Thread 720420646

Besides the part where he threw away a shitload of his kids he's not that bad of a ruler in all honesty.

>>720420646 (OP)
I feel like doing that alone is pretty bad enough

He bankrupted a kingdom buying sawblades

>>720420904
>Gives bugs free will
>Lets other factions like the Hive, the Mantis Tribe, Deepnest, and the people of Greenpath stay around instead of genociding them
>Actively works to protect them from infections like the Radiance's return and Lifeblood
>Shut down the Soul Sanctum as soon as he found out that they were using souls
HE DISCOVERED HALLOWNEST IS WHAT HE DID. HE WAS A BRAVE WYRM. AND ON THIS SITE THE PALE KING IS A HERO, END OF STORY.

Is Grandmother Silk also a Wyrm? Why does she get to control Pharloom like the Pale King did with Hallownest?

>>720421239
She's a Pale Being, which is a specific category of God that both she, the Pale King, and the White Lady all fall under. Presumably because they're all entities of Soul.

release the sawblade shopping list

>>720421824
No.

>>720421054
>Shut down the Soul Sanctum as soon as he figured out they were using souls
It's in the fucking name. Is he stupid?

>>720420646 (OP)
i think the whole vessel project was really just an excuse to turn himself into a shota and have /ss/ with his tree wife 24/7

>>720420646 (OP)
no cost too great

>>720424706
maybe he thought they were researching how to make videogames good again

>>720421824
white palace is in the dream realm so he didn't actually buy all the sawblades, he really wanted to though.

>>720420646 (OP)
>build extremely normal kingdom
>pack your palace full of fucking sawblades

>>720425216
He like to live on the edge.

>>720425147
The White Palace used to be real. It got rekt so he went to live inside a memory of it and died of humiliation and grief.

>>720420646 (OP)
he had a huge ego claiming Hallownest was the FIRST AND ONLY civilization which is blindingly obviously a lie even ignoring pharloom.

Absolute Monarchy of the White Man is the best form of government.

>>720420646 (OP)
So like why DID he make himself smaller? He could have stayed a big wyrm, wrap himself around his kingdom and gain endless worship.

>>720425379
so he could fuck hornet's mom

>>720425326
all pale beings have egos. It’s in their blood. Silksong confirms this. Even Hornet is susceptible to it.

>>720425326
actually it's very consistent with every other democracy or communism pretending they are the first ones. Guy prob saw Pharloom and went "wow this is fucking africa shit"

>>720425379
To better mingle with and lead the bugs.
not all the higher beings are psychos like Silk or Radiance. Pale King was good and by all account that big fat slug Uum was genuinely beloved by his followers.

>>720424706
He probably wasn't expecting them to be murdering thousands of citizens to harness their soul and instead thought they'd be using the soul totems or their own fucking soul instead

>>720425326
>claiming Hallownest was the FIRST AND ONLY civilization
>FIRST
it says the opposite

>>720425379
/ss/

>>720421054
Thanks for the rundown Tone

>pale king
>instantly orders a shut down when soul master starts fucking up with soul
>despite this he never mind controlled him so Soul master ignores him and continues his experiments in secret
>Grand Mother Silk
>forcibly injects her subjects so they could keep working forever
>if you die you get revived so you can continue working wagie
What the actual FUCK was her problem?

>>720425520
kino. pharloom could never be as cool as hallownest.

Pale king was so much better than Grandmother Silk. Again men reign supreme over women

>>720425623
trauma of weavers leaving, maybe she was normal before that

>>720425520
Also I read this as propaganda. Not that he believes it, but he's blowing smoke up his subjects' collective asses. It's why all the signs are allegedly for "higher beings" but really can be read by anyone. It makes the average Hallownest bug think they're special and they live in a great place and should never leave.

Why were they so desperate for weavers when grandmother silk was very much alive and spinning threads two rooms away?

imagine the sex

>>720425623
Woman moment

>>720425828
forever tied up white lady fully delitized and loving it

>>720425828
Well, if she has the sort of control over her roots like greyroot does….

>>720425828
What a little slut.

>>720425828
I never got this. If she’s an insatiable breeder, how come her and PK never had kids before?

>>720426257
Anon...how do you think all the vessels were made? They're all their kids, including the hollow knight, and the little ghost. Only Hornet was had a different mother.

>>720426257
Nigga, all the vessels in the abyss are PK and WL offspring, hundreds maybe thousands of eggs thrown into the void

>>720426257
Worm Man imposed a mandatory void abortion policy

>>720426341
>>720426365
I meant before that you fucking retards. They seemed to be happily married before radiance.

>>720425216
Budget :
Roads $50
Citizen Welfare $60
Sawblades $5000
Candles $50

>>720426257
maybe they did have some before the whole hollow knight experiment, but the children were more normal and either died or left hallownest long before the events of the game

>>720426450
there is no before

>>720420646 (OP)
He introduced currency which means taxes, classism, and wageslaving. He was objectively evil for that

>>720426450
>I meant before that you fucking retards
Nothing in the original comment suggests that, maybe you don't know how to express yourself, just take the L

>>720424706
They were literally murdering and experimenting on innocent citizens. Of course he shut that shit down.

>>720425379
Because he explicitly wanted to live amongst and understand the people he ruled over. Despite the memes, the Pale King was neither a tyrant nor some distant monarch - he actually lived with and shared in the struggles of building up his kingdom alongside the common bug.

>>720425326
>>720425435
To be entirely fucking fair, literally anyone sane would try to pretend Pharloom doesn't exist (and hope it doesn't notice them) if they knew the truth about what it was actually like.

>>720425379
only pathetic and weak gods need their divine form to bring worship out of their subjects.

>>720425675
No, she pretty explicitly was completely terrible even before then. Well before then actually - she genocided all the prior civilizations that existed in Pharloom's region before founding it's one of her very first acts.

>>720426870
wheere is it stated?

>>720421054
THAT'S RIGHT PEDIPALP SUCKER, GO BACK TO HALLOWNEST
>Mother Silky
DON'T MOTHER SILKY ME, TAKE THAT PALE SHIT AND GET OFF MY BLASTED STEPS

>>720426870
she also made her weavers out of regular pharlids (arachnids) and lied to them about being divine.
she probably would've had infinitely less trouble with them if she just told them the truth
>hey yeah i made you out of that stupid thing over there but its cool being a thinking being right? anyways mind helping me rule my land

>>720426967
It's scattered all over, but big reveals relating to her civilization and the Weavers feature in stuff like the First Sinner's lore, several characters lines relating to her and Pharloom's distant past, the one place where her 'trophies' are kept and the stuff leading up to the Cradle.

>>720427962
i had brain farts reading half of the dialogue in the game, so i've got that she tried to capture weavers after they left, and that first sinner was the first to revolt, but only that

>>720421054
Do you think Tawa/YHWH was wrong for creating whites, Asians, arabs, etc...?

>>720425623
Average black female supervisor right there.

>>720427239
The Weavers probably still would have rebelled eventually anyway, jsut given how uncaring and cruel she was to everything around her. It might have taken longer if she was earnest with them about their origins, but when she's putting a tax on breathing for the common people, ripping out people's souls whilst they're still alive to make lamps, injecting so much silk into people that it embeds itself in the genetic code of their children and children's children, making it so that dying/being sick is highly illegal and you'll be punished/tortured over it and brought back to keep working if you ever actually die and a laundry list of other war crimes, it's only a matter of time before enough is enough.

>>720420646 (OP)
is that the protagonist from the first game or something?

>>720428615
I think it's the games version of god.

>>720427239
>>720428520
WTF is wrong with her? This shit makes the Pale King look like a saint. Powertripping x1000??

>>720428615
Do you think people will ever find out how exactly did he create all of the different races?

I think most people view him as a fictional character or something.

>>720425432
funny how little ghost, the strongest being now, doesnt have an ounce of ego

>>720428647
whats this about? how different countries etched the sun in ancient times or something?

>>720428947
yes, and naturally the people in ancient times all thought the sun was god.

>>720425698
duh pale king was an anomaly. most if not all higher being were assholes. only he was benevolent. you want your subjects to move to that shit hole pharloom to be abused by some silk fuck?

>>720428743
Grandma Silk and the Radiance are the norm for Higher Beings.
Hallownest only worked because Unn, PK and the White Lady weren't psychos.
Also Grimm is relatively harmless if opportunistic

>>720427102
pale king was much stronger than silk mother

>>720424978
Kek

>>720428947
The first religion was sun worship. After that he created the first human women by giving her a soul.

I think he probably was experimenting with what we find attractive about the opposite sex. Out of these creations Satan was birth. Satan was and always has been gay/trans.

>>720420646 (OP)
If I have a nickel for every indie game that got released in mid 2010s to feature a child murdering king that ruled an underground kingdom, I would have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice.

>>720428947
The creation of races probably came after this. Did he make them before or after the domestication of the first wolf? Did he make Asians first?

>>720429049
>grimm is just a god that eats nightmares to sustain itself
what a bro honestly
imagine if a god actually struck a deal with grimm to keep him around and deal with the kingdom's nightmares as they pop up.
the people are happier, the god benefits, grimm benefits, i fail to see a downside.

>>720421054
>>720424706
>the soul sanctum… uses souls?!?!

>>720429390
Sheesh, open a planned parenthood while you’re at it…

>>720429474
Grimm needs to leave eventually to perform his ritual to pass on his power to the Grimmchild, since he's really just a mortal avatar for the Nightmare Heart.

>>720429738
still, point the child back to the kingdom, or surely the nightmare heart could point it in that direction.

>>720428743
woman moment
same with the radiance really

>>720429007
White Lady and Unn seem pretty chill, but it's more that they didn't care about ruling. No surprise that among immortal demigods a bunch of them were neets and sluts, and not conquerors.

>>720429560
What are you babbling about?

>>720428947
The only thing I wonder is if the trauma of being bred is still felt today. I also wonder if it's more extreme on Asians or whites.

>>720430008
Weirdly enough, silksong confirms that pale beings are naturally inclined to be conquerors and be the one true ruler. Like an animal instinct. Yet WL doesn't seem to rule or order worship and even lived with the pale king.

>>720425327
>kingdom where the economy didn't collapse
zozzle
the funniest thing is that ruins of hallownest were already a spot for adventurers and pillagers, so trade persisting among them is not surprising
but act 3 might as well be literal end of the world for the average pilgrim, but everybody still alive remains a massive jew

>>720428915
He is the absolute polar opposite to a pale beng.

>>720430234
WL would do it through breeding and propagation, could even be like the Twisted Bud but for every bug.
But she knows that side of her is bad, so she doesn't.

>>720430234
if you mean that comment hornet gives to caretaker before the spellsnare quest, i assumed it was about her being a spider, especially since ending 1 (and all other interactions with weavers) involve her eating them to gain their power

>>720425698
>It makes the average Hallownest bug think they're special and they live in a great place and should never leave.
I mean, yeah. They are. By being in Hallownest, they are objectively better and better off than the rest. The Pale King made everything better for everyone and made them better in turn

I WANT TO PLAY SILKSONG BUT I CAN'T FUCKING BEAT GODDAMN GODMASTER AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!

>>720430693
But in the end it turned out that the religious status quo exists for a reason, he went too far too fast with his white man's burden colonizing.

>>720429390
Asgore is the worse of he two because he had the opportunity to leave after one child soul and collect humans on the outside. He was too cowardly for that option though which is why Toriel absolutely despises him.

Pale king managed fill a bottomless pit with dead children trying to stop the Radiance from mind controlling everyone in existence, hes a chad.

>>720430808
I beat everything except Path of Pain and Pantheon of Hallownest, but I've lost motivation to get further on Act 2 in Silksong. That shit is brutal.

>>720430876
>parrotting a woman's complaints
it's almost as if the whole tragedy is about how asgores are too soft to actually commit to human-killing and stuck doing half-measures

>>720420904
>>720421054
>bugs raising kids like how bugs do is bad
Okay there buddy

>>720430876
toriel hates him for choosing the worst of both worlds, but let's not act like that bitch wasn't any more of a coward herself

>>720420646 (OP)
"Only a fool would mess with void"

>>720430876
The thing is, if Asgore would do that, he may easily get killed just like Asriel even if he's fighting back
Even the old guy thinks that too
>Long ago, ASGORE and I agreed that escaping would be pointless...
>Since once we left, humans would just kill us.
>I felt a little betrayed when he eventually changed his mind.
And besides, it's not like in Hollow Knight were there was a NEED to get out of the underground. The monsters were doing just fine until you came down

And hey, storing those souls proved to be a good idea in the true pacifist ending

>>720430941
>That shit is brutal.
Is Silksong really that difficult? Is it that much harder than HK? Haven't player it yet

>>720431586
>The monsters were doing just fine until you came down
they make a point of saying that the underground is getting crowded because of overpopulation. plus, they're all on the verge of giving up hope for their freedom which sustained them for this long. they don't necessarily NEED to escape but things may get ugly if they don't do it eventually.

>>720421012
Imagine you're about to explain to your king that Moth Satan has returned after also informing him just last week he bankrupted his entire kingdom for his autistic fixation

>>720431830
Double damage is much more common, bosses have more HP on average, some bench runbacks are very annoying, and you have to manage your currency more carefully

>>720431830
not him, but yes, it's quite difficult. about half of all enemies and the vast majority of bosses deal 2 masks per hit, enemy AI is more complex and difficult to outmaneuver, and the platforming is harder. you do get more tricks and mechanics to use, but there are also more gimmicks and a lot more trolling to put up with. the game is significantly harder than hollow knight while also being much bigger and longer

>>720431830
Only thing thats harder is that a lot more enemies do double damage now (pretty much every boss does) and your overall dps is gutted.

>>720431830
Apparently every enemy with a projectile is 2016 Curry

>>720431840
That's what I meant when I said they were doing fine until you came. The timing of you coming to underground was pretty good.
But before that, there wasn't an urgent need to break the barrier

Why did he fill that one area with saw blades though

>>720431830
Part of it is a numbers issue. You deal substantially less damage, have less HP, enemies deal more damage, and have more health than in HK. In HK if you were struggling you could play defensively and learn the moveset, that process is delayed in SS since enemies are faster, you can take 3 hits on a good run, and run backs are longer so you're spending less time learning the boss. Mechanics and upgrades are more backloaded so you will find yourself playing through more of the game with less options. The developers also fell into the Fromsoft trap of:
>Well the player has spent the last 7 years mastering HK, how do we still challenge them
So gotchas, delays, fake-outs, and odd parry timings are just part of the normal gameplay now to add friction

>>720420646 (OP)
>threw away a shitload of his kids
How is that bad? They were just mindless void homonculi, not actual sentient beings.

>>720431830
It's definitely harder than 90% of HK, but that's a good thing. HK was piss easy in terms of the exploration and the vast majority of rooms, and only had the rare super hard optional areas and bosses. Silksong is just much more consistent in terms of difficulty. I haven't finished yet, but so far the difficulty peaks in HK with the white palace/path of pain and zote/grimm/pantheon were much higher than anything in Silksong. It's just that the normal areas are properly challenging now.

>>720433062
They weren't. They became that after he threw them there

>>720431830
No that anons just a shitter

>>720420646 (OP)
>Besides the part where he threw away a shitload of his kids
???
We've been doing that to pictures of Hornet for years now.

>>720431830
having replayed up to hornet yesterday, yeah at least in the early parts HK was a million times easier, and unfocused frankly, the platforming in greenpath seems like it was designed in one afternoon

>>720425475
Murdering thousands is okay when the Pale King does it.

>>720433210
>They became that after he threw them there
what? where are you getting that?

>>720433062
The whole point of his plan was to keep throwing them out until he had something that seemingly WAS mindless void homonculi.

>>720433513
It's all worth is because it produced MY GOAT in the end.

>>720433513
Cool it with the antisemitism

>>720433513
The soul nerds were doing mass murder purely for selfish reasons, to make themselves more powerful. Pale King's mass murder was at least in service of saving the kingdom.

but what was that whole thing about Hallownest being the "first and only" kingdom? did he just wanna sway bugs to seek out the other societies because he knew how bad they were, or is Hallownest so old it predates every other society?

>>720425698
I mean there is definitely something to PK's words about Hallownest, because most bugs seem to lose their memory and higher reasoning when they go out into the wastes instead of staying in Hallownest.

>>720433809
Pharloom makes him seethe because he had to bend the knee to big deepnest cock while Mother silk dabbed on all her subjects

>>720433513
No cost too great.

>>720433513
At least the Pale King murdered thousands of his own. Think about it, he didn't genocide his own subjects to save the kingdom, he said "ok if I'm gonna do something terrible as this I'm not gonna do it to someone else, it's gonna be my kids"

What is the point of the Magnet Brooch in Silksong if all the environmental hazards destroy the Rosaries anyway? The problem isn't that they fall all around the place, the problem is that falling on a spike or saw destroys them.

>>720434180
Laziness, I don't want to spend the second or so per enemy running back over their body to grab the shinies while pogoing onward.

>>720434424
Is it widow? How the fuck you are not saved on the bench to the left so get back in like 15 seconds?

>>720420646 (OP)
>>720421054
Pale King is a FAGGOT.
>Radiance chilling at home with her moths
>all is well
>this dumb faggot shows up and steals Radiance's moths then kicks her in the teeth
>takes her entire territory and she fades away due to being forgotten
>Radiance gives him the middle finger with the infection
>Pale King gets and kills thousands of kids to solve the problem he created in the first place
>NO COST TOO GREAT.jpg
FUCK him and FUCK Hallownest.

>>720435434
He's a harsh conqueror but good ruler.

>>720435328
I died in the arena, and this is where I found the it after starting next attempt. My respawn point was either already on the bench, or still stuck on walljump altar.

>>720435434
>Radiance chilling at home with her moths
The Radiance made its followers retarded. They had unity and felt cozy but they had no higher reasoning. The Pale King actually upgraded them from instinctive beasts to sapient bugs, which is why even the moths immediately became big fanboys of his and forgot about the Radiance.

>>720421239
She's in the same category as people like the Pale King, White Lady, Grimm, that one giant green thing that gives you a trinket in that green acid forest area, probably also whatever's making lifeblood and the Radiance fit in.
They might not all be literal Wyrms but they're all similar enough.
The outliers are stuff like the Godseekers, the Void and that one giant worm dude in the first game.

>>720435528
To be fair I hate every arena segment, mostly because in its core its usually boils down to one "fuck you" wave that you either beat or not, and rest is a waste of time.

>>720429049
PK was also actively working to keep other psycho gods away, there's mention of him and his knights battling a black wyrm.

>>720435582
Sentience is overrated. It only leads to self-destruction.
This is why the only things that don't go to ruin are the things that stay consistent and predictable and don't try to branch out into other things, like Grimm, the Void and the Radiance.

>>720435671
The Mantis tribe doesn't go to shit either, and they're definitely sapient.
>like Grimm, the Void and the Radiance.
Those are all godlike creatures, not common bugs or insects.

>>720430876
Asgore was correct. One creepy child can wipe out the entirety of monster civilisation, and tiriel is expecting him to go kickstart another war.

>>720435801
>The Mantis tribe
And what do they do? They just hunt animals and stick to themselves.
They don't try to branch out, they don't try to do science or poke at the funny black goop deep underground to see what it does, they don't try to study souls or magic, they just make spears and chuck them at invaders and they're fine with that.

>>720434180
I observed rosaries surviving spikes / stopping before hitting them and floating back to me when I had the magnet equipped.

>>720433538
If he hadn't filled them with void they'd have just been kids.

>>720430876
>Asgore is the worse
He stayed underground because he was fucking tired. He saw his people get genocided in a one-sided attack that came out of nowhere, they got sealed, and so much time passed before a human showed up his anger was gone. Then one shows up and they adopt it, then BOTH his kids get killed by humans and by the time he got another opportunity to leave so much time passed again he just wanted to rest or die instead of going out to go kill every human.
And even then he was still going through the entire underground to keep the people happy instead of sitting in his chair and coping that things are still okay like PK when Radiance was buttfucking his kingdom.
Toriel's the actual bitch, she leaves him to rule alone when their kids die but still criticizes him for doing that, but then enables it by trying to keep humans away from him, like damn make up your mind.

>>720435582
Reminder, PK was chill with other greater beings, radiance was just that shit that every single one of her worshippers said fuck this and left.

>>720428915
>doesnt have an ounce of ego
thats not entirely correct - he's a flawed vessel too, just like his brother. Unless you mean ego as in pride

>>720431586
>he may easily get killed like Asriel
Asriel could've wiped out the entire human village with a sneeze if he wanted to, he just didn't want to fight back.
A monster with just one human soul's already basically undefeatable.
All he had to do was kill just a few villagers and he'd become an actual god with capital G.

>>720436121
y'know, theres this big thing that always annoyed me about Undertale's lore
If they KNOW that monster + soul = demigod/god
and these elevated beings have some degree of control over time/existence via save shenanigans.
...then where are they at? how did they die/stop existing?
etc

>>720433513
These were like abortions rather than straight murder.

>>720436315
>and these elevated beings have some degree of control over time/existence via save shenanigans
That's a thing only possible in the Underground for some reason, or at any point really when you reach Godhood (aka 7 souls or level 20). Why? Who knows, maybe they'll explain it in Deltarune.
The weird stuff to me is how humans used to be able to do magic like monsters but they can't anymore.

>>720421012
No cost too great
>>720435602
Agreed. I'm so close to beating the ants but there's one round that just fucks my shit no matter what

>>720421012
He was trying to protect himself from whoever killed him but the sawblades were proven ineffective

>>720425302
The developers confirmed this isn't his real corpse. The Pale King is probably alive.

>>720435863
You are retarded kek

>>720436805
Alright.

>>720425301
underrated

>>720424706
>>720421054
Is there evidence Soul Sanctum stuff was even during the pale king's reign? Could've easily been stuff that came after his death. Forbidden research etc

>wormways area in silksong
>learn nothing about worms or wyrms

>>720437240
worms dig through the ground
wyrms are bigger worms
its not that complex anon

>>720435582
>The Radiance made its followers retarded. They had unity and felt cozy but they had no higher reasoning.

That's a lie, though. Pale King probably and observably lied about giving bugs sapience, so that they would worship him and would'nt try to escape Hallownest (remember, a part of a lie is the statement that no sapient bugs exist outside and in fact Hallownest' citizens would lose their minds if they leave their realm).

>>720438995
Look all I am saying is they could have used a worm area to expand the lore of Hollow Knight's most interesting character even a little but but the ONLY thing there is lifeblood and one silk skill.

>>720421012
but what was his tax policy?

>>720420646 (OP)
He asked permission to his wife before cucking her for the greater good. He was a good male.

>>720431830
Yes and no
Overall yes but the most hard moments of HK are still harder than anything in Silksong so far (at very end of act 2)

Vessels are NOT children. They are artificially created devices.
Would you weep so if damaged machines were consigned to the scrapheap?

>>720435602
>To be fair I hate every arena segment
Some are cool but others are just so so.

>>720439863
Are you a hollow knight pro? You might find it easier than the average gamer

>>720439906
If it was cute enough

>>720420646 (OP)
Is there anything Silk has done right for Pharloom? Pharloom might be better under the void influence

>>720439997
Shut up Snailgger.

>>720421012
That's just a bug thing. I don't hear you complain about swinging axes in every citadel airducts
>I-It's just because they have a rat problem
Nigga they're bugs rats can't even enter their ducts

>>720430941
>Act 2 in Silksong
But that's when Silksong is at its best. At least, I've found Act 2 way more entertaining than Act 1 because of how good double jump and clawhook feel.

>>720424706
>>720437141
The soul sanctum was just research on magic and shit. It's only after the plague outbreak that they began harvesting citizens to accelerate research

>>720439934
No. I've beaten Hollow Knight two and a half times and never even did godholme really besides some radiant bosses.
I did path of pain, nightmare troupe, and the flower delivery though.
I'm not bad at the games but I still die in HK. Probably above average but no where near top level. Same for Silksong I bet. It is harder but it also gives you incredibly oppressive offensive tools to make up for it. I just beat a couple bosses in Silksong earlier without any silk skills or tools because I am cursed or some shit but it took a bunch of tries because I was so used to having them. Once I got used to their patterns you can adapt even with minimal stuff as long as you play methodically

>>720431830
Honestly, I found it very hard in the begining, but as soon as I got the Wanderer's crest that gives you HK moveset, everything became super easy.

>>720431830
Silksong is constantly on the level of lategame HK, both combat and platforming

>>720440174
Why the fuck don't I have that skull HP
Literally everybody have it and it makes me think I missed something when I'm the autistiest explorer around with 75 hours still in act 2

>>720440292
It varies from area to area

>>720440354
>when I'm the autistiest explorer around with 75 hours still in act 2
>Never visited Hunter's march

>>720440205
Anon you sound like a true gamer

>>720439906
>Would you weep so if damaged machines were consigned to the scrapheap?
if it had a mind to think, a will to break, and voice to cry suffering, yeah probably.

>>720440174
At least the platforming here is fun, unlike the path of pain and white palace horseshit in the first one

>>720440354
Hidden room/merchant in hunters march on the left side in the room with the air lift
>>720440396
I didn't mean to humble brag, just saying for me Silksong is generally harder but HK had higher peaks (mostly DLC and optional stuff)
Silksong rewards methodical aggression where you get into a steady rhythm of dodging and attacking. Hollow knight was similar but some bosses required face tanking for me at the end if you didn't think you were gonna make it.
HK had higher difficulty in platforming at it's hardest but SS is generally harder as a baseline

>>720431830
I dropped HK about an hour or two in but I've been playing the SHIT out of Silksong. My closest frame of reference is Blasphemous but compared to that game Silksong feels way more difficult but less bullshit because the spikes aren't instant death.
>>720440506
Every single time I see a room full of metal spikes now, I get excited at all the ways I can potentially bounce around it like a retard.

anon why aren't you taking the addict build anon? it's infinite health regen anon !

>>720439997
Not really, from the get go Silk was fucked up;
> Created the Weavers from spiders and tried to force them to be her children
> Actively hunted down any Weavers she could find and either pulled them into her thrall or had them sealed in The Slab
> Allowed the experimentation of Silk and Shell in the Whiteward creating the Dregs and basically killing the Conductors
> Stamped out at least two other kingdoms (Green Prince & Karmelita) possibly three (Khann) and was so disliked that there was a planned uprising even before Hornet showed up (Bilehaven)
> Developed a cult of fear in her subjects that still persisted even to the present as seen with Seamstress that she could take their free will away
> Tried to create artificial children by fucking with the void, but did so in a completely haphazard manner resulting in failed experiments like Phantom
> Kept ensnaring bug souls with Silk even after her kingdom started to fall into disrepair
> Let her own daughter get consumed by Void just out of spite against Hornet
> There is no ending where just killing Silk saves Pharloom, either Hornet inherits the role of higher being through binding, causes the Greyroot to become a higher being or unleashes the full might of the void on the land, it's only through Hornet having to then separately save Lace that Pharloom isn't completely fucked

Let it be known that Silk might actually be the most inept and incompotent higher being that ever existed, even Radiance at least had good vibes back when the Moth Tribe worshipped her.

>>720440541
how many times do you have to stab yourself to unlock?

>>720440541
>regen
>cheatfly
>tacks
I kneel

>>720440541
How do you cause Lifeblood overload, do you just spam Plasmium Phial?

>>720440582
Don't forget this is on Architect so you can just make more of the tools

>>720440609
yeah you just have to inject until you get overload
I'm pretty sure its the amount of your health + 1

>>720435602
the only arena segment i felt deserved its whole length was the fucking ten wave one in the high halls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3WccQoaTKw
personally i would've saved this arena and moved it directly before lace 2. to further drive in the fact that you're fighting against silk's most desperate attempt to claim hornet because she knows what will happen if hornet is allowed to face her head on.

>>720425623
it's the female thing when they get power, look at the whore wife of Justinian I, Teodora

>>720440564
She also fucked up lace mentally when you think about it

>>720440541
>NO LITTLE HALLOW GIRL DONT GO INTO THE PLASMIUM CAVE!
>oh mein gott, this cave is full of lifenblooden

>>720435434
Moth propaganda

>>720440670
I'm surprised we didn't get a big one in The Slab, like yeah there's the one for the jailbreak sequence (which can also be done if you enter through the Apostate Door) and there's Broodmother's fight, but it never really feels like you're fighting an entire prison.

>>720428915
>little ghost has the player's ego
I kneel

>>720420646 (OP)
>>720420904
>oh my god, he like, throws away his heckin kidderinos!
>meanwhile planned parenthood exists IRL, and people dwarf the holocaust numbers with late term abortions
Oh no, that wicked villain. And on the topic of ritual human sacrifice, especially child sacrifice, at least his actually HAD a purpose. A noble one at that. Better than you can say for the ones that happened in the gay earth we live in.

>>720440735
Oh yeah that too, she shows just how shit of a mother she'd have been to the Weavers by just how shit of a mother she is to Lace and treats her as simly another tool in her arsenal. That's the irony with Pale King, even though he wanted to just treat the Hollow Knight as a tool in his arsenal, HK still developed qualities that made him no longer the perfect vessel through his time spent with PK being a father figure.

>>720430808
>>720430941
i didn't beat base radiance and i'm playing silksong

>>720433513
>bad king: sacrifices his subjects to save himself
>good king: sacrifices himself for his subjects
the pale king was good

>>720440897
The situation was Nier levels of fucked. They did the best they could with what they had.

>>720435434
Bro the king was not even strong enough to defend himself from radiance when she got mad at him. He didn't do anything to her, people joined him out of their own free will.

>>720425326
>every other civilization is clearly a shithole compared to hallownest
he had a point

>>720433513
it's ok because they were all hollow

>>720439330
The moths say something to the effect of going insane because they're entranced by the light the radiance produces, she does make bugs retarded

>>720440994
Pale King actually made a working system with one "human" error he didn't expect, Silk has done literal nothing but torturing her people and creations

>>720441090
Could have been a bit of hyperbole. An inevitability that if you left the side of the king that you where surely soon to loose your sentience to the Radiance or something else that sought to take it.

Radiance will return

Finally beat this faggot, magma bell + sawtooth circlet is the way to go. Bell saves you more than Mask here and Sawtooth basically lets you hit twice in a single jump, especially useful when punishing its 3x groundpound. No tools either, ran out of shards after several runs and I didn't bother to farm them.

>>720430234
WL has a hidden room in the white palace, the one that plays the shade music

>>720420646 (OP)
I like his crown.

>>720441094
pale king's only mistake was being a good father and giving his child the thought of
>wow i love my dad! hey ms light lady did you know how much i love my dad?
silk is on a thread of countless mistakes, fuckups, and abhorrent actions. her one redeeming quality is that she cares about lace as a mother should (but is a pretty shitty mother otherwise)

>>720441268
So a company in japan making better textile with moth silk than spider silk means the Radiance will return in Hollow Knight?

>>720428416
The marvel character?

>>720439906
They're artificially created out of a child's body and a bucket of void.

>>720441423
>mask=child's body
wait, can mask makers make some masks for me

I think what floored me the most on how awful silk was compared to the PK was when you first get to the workshop area and have to pay to sit on the bench.
Bitch was an insane slave driver

So, I was playing Silksong last night, and I found myself frustrated more often than I remember ever being playing HK.
>a lunging enemy makes contact with you even after you whack them with your needle hitting you for 2 damage
>pogoing of a buzz saw sends you flying a little too high making you hit another buzz saw on the ceiling for 2 damage
>before attacking enemy quickly shuffles a few steps towards you messing with your spacing so you end up colliding with their model and suffering 2 damage
>wall jump sends Hornet flying too high so her stupidly long head hits the buzz saw on the ceiling doing 2 damage
I don't remember that sort of thing happening in the first game. Or if it did, it didn't get to me like it does in Silksong. Why is that?

how do i beat the radiance.

>>720441502
From a worldbuilding perspective I loved the underworks area
>have to pay to use a bench
>every single time, not just one time to unlock
>the "intelligent" enemies, which usually carry more money, are all dirt poor
>the easter egg with the treadmill room

>>720441592
I installed a mod that allow be to respawn in the room entrance instead of at the bench.
99% of the frustration is gone , I reccomend you do the same.

>>720441325
I like their idea that Pale king had one job of getting his vessel kids to the sealing chamber without them developing a mind or emotions but he always swung by mcsawnolds and the water park on the way back up.

>>720441826
>mod
No, thanks, I'm not a cheater.

>>720441669
hit it until it dies

>>720441486
You think he was banging the white lady for centuries for some masks?

>>720441870
Enjoy your half the play time being backtracking anon , this is the hardcore expirience anon.

>>720442050
>enjoy
Thanks, I will.

>>720441502
and after they died of exhaustion they get sent to the Whiteward to be stitched up again and revived to work even more. If they don't get revived their silk dregs are harvested, they get cremated and their remains disposed down into the lava (based on one of the lore scrolls).
I haven't played through Act 3 so I might be missing more info but I get the idea that their bodies fossilize and become shards, which are then mined again in the deep docks and brought up to the cauldron to be fashioned into cogwork workers. The silk dregs are probably respooled and used again on other workers or the cogwork workers themselves. So in a way they're doomed to work forever.

I finished the game but I get the feeling I'm missing a white palace equivalent. Silksong's ultimate platforming challenge. Because not even once in this whole game are you actually required to use all your platforming tools in tandem to any great degree: there's always slack. I assume I just haven't found it.

So where is it?

>>720442185
>to work forever
To work until Pharloom falls. Death of silk and the collapse of Pharloom -> this shit stops and all the old automatons will be disposed off. Nothing is forever, except my little shade being the goat.

>>720420646 (OP)
to his credit, it's not like he was sacrificing some random bugs' kids either

>>720420646 (OP)
So is he alive or dead?

>>720442389
yeah, forever is what the GMS hoped it would last for but Pharloom was already in its 'death throes' as per Trobbio's bestiary entry. Not sure what 'death of silk' is if thats an Act 3 thing, but its apparent to me that GMS was gathering up Weavers born in foreign lands probably because she was running out of silk/dying and needed a successor, and maybe Lace was an attempt at creating an artificial one.

Normal ending is the best ending as Hornet will do better than Silk anyway

>want to have fun with tools
>go bankrupt
Shards are the worst part of the game. Yeah, we tried grinding for sub-weapons. It was called Simon's Quest. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now.

>>720442675
actually I should not say 'maybe', Lace just straight up says it

>>720442384
Theres a brief section for you to reach the nameless town

>>720442719
grind the big guys on top of the citadel
50 per kill which lets you buy a shard pack
but yeah its excessive

>>720420646 (OP)
Your daughter fucks million bug men

Where did Godseeker go?

>>720442687
Nah, Sister of the Void is the best ending. In Weaver Queen, Hornet is pretty much subsumed by Silk, Hornet's desire was not to become a true Higher Being, she just wanted to go back to Hallownest. The Weaver Queen ending is basically the same as The Hollow Knight ending in the first game, the main character succeeds the role of their predecessor, but where The Knight merely became the new body to contain The Radiance, Hornet is more directly continuing the rule of Silk.

Sisters of the Void by contrast shows Hornet pushing the Void back, ensuring that without access to Silk's power (which was given to Hornet to perform the escape) it would remain confined to The Abyss. Although yes, Pharloom is heavily damaged during Act 3, all the bugs are freed from Silk (and The Void's) control and Hornet is able to return to Hallownest. You could argue that Pharloom is physically in better condition in the Weaver Queen ending since it wasn't damaged by The Void, however it would remain a trap for the bugs within to eventually become ensnared and would be without freedom.

>>720440772
kek

>>720442687
>>720443101
twisted child is better retards

>>720443101
And lace survives and gets a second chance at live. Like hollow did since godhome is canon

>>720443176
Literally what happened there?

>>720421012
What part of "no cost too great" confused you?

>>720441792
>the easter egg with the treadmill room
whar
i remember the room with the guy on the treadmill but i only ran for about 10 seconds, do i need to max out my speed for something to happen?

I think the beast crest is almost perfect
My biggest complain is that the beast crest should just be able to heal six instead of 3 since you have to work for the healing.

Why should I not give Pharloom to the nice Cordyceps lady?

>>720443752
There should be no limit to heals as long as the mode is up, the down slash needs to be more worthwhile, and it needs more room for trinkets. The sprint slash being weird is fine though I guess.

>>720443392
The Twisted Bud steals Silk from Hornet while she's infected. in Weaver Queen ending, Hornet has to take the Higher Being powers of Silk into herself hence becoming the new ruler of Pharloom. In the Twisted Bud ending, the parasite usurps this process and takes the powers of the Higher Being within itself. The ending slide shows that the coccoon it had created for itself out of Hornet and I'm guessing Silk too, begins to hatch, so the parasite becomes the new higher being.

>>720443981
So kino. Lesbian ending has nothing on this

>>720433728
Dammit I wasn't expecting this.

>>720443698
>the room with the guy on the treadmill
Where even is this?
I couldn't find this in act 2 anywhere

>>720443981
That's hot

>>720441592
Silksong went out the ass with making everything deal 2 damage. There were no 2 damage environmental hazards in Hollow Knight, and 2 damage enemies were few and far between.

>>720444151
It's in Underworks there should be some little tunnels in one of the ceilings, I forget the specific room

>>720444236
>There were no 2 damage environmental hazards in Hollow Knight
I feel like there was one or two, but nowhere near as much in silksong

HOW DO I GET BLACK FRILLY LACE PANTIES TO STOP TELEPORTING DIRECTLY INSIDE MY ANUS OR 2 INCHES IN FRONT OF ME WHILE I'M SPRINTING

>>720441592
you can backwards dash cancel your needle attacks, and most enemies you fight before getting the dash aren't a problem without it

>>720443698
There's a little meter in the background you can max out, regular sprint is enough but the sprint anklets make it slightly faster. I'll save you time because you'll be underwhelmed
It gives you a single rosary and the horse guy becomes grateful to you for helping him a little with his task
The horse is basically the same as the horse from animal farm

>>720444968
if you were smart about it you wouldn't tell me what happens so I'd go and be disappointed myself, but yeah makes sense

can we all agree that modding the shard and bead drop rate to 2x makes the game way better?
t. beat act 3 vanilla and modded with enhanced drop rate

>>720448086
>can we all agree
r_eddit

>>720448207
AM I THE ONLY ONE

>>720429207
>4
Would

silksong proved that the pale king did nothing wrong

>>720441592
I like to think all 2 damage shit it's because Hornet is a woman

>>720440825
>and people dwarf the muh holycaust numbers with late term abortions
Faggots like you are bad as evangelical fundies.