Thread 720287121

>bosses all do 2 damage
>5-6 hp most of the game
So technically any boss can 3 hit you in the game. And they are all super hard. Imo they forgot to add the 'fun' element in this. Its just difficult to be difficult.

>>720287121 (OP)
you heal for 3 HP every like 6 attacks so basically you have infinite health pool unless you do a few attacks every now and then
why doesn't this get mentioned together with the 2 damage shit?
and you heal in 1 go for 3 hp so you can progress and see the moveset very easily and actually learn the fight even at 5 health

I have a fresh complaint: dying to a boss over and over until your tool shards run out, and then pausing to go fn0arm them.

>>720287389
Shards are a mistake. It's the most glaring flaw of the game. Tools already have a limited use, there's no reason for it to exist.

>>720287121 (OP)
unlike the first game you heal a whole bunch of health at once, so it's actually really easy. every time you get hit you can heal back more than you got hit by, as long as your damage output is there

>>720287121 (OP)
not hard, just a skill issue you can overcome with time

You literally can outheal all your damage.

Skill issue.

>>720287272
4 damage combos are a thing
>take 2HP contact damage from old ass antiquated collision boxes.
>then instantly take 2HP from attack hitbox as well (for some reason i-frame grace period doesn't stop this)

Healing should not even be a thing. it's just souls potion chugging. not only does it look incredibly stupid mid fights but it's the cancer killing action games.
Games that just give you a decent amount of HP and never let you heal are leagues above souls slop.

>>720287121 (OP)
THE GAME IS UNPLAYABLE

>>720287881
>All healing is now soulshit
DMC had healing literally since day one.

>>720287121 (OP)
TC is fucking genius.
Make the game hard on purpose so people will talk about how hard it is rather than how bad the gameplay is given that this thing took 7 years of development.
The last boss is an absolute disappointment, everyone who fought it was like "wait is that it?"

>>720287121 (OP)
The whole game is full of things that are there to be annoying and unforgiving, which is not the same thing as challenging. It's a shame because the rest of the game is very well designed.

>>720287890
GIT GUD

>>720288020
>DMC
Protosoulslop, in that it popularized getting bored and making mistakes as a way of making a game difficult.

>>720288020
dmc5 was always better than sekiro

>>720288118
>last boss
Which one? That's just the act 2 boss. Theres an act 3 and dark lace is the final boss.

OP can't even farm (You)s

>>720288145
kek, peak boss design. It will be garbage even if the boss did half mask dmg.

>>720288020
if you consume a single item the game tells you you're a faggot and you lose out on S rank.
It's designed as a crutch for shit baby mode players. that's what a heal is meant to be.
in HK it's intended for you to spam heal IT'S EVEN MAPPED TO A FUCKING FACE BUTTON

>>720287389
>Having fun learning the Widow fight and ready to go for it again
>WHOOPS no shards left, time to put the boss on hold to either go grind for five minutes or run to Deep Docks to waste my rosaries on a bundle
Legitimately adds nothing to the game and just wastes your time

>>720288274
the ending where lace and hornet get saved the knight.
I expected the grand mother to wake up but game just ended.

>DMCnigger
Ninja Gaiden always had healing and didn't punish you. It wasn't designed for no hit run either.
Silksong is more like Ninja Gaiden. The game where normal enemies can easily kill you at any stage of the game
OP is shitter

>>720288774
>Ninja Gaiden always had healing
but if you used it more than once per mission you were a faggot. because ninja gaiden has adequate HP, pickups and checkpoints.
the potions are only a crutch for shitters.

>>720288216
Shit was always better than puke

>>720287389
It's just padding and artificial "gut gud".

>>720288664
the tools are just for panic brute forcing the fight. widow is super formulaic and only gets hectic in the final phase.

I can't believe how absolutely filtered /v/ is by this game. it explains all the buttmad. you guys spent the past 8 years seething about hollow knight and now silksong has come out and the difficulty has been upped to like the basic first tier of the pantheon and it's completely entirely beyond the average anons skill level.

>>720287516
TC just couldn't care enough to make good tool system with upgrades.
They rushed this shit so hard it's not real.
Instead of 60 mostly bad tools, just add 10-15 good ones that you can upgrade by using the shards, give 2 versions to every tool that player can choose from when upgrading. Too bad this will take more than few days of work.

>>720288664
>widow fighting
>"learning"

just turn off music and ignore bells in phase 2 and focus on dodging boss dash attack and there is no way to lose the fight

>>720287890
>rushes into the boss despite him being stationary
>throw the boomerang against the wall, and not in the air like a boomerang should
>heal in the path of the telegraphed dash attack

And all of that after having already seen the two attacks the boss can do.

>>720288145
This is the most uninspired gameplay I've ever seen.

>>720288145
>nondescript shitbrick flies left to right up and down
>spamming adds is his only threatening move
7 YEARS

>>720290916
And it filtered thousands.
Are you aware of the seething and moaning over that bug?

>>720290916
>Braindead easy intro boss
>Still filters thousands

>>720287389
it's the game telling you to fick off and get more powerups, good mechnic actually

>>720291108
That pussy is too scared to play Silksong because they know they're a shitter

>>720287389
perhaps you should focus on developing your core skillset instead of panic mag dumping at the start of a boss fight

>>720287121 (OP)
>>bosses all do 2 damage
Not true for all attacks. And very rarely true for contact damage. People exaggerate the point a lot for some reason. Repeat it too. Honestly curious.
>So technically any boss can 3 hit you in the game.
The game also has you be not just more, not just double, but several times more agile than the Knight was in Hollow Knight. So you honestly shouldn't be getting hit close to as often as you were in Hollow Knight.

>>720288145
THIS is what the shitters have been crying about?

>>720288664
it's the game telling you you're a tool spamming nub and to let off on it

I can't be the only one who doesn't use tools
Tools are a noobtrap that do shit for damage and don't get you any silk

>>720292146
triple dagger thing solos any mini boss and helps clear adds
but yeah i mostly dont bother with tools

>>720292146
They're very useful for crowd control, like just deleting one enemy as soon as it spawns in a gauntlet room so you can focus on the other.

>>720292291
This.
Tools aren't something you have to spam extra damage at a boss enemy. There's many of them for many different reasons and scenarios.
I want to say people just aren't used to having access to different 'loadouts' that are swappable.

>>720287121 (OP)
i've had a lot of fun with the game aside from the constant fast traveling and searching for almost impossible to find items needed for 100%
everything combat related is pure fun and adrenaline rush. so uhh.. git gud.

>>720289605
>>720292051
Using tools is fun and the game already limits how much you can spam them by giving you a set number you can use before needing to sit at a bench to refill them. The way to reduce tool spam would simply be to more drastically limit that number, having to craft more if you run out is just pure padding.
>>720289862
I already beat the fight and it didn't take that long, definitely one of the best in the game so far.

>>720288664
why would you even need tools for the widow fight
it's such an easy and straightforward boss

They listened to the sweats

>>720291409
It's honestly baffling how many bad decisions the devs thought were a good idea in this game. What if we charged a hefty fee to unlock fast travel in every area, which only offers convenience and no actual material worth to the player short of not wasting their fucking time? What if every minor enemy had exactly twice as much health as they actually needed? What if the levels were huge and all looked the fucking same? What if exploring said areas was pointless anyway? What if one of the only tools the player could completely run out only if they were stonewalled by a boss? What if we made a metroidvania where going back to a previous area and using your new traversal tools to explore netted you exactly 4 dollars? What if we made a metroidvania were the only substantial increase in power the player gets until half way through the game is a basic movement option they should have had since the beginning anyway? What if every enemy did contact damage whether it made sense or not?
Fucking insane that anyone thinks this shit is good. Give me one good gameplay reason why a bell station should cost a single fucking cent. They are either dumb as dogshit or simply wasting my time on purpose, which honestly seems to have been the pillar of this game's design philosophy.

>>720293308
>a hefty fee to unlock fast travel
literally kill 3 npcs and you have enough
if that's too difficult for you then maybe play something else

>>720293461
>literally 3
It's not
>Just go mindlessly grind enemies until you can afford to buy it
Way to prove my point

>>720293308
Skill issue lol
Get gud

>mod compass to always be equipped
>set rosaries to infinite
wow it's like there's a good game under the slop

>>720287890
i know you're trolling but there are actually retards like these out there. lunateac is struggling with some basic pogoing and runebee took her sweet time trying to kill sister splinter. it's unbelievable how people who play games almost every day, can't fucking handle a 2D platformer.

>>720294042
>Literally 3
>N--n-no...
How many is it then? Be specific.

>>720287209
This. If you spent more time playing and less time making cry baby threads you might improve at the game

>>720294042
a bench or fast travel is like what 60/80 rosaries?
each mob gives around 20
do the maths
that's not hefty, that's not a grind

>>720293137
Of course you don't need them for Widow, just like you don't need them for any other boss, but she has extra openings you can take advantage of with tools and the fight becomes even more fun than if you're just using your needle.
>Drop a spike trap on the spot you know she's going to appear at the start of the fight or during phase 3 transition and watch her eat damage while you're stunned
>Throw a projectile if the pattern of her bell drops make it too dangerous to approach but otherwise leave her completely vulnerable
>Flea Brew buff for zooming around in phase 3
If you're refusing to use tools because you think they're just for cheap, mindless spamming then frankly you're missing out.

>>720287121 (OP)
>you heal 3HP in just 2 seconds
>it recharges in only 9, 8, 7 or 6 hits depending on silk regen upgrades, one of which is in the first area
>getting more silk gives leftovers
>reaper gives more silk
holy shit, unironically git gud.

>>720294146
Personal anecdote but I played and replayed Cuphead frequently to S rank the bosses and the ones on HK and Silksong feel pretty similar in execution.
Pattern recognition
Tight character control
Exploiting safe attack moments
Killing adds before they become a problem.
USING THE RIGHT TOOLS FOR THE RIGHT BOSS

>>720294371
Reaper fits my playstyle perfectly so far. I love getting extra silk back during a boss fight after heal. Combine with the flea juice and Hornet just shits damage

>>720294167
>>720294239
Greymoor bellway is 80
Average Greymoor enemy gives like 5-8
Yeah next go "OH WOW SO WHAT LIKE 10 ENEMIES? YOU CAN'T EVEN BEAT 10 ENEMIES BRO??" and completely ignore the point that it doesn't serve the game or the the player to charge anything to use fast travel.

>>720294618
Then cheat and have infinate money.

>>720294618
unironically just download bepinex and give yourself infinite rosaries. it's a bad mechanic that adds nothing to the game

>>720287121 (OP)
I'm at the last boss of Act 2 and so far even the optional bosses haven't even been that hard, they all have patterns that involve a bit of windup on their attacks so you can tell what they're about to do.

>>720294689
>>720294715
I bought it on console

>>720294715
the mods to have the compass and magnet always on are great too. for people that want to casualize the game, the one that removes runbacks to bosses is kino and will up your enjoyment of the game a lot if you're sick of the time wasted on runbacks.

>>720287121 (OP)
Just remove 2 damage contact damage. I take so many unnecessary Ls because the boss grazes me with their nutsack. Remove 2 damage hazards too.

>>720294756
Then get a refund, buy it on PC, and mod it.
Or pirate it. I don't fucking care.
My point is, if you don't like the product, do something about it instead of complaining online.

>>720294239
>each mob gives around 20
Where the fuck are you that this is happening

>>720294592
yeah, much like all of these kinds of games, the game gives you mechanics to make it easier on yourself, or harder.
lots of ways to tone down the challenge in SS... but /v/ cant handle that I guess.

>>720294513
exactly this. if only people would use their brains more and didn't try to mash their way through everything. but i guess patience is a rare thing among young people nowadays. gotta have that tiktok dance on the side to calm their adhd down.

>>720287121 (OP)
OP is a faggot.
But the flying enemies have jank collision and you cut right through their sprites for no damage and the hitbox seems inconsistent.
So there are some issues in the game.

>dat area with nothing but flying bosses
>then the lava rises

I haven't had an issue with the game, even beat hard bosses, until this part. This area is dogshit. Nothing hits how you'd expect.
I spent more time here than on anything else.

>>720294847
It honestly bothers me that a game with so many glaring flaws is doing so well.
I won't rest until everyone else realizes this game is shit.

>>720293308
>What if we charged a hefty fee to unlock fast travel in every area
But that's intentionally painful because they're making a statement about money being the religion of our society (literally called rosaries).

>>720287890
I beat him on my first try. The second fight is wayyyy more annoying.
Btw, she had armor in the last life... How Can I get this?

>>720295076
Fill out those captchas, scrub. 4chan needs to know how bad you are at this game.

>>720295076
But your complaints are pure skill issues, unlike >>720295002 which is actually bugs and jank.
>Ladybug fight
>get stuck to the ceiling

>>720290916
>one of the first optional boss is a bug with only two attacks and no unique boss theme
>actual bosses with lore and real names have complete movesets and theme

People who haven't finished act 1 shouldn't be allowed to give a review.

>>720294618
>it doesn't serve the game or the the player to charge anything to use fast travel.
it's a skill check
complete challenge -> get reward/progress
basic videogame design
greymoor mobs give around 20 rosaries too, like just go kill a couple of those scissor guys, or quickly farm those 2 guys right outside the greymoor station, or simply just walk from bellhart to greymoor while killing everything and you have more than enough
rosaries are so easy to get, and I've lost my fair share of rosaries because I play like a retard (400-700 rosaries lost like 3-4 times already) and still never had to grind for anything, I buy every single thing I come across asap, all my shops are empty
only time I had to "grind" was when I needed 300 rosaries for upgrading a town, and still only because I wanted to keep my strings instead of breaking them, and the farm consisted of killing everything on my way to complete another quest, so i managed to integrate it into my normal gameplay instead of mindlessly grinding mobs

>>720295076
So are you going to get a refund?

So why is it called Silksong?
Or is that a major spoiler?

>>720295179
Kinda hard to finish act 1 because of Judge and Phantom.
Phantom is harder in my opinion.

>>720287121 (OP)
I like how your first health upgrade doesn’t even mean anything because you still can only take 3 hits.

>>720295076
bro it's $20, it can have flaws for $20.

>>720295269
>she play song with da silk
Why don't the weevil entrances stay open though? That's fucking annoying as fuck.

>>720295270
You only have to beat Judge to get through act 1, you can do Phantom when you have better things like nail upgrades or more masks and silk.

>>720295181
>complete challenge -> get reward/progress
Pretty fucking rich to say this about this game.

>>720291951
They're not even at any parts with actual bugs or jank yet kek.
Ladybug is bugged to the point of being completely broken so you should avoid it until patched. You get stuck to the ceiling.
But also later flying enemies have awful hitboxes that don't make sense and you cut right through their sprite for no damage.

>>720295270
Judge is not even hard, it's just about spacing. Seriously, it's like listening to people bitch about bosses is ruining my expectations of the game. I'm getting disappointed because of you guys.

>>720295336
Does she?
I haven't played the game yet. I know silk is used for attacks, haven't seen anything about singing/songs.

>>720295361
Phantom was so fun. Like another Hornet.
Judge was ok, but got a bit annoying.
I'd choose Phantom everyday.

Healing is super easy and forgiving with even one charm OP
Reaper crest also solves the whole game, I have no idea what they were thinking making reaper easy and OP as fuck then the sonic spindash one absolute garbage

>>720295379
damn dude you're going full retard. how about you switch to FF15 and hold the attack button down while the game plays itself? no need to cry here because you lack brain cells.

>>720295463
>Ladybug is bugged
The guy with the knife throwing minigame?

>>720287890
>Mask charm tanks a 2-damage hit and protects your last hit point instead of getting instakilled
I'm still early, but this thing is a godsend so far.

>>720295379
just admit you're bad at managing your resources
it's not the game's fault
rosaries shouldn't ever be an issue

>>720295464
It wasn't that bad for me, having done Phantom before.
But for newcomers to the series it must have sucked ass because it's a hell of a difficulty spike and so hard to get to.
I don't really get why the run is necessary.

>>720295672
I will admit that the runback is obnoxious.

>>720295621
No sorry, Trobbio.
I got mixed up.

I hate the heal.
Just give me the Hollow Knight heal.
Quick, one health, low cost.
Healing for three is awful. You take 2 damage from most things so you either waste one or you're short one and it takes lots of hits to refill the bar.

>>720295563
Beast is combat orriented.

>>720295657
rosaries are stingy as shit until you get the wall slide. one or two deaths with a big stack of the world spawn rosaries means you have to grind out 8-12 rosary mobs that don't respawn until you sit at a bench

>>720295181
>it's a skill check, complete challenge -> get reward/progress
>just go farm for it

>>720295747
Just get the quick heal talisman.

>>720287516
They could keep shards but turn them into ammo like collecting hearts in castlevania.

difficulty fags need to fuck off the real travesty is the lack of rosary beads. Granted I’m still in act 1 but I’m constantly having to backtrack and farm beads for maps and benches

Another shitter tears, mmmmmmm delicious

>>720287890
Are you serious? Before minions are summoned it's basically Gruz Mother.

>>720287272
Not to mention you can heal mid air, with most bosses having attacks that allow for an easy heal once dodged.
Most bosses in HK have about one designed grave period for healing with a few more opportunities you can take if you’re quick enough.
Silksong is incredibly generous with healing.

>>720295790
don't walk around with a pocketful of rosaries, spend them asap and if you have nothing to spend them on you should buy strings at the vendors or at the vending machines

>>720295824
if you're not able to "farm" 4 npcs then yeah I guess the skill check is warranted because you're not gonna be able to complete whatever is coming for you next

>>720295898
Do quests more, dude. I was able to get everything I deemed worth to buy in Act 1.

Give me advice for Groal, I'm stuck on him and want to clear it after I get home from work. Yes, I have the bench shortcut.

>>720295657
Nah, I never lost a single rosary for the first part of the game and I was still finding the economy a chore.

>>720287272
HK healing system was leagues better. Now if I die to a gauntlet and get hit even once on the runback, I either have to farm a whole bar of silk to heal or use the coccoon's silk to heal but then have no more for the fight.

>>720296053
chuck bombs into his mouth when he starts suckin

>>720296027
>don't walk around with a pocketful of rosaries, spend them asap and if you have nothing to spend them on you should buy strings at the vendors or at the vending machines
yeah i know how the mechanic works. it's bad. i don't want to run to the Bank Of Bugs ATM and pay a 20% tax so i can safely explore my metroidvania

>>720295898
Easy to farm once you reach greymoor. Even better at citadel. I start at the 1st chapel and go up/left to farm 2 big guys (4u) for about 70ish rosaries. Takes like 30 secs.

HK was absolute ass with farming in comparison. Only areas were the trials and that abandoned tram in deepnest and both were super slow. SS is a HELL of a lot better for farming.

Getting the game on the weekend.
Does Hornet talk too much in the game?

I remember Team Cherry said Hornet was gonna be a talker in this one and I didn't like the sound of it.

>>720287389
>>720288664
Tools are what you use to speed the final phase up. Using them up in the phase where you’ve got an easy back and forth with the boss is just dumb.

>>720296156
She talks back to NPCs but there's no voice acting

>>720296145
Then play a different game.

>>720296079
>HK healing system was leagues better.
nah it was fucking so bad. I often ended up trying to not use it at all.
At least in SS I use it (because you kinda have to) and it's so much faster.

>>720296220
no i'll just install bepinex and play a better version while encouraging others to do the same until team cherry fixes the rosary economy

>>720295885
But they already work like that?

>>720296260
Why? Seems like a lot of effort to go to, just to promote a game you don't like.

>>720295978
I kinda agree with that anon, it is a little too generous and I end up relying on it far more than healing in HK.
But then enemies do 2 health often. So maybe that's why I need it so often.

>>720296215
Yeah that's what I'm worried about. Does she talk a lot?

>>720296145
it's a 20% tax for safety, I'd rather lose a few rosaries than lose them all
but yeah keep complaining about the economy even though the game gives you the tools to mitigate your loss, you just refuse to engage with it for some reason and prefer complaining about it

>>720295978
Eh. Not always.

>>720295179
That boss fight looks like lol so random bonus battle for speedrun trannies.

>>720296389
There isn't much dialogue in the game so not really

>>720296156
>>720296389
There's an option to make her silent if you don't like it
It's just the usual grunts characters make like Link from Zelda

As for actual dialogue with characters, she talks back a lot to characters. She's the usual "I just want to get to the big baddie and give them a talking" and that's it, or she expresses concern for some characters being too reckless (rightfully so)

>>720296154
Farming in Hollow Knight was completely unnecessary because practically every enemy dropped Geo and you'd easily rack up enough to buy whatever just from exploring. Silksong has entire zones where literally nothing drops Rosaries.

>>720296436
>lol so random bonus battle for speedrun trannies
What does that even fucking mean?

>>720287121 (OP)
Gay false flag thread but its unironically right. Game is 10x better with mods unless you are in some bad need for self esteem.

>>720296389
she talks like once to common vendors, then the npcs do a rant to her
special NPCs she talks more to, though.

>>720288664
I still don't get how people are running out of shards. The shard pendant is one of the first tools you get in the game and the early game showers you with them.

>>720296224
>I often ended up trying to not use it at all.
And that's a good thing! Better to use your mana on damage, healing is for in between fights. Now you have tools for damage so silk skills feel less useful.

>>720296552
>literally admits he has no self esteem
kekypow

>>720287881
>Healing should not even be a thing. it's just souls potion chugging.
I'm old enough to remember that estys flasks were novel because they LIMITED your healing.

>>720287121 (OP)
i have no problem with hard bosses, but damn is traversing and exploring a slog

>>720287121 (OP)
this game looks so fucking boring. style over substance. wow dodge then slash, so deep. makes me think of the indiana jones scene where he takes out the gun and just shoots the guy.

The only way I could understand having enough rosaries without farming in act 1 is if that you died so many times trying to get to a boss that you essentially grinded out enemies on the way while using your death cocoon as a big wallet. I know I constantly felt like I had fucking nothing.

>>720296598
>The shard pendant is one of the first tools you get in the game
I'm convinced that piece of shit doesn't actually do anything, I noticed absolutely no difference in the number of shards I was getting when I had it equipped compared to when I didn't

>>720296602
I just didn't use the mana shit in HK and just relied on pure combat cleanliness.
With SS I over rely on projectiles, but then again that's because late game flying creatures SUCK in this game. So hard to hit without projectiles and you're even told "hey this is for the flying creatures".

>>720293308
>What if the levels were huge and all looked the fucking same?
This. Doesn't get mentioned enough. Game is too hard but even if your someone who builds his identity on videogames you have to admit the level diversity, build diversity, and need for farming makes the game inferior to Hollow Knight.

>>720296135
What bombs?

>>720296659
Exploring is fine.
Going back to bosses is mixed, sometimes it feels necessary, sometimes it just fucking sucks ass and is unnecessary because it's easy and dumb.
I understand the run to Judge from the west is necessary, but why also from the east? The east run is just boring.

>>720295563
Reaper's drawback is having the lowest dps on nail swings. The heavy swings don't do any extra damage and the heavy blow knockback makes it worse at follow-ups.

>>720296859
Nah it's better, but it's got some jank.
Hollow Knight is so fucking slow I've dropped it several times. At least hornet is fast and has an interesting combat moveset.
The problem is that often the game is brutal to compensate for her OP-ness.
HK was just slow for me, that made it harder to continue with than SS.

>>720296606
Try reading again, slower ESL.

>>720296486
>As for actual dialogue with characters, she talks back a lot to characters.
That's a bummer. Can you turn that off in the settings?
I much prefer a silent protag.

>>720296704
that's what I do, except I'm so bad I always lose my huge stack of rosaries during the runback before beating the boss and end up with nothing instead (happened to me several times)
still never had to farm for anything
I think those that complain about rosaries just don't like exploring and consider this game a bossrush and refuse to engage with anything else except going from point A to point Boss

>>720297130
dont think so
I think it's not that egregious, she's not particularly quirky or anything, just the average protagonist trying to do what's right

HK gives you heaps of frames for shit with bosses and movement.
SS is super precise with required inputs. But that's why it's more fun to me.

>>720287121 (OP)
>"ITS ONLY OK WHEN FROMSOFT DOES IT!!!"

>>720297191
If she's not saying anything worth reading...why make the player read it?
I think I'll get this for PC so I can mod stuff like this out.

>>720297089
I feel its the DS2 vs Sekiro debate again. I much prefered the better story, exploration and tactics over the boxed in rythem game. Different strokes for Different folks I guess.

>>720297328
she has some funny interactions with some characters
also at one point she has interesting dialogue, can't tell you what because it's a major spoiler for the story

>>720287121 (OP)
I beat the last judge with the deal double damage / take double damage trinket. It pairs well with the mask that prevents critical damage.

>>720296034
>everything I deemed worth to buy
So you're saying you did all these horrendous MMO-tier fetch quests that make you backtrack even more than necessary for a normal playthrough, AND you still couldn't actually buy everything?

>>720297403
I probably won't read it. DW about it.

>>720297408
How significant is the damage bonus?

>>720297329
>DS2 vs Sekiro debate again
>again
never seen anyone ever compare the two
they're two fundamentally different games

>>720297130
>>720297328
Do you have severe autism or something? Hornet being an actual character is a big selling point of Silksong.

>>720287121 (OP)
Blame Elden Ring, devs know they can shit out terrible games now and their retarded consumers will blindly defend it and say "git gud", you're now witnessing the downfall of literal shit eating in vidya.

>>720297430
The ones I didn't want I didn't buy. I save rosaries for shit like maps, benches,etc, any surplus is for broken shit. And I was doing the quests while exploring upgrade gates dead ends.

>>720287121 (OP)
The game is a massive hit, your tranny discord raid powers are useless here.

>>720297329
>I feel its the DS2 vs Sekiro debate again.
DS2 feels like Dark Souls.
Silksong feels more like Sonic the Hedgehog meets Metroid. Completely different game to me.

Although, sekiro might be a good comparison.

I think Silksong's movement and combat are much better than Hollow Knight's, but unfortunately I think Silksong is the worse game in just about every other way, which is a shame because the new movement would honestly make it pretty hard to go back to the first game.

I think the rosary economy is tuned for a player that explores every dead end and hidden room and doesn't lose their money ever. This is basically me and I was able to buy everything in Act 1 including the shitty 880r healing tool that's not worth using. Didn't do any farming. Took me 18 hours to reach the Citadel though, so this is probably unviable for all you ADHD speedrunners.

>>720297826
I like the platforming, random events, enemy designs better in SS. I view the exploration around the same. Main Characters, Music, Reward output are better in HK, though.

>>720297826
Honestly, I think the bosses, the fetch quests, the map, the lore, etc are honestly worse in HK than SS. HK feels sorta jank all the time. SS actually feels crisp as fuck at times and I never got that with HK. It's just that sometimes that crispness shows some flaws at times. It's minor though.

HK feels boring to explore.
SS feels like a challenge to explore every time and so I'm a lot more invested. And she's just so much faster and manoeuvrable.

>>720297826
Eh, it's mostly just the hold dash to sprint thing being a huge QoL. In HK you're just spamming dash the whole fucking game like a retard.

>>720298047
Yeah, it makes it way easier to sequence break, which is always fun and hells you understand the context of the area you're in better.

>>720297981
Music's been a bit of a disappointment. It started very strong, then it started to have a lot of areas that just don't have a track at all.
But when SS does have tracks, they're better than HK.
Citadel (fucking amazing), Greymoor (also great), Bone Bottom and the docks have a great soundtrack. The other areas are kinda meh.
Phantom fight has an amazing soundtrack that was so dope.

>>720295657
Once you get to the citadel it becomes a non issue

Do the Magnetite Dice increase rosary yield?

>>720295080
>But that's intentionally painful because they're making a statement about money being the religion of our society (literally called rosaries).

>>720293008
>spent almost 10 hours per day playing a videogame
Maybe you should uhh.. git a life

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>>720287209
>>720294175

>>720298236
another good reason they're a bad mechanic that make even less sense in the context of the story.

>>720295270
I didn't have to fight last judge to enter act 2
I went inside the citadel from the right side

>>720298665
ouch. that really hurt you big meanie ;_;
anyways. i haven't played much video games for the past month or maybe even two because i just didn't feel like it. so yes, i'm definitely going to play a game i enjoy as much as i can if i find one. even if i haven't played anything aside from grinding magic the gathering arena's dailies, i still fucking demolished silksong with relative ease. and i'm a fucking boomer too, almost 40 years old. so yeah, git gud.

lmao jesus christ that mudcarver grab is straight up ds2 ogre tier

>>720296053
get the charm that makes you immune to maggots

>>720298523
>noooo money is holy, you cannot slander my precious jew gold
Spoken like a true kike.

>>720295179
this combat looks like dogshit. people play this and enjoy it unironically?

>>720300101
literally every civilization used some sort of I.O.U. currency, yet redditors are like "dude, dude duuuuuude, what if we, like, got rid of money and owning stuff and, like, everything was free and like people would share everything dude that would be like cool and stuff"

>>720300686
>literally every civilization used some sort of I.O.U. currency
Not true at all. Many were barter cultures, mainly nomadic ones that lasted far longer than Jew cultures, that did nothing but pollute the planet and kill people. A useless invention money is.

>>720300686
>literally every civilization used some sort of I.O.U. currency
No, most of them used commodities or rare earths. Fiat is modern devilry.

>>720287272
>6 attacks
9

>>720300935
Fiat is literally a ponzi.

>he is literally me
I have never felt this called out in my life. kek

>>720300686
>>720300878
>>720300935
>>720300996
Cope

>>720300878
>have 10 pelts
>need gallon of milk and dozen eggs
>worth 2 pelts max
>shopkeeper gives me a piece of paper that says he owns me stuff worth 8 pelts
explain how is that jewish
>>720300935
because you need to have 2 trusting parties to have a credit system, that's literally the Phantom Menace scene about where Liam Neeson tried to pay with republic money, which the flying jew didn't accept

>>720299983
Which is where?

>>720301270
>TRUMP
>TRUMP
>TRUMP
dems had 4 years to release the files and kill the possibility of Flumfth's second term and they didn't, which means either he's not a diddler or literally everyone is

>>720296598
???
it's pretty simple
>constantly have full shards
>try to use tools on a boss
>because boss doesn't give any shards, you quickly erode your supply

>>720301782
They tried killing him twice that we know of.

>>720296861
Hidden double ceiling in locked house on top left of greymoore
Need a craft metal.
My favorite tool. <3

>>720297559
Is it? I just want a game to play.
I really don't want her talking.

>>720301270
Case and point - you're looking at a cartel that runs your currency system. Did you forget 2008 and the scandals then?

>>720301782
>literally everyone is
The US defense exploits this shit for OPSEC. All countries do. It's been like this since the crusades. There's a reason why people thought Joan of Arc was a witch.

>emperors would regularly rape their catamites and Romans, despite considering the act a repulsive thing, would have to ignore it because otherwise they lost their head
If only you knew how bad things really are. But I can tell you that you only need to look at history to know how bad they are.

was there any indication on how you're supposed to solve the mists or is it just read reddit

>>720287121 (OP)
Bro you have heals for a reason.

>>720287121 (OP)
All of that is fine, it's fun to fight a difficult boss, but then they should remove runback, that is time I'm not spending fighting the fun boss. That is simply the norm as decreed by all the expert Game DesignersTM.

>>720300935
Exactly, anon. Real value used to come from actual scarcity-gold, silver, livestock, salt, whatever. Fiat is just paper backed by vibes and government threats. Once you break the social trust, it's over. People forget that "faith in the system" is all that props it up, and when that goes, you get Weimar cosplay.

>>720301641
the putrefied ducts

>>720297520
nta but not at all

>>720303778
I went through the entire ducts and didn't find that.

>>720303804
https://youtu.be/EaGJ916LyZo?t=1103

>>720301782
You want me to show this to the cat? And let the cat tell you what it is? Cuz the cats gonna get it

>>720288195
I think this guy is actually retarded. Protosouls? Hahahaha, you fucking spack.

>anons say to use anti-faggot tool
>it sucks and breaks
Well that was a waste of time.

>>720287121 (OP)
>So technically any boss can 3 hit you in the game.
I remember when every video game only gave you 3 HP at MOST and we didn't complain about it.

>>720305168
Actually, this is pretty much up there with many old games I used to play. Might even be harder but also less boring and somehow more engaging despite being kinda cruel. When I fuck up it generally feels like it's a skill issue and not the game.

It's not Lion King SNES.

>>720305168
Fucking.
Super Mario Galaxy any boss can 3 hit you.

>enemies do 2 damage
>heal does 3 damagen't
I know you guys are better than this?

>>720305990
SM64 is a bit like that too.
Never really thought about it because it's kinda easy to avoid shit in.

>>720287121 (OP)
Objective:
hit the boss with your nail many times.
the boss staggers and you can heal.
repeat until you win!

Process for achieving the objective:
find boss
die to boss while learning patterns better.
spawn to bench. walk back.
if you learned enough, you win! otherwise repeat.

It's kind of braindead honestly. HK at least allowed you to experiment woth charms and gave you nifty rewards for beating bosses.

>>720294146
>muh streamers do this and that!
kys

>>720298665
Spending one second on /v/ is a trillion times worse than playing a video game for any amount of time.

>HK
>you take normal damage through most of the game, so when something hits you for 2 masks you feel that it was a hard hit with that weighty sound effect and you can also understand that it was a strong hit from someone with a big weapon or who's very strong
>healing just feels like normal souls potion stuff but using mana
>SS
>literally everything that's any bigger than Hornet deals 2 damage and everything that's smaller attacks twice quickly so she also takes 2 damage, to the point where it doesn't feel special at all
>healing takes forever so getting 3 masks back never feels like much, also if you get hit you also lose all silk
It's just kinda funny. Like as if they thought people were facetanking too much on the first game so they overcorrected it.

>Get captured by a Slab guy in Greymoor
>Can't break out of the cage despite having needle and skill used
>Hornet with no weapons and skills can break out later with ease

Genuinely terrible. At least have it be that as soon as you're caged you're disarmed and have no silk.

>>720287121 (OP)
>switch from the default crest to wanderer crest
>go through act 1 like a chainsaw
>after starting act 2 go find double jump
>go through the rest of the game like a flying chainsaw
it's nowhere near as difficult as people say once you get going

>>720287121 (OP)
Honestly they should have just started you at 6 masks so that the first one feels impactful. Probably would have shut up a lot of the complainers

>>720307268
>Healing takes forever
It's 2 seconds and you can heal mid air saying in place. It's literally a free heal, almost doesn't matter what the boss is doing you can even use it to dodge attacks.

>>720307503
They should've just added an easy mode for losers, or charitably, for people who want an easier time acclimating to the movesets. It is annoying sometimes trying to learn them when you can get pulverized so fast.

>>720307470
>after starting act 2 go find double jump
Alright fuck it, I'm just gonna spoil myself. Where the hell is it?
I'm knee-deep in Act 2 and can clearly tell from the level design that I'm supposed to have a double jump by now, but I'm dumbfounded as to where it might be.

>just beat Verdania
Lol why'd Hornet do that. Man just wanted to grieve a little and gets fucking soul obliterated.
It was a cool area, fun boss, but there was literally no reason to do that. I didn't know it'd kill him. Just "fuck you, gimme yo heart".

Hornet otherwise spends the entire time helping people. Feel like Prince should've already been dead when she arrives.

>>720307834
Go east of blasted sands

>>720307834
Get Slab'd and grapple your way through the mountain next to it.

>>720307834
Mountain area

>>720307623
Yeah now try finding 2 seconds of peace to heal during a bunch of bosses, also if you get hit while trying to heal you're fucked.

It's a bit much for the early game, but it's also not twice as hard. Healing is easier in Silksong. You can avoid one boss attack and heal 3 HP no problem and do it in the air for the same amount of time you needed to do it on the ground for 1 HP in the original. The fact that you can't start healing without more silk/soul in Silksong is irrelevant, it was rarely about how much mana you needed, it was trying to find an opening to actually heal. And it's just way easier in Silksong.

>>720307991
>>720307978
>>720307912
The Ice environment? Jesus fuck, I noped outta there the moment I took damage because my Metroidvania senses told me that I should get an upgrade to traverse it.
And I already went to the Slab but can't find a map but I feel like I already explored everything. Well, I'll keep trying, thanks anons.

>>720287121 (OP)
I started act 3 and I just felt so sick of the game, I'll wait for good 100% speedruns to come out to watch the rest of the content I missed.
This shit made me so nostalgic for Hollow Knight, I started a new playthrough and it's so much more fun and chill. Granted I've played it a bunch of times and completed most hitless pantheon fights so it's a comfort game now

>>720308059
Let's compare
>Hollow Knight
>Boss charges at you
>You jump and dash
>If you land and heal, there is a good chance the boss is already doing something else and gets your ass, potentially even doing 2 masks over your 1 mask heal depending on the attack

>Silksong
>Boss charges at you
>You jump and bind
>Your entire heal happens when the boss is charging below you so you are safe the entire time
>Full 3 masks, or even 4 with the upgrade

As long as you can hit the boss 5 times per hit you will out-heal it with the charm, and this doesn't take into account the buffer you have in masks and silk starting the fight.

>>720292146
Depends on the tool and the situation. I use the flintstone dagger to boost my needle damage and the lifeblood syringe for emergency healing, but otherwise I'm a swordfag and prefer to just slash the boss to death.

>>720287209
Bosses are fine. It's the runback that is bullshit.

>>720303220
When you first enter the Mist's "lobby" the lanternflies will fly away from you towards the first exit. That's your clue. So then you find more lanternflies and "interact" with them via the Needolin, then follow them from there.

>>720307268
>guy tanks damage better than the girl
what's the issue?

>>720287121 (OP)
Ive been 1ccing shmups since early 2025 as I got back into them. Im gonna own this shit. Youd think all of /v/ plays only Elmos letter adventure with how much theyre crying

>>720309257
>manlet tanks damage better than battle veteran

>>720287121 (OP)
>it's alright when souls games do it

>>720287890
>horizontal attack
>vertical attack
>spawns an add that dies in 3 hits once in a while

Is this really the boss people are crying about?

>>720297078
>Described by the game as a nail style based on strong, wide swings.
>Actually has the lowest dps and actively minimizes opportunities to deal damage
Is this what the Aussies call bants?

>>720308842
>Silksong
>Boss charges at you
>You jump and bind
>The flying adds hit you for 2 masks
ftfy

>>720309409
he's stocky.

>>720309241
NTA but I got there before needolin and it's just confusing as hell when you don't even know that item exists. It looks like you're supposed to just go where the fireflies are about. Then you get desperate and think it's supposed to be the trio of fireflies instead of the duo.
If I had the needolin or even knew about the item I would have tried that first, but I had no idea. I purposely avoid footage of metroidvanias so they don't spoil shit in case it was in promos.
I think it's a case where they should just hard lock you out of the area unless you have it, put a needolin door in front of it.

>>720288145
>git gud
>first thing player does it hit their death cocoon.

>>720309584
Making every crest deal the same damage was pretty dumb.

>>720297520
Feels roughly like 25-30%.

>enemies do 2 damage
>heal does 3 damagen't
>get +1 hp
>repeat for a while
>have +50 and a half A press poolbar
>be a complete damagesponge and unga bunga the boss
simple

>>720309540
It's the variable startup that's fucking everyone up. You can even that issue in the clip with those last two attacks.
The guy realizes that the charge startup is quicker than he thinks, so for the next charge he jumps out of the way (albeit a tad early) and even tries to course-correct with a pogo but the boss simply has a longer startup now out of nowhere and punishes your jump with extreme tracking.
It's a boss designed to trip you up if you play "correctly" and try to adapt. The moment you know his startup patterns you pretty much cannot be hit, which is something Team Cherry LOVES to do.

>>720309632
I don't think a hardlock would've been necessary. Those are reserved for Weaver things, so when I first got there and realized I was looping I figured I didn't have the item required and left to go explore other places. I came back later with the item I figured would work and sure enough it did.

The solution to beastfly is just coming back later after two nail upgrades. Nothing about his location implies that he's required to progress.

>>720309992
Hes really not that bad

18 hours in and my only complaint is that accidentally touching the bosses while they are stunned still knocks two pips off your hp, it just feels like shit.

>>720310128
I get why contact damage still does 2 HP because it could be abused, get hit on purpose before getting hit by the 2 HP attack. But they should definitely do 1 HP or no damage when stunned.

>>720309409
>Manlet
True, but let's be real mate.
The Knight is a fucking monstrosity.
Canonically.
He's not even a real bug.
He traces his heritage back to a fucking god and literal primeval nothingness.

>>720309102
Sorry to hear you suck

>>720287272
probably because the previous game gave you 6 health, had 1 damage bosses, and you could STILL heal 3 HP.

>>720287272
You don't need a full container to heal in the first game.

How many people played Silksong without playing Hollow Knight expected something different I wonder? When I first played HK when it released, I kind of expected it to be challenging, but not taking 30 attempts on Soul Master. Now I replay HK and I beat Soul Master first try even after years of not touching the game, it's like riding a bike once you know what kind of game it is. Moorwing in Silksong is kind of a similar boss that took me several tries, but some people on the internet are calling him downright impossible. I really think the "HK is a tutorial to Silksong" might be true.

>Exploring the Deep Docks because I'm running out of locations left unvisited and getting somewhat frustrated I haven't found double jump yet
>This place is a nightmare, there's nuke-throwing enemies everywhere
>Get to the boss, it's the blowjob brothers
>They both hurt like fucking hell
>Stack damage and split one in half, then methodically ruin the other one
>Prize is a giant locked diving bell
Cool, but not what I wanted. I figure it's in the mountain area since that's where the old butler bug said the crustnut is, but I have no fucking idea how to get there.

>>720287516
shards aren't an outright bad system, the problem is just how they're tuned. tools cost too many shards to repair, so your 700 shards get used up really fast if you're stuck. that's only enough for like 7 boss fights if you are going hard on the tools. especially since bosses and the enemies with them don't even drop replacement shards, so the whole time you aren't getting passive income like you do at every other point in the game.

>>720310839
This is true, but the good still outweighs the bad. Just healing that much in the same amount of time and in the air makes it way better. Less time and potential danger was spent on trying to heal, even if the time before you can start healing at all takes longer.

>>720297520
if an enemy takes 5 hits to kill without the barbed wire ring, it will STILL take 5 hits to kill with the ring. the thing is worthless.

>>720310907
I pogo bounced on Moorwings head and used the spiky silk trap tool you buy from the fat forge bug and murderized it.
These bosses would be hard in HK but you can heal in mid air as Horner. I heal while the boss wastes an attack. Its so forgiving.

>>720298325
no, they have a chance to negate incoming damage.

>>720310907
I think a lot of people in general don't really understand how to learn at these kind of things. They think they just have to white knuckle their controllers and "git gud" instead of slowing down and focusing on learning how you deal with the patterns, one bit at a time. That happens passively too of course as they keep trying, but if you actively understand that it's the kind of game that necessitates "progging" the fights and putting reps in to work on each part of them, you'll get the fights down so much quicker.

>>720287121 (OP)
this game was made for trannies to validate their self-worth.

nobody cares about your cheevo lists.
YWNBAW

>>720311360
It's really more of a slow and methodical thing way more than fast reaction times. I'm better at video games at 35 than I was when I was a teenager ironically I think just because I stop and think more. I don't think teenage me could ever beat this game, I would have just dropped it.

>>720311604
Yeah it's funny you say that cause I bounced off the original Hollow Knight when it came out. Over the years I cultivated the idea of paying attention to how you learn at games, getting in to fighting games helped a lot with it and then Nine Sols blew the doors off for me. I really enjoyed having felt like I totally mastered the combat of the game by the time I finished it, rather than getting lucky flailing around like a spaz. I don't think I'd be enjoying Silksong if I hadn't played that first, and now I'm worrying that Silksong will spoil me to the point that it won't be all that fun to go back and take another crack at HK.

>>720304386
I don't care about some gay birthday card, I want list of people who went to rape island, with proofs and list of those who were taped for Mossad to blackmail
pussyfooting around it, random baseless accusations that [guy I don't like] totally went there and photos from social events 20 years ago only diverts attention from the big picture
again, if it was only Trump and maybe few nobodies, it would be released before elections 1000%

Sex with Hornet.

>>720310128
I like that because it makes you respect the boss instead of just "oops tee hee, i got too close". IDK, that's what I disliked about HK too, it was too easy to not give a shit about touching the enemy and rushing the boss.

>>720309409
>child of two gods hopped up on void juice tanks better than half-god explicitly in a weakened state
what's the issue?

>>720298805
the whole point is for the game to let you be free in act 2 after a mostly linear act 1 teaching you the game's mechanics

>>720296341
Yeah, that's the point. You have less health and can heal more often. Rather than HK, which is an attrition war where you try to stay topped up, Silksong is a game where you can go from "it's so over" to "we're so back" in an instant. One additional hit to let you pop a heal and suddenly you go from one mask til death to one mask from full. The tide turns quickly, and it forces you to manage your healing tactically.

The combat balance feels way, way better in Silksong than in HK. The issue is you have to break the mental model of it being like Hollow Knight and instead understand it as a game where aggression = safety.

>>720313660
>a mostly linear act 1

>Hmmm, I wonder why there's these two dumb useless fucking enemies in the caves of Mount Fay that serves zero purpose besides hitting you once because they take the entirety of the cave in height
>get to liquid lacquer delivery later
Oh that's why.

>>720287121 (OP)
>And they are all super hard-
lmao stopped reading here, this game is easy as fuck. Get filtered shitter

>>720301782
It's the latter, btw. Dems don't actually want the files released, because that would expose them and their donors just as much as the GOP and theirs. But they'll use it as a political football in the meantime and if dems manage to win in 2028 they won't do shit and then republicans can bark at them for it.
Nothing shy of a Snowden-level leak would get the actual files out.

>>720287121 (OP)
Filtered

>>720310907
I think it's a gay ass larp for anyone to pretend like a boss in this game was "easy", I think we all got stuck at every boss at least for a little while, that's how it's supposed to go.

That said, I don't know why Moorwing in particular catches so much shit. Neither the fight nor the runback are memorably awful. It's still a pretty hard boss, but it's not fucking Trobbio or the Bilewater runback.

>>720316340
there are quite a few easy bosses in the game. fourth chorus, cogwork dancers, crust king khann, etc. (though that last one is probably intentionally easy compared to his area)

>>720313660
You guys acting like Act 1 is a tutorial is the most retarded defense of the game I've seen. Its a 2D platformer, the new mechanics dont warrant a 6 hours tutorial lmao.

>>720294847
You are fucking retarded kys

>>720287121 (OP)
it's the dark souls 2 of symphony of the night genre

>>720316572
Agreed, but even though I'd call Cogwork Dancers "easy" I still died like 3-4 times while learning their moves and each phase. It's nothing on the 30+ I had to do against Raging Conchfly, Savage Beastfly or Last Judge, but it would also be dishonest to act like they were King Bob-Omb tier. "Easy" is a relative term and Silksong is a hard game. It's supposed to be a hard game. You're supposed to die a lot.

There is simply NO WAY they worked 7 years on this. 2-3 at most.

>>720287121 (OP)
>all super hard
some of them are hard but they have telegraphed attacks. some are hard to discern and you have very little time to act but mostly they are something you can learn as long as you are willing to be a bit patient instead of overly aggressive. all i have fought have had good openings but many fights require you to learn them first
i'd say it is fair even if they deal 2 damage. you just need to pay attention and figure them out and then they aren't too bad (except for all those fights with adds. fuck those and the rng)

>>720295076
>I won't rest until everyone else realizes this game is shit.
And so another obsessive schizo is born. Nature is beautiful.

the only thing i dislike is getting hit twice if you get hit by an attack with multiple hits. i mean, sure, it makes sense. there would be no difference between a flurry of strikes and a single strike if it didn't hit multiple times but sometimes it feels a bit cheap

lmao charlie kirk just fucking DIED

>>720287890
Where do you get the Boomerang?

>>720309102
The only particularly awful runback is Groag
Every other one is fine

>>720318876
and the reason it can feel cheap is that once you get hit by one attack you are unlikely to be able to avoid the next ones and are just stuck there, getting hit a second time. if you could dodge away after getting hit by the first strike of the hit chain then it would be fine. now you just get hit once and you are almost guaranteed to get hit a second time

>>720318959
the ant hell (hill)

>>720318959
if you end up fighting beastfly in act 1 then you aren't too far away

>>720319116
I'm in Act 2 lmao

>>720319213
then go back damn it. actually explore the areas and rooms that seem pointless

>>720318320
they felt king bob-omb tier to me, i killed them in one go.
honestly felt a bit sad about it, they were one of the coolest fights in the game and i wish they weren't over so quick.
most bosses are nowhere near that easy, but still.

>>720287389
Maybe if you learned the boss's moveset you wouldn't need to use so much of your tools.

>>720319332
I have 7 Masks and I haven't even been down to Whitehaven yet, my exploratory skills mog yours which is why I'm so surprised a tool slipped by my sleuthing.

>>720295126
>How Can I get this?
Secret merchant in Hunter's March. Mask costs something like 240 praynal beads.

>>720287389
never actually run entirely out but i get it
shard pendant helps a lot but boss runs can be tedious if you fight everything and if you don't, you run out of shards eventually
perhaps buying those shard bundles instead of making bead strings might be worth it

>>720319557
>praynal beads
kek

>when the two coral fatasses spawn in the gauntlet
NOOOO THIS IS HIGH HALL ALL OVER AGAIN YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME

I don't know if I'm autistic but Hornet's 45º downward slash has been so much easier to hit than pogos or any of the other variations for me, and it makes short work of dashing enemies.

>>720294371
the silk recharge doesn't really matter because it's actually pretty slow after the first pip (unless you have the charm)
it only matters for bosses with long periods before you can safely hit them

>>720319930
It's straight up better for combat.
Platforming, I don't know, wouldn't want to get to Nameless Town with it. Wouldn't be that impressive to. Beast Crest pogoing up there, now that's a webm for someone motivated to make.

>>720287121 (OP)
Just wait till you reach Act 3 rofl
>>720319930
Good for you, I'm stuck using the one moveset that can pogo straight down (and attacks faster)

>>720319442
If you were actually learning the bosses movesets then you would be using tools too

>>720319803
those ones are a lot easier compared to the high hall hammers

>>720287209
>two words
>every shitter starts coping that they're "not actually shit"

>>720309102
There's like two bosses in this entire game with a significant runback

>>720319930
I havent had much luck with it when a lot of enemies just attack above and slightly forward right when I do the downward slash.

he is scared of 2 damage hits!!!! lmao!!!

>>720320052
i'd say that for platforming and many standard enemies wanderer and reaper pogo are better since you can easily repeatedly attack them but for bosses hunter is good when you have an opening to only attack once.
reaper is slower than wanderer but reaches further (so a tiny bit better pogo but slower cooldown) so i have started using it for platforming instead of wanderer.

So do any of the combat styles do more or less damage than others?
Also what the fuck is the deal with the "target room" in the farfields?

>>720318962
Any runback is bad. Dashing through empty hallways and jumping over some spikes isn't a test of skill, it's just a waste of time.

>>720320394
haven't actually seen any difference in the damage between crests, just reach and attack speed. i think the damage stays the same but it is hard to tell with upgrades and only being able to tell if it takes 3 or 4 or more hits to kill something

>>720320408
Most runbacks in this game have obstacles other than spikes

>>720320245
Hollow kniggers will close their eyes before any shit design.

>>720320542
Provide more than 2 examples then

>>720320394
Every single style has the same base damage. Hunter+ gets a damage bonus for hitting an enemy 5 times without getting hit, architect's attacks are all multihit but I believe they average out to the same damage. Witch's pogo is also multihit but I'm fairly sure it still adds up to the same base damage. Didn't get shaman in my playthrough so I couldn't test that one.

>it's another paid bench episode
>there aren't even any pilgrim enemies around
>I have to backtrack to another location, grind pilgrims there and backtrack again
This game is annoying as fuck

>>720320408
me immediately clocking in the best way to runback to judge without referring to a video/guide felt great
other than that though, i agree.

>>720320582
Extremely lame, but I now feel better about sticking to Wanderer the entire game
Not sure why one wouldn't

Whats the best set up to make Hornet fight in a fencing style like Lace ?

>>720321347
Wanderer + parry silk skill

>>720321347
use dash attacks with hunter crest
then pogo of an enemy and retreat

>>720321418
Are there any tools or skills that give her a strafing move ?

>>720321517
do you mean like walking backwards? there's the scuttlebrace later.

>>720320806
Me currently at Mount Fay.
Are they fucking serious? After that dogshit platforming challenge?

>>720320968
Wanderer is nice but I want to make hunter feel more useful in this game.

THIS GAME IS COCK AND BALL TORTURE
5000 HP BOSSES
YOU LOSE IN 2 HITS

>>720322474
They're pretty squishy, IMO. You're definitely hitting bosses like 40 times, not 400.

>>720322374
Are you past that lake section ? Cause thats the biggest hurdle.

>>720287121 (OP)
act 3 is filtering me hard, I hate the VOIDED enemies, and I beat nightmare king grimm in HK

Which areas do you people think will be used for future DLCs ?

lol
lmao

>>720322474
Try not getting hit lol
P.S. hitting the enemy allows you to heal

>>720322536
Ya, those leaps of faith they demanded were grueling. No shortcut either?
Since there are no enemies around, I can't get my well-deserved bench. 90 rosaries? Get outta here.
Just gonna keep progressing until I die, then turn off the game.

>>720322791
>Just gonna keep progressing until I die, then turn off the game.
I was in the same situation
Instead I kept progressing, died, went back and progressed again until I unlocked the best upgrade in the game

>>720287121 (OP)
>>720287209
Silksong is far more fun than Hollow Knight 1. Hollow Knight was the game that was primarily concerned with difficulty above all else, going by their interviews

>William: Yeah, when we started development one of the decisions we made was that kind of really straight terrain. The player character would move in a way that’s kind of like digital, Like Mega Man or something, where he hasn’t really got acceleration or deceleration. The movement is really snappy and the terrain helped make that quick movement super readable. It allowed us to demand much more from a player, in terms of what we’re asking them to do in battles, their reaction times and stuff.

They deliberately made the game boring on purpose for the sake of difficulty, but guess what? The bosses and enemies in the first weren't that challenging or interesting at all.

Silksong is like the best of both worlds. It allows the player to get creative, do more with the mechanics, and it also manages to be challenging.

Hollow Knight 1 was a fucking boring game.

>>720320806
>>720322374
Do you not always carry some big necklaces with you?

>>720323172
Always spending them because everything is so expensive. I already pass on most upgrades and tools because I don't have the cash.
I even brought a Rosary necklace with me to the mountain but used it for the map, naturally.

>what if we did the rule of 3 except you're the one on a timer, chump
Get fucked

>>720323008
>Silksong is far more fun than Hollow Knight 1. Hollow Knight was the game that was primarily concerned with difficulty above all else, going by their interviews
once you hit act 3 you will change your tune

>>720287121 (OP)
>7 year wait for a pinnacle game during Act 2 and normies / shitters getting filtered / btfo in the prologue Act
Team Cherry is unfathomably based. Git gud or quit.

>Find a broken tool in the middle of the hellscape that is bilewater after finding a secret in the bottom right of that dogshit place
>Go back all the way to that one merchant in the citadel that's tinkering with shit
>She offers to fix it up for a bunch of rosaries AND a fucking fine metal which is rare as shit
>It ends up being a dogshit tool that uses silk, fired 3 projectiles, if ALL 3 hit it deals the same damage as one normal nail hit
What is this dogshit balancing? the shit I got in act 1 is still WAY better than the stuff I'm getting in act 2

>>720324773
Go do sands of Karan you get a good tool there

>>720324879
Where's that? I'm still stuck in bilewater, I haven't finished this shitty ass place yet but I already have the double jump and harpoon so I can go anywhere I think

>>720322860
Well, I took your advice and while I got it, I have to stress that it was really really REALLY unfun. Genuinely no enjoyment has been felt and I had fun with Path of Pain.

>>720325275
This game has a LOT more areas and enemies that are just a blatant "go fuck yourself" along with side quests everywhere that echo the same statement, there are parts where its fun like Greymoor, certain parts of the Citadel and even Shellwood to an extent but what the fuck were they thinking with Hunter's march, Bilewater and some of these other dogshit ares like mount fay where the runback to anything just makes you want to turn off the game from how frustrating it is

>>720325275
Really? I loved Mount Fay, that hectic speed and rapid-fire grappling was so much more fun for me than the hyper precision of White Palace/Path of Pain.

>>720325578
Namless Town ascent too. Though less fun because you're so tempted to just grind health off those caterpillars rather than just dying and running back even though that's infinitely faster.

>>720325578
In my opinion, rushing the player with DoT while also demanding precise platforming over a death pit is a forbidden combo that shouldn't be in any game.
Since I don't know how quick I have to be to reach the next safe zone, I'm forced to lunge headfirst into unknown jumps with no clear path.
Some of these grapple points are even off-screen so you just have to infer where they want you to go. Hesitate for a second because you want to assess the situation? Do it all over again.
When it comes to platforming challenges, I want many checkpoints and quick retry. Everything else is just bloat.

>>720326005
I wouldn't call it precise, you get a solid 10 degree window on Hornet landing the grapple, and your vertical movement is so limited that lunging horizontally felt pretty intuitive.

I get it, but I just preferred it so much more to White Palace platforming, where you are dancing within like a 5-10 pixel margin on those sawblade skips or timing puzzles and it definitely sets you back about the same amount on total death.
Much prefer moderate precise with high momentum and pressure to high precision with low momentum. Maybe a taste thing.

Looks interesting I will now pirate your game

>>720287121 (OP)
I can't help but think that the frustration actually comes from the backtracking. I don't mind hard bosses if I can retry instantly, which I do thanks to a teleport mod, but back in HK it was just a motivation killer.

cool fun fact:
did you know that you take zero damage if you dont get hit?

i beat the game already. its pretty bullshit but at least you can toss the bullshit right back at them as a toolmancer.

>>720325275
didnt really feel that rough to me since it didnt really change my strategy of climbing. the timer is just means you have to do one good run from the last heat spot. whats bullshit is the hidden bench near the final stretch.

>>720328741
... hidden ... bench ...?

i'm glad i 100% the game before the incoming nerfs
the first patch that's in beta right now already coming with some nerfs to some easy as fuck bosses isn't particularly promising for the future of this game

>>720328867
along the way, theres a wall with wierd balls in it. hit that for a rest spot. its right as you start to take damage along the climb, aka you technically can do the run without taking a pip of cold damage.

>>720329024
I think nerfing specific bosses is a bad idea. I would have just added an early charm which disables double damage but reduces healing.

>>720329024
just add a journalist mode.

First patch looks good, gonna need about 10 more at least before its playable.

Was HK this unplayable on release too? I played it years later and its looking like that would have been the smart move to do that here too. Silly me for assuming team cherry learned anything, when do devs EVER do that? Why would these clowns be any different? I should have known better.

Not reading this thread, you guys are dogshit at video games, silk song rules

>>720329038
Oh my god, I didn't want to do any exploration seeing as I'M FUCKING DYING and being rushed in general. Do they really think I stop and smell the roses?
That is so unnecessary. Just give me the bench, there is NOTHING to gain from hiding it, I clearly earned it.

>First bench locked
>second bench hidden
I really started from the bottom for EVERY try, it sucked so much.

>bilewater hidden bench
This shit can be more painful than missing the hidden bonfire in DS1 catacombs. Im glad i found it

>>720329661
What you just described is artificial difficulty, which this game is full of. Team Cherry spent 7 fucking years on this and its their 2nd game. They knew what they were doing. They knew it was bullshit. But they did it anyway to pad the game.

That is bad game design.

>>720329661
thats probably the idea, people are already panicked by the cold damage so they rush past it. its a really mean one. i missed it on the first run and only found it the second run when wallfucking muscle memory kicked in.

>>720329661
>I clearly earned it.
You obviously didn't if you never found it.

>>720320408
If you aren't dogshit at video games then the runbacks are a non-issue, so nice self-report.

can't believe /v/ is this now

we used to be pissed off how a game got EASIER in a sequel, not harder

It takes a special kind of bullshitter to say this game is fair. I liked DS2 and even this is too much unfun bullshit for me

>>720302631
ACfag post.

>>720307904
>Enter a man's memories
>Tell him there was nothing he could do to stop what happened to his kingdom
>He chimps out and tries to kill you
Hornet did nothing wrong.

>>720309669
>player gits gud and wins the fight instead of crying about it on /v/
>"nah he's not gud"

>>720330112
Reddit and 4chan traded places. If you want the typical "git gud" spam at every little bit of very valid criticism then your new home is on Reddit.

>>720287121 (OP)
Get good. Finished the game today for the speedrun achievement with only the 2 nail upgrades. Pretty much every boss is hard but fair, even final boss at 5 masks if you are good at videogames.

I also go online to lie. Very fair game. Git gud

>>720310839
In endgame you can spam heal and go from 2 masks to full easily. Healing is better than jn HK after the first 10 hours.

People who say rosaries aren't an issue late game are full of fucking shit

There are like dozens of items and quests that cost 300+ rosaries each, and the normal enemies only drop like 15 to 20 rosaries. Even strong enemies only drop like 50. There are also many entire zones where NONE of the enemies drop a single rosary, and you're only going to get like 200 rosaries after doing the entire zone from a treasure chest or strings.

The math just doesn't add up. You have to kill like a thousand enemies to afford everything, it's insane. I'd be interested in seeing someone actually tally up the total amount of rosaries it costs to buy everything in the game + all the sidequests that randomly have a part where you need to pay for something + other fees vs how much available static rosary loot drops are in the game, I feel like the difference is upwards of the tens of thousands

>>720330808
If you run around the Choral Chambers, you can easily net hundreds of praynal beads since the enemy movesets are all things you've seen before.

Its full of bad game design. Thus it is a bad game. If you felt the need to complete it then good for you but you ruined your 1st experience with it and youll never get that back.

Theres already nerfs coming and there will be many more on the way. HK got lots of balance updates too. Id rather wait.

>>720330808
>solves your rosary problem

>>720330978
Yes, HUNDREDS of prayer beads. The problems is that you need TENS OF THOUSANDS to buy everything.

>>720330808
wait till you get to act 3 and the enemies randomly gain 2x health for no increase in rosaries just to add more annoyance to your farming

>>720331271
How does that solve anything? That doesn't create more rosaries in the world for you to collect

>>720331430
If you just run around and kill enemies you see in each new room, they add up. Just exploring the citadel will leave your pockets stuffed with them. This is the most non-issue issue I've seen people push.

>>720331271
it doesnt solve it, it just puts you at the baseline.

>>720330808
The pathway with the giant sword enemies from the first shrine nets you 250 beads per run with the money tool. Money isn't an issue whatsoever in act 2.

>>720331394
You don't need to buy everything immediately. Buy what you can then come back later.

>>720296079
>die to a gauntlet
Lmao

>>720300878
>A useless invention money is.
You are not entitled to another’s labour

i'm close to the 100% and my gripes are
1. resource gathering is worse than HK by a landslide. items should be reset by the bench, with fewer uses, and shards shouldn't exist. it's not hard or interesting to have to go to an entire other area to grind out 200 rosary beads after you've lost them all while getting to the bellway/bench for a new location, and because reasons no enemies in the zone drops beads.
2. bilewater is truly ass, what the fuck were they thinking. it's so bad i'd put the game at a 7 or 8 just for it.
3. health and damage upgrades are massively backloaded.

however:
the late game bosses have really been making up for the latter stuff in Act 2 that was just not fun or interesting.

>>720332393
Practically everyone who has completed the game is saying that not only act 1, but act 2 is also a big stinker. That is literally 66% of the game being trash and people are lying to themselves saying it's good? Lmao anything to feel some semblance of pride i guess

>>720332917
Nobody said that. Act 1 is kino.

>>720333042
>continues lying
Yeah the whole game is. I beat it in under 8 hours and first tried every boss in gauntlet.

>>720332917
You're inventing people in your head again.

>>720287389
Fuck off. Candle hearts are a staple.

>>720289605
Final phase you can just stand in the right corner and get free hits. Bells don’t even go near you.

>>720287121 (OP)
>"Hey this game is hard and for people who like a challenge. Don't play it if you don't want to play a hard game that will challenge you."
>Play game
>Hard and challenging
>WTF WHY IS THIS SO HARD

The gauntlet in High Halls was a nasty piece of work. That's taken me the longest to beat so far by a good hour

>>720294618
Greymoor halfway house has a bench next to 39 rosaries worth of pilgrims immediately before the Bellway. Kys.

>>720295002
https://youtu.be/wz1ca1-_-MY

POGO POGO POGO

>>720333042
Act 1 is only kino if your bar for kino is "has cool art and confusing level design for the sake of it." The pacing is trash, upgrades are drip-fed like it's rationed soup, and half the NPCs speak in riddles so vague you'd think they were written by an AI trained on church hymnals. If that's your definition of kino, then yeah, sure, it's kino.

They took on too much feedback from speedrunners and steel soul tards unfortunately

Hey uh, where are the fucking benches

>>720287121 (OP)
It's a bit ridiculous Hornet effect has 3 HP the whole game.

Beat it in 3 hours, ez game

Problem I have with these games is that a lot of times it feels like you're battling the controller.

Is there really no shortcut?

>>720288145
>>720287890
>keep reading this is the hardest boss ever
>is just learn to bait the boss
How the FUCK is /v/ that bad at games?

>>720337679
>Get skull charm
>It's effectively a better HP upgrade than any of the actual HP upgrades are

>>720287121 (OP)
Just don't get hit nerd. Gen alpha is the worst.