Thread 720413723

Why don't gamers use Linux for gaming?

>>720413723 (OP)
>Why don't gamers use Linux for gaming?
JeetVIDIA and their "frames 4 sale" market.

>>720413723 (OP)
Because as much as Linuxfags like to act most people, not just normalfaggots, like to have a product that doesn't need the amount of tinkering that most Linux distros require. Yes, Mint exists and it's fine but even then you still need to deal with Linux's bullshit EVENTUALLY and still have to deal with the fact that Linux gets barely any support for a lot of shit people do or play on Windows computers.

the more important question is, can you call "people" stuck on windows in 2007 + 18 the true gamers ?

>>720413723 (OP)
I do. Why do you keep making this thread?
>>720413865
But yes, this is the reason other people don't. They got memed into thinking that interacting with a command line interface is equivalent to "coding" and they also got memed into thinking that you need a command line to do things that can actually be done entirely with a mouse on any modern desktop distribution of GNU/Linux. There are plenty of reasons for normies to stay off of Linux though, so I suppose it's just as well that they're so stupid as to mistakenly believe that "having to do everything on a command line" is one of them.
Anyway, shit thread.

>>720413723 (OP)
>casually mogs linux troons
no thanks. debloated windows is all i need.

>>720413723 (OP)
>Linux is so good why dont more people use it?
>Why don't gamers use Linux for gaming?

Linux has the reputation in the general populace as being a very high skill/knowledge floor hobbyist OS. Very high barrier of entry and not a lot of compatibility unless you enjoy getting into the weeds (read: higher knowledge levels) of computing on the whole.

Basically >>720413865 , Windows and Macs have set themselves up as the better "pre-built" solution. Most people when they want to use a computer, they want to use it to do something, play a game, run a program, etc., not dev and troubleshoot the backend of the computer to make said thing work, which is what most people associate with linux.

>>720413723 (OP)
some people feel weird when they use something but didn't have to pay for it
like, the money somehow legitimizes the thing bought

>>720413723 (OP)
if linux is so good why isn't there linux 2?

>>720413723 (OP)
Most people have never installed an OS before and will never will, they will just use what their PC comes with. Why would they change what they're used to? This is especially true for gen Z and gen alpha, having lower tech literacy than boomers.
Windows is completely entrenched in the PC space, and that will never change. It doesn't matter how good Linux gets or how bad Windows gets.

>>720415876
>just get doctoral in comsci, I swear it will make windows good!
no, I'll just play videogames on linux lmao

>>720416794
there was. we're on linux 6 now. maybe next year we'll be on linux 7. most android phones still use linux 4 sadly

>>720416794
>linux 2
There was, for far too long. 15 years. We're on Linux 6 now.

>>720417092
it is literally just copy and pasting a link into terminal and then clicking on buttons.

i play too many online games that wouldn't work because of cucked anti-cheat software

>>720413723 (OP)
It sucks, I'm not touching the console for the most basic thing in 2025

>>720417173
>there's nothing new, but we'll call it 6 because there's too many numbers past the dot in 5, and average linux user can't count past 20
torwalds moment

>>720415876
That dude uses arch Linux.

>>720417362
and he made windows useable, your point?

>>720417362
so he's basically doing charity for special needs people?

>>720417414
This >>720417436

>>720413723 (OP)
>>720415710
because shit don't just work. I installed mint a month ago because win7 is unusable and I refuse to use modern windows.
linux is great for browsing, ricing and light office work. but good fucking luck doing anything other than that.
I needed subtitle edit to ocr pgs subtitles. according to their guthub, the portable version works in linux. great, just install a million libraries from the terminal because I can't find them in the manager and... nothing works.
figured I did something wrong so I uninstalled everything and started fresh. except my package manager is now fucked. nothing is installing or uninstalling. sudo apt --fix-broken does jack shit as do another dozen different commands I found online. after an hour troubleshooting, I try chatgpt because why not and it recommends aptitude. fixed.
so I try again and... nothing. apparently I did nothing wrong, the program is just bugged to hell in linux so you have to take arbitrary paths to get everything set up. note that it comes preconfigured in win11.
so after half a day including a reformat, I got it working. something that would've taken me half an hour in windows, ocr included.
I'm not going back but this shit is why people don't use linux.

I'm moving to linux now that win10 isn't getting support.

>managed to break fucking mint
>I did nothing wrong
I still marvel at people advertising linux to creatures like that one.

>>720418183
This but with steam OS
>Need to install mods or simple shit
>That's gonna be a wasted day at best buddy

>>720413865
fpbp
Took me 4 hours to get firefox to work on my steamdeck, nuff said.

>>720418871
>steam OS
>Need to install mods or simple shit
WINEDLLOVERRIDES="winhttp=n,b" %command%

>>720413723 (OP)
I'd be willing to learn, but I heard that there's a lot of compatibility issues and downright unplayable games even for knowledgeable users, so that's a real turnoff. I want a good alternative to winjeet without the bloatware, but everyone only ever designs for winjeet.

>>720419341
For games, the biggest compatibility hurdles are anti-cheat systems, especially ones that sit at kernel level. Most other games outside of that at the very worse uses some bullshit proprietary system that you have to patch on the windows version as well.

>>720418871
>pirating games
>90% of them don't fucking work
>spend hours concocting unique solutions to unique problems
>too fucking tired to play any of them
Yayyyy linux

glad steam finally added the full stats info on linux so i can finally drop goverlay and mangohud as they seem to give problems to my system with the ssd

>>720419671
>add pirated game to lutris
>set to launch via ge-proton
>just werks
Done in 1 minute. You might just be retarded or using mint in which case you're also retarded.

>>720420389
>use mint
>pirated games just work
>system doesn't try to larp as windows and kill itself with updates

>>720419431
there's also proprietary codecs that require proton-ge to run or the fact that exe files can't be run natively like they can through windows. I mean you could technically use wine but good luck running anything actually intensive with that shit. Theres also rpgmaker games that straight up don't work for whatever reason and some more experimental games that rely on editing windows files such as Atopes or imscared which I am not confident will work.

>>720420591
>or the fact that exe files can't be run natively like they can through windows.
That's mainly because it is compiled with windows sys calls in mind rather than Linux ones, which isn't that hard to translate on the developer side. But yeah, you make good points with the other parts.

>>720420591
>rpgmaker games that straight up don't work for whatever reason
the reason is severe lack of skill on your part

>>720413878
The bar is lower than that. Most people don't know how to flash an iso to a usb and boot into it. And they dont care to learn.
Just turn the computer on, use it, and call someone else if something fucks up

>>720420591
>rpgmaker games
doesn't it just work if you install microsoft core fonts?

>>720420591
>Theres also rpgmaker games that straight up don't work for whatever reason
That's false.
>make wine prefix
>install the rpgmaker package to wine prefix
>run all rpgmaker games using said prefix
You're welcome. Finished BS1 a few days ago, it was kino. Playing SEQUEL Blight now.

>>720419671
>install game
>go on steam
>add exe as non steam game
>run through proton
works 100% of the time.

>>720420712
more like linux wasn't built for gaming in the same sense that windows is. The market knows this which is why no dev wants to touch the linux poo.

gamers already use Linux for gaming, it's called Android

>>720413723 (OP)
because I'm fucking lazy

>>720420895
windows was built for menial office work unlike gaming consoles though
by brown people, for brown people

I heard pewdiepie uses Linux and has his own server on his steam deck. fuck Google

>>720418919
How hard is it to go to Discover > install firefox > launch it?

>>720421003
>I fucking love when Microjew scans the photos on my computer, I love when mr Shekelberg has access to my data!
Why are winjeets like this?
>>720421035
>pewdiepie
He was always based.
>hates jewgle
>moved to japan
>has white wife and son
He won.

>>720421146
I liked him even more when he blasted the nigger word live.

>>720413723 (OP)
linux haters are the incels of computing. they talk up a storm about how complicated and how they aren't able to do certain things but the moment you actually give them advice and tell them what to do, they say it is too much for them, a waste of their time and they would rather wallow in their own shit.

>>720421197
I hate windows so much. Just give me win98 that works with steam

>>720421082
Too hard. Needs to be easy like windows
>open edge
>search firefox
>scroll past ads and find mozilla site
>download exe
>go to downloads
>run exe as admin
>agree to terms
>choose install path
>launch firefox

>>720421250
I don't hate Linux it just seems hard to set up. I can tell you I hate windows more because of how intrusive it's becoming

>>720421308
why the fuck are you using egde?

>>720421082
i don't have a steam deck but I heard steamos is basically just arch and this is what i do:
open terminal
sudo pacman -S firefox
[put in my root passwd]
[press y to confirm]
done, it's that easy

>>720421429
there's a lot of bloat. reformat and install arch. go watch pewdiepie do it. he breaks it down. it is arch

>>720421197
Well nothing is running because its linux and there's nothing to run so of course its faster.

>>720421496
is that not how you install firefox on arch?

>>720421428
He's obviously posting a scenario where you're on a fresh install and only have edge.

OHNONONOONOOOOOO LINUXSISSIES, WHAT HAPPENED? I THOUGHT MORE PEOPLE WERE MOVING TOWARDS LINUX???

>>720421650
i don't really care about the number of people on linux, i am just curious about the rationale of people who refuse to use linux

>>720421003
If explorer's search is good why does start menu search suck so much?

>>720421650
>fedora niggers are a rounding error
god i hate fedora niggers like you wouldnt believe

>>720421736
everything you do in linux is a pain
shit that takes a minute in windows takes half a day of learning about and downloading gbs of dependencies in linux
>just get good lol
yeah even learning about linux takes longer than just double clicking in windows
I wouldn't be using linux if I only had one machine

>>720422528
why? it's as close as you can get to an "official" linux without paying for redhat

>>720413723 (OP)
Most modern gamers are underage, retarded and entitled; they are terribly frightened of having to put in any work or God forbid learn a useful skill. They want everything handed out to them in a silver platter and will gladly take Satya Nutella's cock down their ass if they don't get to actually use their brains for one second.
You only need basic literacy to get a Debian system with dwm that will use less than 100MB of RAM on idle, which is my setup.
My shitbox used to get around 17 to 25 FPS in Cyberpunk 2077 when using Windows, it gets buttery smooth 60 FPS on Debian with umu-launcher. It's not even native!
The only reason one would defend Microshit in current year is because they don't know better, or rather, they don't WANT to know better.

>>720422634
>red hat niggatry
that is precisely the problem

>>720422549
the same rationale can be applied to mac users when talking about windows. In fact that same rationale can be applied in all three ways. linux isn't windows and means that you need to learn it like it is something new. arguably things are actually become easier on linux. something that would take me minutes to do on windows takes me seconds to do on my wm.

>>720413723 (OP)
Windows just works. People here like to pretend like Windows is some unusable hellish experience but the reality is the large majority of people use it everyday with no issue. Why would they change?

>>720421650
Good. The less normalniggers use Linux and shit up the forums, the better.

>>720413723 (OP)
what i am wondering is where is the debian representation? everyone is talking about arch and shit. Debian 13 just came out.

>>720421428
If you took a moment to stop ironing the final wrinkles out of your brain you'd realise it's because that's all windows has until you install something else

>>720423049
Debian really isnt great for gaming for most people. Nvidia drivers improve too rapidly at the moment. No good staying on ancient versions.

>>720422793
I used windows for 30 years and had more issues than I can remember, I just didn't whine about my issues online because I solved them. It was a hellish experience in the last few years. The effort required to solve my issues is way too much now.

>>720423164
nvidia is trash. serves retards right for buying into that smelly green scam

>>720423075
You can install Firefox from winget noob. You don't need edge.

>>720423049
better question is
why don't you use mint grandpa?

As someone who has been using Linux as their daily driver for decades now... I honestly don't even bother telling anyone to use it. If Windows, MacOS, ChromeOS, or whatever works for you, just use it. Experiment with Linux if you have an older piece of hardware laying around. Or dual boot. Might want to keep that Windows OS around just in case.

>>720423308
>winget
just install linux

>>720421428
Damn dawg how'd you mispell edge?

>>720423441
I already use Linux on my gaming pc.

>>720423251
Yeah, anyone that got nvidia in the last 5 years got scammed hard
But most people did fall for it so debian isnt great for them

>>720413723 (OP)
Gamers do. Real games, people who love games as a passion and have been part of the hobby for 20+ years. If you call yourself a gamer and haven't at least TRIED Linux, you're not a gamer, you a poser normie that games sometimes but not an actual hobbyist.

>>720418919
paru -S firefox

>>720413723 (OP)
>Buy computer
>It works
For 99% of people, this is literally all that matters. It just so happens that Windows is the default operating system for almost every single consumer purchase, unless you go out of your way to buy a Mac because you're a faggot liberal on the west coast that worships Steve Jobs for some reason.
You have to go out of your way to use Linux, which means that the market for Linux is reduced to enthusiasts who genuinely care.
That being said, Linux is slowly growing in popularity purely because Windows is so disgustingly anti-consumer that it's just getting intolerable. And Mac operating systems have just never been genuine competition, period, especially in gaming.

>>720413723 (OP)
It's too computer-y.

>GUI OSes
Gross, give me command prompt or no deal

I've thought a lot about swapping to Linux but the friend I have that's a diehard Linux fan has issues doing literally almost anything
>DNDBeyond shitting the bed constantly
>Roll20 shitting the bed constantly
>he couldn't get Deadlock running on it
>various other issues of any random fucking game or app
It could be he's just mildly retarded (he is heavily autistic) but I don't fucking know. I really don't want to move to Win11 tho.

>>720424462
As an expert windows user who didn't want to buy a license for windows 11, so I moved to Linux - that sounds suspiciously user error. There are definitely things that can be difficult to get running, but it's not that common to have issues that aren't solved by protonge. (As far as gaming goes anyway.)

>>720422178
It sucks on purpose so you accidentally open Windows Explo- Edge

>>720424462
>web browser
>web browser
>linux naitive
Yeah I think it was some serious user error here

>>720424462
The first two are literally just web pages and I'm pretty sure deadlock is deck verified? Maybe your mate is just a mong

>>720418183
my experience is that "noob friendly" distros are anything but that, and youtubers are actively doing users a disservice by recommending them. i honestly believe there is a strong correlation between tech support threads on /g/ and whether or not SOG have made another "hi eye q" video showcasing some shitty distro he doesn't use.

>>720424123
>buy computer
you didn't beat the game

>>720424462
Using Roll20 on my Linux distro constantly without issue, skill issue

>>720421197
>almost 2 year old windows build
lol

>>720427802
>you-u're using the wrong distro
troondows, troondows never changes

>>720427873
I was going to ask if you were retarded, but I already know the answer

>>720427913
post your webm of doing the same thing on 2 days old windows build

>>720427973
I can't because it doesn't happen

>>720413723 (OP)
>why don't more people use it
Most people are retards

>>720413865
LOL linux users are still stuck using DOS mode in 2025

>>720413723 (OP)
>>720413723 (OP)
>11 results found

Stop. Get off 4chan, then immediately get professional help.

>>720427996
>I can't because it doesn't work
it's so over for windows

>>720428167
it works but I can't "do the same thing" because it does not have the same laggy error as your webm. Sorry this is too complicated for you to understand

>>720427996
>his os doesn't launch after the last update broke his SSD
that's $139.00 plus taxes

>>720428248
>it works but I can't show it
it's so over for windows bros

>>720428273
didn't happen to me, I'm not brown.

i am so lazy and drunk and retarded can't you just accept that? i hate entering command prompts and having to do extra steps just to use a computer. things used to be so easy. even using windows is a pain in the ass in recent years if you want anything to work.

What the fuck is this garbage, I can't change my color depth to 10 bits, fuck Loonix

why don't you virtualize either os and use gpu passthrough? Most gamers still play single player games. Hyper-v and qemu/vfio are still great type 1 hypervisor..

>>720428402
Yikes. You have many problems including a Nvidia driver that was out of date a year ago.

>>720428273
>Reports have been circulating for the past few weeks that recent Windows 11 updates (KB5063878 and KB5062660) were causing some SSDs using Phison controllers to fail. While plenty of YouTube and TikTok videos have blamed Microsoft for the issues, Phison has identified “early versions of firmware and BIOS” as the problem instead.

>“Many of the reports originate from media testing conducted on hardware running early versions of firmware and BIOS,” says Michael Wu, GM and President of Phison US, in a statement to The Verge. “These versions are performance preview drives and are not identical to those provided to end users through official distribution channels. We have observed that outdated firmware is still being used on some SSDs and we encourage any reviewers facing this to leverage updated channel firmware readily available through manufacturer-provided update utilities.”

>YouTuber JayzTwoCents claimed last week that the “Windows update and SSD problem is WAY worse than we thought!” JayzTwoCents showed a Crucial T500 drive (with a Phison E25 controller) failing after Microsoft’s latest Windows 11 security updates, and needing a power cycle to come back to life. In a new video responding to Phison’s claims, JayzTwoCents reveals he was using a beta motherboard BIOS version, and upgrading the BIOS version fixed his SSD issues.
Debunked.

What do you Linux users do when a new game gets announced and you wanna buy it but don't know if it's Steam 'Eck compatible? And no ProtonDB page
Do you just cry? Say "man, I want this game but I don't know if it'll work"

>>720428739
If it's a single player game, it'd most likely be compatible unless if they do some fucked stuff in the background.
If it's a multiplayer game, same deal.
If it's a multiplayer game with kernel level anti-cheat, I'm shit out of luck probably for the best, kernel level anti-cheat is fucked.

>>720413723 (OP)
>tek syndacte
Damn, I haven't heard from that guy and his crew in fucking years. Since like 2017ish. I'm glad he's still making videos. Thats cool

>>720428739
nigger just buy it and if it doesnt work, steam offers easy refunds on games. especially if it doesnt work. i havent had a game not just work. i was up when palworld dropped and downloaded it and played it within minutes.

>>720428739
I just buy it and play it. If it doesn't work, I'd refund it. That said, I don't preorder shit that might not even be good in the first place, so by the time I decide to play something I already know it will work.

>>720428815
>>tek syndacte
>Damn, I haven't heard from that guy and his crew in fucking years. Since like 2017ish. I'm glad he's still making videos. Thats cool

everybody watched it for Wendell

>>720428739
What do you windows users do when the game you want to play destroy your hardware? Do you just cry, or are you used to it by now?

>>720413723 (OP)
Because "gamers" are the most brain dead trend following faggots of all normalfags.

>>720429043
>What do you windows users do when the game you want to play destroy your hardware
this has never happened even once though

>>720413878
i'm hoping pewdiepie's video jumpstarts linux as much or even more than when steam adopted it.
windows fucking sucks, thank god for ltsc cuz i'm not looking forward to 11

>>720429043
Can't he spam DEL and get into the bios? What the fuck

Linux already has more than enough users. No need for the average microsoft mongrel to switch.

Security through obscurity.

Linux fags are mentally ill. The OS is made bad on purpose just so people don't use it, so they can maintain their niche hipster community and jerk off over being a minority. They don't want the OS to be good.
To do literally anything on linux you need to have windows with internet access to look up commands.

If you want to install steam you don't just go to the steam site and hit download. You google search what command installs steam and make sure it's the right version and then you go in the terminal and type ''sudo apt instal_linux)(Steam15xnnV.1248a-64xI_am_a_tranny_linuxfaggot41%''
The fact that you have to write ''sudo apt'' before every action. The fact that you need the exact command to get what you want.

>>720429189
You lost the plot, your cope should be it was a good thing.

>>720429318
But it's not sudo apt
It's pacman
Or dnf
Because Linux users can't stick to one thing that works instead of millions that don't

>>720429318
speaking truth saar, windows good os made by smartest Indian #1 people!

>>720421280
hopefully 11 ltsc is good

>>720429027
Their falling out was pretty sad but at least Wendell has his own channel now

>>720413723 (OP)
i support linux but i dont care about putting in the effort to get an OS that just does the same thing as windows

ill probably upgrade to linux when the compatibility issues become non-existent. i.e. it takes 0 effort just like windows

until then, i'm gonna use microjeet

>>720428337
>one is a pain in the ass because of freedom
>one is a pain in the ass to limit your freedom
yin fucking yang

Anyone working in the real world need their programs that works for them and GIMP is not a photoshop replacement you fucking fags.

>>720429652
>I'll use Linux when it stops being Linux and is just rebranded Windows
word

>>720413723 (OP)
but I use it for gaming

did you guys know that MacOS is actually built more closely related to Linux then Windows is

>>720429780
sure if all Linux is to you is customizing gay shit and wasting time tinkering around with shit like a troon.

only thing i like about linux is that it doesn't carry microsoft spyware/tracking/adware.

couldn't give a fuck about having a specialized linux distro for your bad dragon dildo

>>720429762
If you use photoshop/adobe for work why are you not on MacOS

>>720429780
This fag here is the main problem with linux. It's not about making an OS that is free and doesn't have bloatware. It's about being a special snowflake and using an inferior OS for trans rights.
People just want windows without the xbox app store and cortana, and they don't want to pay 500 dollars + tip to use a computer because a single company holds the monopoly on operating software.

>>720413723 (OP)
Just make a distro that is as close to windows as possible, then the horror will end. Ease people into Linux and they will either stick with WinDux or start experimenting on their own.

>>720430082
>People just want windows without the xbox app store and cortana,
not enough people want that for it to exist yet

>>720430163
Why do you faggots think it's just the UI part when Linux barely works
Wayland vs X11, no proper HDR, no VRR, the Nvidia settings suck
Too many options, no good driver support, no proper program support like Adobe, crashes, even the install crashed.
Having to use Wine or Proton because nothing works natively, choosing what proton because there's always something breaking

>>720430260
It doesn't exist because linux sent everyone wanting it to go waste their life on fucking linux. All the people who had talent and skill to make an OS were groomed and snatched up by linux, most of them trooning out and killing themselves
Linux has been the biggest reason for why windows dominates. Midwit retards will much rather write sudo apt sudo apt sudo apt sudo apt every time they want to move the mouse than just have a functional OS because the terminal makes them feel like a hacker.

>>720413723 (OP)
Windows just werk

>>720415710
its not about "muh coding". Its memorizing all the dumb commands with names from the 80s that have no relevance to the current person.
The is a giant wall of entry. If I were to go to my grandma with 2 pcs (+essentials), one is using one of the million linux distros and the other uses windows 11, and I give her the task of opening the internet browser, which do you think will actually get her on the internet? I doubt that even after a full day that she would be able to browse the internet with linux.

>>720430746
Just click the desktop icon nigger. What is with you retards that think there is no GUI on Linux at all?

>>720430746
She would just click the firefox shortcut on either of them
What are you talking about

>>720430163
You can make the shell look like windows, plenty of distros have. But at the end of the day they are two different operation systems and will never function exactly the same.

Why people even want that I don't understand. Just stick with windows at that point. It's not THAT hard to de-cancer it.

>>720430969
They are looking for an excuse to switch to 11. Like cattle being led to a slaughterhouse, they know it wont end up well, but don't have human will to do anything about it.

>>720428739
Same thing I did when I used Windows, wait for a few months of patches so I don't have to play the game in the unfinished beta state.

>>720431152
>slaughterhouse
nigga, it's a different OS not the covid vaccine you troon.

I'm not "switching", I'm doing nothing which means I end up with windows. I'd like to be on Linux but the benefit of switching to Linux doesn't outweigh the inconveniences plus the fact that it's not compelling enough to make me want to put in effort to switch

Linuxtards need to realize that for people to make the transition the following needs to be true
>Highly compatible with existing software
>Zero or minimal learning curve
>A good reason to choose linux (performant, less bloat) and not a troon reason (obsession with OSS, want a special troon distro, want to seem like a hacker etc)

>>720431313
>>Highly compatible with existing software
How in the fuck do you expect that when a) different systems require different sys calls and b) it would be up to developers to make native software. You are asking for Linux to replicate Windows sys calls 1:1 which is fucking insanity.

>>720431313
You have to understand that strangers on the internet are not your mother, so your temper tantrums won't solve the issue.

>another linux shill thread
You retards can't even get an installer to work without shitting itself, then blame it on the user for not troubleshooting for 3 hours and doing everything in a terminal.
Your alternative is shit, so people will put up with Windows trash until an actual valid alternative will arrive. No, apple is not better.

Because games don't work on linux

>>720431653
>games
>posts battlefield
what did xhe mean by this?

>I won't use Linux if my software isn't on there.
>I won't make a Linux version of my software if users aren't on there
How do you break this scenario? There are only so many translated system calls you can do.

>>720431653
To be fair, if you actually accept and want companies to install rootkit malware onto your computer, I think sticking with Windows is still the best plan.

>>720431753
There's enough alternatives that you're not chained to one system. If companies want to give up a market, that's on them.

>>720431753
The answer is you force the issue by making something like dxvk or the Steam Deck and watch as major publishers tie themselves in knots trying to justify why they're intentionally breaking shit and paying more and more ridiculous shills.

>>720413723 (OP)
I don't have the willpower to learn a new OS that requires me to larp as a hacker to only get 15-20% improved performance
I honestly rather pay for better hardware if I'm somehow suddenly desiring to play AAA games

>>720413723 (OP)
Nothing works shitsux

>>720431753
For 99% of cases, just switch to a Linux/cross platform equivalent of the software.

At this point I think Photoshop might be the only major holdout that doesn't have any real alternatives. At least for the average user. Obviously companies will still cling on to MS Word or whatever until the end of their days.

>>720430309
So it'll be like the early 2000s all over again, sounds great, normies don't belong on this hobby anyway.

>>720432201
I know for a fact excel will be held onto because of how many macros and excel sheets are being used for legacy software that would be a fucking nightmare to refactor at this point.

>>720432267
That's fair, as I said there will always be companies that hold on to their current workflow until the day they die. But I was thinking more about the average/private user.

>>720418919
Excellent, please keep getting filtered

>>720418919
Nobody here realized that the Steamdeck comes preinstalled with firefox.
Something that personally annoys me but I get it but also why in addition to firefox being installed they included a shell script to badger you to install firefox CONSTANTLY and it's set as the second highest priority for opening web applications

from these dumbass circular threads one can come to conclusion that
>Windows is a surveillance hellscape with Microsoft sending ninjindians to spy through your home's windows in person
>None of the programs actually work on it
>OS itself is also merely making a illusion of it working
>Linux is Win95 meme tier OS where you have to reboot PC after moving your mouse
>programs don't work on it either by default
>if you asking for help in making them work, you have to write 30 A4 page essay explaining why you need it to work
>the only advantage it has over windows is that it makes user feel like a hackerperson
>MacOS

>>720413946
>can you call all the people that can play all the games gamers?
yes.
can you call people who can ONLY play the latest single player only games fresh out of 2004 actual gamers?

>>720433523
2004 was the last year of good games so maybe.

>>720422883
Yea, how dare people point out inconveniences that windows 95 already solved 3 decades ago and the bugs that never get fixed thanks to open source idiolegy that the one random github maintainer will never stop maintain it

>>720422678
>I'm unemployed and retarded and don't see benefits in convenience
No you moron, noone wants to troubleshoot someone elses work after a day at work. In fact, it would be even easier to build a OS from scratch than figure out what mental retardation "Linux devs" suffer from.

>>720415876
This. Been running win11ame for two years now with zero issues. It just werks and stays the fuck out of my way.

>How in the fuck do you expect that when a) different systems require different sys calls and b) it would be up to developers to make native software. You are asking for Linux to replicate Windows sys calls 1:1 which is fucking insanity.

I'm not asking for anything, I'm just saying that's what it would take for me (and probably most users) to switch.

Why would I switch to an OS where my programs DONT run? That's a little retarded isnt it?

If you can't reach that threshold then I'll probably do what most people do and continue doing nothing and stick with windows 11

>>720431535
???
not everyone is malding all the time like you timmy

>>720434793
>reddit spacing
nobody asked, go back

>>720420721
Yea normies don't care obv. They buy iPhones and shit. They don't know anything beyond how to use a mkb and copy-paste. That's all they need. If I didn't know any better I would be the same

>>720434992
>nobody asked
read the title of the thread retard

>>720434793
I was asking that to ask what the fuck do you expect Linux to do to rectify that issue?

>>720435361
this is why people hate linux faggots.

either fix the compatibility issues or don't. i'm not proposing solutions, just saying that's what has to be done for people to seriously consider switching. you're too busy thinking of it from a retarded programmer perspective like a pajeet code monkey instead of understanding the product and it's space in the market

most people don't care enough to go on 4chan or reddit or whatever to say they won't use linux. they just won't use linux and then linux stays unpopular except for programmers and tech nerds.

>>720435670
Then stop fucking blaming Linux for something that is on developers of programs to fix.

>>720413865
you have actual desktop enviroments in 2025 and you don't even need to open the console nowadays

>>720413865
"people should never have to use a command line prompt" was one of the very few things steve jobs was completely right about.

>>720436006
>computer comes with keyboard.
>its ergonomic to use.
>you should never have to use it to interact with the computer
steve jobs and bill gates are the reason computers are so shit

>>720428739
>What do you Linux users do when a new game gets announced and you wanna buy it but don't know if it's Steam 'Eck compatible?
All single player games will work on linux and you can tell if a multiplayer game will work based on the anticheat they are using. Lots of games aren't checked for 'eck compatibility but they are perfectly playable. If you still buy a multiplayer game that doesn't run on linux because the devs deliberately did so, you can just get a refund

>>720429318
arch has the best wiki ever made, a literal retard could go there and learn everything they need quicker than you would in windows with their pajeet tech support

>>720433523
Are you talking about windows 7 users or something? I don't see how that's relevant to the conversation.

>>720415876
>Trusting an ISO made by some youtuber you've never met
Ew no thanks. I'll just use Linux.

>>720419341
That's just not true. The only games that don't work are multiplayer games with kernel level anticheat, and honestly you're better off without those because they're literal spyware. Aside from that, quite literally every game just works.

It is hard to set up a lot of built in GPU features due to the lack of control centres like Adrenaline.

>>720438183
LACT does everything I need

>>720413723 (OP)
Retards get recommended shit distros that masquerade as plug and play I'm place of Ubuntu because "muh bloat" is genuinely their argument to throw someone that probably is scared of pasting something into terminal straight into a meat grinder with less support and documentation to be found when a problem inevitably arises.

>muh mint
Slow updates and very poor quantities of documentation available. I learned on it. Big waste of time especially if I wasn't interested in learning and just wanted to get away from Windows.

>Arch/some other shit
Fuck you. People want what's basically a SteamOS not to leap over a bunch of arbitrary hurdles to install Steam.

>>720413878
Mint is Great Value Ubuntu for hipsters and a piece of fucking shit for the average 'I want to game on Linux' newfag

>>720438065
Certain Lutris runners can get around this but Lutris will take a newcomer who doesn't understand file directories a few hours to learn.

Most cheapass indie devs can make a Linux build with a few clicks, why won't they do it?

>>720436006
You don't need to with distros like mint.

>>720438563
Wait are you saying lutris can let you run kernel level anticheat games? I don't think that's possible bacause it still uses wine/proton and those simply don't support kernel level stuff.

>>720413723 (OP)
>go to school
>learn to use windows
>buy a gaymen computer
>it has windows installed
its really is that simple

I really think that Windows users vastly underestimate how good Proton is now.
For like 90%+ of games you don't even have to check compatibility anymore, it just works.
This goes for new releases as well.
Chances are that if a game doesn't work on Linux the developers are actively sabotaging Linux users (kernel level anticheat).

>>720428739
I wait a couple days after release like you should do anyway to see if the game is even good in the first place. Seriously, don't tell me you actually preorder games regularly in 2010+15.