Thread 720456279

I wish Fire Emblem never became a blockbuster IP

>>720456279 (OP)
This was the last good one. And arguably the only good one because the ones before all have cancerous enemy turns

Not Awakening's fault the series started to suck afterwards

I wish Fire Emblem fans would stop bitching

>>720456279 (OP)
True but without this the series would be dead.

>>720456279 (OP)
I disagree because we wouldn't have gotten conquest lunatic and engage maddening.

>>720456279 (OP)
1000% agree

>>720458973
Awakening sucked and was what ruined fire emblem you faggot.
>>720459146
I wish it was dead instead of butchered.

>>720456279 (OP)
Imagine being such a contrarian that you'd want the series to die with Radiant Dawn and fucking Shadow Dragon. Nah, even if I dislike a number of these modern entries - the series is fine as of now.

If you were really going to complain, it should have been about Kaga leaving. THAT was the breaking point in the series. To pretend that the GBA entries are some holy, untouchable peak is silly - even if they are good. Hell, even Awakening's design philosophies were just temporary given how Conquest and 3H are completely different.

>>720456279 (OP)
Awakening had the best artstyle in the series along with decent english voice acting.

The switch games made me switch to jap voices with how bad the english performances were.

>>720459975
In retard land maybe. Toilet bowl armor and deformed faces are not peak.

At least you were able to freely customize the MC and not forced to play as a tube of toothpaste or a fucking nog. Byleth was a fine design but I legitimately skipped Engage and will be skipping this gay shit too because I’m not running around as a YN.

>>720456279 (OP)
This.

Given the current state of things, it would've better been off dead. Alter all, it would still be a decent franchise of almost ten great games.
While I haven't played the ds ones, Three Houses was as insulting as it gets to a FE fan. It was a thinly veiled dating sim with a barebones strategy layer that couldn't be interesting or challenging if it actually tried.

The only good thing it did was to make me realise that you should never become a "fan" of a corporate product. Because eventually, the goal for money will make the corporation turn their backs on original fans in favour of new ones.

>>720461204
Avatars were never good

>>720458973
>>720459967
>>720459975
You're all retarded. Awakening was a dogshit game with a dogshit story and dogshit characters and dogshit maps with dogshit mechanics made for dogshit babies that are dogshit at strategy games.
Just because it's your first game in the series doesn't mean it's good, nor does it change the fact that Awakening's success resulted in the entire series turning into a pseudo dating sim with mechanics designed for people with room temperature IQ and depthless characters who's personalities exclusively consist of anime tropes.

>>720461903
Not even Mark from FE7 was good, since that one only really exists for Lyn to soak her loins over.

The entire franchise post thracia has been for inbred retards

>>720462497
bruh type less

>>720462497
The story and characters are phenomenal actually, only tellius and jugdral are better in that aspect. You just let your hate for the mechanics blind your judgement and get too irrationally upset about the side plot when it's not that big of a deal. Fire Emblem characters were always anime tropes and the characters are far from depthless for the most part.

>>720465076
>Tellius

Go fuck yourself, the blood pact compells you

>>720465076
>The story and characters are phenomenal actually
Nothing good about these shitty quips. It's added in the english but I'm assuming you're talking about the english

>>720465903
People like you can barely even play Fire Emblem. Why dont you go back to grinding Amelia in the Tower of Valni You braindead storyfag

>>720462497
You should be saying "Gaiden" and "Sacred Stones" first because Awakening just inherited that style

>>720465854
Why are anti-Telius posters such basic, screeching, angry shitposters? It's the least offensive era of any FE lol, and literally just took from the GBA and Kaga games.

We get an endless cycle of FE > Kirby > Warioware now.

All of these will get 3 games each on Switch 2. FE and WW take up resources and shit that so many better IP should be getting.

>>720466328
>storyfag
I'm not but the quips are bad. The story and character would be good if they weren't constantly getting "punched-up".

I love slow FE threads like these

>>720466587
Tellius almost killed Fire Emblem and Radiant Dawn basically tore out the heart of FE (building up your characters) and shat on it with its revolving door of focus characters.

Just they could tell a batshit "epic" story in 4 parts that doesn’t have any satisfying conclusions and leaves 95% of the cast guaranteed underleveled for the endgame.

>>720467448
Crazy how you'd say that, and ignore that what killed Telius was releasing on the fucking GC and Wii, platforms not a single RPG sold well on. You focused on absolutely irrelevant shit to be autistic about.

>>720467930
Xenoblade launched in 2013 on the Wiis death bed and so a million which was more than any FE sold til Awakening. The idea an actually well designed Fire Emblem couldnt have sold 1million during the Wiis peak years is ludicrous.

Radiant Dawn sold worse than PoR. You Telliusfags pretend the games are good but you've got nothing but flimsy excuses for how shit they did.

>>720468596
Didn't Tellius get criticized for not having motion controls? I don't think it received a fair shot.

>>720461903
Avatars are at least good mechanically when you can make a customized unit in an archetype of your choice. Byleth and Alear are fucking pointless

>>720468596
Imagine living in retard world where you think sales = quality. PoR and RD were released on platforms no one bought RPGs for. PoR was also a limited run game that became high value within its lifespan.

For all your screeching about the quality of those games, you've had zero good arguments about said quality. PoR is not substantially different from FE6 or 7, with some SNES mechanics thrown in. Theres nothing about it making it quantitatively worse than a typical high quality FE of the time.

RD's split campaign, rushed nature and Miciah are issues, sure. To make it a fault of Telius itself is faggot shit.

Xenoblade doing 400k more made sense because you had an entire internet movement pushing for a worldwide release, giving it a fuckton of marketing.

>>720469448
Adding to this, is how Awakening was the premier title pushed by Nintendo Direct during the 3DS game drought. Path of Radiance, and Radiant Dawn didn't have that luxury.

Even Xenoblade, which the prior post used as some big retort, had the benefit of Nintendo Direct when it launched globally in 2012.

There was suddenly a game that everyone knew about, on a console people were starving for games on. Meanwhile, every successive FE was able to reap that benefit.

Again, crying about a few design choices of RD doesn't dismiss all the other factors the game had working against it. To pretend it's on some level worse than nu-FE is pure delusion

>>720469448
>>720471017
>Imagine living in retard world where you think sales = quality. PoR and RD were released on platforms no one bought RPGs for. PoR was also a limited run game that became high value within its lifespan.
>For all your screeching about the quality of those games, you've had zero good arguments about said quality. PoR is not substantially different from FE6 or 7, with some SNES mechanics thrown in. Theres nothing about it making it quantitatively worse than a typical high quality FE of the time.
>RD's split campaign, rushed nature and Miciah are issues, sure. To make it a fault of Telius itself is faggot shit.
>Xenoblade doing 400k more made sense because you had an entire internet movement pushing for a worldwide release, giving it a fuckton of marketing.

Tales of Symphonia, Pokemon Colleseum, Paper Mario TTYD, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles all sold 1-3million

You're not discussing with your Tellius butt buddies, your talking to an actual Fire Emblem fan. You can pretend the platform is the problem but the reality is it was the games fault they sold poorly.

When they changed the game (Awakening) it sold better.

>>720471613
Yet none of those were limited print runs, which Path of Radiance was. The game has its initial shipment, and nothing else.

I like Telius, I'm just not a fanboy of it. Crazy how you have so much unhinged energy in your post about one era you dislike. You assume anyone even defending it is some crazy fanboy.

>>720456279 (OP)
Is there a more whiny fanbase in vidya than Fire Emblem?

This is insane ay.
On par with Silksong kek.

>no fucking marketing budget btw, pure autistic rage

>>720473125
Pokemon

>>720473135
/v/ is a fire emblem board
jannies could never have contained us

>>720456279 (OP)
Then you would have never played it, fucking tendie poser.

>>720473125
Korean gacha fanbase maybe

>>720473135
Only good stuff here is the Lyn and Tiki art

>>720462497
based

>>720462497
Objectively correct

>>720459967
Number of good games after Kaga left: 5
Number of good games after Shadow Dragon: 1
Yeah I would have been fine with the series dying right before Awakening.

>>720456279 (OP)
That and Fates are the good ones.

Number of good Kaga games: 0

>>720479942
Number of good games made by anyone ever: 0

>>720479942
Maybe if you're a fucking idiot

>>720462497
I can already tell that you're a FE7 bab.

>>720479942
Thracia was good thoughbeit

>>720481305
>implying you were playing a JP-only series 25 years ago
Come the fuck on man

>>720481074
If being an idiot means that I dont consume dogshit slop, then an idiot I shall be.

>>720482421
Name two games you like

>>720456279 (OP)
>I kinda wish they made no more FE games
Huh?
You might as well make something with the franchise?
But I do think they should try to go back to gameplay complexity over plot after this next game. I just want more 3H for now because it's been a worm in my brain for a while now and Three Hopes really pissed me off being musou and Engage didn't... engage with me.

>>720473853
Yet english speakers didn't give a fuck about FE before Awakening and 3H. It's actually got rep here now. Crazy.

I wish Fire Emblem never went outside japan, pandering to those pesky gaijins was a mistake

>>720458973
three houses was fun even though it was more like a persona game. Nintendo should let koei tecmo make another one would be better than whatever intelligent systems puts out

>Awakening still makes Cubesnoys seethe 12 years later
Feels good.

>>720465076
>and characters
You have got to be fucking joking.

>>720484874
I've heard one of these are so much better than the shit we get now.
I'm almost too scared to shatter my delusions with playing them. I've heard shit about SNES era FE. Like ridiculous mechanics compared to modern FE. Game was cooking back then.

Wasn't there a FE where the map was the entire world? Kinda insane.

My first FE was Awakening so yeah, sorry. I didn't know it would end this way.

>>720488591
My first was 3 Houses, so I'm happy.
Clearly every fanbase of the previous generation of FE is mad about the following gen.
Maybe they just got attached to the characters of that gen?

>>720456279 (OP)
Best Fire Emblem soundtrack. Fight me.

>>720490314
I don't think there is a fight.
3H is good, but I played Awakening relatively recently and I think it wins.
3H steals a lot of tracks even.

>>720482421
>slop
The catch-all term for midwits who never have any good arguments.

>>720482942
As expected, he literally couldn't

>>720486327
Why be such a coward? The three GBA FE games are excellent entry points. Go try them. Then the SNES entries are more complex ways to follow-up. 3 is the most vanilla FE with two halves. 4 is a medieval war simulator. 5 sets the groundwork for all future entries like 6,7,9 and onward.

The one in that guy's pic is a good starting point, but gets fellated too much. It's the OG, "babby's first FE" - but it's still a fine game with a lot of content. Personally, I'd recommend Binding Blade first.

>>720478076
No

>>720479942
It doesn’t help that half of them are unlocalized or just flat out failed when they got remakes, not even Binding Blade a non-Kaga game is localized

>>720481775
They're all good. Only retards cry otherwise - usually filtered lol

>>720493380
It's odd how they listened to everyone begging to bring Roy back to smash but never considered putting out his game in english. Maybe they know nobody actually cares, or would hate it for being too hard if they did.

>>720456279 (OP)
I would take 10 more Awakenings than a single one of the Three House slop variety

>>720456279 (OP)
I wish your mom never gave birth

>>720493575
This killed me back in the day. As a kid I was completely convinced Binding Blade would make it here. When 8 and 9 were announced, I just held my breathe - thinking we'd get it later. Then it never happened.

Imo, they should have released an upgraded version for DS. Probably would have sold better than Shadow Dragon as well.

>>720493639
God, you Gaiden-entry fags are so fucking obnoxious. I didn't like Three Houses either, but come on.

So now that it's dead, what fills the void?

>>720484874
I wish Fire Emblem never existed in the first place

>>720463408
Isn't that the one where healstaves can miss?

>>720498508
Thracia fans will never live that down. They can explain it 1 thousand times but it's the only thing anyone remembers.

>>720495737
Unicorn Overlord

>>720456279 (OP)
there were gay and brown characters before awakening

>>720456279 (OP)
>Played a couple of the GBA Fire Emblems way back when, enjoyed them, but didn't really get into the series
>Many years pass
>Fire Emblem becomes a major franchise, games are hitting record sales
>Decide to try one of the newer ones out
>mfw it's Fates
It really just felt bad. On the plus side, it made Awakening seem way better in comparison when I tried that one out.

>>720489548
No. That's a false perspective from being a newfag. The reality is that all the eras of FE have different styles of gameplay from one another, and which ones people prefer is completely unrelated to which they started with. My favourite FE is Radiant Dawn and I started with FE7. A lot of people who like Conquest started with earlier games too. One of the reasons the new game is getting so much dislike is because people already know how 3 houses plays and they know it's not the style they enjoy.

>>720498856
That's an Ogre Battle knockoff, though, not a Fire Emblem knockoff.

>>720495737
Feda: The Emblem of Justice.

>>720456279 (OP)
Why?
If the games stopped making money it'd have went the way of f-zero and advance wars.
You can just not play the games you don't like.
You choose the buttons you press. :)

>>720456279 (OP)
To this day, I still want nursing handjobs from Miriel. That is all.

>>720456279 (OP)
>>720484874
>>720497535
kill yourselves

Awakening, Echoes and Three Houses were good.
Sure, Fates and Engage suck, but I think three good games is worthwhile.

>>720499047
chronically brain damaged

>>720501710
How could you say Awakening is good, but not Fates? They're the exact same shit for Birthright/Awakening and Conquest is good in its own right. Revelations is the only bad part.

Even then, Engage follows Awakening/Fates as a successor. What is quantifiably worse about it? The story? The designs? Nigger, all that shit is iffy in the 3DS/Switch era.

>>720501710
Fates is good, there are just growing pains because of all the little changes. Engage might have the same growing pains but it was proceeded by Fates, Echoes, and Three Houses so very traditional Fire Emblem gameplay was already out the window.

>>720502102
Map design.
Character design.
Encounter design.
The math.

Engage's writing is bad, but it's a fun game. All three paths of Fates are more slow than anything. A few spurts of fun, but not much.

>>720502260
>Engage
I meant Awakening. Jesus I'm tired.

>>720502260
>The math.
Unless you're an Advance Wars addict you have no excuse not to do math in Fire Emblem. AW fans have the excuse that they memorized the damage chart and aren't used to not knowing numbers from experience. But you don't.

>>720502260
Ridiculous. Awakening is famous for having giant, empty squares for the majority of its maps. Engage's maps have infinitely more to them than Awakening, and Conquest has better maps than all of them.

Play these games before spouting garbage. All of those entries have dog shit stories.

>>720502260
>Encounter design
>The math
Pretentious and retarded answers. Route all enemies is not good "encounter design", and the math? Lmao - what kinda shit are you pulling out of your ass for that.

If Awakening is the only FE I've played and I really like it, which one should I play next?

>>720502798
Gaiden

>>720502798
Literally any entry. GBA trilogy is the easiest to get into, but play them on hard mode (FE6 needs a save file for that, or you can play the FE6+ mod).

If you specifically want world maps, go for Echoes, Sacred Stones or Birthright. All of those entries follow the same "FE Gaiden" design choices.

>>720498508
Movement Stars

>>720502947
>FE6 and 7 both need save files, or the FE6/7+ mods to unlock hard mode from the start
Fixed. And just to reiterate, I emphasized the "Gaiden" style entries, because that's what Awakening was a revival of - therefore those entries (8, Echoes and Birthright) were my suggestions.

There is a distinct lack of Tharja in a thread that is supposed to be about Awakening.

>>720459086
>>720473125
The Windu Waker copypasta applies just as much to Fire Emblem as it does to Zelda.

>>720501710
>Awakening, Echoes and Three Houses were good.
I liked them. Awakening was comfy.
>Fates
I want to like Fates, but I can't stick with it. Not saying it's bad.
>Engage
Haven't played it yet.

>>720458973
it's the resident evil 4 of the fire emblem games. the success of this game gave the creators the wrong idea.

I bought awakening on release and have dropped it three times out of boredom, awful fucking game murdered the series

>>720503913
That’s because nobody cares about this forced shitty meme character

>>720505608
I do but I hate her shit game