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how does one get into fighting games?

when winkawaks updates and there's a new kof, you download it and play it and boom you're in a fighting game

Play the older ones that interest you, ignore modern slop

Honestly people asking this question without also being aware of the answer at the heart of it all is why fighting games have become so dumbed down and pushing towards accessibility over instilling an innate desire in players to improve.

If you ask this question and already know it's "study the characters and learn the matchup" then you've already got the right mentality and won't drop the game as soon as you get washed.

>>719913321 (OP)
you stop being remedial yolo mashing urbanite rog

>>719913321 (OP)
I don't know I got bored of them, just don't feel like playing them

>>719913321 (OP)
>1 hour
is it that bad?

>>719913321 (OP)
just play
the worst thing about fighting games now is the community since netplay has been figured out since covid

>>719913321 (OP)
Learn the game's mechanics and your character's basics.
The "neutral" is so abstract yet so important, and it differs from game to game. You won't find the answers to everything by watching good players alone, just play and learn from your mistakes.

>>719913463
That's no doubt the right mindset to take in if you want the full experience. The question is how many people actually are willing to do that in order to sustain the genre as is. It's very niche whereas a genre like souls that tells you to get gud can afford to turn away players because of it's wide appeal.

just pick top tier

>>719913321 (OP)
>how does one get into fighting games?
I've tried but to be honest I don't feel like putting hours in practice mode, and playing at a shitter level can be fun for like 2 hours then becomes extremely repetitive.

I guess I spent all my competitive energy in Overwatch, Rocket League and Apex Legends, nowadays I prefer single player experiences

>>719913321 (OP)
>e-celeb opinions
discarded

>>719913321 (OP)
What does he say in the video? Tyler1 got master in like 100 hours or something right, he's one of the best examples of how you can learn the genre quickly if you have a good head on your shoulders.

clayton already explained multiple times why FGs are dead

Which fightans do i play

>>719913463
I don't know about other fighting games, but I picked up Tekken 8 as my first one and season 2 killed all desire in me to improve. This game is so bad right now that I will never pick up a fighting game ever again. I am not going to waste so much of my life on something that the people making it don't respect. There is so much knowledge in Tekken 8 and yet the game itself completely disrespects you. Think about Jin's heat smash for all of season 1. For over a year they did absolutely nothing to nerf it. A completely stupid and overpowered move. They nerf it in season 2 and it's still insane. I'm sick of this shit. The developers know the state of the game and they're trying to tell me "you'll get on your knees and keep sucking." No, I won't. Go fuck yourself.

>>719913321 (OP)
The best fighting game is niddhog.

Skill gap = someone isn't having fun
Clubbing seals isn't fun for good players
Getting their teeth kicked in and perfect'd isn't fun for newfags
Also get fucked if you don't want to play anything that's not SF6

>>719913321 (OP)
>>719915932
Yup. I have much more fun playing them in person, but I hardly ever get the chance to do that.

>>719917662
The answer is in your heart.

>>719917236
>100 hours
>quickly
>plus, he was on the clock the entire time

All versions of KoFXV are 60% off on Steam rn

>>719913321 (OP)
Losing to internet strangers isn't fun

>>719918095
ok im picking last blade 2`

>>719917754
>I picked up Tekken 8 as my first one
I'm so fucking sorry dude. Get your bros together and play some Tekken Tag or Soulcalibur II with them if you want a good time.

We were close, and I mean really close, to a fighting game renaissance that would both bring in new blood and maintain the depth and elegance the genre was once known for, but soive singlehandedly destroyed it all.

>>719918145
sounds like you're jealous

>>719918218
Especially when they won't even talk to you.
>>719918236
Good choice!

>>719917754
>"you'll get on your knees and keep sucking."
all tekkenbabs did though i remember pdx and mainman sf6 streams where they got so tilted from losing they went back to yikken 8

>>719918236
Have fun.

>>719918286
>soive
you mistyped sf5 causing the great fightan drought

GBVSR is unironically the best contemporary, currently-in-competitions fitan as of this date.

>>719916892
The issue there is you're expected to "git gud" against an AI that sticks to understandable patterns and signs. Expecting people to "git gud" when they need to apply that to someone else who's just as invested as them in winning it takes on a whole new level of hopelessness when it goes badly. That's when recognition of flowcharts, gameplans, and character tools enters into the equation and that's the step a lot of new fighting game players struggle with.

>>719918341
>Especially when they won't even talk to you.
i get a lot of hate comments in my steam profile though

>>719918457
Nah, SF5 was kino. Soive was the downfall.

this is your goat?

>>719918457
SF5 was a huge misstep, but Strive basically caused a widespread replacement of existing fighting game fans with newer, much more annoying ones.

>>719918720
>replacement of existing goober gear posers that didnt played xturd with actual players
ftfy

>>719913321 (OP)
he didn't want to say part of the problem was all the trannies but know that he thinks this way

>>719918709
Is this really a problem in sf6? wow that looks awful

>>719918790
You misunderstand me. It turned people away from the scene in general. You're also blowing smoke up my ass.

>>719917754
Tekken 8 is a mess of a fighting game, you're seeing the series at some of its worst.

>>719918840
Playing SF6 feels like self-harm to me. I wish I didn't feel that way about it; I like a lot of things about the game.

>>719913321 (OP)
>how does one get into fighting games?
Fighting games don't provide enough enjoyment to justify the insane amount of time that you need to invest in them to start having fun

Which fighting game story mode is basicaly this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn8a8CnkuRI

Play that shit like you just got yo' mothafuckin' check and you 'bout to pick up some dank

>>719919013
Blazblue after calamity trigger

>>719918709
I will never forgive capcom for what they did to my actual legitimate nigger Ken

>be a genre born of arcades and with one of the highest bars for entry...
>a genre that became loved because it sorted the wheat from the scrubbby chaff
>cue: console generation and casual """gamers"""
>"WHAAAAAAAA... TOO HARD!!"
>add training modes
>"WHAAAAAAAA... TOO HARD!!"
>add tutorials
>"WHAAAAAAAA... TOO HARD!!"
>add missions modes
>"WHAAAAAAAA... TOO HARD!!"
>add non-PvP ancillary modes
>"WHAAAAAAAA... TOO HARD!!"
>make inputs lenient
>"WHAAAAAAAA... TOO HARD!!"
>homogenise characters and and dumb-down commands
>"WHAAAAAAAA... TOO HARD!!"
>add idiotic, effective cheat controls ("Modern", "Smart Style")
>...
>casuals you spent two decades gutting your genre to court, all move on to next shiny non-fighting game thing
>post credits scene: it's 2025, and the entire genre is propped up by one, niggered-up, baboon-ugly, Splatoon-looking game that most only play faute de mieux
Moral of the story:
When you sell your sovl in escrow to the (((Devil))), don't be surprised if the fine that you didn't check, reads "NO REFUNDS".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgA_nK_w3A&t=664s

>>719918489
It is so much fun to watch GBVS tourneys until Metera/Ferry comes on screen
I legit just alt tab until it's over, or they're getting rekt by a rushdown. It's just so fucking boring. Nothing fun or unexpected happens.

Wasn't Tekken 8 actually great before season 2? Why is everyone chimping out about one fucking patch? Like nigga just wait a patch lmao

>>719919145
you miss his banana hair?

>>719919214
I've been loving Tororo's Percival gameplay recently. Watching meterafags makes me want to learn metera thoughbeit

>>719913321 (OP)
You have to not be retarded for one, which for most people is already a filter itself.

>>719913463
Retard. Fighting games dying has nothing to do with them becoming casual. In fact the literal only successful fighting game is Mortal Kombat which is the most casualised one out there so it takes too seconds to instantly prove this monumentally stupid post objectively false. Nah the reason fighting games died is because people don't like losing and getting to the point where you don't lose takes too much effort because the fighting game fandom has filtered out everyone who isn't a mega sweatlord. Now the only place for fighting games is causal couch coop because fucking nobody wants to bother fighting against some sweaty faggot who has spent 9000 hours learning everyone. Why the fuck would people want to do that when they can just play other, better genres?

>>719913321 (OP)
Fighting game degens deserve all the shit headed their way. There is so much undeserved self-aggrandizement that it is absurd.

>>719919238
No, lol. There was even worse shit early in the game's lifespan (like Devil Jin having infinite range on his u/f+1, Heat Smashes having insane tracking, or Heat Engagers leaving the opponent at something like -17).

>>719919172
>posting core fraud gaming as his argument
yikes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsC8io4w1sY

>>719913438
Pretty much this. In fact, within a decade, I see the F/G online environment going from an approximation of competitive arcades, to being what the "World Tour" type modes are today: The exclusive haunt for those who do not play fighting games.

>>719919454
I was having fun with CvS2 in CFC2 until everyone ghosted the game...

>>719919238
>Wasn't Tekken 8 actually great before season 2?
The heihachi dlc didn't help and people already had problems prior to the shitstorm that was S2
>Why is everyone chimping out about one fucking patch?
iirc the game became unplayable and the devs refused to fix it out of spite and only ever folded when the steam reviews reached negative 30% or something like that

>>719919391
Ah that sucks, I heard it was a recent thing. I actually really wanted to buy it and play Clive because I'm IRL a homosexual

>>719919547
>I'm IRL a homosexual
My condolences

The Modern control scheme found in every new fighter is gay as fuck and I don't give a shit if fighting games die as a genre, modern controls need to be removed and never discussed again.

>>719919547
to be honest if you wanted to play clive you didnt wanted to play tekken in first place so go for it

>>719919624
Is Clive worth playing regardless? This is basically what I'm hinging my purchase on

>>719919403
>one-word shit-posts

>>719919145
Ken's my hapa nigga for life as well, but I actually like estranged husband Ken. I enjoyed the comic they put out before the game came out, too.

>>719919238
>Wasn't Tekken 8 actually great before season 2?
No, I didn't think so. The Heat mechanic sucks.

>Get reccomended uni2 as the most epic hardcore modern game
>it plays like fighterZ but without the drip (its shit)
Bros?

>>719919686
The kicker is that, for Nigger Slider 6, Crapcom were going to drop "classic" controls altogether; only back-peddling because the handful of old school devs left on the team (by now, all replaced with feculent poojeets now) warned that it may "alienate veteran fans" (jej). I wish they had dropped it, as it would have saved be a few dollars and disk space for something I doubt I'll ever play again.

>O/C made over six years ago

>>719919968
what does heart button do?

>>719919868
I miss launch DBFZ. Does it play like that?

>>719919373
Fighting games are dead because people don't want to lose and they can't blame it on other people.

>>719920052
no it play like the gay powercrept bamco patch version

>>719913321 (OP)
is this a real video?

>>719913463
>pushing towards accessibility over instilling an innate desire in players to improve
Yeah; it's called the PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, and just as electron flow, people will always gravitate towards what's "easier" -- be that gameplay, game design, money-making, or whatever.

Today, that pursuit of "easier" has become a rollicking race to the bottom: Ushered in by the lowering of the First World's ramparts to the Third World (a. k. a., "globalism"); and it will conclude in the dissolution of all human creativity which once resulted the things that once made living "worth it".

>>719920038
That obviously makes everybody's Lovenses buzz.

>>719920038
It pumps in another dose of mRNA... Kind of like a choke for a diesel engine.

>>719919373
You realize this is just a loop you're going around, right? People can't stand losing because they think putting in the work to figuring out why they lost, instead getting coddled by overly simplified mechanics in a desperate attempt to get the genre to be more appealing broadly.

>>719919758
Less so than when he debuted (he had a broken-ass Heat Engager at launch that people spammed like a motherfucker because it was unpunishable, even though it really shouldn't have been) but still relatively strong.

>>719918145
Getting to master rank in any game often takes much, much longer than 100 hours.

>>719920112
Damn...

>>719913438
SPBP
Reject modern fightslop, return to the actual good stuff.

>>719920562
...like?

>>719915932
>"netplay has been figured out"
>clearly, referring to the "roll-back" meme
>fails to realise that roll-back = code taking control of a match, by interpolating dropped frames, even dropped inputs
>mostly unnoticed by casuals, as they spam the same shit, and the code can simply keep spamming whatever they were doing
>for those who play on reaction, evident at anything approaching 50ms of latency
>thus, by default, roll-back net code = compromised gameplay, little different to one using macros / scripts
Causal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JHetORRpfQ

>>719919373
Mortal Kombat has like 300 billion knowledge checks per game, way more than Street Fighter and anime fighters, wtf are you talking about

>>719913321 (OP)
get your ass beat for a few hundred hours

>>719919373
explain mobas? average playtime on a moba is well over 1000 hours, much higher than the average playtime of a fighting game player. in fact i'm sure the top 1% of mobas also play the game far more than the top 1% of fighting games. where are the korean bootcamps where you play 14 hours a day for mortal kombat? does not exist because it's not as sweaty. accept the facts, fighting games are for casuals and autistic retards who are too shitty at other genres so they stick to the one they can win at

I only find fighting games fun if playing against an opponent at a similar skill level, and finding such opponents always proves so difficult that the games end up feeling like a chore.

>>719920849
If you lose in a moba, you can cope by blaming your team. Yours wins and loses in a fighting game rest solely on your own skills.

>>719920886
>>719920751
>>719920379
>>719920308
>>719919454
>>719919172
who let /fgg/ schizo out of his cuckcage

>>719920751
its crazy that people are so stupid now that theres ones unironically defending delay based p2p netcode

>>719920989
so true sis i love when troonback just eat my inputs and rewards mashers YABA DABBA DOOO

what does the "FGC" even do as a "community." like what is even the discourse
>le too hard
>le no teammates
>le new bad
gee great seems like every base is covered, see you next thread? it's the same shit every time

The issue is the same as all skills, trades, and hobbies; how to get to the same state of enjoyment of the process without removing/destroying the process itself.

>>719921103
>what does the "FGC" even do as a "community."
they are the corporate mouthpieces to shill new games/existing mainstream games and chipotle

>>719913463
I already have a 9-5 I don't need games with infinite grinding and little to no payoff on top of being punishing.

what are some good resources to learn VF? and is VF4 good enough?
I wanna prepare for the beta to decide if I should buy VF5

Lookie here.
Fighting games =
>men playing games where men wrestle around with other sweaty men in homo eroticism
Racing games =
>one man in control of 5000 pounds of steel traveling at high velocity
are fighting bros closet homos? why not take the man pill and come to the racing side?

>>719920786
>Mortal Kombat has like 300 billion knowledge checks per game
Nah... It's just that NRS games cannot be "mashed"; whereas, most others can. The real distinction is that NRS games are ANTICIPATORY, as distinct from the the normal, REACTIONARY model that most fighting games adopted:
>"anticipatory"
everything done is pre-planned and not done on reaction -- e. g., a combo starting with a jumping attack is input whilst still airborne, and then plays out after the character lands.
>"reactionary"
everything is done as a real-time response to what's taking place -- e. g., if a jump-in attack is blocked, "dialing in" the combo will not play out, which gives the player the window to adjust on the fly; "hit confirms" are also more relevant, as things are done as a reaction, not in anticipation

That is why NRS games boil down to either fishing for openings to land rote combo strings, or just projectile spams (why they never allow projectiles to cancel); versus something like SF, which allows for a less "turn-based" style of play. Of course, the latter model inherently allows for mashing to 'work': In Ghetto Slider 6's case, when dovetailed with the baby mode controls, mashing can even be competitively viable; and because the game also incorporates canned chains (Yiddish: "target comboes"), it also allows for more NRS style rote "dialing" of block attacks; facilitating the hyper-aggressive, rush-down shit-fest that the game 99% boils down to.

>>719920654
Well, I myself play Tekken Dark Resurrection on my vita these days, and Matrimelee/Killer instinct 1+2 on RetroArch. There are lots of old fightans that are so fun to play
>But I want to play competitively
Playing fighting games for their e-slop aspect, is an eventual waste of time. You will see it when you hit high ranks. Just play for fun. If you are still adamant about being competitive, try 3rd strike and capcom's jojo on Fightcade. They are ages better than modern fightshit games like TK8 and SF6

>>719921061
Rollback doesn't have to eat inputs. That's more of a fightcade problem

>>719913321 (OP)
>Get raped for dozens upon dozens of hours by people that have been able to carry their skills over from every game since SF2 until you probably maybe sometimes get marginally better as in a 15 second increase to how long you can stay alive before you succumb to the raping
Fighting games are following the same downwards trajectory as arena shooters but the numbers are being carried by Asians and blacks.

>>719913438
Rivals of Aether 2 is the exception

>>719913321 (OP)
thousands of hours on league GREAT hundreds of hours in a fighting game BAD

>>719921734
It inherently does, though. It's just that in shallower the games -- those in which players tend to spam rote BnB's, compounded by overbearing universal mechanics dictating play -- the dropped inputs are more accurately compensated for by the code, and for the self-explanatory reason that there are less permutations for it read on the fly. Conversely, in a deeper fighter, someone doing a lot of diverse shit and playing on reaction -- who won't likely be doing the same things over and over -- roll-back will more often get things wrong when it does have to step in. Something like Third Strike would not fair as well with roll-back as Wakanda Slider 6 would -- e. g., a 2-frame parry would not likely be accurately simulated if the input were dropped; while a mashed counter-Drive Impact would.

In the exampled game, I've had a few hundred-millisecond-plus lag games against chinks (forced to play them because of Crapcom's retarded "yellow flag" system not discriminating pre-match crashes from mid-bout ALT-F4's), where I've had landed command throws cut mid-animation and turn into my character being thrown! That is roll-back in extremis -- where the lag is so much that it, literally, just "guesses" incorrectly... And, yes -- as implied, I don't rote spam shit when I do play (Manon) that god-awful game; rather, I play "old school" and react to whatever they do to me... Hence, getting / seeing the rough end of the roll-back stick more often than the average baby controls Ken user would.

>>719922118
That's not a fighting game; it's a 2-D arena brawler belonging to the "party game" sub-genre.

>apples and oranges

I'm actually very interested in fighting game single player, I just don't care about fluff modes beyond arcade ladder, I just want matches that feel closer to fighting a real person. Capitalizing on punish opportunities seems like the big hurdle, you get away with so much more flagrantly unsafe shit against most CPUs. Some do come closer than others though. SNK stuff has a reputation for being hard but a lot of times it's just cheesing you the way a real player might. Actually makes for some pretty fun clears.

>>719922958
sf6 v rival system :)

>>719913321 (OP)
>how does one get into fighting games?
You don't, unless you want to study. Each of the popular games has a decade plus of game knowledge you'd need to compete with people and if you're not going to study combos, matchups, and meta then you're going to have a bad time fighting other people

>>719919238
>Why is everyone chimping out about one fucking patch?
It was a pretty big update anon. That isn't something they can just fix in another patch, and even if they could, they wouldn't want to admit they were wrong.

its over

>>719913321 (OP)
I don't play fighting games because the inputs with my controller are too scuffed and I am not paying money for the weird joystick keyboard fighting game fans use.
But more importantly I fucking hate when the enemy is doing a 4hour combo on you but you have to pay attention in case he messes up a single step. So fucking lame

Everything DSP and LTG says is 100% true

>>719913321 (OP)
Have autism and no responsibilities

>>719923919
^Core values

>>719922885
It's a fighting game. Says so right there.

>>719919172
not a problem for smash bros
cope

>>719918709
This is like seeing Fedor get dropped all over again.

>>719922683
I could do 4 (and even 3 while walking forward) frame srk inputs in HD Remix with up to 100-150 ms opponents and never suffer a dropped input. I think input drops are a problem with implementation

Give me a recommendation for a fighting game /v/.
Don't care if its new or old.
My favorite fighting games in the past have been street fighter and soulcalibur.

>>719925119
Blazblue

>>719925119
I like Granblue Versus Rising because it's the least kuso fighter with JRPG-style characters. No one else really hits that spot. Maybe DNF Duel but it's dogshit and Korean.

The only thing interesting to me about fighting games is scripting scene
You need to have pretty good understanding of the game to make machine be able to win every matchup
And yes, I do find it more impressive than gookclicking buttons manually like legit players do

>>719925570
?

>>719923919
they need to fully model her cockbulge. for equality.

My first fighting game was Tekken 7 and I got RSI putting 100 hours into it using pad. Never made it past green ranks.

Got a BBTAG lobby up if anyone wants to join.
steam://joinlobby/702890/109775243026016273/76561198119591280

Any CvS2 players in the thread? I'm new to the game and I'm trying to learn Ryo. So far,the specials,command normals etc are easy to do but I feel like I'm doing certain inputs incorrectly because his supers are such a pain to dish out. Any advice?

>>719920989
Delay with a good connection was significantly better than memeback, yes.
Seeing shit happen for a fraction of a second only to be corrected after that is jarring as fuck. People automatically sucking off rollback and automatically labeling delay as "le bad" is proof that people are fucking retarded and will just parrot whatever their e-celeb of choice told them.

>>719913463
cope. you retards have been making excuses for decades. instead of telling people to "git gud" why don't you "git a brain" and admit that FGCs just suck to git gud at.

the issue isn't that no one wants to "git gud", it's cause fighting games are absolute dog shit to git gud in. games like chess, League of Legends, and various esports have millions of people willing to put in the work to get good. but fighting games can't keep an audience cause they suck to learn

why would anyone want to
>sit in the "lab" for 100 hours to learn a bunch of blockstrings, combos, and oki setups
>browse discord/twitter/youtube for obscure tech
>relearn new routes every time a new patch drops

when they could
>learn the game by playing the game
>never go into practice mode for a second of their life

>>719929056
not a single person that has ever actually played both a lockstep and a rollback based game online, at least at a level beyond literally randomly mashing on the buttons with no understanding, could believe this.

>it's the "chess is le popular despite being hard" "you can't learn fighting games just by playing!" retard doing his shtick again
How is this faggot not tired of this?
Holy fuck.

>Play ASSFAGGOTS for millions of hours
Stopped there, nobody gives a shit

>>719929518
OK zoomie.
You should go check on Sajam, maybe he has uploaded a new video with fresh opinions you can parrot.

>>719913463
>study and learn the game
>devs add a broken pay 2 win character as dlc in your 80 dollar game
>every FG goy calls you poor and stupid for not buying it day 1
the real reason fighting games aren't popular is because they don't feel good to play

>>719929587
why do you care so much about a genre you clearly don't play anyway?
legitimately 100% of people that actually play fighting games online disagree with you. Even the people still playing delay based games like SF4 and MVC3 play them despite the netcode, and would kill for rollback.

Why play fighting games when I can have a great time fighting multiple people in Elden Ring?
>p-play a real fighting game
Nah there's no point

>>719923245
i got into a fighting game when it was new and it still sucked to learn.

>>719921103
FGC mostly just purity spirals and malds harder than an italian finding a recipe where they put cream in carbonara any time someone complains about something.

>"I grew up with *insert shitty mechanic here* from *insert 20 year old fight game here* so this how how fighting games should be designed in *insert current year here* and everyone else should have to suffer because i did it
>"You don't want to grind 2 hours to learn basic combos? This game isn't for you"
>Why dont people want to play my favorite chinese cartoon RPS simulator?
^thought process of the average unemployed FGC cuck

>>719929754
I don't give a shit what a bunch of idiots think.
I know exactly what I experienced; my SFIV games were fucking FLAWLESS when I stuck to 4-5 bar connections.

>>719929527
cause FGC cucks always make excuses instead of taking accountability for the failures of their genre.

you love telling people to take accountability and git gud but you don't take accountability for why your genre is shit and no one wants to learn it

>>719930073
I don't want more people to learn to play fighting games. Those that want to learn will learn and I get to call all the complainers tards.

it requires hours upon hours to practice the skill to play a fighting game well enough to start enjoying it
most people would realize if they're going to spend that time practicing something for that long and not enjoy it, they'll rather do something else better with that time and effort that isn't a video game

>>719920969
okay now explain chess which is one of the most popular games in the world and has been for centuries

people have no problems playing chess which is a perfect information game based 100% purely on skill.

unlike your chinese RPS simulator there's no luck in chess. you can't blame bad high-low guesses in chess like you can in a fighting game

why do people enjoy chess and not fighting games?

>>719929527
He's right tho.

>>719930383
People don't enjoy chess more, it's more accessible and a status sport for yuppies.

>>719930304
that's pretty much why i gave up fighting games after dragon ball fighterz.

i was ballsdeep into that game but i hated

>the faggot community constantly purity spiraling and pearl clutching about whatever archaic mechanic from 1992.
>the amount of time it takes to learn a new fighting game
>the amount of RPS that happens
>the fact that i had to hop in "the lab" to learn something as fundamental to the game as a basic combo

fighting games could easily succeed - just look at super smash bros. it's more or less a fighting game no matter how much FGC faggots act like they're better than Smash.

but fighting games don't succeed because the FGC community is full of retards who spend 90% of their time acting like fighting games are 100% perfect and it's the new players who are the problem

i'd love to play more fighting games because they're actually really fun to play. they just suck balls to learn. low IQ FGC cucks would rather act like everything is perfect than admit their genre has issues.

>>719929991
yeah you probably mashed randomly while the delay bounced between 2 and 12 but couldn't tell because you don't know what you're doing, and when in rollback connections of the same quality you see a couple of rollbacks and lose your mind because that's obvious visually instead, which is more noticeable when you're mashing and don't really know what buttons are supposed to be coming out when anyway.
perfect connections are fine in delay, but you don't see rollbacks in perfect connections either, because rollback also includes a small amount of delay, if you see a rollback it is by definition a connection where the delay would have had to increase in lockstep networking, and its way more tolerant of instability or temporary jitter than pure delay, and handles simple higher latency much more gracefully because it doesn't fuck with your inputs. A sub 50ms 0 jitter connection is the same on delay and rollback, but increase it to a 100ms connection and it's fine on rollback but shitty on delay, or 50ms and 30ms of jitter or some packet loss and again rollback is fine as long as it's not too sever but delay just breaks.

Nothing will ever make a shitty connection good and a perfect connection doesn't care what kind of netcode you use, but rollback is better in literally every situation between those two ends.

>>719930849
There is no issue, go play Smash and stop complaining about the genre. Execution requirements are part of the balance in the game and if you want to simplify commands you have to remove moves.

>>719930565
>Status sport for yuppies
FGC is a status sport for dorks who couldn't get into martial arts or actual sports, ever wonder why blacks love it? Also FGC requires neet amount of hours and expensive equipment so it's more yuppie than chess which is literally free.

fighting games are easy
just do shit

>>719913321 (OP)
kwab

>>719913321 (OP)
Video games, faggot, VIDEO GAMES!

Fighting games feel slow and restrictive and clunky. I want to be able to move in 3 dimensions, souls games are a lot better for pvp, unironically.

Also the fighting game community seems to be all black and brown people.

>>719919373
Unironically this. I grew up playing arcade in the 90s. So zoomers don't really understand the difference between golden age of fighting games and today. Back then, there was barely any tutorials aside from bootleg VHS. People scrub it out and learned IRL. This created a situation where you have plenty of players to play with. Also the game is not that solved that easily because you have to pay to play. It is why it took years before USA learned how to parry multiple hits and how to use aegis reflector from Japs. Compare this today where everyone has access to frame data and pros microanalyze every moveset and upload their findings on Twitter or Youtube. The game can easily be solved within a month. This creates a situation where sweaties dominate the game while scrubs who don't have time to lab will lose 90% of the time. The scrubs eventually lose interest and quit leaving a pool of sweaties trying to compete with each other. The sweaties who lose will then smurf beating up the remaining scrubs to heal their ego. The remaining scrubs quit and the game is basically dead.

>>719918709
This webm perfectly encapsulates why I uninstalled the game

>Drive Rush makes it so losing one interaction means getting carried all the way to the corner
>Throws are so stupidly powerful that getting thrown three times in a row is a regular occurrence because guessing wrong means death due to how much damage can be down off a single hit confirm
>High damage is made even worse due to how powerful lvl 2's and 3's are

Honestly, if they just greatly extended the map range I think most of the problems would be fixed as it would give you a lot more breathing room to make mistakes and not instantly be pushed in the corner but Capcom is never gonna do that.

>>719913463
This. I knew I would love fighting games the moment I saw people playing each other in the arcades. Some dudes just have that particular spirit in them.

>>719929006
Hard to give any advice other than to keep trying them. I mastered those inputs way back on the SNES. I don't even have to think about it these days as it's all muscle memory.

Boils down to
>play regular game
>can have fun playing while also learning core game mechanics
>play fighting game
>can only have fun playing after spending time learning core game mechanics

Its a hard sell to get people to invest hours of practice into a game that they may not even enjoy. They ain't competing with the other games in the arcade or whatever your mom brought home from blockbuster anymore, theyre competing with every other game in existence, most of which are fun right out of the gate.

>>719933008
>Throws are so stupidly powerful
>because guessing wrong means death due to how much damage can be down off a single hit confirm
Do you understand that the reason people take five throws in a row is because they aren't powerful

>>719920654
Samurai Shodown 2
Street Fighter Alpha
Darkstalkers
Marvel Superheroes (+XMen vs Streetfighter + Marvel vs Capcom)
Capcom vs SNK 2
Soul Calibur 2
Virtua Fighter 4 (I'm actually a big fan of 1)
DOA 2
Bloody Roar
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

Other niggers can give you the rundown on more weeb fighters like Blazblue, Meltyblood, GG, etc.

Getting bodied by autists online isn't fun and I have no one to play on the couch with

>>719931360
I want to see more anon gameplay even if it's remedial yolo mashing idgaf, post more self-made webms you double qcf shinku hadouken NIGGERS

>>719918709
>

>>719913321 (OP)
>pick up any neo-geo fighter(I think.)
>start the game.
>watch the quick tutorial showing what buttons do what and the basic mechanics.
>play
It's that simple. "tutorial modes" dump too much crap at your feet at once for the average newbie. Neo-geo has the arcade, jump in the pool cold simplicity that gets you going without hassle. You can get more complicated about it later.

>tfw too poor to get into fighting games
>hundreds of hours
But is fun?

I wanted a fighting game to obsess over but nope, not enough money. Sometimes i think the most important element in gaming is the others player's neural pathways thinking about you. Is like candy. CPU players just don't feel right.

>>719934670
Download MAME, retard.

>>719935415
But I want a custom board too! Ergonomics changed my life gotever.

>>719935653
YWNBAW

>>719934670
wanna learn tekken 8 together? I've never played it.

>>719921501
anyone?

>>719913321 (OP)
I think that it's just not satisfying enough for regular people. Similar to arena FPS and RTS.

I placed top 10 at Evo out of hundreds and I accept that this genre isn't for everyone. Even though there's detailed tutorials and good netcode in every game now, no one wants to play.

>Durr le scrubs dont want to fight le sweats
Matchmaking ensures that scrubs get put up against each other. But still no one wants to play.

>>719934380
>xhe left Killer Instinct out
...

>>719935995
Sorry. I also missed Super Gem Fighter. Haven't played Tekken, before anyone further calls me out.

>>719935826
I am more inclined to SoulCalibur3 kind of games. Hand Weapons, that voice, that visual style.

https://youtu.be/_0AQM6vzXrs

fighting games are too hard
i played a ton and still sucked so I just went to play things i enjoyed more instead of something that just made me feel like shit

>>719921669
This person knows his stuff.
NRS games have their own flavor and are enjoyable. But they definitely play out different and I would argue you get your ass beat harder in NRS games if you don’t know what you’re doing. Pulling off 50% combos is viable and easy, so when you play dumb you can get punished HArD. Compare that to SF6 where only the most autistic practitioner of the game can land a combo over 30%, as you have to perfectly chain all the game mechanics together in nearly perfect timing to land a max damage combo.

>>719934446
I could post real gameplay but that would be less funny

>>719937479
thrilling conclusion

>>719919373
Because there's no genre more skill intensive than fighting games

>be bad
>go into practice mode for a few hours
>go into matches
>get butthurt because I'm bad
>take break for a few weeks
>come back
>be worse
>go into practice mode for a few hours
>repeat

>>719913321 (OP)
Just pick an easy character that deals huge damage. Every fighting games has that archetype.

>>719913463
Truth Nuke: Fighting games are dumb because they aren't based off strategy or knowing the right move. The idiot who picks the wrong move or strategy can and will win if the guy who is smarter than him isn't as good at doing a convoluted input or reacting at 1/60th a second for a combo link. This annoys people who don't like losing because of something that isn't about a competition of wits between the players.

It's like if I played magic the gathering and after every spell I cast I had to do a DDR dance mini game. And if I failed, my spell fizzled.

Inputs should be either basically removed or so lenient that if you know the input you're never gonna drop it

>>719934053
Thank you for proving my point.

>>719939692
Dumb frogposter.

>>719940054
>Playing chess
>about to checkmate
>before I can I must cite the pledge of allegiance backwards
>If I fail then my checkmate is reversed
Amazing game.

>>719940105
Did you or did you not post a fucking frog?
You did
That makes you a dumb frogposter
I have no idea what your post is about, I didn't read it.

>>719940158
You can't argue so you're using an out. SAD!

>>719934446
I finished the story for OG melty about a week ago. Moving onto ReACT I was absolutely floored by the speed but I'm loving it so far; maybe I've actually found the fighting game for me

>>719939692
>>719940105
go back to sucking dicks on reddit

>>719913321 (OP)
You fucking don't. Stick to shit that has soul like platformers and JRPG's.

>>719913321 (OP)
What's the point of making the same fucking threads everyday?

>>719930383
Chess is a much simpler game. I never had to know if my knight move was plus on block or not.

>>719913321 (OP)
>how does one get into fighting games?
You play them.
/thread.

>>719930383
Chess doesn't require you do a challenge before making your move.

>>719931595
every soulsnigger on earth got anally fucked, hard, no condom, no lubrication, uncircumcised thick, FAT brown cockhead up the ass in a fighting game and the sexual trauma harmed them so much they convinced themselves that any soulslike game was hard because they got ruthlessly mogged in games that actually took skill, by someone who's skin was melanated.

>>719940648
Soulsplayers also think souls games are harder than NES games. Souls players are mainly Gen A

>>719913321 (OP)
UFC games have been more fun than almost any modern traditional fighter.
Very easy to pick up and play, hard to master. Fights can be over in seconds or last 25 minutes. Way more interesting to me.
They just barely spend any money on them so they're ugly as fuck. Fuck EA

MODS = FAGGOTS

it's always one of the following
>dude just learn O(n!) gimmick interactions per game
>dude just learn setplay by watching a 2 hour youtube video, and ignore the game entirely after 12 hours of practice (until they patch it)
>dude just learn the developer's favorite character, they'll never patch it also it has more skins and cosmetics than anyone else

>>719913321 (OP)
You think about how cool it might be to get into a fighting game and then just keep it to thoughts because actually trying to get into fighting games is a massive waste of time and energy.

>>719939692
Lemme blow your mind, retarded frog:
Understanding your limits is a part of fighting game strategy. The #1 reason noobs get frustrated is because they overestimate their own abilities and expect too much of themselves. Your attention is a resource that you have to manage.

>>719913463
You forgot one important point tho: Why improve in a game that is dogshit?

>>719913321 (OP)
>spend hours in training mode in 3S practicing combos
>never even play a match

Holy shit I'm autistic

>>719942524
Hey, labbing is fun as fuck.

>>719918709
Daigo is old and didn't come from an era of street fighter where you could green slime your way into your opponents face in less than a second. Leave my drunk ojisan alone

>>719942045
Thanks for admitting that the only way to get into fighting games is to be naturally good at them in the first place. A player who doesn't is guaranteed to lose to most other players in most fighting games because the ones who were naturally good were the only ones who stuck with them. Defending against oki is a literal guessing game with no depth and is completely unfun. Only naturally good players stick with fighting games because they don't have to do it as often.

>>719934053
I have been trying to explain this since throw loops were in Jive it's a hopeless endeavour. Unless you have 25 frame tech window throws that lose to strikes or can option select the piss out of throw defense people will bitch about throws.

Don't like fighting games that let you punch girls. really awful thing to do.

>>719934446
i wish i made a few more webms in my short stint in GGST, but accessing replays is a pain in the ass

How do you pick your mains? It's either top-tier, looks cool/sexy, or feel natural to play as

>>719913463
came to have fun, not have monkey rage tantrums from the opponent or deal with opps got caught in an fnfinite combo loop, damn lil timmy is also not having fun, yeah I'd like to return this game

What do you guys think of a fighting game like this
>there are no corners
>all knockdowns send the opponent flying away from you (no oki ever)
>"N-nobody will go for knock downs then", you might say. Well, the dash forward off the knock down is the most lucrative way to acquire meter in the game.
>extremely intense negative penalty system. 1 backdash = warning, 2 = you're done
Basically, I want a fighting game that's as anti-set play as possible with a heavy focus on aggressive neutral and player interaction.

>>719944872
THATS A MAN, BABY!

>>719913321 (OP)
don't unless you're an autist and a nigger

>>719943178
completely ignored my point.
Good players are good because they manage their attention better; It's a skill you can learn.
It's not about being "naturally good" by having superhuman reflexes or some shit.

>oki
Forcing your opponent to guess is your reward for outplaying them. It's supposed to suck for the defender. That's like saying "chess sucks because i lose all my pieces".

>>719944872
>there are no corners
couldn't you just kite forever
just do some chip damage with a projectile and run away until timeout

I can literally say the same shit about the dumb assfaggots games this dude plays, except they're 100 times worse than any fighting game

>>719946182
They could certainly incrementally backpedal, but the person approaching forward is gaining more meter than them.

>>719913321 (OP)
I learned how to really fight in that time, now I'm a black belt in like 3 different arts.

>>719946162
no top fighting game player was ever bad for an extended amount of time
just like any sport you need a certain talent

>>719922885
dont even get me started with niggas that only play smash bros, you could pick up any of the fucking FGC characters in the game you would have absolute fucking leverage against your opponent its almost unfair how much of an advantage you have over your opponent because they're playing checkers and you're playing chess. I once killed a Lucina player doing nothing but Rising tackles and Powerwaves because I knew that I could get away with it and Smashers dont understand that jumping at someone with an invincible wake up is retarded.

sounds awful

Fighting games are only fun against your bros in a couch/arcade environment, all the new ones are awful sweatfests

>>719944872
>>719946308
who cares about meter if you can just run away forever with the life lead?

>>719919172
Dial moves are bad game design it’s an ancient gimmick from Capcom

>>719946915
>all the new ones are awful sweatfests
Motherfucker, every single fighting game released in the past 2 years is casual as fuck.

>>719944872
>getting rid of a core mechanic you don't like and replacing it with one even more intrusive and contrived
getting put in the corner is already the negative penalty for running away, and oki is interactive anyway

>>719913321 (OP)
autism, and having family members force you to play against them when you are younger due to a lack of games in the household

I've never met someone who is "into fighting games" who is also a reasonable and well-adjusted person, they are always a weirdo or some wannabe-ghetto dickhead

>>719947542
Sounds like a (You) problem

>>719940198
OG release Melty is barely a fighting game considering how clunky it is, I had to play the story mode in ReACT right away.

>>719931264
>FGC is a status sport for dorks who couldn't get into martial arts or actual sports
That's not fair, anon isn't going to be able to recover from that amount of truth

Fighting games suck because of Skill Based Match Making.
Back in the days of arcades or sitting on a friends couch you could be king of the hill, the big fish in the small pond. And if you were a cool dude you could win your locales and go lose at regionals and have a fun time.

Now? If you're on the ladder you eat shit. You eat shit all the time.
And fighting games are one of the few places where elo/glicko actually works and is fair. But fair still sucks dick.

>>719946162
>completely ignored my point.
just like you completely ignore the player numbers being pitiful for fighting games for a reason....

>>719947607
Sounds like I struck and nerve and you had to try and deflect quickly

>>719947842
OK retard.

>>719913321 (OP)
you need to like playing them in the first place.

>>719913321 (OP)
>buy game
>pick character you think looks cool
>fuck around in practice/arcade/whatever
>hop into ranked
>(probably) get bodied
>[this is the important one] don't quit
It really is that simple. All you need to do to 'get into' fighting games is not quit when you get bodied
However, because you have no teammates to blame, this filters most players with fragile egos (but not all, see LTG).
This filtering process simply filters too many players to sustain or reasonably grow the genre.