Thread 720134581

Just beat this Masterpiece.

Eigong forced me to fully comprehend the parry system and all my options in between for every combo. It was awesome, besides that this game is really something special on all fronts, between story, presentation and artstyle.

I also want to talk about it.
Post memes at least.

>>720134581 (OP)
I like the visuals, story, and diologue, but I found the parrying and lack of i frames a bit frustrating.

Its a game I only pick up when I feel really on point.

Was Fusang/Tao justified in genociding their entire species just to get rid of the few individuals that deserved it?

>want to talk about nine sols
>threads always infested by furfags

>>720136884
You're the first to bring it up faggot.
>>720136190
I enjoy fighting games plenty, most especially Third Strike, so this game was a complete joy to me. That air parry is amazing.

>>720136190
Playing it now. I don't mind the parry in concept, but I don't like how it seems to be the only option in most cases. Between the enemy tracking and massive, poorly represented hitboxes it seems like dodging is just not allowed in a lot of fights.

>>720136884
>play furshit game
>win furshit prizes

>>720136339
No not really. They were at peace too the fusang just got too owned by science

>>720134581 (OP)
welcome to the party

>>720138596
Perfectly describes the descent into madness and skill this fight gives.

>>720134581 (OP)
I never bothered to learn how to parry, every time I needed to parry anything I did a jump parry since it has a billion parry frames, never did a standing parry never did the other retarded timed parry.

>>720140765
the fuck did you do against the full-screen red attacks, just get reamed?

>>720136232
Never ask a solarian supremacist the species of his favorite disciple.
Headcanon: Kuafu hates apemen because Aimu joked about fucking them on her livestreams. And may not have been merely joking.

>>720140923
The one of the final boss? The first two strikes are white, the third red slash I simply jump over it, there wasn't any other considerable red attack in the game.

>>720134581 (OP)
Silksong was fantastic but I think Nine Sols has it beat in the final boss department

>>720134581 (OP)
the final boss is good except the true ending

>>720141512
what do you mean, the true ending version is what makes it an all-timer
that shit ruled
that shit took me 5+ hours over several weeks and I damn near dropped the game over it, but now once it's over and after a replay - that shit ruled

>>720141479
If by 'beat' you mean 'gigantic learning curve out of nowhere'

Eigong taught me that raiding a senior home is a death wish

>>720141479
Nine sols only has a fraction of bosses compared to silksong has but they're all better or on par with silksong's best.
That game really could have used some more quality over quantity.

>>720141083
we have the solution

>>720141512
The true ending is fucking amazing though. This story is one of the grandest of Hubris i've seen in recent memory. The character tragedy all the way to the ultimate end of this species is so grand, i hadn't experienced that in a game in so long.
I expected Yi to rez somewhere, but he never did... That finality is more than you could ever ask for in games these days.

>>720134581 (OP)
Is it better than Silksong?

>>720142848
Art quality is on par. The story is way better, if not one of the best in vidya history. The gameplay is hit or miss on whether you'll prefer it to HK's.

>>720142848
I enjoyed it far more than Hollow Knight at least. I cannot speak for Silksong. But what i like about Nine Sols is that it has it's own unique setting, theme, character design, and gameplay that isn't exactly and totally derivative of other games. Moving options feel good, the map is largew and the FOV of your character always gives you control and vision of what youre facing and gives you tons of leverage on how best to approach it. I don't like a lot about Hollow Knight after playing it for a while, but I'd say it's comparing Sekiro to I Wanna Be the Guy.
>>720143230
The comic scenes alone, and all the growing background assets and actual color usage of Nine Sols puts way far and above HK/SS in art quality. The Fengs battle alone had so much in one room that it made it as memorable as a paint
ing.

>>720134581 (OP)
>Just beat this Masterpiece.
Same a couple of weeks ago.
I was still seeing regular threads about it at the start of the year, but I didn't get around to playing it for a while, and now every thread is lucky to get to 100 posts of which half are going to be sex picture bumps with no content.

>>720143507
That's fine, I'm glad people can play it and experience still, even if talking points and interest wanes. You don't get a special game like this very often so be happy you got to experience it at all, right?
I'm debating when i want to do a second run so i can get 100% achievements.

>>720142848
Nine Sols is a lot more tightly focused. There's much more emphasis on character-based narrative, it's rarely ambiguous where to go or how to get there, and the exploration/platforming is fairly rote. The combat in Nine Sols has slightly more depth but is also much more defensively slanted in a way that leads to a lot of parry timing/facing but de-emphasizes positioning whereas Silksong is all movement and positioning. Both are extremely good but aiming for different things.

>>720134581 (OP)
>Eigong forced me to fully comprehend the parry system and all my options in between for every combo.
All she did for me was teach me how to spam unbounded parries which I had neglected up to that point. She's really not hard as soon as you learn her attack patterns.

>>720138596
Maybe I'm wired wrong but after two hours repeating the same fight over and over again and slowly getting better it didn't feel epic. At some point you perfectly grasp the separation between her attack sequences, so the fight becomes
>parry attack you've already learned
>wait for her next move
>did you read it right? cool, parry and repeat
>was it one of the tricky moves and you read it wrong and misplayed? whoops, -50% health, find an opportunity to heal
>repeat until either eigong's 1000000 hp runs out or your pipe vials run out, whichever comes first
Being an endurance fight made it a lot less epic in the end.

>>720134581 (OP)
Is this harder than Silksong or not? I finished too but everyone is talking about Silksong's difficulty like it were something else

>>720142781
Yi kept getting rezzed by the roots, but the roots got infected and then Yi (rightfully) nuked them, so rip

based. elder god tier 10/10 masterpiece of a game. True Eigong is one of the greatest boss fights of all time. I still fight her at least once a month and listen to the end credits song every time I'm in the gym

>>720145331
Different kind of difficulty. Nine Sols is punishing but every situation typically has straightforward answers and your defensive options are extremely strong. Silksong requires a lot more movement and because the amount of area available is so vast it's very probable to get to places where you're intended to have stronger gear or different tools, but get fed to a woodchipper. On top of that you start with 5 HP and so much shit does 2 damage that even once you get four pieces of heart 6 isn't more than 5.

>>720136190
Same. Parrying is just a gay mechanic in all games

>>720145140
>She's really not hard as soon as you learn her attack patterns.
Of course things aren't hard once you learn them anon. But the learning is what people consider hard. If you go into a fight and lose, the fight for you should atomically register as "challenging" and if you lose 5-10-20+ times, the fight is most definitely hard. Every single fight isnt hard, once you know exactly what to do, huh?

You being over analytically and reductive doesn't change the experience. It's all those moments working in tandem that make the fight an experience. A solid portion of my play time was just understanding Eigongs attacks, how i can best retaliate, and what options/builds i could make to improve. It felt just like fight labbing a fighting game but in boss form. I screamed out when i got that last hit in. The final boss should be a final challenge of the game, to put to the test everything you learned, games forget this fact and always make a victory lap lately, so to have a final boss actually challenge the player, and put to the test the skills the game should have taught is master class.

>>720142848
I liked HK and was excited for Silksong but Nine Sols unironically killed my hype for it. I love 2d combat but I only play a metroidvania every few years because I just don't like the backtracking and don't care much about exploration
Nine Sols was the absolute perfect game for me because of that, plus I'm a storyfag and Nine Sols story is one of the best in any game in a long time
I'll still play Silksong eventually Im just not in a hurry to

>>720143760
I'm still seething that the robot fight achievement is so easily missable if you don't follow the EXACT exploration order necessary for it.
>see miniboss
>nowhere else in the game has there been a point in turning back when meeting a miniboss
>fight it around the center of the arena, because who would bother running all across the wide-ass room to the other side to see the locked mecha, and the miniboss isn't super mobile anyway so you can just sit around one spot and whack and parry it
>kill the boss, move on, see the locked mecha, "huh, I wonder what that's for"
>later exploring the other pathway
>buncha platforming later get to the miniboss room from above, with access to the mecha door switch
>unlock the mecha
>sit in it and walk around the miniboss arena like a dunce
How the fuck was I supposed to know?
It's also so far in the endgame, or I think at least 50% of the game through to even be able to access the area if you rush to it ASAP.

>>720145331
nine sols is a quick-time rhythm game, hk/silksong is a more standard "avoid the hurtbox" combat platformer

I haven't played the game yet, but the boy is really cute.

>>720145828
if shuanshuan was a loli instead, nine sols would go down as one of the greatest games of all time

>>720145910
Thankfully he’s a shota so it’s even better than that

>>720145828
You should play it, you get to be his big brother and mentor

>>720145498
No but seriously my point was that even learning her attack patterns isn't hard. She has like three actually different slash combos, and sometimes she combines them in a few more variations but fundamentally it's the same three (four-slash move, one slash then dash forward, and three quick pokes). Then for her red attacks you need to learn to spot her teleporting upwards meaning it's going to be a slam, vs. just teleporting somewhere else which means it's gonna be another talisman grab attempt.
That's it, these are all you need to learn to be able to have a fighting chance against her. It takes a couple of minutes minutes to suss out the timing of her sword swipes and maybe 5-10 minutes to learn to differentiate the teleports. You've now solved the first two phases of the fight, everything else is basically piss easy except the phase 3 full screen slash which is the only "difficult" attack in her entire moveset.

The only reason it takes a while to beat eigong is because it's an endurance fight so you need perfect consistency. If you're 90% consistent at parrying her attacks you'll just run out of healing and health before you manage to kill her. It's not difficult, it's just training your muscle memory to parry it over and over again. When you're at 90% consistency you're parrying every attack except one in ten and then you still die, so you replay the battle and maybe you manage to parry 91% of attacks, still fuck up and die, replay the battle twenty more times and finally you get a good run where the amount of times you fucked up was low enough to outlast her.

It just doesn't feel "hard" when you're effortlessly parrying almost all attacks but the fight is just so long that eventually you fuck up and have to start all over again, continue effortlessly parrying and just pray your streak doesn't lapse this time around.

>>720145910
Yi doesn't need a loli, he has an imouto

Good morning I am here to complain about the divine hand jade
>wow every parry after an unbound counter will automatically become an unbound counter
>awesome I will be able to unbound counter everything!! imagine the internal damage DPS!
>it fucking disables charging a new unbound counter while it's active, so there's a window of time after one parry where the next parry neither counts as an automatic unbound nor do you have enough time to charge a new unbound
What the shit. This seems like such an obvious issue with an extremely simple fix that it's gotta be intentional, but why did they make it this way? It's a late game jade that feels like it should be an upgrade in your damage but instead it's just a sidegrade for when you can parry.

heng cursor

>>720134581 (OP)
Oh this game has a parry system... I'll just go ahead and unwishlist it.

>>720146905
It has a parry 'system' the same way Sekiro does; the entire rhythm of combat and boss design centers around it. That might make it more palatable (it did for me), might make it less so.

当女同事在会议上穿着非常紧的瑜伽裤时。

>>720146689
when you get that gap can't you dash it? so you're getting big internal damage on regular strings at the cost of needing to dash ender some others

Fun fact: Divine Hand is the only mandatory jade if you want to 100% the game without ever upgrading any skill or equipping any optional combat jades. I'll leave it to you to figure out why.

>Want a sequel
>Game ended in a way that makes a sequel or any DLC impossible

>>720145828
You raise this kiddo and he becomes a cultured young man.

>>720147207
Anons have floated ideas of Yi navigating Diyu, which in some forms of Chinese mythology is similar to Purgatory, to atone for what he did and further his emotional arc.

>>720146456
Would you say learning the piano is hard? Or drawing?

>>720147253
The game makes it clear he's supposed to be the yellow emperor or atleast the NS universe's equivalent

>>720147472
that sounds atrocious

>>720147563
To be fair, no one here has more than a passing familiarity with Chinese mythology that they didn't get from Nine Sols or Wukong

>>720147129
You can precise parry it, even. But the only reason to even take that jade is to maximise the internal damage. If I'm just trading off being able to unbound some attacks against being able to unbound others, it's now very meh and seems like it requires re-learning all the timing of parries and counters in return for a very situational benefit.
For example Eigong's triple poke can be jade handed but not normally unbounded, so it gives you two extra unbounds after the first poke. But her four-slash sequence can be comfortably manually unbounded but not jade handed, so you have to unbound -> precise -> unbound -> precise (or vice-versa), so you LOSE two unbounded.
I think overall jade hand does give you slightly more internal damage, because there's a few special attacks (like her phase 2 sword beams, or the ghost triple slash behind her) which I think probably puts it over the edge overall, but I'm not even certain because of how often she does the basic sword attacks where you lose damage. And the big cost is again re-learning all the timings and muscle memory - I know right now when I can UB charge and when I need to precise parry, but now suddenly fuck you no there's a wide window where I cannot UB charge how I'm used to.

I know the latter is a skill issue but I'm just annoyed that it barely adds any damage and only on situational attacks, and loses you damage on plenty of other attacks. The description says nothing about it and it's very unintuitive, and I don't see why it'd be useful for balance.

>>720147207
The "bad" ending actually keeps the possibility of a sequel.

Alternatively, Shuanshuan name sounds oddly similar to Xuanyuan which is a legendary warrior/emperor/figure, so the sequel could have a grown up Shuanshuan going full emperor mode.

>>720147207
A sequel is highly unlikely, but a prequel taking place during the Turbulent Era could work.

>>720147651
I only knew about it out because of another anon's theory, but it makes sense.
>>720147207
>>720147472
Maybe it could go full circle and a human scientist in the future reactivates the gene that gave Solarians their intelligence in housecats.

>>720147551
They're "hard" but not in a way of "this is epic I'm finally parrying!" / "this is epic I can finally play this/draw well!". They're hard because they take years of practice to get good at, many thousands of hours to hone the skill.
Eigong takes like 3-5 hours to beat, maybe. If you practice drawing for 3-5 hours you might maybe with a bit of luck figure out very rough sketching motions, or learn the basics of hand movements for piano and learn some simple one-handed melodies. Most people wouldn't call playing simple melodies on one hand hard, for example.

If anything Eigong's "hardness" reminds me more of some speedrunning skip hardness, where you just grind for 2, 3, 10 hours and then you get lucky and hit the frame perfect pixel perfect skip and you're like "woohoo I did it!". But you don't particularly feel epic while you're in the process of grinding for it, it's mostly a slog followed by relief that you've finally gotten the achievement and don't need to keep mindlessly grinding anymore.

>>720147167
I'm trying to think about it but I really can't figure it out. Can you give me a hint as to where? What sidequest, or which area?

>>720148127
>and don't need to keep mindlessly grinding anymore.
Mastery is repetition until it's second nature, not stopping the moment your dopamine receptors get their first hit.

>>720148190
nta but pretty sure it's the statue parry sequences in Leer's tombs.

>>720148319
That could make sense, but I don't remember what combat skills or jades would be mandatory if you don't have divine hand.

>>720148246
I don't disagree I just don't think it makes for an epic fight. There's no meaningful difference between being 90% consistent and being 95% consistent except that with the latter you have a good chance of outlasting Eigong and finally winning the fight.
I'm glad I did it, I would not have liked to have given up at the very end and I'm satisfied with my completion of the game. But I just don't feel like it was such an amazing moment like everyone says it was.

If anything, I also think it hurts the story pacing. You got a lot of very heavy development right before the end, then Yi steps forth for his final battle, and then he just respawns 50 times over for hours on end while the story takes a break as you grind it out. And then finally it picks up again and you have the (very well made and poignant) final cutscenes except they're rather less poignant for the massive interruption that just happened than if they had somehow managed to flow a bit more coherently with the pre-boss story.

Chien's game when.

>>720134581 (OP)
Figures that a phoneposting nigger would enjoy a homoerotic interspecies story.

>>720148127
Where I'll dispute that is the fact that once you understand how to beat Eigong, those lessons allow you to absolutely dismantle the rest of the game. She's a test of mastery that's an echelon above anything else in the game, and in that sense she's a bullshit difficulty spike that requires memorization and a complete reset of playstyle, but on replay it's clear that the playstyle that beats Eigong is the way the game is meant to be played.

>>720134581 (OP)
post the dancing webm

>>720138259
It's less that you can't get away with dodging, and more that dodging never pays off as well as parrying, and eventually it's always possible, unlike dodging.
I found the charged parry to be a suitable replacement for dodging, but I can fully understand people preferring the early game where those moves have to be avoided outright instead.

>>720134581 (OP)
I got up to the end right before you fight eigong and my favorite bosses are jiequan and ji, fucking HATED lady etheral and fuxi second phase was annoying. Worst two bosses in the game by far

>>720150415
>hated lady E
Shit taste

>>720150415
My favorite boss was lady ethereal, her laugh got burned into my memory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqyDSPbDyl8

Goumang, Yanlao, Jiequan, and Ji all honestly needed an extra phase, even if some of their health pool got redistributed in the process. They all introduce an idea in their fights but all fail to fully expand on it in their respective second phases (or not at all in Goumang's case). Fuxi and Nu Wa also needed more patterns that aren't just solved by spamming air parry to cover both directions. Despite that, I think Fuxi (and obviously Eigong) are the best bosses in the game.

>>720150539
>>720150854
The spirit ball and annoying ost ruined it for me
>Entire ost is just a chink woman screaming in your ear
Muted the ost and i managed to beat it. Dog shit.

>>720149285
Is she natty?

>>720151153
I'm fairly certain the bosses were designed in roughly the order they appear, and it's been confirmed that Eigong's third phase was hacked together in a week right before release. I think if they had a second pass at everything most bosses would get an additional phase.

>>720152514
I would pay standard DLC price +tip for NG+ support and extra boss phases.

>>720152125
He doesn’t deserve her

>giant chubby kind woman
>cute tiny angry man
This game has great, uh, gameplay

>>720148190
>>720148319
>>720148501
It's indeed one of the Lear tombs, without the skill you can only deflect using unbounded counters and some of the statues attack so closely together that you can only get by using divine hand.

>>720153148
everyone deserves a big tiddy goth gf

>>720152874
This. Give me Chien fights, and just more parry bosses and content in general.

>>720153276
I wish Chien had more of a presence in the story. Just this background character you catch glimpses of but always out of reach until it was too late.

Yi shoulda been female

>>720153148
True

This game was phenomenal. I feel like it's probably ruined hollow knight for me.

>>720153148
>>720153273
>>720153473
>>720153794
>when your gf can be mistaken for your mom

>>720136339
>the few individuals
Doing nothing about said individuals heavily implies consent and agreement. The entire race is responsible.

Are apemen being harvested supposed to be a nod at China invading Taiwan?

>>720154072
I've sucked tiddy the size of my head but imagine tiddy the size of your body...

>>720142848
I would say both are top notch but the combat is what will make one like a game over the other. In HK you are going to zip and jump around hurboxes while constantly on the attack, in NS you are going to stand there and say "no" to everything that is thrown at you until you can throw back a "no u" so strong it kills your enemies.

>>720147651
Jokes on you, all my chinese culture knowledge actually comes from Dynasty Warriors.

>>720136339
This is what I hate about the story, or maybe what I hate about taoism. What counts as going with the tao, and what counts as fighting against the current? Is Tao chill with what Eigong did? If not, then it would be correct action to try and reverse it. Alternatively, if Tao wishes your entire civilization to die a sufferable death, you should fight against the Tao.

>>720154397
I don't feel like Lu Bu would've done shit against the tianhuo but what do I know

>Jump and parry
>Feel like i got more frames than parrying on the ground

>>720154542
This nigga lost his pp for power just to be defeated by an angry catlet.

>>720154729
You not only get more frames, you also parry from all directions, the jump parry trivializes any fight.

why the fuck is Yi so short compared to the other solarians

>>720154801
Maybe it's retractable now. He could've done anything to that dick.

Silksong made me realize how good Nine Souls is. Not because Silksong is bad. But despite both being hard, Nine Sols felt way less frustrating for me.

>>720134581 (OP)
>look inside
>it's chinkslop
Can't fool me

>>720154881
weed stunts your growth
also it's implied that he stopped growing after the lab accident so it's possible that his regeneration means he's physically in a form of stasis - he'll always heal back to his current body but he can't age or grow

>>720154881
because he died when he was young and fusangs revive stopped him from growing. That or he was just cursed with manlet genes.

>>720155037
>Silksong has lolibaba
>Nine Sols has shotababa

>>720151613
>hating the lady E soundtrack
INCREDIBLY shit taste

>>720154881
For gameplay reasons, but otherwise is due to his codependent immortality.

>>720134581 (OP)
Eigong took me like two hours to beat my first time, but ever since then I've been able to reliably beat her on every rematch (sometimes with no damage)
Its an incredible last fight

>>720155114
shotajiji*

>>720155114
>shotababa
The actual term is "shotajiji".

>>720155114
>>720155321
>>720155337
Yi and Hornet art seems like an inevitability at this point.

>>720154874
I know it felt too easy to parry every flying projectile versus being grounded

>>720155037
So this whole time every sol is fighting what amounts to a ten year old who knows king fu

>>720155157
Jiequan soundtrack has the same chants but they're better since its not just some cunt going EEEEEEEA. Suck my dick

>>720155774
Yeah but they're doing that whole taoist 'strength of will is strength of body' thing so Yi's able to weaponize his autism. That's what his talismans are.

>>720155569
I want to see a pic of those two with their shota sidekicks Shuanshuan and Sherma

>>720155774
Yi can somehow materialize a sword out of thin air so they were technically fighting a cat version of koksal baba

He did literally nothing wrong

Was that scene fucking necessery?!?

>>720151613
>>720155157
>>720155862
>Jiequan theme conveys the intensity of the grudge between him and Yi
>Lady Ethereal theme sounds like dementia in audio form
>Fuxi theme is a chink opera with his wasted sister hollering in the background
>Ji theme carries a rare air of finality
This game's soundtrack is one of the most inspired I've ever seen.

>>720156398
Yes. Much of Yi's emotional arc comes from his realization that mastery of the physical does not correlate to mastery of the spiritual. By trying and failing to deepthroat Shaunshaun's 10-incher Yi learns that he cannot conflate someone's appearance with their ability, much less their value.

>>720156283
Except the whole apeman genocide, brain harvesting and apeman kill machine, I guess, ah, and also the genocide of his own species and worst of all he didn't bring his sister with him

>>720153249
Ohhh, I forgot bullet reflect is a skill in general

>>720156540
>Eigong phase 3 is Yi's theme
Based beyond all comprehension

>>720156608
He was literally trying to leave the ship to tell Heng she was right when Eigong threw him off a cliff.

Started this, played for about 8 hours and then just dropped it. I remember I was stuck on some huge centaur robot boss in a blue pyramid or some shit, and there was also some guy with health regen in a tiny cage in the depths of some kind of factory level, I never could get past that one either. I did beat the bird lady
I want to finish the game but at this point I think I'd have to start from scratch cause I don't even remember where I was supposed to be going

>>720157043
He should have parried that.

>>720156398
Why does he sit like this?

>>720157086
Holy filtered, lady ethereal will be your breaking point even if you manage to progress, so just stay down.

>>720156283
Why is he getting impregnated

>>720152942
He knows that. Or he realized that too late.

>>720142848
Silksong has a lot better movement and no stupid retarded gimmick sections that make replaying a bore. The bosses in Nine Sols beat the shit out of everything in Silksong, except the first bosses that are just Silksong bosses. But from the red warlord forward, Nine Sols owns.

>>720153148
She's a carpetmuncher

>>720157043
Heng’s revenge AU when

It's one of the best games I've played in recent memory. I beat it with a pirated copy and the game went on sale shortly after, and like the autist I am I decided to beat it again. The Eigong fight has got to be the highlight of the game for me too, really satisfying to go learn that fight. I wish there was a post game mode where you could fight a harder version of bosses on par with Eigong.

>>720156283
As far as video game characters go, Yi has quite possibly done THE MOST wrong. Little bastard has a lot to atone for, you wouldn't expect it from someone so adorably small and seemingly non-threatening.

>>720156283
>>720156608
he came up with the eternal cauldron and essentially trapped the remainder of his species in a coffin along with the cat god tree.

>>720157247
precocious brat trying to seduce solarian men with his primate peaches

I think the final boss was a bit overtuned and basically forces you to use auto detonations. They are probably better generally but I managed fine with the aesthetically cooler mega detonation but I got nowhere with it on the final boss and had to relearn a lot. Other than that it's a hella good game.

>game looks genuinely cool
>its unavoidable parryslop
Fuuuuuuck

>>720157590
hk makes you feel like a little bug with how much you pogo and skitter around during fights so if that’s what they were going for they succeeded

>>720158405
try forming your own opinions about things instead of letting your brain get infested with /v/ermin buzzwords

>>720158570
>argueslop
reddit is down the hall

>>720158361
I rarely detonated talismans most (if not all) of my damage was from charged attacks, I use the thingie that makes your charged attack into a big sword and consumes a talisman charge.

>>720149483
I'm not sure I agree there. Now this is with the caveat that I haven't replayed the entire game yet, but I did spend a little while re-doing the entire ending to get the other achievement plus a bit of extra exploration because I had missed a couple of jades, and I also spent some time messing around in battle memories against other bosses, so I do have a little bit of gameplay against both normal enemies and bosses after having beat eigong.
Maybe my fighting style against eigong was just bad or something, but it can be boiled down to "stand still, memorise the timing of her attack animations (especially since some of her sword slashes do the modern fromsoft windup freeze for some reason), and parry repeatedly". This is, by and large, the easiest strategy against all single enemies in the game, and I didn't need to reach the final boss to learn this. The other thing eigong taught me was her specific attack patterns, which is completely non-transferable since every enemy in the game has unique attack patterns and timings, and the first time you encounter a new enemy is always the most difficult as you have to learn those from scratch - and you can only get better by facing that same enemy repeatedly, to learn its specific timings better.

The only times when you don't want to use the "parry everything, strike back when there's an opening" strategy is either when there's multiple enemies, or when the enemies are weak and you wanna speed things up. The former happens a lot and Eigong does nothing to teach you multi-enemy coordination. The latter happens extremely often in normal gameplay - I rarely bother trying to perfect parry everything, I just parry to get some Qi and avoid damage while trying to get a bunch of sword swings in, then talisman for a strong enemy, or just sword to death for a weaker one.

The only thing eigong would have taught me is how to fight minibosses better but I had already learnt that by the end of the game.

>>720158570
Is parrying mandatory in nearly every fight throughout the game? Yes or no?

Just about getting close to wrapping it up, i did a new easy run for the chip achievement and now all thats left is doing the normal ending
And then spending 5 hours on true ending eigong

>>720158940
I parried more on my Eigang attempts than in the rest of the entire game combined.
Which why i probably see so many posts about her being "hard" or difficulty spikes. You don't NEED parries until her fight, but its usually the best course of actions.

>>720158940
yes, and? why is that "slop"?

>>720158940
>Is parrying mandatory in nearly every fight throughout the game?
About half. You're going to get hard walled by some of the later fights without parrying.

>>720158940
Yes. Fortunately you can get by with the reaction parry (for the most part).

Unbounded Counter, on the other hand, is a pain in the ass since it's a predictive parry you can only hold about a second, locks you in place, and has to be charged. Was never any good at using it. But be warned that later fights will heavily incentivise mastering.

>>720159132
I too just beat the game on standard yesterday and I really liked it but I never have patience to 100% metroidvanias. going for every item is a big oofs for me dwag.

>>720157086
The centaur is designed to fuck your mouth if you try to use dodging and positioning to avoid damage. Parry or die.

>>720157773
I'd play it

>>720159721
There isn't a single boss fight in the game that requires the timed counter.

The one and only time when that parry is mandatory is at the tomb when doing the parry thingies.

>>720160151
nine sols was one of the few metroidvanias i went for 100% item completion on, I think the indicator for area completion was the push to go for it since otherwise i assume there's some rock or wall i didn't check. Felt pretty natural to get them all except for looking up the sheet music puzzle, what the fuck were they thinking

>>720160472
the puzzle answer is given to you when you inspect the item shuanshuan gives you. no need to look up.

>>720160151
nine sols is really easy to 100%, the game world is really linear so you never have to traverse to far out of reach places and it tells you exactly the types of items you're missing from each screen

>>720160663
I think he meant the kickstarter bell puzzle with the suns in the painting in Empyrean District. Which I also agree is pretty dumb.

>>720160752
yeah the second puzzle, the first was fine. if anything it made the second one even more confusing since i thought it'd still be related to that first scroll in some fashion.

>>720160447
It's not required, no, but the keyword there was "incentivising". Jiequan, Fuxi and Eigong's red flame attacks are much more difficult to counter/avoid with just dashing than they are with an unbounded counter.

>>720160752
oh yeah that one stumped me to lol, felt so dumb when i looked up the solution

>>720161376
I just hit the bells randomly and got it.

>>720160681
I only wish there was some sort of indicator that you collected everything in the area

>>720134581 (OP)
way better game than shillsong

>>720161364
For my first playthrough I didn't use the unbounded counter even once during boss fights, I would just dash through red attacks instead.
But for my second I actually took the time to learn it and some of the attack patterns are really kino, like Nuwa's needle into Fuxi's red flame axe, or Eigong's uppercut > downing aerial attack > red flame.

>>720161903
>I only wish there was some sort of indicator that you collected everything in the area
there literally is retard

I finished this recently too so it's nice to have this thread.
In a precious thread when discussing Eigong one of you faggots said that she had a fuckmetric amount of HP, quoting something like 5000/7000/5000 for each phase

I went into the fight expecting phase 3 which was non-existent. What the fuck where you talking about?

>>720162585
You got the normal ending instead of the true end. For the true end you need to get the rhizomatic bomb from the grotto of scriptures, and get every present for Shuanshuan & every Shennong health upgrade

>>720162585
She only has a third pase if you pick the "save the apemen" ending when prompted in the pavilion.
You need to basically 100% all the story-related content, give Shuanshuan all gifts and Shennong all poisons.

>>720134581 (OP)
It took me until the ninjas in the pleasure quarter that you have to face enemies in order to parry them

>>720162725
>True ending needs 100% exploration
More metroidvanias should do this

>>720162585
Eigong has 3 phases for the true ending, on the third phase she goes full vergil mode, juggling included, but it is you who gets juggled around.

>>720162585
you got the normal/bad end

You know a game is overhyped dogshit when the insufferable fanbase jerks off about pretentious shit like how obscure the storytelling is or how profound some shallow metaphor is but never bother to talk about or show something about the gameplay worth giving a fuck about

Dont breed and neck it, retards

>>720162768
Ah fuck damnit
I did retrieve the bomb plans and I also have Shuanshuan affinity/Shennong is the leader of the tribe, but I mashed on the dialogue by mistake
I wanted to do a second run and choose the other ending but now Silksong is in the way

>>720134581 (OP)
You have now experienced the best 2D combat system ever. Every new game of the same genre will feel like shit from now on

>>720162725
>>720163037
>>720163067
When selecting the completed save and continue, it puts me before the branching path. Safe to assume that I'll be able to choose the other ending this way?

>>720163451
Yes

>>720163451
yeah, just go back to the shrine place and unlock the tombs to fight the miniboss in the center, also collect everything and give the gifts to boy and drunk guy if you haven't

>>720163451
Yeah, you can get the normal ending and the true ending in the same save file, alternatively if you don't feel like doing it you can go to the boss arena and fight Eigong directly, I think she will have her phase 3 in there too.

>>720163157
>Obscure story
Whoever says this is a retard. The story is VERY clearly told

>>720163157
There is nothing obscure about the story, cats have super aids and everyone is going to die, but before that happens the angry little guy will get his revenge.

That's literally the gist of it, a tale of revenge while in the middle of a dying civilization.

>>720163037
https://youtu.be/09_8fFrPxkg?list=PL-JorAWAIKcmd_ZtufmUcPb7FVVWuj5Yk&t=31
Play this with that gif on.

>>720136029
Me in the middle (happiest moment)

>>720163565
>>720163570
>>720163576
Neat, thanks

I missed nine sols threads
spoilering it I made it lewd

>>720164313
Delet this. That faggot doesn't deserve her.

>>720163173
If you continue your save after you beat the game you will continue from the last checkpoint before the point of no return.

>>720164313
She doesn't deserve him

>>720165093
I like that Taipei is completely covered in 9 sols art

>>720166415
there was a janny intervention once

>>720166735
why is she covered in bird poop

>>720166735
that was august 10, this is the next day

>>720165306
She just wanted to farm REALLY bad is that so much to ask

>>720166812
Ruined

>>720165093
>>720166415
I never realized it until now but Taiwan is steadily on the path to become the furfag capital of the east

>>720164313
>>720166974
Everything points to her having a mommy complex of some sort

>>720146689
>it fucking disables charging a new unbound counter while it's active
Pretty sure you can charge if you just hold the parry button after a consecutive unbound. I only use unbound counters against Eigong unless I'm in the air or it's her talisman, and you need to delay unbounds every now and then in her attack strings.

>>720167689
>Is one of the solarians that views apemen like shit
>Yet chose to "revive" to kid apemen she liked instead of having solarian guards or even solarian zombies
>Has logs about them mourning their deaths so she didn't do it out of malice
She probably would've been a better person if eigong didn't groom her.

>>720134581 (OP)
sadly I'm too autistic to play it until I know for certain whether it'll have dlc, but it looks good

>>720170612
>Logs about mourning their deaths
I must have missed those, all i remember was a coffing inscription that said abused

>>720171481
Tortured corpse inscription

"A life cut short too soon. The Abused - dead at 19."

The inscription on this coffin looks like it was written by Goumang.

Just what it says off the wiki, def comes off a bit melancholic even if it isn't much. I feel like I remember reading that the other died of being forced to starve but idk where the fuck that was.

>>720170612
She had an image to uphold I assume so she payed lip service to the cat superiority zeitgeist. You can’t have one of the people’s heroes treating the filthy slave monkeys like her own kids in public.

>>720170909
it's not getting DLC

>>720172879
That and also she was probably just not mentally well at the point you meet her. Kept completely out of the loop from eigong (which hits harder since she's closer to her than the other sols), probably mentally damaged from the dreamscape, and having those two kids you revived being mindless zombies probably did a number. I'm surprised kaufu is mostly alright being in the dreamscape so often.

sisters, is this game really all that and a bag of titty skittles? i dont want to waste my money on it if it's no good...

>>720174097
after 40 hours in silksong, I liked Nine Sols more.

Should I play this or continue replaying Hollow Knight tonight? I'm stuck trying to decide.

>>720136190
>>720138259
>>720145471
skill issue casual alert
The dodge has invnicibilty frames and you can add the ability to extend its range

You are suppose to work on those reflexes gramps.
Boomer reflexes are for boomers

>>720173646
Her story is kind of fucked
>Wake up prematurely
>Have a migraine from dreamscape
>Check sector condition
>Agricultural sector is in shambles and disrepair
>Traitor who you thought was dead suddenly arrives
>Try to dispose of him but your slave zombies fuck up
>Okay I can still fix this
>Why is communications down?
>Where the hell is everyone?
>What? Zombies in the-
>Oh shit that midget reached me
>Fine this time I'll kill him-
>FUCK MY KNEES
I wish Goumang wasn't disposed of so early. Would've loved to see her get mind broken as the story progressed.

>>720174398
I would not be surprised if it was in the cards at some point. They have said there's a lot of cut content like an entirely extra final boss. Goumang would be the most interesting imo, given she's very early on and has that dynamic with yi (both under eigong) and would be cool to see interaction with shuanshuan with food/farming.

>>720139691
Literally me.

>>720174862
i will never get over chien being a generic mold zombie after all that build up

>>720175920
>Chien just some generic zombie you just kill and shanghai gets owned immediately
>Xingtian just going off to die to his brother who is just as much a nothing fight
I refuse to believe they didn't want to flesh them out more or wanted other characters to be npcs.

This game lives rent free in my head these days
I can't stop thinking about how much of an asshole Yi was towards Heng and what his last words towards her were

Haven't done true ending so hopefully he gets a better redemption arc there

I don't wanna live with regret

>>720177009
I know it'd be a cheap move but really wished that the true end was Yi returning to this moment with all his memories after the true end.

>>720177009
>Hey bro, maybe you should just sit down and accept that we are all fucked and will die of super toxoplasmosis, rules of nature lmao.
She was retarded and I don't get the love.

>>720177453
She regrets it later but Eigong prevented them from meeting one last time

>>720153249
I did it without divine hand don't know what you're talking about

>>720134581 (OP)
Eigong is a terrible boss, had to finish the game in story mode.

>>720178490
I suck at games but beating Eigong inch by inch was one of the most satisfying gaming experiences I've ever had.

>>720178490
Filtered lmao.

>>720178564
I'm terrible as well, had fun with Isshin Sword Saint, but Eigong was too much for me. Maybe I should've tried harder, idk.

>>720178564
same, usually I get frustrated at dying over and over but learning true eigong was a pure joy. easily one of the greatest boss figure ever

>>720177453
They were both retarded let's be real.
>Hey let's sit down and accept death, just give up bro
>Hey sis get on this ship and sleep for 500 years we will SURELY have the cure if we just try hard enough

I don't think any side is good here.

>>720177009
>how to keep your big brother's love with one easy trick

>>720179073
I mean, Yi at least tried, and arguably he keeps trying during the normal ending.

>>720179073
Personally her scenes came off as her trying to tell him to accept the possibility of there being no solution and not to take on too much burden on himself, but couldn't had worded it any worse.

>>720168958

not enough of lewds of her getting mind controlled and freely used honestly

>>720179073
Yeah that's the point, and considering how much time Yi spends reminiscing his time with her he obviously regrets how he handled things

Disowning your only family is just way too harsh

Is Yi the only one to actually care about the Apemen in some way and view them as people or were they any other solarians who thought "man maybe sending these sentient beings who worship us to solve bitcoin equations for us for all eternity is kinda fucked up"

>>720178490
Honestly, her difficulty is way overhyped.

>>720180693
I want to go on a limb and say most of it was probably properganda with a small amount of elitism. Sorta like how badly leaders made some racial groups look to the public like during ww2 to the point normal people looked at them like subhumans.

They probably fed the idea that apemen are spear/rock throwing cavemen who are beneath them and that being used like how they were was befitting for them. Feel like there's some in-game text where some solarians were surprised at how intelligent the apemen were from how they were described but they were prob still too indoctrinated at that point.

>>720180693
Yi looks apemen as livestock, it has his idea to abduct and harvest them shuanshuan is just a pet he picked up along the way and since he somewhat reminded him of his sister, he let shuan hang around.

>thread is nothing but furniggers lusting over the furshit characters.
kek if this game had no furry shit none of you would have given a flying fuck about it, fact. however it is good to know this game genuinely has nothing going for it unless you are a furry nigger.

>>720181024
Hey bro I'm sorry you got raped by a furry at some point in life but venting in this thread won't do a thing, file a police report and do therapy or something

>>720136190
You'll get used to it, I hated the first hour, even thought of dropping the game, I dropped difficulty, thought nah this is retarded, restarted the playthrough completely and then it just worked out, one of my fav if not fav game.

>>720181024
your loss, faggot. I'm as far from a furfag as it gets and it's one of my favorite games of all time

>>720179157
>>720179592
>>720180056
Heng was fsr less pushy but was far too out there spiritually to explain why she wouldn't want to leave to yi without it sounding cryptic and bordering on crazy.

And Yi was a lot more aggressive in getting his point across but also was at least willing to try something, which ended up go against Heng's mentality of accepting the fate the taos path was giving her and he didn't help when he said he wouldnt want a sister who would decide to die with the other "crazy" zealots.

There biggest mistake was likely not trying hard enough to just understand the others side and hear them out, only finding out way later why the other was so adamant on their choices.

>>720181408
Yeah Yi went from zero to 100 way too fast, but that makes sense for him

>As petals fall, I dream of our past
>No ailment, no pain, in sunset's glow, we're cast
>Singing as we wander, our longing so vast
>Beloved, in a hundred years, we may reunite at last

>>720181716
Eigong had him too cooked. She was probably rizzing him up constantly on his experiments and discoveries, if goumang being so salty is anything to go by.

GIVE IT TO ME STRAIGHT VEE, IS IT BETTER THAN SILKSONG?

>>720182006
they're both really good games. just play them both

why do you guys like Goumang so much
if she had her way, she'd turn you into a zombie, ring a bell to force you to cum on her metal legs on command and you'd all be like "hell yes" to that scenario
stop wishing for that, rise above it, be one with the tao

>>720182186
She'd spare me if i called her mommy.

>>720182214

she'd target you specifically to be her personal zombie

>>720182186
Hell yes.

But also shes hot and seems nice deep down. She didnt seem to have more than just those 2 as zombies I think I'm safe.

>>720181742
>Fusang shipping them in the background

>>720178490
Eigong has perfect fight design you are just bad. Every move is fair when you know how to parry it or dodge. People have beaten her in like 20 seconds.

>>720182186
Does the Tao allow me breed elitist bird pussy?

>>720181878
>>720182186
It's funny how goumang is pissed that she wasn't teacher's favorite despite being a grown ass woman

>>720181024
Bait used to be believable

Full Control or Water Flow? Whats better for eigong

>>720185784
She is a female cat those bitches are very territorial even more so than males.

>>720185909
Neither, use your talisman charges for stronger charged attacks.

>>720185909
Full control for bosses
Water flow for crowds

Does this play well on Switch 2? It's on sale in eshop atm for the lowest price.
Or is there any point waiting for sale on ps5 or steam?

>>720187603
Just pirate it on PC lmao

>>720185946
She was screwed considering she's an agricultural specialist and her rival is literally cat Einstein

>>720185909
I liked full control
The biggest game changer for me in the fight was learning that her grab attack has a super low hitbox, (probably cuz yi is so short lmao) so if you just jump up a tiny bit you can talisman through her easily and get a 5 qi full control off. She uses that move at predictable times too, like right after that one move with the 3 delayed wind strikes.

>>720187776
>(probably cuz yi is so short lmao)
i like how you can mess with fuxi by weaving between his legs during his boss fight
>aww hold still! c'mere-dammit! NUWA! GET HIM FOR ME!

Does anyone have that pic of what kind of cats the characters are with the last one being just bowling ball?

>>720188170
Now that I look at it, this probably isn't it

>>720134581 (OP)
It's so much better than Shitsong. No runbacks, no backtracking, no farming, no cryptic shitty story and dialogue a la Soulsshit. Just a damn good game

>>720188170
I gotchu

>>720190805
I thought Jiequan was a tiger

>>720190968
Hard to say, though they might be going off his child appearance?

>>720191146
I want to say tiger since they vastly outclass lions in the strength department and are even more brutal

Can't believe there was a 9S thread and I missed most of it

>>720191794
the catalog is a little silked up to be usable lately...

>>720191794
xia women are so beautiful

>>720191794
I played nine sols late so I enjoyed this thread greatly, can't believe I ignored this game when /v/ was all over it.

>>720191924
Better late than never, I was quite late to it as well. Nothing wrong with it, but most of the conversation has already been had

>>720134581 (OP)
I thought this was just a chinese copy of HK so skipped on playing up about a month ago. It's actually amazing. It has less metroidvania and a lot more story stuff than HK, but it stands extremely well on that.

>>720185784
I want to french kiss Goumang's thighs

>>720188269
Still cute!

>>720190805
Ayyy cheers mate!

>>720191924
I played it a week after launch after initially dismissing it as "cheap chinese HK clone", boy did I feel like a moron.

>>720191924
Thankfully it still gets threads and they tend to have at least a sliver of discussion, though it's a lot of waifuposting these days. I'm glad for it, because the threads are what got me to push through Eigong when I played the first time.

>>720154104
I think it's supposed to be a nod at the hubris of technology. You know, the entire theme of Eigong's downfall and also Yi's until he repents
Not everything is a fucking real world political metaphor, plus nothing suggests the solarians are supposed to be CCP

>>720155862
For me it's Fuxi's. OoooOOAAaAAAaa!

Yi and Goumang should hug and kiss each other!

>>720194521
imagine the hatesex

>>720158361
You detonate a talisman when you knock her down after parrying a red attack. Except in phase 2 where she sometimes jumps up and does the ghost triple slash but then you just get a 3-pip detonation off instead of the full 5-pip one.

>>720160472
>>720161376
Yeah same, I spent like 40 minutes staring at the painting and trying to make sense of the logic.
I had the idea of sorting them by pitch but the thing is the bells have some sort of different timbre, that or I'm completely fucking tone deaf, so I came up with some schizo ordering that was entirely wrong. I had almost the right solution though, when I looked it up and saw that the pitch goes left to right or some shit like that I got the answer first try, and then I was mad at both myself and the game. Fuck.

>>720164313
Yi does NOT have a mouth

>>720169584
Huh, are you using divine hand, and are you still able to UC the usual 4-slash sword attack for example?
The wiki apparently agrees with me: https://ninesols.wiki.gg/wiki/Divine_Hand_Jade
>The Divine Hand Jade can actually make it more awkward to use repeated Unbounded Counters against two attacks spaced apart by a certain longer delay. This is because the jade makes it impossible to perform normal parries during its ~0.65s activation window, so there is a brief window (from ~0.65s to ~1.15s after the previous Unbounded Counter) in which additional Unbounded Counters cannot be performed if standing still, neither by the Divine Hand effect nor by being charged conventionally.
But the wiki also mentions you can cancel the divine hand effect by moving which doesn't eliminate the issue but lets you charge a new UC sooner so maybe that's good enough to get it back in time for Eigong's normal attacks. I'll need to try that.

>>720141862
Most of Nine Sols' bosses are forgettable outside of Eigong

>>720177009
>I don't wanna live with regret
Well you picked the wrong game for that my man

>>720195341
Hey, hey.
It's more of dying followed by eternal unlife in the void, with regret

>>720192764
The Chinese are going to tsunami the board in the gnosticism/torture erotica department so hard once decent localizations for indie-indie titles start rolling in.

>>720177009
> I don't wanna live with regret
What can change the nature of a cat?

>>720185909
The fight is nice because it really lets you pick your preferred style, and showcases how differently you can approach combat by the end of the game when you have all the tools.
I think the most popular strategy is to ubnound counter as often as possible to maximise internal damage, and then water flow makes it easier to realise that damage but full control also lets you do a decent chunk on top of that, and you don't need to apply the internal damage too often except to actually end a phase (you can even beat an entire phase with just internal damage and then do a single 1-pip talisman to instantly one-shot her). So it doesn't matter too much.
You can even do Qi Blast and spam the azure bow a lot more often. There are not too many opportunities to use full control, so if you're going for a normal damage strategy then this may well be the better DPS option.

>>720188269
lmao jiequan

I can't take Yi seriously. I know he's supposed to be a no nonsense Chinese scientist/scholar that committed horrific atrocities and condemned an entire race of sentient people to a fate worse than death for his own's races own gain and only realizes the horrific nature of his actions after he starts bonding with one of them but he's just a funny little cat that takes big hits from his pipe and will parry anything you throw at him

>>720195710
he's just a little autistic is all

>>720195710
he's just a lil guy

If Hollow Knight is the Dark Souls of Metroidvanias and Nine Sols is the Sekiro of Metroidvanias, what's the Bloodborne of Metroidvanias?

>>720196382
To me the main qualities of Bloodborne are an emphasis on aggression in combat, ranged tools that augment your melee, a story about the nature of power and duty, and a design that is both full of motifs alluding to Dark Souls but in conversation with it rather than iterating on it. Recency bias definitely leans me towards saying Silksong but I'm also struggling to think of anything else that strikes the same notes.

>>720196382
>Nine Sols is the Sekiro of Metroidvanias
It's nothing like Sekiro

>>720197184
I understand you find the comparison reductive, but let's be real here, anon.

>>720196382
> guns
> lots of blood
> lots of giant motherfuckers whose knees you scrape to win
> random katanas
uhhhhh

>>720197924
And i'm upset that devs think that way.
It's nothing like Sekiro, and it sucks

I couldn't get into Sekiro but loved Nine Sols
I played HK because people kept comparing it to NS but didn't enjoy it either

>>720194671
>I hope he gets the hint

>>720182006
You could make a case for them being about as good, but can't say it's better. Nine Sols definitely has more engaging characterisation and storytelling, but Silksong's general exploration (e.g. area complexity, environmental variety) is superior. Other aspects, like music and combat, are more difficult to separate, as Ji and Hornet both have reasonably extensive toolkits/movement options by mid-game.

>>720200123
>Ji
Fuck, I meant Yi. Keep getting their names mixed up

I understand that final boss needs to be the hardest, but I think they went overboard. It's like the whole game steadily progresses difficulty from 1 to 6, then BAM, true end Eigong is a 10.

>>720200252
I was convinced there was some kind of connection between the two because they’re both short guys and then he grows like four sizes out of nowhere

>>720200581
a most brutal mogging

>>720200309
I agree, I think some of the other bosses really needed to be harder. A lot of them, when I beat them I still didn't feel like I had mastered them, just got a really good run through sheer luck.
Eigong went really far in the other direction, I felt like I had a good grasp of the fight long before I finally managed to get all the way through. It may not actually be the case but I feel like having beat her, I'm also not that far away from doing a no-hit run too if I really wanted to. Which as you said is fine for a final boss, but the other bosses just feel underwhelming in comparison.

>>720201034
i wish two giant claws appeared and stretched him out like taffy

>the antisocial schizo guy who doesn't trust "the elite", is a fat bastard and a drunkard
>his nickname is "ah-nong"
I think it's a coincidence but kekkity

I really wanted to like this game but it filtered me after 2-3 areas. It was just too hard, I sucked at the parry timing, and it became mind-numbing instead of fun, so I ended up dropping it. I suspect I misunderstood the proper parry timing or it was badly telegraphed because I just couldn't make sense of it. Sad because I was liking the systems in general, but I just knew that I'd end up inevitably getting walled later on.

>>720201803
I don't get it, what is ah-nong supposed to imply?

>>720202462
you can always play the journalist mode, tune the difficulty all the way down and then progressively turn it up as you learn how to play

>>720202651
But that's the thing, I wasn't getting better. I just kept throwing myself at encounters over and over until I lucked out, leaving with no better understanding of why my parries were never connecting even though I though I was reacting to the cue and it seemed like it should be good. Until eventually I just got tired.

>>720202601
She basically calls him anon

>>720202462
>>720202792
When I first started the game I also found the parry timing rather unintuitive, but it's just how the game works. For a perfect parry you need to press the buttom 0.1 seconds before the hit, so if you overtune it and try to predict exactly when the attack will connect and press it a frame too late (or I think maybe on the same frame? I'm not sure of that detail), it's too late and won't register. And the imperfect parry mechanic lets you register a parry (with internal damage) up to 0.6s before the attack, so another half second too early for a perfect parry, but still adds zero leeway for parrying too late.
The result is that you need to learn to press the parry button just before the attack hits, not exactly the frame it hits. Specifically you need to aim for 0.05 seconds before, giving you +-0.05 seconds of leeway, and lean towards the side of making it a bit too early so you can at least get an imperfect parry if you fail. If you're always aiming your muscle memory for the exact frame where the attack visibly connects, any imprecision causing you to be even slightly too late will fail the parry entirely.

But the thing is I managed to improve my muscle memory and the way I read enemy attacks within the first or second area or so. I was still not fantastic at it and I was still dying a lot up to around the 4th or 5th areas but if you're really struggling to comprehend the timing at all after three areas then maybe the game just isn't for you, yeah. It's not just hard, it requires a very specific skill in timing and reaction which is not necessarily something everyone finds fun.

what if they make a sequel and it's 3D

>>720153473
I always pull on my cats tongue when this happens.

>>720179976
Fuck off, we need more lovey dovey art between her and apemen.

Sex with Shaun Shaun.

>>720150415
I liked all of them except Jiequan, idk, he was extremely easy for some reason, I didn't even use the item on him. Honestly, hardest bosses were the centaur, the first real boss and Eigong, everyone else was easy or decently difficult. I was ready to drop the game on Centaur

>>720189309
Even the worst runbacks are like 5 seconds at worst and those are mostly mini bosses that you can come back later while being op as fuck and mop the floor with them

>>720202462
Just practice until you get the timing down, pick off enemies and don’t be afraid to just run past them. You get a mid air parry that’s much more forgiving early on.

>>720203967
Bigger enemies just feel harder in this game because to me at least it feels harder to read the exact timing of their attacks and react to when I need to parry. Centaur beat my ass at the start of the game too.
But Goumang was even harder because you've got two niggers on your ass at all times and have to manage them both (and you normally don't have the bow at that point)

>>720204010
Are you talking about 9S or silksong? I haven't played silksong but people keep complaining about minutes-long runbacks there.

>a nine sols thread that's still alive when I wake up in the morning
wow

>>720147207
What do you mean? Lear is right there waiting for his prequel.

>>720204059
I would agree with you that she is harder, but I don't know, I guess I was just in the flow/in the zone and beat her fairly quickly. She was also my first boss ever because I lowered the difficulty on Centaur, then deleted the save because I didn't feel good about it, started a new and accidentally got to Goumang and bought the game since I was pirating
It was very satisfying though.

>>720204309
Fair. I've also heard other people saying Goumang wasn't that bad so maybe I just have a mental defficiency with tracking multiple targets
I also had a massive problem with the prison guy (kanghui I think, the one locked in stocks who begs you to kill him), and I only realised later that I forgot the bow exists and I should've used it a lot more so that was my fault, but without using the bow it was the most painful boss of all and felt ten times harder than eigong (even if it didn't take me as long to beat)

>>720160337
Centaur is a great "do you get it?" Boss. Until you accept the game is demanding parrying you get walled.

>>720204432
Oh yeah he was def unsatisfyingly annoying, unlike Ethereal that was decent and felt really good to beat.

>>720204491
I'm >>720204059 and I just think huge enemies are really hard to read the timing of. It's also your first boss so coming in I wasn't super great at parrying in general yet and my timing even for normal enemies was shaky. I personally think it's about the right difficulty for a "hard game" with hard bosses, but he's definitely still pretty damn hard even if you're doing your absolute best to parry like a good goy (like I was).
Like, at that point you've probably fought maybe 2-3 enemies max that have a green attack you need to tai chi kick, and the muscle memory to jump up and do the mid-air kick is just not there yet so you have to consciously react to all of this, all while you're also consciously trying to adjust your parry timing because you're getting hit 30% of the time and getting imprecise parries 50% of the time.

And you probably only have two heals at that point.

>>720182006
I like both

>>720204653
Ethereal is incredibly fun, I don't know how or why but everyone seems to love her fight and so do I.
Maybe it's the fact that it's not too hard while also being extremely fast-paced and you're forced to keep up with her attacks and go fight off every new clone, thus pumping you with adrenaline and feeling exhilarating while also not being so hard that it's frustrating. And her phase 3 repeated green dash is kino when you realise what the attack pattern is and just perfectly counter like 5-6 red dashes and get rewarded with stunning her and an opportunity for a max power talisman.

>>720204432
I brute forced the fight with water flow and the mid air block lol, forgot about the bow stunning enemies

>>720204107
Shillsong

Fantastic kino game.
I wish Yi and Heng a love filled reincarnation after passing through the dao.

>>720205015
Water flow is the best at that point I think since you only have the two qi anyway (I don't remember if it deals less damage than a 2-pip qi blast but if it is it can't be much). It was still incredibly nerve wracking to keep parrying both, stagger their kills to maximise goumang timing, and make sure I got a talisman off on her without getting fucked up by the other guy or mis-applying the talisman.
Plus again it's only the second fight in the game. I think if you had to fight both fuxi and nuwa in the arena it would've been kino and a really fun double battle (though what they went for is thematically cool too), but by the point of goumang I was better than with yingzhao but still not perfect at parrying

>>720205217
I was talking about kanghui i.e. the glory hole guy in the prison section

>>720205335
Oh right I mixed up the reply chains
Yeah I also made it harder on myself by using full control for some dumb reason. But even still by the time he spawns a guardian, two dogs, and instantly shits out four flies and then keeps shitting out more before you get to clean up the rest, I had trouble even parrying anything reliably, even in mid-air

>>720205335
>Kanghui
Probably the worst boss theme wise, nigga gets forced to reverse vore enemies for eternity

>>720205634
>Made an incest joke at a royal banquet
>Subjected to eternal torture as punishment
Don't fuck with the Fengs unless you're related

>>720205854
That hat looks stupid

>>720168958
funny thing about this, it was made in response to a certain drawthread spammer

>>720205104
close to the end the whole thing is pure kino, when the puzzle starts to come together, Heng's messages, virus and its origin etc

>>720206006
Sex

>>720206006
I will never forgive Yi for what he did to her

>>720199964
>day 864
>Yi still doesn't know why they need to train martial arts this way, but is confident he will get a win soon
>Goumang has given up hinting and is now just using Yi as a dildo

>>720205912
Sound like someone wants to be built into the wall

>>720205912
>Your face looks stupid

>>720206396
Honestly there wasn't a happy end for them
>split apart, what we got
>Yi stays, has to watch Heng die slowly wracked with guilt believing that he could've saved her if he'd talked sense into her
>Heng goes, spiritually crushed, probably winds up a mindless mutant kept imprisoned by Yi, he'd go read her stories like he used until he wakes up to find himself revived in the fusang roots after she loses control, only to repeat the cycle again the next night

>>720207014
the dao can be a real bitch

>>720207014
I think
>split apart but with a happy farewell, each one believing they're doing the best but wishing the other success
is about as good as it could've been, and, while far from perfect, would have been miles better than what we got. Goodbyes matter.
Of course to some degree that would have required at least Yi to entertain the idea of giving up on soience and giving in to the Tao, long before he was ever ready to accept the concept, so it would've been a rather out of character for him at that point. But nevertheless if it had been possible it would've been a better ending.

>>720207764
But that still leaves Heng dying painfully alone and Yi learning everything he worked for is a lie, and being shanked by his mentor, and with no messages this time I assume.

>>720207764
>>720207014
Honestly, if Eigong didn't kill Yi when he was leaving to go apologise to Heng I think that would've been the best ending possible but it was not part of the dao

>>720208036
Possibly. We may never know until the nine sols dating game Heng route

>>720208017
>Hend dying painfully
Peacefully, no?
>Yi learning everything he worked for is a lie, and being shanked by his mentor
You win some you lose some, there was never a guarantee of success. And in a universe where Yi is self-aware enough to accept his sister's PoV he would probably also be a bit more open to the possibility of failure than in his canon state of being indoctrinated by Eigong (who never accepted failure even to the last). He'd do his best and realise it didn't work, oh well, it was their best shot and the alternative was just dying immediately anyway.
>and with no messages this time I assume
Why wouldn't Heng just send some voicemail every now and then to tell her beloved brother how things are going and wish him well in his endeavours as long as she was still alive?

How do I enjoy this piece if shit game? Even after getting multiple heals and extended lifebar everything just fucking kills me if I miss a single parry. It's hyped as one of the greatest game ever made and I can recognize that a lot of work was put into this game, it controls tightly, it looks and sounds nice, the quality is there but I have difficult time getting gud and enjoying it to the fullest.

>>720208147
How do I get the Lady E ending

>>720205912
They are sex appeal limiters. Without them no solarian in a mile radius would be able to contain themselves.

>>720134581 (OP)
I hate games with hp bars over every enemy's head so I'll never play this. Art style looks nice besides that.

>>720209040
It's not from a single parry. Now you're right that it is quite punishing, a lot of enemies can take off 1/3rd of your health in one attack, and some stronger enemies can two-shot you (though it's a good bit rarer). But saying everything is a one-shot is an exaggeration.
The answer is simply to get good - it's normal to die a lot when starting out (which is one big reason I fucking HATE the corpse run mechanic, its only outcome is to fuck over new players for no reason, and to ever so slightly annoy experience players, and provide no reward or satisfaction to either). You're expected to be able to parry almost every single attack, and it's normal to not have a lot of leeway if you do get hit. Play more defensive, avoid challenging groups of enemies if possible, play analytical and focus carefully on enemy attack patterns, and use your bow when the level gets hard. If you can beeline the maxed out qi blast in the skill tree the bow becomes a lot more fun to use since you can recharge it.

And remember that an imprecise parry only deals internal damage which will heal back up. The ultimate goal is to be able to perfect parry everything and the game rewards you for it, but if you get an imprecise parry it's not the end of the world. If you're fighting an enemy that's really tough (or if you're stuck in a group of enemies) it may well be smart to retreat and heal back up if you feel like you're just gonna get hit and die.

Ironically by the endgame once I had gotten gud I was barely ever dying despite the enemies ramping up significantly in damage and health and speed and attack patterns. (Enemies keep 3-4 shotting you throughout the game even as you keep upgrading your health, by the way.) The game just half a learning curve this steep, about the first half of the game you'll be dying a lot to small simple early game enemies, and eventually you'll be parrying late game epic ninja enemies with minimal efforts.

The devs had just closed some channels on Discord to make way for an announcement for an upcoming event. Thoughts?

>>720213669
>Thoughts?
I hate discord trannies
Uninstalling the game now