Thread 720596764

Metroid Prime 4 has been marketed poorly because
>A. The game is dogshit and Nintendo just wants to pass it like a kidney stone and move on
Or
>B. It’s great, and Nintendo can’t tell if a first person adventure game made by Americans is good or not so they just market it poorly out of not understanding

I've liked all the trailers so far outside of the dessert segment in the latest one

>>720596764 (OP)
>>A. The game is dogshit and Nintendo just wants to pass it like a kidney stone and move on
This is correct, just like the last 3 prime games.

>>720596764 (OP)
Or
>C. Nintendo only cares about colorful, kid friendly, marketable and merchandisable series now because they became money grubbing jew rats and Metroid is sci-fi horror at worst

>>720596764 (OP)
It has three amiibo, they're certainly not sweeping it under the rug. I assume they'll give it more spotlight closer to launch, it's still three months away.

>>720596992
Based truth knower

>>720596764 (OP)
Samus on a motorcycle is fucking retarded. Just like Sonic driving a car. What the fuck is Tanabe thinking?

>>720596764 (OP)
How the bike just lands on the ground with zero dust particles rising into the air or anything. Zero impact lmao its like a Game Freak Pokemon game.

>>720596983
The desert might not even be bad if it’s just a Point A-Point B scenario with maybe a couple of locations that are like small locations in the middle of it. If the rest of the game is just regular areas like the rest of the series (which it appears to be) then it might be good
>>720597196
Call me when they have a Metroid Direct

>>720596764 (OP)
Metroid is famously unpopular in Japan, so of course it gets low marketing priority.

>>720596764 (OP)
Has to be A.
>dev hell
>multiple reboots
>still a turd but too expensive at this point to cancel
>will maybe sell a mil
and then prime dies for another 20 years

>>720597143
>Nintendo when another company wants to make a Metroid or Mother game

>>720596764 (OP)
>A. The game is dogshit and Nintendo just wants to pass it like a kidney stone and move on
Given that the main website sends you to the store for Prime 4 while Dread has its own website should tell you everything you need to know on how Nintendo feels about Metroid Prime 4 right now.

>>720597376
Easier and quick to develop, that's all.

>>720597454
They're probably fuming that Tanabe's been stuck on this game for THIS long when they want him to go back to making silly Paper Mario games that make fanboys seethe and regularly sell millions of copies.

>>720596764 (OP)
It looks so stupid

No aiming animations, the only animations they added were idle animations and without transitions to driving animations, samus snaps into driving pose immediately, not even a turret that aims at enemy, energy projectiles don't even come out of the bike, they spawn above it.

>>720596764 (OP)
>marketed poorly
They risked embarassment by making a big hoopla out of canning the original dev team and having to wait for a slot at Retro Studios.
They remastered the original Prime for Switch.
They are giving this game THREE amiibo.
Everything is fine - they did a lot more than expected considering how 'meh' the franchise is expected to sell.

>Direct basically spells out that the big marketing push starts in October
>WHY ISNT NINTENDO MARKETING MP4!?

>>720597441
Metroid is still getting games and Itoi has said he's done with Mother and Nintendo's respecting his wishes

I wish Metroid was still dead.

>>720598264
It is. But they'll pay the reviewers and the normies will slop it up

>>720598991
Was it ever dead?

>/v/ermin pretending to hate pic related just to shit on nintendo
you niggers lost the plot

>>720598319
You don't even know who the original dev was because Nintendo never even mentioned them. Bamco? Why because of some deleted tweet?
Lol
Lmao

Here's what happened, they made the game unsurpassable by Nintendo so they shitcanned it out of fear they would have to outperform it in the future. You're telling me fucking Bamco couldn't outdo this generic open world slop? I couldn't believe you if I tried

>hur waaa they were a SMALL team of literal whos!
Yeah. Like most of the people who made games for Rareware.

>>720596983
I didn't like the first one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMAgmdR8jwU

However the next two peaked my interest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmwAhBxakw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W9xes7BZto

Finally I've been completely won over with what we've just seen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJNCNswbdG0

>>720598991
sorry I bred some in a lab

>>720599328
I hate it because it's a kiddy movie game with no challenge

>>720598269
I hate the bike, but the projectiles do come out of the back of the seat.

>>720599573
They spawn outside when the hatch opens, which is the same hatch animation used for boosting.

>>720596764 (OP)
Both

I agree that the desert itself doesnt look good but the skyline is fucking rad

>>720599587
delete this

>>720600439
skybox

>>720600175
Lol didn't catch that, very lazy.

>>720597441
>>720598804
They're not "respecting Itoi's wishes", Itoi literally partially owns the Mother IP. They can't do shit without Itoi's permission. And Itoi would rather pump out constant Mother merch on his website than work on another game.

>>720601453
Because he doesn't wanna make another game. What's wrong with that

>>720600439
The colours are too earth like, gross and oversaturated, it looks like the last saints row game. it would be so easy to fix this shit with a lighting and colour overhaul.

>>720596764 (OP)
Reminder that it'd still be better than the version before Retro took over

I think they are a few years too late in thinking showcasing a big empty map will wow people.
Hopefully it's a section and not an hub connecting all areas.

>>720602465
>Hopefully it's a section and not an hub connecting all areas.
Isn't that Hyrule Field in OoT and thd Sea in Wind Waker are?

>>720597375
>Why would Sonic drive a car in a car racing competition?
You some kinda stupid?

Got a quick history lesson about Metroid and I'm so baffled as to why they're even trying to make these games anymore. Literally every single game in the franchise has sold like shit. Not a single game in the entire franchise has hit 5 million copies sold. Is Nintendo just brain dead or are they just that desperate for a game?

I'm just hoping we get a MP5 that is Switch 2 only because this game is definitely held back by Switch hardware

>>720602593
Please don't, i'm tired, just let me explore areas and solve enviroment puzzles like the old days.
I don't need the area of bloated playtime.

My personal copium
>second trailer showcased samus appearing in the jungle region out of a portal.
>Can't be immediately after the intro, because her suit has already been modified and has the psychic mote in her forehead.
>theres no way retro expects you to walk accross the entire desert with no bike
>therefore, theres some way to travel between regions with no desert riding required.

I think Nintendo is ashamed of how poor their decision was in even allowing Bamco to work on the game initially but thankfully they saw the error but not early enough that development could've been done long before the next console came along.

>>720603030
There's probably fast traveling you can unlock

>>720602593
it is, but that sucks.
People don't want pic related. Because it homogenizes exploration. It means you just explore self contained areas.
If there are alternate travel methods and you can go directly from one region to another without needing to go bike riding, that solves a lot of the problem though.

>>720602861
I know you are just a shitposter, but it doesn't matter how much a game sells as long as it makes profit.

>>720602861
metroid is in a strange place because of japanese workplace culture. its gunpei yokois brainchild so no one at nintendo wants to work on it but also its gunpei yokois brainchild so no one wants to let it die. what they have worked out is basically just letting a bunch of random third party studios iterate on the IP so that metroid isnt a dead IP and then also declaring the games noncanon to the true metroid legacy.

>>720603210
Like i said there's probably a fasy travel function you can get in the game

>>720603219
Pure cope

get N or get Out

>>720603220
Yokoi never cared about Metroid.

>>720596764 (OP)
It's hard to market when the whole appeals of these games is exploration and going in blind. They shouldn't be spoiling too much but they also need to give outsiders a reason to buy the game.

big hot take prediction: the desert starts off empty because it changes as the game progresses due to the time travel mechanic

>>720596764 (OP)
Is Prime 4’s vast openness really similar to Genshin of all games?

>>720603741
Nobody cares about your Chinaman game.

>>720603741
>Nintendo not being stingy fucks with game budgets impossible challenge

>>720603620
I don't think there was any problem with the marketing for Dread.

I think the motorcycle looks kinda goofy but it honestly makes so much sense from a design perspective
if you want to fast travel around this world without the loading screen ship flights in prime 3. you could always do the elevators again like in prime 1 and 2,
but you could also make upgrades for the bike, they even showed a little combat with it. im optimistic

but Im gonna be honest I dont want any more big reveals. imagine how fucking cool the bike would have been if you just find out raw, in game.
I think they potentially robbed us of the coolest reveal in the entire franchise

>>720602861
It's funny how incompatible this is with the "Nintendo only care about money" crowd
Metroid games get made because there are dedicated development teams and producers who want to make them, literally why Pikmin 4 got made, because Shigeru Miyamoto wanted to make another one, that's another series with Metroid like sales.
Same goes with Kirby with Kirby has had Metroid like sales until Kirby and the forgotten land but there's regular Kirby releases, 2 mainline titles, 1 remake, and 3 spinoffs on the Switch.

>>720599328
uhhh I never played jak and daxter, I wish I understood

>>720604146
It's just becoming more Zelda like with an overworld which is antithetical to Metroid, it's possible to pre cache transitions but you're partially right in that there's no easy solution to jumping between worlds, unfortunately without jumping up a generation to Switch 2 there's no real method to have Super/Fusion style transitions between areas.

>>720603620
Worked for Dread, Nintendo may not care about the Prime series all that much. Dread felt like an evolution of 2D Metroid. Prime 4 is just tacking on gimmicks from 6th gen and 9th gen without much thought put into them. I think the best part of Prime 4 was the the literal first part of the game with Space Pirates, Fed Troopers, and the Fed base.

>>720597441
Nigga they got Mercury Steam on 2D Metroid and Itoi doesn't want to make more Mother games

>>720599328
Yeah, that's about when the series lost me, i prefered the busy city of 2.

eh, I think MP3 idea of multiple planets was better.
MP4 should have had a space station hub area where you talk to different NPCs to get missions on different planets.

>>720597413
Twilight Princess?

>>720604013
>>720604414
citing Dread is pure cope, go back and watch the commercials for previous metroid games instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8mVAsEEJcU

Dread was simple, the emmi was never going to be scary, and it's a fast sidecrolling platformer.

>>720605279
Dread is the highest selling Metroid game in the series and was marketed from when they first announced it in 2021 to its release that same year. Prime 4 is releasing this year and only got three crappy trailers with the third one being divisive. The psychic powers, empty desert open world, and the bike isn't doing any favors to get people interested in the game.

>>720605521
Pay attention to the Prime 1 and 2 commercials, look how little is shown.

>>720597441
they whored out 2D metroid to a third party because not enough people in house give a fuck about it.

>>720604013
Dread isn't about exploration though, it's about action sequences. 2D metroid hasn't cared about exploration since fusion

To be honest, the game looks like an indie game rather than an AA game. The animation looks very stiff and amateurish.

>>720603317
I don't know why you think that fixes anything

I once again pose the question to the shills and the copers: what does the desert hub add to a Metroid game? Why do you think a hub is better than an interconnected world?

>>720596764 (OP)
obviously being sent out to die, between this and dread, it feels like nintendo just wants to wash their hands of every old rumor and be done with the franchise so they can get back to printing money with with mario party or whatever

>>720606424
Bait used to be believable

>>720596764 (OP)
>C, they did the best they could for 8 years, but they're all fed up by now and want it over and done with

the motorbike sounds like tanabe or nintendo japan's idea...
enough to make prime 4 different enough from the other games along with psychic powers, but still not the best idea for metroid

>>720596764 (OP)
This will be the Star Fox Zero of Metroid. It's over

>>720600439
it's called a skybox anon
and yes, it's nice
what's not nice is all that boring sand

>>720605612
This is supposed to be a big holiday release, I would expect better marketing for the game.

>>720602861
ITT zoomer can't wrap his head around people not caring about sales but instead PASSION which is how games were initially made to be successful

>>720606424
You're right about this but a retard about Dread, Dread has its own website, what does Prime 4 have?

>>720606774
> has its own website
you are literally retarded. you should throw your switch onto a busy road the next time you get a chance

dread did an unfathomable amount of retconning and reimagined samus' character as wildly as other m did, but as excessively masculine instead of excessively feminine. it has the sloppiest design of any 2D metroid, and the game admits as much with the auto checkpoints and teleporters. it was a metroid game for non-metroid fans.

>>720603317
That didn't make this approach any better in Prime 3 where instead of a desert there was a menu.

>>720597441
Retard

>>720599345
real reason was loli samus in a swimsuit

>>720606681
The commercials wont start for months, obviously. You think there was giant marketing pushes for previous games? I mean fuck we've already had Prime 4 in several directs, the Treehouse is something that didn't exist back then. The game already has had more marketing than most Nintendo games ever released.

>>720607060
What the hell are you even talking about. Dread had marketing and is the best selling game in the franchise, this is barely getting marketing, doesn't have its own website, and is thinking an empty massive desert with a dirt bike is a wow factor.

>>720596764 (OP)
Dread had a 3 month marketing period, Prime 4 marketing has been dogshit because it essentially just began yesterday, it launches in a little less than 3 months

>>720607728
I was expecting Dread levels of marketing

>>720606217
It triggers my Prime 2 nostalgia so it's great.

>>720596764 (OP)
It hasn't been marketed that much because Nintendo doesn't do heavy marketing for their games until like a month out from release. They have already dropped several trailers and gameplay demos. Not sure what else you are expecting this far from release still.

>>720596764 (OP)
somewhere in the middle actually, the Nintendo japs don't understand or care about the western market so they don't know what to do

>>720597143
if this is true, then why make Fire Emblem the main announcement instead of any of all that Mario stuff?

FUCK DOOMERS

WE RIDE

>>720607824
Which is what? these will be plastered up after December 4th.

>>720604146
>I think they potentially robbed us of the coolest reveal in the entire franchise
The curse of modern marketing. They'll probably show off the bike in TV ads

>>720607756
>this is barely getting marketing, doesn't have its own website, and is thinking an empty massive desert with a dirt bike is a wow factor.

Ok number 1. I know you have tik-tok zoomer brain rot ( I do too) but do I need to remind you that tears of the kingdom Had fuck all aswell. The game literally only had teasers until a month before release. So why are you saying it has no marketing? It has been demoed worldwide at the switch 2 launch, PAX, Gamescom etc. It has also been featured in multiple directs. It also has amiibo on the way and a full on book. We are also months out still. Thats fucking more than tears of the kingdom. Literally mainline zelda.

>>720604146
>I think they potentially robbed us of the coolest reveal in the entire franchise
BINGO YAHTZEE EUREKA, they're towing the line between enticing consumers and avoiding spoiling too much and slip up like these happen as a result. Desiring more marketing is very detrimental to these games.

>>720606681
Pokemon is the big holiday release. This is being shoved out at the last possible moment to still make it out in 2025.

>>720606217
its just an area between areas. I could almost reverse your question: what do you lose without a hub world? to what extent were the other games interconnected in the first place?
could you hop from brinstar overgrowth to the wrecked ship? does every single area require a teleporter to each other area for maximum efficiency?

any area could have cool stuff in it, there is no rule saying a hub has to be boring or the best area of the game. what the desert hub adds to a metroid game is simply another area to explore

>>720608248
NTA but Magmoor Caverns sucked, I want to remind everyone that it sucked.

>>720606681
>This is supposed to be a big holiday release
metroid games are not big hitters, are you new? japan doesnt even like metroid and its even niche here in the west. look at dread's sales.

>>720606737
Not just passion but innovation as well. There's an entire genre based around Metroid gameplay.

>>720608308
I didnt honestly consider it a hub at first, but I thats pretty reasonable.

>>720608343
i would argue that silk song and hollow knight have zero to little innovation and they still sell like crazy. I dont think innovation drives sales directly like that.
the upgrades are fucking lame: you get a double jump and a wall jump pretty much, the focus of the entire game is really the combat of all things.

I am currently in act 2 of silk song and I can't give a fuck to boot up and grind missions to get act 3 and the true ending.
Im fucking bored and that style of metroidvania doesnt scratch the itch of metroid's power scaling. yet somehow like 20 games delayed their release because they were afraid of silksong mogging them

I want someone to speculate with me about what the ammo in the bottom right and the flame symbol powerup in the bottom left are.

>>720608641
Hollow knight is very innovative compared to the average metroidvania. Mostly in its true non linearity. You can sequence break in most metroidvania's, but hollow knight doesn't even have much of a sequence to break after you get the mantis claw

Will he do anything but job?

>>720607951
>>720608167
I'll just be realistic with you two, I'm just not feeling the hype.

>>720608227
Prime series is doomed

>>720608739
The ammo is probably for the psychic beam that lets you stop time and chain multiple hits.

>>720608334
>look at dread's sales
Highest in the series

>>720608845
>Mostly in its true non linearity.
yea thats not a great thing (for me I guess) if the entire game requires very little abilities to get around and 90% of the map revolves around 3 early upgrades.
im walking all over and not discovering too much stuff besides some money, optional passive rewards that I dont want, or the occasional piece of heart.
this game probably blows peoples mind if they find it as hard as people say, but ive been cruising with no issue and im bored. I have no idea why /v/ is crying out for easy mode and patches.

>>720608739
Firebeam seems too obvious but maybe it's just that, the other are missiles as they are always limited in number and you can switch between both, unsure what the others do but looks organic or made of energy so they could be energy missiles for different types of enemies.

>>720608880
I still think he tanks that shot as part of a plan to activate the alien relic.

>>720609150
After 8 years in development there's basically no way it makes it out alive. Especially when Nintendo can just kick the Spaniards to make another 2D game because everything else they make fails.

Nintendo very clearly has no idea how to market it. They didn't even bother to put vo in the last trailer

>>720608739
Whatever it is, it has the exact same ammo count and maximum as missiles. Whether that's dev build fuckery or a mechanic I dunno.

If it was always the same wouldn't make much sense showing the number twice though.

>>720609337
>They didn't even bother to put vo in the last trailer

Implying this is a bad thing.

>>720609337
I feel like that may have been a direct response to people disliking the nintendo narrator in the last trailer

>>720608880
Well he's not big enough to be a final boss so it's already not looking good for him.

>>720596764 (OP)
I'm glad it will be available on the OG Switch.

>>720609218
yea but its not worthy of "flagship franchise" like mario, mariokart, zelda, fire emblem
3 million is huge for the series, but its barely breaking even for a big first party release. botw sold 10x as much. that game sold the console like melee sold the gamecube.
you are kidding yourself if you think metroid is a big release, we metroid fans are the minority of nintendo's playerbase. its a huge shock when they give us anything at all.

>>720609332
Pretty much

>>720609451
>You're too late, Federation dog!
>I have become The Metroid Prime.

>>720604368
prime is literally just the metroid zelda-like series to begin with

>>720609167
Thats what I was thinking becuase the icon on the HUD resembles the shape of the psychic charge shot.
But upon looking back at the second trailer, the guided shot has a separate quantifier, some purple bars that pull in on the hud, pic related.
So presumably, that ammo is something else.

>>720609550
True, I don't see Prime 4 hitting Dread's numbers, I don't even believe it'll hit Prime 1's numbers after this.

>>720607942
At first I thought resi was meant to be the main announcement because I thought it was a brand new unannounced game

>>720609821
No one expected Dread to hit over 4 million sales.

>>720609972
True, some Prime dudes sure thought Prime 4 could hit 4-6 million though, lol. I knew that was a pipedream.

>>720609587
But I killed that thing...like few months ago?

>>720609397
They are separate. interesting though that they have the same max. Maybe coincidental

>>720610229
I just noticed
>green door on the map
super missles confirmed?

>>720610363
Either that or it could be another weapon like beam doors.

With Hyper Mode fucking dead it would make sense for Super Missiles to be back though since Hyper Missiles will no longer exist.

>this game is 28.9GB on the Switch 1
How much did this game cost to make?

I feel like all this dooming is a little premature. There are very large mechanics we know theyre hiding still, most notably time travel. This will all make sense in the end. I feel like everyone has just forgotten that they outright refused to ship the game until it was up to a high standard.

>>720609416
>>720609431
That's still an admission that they don't know how to sell it. Look at how many people genuinely think it's an open world game now when it certainly is not

I unironically only cared about Prime 4 because Sylux made me assume it was gonna have Hunters multiplayer

>>720610229
>you need ammo just to use a psychic laso
Really?

>>720609718
How is this going over everyone's heads all the time. The reason you love Prime is because it's first person Ocarina of Time, complete with cutscenes for everything you do, complete with being locked in an area until you get the ability for solving the puzzles and can leave. It's Zelda.

>>720606737
There is nothing passionate about Metroid

That the people that invented Metroidvanias can't come up with a fucking 100 hour long 2D metroid game with different ACTs, kick ass soundtrack and inspired atmosphere just says it all

You got a team of 4 nerds like Team Cherry absolutely buck breaking the bugs, then you got giant monolopolies that shit out a 7 hour long game every 7 years, and call it a day


Fuck out of here talking about passion and metroid, lmao

>>720609821
>I don't see Prime 4 hitting Dread's numbers
you're retarded

>>720610641
Hiding this much, this late, is cause for concern alone.

>>720611146
Metroidvanias should not be 100 hours long

>>720611048
no its not ammo for her psychic grapple beam, thats just the screenshot I took.

>>720610641
>>720608739
You want speculation? it's the same overworld, the desert, the snow, and the rainforest, you travel between time periods investigating the alien civilization whom only their technology remains behind.

>>720597385
Metroid Direct will probably be November

>>720611146
I don't want 100 hour long metroidvanias
More time to complete isnt always necessarily good.

>>720611312
You can see both the tree and part of the tundra in one of the desert screens.

>>720611146
Silksong is fucking aids, it defiles metroidvania in favor of boss rush.

>>720611254
Why the fuck not?

I just got done finishing silksong, mogs anything Metroid has ever made, its not even funny

>>720611368
where may I ask?

>>720611304
Did anyone else notice how much damage these alien wolves were doing?
Damage feels like it has been increased for this game. Maybe some fights can be quite challenging even if you explore and power up alot

>>720609821
Prime 4 probably needs Dreads numbers just to break even after 8 years

>>720611108
>>720609718
Metroid was always Zeldalike. The mainline games are side scrolling Zelda

>>720611347
If the second Air Riders Direct isn't then, that is. That could be a month before the game like Bananza's Direct was. Or it could very well be early November, I dunno

>>720611426
Hollow kniggers not being obnoxious retards challenge (impossible)

HK is more of a souls clone than a metroidlike anyway (metroidvania is a term used by secondaries who have no idea what they're talking about)

>>720611382
Metroid as low effort games

>>720611562
>>720611347
I would expect it some time around when the artbook releases, and that comes out at the end of october

Something about this sleek ass suit just does it for me.

>>720611862
Does it change the fact it mogs anything Metroid related Nintendo does?

>>720611862
>metroidlike
You trying to be different just makes you sound retarded.

>>720602615
>le fastest hedgehog alive, samus already has a ship & a propulsion system on her back that she can use to speed boost with her chozo suit
No but you might be retarded

>>720597385
Dude, it's clearly open world. You're on a planet and will probably have to go back and forth

>>720612002
That'd be nice, but again, the fact that we know WHAT their next Direct is and not WHEN it is leaves that up in the air

>>720596764 (OP)
Dread was a mistake

>>720611182
You're retarded, after that third trailer, it's not even hitting 2 million.

>>720596983
you can't just put Chaika's face on everything...

>>720611304
The hell she needs ammo for a Grapple Beam?

Do you guys think lore wise it'll still be set after Prime 3 but before Metroid II?

It feels like Samus may be gaining some OP abilities in this

>>720611451
I'll be lucky to even beat even Prime 3 in sales, at this rate, lol.

>>720612002
I don't know why it took them so many years to make a metroid artbook, even awakening selling 1 million was enough to get one and tons of other niche stuff gets artbooks

>>720612446
Lol it's going to sell fine

>>720610641
>still in denial

>>720612021
It does change things because HK does not play like metroid at all you don't get the same experience. And the Metroid experience is far more interesting

>>720612024
I'm not trying to be different I'm speaking with greater accuracy. Metroidvania was originally invented as a term to describe the castlevania games that copied super metroid. You're really gonna try and call me retarded while defending the word "metroidvania" which is one of the most cringe things spoken in the English language

>>720599435
>open world
Is that a Switch 1 or 2 feature? If the versions are supposed to be the same at this point I have massive doubts that the Switch 1 version wouldn't run like a slideshow.

>>720612003
gay

>>720612390
It's a Prime game, not only will they fit in that timeframe, but they'll also find some way to reset her back to normal by the end

>>720612326
idk the people here are dooming over the desert but normalfags slurp up stuff like that

>>720610641
>big ass empty hub desert
>because Samus is as slow as a snail she needs a motorcycle
>dooming
I always knew the first area, the forest looked small, now I know why. This stupid desert is going to take up most of the game with the actual Metroid Prime stuff only being in smaller sections. People have a right to doom about this. 8 years, for this?

>>720612373
No, we have no idea what the ammo is for.
Thats the question.

>>720612708
Problem here is that it's empty and you need a cycle. Normalfags didn't even like Gears 5 for this.

>>720612552
>Metroid experience is far more interesting
Holy mother of s o y

>>720611304
high rez HUD elements look so soulless.
I don't think I like graphics anymore.

>>720612003
It reminds me of the psi armour in XCOM

>>720608880
I hope they don't make him a cool character, only to kill him off in the same game.
Metroid needs more of an actual recurring cast.

>>720612603
Switch 2 runs it at 120fps and Switch 1 runs it at 30fps

>>720610641
Nintendo is pants on head retarded about showing stuff from this game. I get the marketing period hasn't really started for them, but what they showed would be better served in a long trailer/direct section where they can explain what they're trying to do with the desert and the bike. Then again I'm not sure even they understand what they made when they made Super.

>>720606737
Well I'll care so long as the passion stops coming from senile dinosaurs in the industry. But unfortunately you can't say "passion" in this instance since they tried pawning this shitstorm on Bamco initially who probably got tired of their shit and told them to fuck off and make it themselves. Then they pawned it on the ones who actually made it in the first place because they had just spend all that "passion" on Dread: fangasm the game. The game where all that "passion" comes in the form of fanfictions stories from 2004 and apologies for Other:M (Sakamoto's lovechild LOL)

>>720609256
>yea thats not a great thing (for me I guess)
Yeah ok your tastes are just ass then, carry on

>>720613564
the actual answer for why Metroid continues to exist as a thing is that Nintendo knows they need something to fill the niche of "shooty space game that Westerners like", but probably doesn't really understand Metroid.
Every time the Japanese have taken a more hands-on role with Metroid, since they shut down R&D1, it's been a pretty big disaster. At this point they're just like "Okay, we'll let Retro and Mercury Steam handle it".

>>720597143
Samus on a motorcycle feels like they're trying to sell toys, not make a good game.
Metroid's horror and sci-fi roots are practically dead.

>>720604146
>if you want to fast travel around this world
Samus can run ultra fast. Why she needs a Motorcycle?

>>720613505
well, the guy who produced Super Metroid is dead, and the dev team is disbanded.

>>720613869
Metroid exist because it's the queen of Metroidvania, that's it. Prime is just an added bonus.

>>720613919
>practically

>>720614025
She can't shoot while speedboosting.

How many new IPs has Nintendo developed in the past 15 years? Splatoon?

>>720614241
She can't shoot while riding either

>>720613919
>Metroid's horror and sci-fi roots are practically dead.
Sounds like another series

>>720609256
There is something sad about watching a deluded fanatic elevate objectively poor performing games into a pedestal, as a fellow Metroid fanboy myself, I am kinda done wishing for more.

Its become clear to me Nintendo never understood the concepts that made Metroid appeal to westeners, nor how to expand its depth, and create something truly beautiful the entire gaming ecosystem considers it a master piece

The lore is a disjointed mess, with fans baseding over crumbs that are more abstract in their presentation, than actually sustantive in any meaningful way

The gameplay mechanics are playing catch up with Indie titles, and now apparently to fucking mobile games too.


It's sad. It's very sad.

2D Metroid?

Please give me a cool, giant game with a decent story, and gameplay. Go back to your roots, show me Zebes before the fall, let me do quests with the Chozo, let me see their architecture, their houses, their towns, let me see the internal struggles they had, let me see their fall slowly evolve not in a fucking comic, but in a goddam game.

3D Metroid?

Please give me engaging gameplay that trusts me to develop enough skill to make tactical decision on how to approach fearless enemies only a true iron clad space bounty hunter could face, give me exciting fast paced combat where the my choice of weaponry, when and where matters as much as my ability to position myself in 3D space


But no. Metroid has always been, and will always be shallow, lame and superficial. It hasn't evolved much in the last 20 years, it has no depth, it has no passion, it has no vision.

And to make it worse still, Nintendo's obsession with monopoly claws down on any attempt by the fans to show them what they want out of their games.

So, enjoy your Genshin Impact Cuckcycle on yet another souless game, I will not be joining you this time

>>720596764 (OP)

Eric, you shall watch in horror as Prime 4 outsells Ghost of Yotei.

>>720614241
Why would she need to shoot when looking in her general direction while she's boosting atomizes you.

>>720614518
Exactly, more combat variety, screw attack, high jumps, motorcycle is a lazy choice.

>>720614361

Ring Fit Adventure. It outsold FF7 Rebirth.

>>720610641
I'm not dooming I'm concerned. The way the trailer was just spat out in the middle then moved on from immediately concerns me greatly. Kirby gets two dedicated directs and we can't get one voice over as part of the main one

>>720614361
Developed themselves or published? Nintendo doesn't develop a lot of their games.

>>720614148
>Metroid exist because it's the queen of Metroidvania
Was, it hasn't been the Queen for a long time

>>720614678
Ring Fit is nice though it could use more content

>>720614423
>Please give me a cool, giant game with a decent story, and gameplay. Go back to your roots, show me Zebes before the fall, let me do quests with the Chozo, let me see their architecture, their houses, their towns, let me see the internal struggles they had, let me see their fall slowly evolve not in a fucking comic, but in a goddam game.
Sounds like you know jack shit about 2D Metroid yourself.

>>720613869
That would be "fps metroid" and it fills the niche of being literally the only one they have especially after Rare left (which is why they bought Retro as their replacement to fill that role). 2d metroid still exists because Sakurai, Sakamoto just won't fucking quit. He just cannot stop and he really needs to. He doesn't even apologize for Other M, rather he knew full well what a shit show it was going to cause and he released it anyway. And now they're really going to just up and cancel a Bamco game without any gameplay, any mention that they were even making in the first place? No, something doesn't add up. I think he say what they made and shat bricks. Nintendo cancelled it because there was no way he was ever going to make a better game.

>>720610641

Nigger, are you fucking STUPID? EVERY SINGLE Nintendo game that gets announced gets doomed. This has been going on nonstop since 2017.

>>720596764 (OP)
or
just or
or
or
metroid prime 4 has been "in development" since before BOTW
then BOTW became a gigantic hit
and whatever pre-alpha versions of prime4 has been scraped, probably multiple times just to add open world stuff

>>720614361
dozens. Most don't really catch on.

>>720614970
2D Metroid literally exist because it's king Metroidvania, that's it, Sakamoto will give it to a successor which he's already training. Prime exist because it's their FPS I guess but if it doesn't work, I don't know what they will do with that series.

>>720614969
>Sounds like you know jack shit about 2D Metroid yourself.
Yeah, I've only played all of them multiple times, including most of the fanmade rom hacks, and AM2R

>>720596764 (OP)
The fact that the bike is like a.. morph ball bike makes me think the game is creatively bankrupt trash. That's just retarded. It's the kind of idea a suit wearing manager with no soul would come up with.

>>720612708
The latest trailer has 600k views between US and Japan. It's going to have an abysmal attach rate buoyed by the fact that the "only" thing it's competing against on Switch 1 is Pokemon

>>720596764 (OP)
Nintendo is going to have a collective aneurysm when Air Riders flops. They are desperate to think it'll be the big holiday title, and think Sakurai's name means something to casuals.
I fully expect Prime 4 to outsell Air Riders.

>>720615223
>The fact that the bike is like a.. morph ball
It is funny the Morph ball from MP1 became the wheels for the bike

>>720615223
in another universe prime4 released as a regular prime game and you are crying about reused assets and rehashed gameplay
you will never be happy
and thats your fault

>>720614970
because like Sakurai*, he won't fucking quit. His best form of apology was warming back up to the 2d side scrolling silent protag series we once knew. He softball worked it up to "No Samus you are the Metroid: Dread" the game where she says one line in Chozo and not a fucking College girl Essay like in Other:M.

>>720615118
2D Metroid literally exist for the same reason Nintendo does, no I'm not even meming. (pic related)

>Sakamoto will give it to a successor
It isn't his to give, which is the same reason Retro gets to work on it. It's kind of funny, He and Retro have a Rare/Shiggy type of relationship where he throws monkey wrenches in the background whenever the other dev gets to work on "his games".

>Prime exist because it's their FPS I guess but if it doesn't work, I don't know what they will do with that series.
Prime exists so that the people who didn't buy ps2 or xbox back in the day weren't entirely shit out of luck with Wind Wanker and Starfucked Adventures.

I still can't believe they released a prime remaster three years ago and didn't even make 2 and 3 available, even just upscaled

>>720615228

Snoy nigger faggots are still using internet views? They haven't changed at all. Pic related is old, ACNH has sold far more than 22 million.

>>720615354
>oh yeah well in my imaginary scenario I imagine you'd think this, you sure are a dumb asshole for me imagining you'd think that!
what are you, my girlfriend giving me the cold shoulder because I was mean to you in a dream?

>>720615250
Releasing two kart racers so close together seems like a pretty big oversight.

>>720615576
name one thing you like other than being a faggot
you can literally win this argument by being creative or lazy, the choice is yours

I don't care what previews for metroid prime 4 looks like. I'm just going to wait until I play it. All the previews and videos for bananza looked fucking retarded to the point I didn't want to even touch the game, but once I played it it's now my goty and one of the best games I've ever played

I don't even know how you properly market a Prime game. There's barely any cutscenes, and most of the general gameplay time is pretty plodding with the odd lock-on combat. It's not flashy to catch your eye, which is probably why Dread's cutscenes were pretty amped up relative to every other Metroid before it.

>>720615621
my summer car

>>720615715
not video games but alright

>>720615250
I don't think they expect air raiders to be a big hit
but it's the only way they can convince sakurai to sign on for another smash, by letting him do what he wants

I don't think prime 4 will outsell raiders

>>720615474
Dude Sakamoto and his entire 2D Metroid team makes sure every game is consistent with the main series. He's fine with other working on the series because the Metroid team works on other games, not just Metroid, you entitled ninny.

>>720615250
I don’t think they care if it flops. They’re just doing it so Sakurai doesn’t resent the company for only wanting Smash out of him and nothing else.

>>720615539
>thinking perfect storm COVID-19 lockdown animal crossing is representative of METROID
I haven't had a Playstation since PS2, btw. Metroid Dread was getting 1~2 million views on trailers leading up to launch and sold 3M; do you really think MP4 is going to outperform that?

>>720615250
I'm more excited for Raiders than Prime 4, I would get that over Prime 4 any day.

>>720597441
Metroid doesn't sell well enough to justify the effort. Dread's the highest selling game at just 3 mil.

>>720599328
>pretending

>>720615250
Prime 4 will outsell it simply because it's coming to Switch 1 as well. It is baffling to me Air Riders is Switch 2 exclusive with the visuals it's pulling.

>>720615665
Bananza looked amazing after its direct. They're probably not even going to do a direct here, same as dread.

>>720615779
>Dude Sakamoto and his entire 2D Metroid team makes sure every game is consistent with the main series
>He's fine with other working on the series because the Metroid team works on other games, not just Metroid,
So nothing I said was wrong and my comparison in right on point. Exactly like Shiggy and Rare. Maybe Retro and Sakamoto could team up together and make a Metroid adventure game of sorts.

>>720615613
Yes. Smash isn't popular because of Sakurai's obsessive autism; it's popular because it's a nostalgia-driven party game anyone can pick up. You could get Meng Doo to pick characters for the game and people would eat that shit up, because all they've ever cared about is appearances and cameos they can cream their pants about.
Air Riders is in the Kirby universe, which isn't that big outside of Japan. Air Riders will do about a million, with most being in Japan. Metroid will sell 2 million of the back of Metroid tragics, bike or no.

>>720599328
The vehicle sections in Jak 3 unironically had more going on with detailing and landmarks than what we saw in Prime 4's trailer. Outside of texture resolution of course, because it's a PS2.

>>720615670
>I don't even know how you properly market a Prime game
Look at old gameplay trailers for the first Prime. Of course, those worked because the gameplay was fun (or at the very least looked it) and shit looked cool as fuck, so marketing can only go so far based on what's available to market. A fucking bike riding around an open world that makes BotW look like a content mosh pit by comparison is likely very telling about what the game has to offer at its core.

>>720615925
Its open world is doing more than just being a desert with a dirt bike.

>>720615354
there are ways you can revamp the gameplay that aren't inserting an open world for no reason.
I was hoping for wall runs, personally.

>release Prime 1 Remastered
>Release Prime 4 two and a half years later
I feel like most people will ignore it simply because they haven't played 2 & 3 due to no availability of it on Switch.

>>720615118
Sakamoto doesn't really have a successor. Funny enough, Tanabe does (Risa Tabata)

>>720616061
wouldnt that diminish double jump and spiderball?

>>720615964
I honestly thought bananza looked stupid in the direct. I honestly wouldn't have touched it if my son wasn't obsessed with donkey kong but I'm glad I did because bananza is so fucking good

>>720615971
>Metroid will sell 1 million of the back of Metroid tragics, bike or no
Only two games in this series sold over 2 million and only one crossed over 3 million. Prime 4, the way it's looking is a 1 million game. You're being way too optimistic for a disappointment.

>>720615970
>maybe retro and sakamoto could team up
yeah about that

>>720616075
He does, the current guy in Japan directing 2D Metroid like he once did.

>>720616091
Fair, as soon as they showed the fucking transformations I knew they were cooking with gas.

>>720616101
*Fixed

>>720616126
Sometimes, people are just stubborn about making something happen. Even if it's terrible.

>>720616126
The only fucking thing they do right with western companies is make semen demons, I swear.

>>720615835
>Bu -bu bu Muh Covid

Typical delusional Snoy nigger faggot response. Mario Wonder outsold Wokeman 2, yet Wokeman 2 had more views. Hmmmmm?

>>720616252
Still forever waiting on Wonder to get a decent sale. Maybe next March 10th.

>>720616150
The directors aren't consistent, SR and dread have different JP directors (mercurysteam director is the same guy though). Risa Tabata is an assistant producer on a lot of games Tanabe produces.

>>720616126
Whose idea was it, his or theirs, lol?

>>720616335
Sakamoto was a director before becoming a producer and one of those directors is Japanese.

>>720616314

And what is even worse for Sony is that Wokeman 2 was heavily bundled while Wonder wasn't bundled, yet Wonder fucking raped Wokeman 2 in sold units. Who are those Wokeman views coming from? Makes you Wonder...

>>720616101
Metroid Dread sold over 3 million. Historical sales of a 40-year-old franchise don't matter. You're only ever as good as your last match.
If Dread can do over 3 million, Prime 4 can clear 2 million.

>>720616091
My opinion of Banaza changed the moment I seen Pauline and the Bananza transformation. The female villain monkey and the returning King K Rool, sealed the deal for me.

>>720616448
>Prime 4 can clear 2 million
lol, no it can't its hype dried up. Can't believe you're still hyping this up after the empty desert with motorcycle trailer.

>>720616426
Wonder was bundle in Europe and Asia. Just not North America.

>>720616089
have challenging segments that link together wall runs and double jumps.

>>720616557
It'll still do better than an half-rate kart racer in a franchise where the average person can name a single character.

I'm not trying to be a doomer or a hater, but I feel like this is maybe the end of Prime and Nintendo either felt obligated or pigheaded enough to push through the release. At least 2D Metroid seems to be safe for a bit, really that and Pikmin seem like the only "niche" Nintendo franchises left.

>>720604414
>Nintendo may not care about the Prime series all that much.
If this was true they wouldn't have bothered with restarting it and would've shoved it out the door no matter how crappy it was looking.

>>720616623

Those were wonder Christmas bundles. Wokeman 2 was aggressively bundled all over the place and it still lost. Wonder sold more than its views, Wokeman 2 sold FAR less than its views.

>>720617103
Spiderman 2 was also pivoted as a system seller, since everything else major that Sony released, was also on PS4 at the time. Wonder came out when Switch 1 was already well established in its market.

Of course it blew in their face due to massively inflated development budget, that we got to see thanks to the Insomniac leaks. It's just a prestige game release. Granted I hardly know anyone that's played either that or Wonder.

>>720596764 (OP)
The marketing would probably benefit from having an autistic director like Sakurai
Every one of the trailers just looked sloppy, like they wanted to show off the bike because bikes are cool, but then had no notes on how to do so to make it look cool. Someone like Sakurai would have given the marketing team a five page presentation on how to show off the Akira slide attack and would've made them repeat it a few hundred times to sync up perfectly with the music. Instead it's just sort of there in some generic gameplay

>>720596764 (OP)
>>720607947
is there a name for this sort of style, the architecture for the alien tech is very sleek and looks like something straight out of 2000s futurism

>>720617383

Views vs sales you dumbass, That's the point. The internet is NOT real life.

>>720617836
You're comparing evergreen franchises and some of the most popular media ever made to Metroid.

The motorcycle thing looks way more fun than slogging through Magmoor Caverns a zillion times and I got a release date so im happy.

>>720617970

I'm simply saying you cant use views to predict sales especially for Nintendo games. Its not rocket science.

>>720614423
Storyfags should get the Charlie Kirk treatment.

>>720618064
Views are not 1:1, but views slipping precariously as a game gets closer to release is generally not a good sign. MP4 only needs a 1% attach rate to be among the more successful Metroid releases. Could it do that? Maybe. I could also see it being completely overshadowed by Pokemon among the general public and only hitting 1M on the backs of the diehards.

>>720618048
I want to make an edit where Charlie is hit with the Imperialist

>>720602861
Ayo this series deadass dead af, ain't even got 500k viewers on Twitch, fuck this zesty-ass gay-ass unc shit fr fr *crying-laughing emoji* *skull emoji*

>>720616557
every prime game sells more than its respective 2D counter part except federation force, prime 4 is also cross gen with switch 1. It's silly to think it won't sell well by metroid standards

>>720596764 (OP)
Metroid is Extreme-G now.

No complains though.

>>720616405
ok and?

>>720596764 (OP)
Samus on a bike is the stupidest, most un-Metroid design decision they could ever have implemented

>>720611426
This is why I can't stand you Hollowniggers. You don't fucking understand the genre you claim to be kings of. There are two ways to have longevity in a game. One is to stretch it out for dozens and dozens of hours. The other is to make a game of a tighter length that is easy to replay and rewards experimentation. Metroid is the latter. I guarantee you that most Metroid fans have put more hours into any given Metroid game than they have into Hollow Knight or Silksong, despite them being "longer", because Metroid games are built to be played over and over again, while Hollowslop is built to be played once so you can gush about the "experience" on Reddit.

>>720619224
>The other is to make a game of a tighter length that is easy to replay and rewards experimentation
But hollow knight is that as well

>>720619360
Hollow Knight takes much longer to get good than Metroid games, which start good and get better. 3-4 hours in a Metroid game is much better paced and higher quality than 3-4 hours of slogging through HK.

>>720616126
Why have I never heard about this 'Harmony' project before, and why was it canned again?

>>720619576
>>720619576
>Why have I never heard about this 'Harmony' project before
Because it was dogshit.
>and why was it canned again?
Because it was dogshit.

>>720619576
there was a fuck huge leak about it, nintendo scrubbed a bunch of youtube vids but you can still easily look it up

>>720596764 (OP)
Nintendo knows the game is shit, and got tired of the constant delays and funding it. I mean, compare it to how they hype up Air Riders.

>>720619224
You are talking to someone that has played every single Metroid game, and has been a fan of the franchise for 20 years. That includes playing Metroid X fusion, AM2R and the sillier, simple NES roms

You are the one who doesn't know jack shit, I've replayed HK more than 4 times, kek.
Yet at the end of the day I prefer Hollow Knight cause you can tell they actually care about the world, while in Metroid I have to sit an wonder why the fuck Ridley is back even if it makes zero sense lore wise, its like they are running on the same 3 or 4 ideas from 20 years ago, and cannot expand the world in any significant way

>>720618391
To be honest, when Japs attend at storytelling is Another M, I am almost inclined to side with you.

THE BABY METROID!!! OH MY GOD ADAM, TELL ME WHAT TO DO, DADDY!
PLEASE!

>>720622250
I'd tell you to go back to your containment thread but the mods are keen on allowing no less than five reddit knight generals at once at all times.

>>720596764 (OP)
Metroid isn't a big hit franchise like Mario, Zelda and Pokemon. That marketing is fine for how Nintendo sees Metroid.

>>720613389
>Switch 1 runs it at 30fps

nope. Switch 1 runs it at 60.

>>720617039
They seem to be doing that now, lol.

>>720619012
Given that it has less hype than Dread, I can see it selling less.

>>720619060
Same thing applies here, plus Dread was the end of a story arc. Next game is like the series starting over.

>>720622419
Fuck off, you absolute lower being. I've been waiting for MP4 for a fucking decade, and I am being a good faith actor with my thoughts.

>>720619042
Man, I could go for a new fucking Extreme-G.

>>720615884
>A series whose games sell 1million+ copies isn't worth the effort.

>>720624093
Normally I'd agree, but this is Nintendo where their track record is 15mil+ on every other major IP they release stuff of.

>prime comes out, arguably one of the best looking games ever at the time
>prime 4 finally coming out
>it looks like a game from 2006

This is how I know it's going to be dogshit. Enjoy hunting down koroks for missile upgrades.

>>720596764 (OP)
Was it marketed poorly? I though it was fine.

>>720623646
you're speaking gibberish, none of that has anything to do with sakamoto having a successor, SR and dread didn't even have the same JP director

>>720615516
Now would have been the time, but they don't think that way. Best case scenario is that they do it for the 40th next year. They'd undoubtedly charge full price like they are with the Galaxy games, but it would be the first time they actually acknowledge the series on a milestone, instead of just Zelda like usual.

>>720596764 (OP)
>Metroid Prime, a series that got progressively shittier with every game
>MP4 looks like shit
Say it ain't so!

>>720624490
Takahashi already stated he wanted 2D Metroid, that can happen without or without Sakamoto. When he retires, 2D Metroid isn't going to just die, those days ended the moment Dread became the highest selling Metroid game in this entire series. Sakamoto may not even be as involve with future games like he was in the past when it comes to future 2D Metroid games.

>>720624846
*with
Fuck it's late

>>720624846
Sakamoto already made statement during Direct that Dread was going to be the last Metroid game of 'Chozo' saga which means that future of series can be turn to different direction in this point.

>>720625649
He said "Metroid" Saga, not Chozo Saga