Thread 720288176

When did you realize that Blizzard passed the point of no return?

>>720288176 (OP)
2003

>>720288176 (OP)
Opening of the WoW service/cosmetics shop.

Diablo 3 in general with the RMAH was a big red flag, too.

>>720288176 (OP)
i tried to ignore it for the longest time, but there was no denying it after wotlk.

>>720288176 (OP)
D2/WC3, true og knows

>>720288176 (OP)
Point of no return, BFA
The mtx on a b2p game with a sub was lolmao, and every expansion from Cataclysm to Draenor was varying degrees of dogshit with Legion being the inbetween exception, D3 was fucking garbage, SC2 expansions were fucking garbage and the only decent game they had made in 20 years, HOTS, they abandoned because it didn't bring a gorillion dollars per month
BUT, BFA cemented they couldn't even continue with WoW anymore

2020 when game director Ion Hazzikostas endorsed BLM on a livestream.

>>720288176 (OP)
It happened mid way through vanilla WoW but TBC sealed the deal. My understanding is, Activision took over and fired the OG WoW team that worked on it for 5 years. WoW's success was built off Azeroth and the expansions where just low effort cash ins.

>>720288176 (OP)
Warcraft 3
Writing was on the par with marvel worst movies, and it killed rts genre by introducing "lol just run hero + 6 units" gameplay

>>720288176 (OP)
Cash shop in WoW and real money trading in the top-down WoW spinoff (the actual Diablo 3 was canceled). But hand over heart, when I saw the first embarrassing cinematic trailer of Underbitch I knew that I had no longer any interest in following the company in any manner

>>720288176 (OP)
Getting emotionally attached to a corporation is retarded. Play the games if they are fun and you like them. Don't play them otherwise.
>>720288562
>The mtx on a b2p game with a sub was lolmao
Literally the standard since at least Ultima Online in 1997.

>>720288510
>after wotlk.
>THERE MUST BE ALWAYS THE LICH KING IS PERFECTLY FINE I SWEAR
No, you will never belong here
>>720288645
>OG WoW team that worked on it for 5 years
OG wow team literally returned after BC for cata, and then for wod(but wod was kileld and team atually fired few months before it even launched)

>>720288604
Holy shit did this really happen

>>720288176 (OP)
When they turn Alexstrasza into Fatlexstrasza. In HotS. Perhaps it was before then, but that's the earliest thing I can remember hating; them doing the whole body-positivity thing.

>>720288176 (OP)
When they released Burning Crusade.

>>720288176 (OP)
The writings on the wall had been there for decades, but the point of no return is when they sold Starcraft 2 races separately at full price.

>>720288645
>>720288953
100% this. Fuck TBC

>>720288981
>at full price.
All races were aviable in base game
All new campaigns were longer than entire tft, which was sold at full price too

>>720288176 (OP)
when activision took over.

>>720288562
Legion and BFA were functionally the same you retarded zoomer
try thinking for yourself instead of getting your opinions from streamers

killing korean sc2 when they forced the organizers to switch from bw to sc2 via lawsuit, making korean public hate sc2.

that shit was so silly.

>>720288764
Yep:
https://www.youtube.com/live/4RR-OSDI-GA?feature=shared&t=4708

1:18:28
1:18:47

Ion - a jew - has a long history of hating White Men.

>>720288176 (OP)
I quit during Cataclysm. Some Cata raids were great but just jumping from WOTLK to Cata and seeing inflated numbers on gear and inflated damage did it for me.

>>720289191
At least we still get Korea time threads. (I never liked SC2 anyway)

>>720288393
I think D3 RMAH was my point also.

>>720289309
>and seeing inflated numbers on gear and inflated damage did it for me.
But massive infaltion in wotlk was okay?

>>720289272
he hates black people though
https://clips.twitch.tv/FineKindFungusVoteYea

>>720288176 (OP)
Mists of Pandaria

>>720288176 (OP)
Cataclysm

>>720288176 (OP)
HotS

>>720288176 (OP)
When Activision bought them. Hence why Wrath is the beginning of the end.

>>720289459
>activision buys them
>suddenly class design is 10x better
hmmm...based activision?

>>720288176 (OP)
AQ40+TBC. WoW effectively turned into a testlab and vector for corporate's most predatory, proto-mobile buisness practices.

>>720289497
>Cash shop
>"What stage of Grizzly you on?"
>Le Chosen One story begins
>ingame, in engine cutscenes
>daily grind further integrated to core gameplay and rep grinds

>>720288176 (OP)
Probably MoP honestly, though I still returned for a couple of months every expansion until dragonflight

>>720288176 (OP)
The release of WoW. This should've been the triumphant end of Blizzard and technically was considering how much money WoW was making them. I don't blame them for going all in on it but it was clear the teams no longer had any ambition to pursue any other project and when they did they clearly didn't care all that much (Diablo 3). Overwatch was a strange love child that had every right to work and did for a time, then it didn't because modern Blizzard saw Fortnite and said "me want pie" and killed themselves.

>>720289636
>>Cash shop
would matter more if the tcg didnt already exist
>>"What stage of Grizzly you on?"
a non static world is a good thing actually
>Le Chosen One story begins
nobody gives a fuck about WoW story, and certainly nobody gave a fuck about it in TBC
>ingame, in engine cutscenes
and?
>daily grind further integrated to core gameplay and rep grinds
hi welcome to TBC
Also none of this matters because it lasts for exactly 1 week of the 2 year expansion before you start raidlogging

>>720289532
bruh the first iphone wasn't even out till 2007. this is what kinda phone everyone had when TBC launched

>>720289840
Work on your reading comprehension, mutt.

pandaland
no other game ever shit the bed so hard as wow did with the fucking pandas lol

>>720289272
What an absolutely pathetic company

>>720288176 (OP)
SC2
It began okay (except of 2 characters assasinations at the end of WoL), but quickly escalated into collosal clusterfuck, showing that Blizzard would never be able to return to their previous potential

>>720288176 (OP)
They removed spit from tbc classic so people couldn’t spit on the fags who bought the microtransactions

When they released diablo 3.

>>720289840
It was a better time...

>>720288176 (OP)
Activision Blizzard. Anyone with at least single digit IQ knew what's going to happen from there.

>>720288176 (OP)
World of Warcraft

>>720288176 (OP)
When they made the rainbow house and sold it for real money. Or when they literally forced players to give their real names and addresses, ending up with one of their devs getting doxxed.
One of those, whichever happened last.

>>720289840
I had a sony ericsson k800i. The camera was good. took photos of my first gf. I still miss her flat tummy and bikini bridge. I still fap to the photos.

>>720290187
I remember the doxxing thing. I think it was either TBC or wrath when that happened but I can't remember exactly

>>720290141
>content got better
>pvp got better
>class design got better
>world design got better

>>720290386
>>world design got better
They never reached the height of Vanilla.

>>720288176 (OP)
This one sealed the deal for me. They ran the most popular game at the time and then decided to add microtransactions, as if they weren't already raking in enough money.

>>720288176 (OP)
2017-2018 - up to that point, it was a series of just stupid shit, but once they turned on the gay agenda in hyperdrive and their games became stale it just seemed over. TO add to this they started hire-ing woketards and removing the old dudes, which meant that the future was going to be shity. Of course even in 2018, there was the idea that maybe just given 2-3 years of suffering they may go back, and in like 7-8 years they may get an ok product but even back then it seemed like 1-2% chance and like 98% chance for them to never ever make a new game people will want to play.

>>720290432
giant empty zones isnt a high, its a low
and you still got that in dragonblight anyway

>>720290441
>There such thing as enough money for business
how about you go to your north korean shithole, dirty commie

>>720290386
2/10 got me to reply

>>720289636
wrathgate was lvdo thoughbeit

>>720290563
>no argument
uh oh
cryboomer moment

>>720288176 (OP)
When WoW was released

>All those contrarian opinions
Trying too hard.

>>720288176 (OP)
With Frozen Throne and WoW announcement. Frozen Throne campaign did some really questionable things and made character behave weirdly. Also Sylvanas retcon.

>>720288176 (OP)

Cataclysm. We all hoped that it would be a correction from post-wrath and it was anything but. Been a decline ever since.

>>720288393
Same here.
I knew at this point this wasn’t the blizzard I had been a fan of anymore.

>>720290506
at some point businesses must realize that they are trading good will for cash, right? Look at the state of WoW currently: it has burned so much good will and is even currently burning its legacy and more good will by going after private servers. In the end, WoW will turn into CNN - the average age of players will be 50 and while it will last for some time, it will be in its own cultural silo that noone will ever visit from the outside.

If the business had more respect for its players, it would had a brighter future. We are already living in the age of WoW cinematics not even being watchable. There is no future for the game outside of a nursing home.

>>720290841
Frozen Throne was peak blizzard wtf.

>>720290386
>content got better
ToC.
>pvp got better
PvP was never good since TBC introduced arenas and resilience because it was never supposed to be taken seriously. It was supposed to be mindless fun bonus game, which is incompatible with TBC changes.
>class design got better
LFD and 30 version of the same raid negate any and all good class changes because the only places where you can use this "better class design" are shit to begin with.
>world design got better
Not only as anon said they never topped vanilla, phasing alone absolutely raped any attempts on any comprehensive world design.

And on top of that, most of expansion was made before the merge with Activision even happened.

>>720290940
Or maybe you just grow up while blizzard's games stayed the same quality

>>720290940
I never would've imagined I'd be playing vanilla wow in a nursing home but that sounds kinda kino desu

>>720288176 (OP)
around 2011? they released a raid where warriors were the wost tanks in the game suddenly. even if you had tbe best gear possible in the game you were worse by every mathematical benchmark compared to a druid tank with poor equipment. this was after they continually buffed druids/paladin cause it's their furry/pet class and even nerfed other class so they're worse simply so druids/paladin look better. then afterwards they showed d3 and said it only had 4 players and no pvp.

>>720290940
Zoomer-attuned terminally online here. Generally speaking saying "I play WoW" is considered a way of saying "I take immense pride in shit games that demand more time than active effort or git gud".

That includes you, arena fags. Yeah you can hit your buttons in a sequence very impressive, try a fighting game.

>>720291065
>>720291081
average age of wow players in 2035 will probably be 60.

>>720288176 (OP)
early 2010s, Diablo 3's RMAH and Blizzard being comfortable marketing and selling WoD for a full price already knowing they were likely abandoning most of the post-launch content to pivot to Legion were shamelessly, aggressively anticonsumer moves and the jewing has only become worse with time

the shine had already started to fade from the games by that point, old school Blizzard was just never going to be able to keep pace with the disciplined content release schedule an MMO requires and it was really starting to show by Wrath, on top of the pivot to reduce all friction in the game that has led to where it is now as this soulless lobby ARPG game that is scrounging around desperately trying to rebuild the world element. it says something that the best game the studio has released in like 20 years is the third party remaster of D2

>>720291189
in 2040 wow players will be dying of old age while raiding.

>>720290940
>it will be in its own cultural silo that noone will ever visit from the outside.
Isn't that where Blizzard is already at, though? I never hear about WoW or Blizzard games outside of /v/ shitposting.

>>720291065
Quality was good enough to kill RTS off and upon noticing the corpse of the genre twitching with Warcraft copycats they released Starcraft 2 and no RTS has had a noteworthy campaign of the same quality or scale ever since yet almost all of them are APM faggotry like Starcraft.

merger with activision

>>720291285
i have not heard a single thing outside of shitposts about trannies and how shit the games are since 2020. Blizzard already is just a shitpost topic.

>>720291285
For a while there it truly was it's own sealed off ecosystem and a long time ago they could have survived just fine on it but a dozen years of resting on their laurels and slowly processing out the old guard not so much, they had to put their products on other storefronts.

>>720288176 (OP)
Dustin Browder and his obsession with destructible rocks.
If someone has the gif, post it.

>>720291370
They keep making it for the lowest common denominator and have admitted they design encounters around addon use now so you either have an addon that tells you what to do and where to stand at all times or readability is second to none in how shit it is.

>>720291514
>They keep making it for the lowest common denominator
WoW is way too hard for most of the shitters in this thread, never mind average person
what is this cope?
>readability is second to none in how shit it is.
thanks for confirming youre one of the shitters

>>720290841
FT was peak mate huge redpill on Jaina being a whore

>>720288176 (OP)
their games has been shit for more than a decade, but the absolute point of no return was when the cosby suit shit came to light and they had to go full damage control, censoring shit and virtue signaling like crazy

>>720290593
What did this retard try to say?

>>720288176 (OP)
World or warcraft being total normalfag cattle bait

>>720291065
1.12 still holds up. Everything they produce today is dogwater

>>720291978
>completely dogshit content, tank n spank goyslop
>half the classes are worthless, warriors are best at everything but healing
completely shit unless youre brown skinned playing the brown class

>>720291824
the ironic thing was that the cozby boys were the only good male programmers left and they were all replaced by n-words, women, n-word women and some pakis....

In the end of the day, hiring women in a tech company is always a mistake.

>>720288176 (OP)
the Cali lawsuit

>>720291978
>patch that borderline removed aggro from game, still holds up
Yep, typical retard

>>720291965
all their games are for normies, casualizing game genres has been their entire MO since warcraft 1

>sod completely fucking dead
>classic era (including hardcore) also near death
>pandaland being abandoned in droves
>anniversary realms holding on
>retail realms holding on
>karesh retail patch wasn't well received
>blizz now going after private servers to shore up classic / anniversary numbers and banking on people staying subbed during legion remix

what a mess

>>720292063
Balanced classes just takes all the sovl out of the game. Game was better when Druid was a meme. And it made playing meme classes more fun.

when they started nerfing fun at wow
so somewhere at vainilla
at d2 i was dissapointing with the fun-nerfs

When they got bought by Activision, July 2009. It was a tragic day, like learning your grandpa has Alzheimer. Any other answer is wrong.

>>720288176 (OP)
I was well aware of it by Wings of Liberty, but I still rode out Legacy of the Void to the end because I had to kill that fuck Duran or I would never sleep peacefully. I set StarCraft 2 down satisfied, but it is not a worthy successor.

>>720290506
NTA. You have a childlike understanding of economics if you buy into the "infinite growth" garbage, or "communism"/"capitalism" respectively. There is only one (1) reason for a corporation to engage predatory buisnesa practices and opt for shortterm instead of longterm profits: mismanagement.
May that be in form of festering nepotism or loans forcing it to charge +100000% premium whilst cutting corners to cover 0.00001% of the interest it pays on ita interest.

Why do you think the telemarketing gayop of 2020 wiped out several mega-corporations? They all operate on debt and hover an inch above bankruptcy at all times.

WoW tbc

>>720292561
Company buyouts should be illegal. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever has it led to a better product for the consume, a better work environment, or more jobs. It's always layoffs and bullshit, worse products and execs pocketing more money.

Buyouts are the epitome of anti-competitive anti-free market monopolistic behavior that should be against the law.

>>720291189
45 if i still played this shit company games

>>720292348
theres no soul
>And it made playing meme classes more fun.
if this was true there would be more people playing them, its clearly not
druid is one of the most popular classes in retail, and one of the least popular in vanilla because its DOGSHIT
Because vanilla is DOGSHIT

>>720288176 (OP)
Activision merger

>>720292561
>Starcraft 2 and Cataclysm released in 2010
This checks out.

>>720288562
This. Legion was the last hurrah.

>>720289176
yeah fucking right bitch.

>>720292804
cataclysm was good
at least for the first month before they nerfed druids and heroics

>>720288176 (OP)
Diablo 3
It was the point at which the contempt they had for their audience was on full display, I think the whole dota->LoL->valve lawsuit thing actually traumatised the people who worked there

>>720288176 (OP)
Reforged. They literally wont let me redownload a game i bought years ago. Then they pulled the same shit with that terrible AI upscaled pajeet tier WC2 remaster and you cant buy the actually perfect GOG edition they had made like 4 years prior. Fuck Blizzard

>>720288176 (OP)
When they fired their first second generation blizzard employee.

>>720292912
Blizzard became a WoW company. They don't give a shit about the rest of their IPs.

>>720292760
>DOGSHIT
vanilla is the only time the game was good

>>720288889
Your just trying to make me mad
>you did faggot

>>720292760
>DOGSHIT
vanilla is the only time the game was good

>druid is one of the most popular classes in retail
imagine unironically playing retail
opinion discarded

>>720288393
>>720289341
>RMAH

Who gives a fuck about that, how about the fact they WoWified the art style and the game fucking sucked to play.

>>720292850
Cataclysm was never good on the simple fact that WotLK was the start of the decline. Cataclysm is trash and all expansions after it seemed to follow its model. This is the exact expansion where you can claim WoW had completely lost its soul and was running on nostalgia and creativity fumes.

>>720292912
Diablo 3 was a shit product anyway. Shit music, shit story, shit design, shit graphics, shit everything. Only stoners played it.

>>720293054
Hideous DEI face

>>720292989
But ever since d3 their contempt for that audience has also been on full display
Any blizz game post d3 is tinged with a feeling that the developers thinkknow you are scum

>>720289309
Cata had a great release and firelands was kino but that final tier was absolute shit. They blew their load redesigning the old zones

>>720292818
>both were AP and titanforge slop
>same endgame progression
>no major class or talent changes
>no major raid/dungeon system changes
BFA was literally the continuation of Legion, just without the legendary RNG

when i never got warcraft 4. not that i'd want these new age cock smokers touching warcraft

>>720293064
>>720292990
brown, curry stained hands typed these posts

>>720289176
Legion was not even in the same cosmic realm as BFA. Legions only problem was gear drops that made meta fags reee out when they didn’t get the best one from their guide. Azerite traits was a worse version of legions system. It’s like they thought wow we can’t reuse legions system because the players already used it, we need a shit version of it instead for the sake of “fresh” ideas.

Legion was the final chapter in warcrafts story, and all plot beats were almost perfect. The worst thing about legions story was the emerald nightmare and it’s only because people desperately wanted it to be its own expansion

>>720288176 (OP)
With Star Craft 2

Anon was right>>720292238
Too many retards are unironically out of touch
Diablo 3 survived and thrived, it was the most popular arpg for years after reaper of souls, without even real updates, beating even f2p ones like poe
On the other hand, diablo 4, game designed from the ground to pander "oldfags who liked diablo 2" with them most inane and retarded design decisions, is on life support

>>720293263
Might be brown but they are mostly right. WoW retail has been trash since WotLK. One could make an argument for legion, but that's just the sunk cost addicts that felt Legion was a godsent after the shitheap that was WoD.

>>720292253
Panama classic was kneecapped because the devs have no idea what they are doing. It’s harder to gear up in current classic than it was when MOP launched. Not to mention it’s the hardest expansion in the entire timeline to level a character up in. They knew all this and still let it go. Now they are scared legion remix won’t be good because the dev thinks people are playing remix for the full legion experience. No we’re not you fucking retards, remix is an arcade mode. We can wait for it to be a classic server for timegated and “challenging” content

>>720288176 (OP)
The release of Cataclysm.

>>720293292
>Legions only problem was gear drops that made meta fags reee out when they didn’t get the best one from their guide
Your character being unplayable because of the dogshit legiondary RNG is in fact a problem, yes.
>Azerite traits was a worse version of legions system
nope, it was strictly better NLC because the traits werent RNG and the gear couldnt titanforge+++
people dont want slot machine garbage like legion
>and all plot beats were almost perfect.
if youre retarded maybe, legion had so much nonsensical plot armor you have to be a weeb to tolerate it

>>720288176 (OP)
wotlk when they introduced the faction change service in wow

>>720293424
>Might be brown
Oh you are too, of course
>WoW retail has been trash since WotLK
>i-its bad as soon as it got too hard for browns

>>720293140
they aren't wrong though. anybody buying or playing blizzard games post d3 is scum so the developers are correct.

>>720293471
if you just want to 1 shot bosses you should do it in live
remix is literally the ultimate goyslop mode and frankly you should get permabanned for rolling a character on it at all

>>720293375
Oh lord, you poor child. How does it feel to be so oblivious to the industry and the market that it emboldens you to make claim as ridiculously stupid as that ? Just start with the fact that Diablo 3 was on sale 90% of the year and was almost given away at some point, includes a re-release run with Reaper of Souls which also got the same marketing ploy of literally giving it away or charging 10$ for it. That's the sole reason it had any players to begin with.
Then there's your gauge about success. Diablo Immortal beat all of these games combined in profits and has over 500k players worlwide making it decisively popular. Do you think Diablo Immortal is a good game within the series ?
The fact you enjoyed a subpar game because it was propped up by the name of a well loved franchise doesn't mean the game is good or worth your time. The only reason Diablo 3 is even talked about today is because it's named Diablo and some people like you grew up playing it thinking it was awesome because of its marketing. You're actually part of the reason why Blizzard still exists to this day as a puppet corpse of itself.

>>720293848
>WoW
>Difficult
Damn, with people like you saying dumb shit like this, I'd almost wish I wasn't white.

>>720294039
>actually the millions of people who played each D3 season dont actually like it, they just like the completely dead shitpile known as Diablo 2
do troons really believe this?

>>720294039
>assmongol told me that diablo 3 was bad
nice argument, kiddo

>>720294102
>boss that takes 300 tries to beat isnt difficult because.....it just isnt ok!
and youre definitely not white

>>720293785
>anon grinded out 50 years in the first week
>gets upset his welfare drop isn’t better than his current slot
>azerite traits being better
Broooooooo, you are disingenuous or tranny dev, the azerite traits were terrible and there was clear objectively better talents to select from not to mention they were generic talents with no room for customization. At least legion offered variety with its traits and allowed you to build brand new kits especially with legendary items that revamp your entire characters toolkit. Monk for example could transform into a Sith Lord class casting lighting like the current shadopan hero tree. All of current wow borrows traits and legendary effects from legion because they were fun to use and overall better for the game. It’s no mistake that once they lifted every single legendary item and legion talent and spliced them into the modern tree the gameplay significantly improved.

The plot in legion was pure Warcraft. What “ass pull” are you even talking about? Illidan returning? Fuck off back to your general thread

>>720288176 (OP)
All of Diablo 3 and WotLK having stuff on the game package that were never delivered

>>720294196
What about vanilla wow and promise of dynamic changing villages

>>720294335
Is that on the game box?

I enjoyed Diablo 3 and it's a good game. But vanilla is still the best version of WoW.

>>720294171
it takes that many tries cause you're apart of the raid though. the difficulty is always finding people who aren't retards since the population of mmo is almost exclusively retards nowadays it's no surprise you guys can't clear shit.

the blizzard developers released raids were 100% impossible to even clear trying to slow down progression at their height cause mmo's were only inhabiited by retards and women like nowadays. whatever you're doing is easy and has been done 1000 times

>>720294118
>actually the millions of people who played diablo immortal don't actually like it,they just like the completely dead shitpile known as Diablo 2.
What's your point ? Just because dumb people play a shit game doesn't make it a good game.

>>720294335
They do change. Scourge invasion, Cataclysm, etc.

I think Blizzard is fun still.

>>720294176
>the azerite traits were terrible and there was clear objectively better talents to select from
yeah welcome to WoW you fucking retard
the difference is that it wasnt a complete RNG shitfest like getting your best legendary
>At least legion offered variety with its traits and allowed you to build brand new kits
no it didnt,there was the right way to gear and then a bunch of dogshit you shouldnt be using, just like azerite traits. Except unlike azerite you could get raped by RNG and not get your real legendary for months on end
>All of current wow borrows traits and legendary effects from legion
except for all the ones from BFA and Shadowlands like Festermight and The Hunt
>It’s no mistake that once they lifted every single legendary item and legion talent
They didnt you dumbshit nigger

A friend of mine once told me "Anon, if you're ever wondering why corporations engage in predatory behavior towards customer, just look if they're listed or not"

That stuck with me and ever since I just look at a corporations behavior in the way of one of their financial analyst looking at a spreadsheet for the upcoming quarterly.

>>720294482
exactly diablo 2 is a bad game

Around when they added bridget or whatever that bitch's name is to brainlessly counter high skill fun to play damage characters in overwatch.
I'm pretty sure she alone killed the game.

>>720294001
why is it the ultimate goyslop mode?

The only appeal WoW has in current day is knowing that you get to ignore all other games and play alongside other doomers. Only think and consume WoW - which is dogshit.

>>720288176 (OP)
Diablo 3 being an absolute pile of shit at launch. I can't believe that was 13 years ago

idk why people praise wrath so much, yes it had some good points but it was a 50/50 expansion at best.
>naxx 2.0 was a re-released raid which auto-makes it shit
>onyxia re-eleased shit
>vault and wintergrasp shit
>trial was shit
>trail dailies was shit
>Maly was good
>Sartharion was good
>ulduar was good
>Icecrown good

>>720288176 (OP)
2012

>>720296542
Vault was mercifully short but wintergrasp was cool when it first released, as was Isle of conquest before everyone figured out how broken it was

>>720294001
What’s the point in having a remix and then a classic version? Explain it, why would anyone want to run through legion multiple times back to back

>>720288393
Yep, RMAH is what made me realize the Bliizard we knew was dead

>>720294709
You’re coping hard if you think Azerite traits were “strictly better.” They were a stripped down, soulless version of Legions design. Legion legendaries and artifact traits redefined specs, added new buttons, and transformed playstyles. Azerite traits??? Another passive that made your existing spell hit a bit harder. that’s boring spreadsheet garbage.

And don’t hide behind “RNG bad” like it makes Azerite good. RNG was frustrating, but at least the rewards were worth chasing. Getting a BiS legendary was like unlocking a new minispec. You could log on and suddenly play a whole different kit. Azerite traits never gave you that they were bland, recycled modifiers, most simmed into irrelevance day one.

Legion’s system was so impactful Blizzard took every good idea from it for modern WoW. Shadowlands legendaries? Copy pasta. Dragonflight hero talents? Half are straight Legion legendary effects and artifact abilities. The devs knew Azerite was dogwater that’s why none of it returned. You can’t name a single Azerite trait anyone remembers fondly. Meanwhile, people still talk about Legion effects like Sephuz, Prydaz, Kil’jaeden’s trinket, or spec defining powers like Dagger in the Dark or Drinking Horn Cover.

Legion was peak Warcraft. Argus, Illidan, Army of the Light, Sargeras, dramatic payoffs to 20 years of setup. Call it “plot armor” all you want, but it was the climax of the Burning Legion saga. BFA’s big story?
>We need necklaces because titan blood lol.
Compare that to Illidan’s redemption and tell me BFA handled it better.
RNG sucked, but I’d rather play a fun system with occasional frustration than a boring one with no highs. Legion had substance. Azerite was diet coke faggot.

>>720296542
Revisionst like you deserve to be murdered

>>720288176 (OP)
WotLK.
I knew it was shit and had lost all of the charm.
Even the areas just felt like retreads of previous areas with nothing new. Shalazar Basin was the biggest indicator to me that they had just given up on doing new locales and were just going to reuse the same area templates over and over from here on out.

>>720298967
Agreed, dragon flight is superior to Wotlk for sure. Everyone I run the school dungeon i remember just how great our xers are and thankfully Xem/Der was able to finally tell their story

>>720289041
>people rightfully complain
>Whale who runs fansite with a character that hints they will troon during Warlords when Tumblr was popular kills them with store mount

>>720299135
No everything past WotLK has been pure aids for hamster wheel players.

>>720288176 (OP)
When they ruined Overwatch for no reason with terrible patches and then kept making it worse

>>720288176 (OP)
The word IZ can be found sitting on the letter L. Pretty funny logo. And entertainment meant entertain meant. I guess I had some fun playing blizzards quality and polished products, but damn. Once you get older, watching everybody else breed really starts to hurt. Im gonna give this reality a 0/10, and warn all future travellers here to go somewhere else.

>>720299357
Cause you need to buy skins and the battle pass anon

why the create World of Warcraft. I don't think people here understand just how massive a shift in the company that was

>>720299323
Well after Legion they thought the game was not serious anymore. They injected the hearthstone whimsical campy tone directly into the veins of the game. Everything is nonserious and cartoon tier even when it’s le high stakes spooky bad guy

>>720288176 (OP)
Somewhere around the release of Wrath. They started catering to their increasingly casual player base.

>>720299623
It had nothing to do with skins. They completely ruined the game, gameplay, the updates were complete shit and recycled content. Blizzard went from making AAA games to making AA games.

>>720299954
>They started catering to their increasingly casual player base.
See >>720292238
Wotlk was literally begining of minmax shitfest in wow, where content that didn't gave best loot was worthless
But somehow, it's was shift to pander casuals
Really makes you think

>>720288176 (OP)
When Activision bought them during Wotlk.

I quit WoW during the pre-Cata patch back in the day and I never looked back

>>720288176 (OP)
When it became Activision

>>720300228
>>720299954
It was actually a mix of both. They attempted to make raiding increasingly hard in cata/mop, which resulted in casuals being unhappy and push-back. So as a result they made things like raid finder and flex, and then amped up the difficulty of heroic/mythic raids even further. This created a massive divide between the player base, making wow players either be giga casuals who do lfr/flex and mount farm, or tryhards raiding mythic on 7 alts. In turn, killing off most of the semi-casual population, which in reality was about 80% of the population, with the 10% of retard dad gamer casuals and 10% of ultra tryhards being left.

However, if you look into the history of WoW, it started (imo) when Tigole joined, he was the one who made the game into a weekly raiding lockout simulator, instead of a leveling 1-60 experience which is what the devs originally intended. If you look even more into it, stuff like mythic+ and hard mode for raids were already being experimented on during TBC development.

The lore/story also played some role IMO, I think people underestimate how much of an impact the story plays and deathwing/pandas/everything after have been a giant letdown compared to arthas. I feel like narratively most people agree wow died in wotlk.

People will say it was the activation buyout (which obviously played a massive role), but they wouldn't purposely kill their cash cow, the milking of wow began long after the player base had started to shrink.

>>720288176 (OP)
activision/wotlk irreversibly poisoned the well

>>720301401
>another schizo retard who doesn't even understand what he's talking about, but believes himself to be a fucking genius because he heard something, so his post is full of half truths and outright lies
raiding and boss difficulty unironically has nothing to do with casuals wanting to do it or not. It's all about how much he needs to shit out of his class, and wotlk design with focus on minmaxing was big hit, with a lot of core wow fans just saying fuck it and leaving.
If anything, cata/mop was the time when some of them came back, especially in cata thanks to class revamp removing rotations no one really wanted to learn. And thanks to not needing to do 4 versions of same raid, like in wotlk(guess what flex raids in soo brought back). Also, focus on insisting that players should already having addons and balancing game around that, which began in wotlk.
of course wotlk was your first expansion, so you wouldn't know that.
> I feel like narratively most people agree wow died in wotlk.
Should be noted that this statement usually spread around by wotlk kids like asmongold.
> instead of a leveling 1-60 experience which is what the devs originally intended
This is your fantasy
The only fact we know is that devs intended for players to level from 1 to 60 by just finding place thanks to quests with mobs they want to kill, and then farm said mobs. Players actually doing quests and leveling through them was unintended by game design

>>720288176 (OP)
Legion was ok. BFA was bad/cheap. Shadowlands was the true point of no return, it was obvious the entire structure was rotted and there could be no recovery.


The story was bad. The dungeons were boring. The characters were all trans gay and retarded.

Diablo 3. The Negormancer oogabooga motherfucker is when i actively stopped buying any blizzard product.

>>720288176 (OP)
When they ruined /ourgirl/

>>720302480
>raiding and boss difficulty unironically has nothing to do with casuals wanting to do it or not.
I'm not going to read the rest of your post because this is an absolutely retarded take, and usually one given by the tryhard no lifes/minmaxers who ruined the game. A look at the sub graph will very quickly prove my point.

The second blizzard started catering to "hardcore gamers" the game started dying. Semi-casuals (aka the majority of the player base) want to be able to raid and clear the "hardest" content/difficulty, classic had its population peak in wrath naxx because it was easy clearable content by the entire player base. Then it fell off a cliff in ulduar when the content got hard.

>>720288176 (OP)
When StarCraft II doubled down on the WoW art style and Fisher Price models. SC:BW had an amount of stylized gritty realism to it. It almost looks cartoony in SC2.

>>720303470
This weirdly puffy and toylike artstyle was stubbornly doubled down on for years.

>>720288176 (OP)

the moment i stepped into outland in 2007.

just kidding. it was then 1.10 hit d2

>>720288176 (OP)
when Activision happened

>>720288176 (OP)
I think Diablo 3 was the turning point

>>720303421
>got btfo by facts
>please believe me wotlk was grear, it was my first expansion, i swear it was great
Cope

>>720288176 (OP)
when it merged with activision and they promised everything will be the same but it was never the same

It's Microsoft's problem now

wings of liberty

>>720288176 (OP)
Finished last expansion of SC2 and after that I basically had no interest in anything Blizzard. I don't even know what they've released since.

>>720288176 (OP)
SC2, the game's story was heavily influenced by WoW.

>>720304260
If you actually read my original post, I stated that the downfall of wow actually began when Tigole joined and started having a large influence on the game (late vanilla/during TBC development). It just took until cata for his influence to be enough to start killing the game.

diablo 3 without a doubt

>>720303584
It's possible to make sc2 look more like sc1. They really homogenized every new game after WoW.

>>720305380
I already replied to you, by calling you retard who doesn't even know what the fuck he's talking about, and explained why are you retarded.
But because wow is the only mmo you played, and because wotlk is your first expansion, you decided to ignore the truth and piss yourself in impotent rage.

>>720305691
I have been playing MMOs since before you were born zoomer.

Why is Blizzard the company that lives in your heads rent free and not all the other major developers that went to shit? Every fucking day it's a fucking Blizzard crybaby thread.

Diablo 3

When I leveled through the utterly soulless redone old world zones in Cataclysm for the first time

>>720305836
YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE

>>720288176 (OP)
tried to force esports with sc2 before it was even released

>>720288176 (OP)
When they weren't satisfied with botching the warcraft 3 remake but they had to ruin the original version as well. That shit is actionable and there should have been a lawsuit over it

>>720305836
>WHY DO VIDEO GAMES LIVE RENT FREE IN YOUR HEADS DURRRR STUPID /V/

>>720306014
That was valve retard.

>>720306106
Blizzard wasn't the entire industry you fag.

>>720288176 (OP)
They had the potential to use their IP to create the greatest MOBA ever, but instead they leaned into their ‘woke’ instincts and came up with design choices inspired by communism, like removing items and implementing shared leveling. That’s how they made and released HotS. And to this day, they still haven’t pulled the plug on this dead game.

>>720305836
Diablo 1 and 2, Warcraft 1 2 and 3, StarCraft 1 and Brood War were all very good games released in less than a 10 year timespan. Also Rock & Roll Racing. It was a lot of peoples' Mario/Sonic equivalent.

>>720305836
This is the blizz thread dumbass. I equally shit on other companies in their own threads.

>>720306527
All I see are shill threads for Konami and Nintendo despite being just as fucking bad as Blizzard, then when a WoW expansion drops you have to reinforce how much you hate Blizzard but you know every piece of news that comes out about it. You faggots are like battered wives.

>>720296637
Jesus…

Chaning Alexstraza Armor.

>>720306735
It’s cause WoW is a huge part of many peoples lives, some of the most fun and memorable gaming seshs came out of WoW. I can remember almost every raid iv ran with my friends. Even stupid shit we use to do when we were younger like hide and seek in the capital city.

>>720290632
Vanilla was garbage, sorry nostalgia doesn't make it good. Being populated doesn't make it good. People figured out the game and realized it was garbage, that's why classic didn't bring the magic back and no amount of p server coping is going to change that. Next you're just going to post another zoomer meme implying shit and you'll continue with no argument. Kill yourself nigger, WoW is shit.

>>720307218
Everquest was a big part of my life and I fucking moved on. I don't make threads crying about it every goddamn day.

i think the signs that blizzard was run by a bunch of jews was there from pretty early on and it started with dismantling blizzard north

>>720307615
Cause EverQuest is a dead game you retard, I’m still playing wow.

>>720307404
I played vanilla for my first time with classic severs. it is not nostalgia

>>720304725
Taking LAN out of SC2 was a dick move. controlling and anti-consumer af

>>720307907
>I'm still playing WoW
So you're a stupid cuckold who can't let go.

>they don't even make good wow r34 anymore
Absolutely grim.

>>720288735
this anon eats shit
Cata was garbage and TBC was literally shitterlands with the overboard fanfics and outland being a garbage zone

>>720308316
>Post has no statement on quality of bc or cata, only facts about what team worked on them
>still getting buttdevastated and feeling insecure about it
Hilarious

SC2 was either the beginning or the drop of the downslope.

I never played WoW and wasn't very interested since nobody I knew played. But then SC2 came out and the entire thing just looked cartoony as all fuck compared to the original StarCraft. Not only that, but they split the 3-race campaign into 3 separate titles which would eventually release over... 5 years apparently. The real hit though, was the lobby and custom game system. Instead of jumping into random lobbies, you had to pick a game and hope other people were also playing that game. So discovery of new custom games was actually pretty shit, as all the "popular" stuff was always on the first page and everything past that was a death sentence.

And that's totally disregarding the new custom map legalese that actively discouraged development of new game modes. Blizzard got so butthurt by DotA that they basically changed the terms to say "everything you make is ours and we don't need to compensate you if we take your ideas and systems". So despite the more advanced engine, you never got anywhere near the creative power as SC1 and WC3 map makers.

>>720288176 (OP)
I think it was a blizzcon for Diablo 3 that was the final nail in the coffin for me.
Not sure if it was 2010-2011 blizzcon Q&A, and a question got an answer with lots of applause and I realized D3 was doomed.

I played Sc2:WoL, and I was already very hesitant.

My first doubts came with WoW Vanilla, and then Burning Crusade sealed the end of Warcraft for me.
I think WoW Vanilla is fine, but it was just a bit disappointing. BC made sure warcraft was past the point of no return though, I still held hope for StarCraft and Diablo.
The blizzcon Q&A put Diablo past the point of no return, while WoL put starcraft past the point of no return, and blizzard as a whole.

>>720305836
There's no other company that had a higher varied peak.
They had uniquely good games, not just "this game is better than this other game in the genre", but there's no other game that did what blizzard games did.

>>720303584
>>720305592
I will always hate the fact that >pic was retconned to oblivion while the cartoony shit from sc2 is canon now.
Joe Madureira and Blizzard getting too friendly with DC Comics ruined their art department badly.

>>720308692
TBC team was literally the grognards led by >pic you shit eating mazed furfag

>Foxxo is already on defending Retail, TBC and Cata
now show me the numbers of people playing those now

No amount of saving will there be to provide the wow retards with any substancially acceptable result, because simply both retail and classic troglodytes live in a fantasy world where the gear treadmill and the ceiling it provides at every expansion, whilst making previous expansions and content completely irrelevant is somehow an acceptable result.

So we have now what? 3 types of classics and the severely retarded classic players now imagine of a new "classic+" that is actually in the development cycle in the back, as if this iteration of their flawed mmo system will this time work, only for it to reach the second patch and then retards will struggle to understand why people stopped playing. These people will never understand this concept or line of thinking, the only person who did was Mike'o' Bryan an ex-blizz employee one of the OG who left and made GW and GW2 whereas we have not a gear progression oriented game but skill curve game. Now GW2 is a daggling corpse of what it was supposed to be due to garbage financing from NCsoft and due to the era GW2 launched, the space was filled wtih casuls that even got filtered by fucking Wildstar of all games.

So there you have it, Blizzard flopped the momment the continued their severely retarded system and focusing on skill curve aspects of their game.

>>720309082
>They had uniquely good games, not just "this game is better than this other game in the genre
Command and conquer motherfucker.

>>720288176 (OP)
Like fifteen fucking years ago if not more. How fucking new you zoomers are?

>>720310712
Like I said, they had unique good games, not just "this game is better than this other game in the genre", the latter of which would be an example of your preference to c&c, while not addressing the unique things of blizzards games.

Also, c&c sucks.

>>720308116
I enjoy it despite its massive fall from grace. The gameplay is good. Sorry anon but it’s still the best mmorpg out there which says a lot about the video game industry

>>720302970
its because they fucked the shadowland writing, the true story was about arthas become the new arbinger/judge of all the shadowlands, why is that? because uther threw arthas in the maw before being judge by the arbinter, that was huge plot that they decided to remove and replace with the trans arc, thats why it made no sense arthas becoming a wisp.

>>720288176 (OP)
og diablo 3 auction house

>>720288176 (OP)
Burning Crusade. Special finishing motion for the Spectral steed.

>>720288176 (OP)
Blizzard has been dead for quite a while now, but the release of Classic WoW passed the point of no return. Why make something new when we can profit off others work from the past? They admittedly threw in the towel and accepted all creativity is dead at their org.

Meanwhile Microsoft paid $70 billion to just sit back and watch it happen.

>>720288176 (OP)
Diablo 3. It "felt" wrong

>>720288176 (OP)
When they bungled HotS.

What I don't understand is why people give a fucking cent to this company.

>>720288176 (OP)
i canceled my wow subscription in nov 2004 because i could see where things were going. a friend got me into diablo 3 and sc2, and i played them for a little while. i thought they were fine but stopped for a bit. blizzard suffered a data breach after. then the following ensued:
>leaked security question/answer pairs but did not invalidate them so the hacker is free to use them until the users change them
>the first i hear of this is when i get an email notifying me that my account info was changed
>hacker logged into my account and stole most of the gold and valuable mats, but not all of it. still had all my gear. the login shows they had a chinese IP
>contact blizzard to report the break-in. i have to verify my account ownership using multiple data points. rep suggests my account can be restored so of course i say yes
>they do it without mentioning that their backups are super old. the account i get back has even less stuff in it now than after the hacker stole from it, from like week 1-2 of when i started playing.
>complain about this but they say it's impossible to do anything else or revert back to the hacked account
>at the very end they suggest that i use real id and submit a govt id to keep on file
>i'm incredulous at this point and ask them >why i would ever give them my govt ID to keep on file when they just fucking leaked my data
>why they didn't ask for account verification when someone logged in from china but made me supply a bunch of credentials to report a break-in after a hack that they knew had happened.
>why they didn't just allow the option for local saves so hacking wouldn't be an issue in the first place
>conclude by asking for a refund/credit for the game
>they say no because it's been over 30 days
>inform them that i'm never giving the company another cent, and i haven't

>>720288176 (OP)
cata

>>720288329
Frozen Throne was that bad?

>>720288176 (OP)
Burning Crusade. They could release the biggest fucking pile of shit and people would beg for more. The rest is history.