Thread 719914689

>Pick up Etrian Odyssey because it's colorful with lots of cute characters
>End up with a game extremely hostile to (You) in all possible manners
What the fuck is this?
>Find deer, it guts your entire party
>See cute squirrel, it mugs you
>Go into a corner hoping for loot, 8 giga roided radscorpionsTM that can one-shot anyone not very tanky ambush you in an inescapable fight where you can't even see their weaknesses till the whole thing is over
>Walk around, fall into a floor where the ground is lava
>Just randomly kick a rock along the road, it magically ricochets back to your head so hard you take damage
EVIL GAME I SAY, EVIL

>>719914689 (OP)
The series that eo is based on, had an instalment where an old wizard bevoes jewish to avoid his sins...after killing childrens.

>>719914780
wow just like real life

>>719914689 (OP)
didn't you see the video, anon?
F O E

What other drpgs have catchy soundtracks? I find that's a big part of what helps carry me through a rpg.

Apparently the EO composer is helping with a new indie cuck crawler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH6J-gO_HnM

Etrian Odyssey is basically meant to be a throwback to the days of Wizardry but with a cute anime aesthetic on top. And just like Wizardry, it will kick you in the fucking dick because you chanced upon a hostile encounter that looked at you funny.

I want to play another blobber in the vein of EO but I don't know what ones are actually good. I was thinking of playing either Labyrinth of Refrain or Mary Skelter, are they good?

>>719914689 (OP)
EO2 has a bunch of bullshit that was too much even for the series like guaranteed ambush formations or 0 XP FOEs, newer games addressed these problems but they're still hard in more interesting ways.

>>719915496
>autobattler

>>719915714
>0 XP FOEs
Honestly this one is a kick in the nuts more than it is a difficulty thing, just makes killing them kinda unsatisfying even though you're probably making traversal easier and you get some loot occasionally

Squirrels are really cute.

>>719916426
They would be if those NIGGERS didn't steal my fucking LIFELINE IN THIS FUCKING HELLHOLE

>>719914689 (OP)
Babby's first time playing a dungeon crawler? Welcome.

Make a tierlist of the EO3 classes, now

>>719915496
If we're shilling things the staff are working on there's also this:
https://youtu.be/jS2uKLasMjA?feature=shared

>>719918264
>Sw*tch exclusive that looks worse than DS titles

>>719914689 (OP)
>Pick up Etrian Odyssey because it's colorful with lots of cute characters
>End up with a game extremely hostile to (You) in all possible manners

It's amazing, right? You come for the cute girls and you stay for the great RPG mechanics, amazing art and music, high difficulty and depictions of explorers suffering gorish ends within the labyrinth.

>>719916015
I mean it's a pseudo-autobattler, sounds like you have to set their tactics and still gear and level em up yourself

>>719918264
That's just 7th dragon (DS) except it look shittier.

>>719914689 (OP)
The squirrels and deer is one of the things I don't like about EO, the monsters are mostly shit. They don't need to be SMT-tier shitting dicknipple demons but you kill enough crabs and beavers and you start craving a goblin to murder

>>719915698
I enjoyed Mary Skelter, haven't played Labyrinth of Refrain yet.
It's not too difficult however.
I haven't played the third one yet, but if you decide to pick it up skip 1 and just get 2. 2 contains a full remake of 1 with less bullshit map design.

>>719920136
*Dragon Quest 3, even the classes are the same.

Let's settle this
Do you draw under doors, passages, stairs and chests or not

>>719921690
No, each square has its own designated slot and drawing under icons looks ugly.

>>719921690
Yes.
Only someone who doesn't understand how maps work disagrees.

ok but what about this?

>>719921690
No. Impassible tiles don't get painted, with the exception of water or holes when it's relevantly different from a wall tile.

>>719922601
C

Can you still share guilds in the pc trilogy?

>>719914689 (OP)
these games are boring
I felt tricked into playing

>>719918264
Cute trailer, but goddamn it looks like they smeared Vaseline on the screen and called it a visual style. I get it's a small team, but you can't follow up EO and 7th Dragon with whatever this blurry mess is. Wake me up when they hire someone who knows how to draw pixels that pop.

>>719917462
Arbalist >>>>> Whatever else because big dumb front mortar damage numbers tickle my brain.

>>719921690
Doors, yes, because they usually have a visible walkway when you open them. Passages, no, because there usually isn't a visible passage when you use them. I am very correct.

>>719921690
Of those, I only draw under chests.

wizardery reference

What other alternative playstyles are even available to big shield/guardian class characters.
Hard mode: must make thematic sense, no magic bs out the ass.

>>719918264
The world and UI art doesn't mesh with Himukai's at all, it looks like something out of a mobile game.

>>719918264
There's like one loli/flat portrait I see, wake me up when they add at least four or five more.

>>719922649
>Doors are impossible tiles
You can literally walk through them nigga

>>719924818
Original Fortress design which uses two shields that double as gauntlets, so it can also subclass as a brawler class.

>>719917462
>>719923584
What the other guy said but buccaneer because YARR HARR FIDDLETY DEE

>>719917462
Robutt > Princess >>> Everything else

>>719924850
I think this is the first game from that dev that isn't in first person and they clearly don't know what the fuck they're doing.

>>719914689 (OP)
Yeah I tried this when it came out on DS and I really wanted to love it but I did not understand the gameplay. I kept getting decimated by everything.

>>719918264
Delicious chocolate queen. But it doesn't look exciting, reminds me of the Mystery Dungeon games.

>>719926242
Early game is always the hardest part of every EO, since you barely have any skills, the first enemies can take one party member in 2-3 hits and heals and MP are limited so you have to constantly go back to town to rest. Past the first stratum, things start getting more manageable.

I am a little confused. They remade the first game for the 3ds and then an HD remaster of the original? Or is it a remaster of Millennium?

>>719925735
you can't stand on the tile in a doorway. Doors simply teleport you to the other side.

>>719926508
No, you automatically step on that floor to go through. Biiiiig difference.

>>719926270
>condom belt

>>719914689 (OP)
Remember to max out Str Up ASAP on all of your physical damage classes in EO2.

>>719921690
>Do you draw under;

>doors
Yep
>passages
Nope.
>stairs
Yep
>and chests
Yep

Passages are just fucking doors, draw under them too losers

>>719926576
It only takes 1 turn of foe movement so that means you only pass through 1 tile. If you stepped on the middle tile then it would take 2 steps.

>>719926628
Why are the stat formulas in 2 so fucking stupid?

>>719926739
Do you go ahead and manually fucking erase all ice tiles too anon?

>>719926767
it just werks

>>719926730
No, you're going through the wall.
That's not the ground.

>>719917462
The boob princess makes my pp hard

Is there a literal void underneath?
No floor.
Is it supposed to be standing on ground?
I draw the floor.
Simple as, autists.

>>719917462
Hoplite > Gladiator > Shogun > Princess > Arbalist > Ninja > Monk > Buccaneer > Zodiac > Wildling > Yggdroid > Farmer

>>719926792
Ice tiles get colored yellow as a floor gimmick you can walk on. Similar to the comment earlier about water being drawn when it's functionally different from a wall, ice is functionally different from a door since you can approach it from multiple directions. There's also no fixed starting and ending points to where you can move on it other than what the dungeon design allows.

>>719926493
Untold and Untold 2 are new games that are based on EO1 and 2. They have story modes and "classic" modes that have altered floor layouts, enemies, items, skills, customization options, etc. You could technically play them as EO 1 and 2 on the modern version of the engine, but it wouldn't be the same.

Since Untold 1 and Untold 2 are not EO 1 or 2, the HD Collection used 5/Nexus as a basis and then ported EO 1, 2 and 3 to it. This means these games have all the fixes and convenience features of later games (better mapping, dashing, side stepping) alongside bug fixes and minor balance tweaks.

>>719927068
>wildling that low
wrong

>>719926493
First and second games were remade on 3DS back when Atlus actually cared about the series, and they apparently were working on the remake of the third game which would have had all five EO games in one single console, but instead they apparently cancelled it shortly after development started and repurposed it for the anniversary game, Nexus, which is why the superboss of that game has the EOIII superboss' theme.

The HD remaster is just the three original DS games with prettier graphics a couple of important fixes. And some paid DLC, because Atlus gotta Atlus.

In the meantime, we're all still waiting for Next Stage. Did you know they teased it 7 years ago? Yeah, we haven't gotten a brand new game since then.

>>719927076
>Ice
>Yellow
Go die.

>>719927171
not my fault the game only gives you 3 colors to pick from. Blue is for normal tiles, red is for damage tiles, and yellow has to cover everything else.

>>719927129
Anything above yggdroid is considered good but it has non existent subclass potential especially when ninja exists

>>719927132
>when Atlus actually cared
I mean you say this, but EOOC is the only Atlus remaster you could just call an objective improvement.

>>719927226
yggdroid is a good class though

>>719927212
Absolutely unforgivable on your part. I'd respect erasing the tiles more.

>>719927312
then what color do you paint the ice, red? or do you recolor the regular walking tiles just to give the ice blue.

>>719927247
Yeah, now if only they hadn't sold it for $80 and had released a physical version outside of Asia. I'm still mad.

>>719927272
When a classes main selling point is that you can ignore it’s skills entirely, it’s a bad class.

>>719927539
you can ignore all the active skills sure, but the passives and base stats are very good. Complete immunity to binds is a crazy good passive and you get it completely for free.

>>719914689 (OP)
>bought 1 instead of the first three games on steam thinking the bundle's price would go down after each purchase
>it doesn't go down
whelp that's my price for not expecting atlus to be greedy.

How's this for a 3 party?
Buccaneer, Princess, Zodiac, Gladiator, Arbalist

I wish there was a game like etrian odyssey but the combat was more like final fantasy tactics.
Not because I don't like etrian, I just enjoy moving on a battlefield in a turn based game more than the X niggas in Y rows style of combat.

>cant even play anything other than the dogshit forumaelic 1-3 part series on steam
so tiresome

>>719926837
Where's your tank, bro....

>>719914689 (OP)
I enjoyed IV and V but I still haven't gotten past the first dungeon in III. It feels like a slog to progress and the first stratum boss is a pain in the ass.

I'll make a new Etrian with H scenes. It will have unique bad end mechanics for each female of each class. They will all be naedoko with cumflation, popping out tentacle and monster babies until they die.

>>719915496
https://hasu2010.bandcamp.com/album/path-of-the-abyss-original-soundtrack
Same guy who did the soundtrack for Devil Blade. I suggest checking Into the Abyss and Warcry.

>>719928082
Make monster girls to rape the males in the classes, too.

>>719928139
i dont speak gongagingan

>>719928082
>have to lose to enjoy the porn
bad game design unless you make the enemies mostergirls you get to fuck when you win.

>>719926628
I wish I actually knew what the stats truly did

>>719921690
I only draw door and spin tiles

>>719928281
I linked an English site.

>>719915698
If you like EO you should try Wizardry 1-3 and Dungeon Travelers 2/2-2. To a lesser degree, Strange Journey Redux.

>>719928543
>play this game
>its in moonrunes

>>719928635
>Look up Dungeon Travelers 2/2-2
>This is the first picture I get of it
Aieee...

>>719927079
And yet they didn't bother to port in the 3D models.

>>719928053
Why would you ever need to waste space on a tank when you have hexer?

>>719928515
the only stats worth raising in 2 are str, tec on alchemist, hp up and tp up

>>719928515
they've been data mined forever ago. You can go look it up. Here's the physical damage formula, since the first image mentioned maxing str first.
Attack = [UserSTR + (WeaponPower / 2)] * (20 + UserSTR) * (20 + WeaponPower)

>>719928053
just kill shit fast and you don't need a tank. torpor solves 90% of random encounters

>>719928678
Dumb frogposter.

>>719928869
You miss crap extremely often in 2, a few points of AGI are really useful but I wouldn't go so far to max them.

>>719924818
Remove all armor to become a DPS monster

>>719928515
Make number go up

>>719922601
depends if the water is eventually passable, whether via flow control puzzles or a learned ability
if so, c, if not, d

>>719929164
Yes but 1% or 400%

>>719928879
what makes ricochet do more damage str or tec?

i was gonna make a mod to replace music from eo1hd with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqRNlLftWMg

what do you guys think

>>719928980
how is it different from other dungeonslop
its real time?

>>719927835
Replace Gladiator with Hoplite, I'd say.

>>719929343
>dungeonslop
what the fuck are you doing here, monkey.

>>719929383
but im whiter than you

>>719929256
Yes

>>719929454
Didn't answer the question, so you're not even trained, let's not even get into skin colors.

>>719929307
TEC literally doesn't add any damage to anything or anyone BUT for alch where everything that uses STR uses TEC instead

>>719928635
Which is the best version of Wizardry 1-3 to play? I don't think I could handle the graphics of the original versions

>>719927451
>Yeah, now if only they hadn't sold it for $80 and had released a physical version outside of Asia
in retrospective, it was a good thing

>>719927247
>but EOOC is the only Atlus remaster you could just call an objective improvement.
It's very close but I still have no idea why they just randomly fucked up the fonts
When are they porting other games anyways, will they even bother?

>>719929853
...How?

>>719929335
Etrian Odyssey games have top tier soundtracks so I dunno if this is in any way necessary
I kinda prefer the original trio's OST style over the 4 and further on even though I love those too

>>719929972
The music is fine up until Nexus. Electronic music does not suit the franchise.

>>719929970
gatekeeping

>>719929972
i'm not particularly attached to etrian odyssey's 1 ost and it's pretty clearly the weakest one in the series. i just think replacing the music would make a replay more fresh, and i liked stratum shift well enough, especially this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMkir9ZgrYw

>>719930094
>guaranteed low sales
>fans hesistant to import or pay full retail price for digital only
You're fucking retarded.

We talking about EO songs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtDTyuKokds&list=RDQtDTyuKokds&start_radio=1

>>719930107
Well, I do agree that EO1's ost isn't all that compared to the others, but this isn't the best place to ask this since we're mostly ODing on EO nostalgia.

>>719930094
If they wanted to gatekeep the series, they wouldn't have released it on Steam in the first place, you mouthbreathing idiot.

>>719930225
Retarded AND inside the castle

>>719930094
>gatekeeping
>multiplatform release

>>719930094
Cool, an actual retard in the flesh

>>719929739
projecting

>>719930094
>brownskinned lolicrawler in the flesh
never change

Alchemists get a bad rep

>play eo3 for the first time
>have 2 ninjas in my party because ninjas are cool as fuck
>mfw the 1st stratum boss

>>719930671
Ninjas are pretty strong but yeah IIRC they suck early on

>>719930671
It could be worse
>first EOIII playthrough
>have this personal lore going between games
>decide to only play with Buccaneer, Princess and Monk because I wanted two Yggdroid once I unlocked them
>have to go through the first three stratums with only 3 party members

>>719931038
isnt the exp boost pretty nice at least?
ninjas are absolutely worthless with their tiny little knifes.

etriams has reclined

etrian is kill

>>719930671
ninjas are part of 2 really powerful strategies in 3. one is making a ninja and subclassing to farmer so you can safe stroll through an entire stratum and gather from any resource point for 1 tp until you run out. I forget exactly how the other worked but I think it involved using their instant kill on one of the sea quest bosses.

>>719921690
>Do you draw under doors, passages, stairs and chests or not
absolutely do, anyone who doesn't is a neanderthal

>>719926632
The most correct anyone has ever been

>>719931557
They also make great dodge tanks after awhile

yes I DO have OCD and yes I DO reset if a character dies because I WILL NOT have our xp bars be different

>>719931698
Do you also check literally every single wall for passages

>>719931557
they are also solo gods but early on they are dead weight against bosses

EO3

First team - main progression party
Gladiator-Hoplite-Monk
Zodiac-Arbalest

Second team - early game farming party
5 farmers - combat study until level 5 then put a couple safe stroll, a shitton of double crop and safely farm everything for the first 2 stratum

Third team - all ninjas with 10 levels of combat study, multiclass them into farmers once unlocked, become giga OP farmers for the rest of the game, money problems solved EZPZ

>>719918264
Himukai's art getting done dirty by the rest of the visuals. Even the EO mystery dungeon games look way better, and those were on the 3DS.

they gatekept etriams so hard that it fucking died

>>719931698
how did you handle sea quests in 3

>>719926632
This is the correct answer.

>>719931776
naturally

>>719932182
uhh...still figuring that out honestly. I'm way behind on sea quest progression because of this

>>719932182
I had a second team that I only used for sea quests

>>719928139
Whats warcry?

man, I loved playing through some of these games on 3ds cause I found the mapping so relaxing. Love the OST and the art-style too (most of it). I just don't vibe with the combat, something about it is so boring to me. Wishing for some other game where you're a cartographer or something just sent to map out an unknown area in detail then return to your comfy base-camp town for supplies and rest. Captcha: PPMAN

>>719930303
Best song in the series

>>719915152
Even on 4chan
F O E!
https://youtu.be/dB_PVPyn6n8

I love the OSTs for all these games, but nothing to this day has topped this for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KmcSXVyzzM

One of those songs which made me stop playing and just listen.

thoughts on Dragon Ruins II?
Sells itself as the "RPG for tired people", but everything I see from the visuals and music just seems depressing, not very relaxing.

>>719915496
What is a cuck crawler

>>719922601
C. Black outlines are only for walls, as there are means to travel over water, and for FOEs to do so too

>>719928980
I tried playing this. I'm so confused just by the party creation. Also the colors really hurt my eyes for some reason, which is strange considering there's only two

is there a type of game that has the party building aspect of a drpg but not the dungeon part? I like making my team and fighting, but things like dark zones and teleporter mazes make me break out in hives.

>>719932353

>>719933871
If you played other DRPGs I don't think the party creation should be confusing. The skill grid and combat on the other hand...

>>719929845
Probably the Japanese PSX ports. You can change the language to English.

>>719915698
Refrain has a great story but the gameplay is awful. So the opposite of EO.

>>719932742
My issues with the combat personally are when you get your parties strategy down and basically repeat that over and over for the rest of time.

Its been 15 years since the last great Etrian. When will you finally accept that Etrian is dead one way or another?

>>719934461
Just like my party where 4 are ded and the tank is hanging on by a thread, Etrians will never truly die!

>>719926382
>2-3 hits
And the occasional monster that one shots anyone not tank.

>>719934826
R-r-r-ring, did someone call me? Did you also ask for a side order of blindside?

>>719918264
>we want the American audience

>>719934810
good post anon. see you next thread.

>>719934461
X released in 2018 so... 7 years. 2 years if you count the HD ports

>>719934461
next stage soon

>>719934810
can always count on the tank to carry

>>719922601
E: The wall behind me is not visible so I do not draw it.

>>719928846
That's a good thing. The 3D was a downgrade.

>>719934989
>Etrian bros are finally man enough to admit that X is a great game and way better than IV and V
I longed for this day

>>719933642
Dungeon crawler.
That anon is just infected with the same need to be ironically detatched to everything as a lot of v posters lately so they can't describe anything without including an insult like cuck or slop whether it deserves the insult or not.

>>719935153
Do you delete the shown image when you turn around?

>>719922601
C

>>719934461
One last thing before I'll go to bed.
Last time I posted that image - before the great 4chan purge - I got banned.

>>719935657
What I mean by that is, maybe things to get better over time and maybe we will play the new Etrian (not gacha, not gaas) before 2035.
Fingers crossed.

>>719935278
Nah, IV is still my favorite in the whole series. Nexus is also ok, only dragged down by the terrible class variety whose poll was rigged by bots, lack of stratum variety and several instances of the same copy-pasted shrine, which then proceeded to give it a coat of paint and call it a day to pass it as the postgame stratum.

I couldn't 100% V though, I detest the way skills were managed in that game, I dropped it before reaching the Zombie Dragon.

>>719928741
>search gave you the best game in the series
sweet

>>719921690
Never. I also draw walls in front of chests since you can't actually walk up on to that tile.

>>719934989
I don't remember if I ever finished X or not. Might as well start a new game.

>>719937735
I distinctly remember that I got about halfway through the final floor of the bonus dungeon in X and got annoyed by the instant kill attacks and didn't finish it.

>>719929912
>It's "close" to a good remaster because the localization studio made a boneheaded choice that the user easily fixes.
Come on, dude.

>>719928635
>you should try Wizardry 1-3
These are the words of someone who never played Wizardry 2.

>>719929845
If you absolutely insist on playing them, the SNES or PS1 ports. Wiz 1 is more of a slog than any EO, and the "sequels" were originally extra campaigns, the second of which was beyond unreasonable.

>>719931698
On the HD version I couldn't be assed to reset my progress if someone died so I just used cheat engine to match the dead guy's xp to the rest of the party.

>>719921690
Yes, but in a different colour from the floor
I always set aside a dedicated secondary colour that I use for "special" tiles like chests, doors, stairs, and gathering points to make them stand out more. I also change the colours I map with to match the look of each stratum/dungeon as closely as the game's palette will allow

>>719938103
I thought 4 was the ball buster

Do you have any tradition for your EO playthroughs?
>Finish the base game
>"Leader" of the party must retire
>Best performing member becomes the new leader
>New class joins the party
I always do this before jumping into the postgame

>>719938459
They're all ball busters. Wizadry 1 has mobs that ambush you and can one shot or permanently delevel your characters and when you try to rez your characters can permanently die randomly.

>>719938696
my tradition is rage quitting somewhere in the 4th stratum because by that point I have realized my party isn't working like I intended and I don't want to retire everyone to change it. out of 5 games I've only beaten the story mode in 2 of them.

>>719938459
4 isn't even an RPG, it's a puzzle wearing an RPG skin. 1-3 are ball busters. 2 was designed as an even more brutal campaign that only characters who beat 1 could participate in. Where your characters could still be insta killed or die of old age. Also the dungeon REQUIRED Good and Evil characters.

Wiz 2 is just objectively bad and later ports/remakes smoothed it over a little, but still, I really think only 1 is worth playing, MAYBE 3. Wiz doesn't get reasonable until 5.

>>719928635
>Strange Journey Redux
Can't think of a single reason to play this over the original.

>>719932168
I honestly think that if they just made a 6 or Untold 3, people would absolutely buy it.

>>719939121
I feel you, especially with how obscure the skill descriptions are in the DS trilogy
Thankfully you get more room for error in the later games

>>719938696
>Beat game with primary party.
>Grab the classes I didn't use.
>Run through the labyrinth again now that I don't lack in resources, pitting them against each floor and the various bosses.
This play style really worked for 3 and really didn't for 4, as you can imagine.

>>719938696
Generally I retire my entire party for the postgame, mostly for the extra skill points

>>719934057
having some help starting wouldn't be bad. I guess the fact that there's no classes is throwing me off

>>719942893
but there are classes

>>719943126
this is too much for me

>>719942893
I played it back on 1.0 release so I can't be too specific but I started with two frontliners, a mage, and an archer. One frontliner went with tactics for the defensive skills while the other was offensive. It's good to use skills that give passive buffs but you have to make sure you aren't eating up so much morale that you don't have enough to use a skill when full.

>>719926382
>Early game is always the hardest part of every EO
Almost but EO2 has this complete fucking faggot

>>719917462
>The usable
Everything not called "Wildling"
>Don't use Wildling
Wildling

I finished EO1 last week. That 6th stratum was garbage, couldn't do it.

>>719943778
you didn't finish it

>>719943475
This guy was my party's leader.
>But-
He cleared the fuck out of every random battle and then fell back so the rest of the group could destroy bosses.

>>719938696
Even though everyone says its a waste of time I find it that retiring at level 30 is actually the best time to do so. Save all quests past the first stratum, once you get to around level 28 start doing them but don't turn them in until you retire your party so you can jump from 15 to like 20 something immediately. If you time it right it'll take you less than an hour to retire from 30 to 15 back to 30 and you will carry the 4 skill point and +1 all stats for the entire rest of the game.

will i like this series if i like dragon quest? is it comfy? which one do i play first

>>719945423
>will i like this series if i like dragon quest?
I think so, especially if you like the older DQs
>is it comfy?
The visuals and OST are, the game tends to punish you hard tho
>which one do i play first
Etrian Odyssey 3
The PC/Switch HD remaster or original DS version are pretty much the same aside from visuals and the touch screen so pick whichever you prefer

>>719945842
thank you :) i have played a little on the 3ds but that was ages ago.

>>719943778
I just used a map since the floor with all the pits was fucking bullshit.

i've been wanting to get in the series and was recommended the second one as a starting point because it has a good story apparently.

>>719948395
I'm fairly sure you're in the wrong thread.

>>719948395
I'm willing to bet they meant untold 2 and not EO2. None of the etrian games have a good story but untold 2 is the best this series has to offer.