Thread 720408338

>>720408338 (OP)
Literally the best ones. Yea, including BW2.

>takes away kantomons for one second
>this made normies lose their fucking mind
>game is heavily criticized on the internet because of the 4chan leak , muh charizard and cherry picked pokemon
>the anime also became the worst in the series and lobotomized ash to lose to a fucking fresh out the egg mon
>the realization sets in
>become depressed and lose all motivation to innovate
>make sure that the later generations will be full of KANTO nostalgia pandaring and to never make a passionate pokemon game ever again because pokefags and Nintendo adults will buy it anyway
>present day
>release Scarlet/Violet and it's one of the most buggy glitchy unfinished games for an AAA title on the switch and cut pokemon from the game
>becomes 2nd best selling pokemon game of all time
You get what you fucking deserve

>>720409667
>pandaring

>>720409667
sorry lil bro no one liked your game with shit designs and endless cutsceneslop

>>720408338 (OP)
I liked how the game encouraged the player to box the starter mid game. God damn, snivy, osalot, and tepig were so shit

>>720409667
Scarlet and Violet is fun. Been replaying White and it’s much worse than I remember. Why is an event and mythical that came with the instructions of the game itself a limited pokemon that was only available for like a month after the release date? Manaphy in Pokemon Ranger is available forever as long as you didn’t already get an egg from that same cartridge before. Not even going to start with the horrible animations.

>>720408338 (OP)
>filtered

>>720411550
>Not even going to start with the horrible animations.
I know this is bait but you can't really say this shit after praising that garbage of SV.

>>720408338 (OP)
OP here
Sorry, wrong image, let me fix.

>>720408338 (OP)
Deserved.
Maybe they should have made a good game with a good region and good Pokemon designs instead.

>>720408338 (OP)
What?! These games were very soulful. An entire unique pokedex. Charming 2d/3d graphic style. Good games.

>>720408338 (OP)
that's not 6th gen retard

Gen 5 were good games and most complaints about them are just from people who didn't like having to use the new mons or the more involved story. There's nothing wrong with Gen 5 pokemon design wise and most the criticisms people try to blanket them with can be found in Gen 1.

nothing will kill Pokemon ever, even if Gamefreak shits the bed, because the franchise is bigger than they are. The games are just vehicles for introducing and vetting for new merchandising opportunites since thats where most of the Pokemon money comes from nowadays, there's no incentive anymore to innovate or properly kit out a main line pokemon game.

>>720412829
But where's my Zubat? My Rattata? My Charizard? MY FUARKING KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>720408338 (OP)
That's not GO, which brought the normalfag hordes back and ensured pieces of shit like SwSh and SV were successful

>>720413975
Lotta words just to say you're a fag.

>>720408338 (OP)
if that one killed pokemon which one raped pokemon?

>>720414673
I'm about to unleash my rage

>>720414673
KEK

>>720408338 (OP)
>donut region
>shit designs
>ruined the ashnime
>2 gay ass rivals
>worst starters ever
>no mechanical improvements besides unlimited tms everyone glitches or cheats in anyway
bw is like if reddit made a pokemon game

>>720408338 (OP)
That was Gen 7 thougheverbeitnestly.

Going away from spirtes did it, 3d was good only for the side games like stadium and snap

I'm sick of seeing people heap shit on the Gen 5 designs.
They are bland and unoriginal at worst and some of the greatest designs in the series at best. There's more exceptional designs in Unova than bad.

>>720408526
>t unovababy with nostalgiagoogles
B/W1 is the anthitesis of pokemon; story contradicts the core of it as an adventure restricting the player. B/W2 balanced it properly even if it had too much of it making it more entertaining.

Very few cool and good mons isn't enough as redeeming qualities.

BW1 is better than Sinnoh or Kanto and I'm tired of pretending it's not. BW2 is even better obviously.

>>720415040
>I'm sick of seeing people heap shit on the Gen 5 designs.
Learn to cope because they're right; most of Unovamons are ugly. Haxorus in among the minority

>>720408338 (OP)
I like how unovafags retroactively act as if this was Pokemon's last stand as some innovative marvel of the franchise and the fact that critics didn't appreciate it means Pokemon was ruined forever, when the fact of the matter it was criticized the way it was because it was simply a poor entry and zoomers rabidly defend it due to nostalgia and envy for never having experienced actual Pokemania.

>>720415147
>BW1 is better than Sinnoh or Kanto and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Kanto's route 1 obliterates and exposes Unova's game design, so no

>>720415165
Don't forget the punchline; Unovadex is Kanto reskinned

>>720415165
This, you could literally cut Gen 5 out from the series completely and all we’d lose is Hidden abilities which are completely derivative from Gen 3. BW suck cocks

Gen 5 was the last gen to have mail you could attach to your pokemon. Therefore, everything after it is shit.

Why do zoomers trying to defend these dogshit games always ignore all the actual problems and try to strawman with this >>720414332 every time?

>>720415165
>>720415298
Shut up bozos, Healthy Meta Blast.

>>720415507
What Digimon is this?

>>720411550
>Why is an event and mythical that came with the instructions of the game itself a limited pokemon that was only available for like a month after the release date?
This problem isn't unique to B/W

>>720415040
My problem isn't the designs themselves, it's that most of them are backloaded. Yeah Volcarona is good, you're not even gonna use it until the postgame. Haxorus? Limited to near the end of the game. Golurk? Comes near the end and is flat out worse than a mole you get 5 gyms before. Bisharp? Also near the end of the game, you might not even have it evolved by the Elite 4. That's just a few of examples too.

Hes the only good character out of those games btw

>>720408338 (OP)
>>720409996
>>720411550
>>720412716
>>720414673
yawnfag + samefag

>>720408338 (OP)
You know its shit of these are the face of the gen lmao

A lot of Gen 5's Pokemon just look like garbage (some literally).
Why is it all of a sudden wrong to not want to use Pokemon that don't look cool?

>>720415298
>you could literally cut Gen 5 out from the series completely and all we’d lose is Hidden abilities which are completely derivative from Gen 3
I fucking love prankster riolu!

>>720415558
It's not a digimon, it's a Pal!!

>>720415298
As opposed to every other gen post-5, where you'd lose LITERALLY NOTHING because they keep cycling the new gimmick out every single gen lmao

>m-muh Gen 6 KANTOOOO
Gen 6 had much better looking Pokemon than Gen 5.
Kantomons were just a bonus. Don't why this upsets some people.

>>720415057
the story doesn't contradict anything. if anything, it reinforces the foundation of the premise

>>720416008
>implying gen 5 wasn't free of this
This unovabortion thinking weatherwars weren't a thing

>>720409667
>genwunning in 202020205

>zoomers have never ever had a good pokemon game
Id feel sorry for them but they're all faggots so fuck em

>>720415445
what actual problems? the unexistent story? the unexistent post-game? the fact it was rushed so hard it we can't explore the souther part of the region- wait a second

>>720415057
im a redbaby and bw are good and you're stupid

>>720415862
It say out of pokemon as whole with exception of Lillie, Arven and Riben

>>720416156
>the story doesn't contradict anything
It even forces you to stop and avoid progression and exploration to watch a glorified cutscene

>>720416261
BW2 mogs GSC and Platinum combined.

>>720411742
nah, it was kino
way better than black and white

>>720416163
>implying weather is ONLY a thing in gen 5

>>720416319
Blueteen here, bw are fucking dissapointing. You're the stupid here.

>>720416389
This isn't Xitter, you don't get paid for being wrong here.

>>720416389
Way better than GSC, but you're delusional if you think it's on par with Platinum.

>>720408338 (OP)
It's true. I played up to the first gym in Black and I could not continue. I was so fucking tired of it.

>>720416395
Yes. Pre Unova had sandstorm only; gen 5 had abilities built around weather beyond one taking it to heart. So yeah

>>720416261
I started with gen I and have played every gen in order and find 1 and 2 to be overrated while 5, particularly the first games, are pretty good.

This "zoomers only defend gen v cause it's what they grew up with" shit is the same shit you're doing with gen 1/2, you only prefer it cause it's what you played when you were 7 years old

>>720416494
>Pre Unova
Thank you, idiot, and goodnight

>>720408338 (OP)
shitnova is garbo for fat brownies, true

>>720416389
I tend to agree, mainly because never liked gen 2

>>720416472
>you're delusional if you think it's on par with Platinum.
Correct. I think it's better. BW2 = HGSS > Plat = Emerald.

>>720415507
I hate these niggas like you wouldn't believe
and the sentai goats too. worst legendaries ever

>namefag
>thinking its opinion matters

>>720416538
goodnight, abortion

>>720416565
for me its, bw2>plat=em>hgss>bw>the rest

>>720408338 (OP)
OP here, sorry i posted the wrong pic

>>720416635
Trvke

>>720416495
Because gen 1-4 are the best with 1-2 being absolute peak. Anyone with any iota of taste and understanding of quality looking at something can see that 5-current is trite and clearly lacking in quality originality and good design. Not that any zoomer would now quality as their opinion is whatever FUCKINGCOCKSUCKER69@TWITCH.TV tells them

>>720416472
>HM spam region with garbage towns meant for filler padding with garbage routes like snowstorm and swamp and a horrible regional dex where every route has the same fucking mons and every playthrough team is the exact same because of it and a pants on head retarded story that takes itself too seriously while being tryhard edgy lorewise trying to introduce the gods of the universe and no memorable characters except for "lol Cynthia hard" peddled by retards who played the games on peanut butter and jelly crusted DS lites when they were 8 years old and thought 4 attacking moves on the overleveled starter is the peak of gameplay

Platinum does not deserve its reputation of being talked about in the same conversation as BW2, Emerald, or even HGSS

>>720416565
>spoiler
absolutelly accurate in my book

The thing that really gets me is how fucking shit the UI is. How do you make such a downgrade from previous games? Did nobody actually play it and ask why it sucks so bad?

>>720415925
I think Serperior is a genuinely great design but I feel like they were purposefully trying to piss people off with Emboar and Samurott irked my autism by becoming a quadruped in the final evolution. It also didn't help they purposefully made them all suck for some inexplicable reason.

>>720416494
Gen 3 literally has Groudon and Kyogre, the poster boys of weather wars, and Swift Swim, Chlorophyll, and Sand Veil where also introduced in said Gen.

>>720416759
do you mean the bottom screen? in that case yeah i can see why

>>720416565
>>720416612
Emerald~=BW2>HGSS>=BW>Platinum>FRLG

>>720416494
Zoomers, everyone.

>>720416759
Remember the Unova games are based of USA; are you surprised it's tailored to western sensibilities? And you know damn well what can fit said sensibilities and appeal

>>720416565
Swap Emerald and HGSS and that's my tier list
I started the damn series with gen 2 and I think Johto kinda sucks outside the day/night system

I only recently played through black2, mind you I hate pokemon, but I would put it at the pinnacle alongside emerald and red/blue if not for some shitty level design near the start of the game.
But the endgame content is unmatched.

>>720416814
Politoad and Tyranitar were the faces of the weather wars.

>>720416814
>Gen 3 literally has Groudon and Kyogre
*Tyranitar and explosion feat Salamance

>>720416848
>B/W over Platinum
Don't go too overboard, ok?

>>720416848
Nah, Emerald’s a step below. The dex has tons many shitmons

>>720417008
Every generations have a lot of shitmon, how many times you run tauros?
For everyone one shitty linoone you have a fucking GARDEVOIR YUM YUM

>>720417123
Is this nigger throwing shade at Linoone?!

>>720417123
Tauros was one of the strongest pokemon in gen 1

>>720417123
Tauros is unironically bad for an ingame playthrough.

>>720409667
Scarlet and Violet are the best games in a long time

Shitposting aside bw and the sequels have some decent designs for their mons just there also a bunch that kinda suck. One of my favorite is krookidile

>>720408338 (OP)
>first pokemon game was Red/Yellow when I literally stole it from my teenage neighbor as a child
>played way too much Red
>Yellow was cool for like 3 seconds but I didn't like the Pikachu starter and I didn't know you could get all 3 of the OG starters
>judged how good attacks were by their visual effects and turbo-leveled my starter to oneshot my way through the game
>Play Silver
>Not much memories
>Play Emerald
>Good game, much better than Pearl/Diamond
>Played Pearl/Diamond
>holy fuck these animations are slow but the game is still ok
>Palkia became one of my favourite legendaries (holy fuck did they ever ruin the design lately)
>Played Platinum
>Play Black/White
>Great game
>Play Black/White2
>eh
>Play the Mystery Dungeon games (Blue and then Explorers of Sky)
>absolutely "mogs" mainline pokemon games
>Play X/Y
>I genuinely don't remember anything about this game
>play Sun/Moon
>quit after an hour
>never play another pokemon game again

>>720417386
>looney tunes gator that turns red for no reason
That shit sucks.

>>720416927
I agree, if they fixed the shit levels and made the mon distribution better, I’d replay it more. Johto’s my least favorite 2D region but still better than snoozefests like Alola.

>filler towns
what is shitskin talkin bout

>>720408526
Correct, that's why it killed the franchise.

>>720415040
Is anyone contrarian enough to argue Volcarona was bad?

>>720417493
Go on show us yours

Honestly gen 2 and 4 shouldn't have existed. They're garbage.

>>720417386
He cool, prolly my 2nd favourite ground after Gliscor

>>720417581
My what

>>720417634
your looney tunes gator that turns red

>>720417672
My what

Gen5 was the natural course of the game, after Gen4 being an absolute beast and bringing together all generations to form the best region, they had to run away and start over, that was the whole idea of the anime and the games and I applaud that. That being said, gen5 has the worst design of pokemons, everything I see a pokemon that is off or just plain ugly, I say to myself: "it's a gen5 pokemon", then I go online to check and I am 90% of the times correct. Also, having niche pokemon that the only interesting thing on them was one ability or one move got old really fast.

>>720408338 (OP)
Definitely flawed, but no where near as bad as people make it out to be. It was just okay.

>>720416759
I liked the ability to assign basically everything to the Y button
What's downgraded compared to the Gen 4 games? It's been a bit

>>720417607
gen2 could have been sold as an addon but platinum is pretty good imo

>>720408338 (OP)
No it didn't. BW and BW2 were pretty good.
XY was the start of the fall, but the series was fine until the Sapphire/Ruby remake. Its been a stark decline since that, though.

>>720417883
>everything I see a pokemon that is off or just plain ugly
But enough about Magmortar, Lickylicky, Tangrowth, Spritomb, Lumineon, Carnivine, Purugly, Skuntank, Toxicroak, Rhyperior, and Probopass

>>720408526
>>720409667
>>720411742
>>720412829
>>720413975
shalom

>>720418150
>Toxicroak
Holy shit tas-
>namefag
Yeah, that checks out.

>>720418150
>Spiritomb
Opinion discarded

>>720418150
lol convince me luminosity is worse than any of the other gay fishmons seaking basculin etc

>>720418150
What a stinky shitskin, deport yourself

>>720418150
I can see the others, but Spiritomb?

>>720418150
>Toxicroak
Shut your whore mouth

>>720417883
I think Drapion and Ampibom are some of the worst designs. Rhyperior pretty much ruined the evolution chain. Magmortar and Electevire were also really ugly evolutions, though to be fair those were coming off some of gen 1/2s ugliest designs.

Come to think of it, in general I really dislike almost all of Gen 4's Trade Evolution pokemon design wise.

Also had really dull fossils.

>>720416391
>way better than black and white

>>720418150
>dissing the best eeveelution
how dare

>>720418452
I used her to kill Garchomp once. Twas kino

>>720418395
I like Electivire, but it’s moveset is bootycheeks

>>720415057
people argue this and then defend dexcuts on the same breath
it's been a decade, get over it

>>720418452
Why is it making the mild bobby sauce face

>genwars outside /vp/
woah

>>720418406
Thanks for playing

>>720408526
fpbp gen 6 is where it died

>>720418924
>SALESSALESSALESSALES
So, you admit that FIFA games are the best games humanity has ever made?

>>720416539
>Total Niger Death| Unova
yup thinkin based.

>>720418293
Most "it's just a fish" Pokemon are pretty garbage let's be honest

>>720419032
They're almost at 27 million now by the way, most popular games since the originals

After skimming through gen 5 pokemon i have found another one that i like

>>720408338 (OP)
>>720408526
I stopped playing after BW, maybe I just got too old but I was bored af compared to the hundreds of hours of the other games. I don't understand how anyone could still give a fuck about this series when there's dozens of better RPGs you can play right now. Grow up.

>>720419261
i play other JRPGs as well but pokemon is pretty unique

>>720415040
We didn't know how good we had it, gen 8 and 9 mons make gen 5 mons look like a masterclass in creature design.

>>720419548
Fuck you buddy

>>720419548
Gen 8 fine it is pretty mid but I will not sit back and let people slander my nigga Dachsbun

>>720408338 (OP)
>Chandelure
>Bisharp
>Krookodile
>Haxorus
>My nigga Snivy
>Low HP music and Gym Leader pinch music
>Best male MC design that hasn't been topped since
>Actually interesting plot by a Pokemon game's standards
Nah you're gay

>>720408338 (OP)
>begins the trend of dogshit graphics in Pokemon games

>ITT: MUH KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Gen 5 haters should be shot on sight, shit was kino.

>>720419986
(You)

>>720415040
Wow that's a cool moth I can't wait to use it during my playthrough

>>720419986
>begins
lol

>>720420341
>trades lv 35 Volcarona from BW2 to BW
now we're talking

>>720408338 (OP)
What killed Pokemon was the overreaction towards BW followed by overcorrection from XY.
>You miss old pokemon? Well, here's Charizard in your face for 10 more years with multiple forms and also the strongest champion's ace pokemon. Also, here's a new concept called regional variants but only available for Kanto pokemon until Gen 8. Also, here's a second Kanto remake but with Pokemon Go mechanics. Also-

>>720408338 (OP)
Nothing killed it, it just got less popular after gen 3 until Go made it hyper mainstream

>>720408338 (OP)
I wasn’t a fan of Gen 5 but I grew fonder of it when Gen 6 came along and was so bad that it killed my interest in the series completely. I still haven’t played a mainline Pokemon game after X and Y.

>>720420514
for 1964, on a portable, that was insane. Back then people didn't even had skins on fortinite and the streets still had dinosaurs in walking distance

>>720421221
>it just got less popular after gen 3 until Go made it hyper mainstream
From Gen 3-7 new mainline (introducing a new Gen) Pokémon games sold about 16 million copies with remarkable consistency, only DP sold significantly more but still far less than the GB games

The Pokémon GO craze was in the summer of 2016
Major games released since then:
>Nov. 2016: SM, 16 million
>Nov. 2017: USUM, 9 million
>Nov. 2018: LGPE, 15 million
>Nov. 2019: SwSh, 26 million
>Nov. 2021: BDSP, 15 million
>Jan. 2022: PLA, 15 million
>Nov. 2022: SV, 27 million

Pokémon GO had no significant impact on Gen 7's sales compared to previous Gens.
Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee, released more than two years after Pokémon GO's peak popularity, did perform very well but it's hardly an unprecedented success, it only sold about 400k more units than ORAS did.
Sword and Shield (released >3 years after peak GO) was the first extraordinary success the series has had in almost 20 years, and the consistent success of the other Switch titles (with BDSP and PLA matching LGPE as barely less popular than the old mainline standard) making it clear that it's the Switch audience supporting Pokémon, not a decade-old mobile game.
The success of the Switch itself in terms of units can't explain it on its own either. The DS also sold roughly 150 million units, but Gen 4 was only modestly more successful than other Gens and Gen 5 is the worst-selling pair. Contrast with Gen 8 breaking Gen 2's 20-year sales record and Gen 9 both breaking that record again and going further to be the first Gen to outsell the Gen that came before it on the same console.

>>720411742
that's just the new black/white but its actually shit. black/white was just out when pokemania first finally died. then x and y revived it.

>>720422845
>The Pokémon GO craze was in the summer of 2016

>level 64 evolution
but why?

>>720408338 (OP)
The animated sprites in battle were shit

How can people think that the beginning of the end was anything else but X/Y?

Why not play mario mon?

>>720424815
because mega blastoise and mewtwo rule!

>>720424431
Supposed soulful reference to the first movie that featured Ghidora coming out in 64

I transferred an egg of Deino to my White 2 file and played on challenge mode from the very start and it didn't evolve into Hydreigon until I got the the elite 4

>>720424815
Beginning of the end was actually this dogshit fanbase's visceral reaction against BW at release.

>>720424815
How can it be the beginning of anything when black/white were so fucking awful I never touched a new pokemon game ever again.

>>720408338 (OP)
you're gay
>>720419986
you're stupid

>>720425042
I have, it was fun. I used crystal king, Petey piranha, Mad piano and happy moon.

>>720427475
I made both posts

>>720409667
SV aren't that bad, the performance was just fucking awful. Bugs were mostly due to fucked up open world multiplayer (this was the first time they tried it btw). Switch 2 made it run better so its easily the best of the nugen shit though not a high bar when your competition is a mobile game spin off and Sword/Shield lmao

Hildas ass

>>720408338 (OP)
gen 5 is technically peak but has some flaws.
>best qol
>most of the worst monster designs in the series
>couple of the best
>yay haxorus
>does almost nothing about the ridiculous power creep
>gen 4 looks better imo

>>720415040
Why were the fucking evolution levels so high for pokemon that didn't deserve it.
Damn single stage Pokemon evolving at Level 50+
Not to mention exp scaling was a bitch

>>720429426
The worst part about all of that, the late game stuff wasn't necessarily good. Braviary somehow ended up feeling like diet Staraptor even though one comes at the beginning of its game and the other is at the ass end.