Thread 720033723

Real unpopular opinions only not shit like "zelda is bad" or whatever. Like real shit that would get others blood boiling.

I'll start. There's absolutely nothing wrong with "movie" type videogames. I'm talking games like Nu-God of War, Last of Us, Uncharted, FPS Resident Evil. Basically any game that puts a greater emphasis into presenting a compelling and immersive story over deep and complex gameplay. Sometimes I just want to chill out and experience a new story without having to giga-brain every second. I feel like people forget that gaming is just a pastime at the end of the day, and wanting to just turn off my brain and play some movieslop game shouldn't feel like a crime.

I like seeing cool examples of disability in fantasy fiction, I like seeing weird mechanical wheelchairs or rudimentary prosthetics or magical creatures with disabilities or using epic sci fi shit to fix a condition not by just regrowing a limb or curing blindness or something lame like that, but instead weaponizing it, or even characters who do nothing with their disability but instead focus on other skills so they're still neat despite them
I like that shit and think it's fun and /v/ is a buncha faggots who would've loved it too years ago but because they saw it be done so much in shit ways, they think it simply cannot be done well at all

>>720033723 (OP)
>There's absolutely nothing wrong with "movie" type videogames. I'm talking games like Nu-God of War, Last of Us, Uncharted, FPS Resident Evil
most people like those games. it's just here where movie games are bad because le hardcore

Games are... Le bad...

>>720034127
I just find the pacing unbearable.

There's nothing wrong with indie devs using AI voice acting for their games.

>>720033948
Do you have any good examples of this?

>>720033723 (OP)
Story is as important as gameplay
Even in something like doom2
Where game is carried hard by the aesthetics aka visual storytelling.

>>720033723 (OP)
>There's absolutely nothing wrong with "movie" type videogames
Not per se but when it's all the AAA industry makes it becomes a problem.

>>720034258
It’s horrible when there’s a pitch shifter though. Like in Howard’s legacy, I could t olay it cause the portage voice sounds so distorted and robotic no matter what setting it was on, having it default had the least amazing of distortion but still it was terrible.

>>720034295
Yeah my mind video game

The way your character walks in a game is one of if not the most important baselines for immersion and feel in a game. Like if your character uses the same exact animations on all terrain or inclines, or doesn’t actually look like they’re taking steps when going up or down stairs, it usually indicates to me that I won’t like the game. I can usually tell if I will or won’t like a game within the first minute or so of walking around.

GTA is horrible and boring. RDR2 is pretentious garbage that plays like your character is covered in molasses. Rockstar is the most overrated developer ever, and it's not close.
Kojima is a bad writer who has never made a good game. The songs/memes in MGR are embarrassingly stupid.
BOTW was fun the first time through but there's zero reason to play it more than once
The Horizon games are fantastic.
Smash Brawl is awesome

>>720033723 (OP)
Fighting games are bad game design. Having to learn insane amounts of arbitrary stick twists just sucks the fun out of the game and in the end button mashing just becomes a valid strategy.

Peace Walker is the best metal gear
FF12 is the best non spin off FF
Soul Hackers 2 was better than E33

Silksong is a mediocre game, but people are too scared to point it out because people will say they are shit at games.

Not an hot take but Zelda 2 is unironically good

>>720033723 (OP)
Most of /v/'s opinions are dog shit and this board would do well in not sharing them.

Video games are awesome

I have a few:

>There is absolutely nothing wrong with level scaling as a mechanic, and it’s the closest we’ve come to solving the common RPG problem of you becoming stupidly overpowered by playing the game too much. Level scaling means your prep work matters more than your stats, which is how it should be. The only people who bitch about level scaling are casuals with skill issues that are butthurt that they can’t grind to victory.

>the kind of Outpost liberation type quests you see in Ubisoft games are fun and are easily the best part of those games.

>There’s nothing wrong with weapon durability. It encourages you to vary your weapon usage rather than just stick to one weapon all the time.

>Water levels are nowhere near as bad as people say. I’ve never played a water level I’ve outright hated, and I’m convinced the hate for water levels is a meme. Plus, I like the aesthetics of them.

>Fanservice and coombait is tasteless and tacky, and doesn’t improve a game at all. There’s nothing wrong with having attractive characters, but a game isn’t good just because it shoves tits in your face.

>>720035204
I have no opinion on 1 and 3 but the rest are 100% correct and based.

We need more female/black/trans representation in vidya

>>720034295
Barret from FFVII. Depending upon the Mortal Kombat game Jax either uses the metal to enhance his abilities to needing the metal exterior to use his arms. Bentley from Sly Cooper becomes wheelchair bound in the series and he outfits it with various gadgets since he's the brains of the group. Then there's obviously Robocop. For anything sci-fi you can just look at a person's back story and see why they have metal in them. Most are due to getting disabled, some have metal just to modify their body rather than an event that takes off a limb.

>>720033723 (OP)
>Real unpopular opinions
KOTOR1 > KOTOR2

>>720033723 (OP)
Pokemon games are still the best in the creature collector genre and are currently the best they’ve been since Gold/Silver

>>720033723 (OP)
30FPS is fine actually, I actually prefer it to higher framerates most of the time because of the cinematic feel it gives, higher framerates always felt off to me, like a soap opera effect, in which everything feels floaty and fake

Doom Eternal is by far the best doom game as you can't cheese it with a single strategy like the other games.

>>720035473
>if Atlus doesn't exist

>>720033723 (OP)
shmups are the most pointless genre in existence, if you've played one you've played them all, they're only played by sweats and turboautists that pretend to enjoy them for gamer cred

>>720035584
TRUKE
Just a holdover genre from the Galaga days

>>720033723 (OP)
ninja gaiden would be better with a lock on

if metal gear solid 3 came out today it would be considered woke

graphics are the most important aspect of a game

>>720035079
>Soul Hackers 2 was better than E33
Now hold on. Soul hackers 2 had really nice characters but the story was dog shit, the soul power up dungeon sucks ass and the Sabbath combat system wasn't very good

>>720035584
electric underfags in shambles

>>720035695
I agree with all of this but E33 was even worse

>>720033723 (OP)
>re4remake gameplay is more fun than OG re4, especially on hardcore difficulty

>the scare factor of fixed camera angles is extremely overrated by classic survival horror fags and it isn't worth the tradeoff with more fun gunplay

>>720034127
>>720033723 (OP)
If you enjoy movie games, just don't call yourself a gamer then, you're just a tourist, you opinions on games are invalid than since you have no depth of insight nor taste, you are just a consumer. Not that anyone should aspire to be a "gamer" but if you have some sort of a take than keep it to yourself because it have no fucking value. As you said those are brain dead experiences, even though they technically touch on narrative and story design, no one really view the like that since the main demographic are impressionable npcs.

>>720035695
The Soul Hackers games feel like they cost very little to make and, outside the characters, are really lifeless and boring. Walking around square box dungeons while occasionally visiting a static image that represents a person to talk to or a shop every once in a while is dire.

>>720033723 (OP)
Retail WoW > Private servers
Baldur's Gate Enhanced Editions > Originals

>>720033723 (OP)
>Want to play a game
>Watch a movie instead
Why?

>>720035932
thanks for proving my point

>>720033723 (OP)
Okay, here's my honest take on remakes. They're often some of the best games I've played. This last part should be obvious though. They aren't the same game and never will be.

>>720033723 (OP)
Soulsborne slop isn't fun or interesting or challenging if you play PVP or tough Raid PVE in any MMO, and it's only creative value is the artistic designs of the levels. The people who jerk each other off over Soulsborne slop difficulty and other single player games simply can NOT hack it in any MMO

>>720033723 (OP)
Limbus company is a good gacha

>>720033723 (OP)
Souls games are clunky, mediocre ARPGs that live off the gimmick of being "hard". Had they come out in 6th gen, critics would have trashed them.

>>720035932
Nobody should ever take you seriously when you're suggesting just liking a thing invalidates all else that you do because it makes you personally assblasted
>no no no you're not a le heckin gamerino, 2000 hours of xcom ufo defense don't count because you thought GoW 2018 was anything above a 4/10

>>720035079
>Peace Walker is the best metal gear
Holy based

>>720036218
Personally, I feel as though some people are afraid to admit that the remakes do some things better than the original.

I think what usually happens is that the remake becomes a side-grade to the original— Improving some things and worsening others to the point it cancels eachother out and ends up being neither better or worse overall.

In the end, it comes down to which elements you prefer.

Kojima is a great writer who has never made a bad game.

>>720033723 (OP)
>Games don't have to be super balanced or "fair", some of the most memorable bosses and tough sections are also my favorite moments in these games and I love reminiscing about them. Games should be "unfair" and disharmonic sometimes, it gives them edge, like in music
>Game journalists are not that bad, they just have very different approach to them and people tend to point out their worst takes to be get mad for free. I've read plenty of decent articles

>>720033723 (OP)

Anon i... i like motion blur.

>>720034689
Interesting, do you have an example for a game with bad walking?

>>720036320
Saying you like modern AAA story driven slopa is like saying you like McDonald's and it's a hot take. It doesn't invalidate nothing, but if you fail to see how pointless this take is, then what else are you oblivious off... It's cute that you want to say something, it surely makes you feel "empowered" but sometimes silence is wiser choice.

MacDonald is great sometimes, but I'd rather not be doing any technical analysis on megacorporation whos whole point is to sell as many edible cardboard boxes as possible and use every trick in the book to make you buy one, while pushing some nu world agenda "on the side".

>>720033723 (OP)
There are no such thing as complete deal-breaker character designs that should turn you off from enjoying a game. They may possibly serve as indicators that the gameplay won't be too good either, but when that's undeniably not the case then you have zero excuse.

>>720037373
Holy moly autism. Imagine defending the status of being a "gamer" online haha. I hope you're at least getting those autismbux

>>720034251
Probably because the gameplay can be brought to a complete standstill as you wait for a 15 minute or longer cutscene to play out before you’re allowed to play the game again.

>>720033723 (OP)
Games being woke isn't the problem, it's games being actively anti-fun and anti-pandering. Baldur's Gate 3 is an example of a hyper woke game, there's a ton of lesbians, gays, bisexuals, trans, bipoc people everywhere. Yet pretty much every single young straight brodude gamer guy into RPG games liked it, because they could make their self insert and romance a hot white egirl, as well as become powerful and have a lot of options to kill people or generally have player choice and engagement to make your own adventure, and despite people being diverse they weren't intentionally anti-malegaze or anti-average player pandering. The issue with games like the new Outer Worlds or Avowed, is that they're full of devs sniffing their own farts, and thinking they are above player pandering, and need to present something authentic, to the point where anti-pandering becomes the main priority of even making something meaningful anymore and destroys everything. There's literally no audience for Avowed or the Outer Worlds 2. Nobody wants a roster of mildly autistic quippy asexual mulatto amputee people, it's such a boring and uninviting idea. Nobody cares.

Microtransactions are completely fine as long as they're purely for cosmetic shit and have zero bearing on the gaming experience. Lootboxes are fine. Overpriced costumes are fine. Just don't buy them if you don't like them. I don't.

None of the Fromsoft Souls games have a good story. All of them barely have a story, and the rest is left intentionally vague and filled out with item descriptions. What they have is lore, but delivered in the most passive way possible.

>>720037664
It's a hot take thread buddy and you surely got heated. My job is done.

>>720034689
Based. Also if a character's run animation continues when you're against a wall and the character looks like they're running in place, there's a large chance the game is shit.

>>720033723 (OP)
I think 3d mario and zelda games suck and want nothing to do with them. The format just works way better in 2d/top down. And yes, i tried super mario 64 when i was a kid and prime nintendo age and hated it. The mythical super mario 64 that everyone thought was so great back then.

>>720034689
Autism: Diagnosed.

>>720033723 (OP)
There is nothing wrong with using gaming laptops and prebuilt PCs

GTA is the most overrated franchise in the whole industry.
I dont get all this hype over GTA 6 like its going to be the next monalisa. Its an open world third person shooter. Those were impressive in the 2000s when just being open world was enough to make gamers go crazy, but nowdays its just another one.
And uts not even like it had an interesting setting or crazy gimmick. GTA is the vanilla icecream of open world

>>720037742
You are using BG3 as the ultimate representation of woke culture which isn't the case. Larian are nerds first they allow all options on the table. The woke movement actively de masculate their stories and insert woman who can do it better. They don't add they subtract the experiences for others to champion their minority

No matter how powerfull your pc is, it will never be as immersive and comfy as the good old TV + Couch combo.

>>720038641
you sound like you take GTA for granted. Just look at the backlash Cyberpunk had because the citizen AI was hollow as fuck.

>>720038818
It feels weird using audiophile stuff for TV. I wouldn't entertain a surround sound system anymore they have all been shit unless you dig deep in the wallet.

>>720038484
Not inherently, its just a bit of a waste of cash and some designers cheap out or just lie about specs
Gaming laptops seem cozy though, I wouldnt mind having one

>>720033723 (OP)
Games that call themselves RPGs but you can only play as a set character with an established backstory, appearance and personality are not role playing games and never will be.
>B-but you PLAY the ROLE of the heckin character!!!!!!
By this retarded logic literally every single video game ever made is a RPG.

>>720033723 (OP)
Nothing wrong with vitiligo in video games
MGS4 is the best MGS
Popular games are fine. They are popular for a reason, you're not a smart person for thinking the opposite.

>>720033723 (OP)
less is more
most games are too bloated

>>720039021
>literally every single video game ever made is a RPG.
They are

>>720037742
No, games being woke IS a problem. Games being diverse isn't. It's okay if your cast is diverse as long as the characters aren't reduced to their diversity. Woke games have diverse characters for the sake of diversity, and nothing else.

>>720033723 (OP)
I thought Dragon Age 2 was just as good as Dragon Age Origins.

RE1 got eclipsed by the rest of the series, and it would have been outright improved by giving Chris/Jill 8 slots.

>>720038641
>GTA is the vanilla icecream of open world
brother GTA fucking invented ice cream leaping off from your food analogy.

>>720033723 (OP)
mobile games are more fun than "conventional" games
pvp games are more fun than both

>>720040035
Based low standards anon

>>720033723 (OP)
MOBAs and hero shooters don't actually require skill, they require a combination of meta knowledge, time, and luck. Any attempt at portraying someone as a "hardcore" expert in one of these games is effectively stealth marketing, and idiots still fall for it because they'd like to imagine themselves as the "hardcore Overwatch veteran" that gets paid a doctor's wages to play video games.

literally every game review is completely useless
just watch some gameplay footage and see if you want to play it or not

>>720033723 (OP)
The effort that goes into defeating the harder bosses in Fromsoft games is not proportional to the satisfaction felt after winning. Souls game are perfect for ambitious and driven people willing to waste their time on trivial pursuits

Good Video games are better than they've ever been
t. 42 started with a hand me down Atari 2600
I will admit there are more shit games now with insidious agendas

>>720040784
Also there are more good video games

>>720040658
good opinion and I am not angry at you for saying it. it's "a truthnuke" as it were.

Roguelike games are the ultimate expression of gameplay focused design, calling back to arcade and classic sensibilites where story was basically a barely hinted excuse and engaging mechanics are king, and it shows so much that even 4chan threads about those kind of games have a noticeably higher quality and on-topic discussion compared to other genres

>>720040658
Yep
This is why I also play poker
Except in poker I make money for my efforts occasionally

>>720040035
Disagree but I unironically get more enjoyment out of the animal crossing mobile game than the mainline ones, at least that one has SOMETHING to do despite being very repetitive.

>>720040992
Nta but adding to this
Story only exists to provide context to gameplay
And even that isn't required 100% of the time

No single video game has a great story
Even the absolute "best of the best" are only as good as an okay episode of the walking dead

Mass Effect 3 is so much better than Mass Effect 2 it's unreal

>>720034127
>because le hardcore

>>720041326
Should've posted the Better Man carrying the pig

>>720033723 (OP)
"Metroidvania" is a stupid fucking name. It should be "adventure games", it's that simple. There's "point-and-click" adventure games, yeah, but they're distinguished by "point and click". An adventure implies something a little more open-ended than, say, an action game or a platformer.

Also, players are souring on adventure games because they're using outdated and stale mechanics, including grinding for stats and resources, railroading, and abilities that are merely glorified keycards in handling designed roadblocks requiring those abilities. And they're always the same fucking ones. Double jump, wall jump, air dash, pogo mechanics, grapple jump, dashing or sliding, and so on. Just let the player go where they want to go! If it's too hard, they'll come back later, or they'll be stubborn and push through to find new abilities or stat boosters instead of grinding for them.

>>720039149
>"Popular games are fine. They are popular for a reason, you're not a smart person for thinking the opposite."
Kinda agree, it always baffles me when contrarians try to argue that
>"timeless masterpiece that's widely regarded as one of the best games in the genre if not outright the best is actually... LE BAD!!!"
>"obscure game in the same genre that nobody cared for at the time of release and got middling reviews across the board is actually... LE BETTER!!!"

>>720038356
I never cared for either 64 or sunshine, I liked galaxy but wasn't blown away by it like everybody else.

>>720041457
Yeah and if you want to criticize them then you should point out the flaws and what could be done better rather than "THIS GAME IS THE WORST THING EVER AND EVERYONE WHO PLAYS IT IS DUMB AND RETARDED"

>>720041624
this
nobody on this board can put their feelings into words without babbling buzzwords like a Mexican 10 year old

The Final Fantasy 7 remake has been a disaster so far.
Bloating the game with MMO fetch quests and ubislop copy pasted activities is not the way to go.
If they wanted to pad out the games this bad, then hire some fucking writers and give us interesting side quests.

They way they are now, the PS1 game is still the superior version

>>720033723 (OP)
footy games like PES/FIFA can be worthy
granted, they haven't been in years, but still

>>720042619
Uh this really isn't a hot take

>>720035932
You can like both retard
Ive Pure Platted NSIC Bayo 1 and its one of my favourite games of all time
One of my other favourites is Infra, a walking sim
This tribal shitflinging mentalily has ruined discussions

>>720044493
Rebirth has been praised everywhere, when imo its a 5/10

RDR2 is average, at best.

Video games are too fast these days. Too quick. Quicker even than when I was a boy. I'd like it if they could slow it down a peg or two. You don't need to be run dashing or jump diving into whatever, just take a moment to walk and think.

>>720041403
Adventure games is too broad a term that applies to 3D games too, I think something like "exploration platformer" would be more apt.

>>720045615
Castleroids

>>720045615
Dungeon Platformer.

>>720046367
What if there are no dungeons?

>>720044493
It feels like they took some bad lessons from FFXIV on top of designing a game where you primarily wander from one minigame sequence to the next.

>>720041403
What is a Metroidvania?
1. This is most often a 2D game, though some 3D games can also be described as Metroidvanias. Non-linear, interconnected world with regions that connect between adjacent regions, and sometimes connect to non-adjacent regions in unique or not-so-straightforward ways.
2. "traversal focused" i.e. usually a platformer to some extent, even without platforming challenges, although those can definitely be present.
3. combat focused, with a primary means of attacking enemies that inhabit the overworld, and an ever-growing repertoire of skills and equipment that double as both a means of attacking specific enemies as well as completing puzzles and navigating the environment.
4. exploration focused, with an impetus to explore a region at one's own pace and uncover its secrets, whose rewards are usually the aforementioned arsenal and equipment upgrades.
5. progression is tied to the acquisition of a certain number of quest items, which are usually acquired by exploring a region, acquiring the equipment therein, and defeating the region's boss. the regions that are gated by said progression are usually inaccessible for the sake of ensuring that players are equipped enough to explore it without encountering an environmental obstacle that they can't overcome.

So, these games are effectively "The Zelda formula" but integrated into one large environment, rather than split into smaller dungeon levels that are accessible via an overworld. The simplest term I can think of would be "non-linear exploration game" but then this leaves out the fundamental elements of combat and platforming. Perhaps something more like "non-linear combat-centric platformer" is more apt, but not everyone would agree that platforming is a necessary component of Metroidvanias. So, what are we left with? Don't the Japanese call these games "search type" games? Nothing is as catchy as "Metroidvania" even if it doesn't make sense.

>>720033723 (OP)
Deus Ex 1 is only made tolerable by the Pistol-Laser combo you get on Liberty Island. Everything else about the game sucks. The open approach to everything makes it so that there is practically no way for you to fuck up. One you "figure out" how to progress, you'll be doing the same thing over and over. At best, the game is built more around discovering all the secrets than anything else. The story is nonsense unless you want to LARP as a schizo believing conspiracies. There are maybe 3 bits of good dialogue with the rest being hogwash.

I honestly think the game would benefit from having a save function like Kingdom Come so that way choices you make have more impact instead of Quick Saving to see if X approach can work. I also think that it could stand to get a remake like Silent Hill 2 (which the remake is better than the original) that expands upon mechanics already established.

I say all of the above as someone who played it several times and never got it to click. I kept thinking that eventually I would see what everyone got hyped about but in reality it's just LE MAYMAY REFERENCE game that people pretend is better than what it is. Similar to the first 3 STALKERS (which BTW, Anomaly and Gamma are better than)

Nintendo is completely coasting off the fact that Xbox and Playstation are repeatedly shooting themselves in whatever lower parts of their body they have left that they haven't already shot off; being the best of the worst doesn't automatically mean they're good right now, and people need to stop grading on a curve. Their business practices and prices are horrid, and their games have become aggressively mediocre and less focused/consistent in their design.

Gaming communities, especially this board, excuse far, FAR too much of Nintendo's recent behavior with the deflective reasoning of "Sony/Microsoft started it!" or "it's not AS bad as how Sony/Microsoft do it!". Not everything needs to be evaluated through a lens of being "versus" someone else.

>>720037840
>what they have is lore
you mean prose? that's literally how storytelling works

>>720035204
Excellent post, these are some truly abhorrent opinions

>>720047754
They don't really have that either, most storytelling is just short stories in item descriptions, the plot is usually just "kill gods to access the world holding mcguffin and either let the aging world go or uphold it further"

>>720046489
What defines a dungeon in a video game anyway?

>>720037840
>>720047939
Sekrio has a more or less comprehensive story. Dark Souls 1's story is there if you want it, but admittedly it isn't force-fed down your gullet, and you have to put in a bit of effort to understand things. Dark Souls 2 took a turn for the worse, and by Dark Souls 3 they've shit the bed. Whether the story is good or not depends on your tastes, but it's definitely there. Yes, the lore is what people tend to focus on more often than not, and I agree that most of it is inconsequential fluff that leaves more room for speculative interpretation than getting a grasp on what's actually going on, but some of it can shed light on a character or area I suppose.

>>720033723 (OP)
i like dark souls 2
I enjoyed ff13 trilogy

X game from WEF company (like ubisoft lately) is shit and im not afraid to say it (veilguard comes to mind) except you'd just be surrounded by karens

game is good but should just be a movie (the last of us, TV show was shit tho, its literally the game but with unneeded elaborations and the wrong cast, though its not like you can magically make a loli ellen page, they already ruined the real ellen page)

>>720038641
gta 6 is going to be the biggest flop in history

>>720048406
It's going to sell fine by ordinary standards, but absolutely fall short of what they're expecting. Not launching on PC this generation is going to bite them hard in the ass, given how awful software sales have been on the PS5/Xbone alone.

>>720033723 (OP)
Hollow Knight was mid. A 6/10 generic metroidvania that is overhyped by zoomers who played it as their first one.

>>720033723 (OP)
Grinding isn't fun. When you have to manage your own difficulty experience you are locked into a dichotomy of wanting to explore vs wanting a challenge. However the reward for engaging with the game more being that the game gets less fun is not a good dynamic.

>>720040035
Ok what is a fun mobile game?