

>>719908097
>sequel to hollow knight expects players to be good at hollow knight

I am the best player in the world at Hollow Knight and I hereby officially decree that Silksong is too difficult.

>>719908804
No you're not.

>>719908804
you aren’t the best player though you’re one of the worst actually

>>719907171 (OP)
i suck ass at this game but it's better for being as hard as it is

>>719908736
Except I'm not and didn't? You giving me endless (you)s because anon says things about game you don't like isn't akin to crying.

>>719907427
This unironically, it's not difficult in a fun way it's totally tedious with the run backs and shit

>>719907507
Expedition 33 unironically
Armored Core 6

>>719908936
except you are and you didn’t and this isn’t reddit nigger

>its not hard it’s just tedious
classic

>>719907427
they arent
you are super mobile compared to hollow knight

>>719908595
play more aggressively you mean? it's not like i'm dying to regular enemies, it just feels like they take 5 more hits than they should.

>>719909021
>except "continues projecting"
Stop crying about people critiquing le gayme, faggot.

these games are always to hard nobody can beat them, even hornet is imposible in hollow knight shes bullshit and stupid hard.
garbage game masked by artificial dificulty

>>719909135
I’ll just keep laughing at you for being shit and a nigger

>>719908996
Why are you running back if it's not hard? Surely you should be winning first try.

>>719909197
And I'll keep keking at you seething like a retard.

>>719907171 (OP)
It's easier than the first game, though. You know, the one always they tell everyone they really like.

>>719909110

Being mobile doesn't fix the game being a boring metroidvania lmao

>>719909239
>And I'll keep crying at you being good at games unlike a retarded nigger like me

>>719909157
just stop getting hit
taking damage is consensual
just say
>no i do not want to take damage
it is that easy

>>719909297
But I'm already good at the gayme, retard-kun. The Pogo jump change was a retarded mechanic change, you seething over this doesn't change that fact, you silly faggot.

they're nerfing this game twice before i even buy it aren't they

>>719909448
>The Pogo jump change is filtering my retarded shitter nigger ass
concession accepted

>>719907507
Bannerlord.
>what how did that bandit kill me im the hero
>why do i not feel very strong this game sucks
>tournaments shouldn't be this hard, they probably inflate enemy hp by 1000% percent
>they should learn a lesson from dynasty warriors

My little spider frens guard and keep watch while I rest.

What a beautiful little detail in a beautiful game.

>>719907171 (OP)
get filtered

pogo jump is ass, everything doing damage that will kill you in three hits in ass, me thinking that hunter's march was normal progression is partially my own fault but partially 'why the fuck would I think it's optional, it's a new area that I unlocked from a boss that wanted me to have the dash, which I first unlocked'

>>719909016
>Expedition 33
how the hell
the game has an explicit story mode difficulty

>>719909690
filtered

>>719909520
>filtering
More projection, retard-kun. I've already made it past the ant section. I know this is a hard concept for retards to grasp but past experiences can still present current grievances' held from playing the game. The new Pogo jump is just plain stupid, especially since old Pogo was perfect.

>>719909741
The ant section is piss easy
Why are you bragging holy shit

>>719909741
refer to>>719909520

>>719909458
hopefully

>>719909845
Refer to>>719909741

>>719908016
just play SOTN

>>719909881
didn’t read but I accept your concession

>>719909820
It's the primary section that uses the moveset. Which is the whole point.

>>719909914
that game is braindead

how hard is this game for someone who played most classic mega man + castlevania games

>>719907171 (OP)
you guys were crying THAT HARD about this guy? have you got no pattern recognition at all? two attacks, that's it. either walk forward or jump back. of you've never played hollow knight, you need to uninstall your pirated copy of silksong immediately

>i-i didn't read but here's more free (you)s
Kek!

>if I say I beat the ant section I won’t look like a seething shitter
we get it shitter

>>719909982
if you've beaten them you won't have any trouble

>>719909982
Good, I like both of those series, if you can deal with those games you’ll be fine

>>719907171 (OP)
Imagine being so much of a loser that you let a game beat you

>>719910017
picrel

>if I pretend anon's angry, he won't notice how much I've been seething
Lmaoing at this, retard-kun!

>>719910017
>>719910147
people had trouble with the room containing 2 of them

wait how do you strike down with the needle?

>xhe thinks (You)s are upboats
kwab

>>719909982
I've played a few Castlevania and beat Hollow Knight, this game is unironically too hard for me where it's simply not fun.

>i-i'm not mad ;(
>spends whole thread giving me free (you)s because anon critiqued gayme
Top Zozzle

>>719907891
lol true.
In Souls games you can grind and get away with anything but not in DE.

>>719910202
no they had trouble with one (1) singular

>>719907171 (OP)
This shit really is a DLC.

>>719910320
>few Castlevania and beat Hollow Knight
He was asking the real gamers lil zoomie

>>719910202
You can cheese these guys.
>>719910453
Is the game short? Feels like a bigger game than HK so far.

is this game a bigger dick kick than Mega Man 9, which i just finished and am still sore from?

>>719907171 (OP)
Hollow Knight fans playing the game for the first time, I see.

>>719907171 (OP)
Further proof using the term "sweat" outs you as a shitter who should find another hobby.

>>719910607
MM9 is a baby game compared to this lmao

>>719908092
You lost lmao

>>719910636
Dont fuck with us silksong fans, weve never played the first game

>>719910506
it's way bigger than HK

>>719910701

What did i lose?

>>719910823
your soul

>>719910823
your anal virginity

>>719909016
>Armored Core 6
The amount of people who got filtered by the helicopter and Balteus was hilarious. Shame they nerfed Balteus later though.

>>719910823
your car keys

>>719910823
the game

>>719911335
>>719911293
>>719910926
>>719910857

Silksong took all those things from me?

>>719911251
>Expedition 33
I don't understand, isn't it turn based but with dodge mechanics mixed in? How is it hard?

yeah I agree

I had the same feeling for hollow knight

it's all basically artificial difficulty. dragging out what should take 5 minutes to 15 minutes in every possible aspect.

having to buy a compass and take up a slot when it's a genre free default feature is so symbolic of what this game is

The difficulty is great. I love it. It makes traversing the world actually a challenge rather than just whacking a couple braindead enemies on the way to the next boss. I don't think TC is the kind of dev to nerf the game because of a few vocal complainers, but if they do I have a GOG installer for the original version backed up.

>>719911427
So far every other yellow gadget is worthless. But i'll give you the benefit of the doubt since I only have two so far.

Why the fuck is it so hard just to climb up a platform
I lost 300 rosaries just because Whatsherface fucking refused to climb up a basic platform I was clearly high enough for.

My only complaint in regards to difficulty is the crest system. The new move sets include different versions of the downward diagonal stab. Am I really expected to learn several different ways of doing that, each with a different angle and different timing? So far almost every area has required some pogoing.

>>719907171 (OP)
Good. Maybe they should stick to movie games.

>>719911427
There is no such thing as artificial difficulty
Shitters invented that term

>>719907171 (OP)

game is extremely tedious
>no return to base makes exploring a boring backtrackfest
>some bosses can kill you in 2 hits
>horrible collision where you are dying from jumping into them while they aren't striking
>no checkpoint by those hard bosses
>run back to boss is a bunch of bullshit

Have a hard boss, put a checkpoint in front of it, stupid ass design not to

>>719909016
Expedition 33 wasn't hard though. Its one of the only JRPGs Ive played where I was able to demolish the superboss without having to go full grind autism. I guess it wouldve been hard if I restricted certain things?

>>719911638
I would only ever use beast crest for boss fights, not exploration.

>>719907427
This unironically

>>719907507
have we already forgotten the shitstorm nightreign caused amongst casuals?

>>719907427
/thread

>>719909016
Kek I still remember the memes about the helicopter boss fight
>WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP GET FILTERED GET FILTERED GET FILTERED!!

>>719907171 (OP)
Not every video game should be beatable by commoners.

anyone know how I get here/resolve this? I have done everything else in act 1

>>719907171 (OP)
Pirat nation is a faggot also most players just fell for the meme without even trying the first one so yeah its normal

>>719912429
Follow the path from Shellwood that you can see on your map leading back in the direction of Bellhart. There's a boss. Use the Shellwood bench.

>>719907171 (OP)
Filtering millions with only 2 attacks

>>719912778
i thought i had done that, this is the solution. thanks anon

the only contention i have with the difficulty is that getting hit while you're healing shouldn't both cancel your heal and waste your silk
like come on, that's just not necessary

>>719909982
Its much harder.
classic flying enemy
>either a obstacle you have to jump over or destroy or something that threatens you if you progress while it's still alive
>tricky to hit since most classic games only let you attack horizontally
>take 2 hits to die so if you do hit them you can take them out reasonably fast
>attacks are weak but you get limited healing throughout a level so its still modestly dangerous, worse if there's pits

meanwhile your indie metroidvania flying enemy
>much trickier to hit since they're more mobile to compensate for the player's mobility
>take a minimum of 3 standard attacks to kill
>deal 1/5 of your life for damage because you can heal but healing takes 9 attacks to do and benches to heal are limited

If you're coming from retro games Silksong is just going to feel bad. Even if your mobility is higher common mobs take forever to kill compared to an old game

>>719912859
the real great filter is Widow

you COCK SUCKER BOSS there is no tell it can explode and kill you and you dont get credit

last judge more like troll judge, but I got it and ran a mile away to be safe. fun game but journos will never beat it.

>>719908779
Man, Resident Evil 9 is going to be the hardest game in the history. It's a sequel to a sequel to a sequel, etc, and each next one is supposed to be harder and harder, because that's what sequels expect from players.

>>719912930
why not though? the game does everything it can to encourage players to lean into attacks instead of defensive play, and only a complete fool would attempt a heal giving their enemy an opportunity attack

>>719908390
Did you download it on steam and play it for a bit? Otherwise you won’t appear in that statistic.

>>719908163
>despite the resource to repair them being abundant as fuck
Say that again when you run out trying to beat a boss.

>>719913243
this comparison would only make sense if the next game were called Resident Evil 8 -2, because in this scenario we have Hollow Knight, and Hollow Knight Silksong.

>>719908049
NK Grimm was hard?

>>719913260
the game already punishes mistakes with 2-3 masks of damage per boss attack
it doesn't need to punish even further by wasting your skill resource because you failed to find a gap in the boss's patterns

>>719913412
the game is free to "punish" you however it feels like, if it wants you to attack and dodge, then it might as well deal have your health and cancel your heals.

>when a game's only quality is that it's hard so you can brag about how you beat it to your bug loving friends

Is FromSoft to blame for this?
Symphony of the Night is arguably the easiest metroidvania out there yet it's beloved and many people's favorite

>>719907171 (OP)
They're right though.
HK/SKONGSONG are audiovisually beautiful games, that sadly don't reach many people because of their tryhard artificial difficulty and lack of direction or context.

can i just say these bombs fucking rock? really glad i found these

>People were really good at our old game, how do we challenge returning players?
>Let's just give the bosses twice as much health and make them do twice the damage.
>Isn't that, like, the definition of artificial difficulty?
>...
>But what about the runbacks? If we're making the bosses harder, shouldn't we make it less of a chore for players to get more attempts in, like we figured out with warriors' dreams in our last game?
>No, in fact we should keep the long runbacks, sometimes requiring elevators that they have to wait for, and litter the paths with enemies and spikes so players have to risk wasting their resources just to get another chance at the boss.
>...
I'm not a casual. I can beat this thing. Back to Widow attempts.

Hollow Knight was incredibly easy until soulsfags started invading the steam forums which pissed off the devs so they made Godmaster out of spite and then the same soulsfags complained the new content was too hard for them

>>719913493
>Is FromSoft to blame for this?
Yes. I like their games, but most of their fans are the worst.

shazam lost and for the next decade zhe will bring up fromsoft in unrelated games

my main complaint is that this game has become an autoclicker for me. so many rosaries are asked so constantly I keep coming back to this area, kill 2 enemies, get my 10 rosaries, sit at the bench and repeat. i either do that or risk having this >>719911527 happen to me and it actually mattering for my progression

>>719913331
That's the standard naming standard for sequels or any games in the same franchise/universe. Zelda games, for example. The lack of number doesn't mean it's directly connected to the previous game or requires people to be expert in them.

>>719913665
nigger what is this picture, a shot of area 51 from 1992?

>>719907171 (OP)
it doesn't seem that hard to me, just seems like hollow knight

what am I missing

>>719913806
A brain.

widow's moveset feels a lot like that grim boss in HK's dlc

>>719913665
are you guys really this bad at the game? if you're seriously so worried about losing rosaries then just turn them into necklaces

>>719913849
maybe you're just bad at videogames

>>719913493
I love the Souls series but I fucking despise how they keep upping the ante with every game in order to maintain their status as 'hard games for real gamers.'
Some of the shit in SotE was just ridiculous. At some point fun has to come first.

>>719907171 (OP)
Is this the same case of Elden Ring where retardos still obssess over rolling and parrying when the game offers vastly easier ways to handle ALL content like Blocking & Facetanking?

>>719913721
look i tried taking a screenshot but pressing R1 R2 and the steam button zooms the image and hides the map, so phone photo it is

>>719913493
>michael zaki is responsible for games still being fun engaging challenges and not just gacha skinner box sissy hypnosis simulators
I FUCKING KNEEL

How would I want to come home from a long day's work to play a hard and punishing game? What kind of loser does that?

Should have waited for reviews.

>>719913957
>fun has to come first
Not anymore. Games should be impossibly hard so you can brag about beating them to online strangers.

>>719913412
I've been killed from full health from getting hit once to 2 different bosses because there is only 2 i-frames after being hit
Mistime dodge from Fourth Chorus slam, get hit, can't dodge or jump and fall in lava which needs to do 2 damage for some fucking reason, respawn puts me under a falling rock which hits me before I even have control of Hornet
Greymoor Bird boss I accidentally pressed jump too quickly so I short hop instead of full jumping the charging swoop, get hit backwards into where it has now thrown a saw before I can move at all, hit by saw, knockback sends me straight into the path of the bouncing return saw from its attack before the swoop and die.

Shit is way overtuned and I'm not really even struggling compared to others. There has not been a single boss that has taken me more than 3 attempts, but I'm not having fun at all.
There is no fucking reason the Thorn Sister or whatever its called needs to have summons that also do 2 damage.

>>719912859
He's a nightmare if you fight him before getting dash and trivial once you have it.

>>719913806
It's strictly harder. From the very beginning bosses have double damage, all mobs take more hits to die.

>>719907657
holy fuck
name
NOW

>>719908541
>Tranimals
Y-you can't just put tra in front of anything you dislike

>>719909224
I think you have reading comprehension issues

>>719914072
>Why would
FTFY

>>719914140
but you heal multiple pips at once, saying "double damage" is disingenuous, it's just a different health system

>>719907171 (OP)
>Casual players are NOT happy about Silksong
I don't care as long as I am happy, fuck other people, and fuck OP

>stun boss
>it falls on me and kills me
>for the 20th time

>>719909982
I find it way less fun / more hard than those games. The game is also more tedious somehow

>>719908139
If Nintendo took refunds I would.

>>719913957
Funny since "nintendo hard" was a thing before the souls series was a thing though the former was just devs not knowing any better and/or coming from coin-op days

>>719907171 (OP)
Why is From Software allowed to get away with it but not the hollow knight darling indie studio? Is miyazaki REALLY that powerful?

I'm glad the hot new game everyone is playing is filtering casuals. We need more games like that causing people to play things for social media instead of for themselves to completely miss the point of playing a fun video game.

Honestly I do have to agree that a lot of bosses aren't actually fun, at the very least. You just have very few openings to deal damage, and enemies have a lot of HP. It's Souls design, and I don't like Dark Souls. I want to actually play the game and not spend 90% of a boss fight air dodging.

>>719907427
fpbp
The rewards you get through playing don't even change gameplay much, most are just gimmicks.
Feels like true soulslike.

>>719914140
>>719914252
in fact, if damage does 2 pips and healing heals 3 pips, it's closer to being 2/3rds damage than double damage

>>719909982
it's genuinely pretty easy, the people crying are being ridiculous

>>719907171 (OP)
>they fell for the fotm reddit game
why are the plebs so susceptible to marketing hype? Why wouldn't it be just as boring as the first one?

>>719908804
how many PHDs in Hollow Knight do you have?

>>719913716
I know (you) are arguing in bad faith but anyone that thinks the beginning of the game requires expertise is telling on themselves and should https://youtu.be/ui9hFeUrRrI?si=kfgrfQC88zShJnWj

>all the shazam posters are forced to resort to crying that the game is too hard
I'm laugh

>>719914524
Healing takes 3 times as many hits to full up now.

>>719914524
Are you stupid? You're just baiting right? Not actually this stupid.

>>719914589
well yeah but don't you spend most of the game with a full bar? you have to be getting hit a lot for that to be an issue

>>719914668
Holy goalposts you fucking faggot retard, lmao.

>>719914668
>well yeah but don't you spend most of the game with a full bar?
No...? Not against bosses. Heals take up the full bar.

>>719914662
it's just the truth bro, in hollow knight when someone did 1 damage to you you only got to heal 1 back

in this you heal back MORE than you got damaged by, AND you can do it mid-air

seems pretty unbalanced really, hornet is just way stronger

>>719910017
I never found what the tell for his lunge attack was, if there even was a tell. By the time he's doing it, it's too late to dodge. That said, you can easily cheese him by moving into the hallway where he can't jump.

>>719907171 (OP)
Only Dark Souls 4, Elden Ring 2, Sekiro 2, and Bloodborne 2 are allowed to have no difficulty option high difficult first few hours. IT has been foretold

>>719914470
Fuck i didn't buy 2D dark souls just to have it turn into 2D dark souls

>>719914735
maybe you're just getting hit too much, you should try focusing on not getting hit

I wasn't interested in the game but now that I'm seeing people seethe because it's too hard I'm actually interested.
Is the challenge legit?

>>719914819
it's just hollow knight difficulty but with the babbymode opening difficulty taken out

>>719914878
That makes me wanna pick it up

>>719914739
Ok you're definitely baiting.

>>719914752
HK wasn't Dark Souls, I'm tired of this nonsense. It's an actual Metroidvania, and it wasn't actually that hard at all. Act 1 is harder than any vanilla boss. I don't actually know about the DLC bosses because I didn't play them, I just know this doesn't at all feel like HK1 and it's not a smooth transition from 1. I assume this is a transition from the post-game DLC content.

I'm fine with a boss being hard, but I really dislike the Dark-souls like design where you simply can't hit a boss most of the fight. There's specific openings you have to wait for. And it's like that for every boss. It gets a bit old when every boss is hit 1 maybe 2 times then dodge then repeat and do that 37 times because they have massive HP pools.

>>719915004
it's true though, mid-air healing makes the game way easier

I'm enjoying the game, but I have to wonder what the point of half the enemies dealing 2 masks worth of damage is. 2 damage hazards are a genuinely retarded idea and discourage exploration

>>719914352
they just need to learn from michael zaki himself and tell casuals to go fuck themselves in the ass. they'll take it on the chin and stop complaining like good little peasants

>>719915048
In HK1 I beat most of the bosses without having to heal at all. I don't even know what you mean by mid air healing being important. You either have a heal window on the bosses or you don't. There's nothing about healing in the air that helps with that, every boss has the opening phase after they attack where you can heal or damage, same as dark souls. You can heal on the ground just as easily. This isn't even an argument this is just you being somewhat delusional and inventing a benefit that doesn't actually matter.

>dev trooned out
>now the game is incredibly hostile to gamers
hmmmmm

>>719914819
Not really. It's all super basic, it's just that most things in the game deal double damage to you

>my game is an action platformer
>it's even harder than Silksong
Should I be worried?

>>719907171 (OP)
So having played this game for like two and a hours most of it dying to the fly in Hunter's March, what the fuck is wrong with modern day gaymers to celebrate difficulty creep? Are zoomers all just masochist, cock and ball torture fags? This shit makes me want to play Harvest Moon.

>>719915350
you don't need to go to hunter's march right away, you can go south to deepdocks and come back to it later
hunter's march is way fucking overtuned for when you first discover it

>>719913871
it's not about being worried about losing them, i could turn them into necklaces, but i rather do whatever investment i need to right away to not have that in the back of my mind at all

>>719909393
yeah with cheat tables, I agree.

>>719907171 (OP)
Oh it's one of those games that pads out it's run time with unfair game balance?

>>719915325
There is nothing wrong with an easy mode or "accessbility" features, as long as you don't design the game around them and just leave them in for the impatient. Silksong doesn't have those options, and I think it's a large part of the reason people are mad.

>>719907171 (OP)
I'm having fun. Git gud casuls.

So I just got to bellhart and I've done almost everything I could find in the areas accessible before this, and I have to say I'm confused by the people saying the game is too hard. Now I'm not going to pretend like I'm some god gamer and I've been breezing through the game - but it seems pretty reasonable to me? I'm able to beat a lot of the easier bosses on my first try like lace (the first time), the fire robot golem thing, etc. and the harder ones are taking me like 10-20 tries which, again, seems reasonable. What the fuck are these people talking about? And keep in mind I wasn't even good enough to beat pantheon 1 in hollow knight.

>>719914352
Their games are the definition of artificial difficulty and playing something because it hurts your pride to lose instead of playing cause you enjoy it, their players are conditioned and noobs follow guides with OP builds.
Silksong will get away with it too, too many people build their whole personality on game that still hasn't released to admit that the game is bad.

>>719908472
Holy shit, is this real?

>have 5 hp
>bosses do 2 damage even on contact
>heal is +3

It's a little annoying mostly because even if you grind out for an HP upgrade, you still die in 3 hits from the boss, but you do get the benefit where healing when taking 2 hits puts you at 5/6 so you can take 1 extra hit. Still, I think a lot of these bosses would have been better felt if they only did 1 damage instead of 2, it's a really rough bell curve and there's a hard lack of save points near boss fights unlike the first game, which doesn't actually make the fight harder, since there's rarely anything in the way, but it does add to the frustration.

>>719915325
My recommendation? Just give people checkpoints before a boss. I think like half of the complaints about SIlksong wouldn't exist if they just put savepoints before the bosses instead of 2-3 rooms away.

>>719914578
I wasn't that anon, but I do agree with him. The point was NOT about "requiring expertise", any game can be beaten by a newbie if he learns it. Silksong was clearly designed with the idea to be a challenge for people who already beat the original. It's a very simple argument, and you must be retarded if you can't understand it.

>>719914352
People have been crying about difficulty in From Soft games since the first Dark Souls went mainstream. There was nonstop complaining when Nightreign came out earlier this year.

>>719907171 (OP)
How do you spot casual?

>>719915535
>10-20 tries each is reasonable
brother, i've beaten just about every boss in this game so far in 5 tries or less and even i think some of this shit is overtuned

>>719913580
it's not artificial when the bosses gain new attack moves as the fight progresses (they do)

>>719915790
I've beaten every boss in less than 5 tries except this fucking moth asshole holy shit this Don Quixote larper does fucking nothing to help please God

>>719907171 (OP)
>game has been hyped for the last seven years
>they all fell for the hype not having played the first game

>>719915191
maybe you got worse at videogames

>>719915675
I have checkpoints a room or two before bosses. But my game is a linear platformer, its not a metroidvania. Its more like Ninja Gaiden or Megaman. Limited lives and all that. I made it hard as hell, though I did include two difficulties. I can't think of much I can do to make it easier besides removing pitfalls which isn't happening at this point. Its part of the level design.

>>719915847
Double damage, double health and the boss speeding up as they get lower is the definition of artificial difficulty. Why would a whole one (1) (uno) attack matter

>>719910032
>>719910039
>>719910184
>>719910216
>>719910324
Who are y'all quoting?

>>719916029
Bosses speeding up on low health is kino, not artificial difficulty.

>>719907171 (OP)
Based.
Fuck these pussies.
Still not buying the game though because there was no fucking way this game needed to be in development for nearly a decade.

>>719908104
Moth at drymoon
That giant bug thing guarding beast crest
Widow (although its piss easy when you figure out you can wall jump on the sides)
The Judge. (Mainly for long ass tedious runback that makes it hard to remember judges attack indicators and adjusting your reaction time)
Funny thing is Act 2s first boss is piss easy and shouldve been in Act 1

>>719915487
Yes there is. Catering to the lowest common denominator is not a good thing and actively makes your product inferior. Not everything has to be enjoyable by everyone.

>>719915790
Well 10-20 is pretty standard for me for harder bosses in games like Hollow Knight/Dark Souls/Elden Ring, so my performance so far is exactly what I expected.
What exactly do you think is overtuned? I agree from a balancing perspective it's not great to have so many enemies early on deal 2 damage, but again the overall balancing seems alright to me.

>>719914181
her name is Ailene Slopkiin

>>719907171 (OP)
this shit is easy what were queers complaining about?

>>719915325
add easy mode, problem solved unless the platforming is hard

I hate the fucking undetailed maps in this game.

>>719916180
>That giant bug thing guarding beast crest
>The Judge
these are the funniest ones to me
I guarantee you no one would complain about them if they only did a single point of damage instead of two considering their simple movesets that are really easy to dodge (but figuring them out is not super simple)
feel like a lot of bosses have this very problem

>>719914181
somefatpig5157 on onlyfans

nothing so far has been harder than margit or even godrick the grafted so idk the complaints. hunter’s march was somewhat punishing but you’re kinda asking for it going there early. what was the area after mantis lords? people didn’t complain about mantis lords taking forever to kill if you fought them early.

>>719916182
>Not everything has to be enjoyable by everyone.
exactly right. gatekeeping is always necessary. normalniggers hate seeing people enjoy something specifically made for a niche audience and WILL want it for themselves. they are like the flood from halo. they spread like cancer, attacking anything soulful and unique to homogenize it and quickly forget it ever existed

>>719907171 (OP)
what do you mean i have to GIT GUD??!?!?!??
i don't have time for that, i need to play [trendy game] RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>719909569
this is especially funny because bannerlord is piss easy AI with superabuseable exploits, even worse than the first game

>>719916029
By that metric, monster hunter series is all artificial difficulty. Especially the older titles with more clunky controls.

how stupid can you be to bitch and moan instead of trying to improve when you're playing a purposefully hard game
it's so juvenile

>>719907428
Elden Ring
DOOM Eternal
Cuphead

>>719907171 (OP)
>normalfaggots got memed into buying a metroidvania in 2025
kek

>>719907171 (OP)
>Games should be FUN, not IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT
Games like Silksong should go the extra mile and go the Pathologic 2 way. Giving adjustable difficulty sliders to accommodate the varied player-base it's marketing to (both soulslike fans and matroidvania/mobility-based platformer fans), while keeping things in-form. I, myself, hate soulslike mechanics and will never play it an any difficulty, and see it as a pretty-looking busywork time-eater.

>>719913493
SOTN is babies first hollowlike and it has mostly historic value at this point, gameplay is dogshit compared to HK, Ori and other modern hollowlikes

>>719914819
Retards who cant into air control combat and cant aim 45 degrees dashes are crying

Beat Widow. Nothing has been too hard so far, 1-3 tries for all bosses (widow taking 3) and Hunter’s March right after the big bug was the hardest part so far but it wasn’t that long since you can’t do the area fully. Still, if there’s a boss rush in this game like the first, I’m not doing it.

>>719915325
Name? Its not that game about baseball bat, is it

>>719909157
>Dashes into a jump arc that doesn't change at all
That's on you

>>719916165
>no fucking way this game needed to be in development for nearly a decade.
How does it matter for u how long the devs have spent on the development lol? Its not like youre waiting by the door until its ready

>>719908092
>>719908273
>>719908472
>>719908669
>719910823
>719911375
>toxoplasma nigger

i got to bellhart and the area feels so much more nicer compared to the last 2 for no fuckin reason

the game has weird spikes to zones and i cant really figure out if its intentional or optional challenges. like to get the silkbind aoe move involved a bunch of retarded cunty flyin enemies that take 5+ hits over like 5 waves of them
like why was that hard for no reason?

>>719917545
>difficulty sliders
I can't comprehend how people who make games for a living can't into game design.
No need for sliders, you can make if feel organic.
Just add few tools and crests (hp regen, silk regen, invincibility during heal, hold BUTTON to counter next hit... whatever) that make the game easier. Everyone who wants hard mode can choose not to use them.

I can just tell that all these crying babies arent using ie. the chigger chagger silky daggers or any other tools available, they probably cant pogo either, and they just walk up and attack, and complain

>Reddit tourists spends the past few years bitching about FromSoft games
>Getting their comeuppance when normies start parroting their retarded takes to games they like.
Love to sew it.

>>719907428
I play only metroidvanias. The game is tedious, it is more tedious than rabi ribi. There are tons of areas that are just a slog to traverse. The bosses are pretty fun. But the level design is pretty bad.

>>719912959
the flyin enemies are so fuckin bad in ss.
they have the spacing of a pro fgc player
>move towards them
>they fly away slightly
>jump to go and attack
>they fly away slightly
its fine when you have a whip. it fuckin sucks when your sword is a tiny needle

>>719907619
I played HK 1 for an hour and dropped it because it was a generic 2D Metroidvania. Your implication difficulty had anything to do with it is cope.

>>719918171
Why did you attach random 3dpd shit for no reason

>>719911382
If you can't dodge or parry, and you don't know how to build around said weakness (ie tank/life regen builds) then the game becomes excessively hard.

>>719907834
Elden Ring has been consistently bitched about since release, retard. The term rollslop is literal common gaymer jargon amongst normies now (hilarious, since Elden Ring has more ways to mitigate or avoid damage outside of rolling than most games).

Is there a boss in Greymoor? I've done an entire location and haven't seen one

>>719907171 (OP)
Fuck, I need to finish the game fast before they nerf it to appease the tards

>lost 400 brown money because I failed an autistic sword pogo puzzle twice in a row, now my entire playthrough is bricked because I can't afford any benches or maps
>when I beat the sword pogo puzzle it had no actual unique rewards and just a bit of brown money in a dead end
What the fuck

>>719918000
They put out a trailer years ago, and then they shelved it for nearly a decade. That's insulting. The devs have admitted they could have gotten it out earlier, they just didn't want to.
Yeah, that's a big fuck you. It's like sitting down at a restaurant, ready to eat, they tell you it will be done it 15 minutes. Then you sit there for two fucking hours, and they tell you, "Sorry, I just wanted to get it perfect for you!"
NOPE, go fuck yourself. There's a fucking limit. Not caring about how long it takes is redditor zero self-respect territory. I'm not going to say you should be completely entitled, but you do deserve some BASIC consideration and courtesy as a paying customer.

The only thing I don't like in this game are the flying enemies that copy your location with their offset. You jump in to slash them and they perfectly move away from you with the same velocity. You're basically forced to use tools against them.

i am feelin stuck. after bellhart in shellwood. dont know what exactly im supposed to do. the guy below the hiding in a tunnel mentioned something but i forgot

>>719918481
I played it with 15 fps and still beat it. Wasn't that hard but even if it was harder than it should it was OK since combat was nice and the rewards you get from defeating hard enemies are good and can change how you play the game.
In Silksong I get Witch crest for solving rather annoying mystery which causes me to no be able to heal. The crest is absolute garbage, worse than the one I started the game with.

>>719918654
A flying one on the left side of the map

>>719907428
your tranny game IS mainstream brotha

>>719918298
Why does it upset you so much?

>>719919005
Because attention whores are annoying?

>>719919073
Sounds like you just hate seeing a woman you will never become

Having the player hitbox match the model is a weird design choice. Enemies can damage hornet by clipping the top of her head. They probably should have went for the schmup hitbox design where the hitbox is smaller than the character actually is.
Sometimes It's so egregious that you can take contact damage when chasing a boss moving away from you if you aren't being super careful about your spacing.

>>719919171
You're welcome for giving you the (You) you desperately wanted.

>>719907171 (OP)
wtf can you even get to in 4.2 hrs that even resembles difficulty?

>>719919206
its frustrating on a lot of the flying enemies because of this

>OG Hollow Knight players giving Silksong negative reviews because the game does annoying stuff that they forgot happens in Hollow Knight

when did everybody get so fucking retarded

>>719919376
like the enemy green crows for example, they dont stop in their dash forward move alot of enemies have, when you hit them.
thats fuckin gay aids

>>719908572
Hornet will suck my dick, once I 120% the game. She'll become real and use all her silk powers to pleasure me

>>719919407
I don't remember Watcher Knight doing double damage with every attack, or almost every single bench and fast travel point costing geo

>>719918904
You're underestimating how shit the average person is at video games.

>>719907171 (OP)
yeah they did not playtest this shit
godhome difficulty shouldn't be the default difficulty

I fucking hate contact damage so much. I hate having a boss jump around randomly or to get hit into them at take 90% of my health. I died to a boss staggering ontop of me today so they still have those from hk.

I like hornet's dive for fighting but I was tired of pogo in the first game because there was so much of it so running into an area all about it early on was a bit annoying
bosses have been pretty fun though but I think some regular enemies are a little too tanky

>>719908779
Tell that to DaS1 fans.

>>719914213
I know you have skill issues.

>>719918065
>Everyone who wants hard mode can choose not to use them
I guess some of the hardcore players will do no- runs. But most of players, even those who are looking for a harder game, would abuse those mechanics nonetheless and complain about it being too easy later.
Sliders assure player satisfaction either way; it gives you a visual representation of the difficulty right infront of you to choose. A set-it-and-forget-it solution.

>>719907171 (OP)
>overhyped your DoA over-delayed game
>pay the price
good riddance
you had to be a retard to not see this coming

>>719919564
Watcher Knight did do double damage though, because there were two of them
Not having enough rosary to unlock a checkpoint by the time you get to it is just a skill issue, and it's not even a hard one

would the game be easier if you were controlling the knight instead

>>719918782
I can't find shit

>>719919739
yeah considering jumping doesn't have a tell
the ant knight retard early on filtering me was a good example if you dont have a dash. that shit was straight up aids ass

>>719915004
>but I really dislike the Dark-souls like design where you simply can't hit a boss most of the fight.
There isn't a single FromSoft game where this is the norm. I'm 100% serious when I day this is a skill issue.

>>719917572
>hollowlike
It’s just not happening, give it up man

>>719915350
Fun and hard are entirely subjective.

>>719911486
Yeah it's honestly awesome. Everything feels so tightly balanced its like the game was made personally for my tastes lol.

>>719915191
>I don't even know what you mean by mid air healing being important
ever heard of a hitbox retard?

Whoever is having trouble with this game...pass me the controller.

This game would be a lot easier and more intuitive if contact damage wasn't a thing.
Why should I lose 40% of my health for just standing next to a boss that isn't even attacking? Always-active hitboxes as a mechanic is a relic of the past. Enemies should only do damage during their actual attacks, or if they're clearly designed to be bad to touch (spiky, etc).
Literally my only gripe with the game.

>>719907171 (OP)
shut the fuck up Dean

>>719915350
>So having played Elden Ring for like two and hours most of it dying to the Tree Sentinel, what the fuck is wrong with modern day gaymers to celebrate difficulty creep? Are zoomers all just masochist, cock and ball torture fags? This shit makes me want to play Harvest Moon.

>>719920785
Shinobi literally has the best of both worlds where contact damage is limited to specific enemy states that's unique to each one that gives you half a second to respond before contact damage is turned on (and with that, you have built in mechanisms for guard/parrying most of those attacks at the cost of your special meters). You faggots should have listened and got ACTUAL kino instead.

>>719918279
sry u got filtered by false knight

>>719907507
Nightreign's still sitting at the same positive review percent as first boss percent last I checked.

>>719919564
I dont remember you healing for 3 instead of 1 in HK1

At least they have more than 0.1 hours unlike 90% of the positive reviews

>>719920192
>Sliders assure player satisfaction either way
Yea, that's usually the best way.
The problem with such tools/crests will be that they are also more fun the the stuff we have now. IDK how many hours I have in the game but can't remember single thing that made me go "damn that's cool, I wanna use it"

>>719916724
The judge has the funniest moveset of the bosses i have fought so far, unfortunately it was still cancer because the 2x damage made it to easy to get stacked out. And the fucking runback.

Havent played HK
Just beat Moorwing and honestly not feeling it
So much stuff doing 2 damage just makes HP ups feel pointless
Also feels like i missed every possible upgrade in existence, last one i got was the very first spell/skill
I got excited when i got Dash, but its been pretty disappointing since then

>>719907507
Cuphead

>>719907428
HK already was mainstream you dumb nigger. 15 million copies sold is mainstream as fuck.

>>719922013
>can't remember single thing that made me go "damn that's cool, I wanna use it"
Huh, that's a shame for such a hyped game.
Oh well.

What actual improves does Silksong have over HK?

>>719907171 (OP)
Did you know: major influencer talent agencies like Mythic have begun astroturfing the "anti-difficulty" movement because their stables of shitty streamers are complaining that their audiences demand they play "hard" games and when they turn out to be shit at them their subs/view/ad clicker numbers drop in a measurable way.

>>719907171 (OP)
>completely turbostomp first phase
>second phase kicks my ass

>>719922262
Sprinting, tho the the bad sprint-jump delay drags it down a lot. But thats about it. Almost everything else was better done in HK

>>719920192
I dont like sliders. To me it just says the devs can't balance. I can marginally forgive them as long as you cant change them whenever you want like a free cheat code enabler, but thats rare.

>get to sinners road
>enemies are tanky ass cancer
>touching the water cucks you out of your heal
>huh a bench? Lol fuck you its broken now do this shitty jumping challenge
Ngl that was the first time the game pissed me off

>>719921516
There was nothing to be filtered by, Anon. I beat a couple bosses and stopped. Game was simply boring.

>>719922287
proof?

>>719922146
>Sold
PSN+ literally gave that shit away for free, retard.

>>719907171 (OP)
>https://www.cheatengine.org/
?

>>719907171 (OP)
I kind of agree. There are great moments, but it feels like a slog most of the time. Like the devs designed the game to be frustrating.

>>719907171 (OP)
They had 10 year to get good with the first game.

>>719922757
And the devs had 10 years to make a game that isn't HK 1.1

>>719922516
>Like the devs designed the game to be frustrating
The hype is the main thing responsible for this, they had to appeal to the "gitgud" kind of player who they know will shield them from any criticism about the mid gameplay design.
Just look at them go about how it's ok for game to be hard and everyone who doesn't agree should gitgut. But they never say anything if it's OK for game to be no fun to play.

does it have the annoying spikes/saw spam that turns the game into super meatboy like the first game did at some point
that's the only thingg i didn't like about HK

The main problem is that people try to face tank everything like you could in hollow knight

>>719922501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbHfFzK7xeU

>>719922878
It has that like an hour in, this game loves pogo.

>>719922757
The balance of the first game is entirely different. Not nearly as frustrating as early on.

>>719922396
this is literally the first complaint in this thread that's actually valid
(i just decided to save my rosaries and come back later tho)

back in my day, enemies with spikes hurt if you touch them
not bugs.

I'm I stupid for having look up where a certain ability is to progress instead of backtracking a million times

>>719923098
I'm stupid for NOT just looking shit up and wasting my time.

>>719922862
Oh, yeah. Any and all criticism of this thing is going to be ignored.

>fixes movement
>doubles down on everything else I didn’t like about HK
Fuck sakes

I swear to GOD they better not nerf the difficulty. I was actually surprised that it was beating my ass and getting an emotional response out of me. I fucking appreciate hard games.

>>719910320
Absolutely pathetic

Is using the simple key on the prisoner in sinners road worth it? I used the first on on the door to the worm fuck caves and instantly regretted it so now i want to be extra careful

>>719910320
please tell us what you found "unironically too hard"

>>719907171 (OP)
>casuals suck at vidya
Whoa

>>719907428
Enemies are doing twice the damage than Hollow Knight

I'm progressing fine in the game, but I do think even minor enemies in the game taking 5+ hits to kill and being coded to annoyingly bodyblock even just maneuvering around them to be tiring. And there really is no difficulty curve at all from what I can tell. It's just consistent throughout the entire game with no real variance.

>>719923484
thats my issue too. its easy to get stuck on some bullshit that you forget to experience the rest of what a metroidvania game is. exploring and upgrades.
and so far, the upgrades are so minimal and focuses too much on the bullshit LE HARD PREPARE TO DIE aspect of it all

the only thing to make me shit my pants out of frustration is the red ant filter and the bird cage challenge area.

>>719922382
>I dont like sliders. To me it just says the devs can't balance
What if there are marks on the sliders like "easy", "normal", "hard, "super-easy", "super-hard" and you could change them even byond the marks, but the marks are what the dev had in mind when it comes to balance level?
>I can marginally forgive them as long as you cant change them whenever you want like a free cheat code enabler
That is kinda what difficulty levels/sliders are, in a sense. Think solo minecraft, where you can change it to peaceful and be rid of the mob infront of you.
At the end, more power the user has in regards to gameplay difficulty and experience, the better, imo; it is conducive to more fun gained from the game.

>>719907171 (OP)
GIT GUD FAGGOTS. GIT GUD. GIT GUUUUUUUUUD. ALSO FUCK JIM STEPHANIE STERLING. FUCK HIM RIGHT IN THE ASSHOLE.

That miniboss room with the birds was fucking brutal honestly, probably took me 15 times to beat it. Same with the horsefly fucker. I'm really stuck at the white flower pogo section and I don't really know when I'm gonna get around to beating it

>>719923603
Just knowing that there's some faggot out there lowering his sliders against any challenge makes me angry.

>>719923559
Shade Cloak will greatly improve the gameplay.

There's some weird decisions in terms of difficulty like pretty much everything doing 2 masks of damage while you start off with 5 masks and rarely find any mask shards, your first nail upgrade being fairly late and still unimpressive, and in general every boss being too much of a health sponge with multiple phases that just get tiring when it's done ad nauseum

That said I got past all that and still enjoyed myself, the one thing I can't forgive is that god forsaken fucking runback to the Last Judge with all those fucking bugs in your way holy shit what did Team Cherry mean by that

Just how many of them are tourists?

>>719923069
It really does piss me off how easy it is to take 2 hearts of contact damage to anything in this game, the most egregious of which being daring to touch the boss while it's downed and vulnerable somehow STILL damaging you

>>719907171 (OP)
KWAB
how did they even beat HK which is way harder?

reading this thread im pretty sure i am just bad at this game, I have gotten basically nowhere and bashed my head against the wall for 10 hours, last real milestone I did was moorwing

>Hey Pale King can I copy your obsession with saws?
>Sure, just make it look different so it doesn't look like you copied it.
>Sure thing.

It's genuinely not that hard. Challenging, but fun and fair. Also maybe I'm just not far enough yet but all the paths from bench to boss have been very short.

I ended up spending an hour and a half in hunter's march because I went "oh I got the dash, so this means the way to go is past the boss that moves slow." So I did, and was greeted with the hell that was down-slashing to pogo up surrounded by enemies that do two masks of damage AND red spikes that punish you for failing jumps. and a team fight where there was so much shit going on that I just ended up dodging because I couldn't read it at all.

I gave up after that. my thumbs are fucked and that made them worse.

and I played hollow knight with my pc keyboard! I don't think they playtested it with casuals at all, it feels like they went all in on muh hard dark souls

>>719923559
I got 75% through the red ant filter zone and could not, for the life of me, make the horizontal jump that was a stagged downward vertical

single dads of 14 and wagies with only 20 minutes per year to play videogames need to fuck off
"too hard not fun" go to hell

So this is the Dark Souls 2 of the series then

>>719907171 (OP)
Literally what were they thinking with Craggler, it's the most dogshit boss I've ever fought
>has a single attack that is impossible to dodge without standing under a platform
>does massive damage
>attacks too quickly to reliably hit it more than once between attacks
All this results in is a boring, drawn out boss where you just slap it once then dive beneath the platforms. Rinse and repeat until it's finally dead.

>>719907171 (OP)
fromsoftware (japanese company) is the ONLY company allowed to make difficult games, otherwise I am giving you a NEGATIVE review. dark souls INVENTED difficulty.

>>719924445
No. I actually liked Dark Souls 2.

>>719924458
wait you can kill this thing? lol i just ran past it

basically, there are two types of people in the world
A) sees pic related and is dismal at the result. they think that after all that effort, it wasn't good enough, and so they give up and stop trying because they were denied that satisfaction they craved.
B) sees pic related and congratulates themselves for the progress they've made while appreciating that despite coming a long way they still haven't achieved perfection, and strives to be better next attempt.

if you don't enjoy the struggle, then maybe you're not a GAMER.

>>719924458
Its not a boss its an environmental mechanic you can kill

>>719923807
>Just knowing that there's some faggot out there lowering his sliders against any challenge makes me angry
Hehe, I get it; but in the end, the point of a game is to be fun (most of the time, anyway).

>>719924529
>>719924586
I ran past it at first and then remembered "I need this for the hunter's journal" and returned to slap it around until it died. Again it ain't hard it's just very tedious.

>>719907171 (OP)
why are casul gamers so fucking retarded

>>719924458
Is there supposed to be an intended strat for this retard? I counted and it took me 38 (THIRTY EIGHT) rotations of hide under platform > bait the breath > duck out jump and do a single attack just to down him and it was agonizingly slow

>>719907171 (OP)
They're 100% right. that's why I use cheat engine

>give players 5 health
>but actually you only have 3 health because everything does 2 damage
Why tho?

>>719924696
I'm pretty sure that's the intended strat, anon. I gave it a few goes trying to hit it twice between cycles or get to the side and slap it with the needle throw but those attempts were swiftly stopped because if it catches you outside of a platform its spit can absolutely just hit you twice for 4 damage.

>>719908085
*mega man

>>719924740
So that when you get your first extra mask it does almost literally nothing. Also so that your 3 mask heal only actually gives you a single extra hit against most bosses.

Is there really only a single fucking upgrade to your needle pre-citadel?

This game is too hard because every time I fucking hear Hornet's voice I need to jerk off and play with 1 fucking hand.

>>719907428
people didn't want hollow knight: the lost levels

>>719907171 (OP)
But it's literally easier than the first one, it's my only complaint of it after 20 hours of gameplay. Every boss aside from two so far has been done in 1-3 tries, and I've died like thrice outside bosses. It's not that fucking hard. There's a ton of harder Metroidvanias out there, imagine if these people tried something like Environmental Station Alpha or Blasphemous.
But anyway, Silksong is 9.5/10 so far.

>>719907171 (OP)
>Hi i'm a faggot and I hated hollow knight. Will I like Silksong even though the game is LITERALLY Hollow Knight 2?
Why the fuck were these questions all over the place? I expect it from outside of here because normies jumping on the hype train. But I kept seeing posts like this here too. Obviously the answer is no you fucking retard. Especially since the difficulty seems to expect that you be used to HK's feel in general, Silksong was intended to be DLC at first before it was made standalone sequel.

>>719925071
hw was better

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING MASK SHARDDS FUARRKKK

>>719908223
you're wrong. I've been playing through hollow knight for a month or two before silksong was even announced. HK was significantly easier, especially early game. The fact that everything does 2 damage alone makes silksong significantly harder, then when you add in the diagonal downward slash its very hard to dodge like that now in comparison.

>>719909157
the way to beat hornet is to jump and downward slash a lot of her attacks, like her jump there you either bait it and run just out of reach then slash, or you jump higher and slash her head and bounce off then dash away. It gets more hectic once she puts down the mines but its just a matter of keeping the area clean.

Is there even a reason to use any crest but reaper?

>>719925176
Don't bother until you reach act 2, because with only one upgrade you're still going to die in three hits with double damage

>>719908049
Nightmare King Grimm was my favorite boss in the original Hollow Knight. I made sure to beat him on radiant because his attack patterns were extremely fun to master.

>>719907171 (OP)
>>719907427
the fuck even is this game and why was it astroturfed so hard

>>719924960
I kept dying to the ant nigga because I thought you needed a key for the throwing knives and I wasn't using the cheese. I died like 5 times and got frustrated enough so I went to jerk off to Little Ghost knocking her up. Flawlessly first tried him right after.

4th Chorus is the easiest boss that's managed to make a vein appear on my forehead.
>only spams two braindead attacks that make it so you can't attack until he's done attacking
>one of which is a down slam that destroys platforms and exposes lava
>because I-frames in the game are nonexistent this means if you get hit by it you'll also get dragged into lava and hit again
>boss only stands in one spot and is just tall enough to only be hit by up attacks
>between this and the platform destroying means you cannot even attack the boss if he destroys the platforms in front of himself
>because he uses that attack endlessly that means the moment the platforms grow back he'll just destroy them again
>boss fight is right after you get the hover which means every time you jump-attack him you'll be accidentally activating the brand new hover ability that also cancels attacks when activated
>after doing enough damage to knock the boss prone FOUR FUCKING TIMES he reveals there's a Ohko bomb above him the entire time that just couldn't be reached until he's 99% dead because fuck you, that's why
This boss actually feels like it was designed to waste your time. Everything about it is nyquil laced sewage that somehow makes you angry while also putting you to sleep.

>>719909157
She has like 2 seconds of wind up for nearly every attack she does, just slap her with your sword and jump when she tries to hit you

>>719918214
>There are tons of areas that are just a slog to traverse.
Just run and jump over the mook enemies

I feel like as we grow up all these backtracking become more and more obnoxious , why can't they put a bench next to a boss/arena fight , it's fucking annoying , I have a job to work and place to be why are you artifically stalling me you CUNT.

>>719911427
>having to buy a compass and take up a slot when it's a genre free default feature
lol you dont need that shit, just pay attention to where you're going as per the landmarks and the room shape/position.

>>719925318
Why the fuck do you guys keep claiming anything remotely popular or hyped is astroturfed. The word lost all it's meaning when people unironically think that Silksong was a flop and claim it's astroturfed when it had 530,000 concurrent players and it's a fucking SINGLE PLAYER GAME. I don't even like SS compared to HK and I admit that that's generally a success.

Negative reviews are the only real reviews, you won't be finding honesty in a positive review lol

Also for every retard crying about the bouncing platforms your distance from it doesn't matter, only thing that matters is hitting it with the down attack while moving in a direction. Just fall towards the berry, hit it when you're halfway in it, and it'll bounce you in a scripted arch right towards the next one. Rinse and repeat. After the first berry just let the scripted bounce animation carry you along.

>>719909157
>contact damage
miss me with that gay shit.

>>719911487
>So far every other yellow gadget is worthless.
One has the magnet ability similar to the HK1 where it'll bring rosary beads to you, unfortunately
for some fucking reason rosary beads are destroyed if they fall in spikes or other traps/damage environments which isn't great.

I kid you not they make a PRIMAL aspid that is MORE annoying , MORE health , OVERSIZE hitbox and move around like a CRACKHEAD

>>719925178
>I've been playing through hollow knight for a month or two before silksong
either you're lying or your brain is so defective you can't accurately recall between 30 and 60 days in the past. either way your opinion is easily discarded and most likely all your problems are pure skill issue.

>>719907980
You can get it before even encountering Bell Beast if you use bugs to jump towards Wormways.

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE SKULL TYRAND FOR THE QUEST AHHH

>>719916180
>That giant bug thing guarding beast crest
Just use the boomerang you get right before the boss in the same zone that says "great for flying enemies".

>>719925420
>I have a job to work
quit
>and place to be
don't go

>>719907171 (OP)
The shilling of this game is out of control.
Faggots saying it broke steam records when Palworld and the chink monkey game had double or triple the amount of players.

>/v/ claiming they are hardcore gamers
>this fucking thread
Beyond pathetic. What's worse is that the constant crying will prompt the devs to nerf the game so now people that actually enjoy playing video games need to finish it as fast as possible before they mangle it with patches.

>>719925514
>hurr you don't need a basic feature in metroidvanias
You don't need a map either, but it's a nice thing to have. Making the map fully functional requiring an equipment slot is and always will be retarded.

>>719925057
widow and beast fight had me on the ropes, but im enjoying the challenge so far

>>719910017
>>719910147
>>719910017
I beat him before getting the dash, so yeah it was difficult since my character was slow as shit but it was doable, no biggie

>>719907171 (OP)
GIT GU
LOL

>>719926560
"Git good" ruined the fun in gaming. if you want a challenge why don't you go solve Goldbach's conjecture?

>>719926712
Easy games arnt fun

>>719926556
I got the dash, went back to beat him, and then subjected myself to two hours of misery on hunter's march before I called it

>>719907171 (OP)
>bosses are too hard
Uh, I had the impression those were the easy part. I got frustrated a lot because of shit like Sinner's Road. But the bosses were easier. I played with Wanderer since the start and you can cheese most of them.

But also, isn't a game being hard a good thing? If it's easy what's the point of playing?

>>719926712
stop rage baiting and Play the game or any other game nigger

>>719926712
>Goldbach's conjecture
That's actually hard and requires high skill. Those guys like doing chores that are hard mostly because most people find it too annoying to get good at.

>>719916029
Bosses should slow down on low health.

>>719926975
The dog enemies that command grab you out of the air in Sinners Road might be some of the worst designed enemies in the game. That and making you pay for a bench then having to do spike platforming just to fix the bench itself.

Dog shit game design to have to pay for anything just like HK they cant even let you have a bench for free even deep nest did it.

>>719925071
It is hollow knight 0.5 at best.

>>719907507
>Name three times this HASN'T happened
Well I'm stumped!

>>719907507
Only 40% of people have seen the ending to the critically acclaimed Expedition 33.

>>719927479
no fucking way, the game actually got too ez towards the end

>>719926386
>You don't need a map either
you do need a map, you don't need a marker at all, the compass is literally a crutch for people who are starting off or shitters who are too braindead to pay attention. When you're at the point you can get better charms it's assumed you've gotten the grasp of using the map and it is no longer necessary. what a bizarre complaint

>>719927202
I mean that's what's fun about playing games focused on gameplay. If it's too hard for you just need to play enough to feel the reward of mastering it.
I spent a whole 25 minutes retrying Nightmare King Grimm in HK, and despite it being my longest amount of retries among all the bosses (outside of the Pantheon) it was the most memorable part of the game for me.

>>719907785
Shazam was thoroughly raped, so they turned up the posting

>>719927574
All the ivaganias let you track your map position for free.

HK and SS wish they were as good as Ecclesia.

>>719927574
No, you don't need a map. Just memorize the landmarks and room shapes while building a mental map in your head. you aren't a shitter who relies on crutches are you?

>DLC of a shitty games takes 6 years to be released
>it's bad
Blunder of the century?

>>719927728
>memorize
Meanwhile, oldfags just used pen and paper

>>719918785
YOU.
LOST.

>>719907171 (OP)
The game is definitely more frustrating that Hollow Knight. It's like they forgot Path of Pain and Pantheon were optional end game content. Not a fan of how different everything is. Why can you only use 1 special attack? Why do you need a full gauge to heal? Why aren't memory lockets carried over between crests? Why is everything unequiped when you get a new crest? Why do you need multiple kinds of charms instead of just letting you use what you want?
None of these were issues in Hollow Knight and yet they changed everything for the worse in this game.

>>719921043
Is this on gamepass?

>>719920203
>DoA
Anon, that doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>719907171 (OP)
>meanwhile just beat that fly bitch in the hunters asshole with an epic 8x parry against the knifebugs he was spawning
it was hype BUT STEAM IS GAY AND DIDNT HAVE RECORDING ENABLED

>>719914181
Sophie Rain

>>719925071
Silksong has actual issues, unfortunately they're being drowned out by people who never played Hollow Knight, because most of their complaints are basic things that existed in Hollow Knight, like losing all your money if you die twice before collecting it.

>>719907171 (OP)
Isn't there an easy mode?

>>719914278
That happened to me once with Pure Vessel, I couldn't even be mad because of how ridiculous it was.

>>719927574
One of the first silksong mods is to just give you the compass at all times. Metroid Dread did not become an easier game just because your map gave you tons of vital info.

>>719916180
Breast chest Widow is worth the retries

>>719914819
>Is the challenge legit?
It's more of a frustrating challenge, like diving into a red flower that should bounce you upward, but you just shoot past it. Or you bounce off it but you didn't bounce at the right angle and you didn't get enough momentum to grab the ledge so now you fell into spikes.

>>719908472
Is this real?

>>719921043
Shinobi was "fine", but really felt like it was too simple for what it wanted to be. Not enough depth really, since it's caught between Metroidvania-lite and a successor to arcade style action games. A metric ton of Hollow Knight isms too. Really, my biggest complaint I had for it was that the ledge climbing / wall running was a finicky ass piece of shit and just made the very, very final bonus challenge room uncompletable for me, but maybe I just need to approach it differently some time.

I hope im not the only one screaming about how beads and shards are flying all over the place into pits. Enjoy losing half of your bounty unless you equip the magnet for beads. Which still isnt instant pickup so they can fall anyway.

>>719907171 (OP)
>never played hollow knight
>checked out a no comment gameplay video
>it looks moderately challenging but not particularly difficult, basic pattern recognition and well telegraphed
they overhyped this game and casuals bought it. only explanation

>>719928435
I cannot believe that they didn't at least have the decency to let you pick up beads with your slash, why on earth did they decide that slashes just send the beads exploding all across the map

>>719927728
metroidvanias are too pixelhunty and long-corridor filled to do that
>fuck im out of options, ok where to gooooo
>that looks like an empty spot on the map, i havent visted there in 5 hours, lets go see if my ability unlocks that part
>trek for several minutes because no warp room nearby
>nope, forgot its a switch behind a locked gate so i have to unlock it by coming from the other area (this wont happen for another 3 hours)
>uhhh there's another space here (at the end of several long corridors with no warp room and isnt connected to any other area of the game
>ah cool, my ability lets me get there now aaaaand its just a shitty item.
repeat ad nauseam until you find the one room that is the place you need to go now because level design is rocket science
>>719927825
>oldfags just used pen and paper
the last thing i want to do when playing a metroidvania is pull out pen and paper even though i did it for other games

>finally have enough analbeads to buy all shakira's stock
>come back to find her
>boss battle in the way on the way back(chorus nigger)
>SHE'S FUCKING GONE

>>719928435
That was an issue in Hollow Knight though, you could buy the charm to collect everything. My issue is that only some enemies drop beads.

>>719928508
Really, the biggest problem any of this has is the Dark Souls style run ups to bosses that just happen more and more as things go along. A lot of people will eat shit on a first try, but unlike Metroid which is usually kind enough to have a save room not too far away (and Dread conceded with outright autosave points for the EMMI rooms), Hollow Knight will force you back to the last rest point that was potentially on the other side of the area, better optimize a route.

>>719928617
go back to the base camp, ringbro sets up shop there and you can ring for him at any time

>>719928659
yeah, shit like that is what makes me not even try hollow knight. i hate repetitiveness and backtracking, dying to a boss 3 times should not waste 5 minutes of your time just to go back to the boss room

Starving you of health and weapon upgrades is an interesting choice in a game where fodder takes 50 hits to kill.

Remember that fly in HK that spits at you that everybody hates? Thats every enemy in Silksong.

>Download Hollow Knight since everyone won't stfu about Silksong
>Try starting the game again since I dropped it extremely early on last time I attempted to play it and wrote ot off as a boring and generic 2D action game
>Literally falling the fuck asleep playing the thing
My attention span has been thoroughly fucking filtered, Jesus Christ. And I generally love Metroidvanias.

>>719928659
The difference is, combat in Souls game feels fun. I actually want to go out of my way to clean up chaff. Hollow Knight is a fucking boring and generic slog, so runbacks feel terrible.

Fuck this, I'm buying Hollow Knight

>>719927728
false equivalence, unless your that nigga who drew the entire of half life 1 from memory nobody is doing that shit lol. there's even markers you can use to set point of interest or areas you cant access until later

>>719928175
>a bunch of drooling retards decided to circumvent the design of an already very casual game
wowee what a compelling argument

the difficulty is meant to represent the struggles trans people go through every day
git gud chuds

>>719928617
Chorus nigger only exists to ruin your fun, so I'd say Chorus nigger did his job with aplomb

>>719927825
>>719927728
Steam overlay has a notepad that saves itself between play sessions that you can pin to your main game's overlay. This is something all gamer autists need to know.

>>719928937
You don't need to defend poor game design this hard. A map in a metroidvania should not require an equip slot, skill point, or whatever to be fully functional.

>>719927728
>being hard is good shitter
>no that’s too hard

game suppose to be fun not hard

>>719928665
lost all my beads to a bad jump

>>719913298
You're dying to bosses lol?

Wasn't Hollow Knight hard as well? Or is this a bunch of people jumping in on the hype misguided?

>>719907573
If you just hold right from the start village you find the blacksmith.
I know I started pogoing to ants but like, just hold right, get upgrades. Ez.

>>719907823
Diagonal kick is a castlevania mainstay and you retards need your autistic fast drop.

>>719907171 (OP)
I don't mind the "difficulty", what is really annoying me is navigating the map. There is no convenient way to get anywhere, even with the ""fast travel"".

In every silk song thread:
> I can’t into jump kick

>>719930256
You can tell who hasn't played Hollow Knight by their complaints. Anyone complaining about losing beads when you die, needing to equip a compass, did not play Hollow Knight. But the game is harder, enemy HP is higher and enemy AI is more aggressive.

>>719930570
Complained about the compass then
Will complain about it now

just gonna wait til theres mods that buff my damage and nerf the enemies like i did the first

>>719907507
CS
CS:GO
CS2

>>719930570
Sounds about what you want in what was supposed to be a DLC expansion.

>>719907507
Hotline miami 2
by god did it filter people

>>719930570
>Anyone complaining about losing beads when you die, needing to equip a compass, did not play Hollow Knight
8000 negative reviews played hollowknight

>>719907171 (OP)
I genuinely think difficulty settings are very much a good thing
casuals can enjoy the game, and hardcore players have harder difficulties to enjoy the game on
you already have soulsloppers adding arbitrary "you didn't beat the game" restrictions, and I feel like that mentality just would not exist if difficulty settings existed, because then it would be "well you havent beaten the game on impossible difficulty"

>>719927479
40% completion for a JRPG style game of that length? I'm surprised it's that high to be honest.

>>719929261
but it is fully functional. just pay attention to where your going baka

>>719913298
>Say that again when you run out trying to beat a boss.
this has never happened to me lol

>>719931026
I went back to it a few months ago, haven't played since launch and man I forgot how difficult the game can actually get. Those soldier flashback levels were absolutely raping me.

>>719927889
I understand them wanting to add variety with most of these, but lockets not carrying over between crests and the constant double mask damage when I only have 5 masks is annoying
> It's like they forgot Path of Pain and Pantheon were optional end game content
Yeah this feels like its supposed to be played right after Hollow Knight, almost like a dlc like Shadow of the Erdtree

>>719931212
It’s a system copied from other games but done worse. It’s objectively not fully functional