Thread 720728361

Why did we hate this game so much again?

>>720728361 (OP)
Gone Homo

Where is the gameplay?

I remember seeing this on steam when it first came out and i thought it was a horror game, only to later discover its just a walking sim

It's a walking sim but it wasn't created by a short nip, so everyone hates it.

>>720728361 (OP)
Homophobia and gamer chauvinism

>>720728361 (OP)
>things were just beginning to get gay and we didn't understand how good we had it

>>720728361 (OP)
1. It's gay
2. No gameplay
3. Presented itself as a horror game, but the closest thing to a spook is a TV turning on.

Mostly just contrarianism out of other people enjoying it. I don't remember if this was immediately after or before the Anita Sarkeesian drama, but that didn't help. This was the early days of "Anyone with different beliefs from us should stop making games" mentality that is all too present nowadays.

>>720728361 (OP)
Because it's a mediocre walking simulator that was excessively praised by gaming journalists who wanted games to focus more on "emotional story writing" at the expense of mechanics and the game aspect itself

>>720728361 (OP)
critic wank

It barely counts as a game

>>720728361 (OP)
Game?

>>720728361 (OP)
Cant you beat this game in like 2 min or something?

>>720728361 (OP)
I didn't, but it's not a game. I hated the JOURNALISTS who gave it 10/10, but it was very good for filtering out people who were completely worthless in the industry.

>>720731939
Yeah, if you speedrun it. So?

Walking simulator that gets 10/10 from everyone

Gone Home is a far better game than anyone on /v/ gives it credit for. It was partially inspired by Thief and it carries that influence on its sleeve in terms of environmental storytelling and exploration. Another stated influence is Super Metroid, which is the reason the game allows sequence breaking.
But the real brilliance is in how it challenges our notion of what a game is. What, indeed, is the "goal" of Gone Home? If you think it's simply to get to the end, to force the game into a finished state, you can do that in a few seconds. But then you'd miss out on all the context that the devs wanted you to experience. The real goal of Gone Home is exploration and putting together the story from disparate clues. It just doesn't tell you this.
So you could skip straight to the end and jump to the entirely wrong conclusion: your sister is dead.
You can play the game through looking only for the "audio logs" and piece together a basic plot.
But you can also pay attention to the environment and discover an entirely hidden subplot about generational trauma and abuse that contextualises the drama of the main plot.
And in this sense, there is a double twist: the game IS a ghost story, after all; it is entirely about being haunted by ghosts from the past. But the ghosts are of a metaphorical nature.

The game was made by a competent dev team that knew its classics and had a deep understanding of video game storytelling. It's honestly a watershed moment for video games. And I mean all of this unironically.

>>720732182
Are you trans? Just curious

>>720732182
I got bored of playing it, but I appreciate this post, anon.

Journos masturbated over it so hard, it was obnoxious

>>720732435
>People like something
>Some retard on /v/ doesn't like that they like something
>They spam 4chan with screenshots of them liking something
>Average /v/irgin gets annoyed and decides to hate those people too rather than the spammer
Many such cases

>>720728361 (OP)
because yume nikki did the same thing but better in every single way

>>720732182
That moment in Gone Home when I shot the water arrow at the torch to avoid detection was pure art

>>720730938
>>720731569
>>720732182

>>720732364
No, but his AI unit is.

>>720732512
>journos shill a shitty game like it's the next classic game that will revolutionize the medium
>it blatantly isn't
>just accept the journo shilling goy
kill yourself

>>720732797
>Journos can't like something because... They just can't, ok?!

>>720728361 (OP)
Mogged by MyHouse.wad lol

>>720732364
No, are you?
>>720732370
It's not exactly the sort of game you're meant to play over and over.
>>720732589
You fail to appreciate that it was not just interacting systems that made Thief immersive and believable, but also the naturalistic approach to level design. Gone Home takes that approach and distills it to its core. The way Thief tells little stories in its environment, not just through readables but through environmental details, that is what Gone Home took and said "what if that's just what the game is?"

Some people, like myself, initially thought it was a horror game and felt bait and switched. I don't hate walking sims and my biggest issue was that it was just fucking boring. You knew the sister was a lesbian immediately so there was no mystery there and the rest of the "gameplay" is slowly walking through the house. I remember the side plot of the parents doing a couples retreat or something because one of them was cheating being way more compelling than just "muh lesbian lover, let's run away". What Remains of Edit Finch is the pinnacle of walking sims and blows this shit out of the water.

>>720728361 (OP)
It is a walking simulator with a shoddily written story that got praised in gaming media because the creators were in bed with journos or something like that
It's not worthy of praise and it deserves to be hated on because it's a walking simulator

>>720729936
I ask gacha's that question everyday as it saves gaming.

>>720733193
Without Gone Home, no Edith Finch. Gone Home crawled so that Edith Finch could run. If they had seen further than most, it was because they stood on the shoulders of giants.

Though, again, to dispense with the hyperbole, Gone Home itself takes direct inspiration from several video game classics.

>>720732945
Ah yes, I forgot that Theif and Super Metroid were both only supposed to be played once.

>>720728361 (OP)
Other than sexism? Because it's a non-game.

>>720733193
I didn't play through the entirety of Gone Home and I pirated it, but I remember some side story in it about the JFK assassination that I thought was cool.

>>720733512
What a non sequitur

>>720728361 (OP)
I mean the thread has already said it, it's a moment you'd find in immsims made into a full game, complete with audio logs.
It's not bad, it's just whatever.

>>720733383
>Without Gone Home, no Edith Finch.
Possibly, but it's not like Gone Home was the first walking sim. Boring ass Dear Esther came out like a decade prior and I'm sure many were released before that game.

>>720732937
/thread

captcha: SARSD

>>720733871
That does not justify the hatred

>>720734525
Anon downplayed the fuck out of it. It was given 9 and 10/10 scores by every journo compared to actual games with actual gameplay that came out the same year.

Your "game" doesn't get scores like that unless you're in the club, so it was just more fuel for the gamergate fire.

>>720734794
This was a year before gamergate. And I contend that the game received high scores because it's a perfectly self-contained experiment in video game storytelling that sets out what it intends to do very well.

It was kinda neat rummaging around a house getting an idea of what the lives of the occupants were like. Also the crucifix jumpscare was funny.

>zoomers discover the walking sim
Dear Esther, To the Moon, and Edith Finch are the trifecta of games that are actually novels with audiovisual components
Edith Finch in particular is an animated Shel Silverstein shape poem book

The problem is of course when people are used to having mechanics in games try to square their experience with someone using a game engine to do something else. It's a feeling of dissonance which naturally leads to disgust

>>720735506
All of those games do have mechanics, and if you feel dissonance, let alone disgust, at a walking sim, I think you're taking your "gamer identity" a bit too seriously

>>720728361 (OP)
It's a penny dreadful romance novel with the shlockiest of shlocky "muh forbidden love" plot where the characters burn their entire lives to the ground for the love interest they met 20 minutes ago and we just have to take it on faith they don't break up or end up broke in a ditch somewhere after the credits because that's the most likely outcome realistically. It also has exactly none gameplay, so nothing that could possibly forgive the awful story. The only reason it got any attention at all was because the specific reason Muh Love was Forbidden was because it was gay, so mental invalids (game journalists) insisted this garbage fire was BOLD and DEEP, thus ensuring undue attention in the era before the masses truely understood how fucking stupid game journalists were.

>>720735152
>I contend that the game received high scores because it's a perfectly self-contained experiment in video game storytelling that sets out what it intends to do very well.
Not compared to Papers, Please. Better gameplay, better story, better presentation. Only difference is it didn't have a faggot at the end to suck off the journos.

Gamegate was the boiling point btw, not some random upset caused by a slut. Everyone knew game journos were doing shady shit and dropping standards, and Gone Home was just more kindling for the fire.

>>720736870
>Not compared to Papers, Please.
Something entirely different. There is room for both.
They are also one point apart on Metacritic for critic reviews (out of 100). Only the user scores diverge drastically. Maybe it's not the critics who are being unfair.

>>720728361 (OP)
I got way too far into this game before realizing it wasn't going to be a horror game.
I didn't hate it though, it's fine for what it is.

>>720728361 (OP)
It was interesting but it cost too much for what it is, tried to present itself as a horror game, out of touch fart sniffing journos sucked it off, and it centred.too mich around faggotry
I still liked it though and might play it again. Good atmosphere, good environmental storytelling
Not a game though

>>720735152
It did do what it set out to do well, but let's not kid ourselves. It received high scores because game journalists are faggots

>>720732626
>i said the word
>please love me 4chan
lmao

>>720731693
Didn't help that the story was extremely bland and boring.

>>720734226
Didn't they both come out around the same time?

>>720731032
interracial marriage really was the start of the slippery slope

>>720732182
It’s a shitty walking sim that wastes both a very comfy atmosphere and intriguing mystery on retarded gay teen drama shit.

>>720732868
Journos don’t like anything, they’re retarded drones that get paid to advertise and pretend to like shit. They’re barely even human.

>>720728361 (OP)
I thought it was a pretty cool game that sincerely tried to do something different and managed to succeed. Unfortunately, it along with pic related signaled the beginning of the LGBTQ's infiltration into videogames, and it was treated as the absolute height of faggot pretension. Virtue signaling journalists ate it up and called everyone who didn't like it a bigot or an ignorant dumbass or some shit, and of course you had "real gamers" who argued that as a game it was a failure since the gameplay had no depth and so on and so forth.

There was no chance /v/ could like this game. It's like the anti-/v/ since /v/ is and always has been largely populated by retarded, insecure teenage brats.

>>720728361 (OP)
It was a neat "walk through a 90s house with no power" simulator, with a spooky lesbian jump scare at the end.

Certainly not GOTY material like journalists tried to pretend it was, but it just happened to come out at the peak of that nonsense, so it got propped up as something that it wasn't.

>>720732182
>But you can also pay attention to the environment and discover an entirely hidden subplot about generational trauma and abuse that contextualises the drama of the main plot.
>"a friend from school invited me to play videogames"
>"what a fucking weirdo, i hate him"
this poor opressed girl

>>720728361 (OP)
>Short, dull walking simulator
>Thematically it's probably one of the earliest examples of an unmistakably "woke" video game
>Gaming journos sucked it off like it was the second coming of Christ

>>720728361 (OP)
neo-/v/ would probably love it considering all the undertale zoom zooms on this board

>>720737614
It was kind of the equivalent of Oscar bait, true. But it's still well-made and thought-provoking. Not because of its story, but because of how it's told.
>>720740417
Four years apart.
>>720741365
>called everyone who didn't like it a bigot or an ignorant dumbass or some shit
Let's not act lke those terms were wholly inappliccable here.

>>720728361 (OP)
it should have been a passing fart in the wind but gaming media decided this was the new golden standard for narrative in video games because it was gay and made by a women. Then they made anyone who disagreed that this boring walking sim about homos was great out to be pic related.

>>720741818
The writing and story were unironically awesome and the game was very atmospheric. The devs put a shit ton of effort into creating a really believable giant home full of shit that invoked nostalgia and made the people the game was about seem real.

It was so far removed from what /v/ considered to be their favorite games that as soon as anyone even tried to claim that they liked it, they'd get dogpiled by 20 anons just calling them fags. I doubt most of the people who shit on it here didn't even bother playing it, or played it for like 2 seconds, realized it was slow and required reading and exploration, and dropped it because they thought it was boring.

It's fine if you think the game's boring-- it wasn't made to be like God Hand. But at least have the balls to admit that you didn't give it an honest chance.

>>720742531
>Let's not act lke those terms were wholly inappliccable here
Yeah, that's true-- most of it really was just straight up bigotry. Hell, you can even see that in this very thread 10+ years later lmao.

Kind of presumptuous to assume that the reason people didn't like it was because they are stupid, though. There are plenty of valid reasons for not liking the game, like it being boring. It's one of those games that requires deliberate interest to keep playing, and calling someone stupid because they don't have deliberate interest in it is extremely pretentious.

>>720742650
>>720743162
It's honestly refreshing to see some nuanced opinions about this game on /v/, other than my own. I wonder, are you also generally sceptical when /v/ decides to hate any newly announced game for being "woke"?

>>720742650
im not the anon who you're replying to, i played it years after the initial shitstorm without any bias aside from "that one game /v/ dislikes for some reason", as a fan of atmospheric "walking sim" games i was eager to give it a try and in that sense it was amazing, especially at the time when just two years prior people were shitting themselves because you could inspect the 3D items in your inventory in skyrim.
The storytelling was well blended into the "gameplay" as you explored the house, but the story itself was horrible, incredibly bad, the kind of bad that only a privileged white girl born in the late 90's whose only bad childhood memory was getting an used car instead of a brand new pink beetle with a cupholder can write.
the story is basically "i like this girl, my parents don't like her (for good reasons), im mad at my parents, i guess im gay now, goodbye." which is an incredibly payoff when there were much more interesting plot elements like the dead-end career of her dad against the flourishing career of her mom or the obvious one that is the mystery of the previous owner of the house (which never gets resolved)

Tacoma suffers from the same fate of having an amazing atmosphere with completely insufferable characters that you're supossed to root for, that game makes me so mad i replay it every now and then to remember how mad it gets me.
im glad the genre didn't die with it since we got much better games since

>>720743570
It's hard to say. I remember back when I first started hearing about BG3 all I ever saw people post about it was the bear sex and gay sex and this and that, and so I just assumed the game probably *was* some woke shit. I didn't have much interest in it myself, so naturally I took whatever I was seeing at face value. But once people started going bananas about what an awesome game it actually is and it received universal acclaim and the posting about bears and gay sex died down, it made it painfully clear how desperately some people here try to push that narrative for whatever reason.

Moral of the story is that I know for sure that I can't depend on /v/ for an accurate assessment of a game. Especially not these days. Only way to know if a game is good or not is to play it myself, which is exactly what I do. To say that /v/ doesn't affect the way I view a game at first is definitely not true, though. It's unfortinate that I don't know of any better place to get news about games than this fucking board.

>>720728361 (OP)
https://youtu.be/p9qlm8olmn0?si=Wi_3srwnNfHhh7Kf

Edith Finch was better in every way

>>720744179
Anon, everyone has their own kind of suffering and it manifests itself in many different ways.

>he story is basically "i like this girl, my parents don't like her (for good reasons), im mad at my parents, i guess im gay now, goodbye."
I hate to break it to you, but that attitude of yours is literally what causes people like that chick to turn out the way they do. You scoff at what they are dealing with and think it's petty because you literally can't (or choose not to) understand it.

>>720744179
>which is an incredibly payoff when there were much more interesting plot elements like the dead-end career of her dad against the flourishing career of her mom or the obvious one that is the mystery of the previous owner of the house (which never gets resolved)
There are hints that the father inherited the house from a family member who was abusive to him in the past; specifically that something happened to him on the day of the Kennedy assassination, which is why he wrote a book about going back in time to prevent the assassination as a way to cope with his trauma. This same trauma is causing the difficulties in his marriage.
You're right, the main plot is neither the most interesting nor the most interestingly told part of Gone Home.

>>720728361 (OP)
Calling it a game is a serious stretch, considering there's no challenge to it.
The story is hardly interesting, you wander around the house collecting keys and clues about your stupid teenage slut sister, reading her notes about falling in love with another teenage slut, eventually finding out that they ran away together.
There's no atmosphere, I don't remember there being any music, there's no other characters except those mentioned, the graphics and art style if I remember are just assets, and if that's not bad enough, you can accidentally "beat" it in less than a minute.
Normally we'd ignore it if this was the case, but when this shit started happening
https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/15/gone-home-review
https://www.metacritic.com/game/gone-home/
https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/gone-home-review/1900-6413000/
https://www.gamesradar.com/gone-home-review/
that's when the hate turned on.
Rightfully so, it's a mediocre walking sim, and a bad puzzle game. You can't possibly hate this "game" enough.

>>720745684
maybe so, but there are much better and more interesting ways to portray a failing nuclear family of the 90's and the struggle of a teenage girl figuring out her sexuality than trying to making me feel bad for her because her parents didn't like her punk friend

>>720746358
>Calling it a game is a serious stretch, considering there's no challenge to it.
That the discourse hasn't moved beyond this in twelve years is honestly an indictment of gamers.

>>720746376
It's authentic teen drama for people who were teenagers in the 90s

>>720733383
The Stanley Parable came out before Gone Homo.

>>720746667
And was clever for completely different reasons.

>>720728361 (OP)
It's about a girl getting groomed by her older lover and being convinced to rob her family and run away

>>720744179
The previous owned killed himself for being a pedophile homo.

>>720728361 (OP)
game journos insistence on propping this game up is mostly what caused the backlash. it would have come and gone without much acknowledgement otherwise.

>>720746376
>there are much better and more interesting ways to portray...
Honestly, I don't think there are.

It's not a very interesting premise to begin with, and that's kind of the fucking point. Most people's lives aren't interesting, but everyone experiences things that, no matter how uninteresting to everyone else, means *EVERYTHING* to them. And, more often than not, those things end up being mocked or belittled by others because it is hard to appreciate the depth of something you haven't experienced for yourself. That's where this whole concept of "trauma" comes from, and why people become intensely attached to those who they feel like genuinely understand them.

>>720740417
The Unfinished Swan came out a full year before Gone Home and it had more gameplay and a more interesting story.

Because it’s what started it all.
If this game didn’t come out we would not be electing a New Hitler in a few years

>>720747292
If anything it seems the problem was that people noticed that the journos were colluding behind the scenes and trying to push narratives.

>>720747602
Jesus Christ m8, get a grip, not everything is a conspiracy. You can be cynical about the fact that game journos love a game about lesbians but the thing is, game journos love a game about lesbians. They don't have to coordinate liking that because they already do.

>>720747305
the late 90's is when the facade of the perfect american nuclear family began to fall, the economy began to take a nosedive and yet people still were clinging onto hope that it would get better, painting that from the perspective of a blissfully unaware teenager against their parents who were on the verge of a crisis would have been pretty interesting, especially considering there were already elements of it like >>720745818 points out

>>720746494
kek yeah pretty much

Gamers literally are the lowest common denominator, though. If a game's main hook is good writing then chances are that you'll alienate a giant chunk of them. There's really no help for it-- just comes with the territory.

>>720728361 (OP)
This was when /v/ became all about politics and crying and looking for ways to be triggered, and things have never gone back since.

>>720748208
Not him but it wasn't some grand conspiracy it was more like devs fucking journos for favors i.e. high review scores

>>720728361 (OP)
Fuckers charged 20 dollars for it and the gaming press absolutely felated the shit out of it far beyond what the reality of what you get for your twenty would suggest.

>>720748657
Also no.

>>720748657
Anon, game journos fancy themselves to be writers. I mean, they literally *are* writers, but anyway-- as the anon stated before, no one had to fuck anyone to convince them that they'd love a game that can be universally considered "well-written" by anyone who has ever had an interest in literature.

Anons just can't see the forest for the trees, but that's always the case with conspiracy nuts.

>>720748778
Holy shit kek yeah I completely forgot about this. It being so expensive also added to how polarizing it was.

>>720748535
...wasn't that literally what the story was about, though? Or at least you as the player are the sibling who didn't know about any of that shit.

I loved the game at the time.

>>720743570
I examine and if it has woke shit I call it woke. In the modern day there aren’t characters that happen to be gay or black there are only characters with that predominant trait as their entire identity.

>>720742650
When you make a game like that and try to create intrigue around some massive secret and leave clues all around only for it to be “my retarded sister ran off with her retarded girlfriend and my parents chased after them” then ultimately it’s all for naught. Effort alone doesn’t make something good, someone can spend years modeling the perfect characters and environments but if it can’t come together or be made into something good then it’s basically worthless.

>>720728361 (OP)
Mouthwashing is Gone Home for boys.

>>720728361 (OP)
Ground zero of wokeshit in gaming
Also, the game is overpriced trash

>>720751068
In other words, you examine it to see if it has a gay or black character and just assume from that point.

why are people shilling for this again?

>>720751243
>my retarded sister ran off with her retarded girlfriend and my parents chased after them
As we have mentioned several times in this thread, it's the story behind *WHY* any of this happened is what makes it intriguing. The entire game revolves around piecing it all together.

>>720751638
Because the j00s want you to become a lesbian and run off with your girlfriend. It will make them many shekels.

>>720751748
>Assuming anyone on 4chan is a woman
Isn't it usually the opposite?

>>720751578
In other words I examine if the characters are written to be characters and not idpol soap boxes. But nice strawman, you fags wonder why you keep losing and yet never think it could be that you can never actually argue what’s being said.

>>720728361 (OP)
I liked the exploration of the house, it felt novel to me - same for that gone esther game

I'm thinking of replaying it

>>720746494
v has no self awareness, will criticize walking sims and "movie games"
then play almost nothing but vns and jrpgs (no gameplay)
seeing e33 being praised a "goty" here would be funny if it wasnt so sad

>>720748208
What happened with journalists in the early 10s so they suddenly started loving gays, blacks, and hating whites?

>>720751680
It’s not, it’s some shit that only a retarded hormonal teenager (or someone who is one mentally) would find engaging or interesting. You’re basically fucking around a house to find out that your sister is having a temper tantrum cause mom and dad didn’t want her to go see the new movie, only it’s gay shit.

>>720728361 (OP)
I never hated it, I just ignored it like every other game that doesn't interest me because spending all your time obsessing over 4chan idpol is poison to one's brain

>>720728361 (OP)
because it's Dear Esther (another game that sucks because instead of actually doing anything you walk down a hall while listening to a narrator) but gay.
at least The Stanley Parable had you making any actual choices ("when Stanley came to a set of two doors, he entered the one on his right" *enters the left door*)

>>720751969
>or someone who is mentally ill
Right, that's kind of a huge part of the game's story. Since you're the absolute portrait of mental health yourself, it's unlikely that a game that depicts trauma at the emotional level would appeal to you.

>>720746494
Discourse about whether or not the moon is made of cheese also hasn't moved beyond 'no, obviously not and any retard can see that' in quite some time.

>>720751805
Oh right, nevermind. I guess the psyop this time was actually to convince the men to become trannies and THEN to become lesbians and run off with their girlfriends. Everyone knows turning men into lesbians is extremely profitable.

>>720751806
>In other words I examine if the characters are written to be characters and not idpol soap boxes
I really don't think you do.
>But nice strawman
You see a gay character and think "I bet being gay is his entire personality" and go looking for any scrap of evidence to confirm it. Yet you hand me evidence to think you're an unreasonable bigot and I can't assume that's your whole personality? If you think I'm being unfair then maybe reconsider what you're doing.

>>720752173
Never said anything about mental illness. Just pointed out that it would appeal to teenagers and people that are teenagers mentally. But nice slip I suppose. Also they wasted the intrigue on that retarded conclusion. As it turns out people aren’t going to sympathize with a spoiled brat that runs off because she was told no.

>>720751857
>Media stopped talking about banks and bailouts after the financial crisis
>But OWS mainstreamed some previously fringe left ideas
Again, not a conspiracy. Believe it or not but people genuinely care about these things. Also, the racism discourse is about *countering* "race war" - if you think the race war is a distraction from class war then why are you doubling down on racism? If you truly think you're being manipulated by the media to care about race, then just stop?

But I guess da j00s just went around and paid off even the lowliest games journalist to talk about social justice issues, that sounds way more likely

>>720728361 (OP)
Its shit for horror. If you want GOOD horror I have two for you
>Jisatsu
>Prognostic
I specialize in horror games.

>>720752187
Yes, so why do the majority of gamers still insist that it's obvously cheese?

>>720728361 (OP)
>the real horror was finding out one of your family members is a homosexual
maybe we misjudged it

>>720752324
>I really don't think you do
You do, but since you can’t argue with what I said you have to pretend otherwise. Your dishonesty has been noted.
>You see a gay character and think "I bet being gay is his entire personality"
I made a very clear distinction in the very post that started this and you’re ignoring that just to keep pushing your strawman.
>I examine and if it has woke shit I call it woke. In the modern day there aren’t characters that happen to be gay or black there are only characters with that predominant trait as their entire identity
Tell me why is it that I need to rub shit in your face that was not even said an hour ago? Why do you need to feign ignorance and ignore what has been said just to argue?
>Yet you hand me evidence to think you're an unreasonable bigot
No that is the strawman that you have constructed in your head so you don’t have to argue with what I said since that would require you to defend characters and writing of modern games which none of you retards can ever do since it was made specifically do be what I said. Trannyguard was a testament to that.

>>720751857
>>720752678
It also cannot be understated just how much the Obama administration brought out the racism. Truly an early example of Current President Derangement Syndrome.

>>720752874
kek

>>720752726
very based taste, i would add to that the convenience store and the closing shift as well

>>720752907
>since you can’t argue with what I said
No, I can't because I have just your word that you assess games honestly and then your dishonest conclusion.
>I made a very clear distinction
Yes, a clear and fake distinction. The real distinction is that you don't bother honestly assessing modern video game characters.
>Tell me why is it that I need to rub shit in your face that was not even said an hour ago?
Because you lie. It is my contention that you lie so repeating yourself will not avail you.
>No that is the strawman that you have constructed in your head
Let me state it plainly, then: anyone who would come to the conclusion that every single gay and/or black character in every video game from the past years "makes it their entire personality" is not actually honestly assessing them and instead relying on hearsay and stereotypes handed down to them by /v/. It is simpy not an objective assessment and entirely based on feelings, feelings which don't get in the way when you look back on past games you consider to be safely beyond the reach of "woke". It's all about your ideology colouring your perception.

>>720752580
It also appeals to anyone who has ever had to deal with a family member who did self-destructive shit that they could never understand. The game's meta-narrative is about digging deeper, anon-- hence crawling around a giant empty house looking for clues about what on earth could have caused things to get so out of control.

There is an actual lesson to be learned here-- one that you seem to be deliberately obfuscating for some reason.

>>720753327
>There is an actual lesson to be learned here
Yes, don't become a faggot.

>>720728361 (OP)
no fail or setback state = not a game
"puzzles" consist of an attempt to gamify finding your keys in the morning
speedrun is at like 5 seconds and it doesn't take skill

>>720728361 (OP)
came out around the time of the american cultural schism becoming truly fucked forever and became a focal point

buying this game on a total whim at launch because I liked mystery games and was neutral to walking sims having no prior opinions or exposure to it was the funniest possible way to experience it
>well that was alright I guess. I don't think it was worth 20$
and then a few days later people were acting like it was the death of the medium

>>720752907
>>720753289
I am also reminded of one anecdote of Anon who had the well thoroughly poisoned for him when it came to Dragon Age: Inquisition. But one day he witnessed one of his less terminally online friends playing the game and remarked "oh, is that the gay mage?" to which his friend replied "wait, he's gay?"
This was the character that /v/ endlessly spammed to the front page going "FULLY GAY" and yet someone who actually played the damn game was completely unaware of it.

>>720753415
Actually I think it's something more like, "try to have some empathy," but from what I can gather you probably think doing so would literally turn you gay.

>>720753327
> member who did self-destructive shit that they could never understand
You’re trying so hard to spin this into not being some faggots pity pot sob story but it’s not. It’s basically just a generic “FUCK YOU MOM AND DAD YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WE’RE IN LOVE” story with faggot shit. It’s not complex or deep. You’re basically defending some shitty Romeo and Juliet tier knock off shit. But it’s okay since it has gays that means it’s not schlock.
>game's meta-narrative is about digging deeper, anon
No shit, but it’s still shit since all it does is culminate is some shitty drama.
>There is an actual lesson to be learned here-- one that you seem to be deliberately obfuscating for some reason
No, you’re trying to act like this shit is more complex in the most pretentious way possible while.

>>720730730
That was the point. like in DDLC

>>720753496
>no fail or setback state = not a game
Such a childish take.
The game consists of figuring out what happened, not reaching the end. You did, in fact, fail at the game lol

>>720753726
>from what I can gather you probably think doing so would literally turn you gay.
that's exactly how homos are made, that and being raised by single whore mothers. Were you a fancy lad growing up with a single mother out getting cocked down every night, or did you have an actual father raising you?

>>720753726
>empathy
Dirty word to conservatives

>>720752124
>because it's Dear Esther (another game that sucks because instead of actually doing anything you walk down a hall while listening to a narrator) but gay.
havent played gone homO but from what i understand its different from dear esther and has more in common with point and click
as in, its not just about walking in a corridor and listening to a voice, but you do have to pay attention the house environmental details and interact with some stuff to progress, no?

>>720728361 (OP)
All I remember about it was that it was a gay walking simulator.
I also remember where people unironically accused /v/ bait threads calling this game GOTY as proof /v/ was cooked. Yeah good on you infinichan, too bad that didn't stop you from imploding thrice

>>720753890
I can't say I pried into my parents' sex life too much but I reckon they got it on sometimes. Seems weird that you think a woman can only have sex outside of a stable marriage.

>>720753289
>No, I can't because I have just your word that you assess games honestly and then your dishonest conclusion
And so far I have said nothing to indicate that i wouldn’t. You however don’t like that I do that so you have to create a strawman to argue.
>Yes, a clear and fake distinction
Funny how you didn’t say it was fake from the start or even really engage what I said and just made some shit up. Again your dishonesty has been noted.
>he real distinction is that you don't bother honestly assessing modern video game characters
And your only proof of that is that I said I did but since you didn’t like it you had to make something up.
>Because you lie
Where is the lie? You have yet to show any proof aside from asserting it to be so while you yourself have been nothing but dishonest.
>Let me state it plainly, then: anyone who would come to the conclusion that every single gay and/or black character in every video game from the past years "makes it their entire personality" is not actually honestly assessing them and instead relying on hearsay and stereotypes handed down to them by /v/
So Taash from tranny guard or any of the cunts in Dustborn aren’t like that? Even though they totally are and the latter was literally made to be propaganda? I’m being very honest, you’re just not living in reality. And when any sign of reality comes to light you shun and ignore it.
>It is simpy not an objective assessment and entirely based on feelings, feelings which don't get in the way when you look back on past games you consider to be safely beyond the reach of "woke"
How many games in the past had entire quests where you go with someone to have dinner with their mom and watch them explain that they’re non binary? Can you name any?

>>720728361 (OP)
I remember when Sony was "giving" it away through PS Plus and I thought "Sure, fuck it, why not."
>start playing
>bored teenage girl boredly reading off her boring diary
>walk into the bathroom
>spend minutes screwing around with the toilet paper to avoid neuron degradation
>inspect random objects
>god damn it picking up some objects triggers MORE audio logs
>accidentally cancel out audio logs by walking into different rooms, triggering different logs
>wander into the basement
>see a bunch of JFK memorabilia
>oh, a safe!
>enter "1963"
>safe opens
>get an achievement for "solving" a "puzzle" without the piece of paper that explicitly says the answer to the puzzle, laugh like a hyena
>reward is some note with little illegible scribbles on it apparently there's a readable text toggle that i wasn't told about until later, ok cool thanks for nothing
>wander around the bedrooms
>mom walks into the room, starts watching me play
>just walking around while this stupid lesbian teen drones on about the worries of being a lesbian teen in middle class american household even though all the fucking papers that the parents left behind seem to indicate that none of them give a fuck about their lesbian daughter or would ever give a shit that she's a lesbian
>realize that i, the player, am supposed to be in the role of the lesbian sister's sibling, except none of the audio logs or ANY of the papers ever mention the player character
>wander into the ending by accident
>mom's saying "this...is not a game. did you pay money for this? please tell me you did not pay for this. this is not a video game"
>start cackling at the absurdity of it all
this shit won game of the year? there's no narrative, there's no story, there's no gameplay. you don't solve puzzles, you just walk around and audio logs play. the writing isn't even good, it's just the same one note shit "WAH IM A LESBIAN TEEN" and i guess the dad got raped by his uncle who fucking cares man

>>720741365
>Walking sim
>a pretty cool game that sincerely tried to do something different

>>720753723
>wait, he's gay
That was the fakest shit possible. The mother fucker makes it clear he’s gay from the start and his whole companion quest is about him reconciling with his father because he tried to use blood magic to make him straight.

>>720733580
i think that whole side plot was about the dad being molested when he was a kid

>>720753890
>having empathy is how homos are made
Lol do you genuinely believe that? What’s the correlation between trying to see where other people are coming from and homosexuality?

>>720754271
Back in 2013 I don’t think I’d played or heard of many walking sims.

>>720732182
>And in this sense, there is a double twist: the game IS a ghost story, after all; it is entirely about being haunted by ghosts from the past. But the ghosts are of a metaphorical nature.
unironically kill yourself.

>>720754081
>reckon they got it on sometimes.
you ever get to join in?

>>720753726
That’s not empathy. Empathy isn’t an immediate “feel bad for me and accept what I do” it’s putting yourself in their position and thinking of what you do based on your own principles and morals.

The same people and Journoscum who praise it are the same faggots who think 1000xResist My Traditional Conservative Chinese Mother #UghMOM #GroanZone is a masterpiece.

>>720754638
>actually empathy is (the literal opposite of empathy) because putting yourself in someone shoes and accepting a different viewpoint runs counter to my entire belief system

>>720754165
>So Taash from tranny guard or any of the cunts in Dustborn aren’t like that?
No, I reckon they aren't. I think you are basing this on /v/ memes. I doubt you played those games yourself. Even then, those are just two examples. If you are generalising from those, you're proving me right.

its the pinnacle of a video game for people who don't like or want to play video games

>>720754260
And then everyone clapped

>>720754840
Stop saying reckon, it makes you sound like a homosexual

>>720754973
stop dictating how other people speak, it makes you sound like a faggot

>>720754757
>noooo you don’t get it you have to feel bad for this person who you think is wrong. it doesn’t matter if you put yourself in their shoes and see their perspective and your opinion doesn’t change you still need to feel bad and accept them or you’re not using empathy right

>>720754638
>based on your own principles and morals
It also involves setting aside your own principles and morals, since your own principles and morals are likely as flawed as theirs. You are both human beings who have personalities that have been shaped by your extremely limited environment. You can’t possibly hope to appreciate where someone else is coming from if you inherently view yourself as being superior.

>>720754619
You've got some strange ideas about healthy adult relationships Anon

>walking sim
>coined as a pejorative
>now its a desired genre

>>720755098
empathy is about understanding where someone is coming from and THEN making your judgement not about just making your judgement and saying "if it were me" because that defeats the purpose

>>720754934
faggot says what

>>720754973
I reckon you're not objectively assessing me either

>>720755014
Why don't you add "whilst" to you homosexual vernacular?

its the kind of gay anti-game that shouldve never been tolerated.

>>720754840
>No, I reckon they aren't. I think you are basing this on /v/ memes
So you don’t actually know and you’re just mindlessly defending it because I’m against it? Because that is literally their entire character.
>Even then, those are just two examples
Oh boy already moving the goalpost. There is also the tranny from Concord.
>you are generalising from those, you're proving me right
You mean something you said wasn’t happening at all and then tried to lie about my intentions. Funny how you can’t argue that anymore and how you’re ignoring most of the post. Let me guess that doesn’t matter (aka you can’t argue it like I said).

>>720728361 (OP)
The creator mostly.
And when you separate the art from the artist, you get a walking sim about gay people.
What reason is there to like it, again?

Anyone else want to see the blonde glasses model in the ad below getting nailed from behind?

>>720755102
>It also involves setting aside your own principles and morals
So that means that gay and trannies people should do the same to understand and accept why people hate them in order to be fully empathic?
>since your own principles and morals are likely as flawed as theirs
So you acknowledge that their morals and principles are flawed yet you still think that I should accept them to be empathetic? Why?
>You are both human beings who have personalities that have been shaped by your extremely limited environment
Yeah that doesn’t mean that something should be accepted. If a culture eats shit that doesn’t mean that people should accept that and not think it’s gross.
>You can’t possibly hope to appreciate where someone else is coming from if you inherently view yourself as being superior
No one said anything about superiority, you can view something as wrong or bad without thinking that you’re better or above someone. Unless you only use morality and principles as a way to laud your superiority that is, but that would mean you don’t really give a shit and are just using them to make yourself look good.

>>720728361 (OP)
Back when people still sort of cared what game jurnos think they shilled it to hell and back because they'd rather talk about a 2h interactive experience tacking serious social topics like being gay, than a proper game that would require time and effort, that they sucked at and thought was beneath them as serious critics anyway.
It was a weird time when people were really desperate for recognition as "real art form" and indie game about depression was a meme.

>>720755409
>So you don’t actually know
No, it could be that you did play the games but were seething all the way through it with a mental reel of /v/ memes reminding you how shit it all is. You are always going to say that any gay character "makes it their entire character" and then point at anything they do as proof.
>Oh boy already moving the goalpost.
No, not at all. You said every single character. If it's not every single character, then I am right, and you are extrapolating from just the most egregious examples, which is not being fair and objective.
>There is also the tranny from Concord.
Now there's a game I know you didn't play, so you're definitely just relying on looks there.
>You mean something you said wasn’t happening at all
I mean you prove me more and more right with every post.
>Funny how you can’t argue that anymore and how you’re ignoring most of the post
Because you're just taking every instance of me calling you a liar and going "nuh-uh". Fine, consider every single point hereby "yuh-huh"'d.

>>720755723
Yes

>>720728361 (OP)
>this game
It's not a game and it doesn't belong on /v/.

>>720728361 (OP)
Find me one fan of this "game" who isn't a leftist narcissist.

>>720755409
>>720755930
Now, let's see, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 was released later than Veilguard and it famously contains a black character as well as a gay romance option. Tell me, was that their entire identity? Were they idpol soap boxes? This wasn't a small release so I don't think you overlooked it - you remembered Concord, after all. And Dustborn. Could it be that you're just looking at things to be upset at?

>>720747479
A new Hitler? Don't be silly, it's going to be a new Stalin.

>>720755930
>No
So I was right and now you’re trying to talk out of your ass and say i didn’t play the games to cope.
>You are always going to say that any gay character "makes it their entire character"
Except i didn’t do that and made a distinction at the start, but again since you can’t argue that you have to say it was fake and use a strawman.
>No, not at all. You said every single character
And you said it wasn’t happening and when I gave an examples you tried to trivialize and move the goalpost, I even gave another example with that.
>Now there's a game I know you didn't play, so you're definitely just relying on looks there
Barely anyone played that shit. That doesn’t take away from that fact that it is exactly what I said. But keep thinking that appealing to ignorance is going to change anything. Seriously do you have anything aside from dishonesty and logical fallacies? That is all you retards ever use.
>I mean you prove me more and more right with every post
So you admit you said it wasn’t happening and you’re showing that you’re purposely ignore shit since you admitted the characters I name were examples of it.
>Because you're just taking every instance of me calling you a liar and going "nuh-uh"
More like saying how I’m not lying and that you’re making shit up and ignoring what I have said. But keep coping and delving into a delusion of what is actually going happening. I even had to quote my own post and point out what I said and you couldn’t do anything but double down without giving a counter. Hell you tried to abandon this in your last reply and I was the one that called you out and made you come back to this.

>>720756217
I'm not a narcissist.

It's pretty much just a interactive teenage drama novel in vidya form. The fact it got 10/10s everywhere was an embarrassment and showed just how much the hobby was infested with posers, many of whom were SJWs and Anita simps.

As a game, it's a casual walking sim investigation/mystery that borders on boring to pretentious artfag shit like Dear Ester. As a story, it's schmaltzy melodrama that would appeal to teenagers on Tumblr and söyboy artfags who've never touched vidya ever. You'd get better milage out of something like Journey instead because at least with that game it's beautiful to look at and the simplicity with the minimalist communication with other players is fun and charming - just pure SOUL overload and is vastly more replayable than Gone Homo.

>>720756418
Literally yes, Vavra literally said he put that shit in to appeal to journos, while also showing that he’s a massive hypocrite.
>Tell me, was that their entire identity
The black guy does nothing but shit talk and say how great his country is and is never told to shut the fuck up by anyone. He’s basically a mary sue and magic negro rolled into one.

>>720755243
>empathy is about understanding where someone is coming from and THEN making your judgement not about just making your judgement and saying "if it were me"
And how would you make that judgement? What would you use? Would you use your own understanding, morals, and principles to allow you to reach a conclusion? Because if so then you’re 100% saying “if it were me” since that is how literally everyone that uses it properly looks at it. Since it’s literally about putting yourself in their position.

>>720756489
>ou’re trying to talk out of your ass and say i didn’t play the games to cope.
You've once again done precisely nothing to prove that you have. Everything you said could've been gleaned from /v/'s discussion of the games.
>Except i didn’t do that and made a distinction at the start
You explicitly said at the start that any and all modern character is inevitably this.
>And you said it wasn’t happening
I said you were being dishonest by claiming it was every character and, indeed, I do maintain that even your examples aren't literally talking about being trans and/or black the entire time. You are letting your feelings overshadow your good judgement.
>Barely anyone played that shit. That doesn’t take away from that fact that it is exactly what I said.
You're literally telling me you're judging games you haven't played from what you see of them on /v/ here.
>So you admit you said it wasn’t happening
If "it happening" is "every single gay/black character in a modern game making it their whole identity" then yes, I stand by that, and you have not disproven that.

With every single post you prove, more and more, that you:
>rely on extrapolating from a few examples
>judge games by the shitposting about them on /v/
>ignore counterexamples
All of which proves me right, you're not assessing games objectively or fairly. Funny how I could tell that just from you making entirely unsupported hasty generalisations huh? Actually it was a dead giveaway.

>>720736870
I am genuinely impressed by how well Papers, Please uses its gameplay to tell a story and build upon its themes. What kind of fucking retard would give Gone Home, a game that barely has any gameplay at all, a higher score? Hell, the Stanley Principle makes better use of its walking sim structure to implement shit like actual choices and wildly different endings. Almost like, you know, an interactive medium.

>>720756624
>Vavra literally said he put that shit in to appeal to journos
Literally don't care, it's about the game
>The black guy does nothing but shit talk and say how great his country is and is never told to shut the fuck up by anyone
Sounds to me like you're a little hypersensitive in matters of race. The character has over one hour of voice lines. A lot fo them revolve around quests, or around his profession. Yes, he mentions his culture, as a foreigner. No, he does not make "being black" his identity.
You didn't even touch the other example lol

>>720755746
I’m going to address the thing you wrote about a culture that eats shit so that you understand how empathy works.

>those people literally eat shit as a part of their beliefs
Yes, everyone who sees that who has been taught that eating shit is bad would recoil in terror and think they are a bunch of backwards dumb fucks. But in order to think emphatically, you have to consider that:

>they don’t know any better, if I was that person I’d probably do the same
Or
>they’re doing it for a reason I don’t understand because I am ignorant of their culture

The only way to do that is to accept the possibility that *YOU* don’t know everything. It’s very easy to see something and make a quick judgement and write it off as such. Does that make it true? No, not always. Is being quick to judge things you don’t understand considered virtuous? No, not always.

Empathy requires admitting that you don’t know everything. In fact, you most likely know very, very little about much of anything. Only then can you truly hope to understand your own self, let alone others.

>>720757256
Plot-altering choices are just one, very obvious, form of interactivity. Gone Home is not as explicityl structured as the Stanley Parable but it nonetheless requires you to explore for yourself and draw your own conclusions, with your final understanding of what happened depending on how much effort you put into piecing it all together. Just because there isn't a gated checkpoint where you have to go one way or another doesn't mean it's not employing interactivity.

>>720755894
>It was a weird time when people were really desperate for recognition as "real art form" and indie game about depression was a meme.
That's the crux of it. The push for what constitutes as a " video game" back then was pure retardation and was just an excuse for pretentious artfags to justify shit like GH as being a part of or just as good to belong in the medium of the hobby. There's just nothing unique or special about it. It's simply a bad game even by casual standards and also bad art. It's literally tailored for people (normalfags) who DON'T play vidya.

myhouse.pk3 was better

>>720757596
>It's literally tailored for people (normalfags) who DON'T play vidya.
False, it's a love letter to the medium and only a real gamer can pick up on that.

>>720757564
There's nothing that Gone Home does that couldn't have been done in a novel or movie though be it. The average player will go through it in one specific order and all the background details like the dad getting molested in his childhood could've still been hinted at with cryptic lines or, you know, putting shit in the background of shots.

>>720757654
Someone give me the redpill on whether or not this is actually about trannies, I got a few of the secrets and specials but obviously not all.
Was a good .wad though, I don't think to the level it's held up to, but it was good.

>>720728361 (OP)
I played this game. It's gay as a motherfucker hence it's shit. I only liked to fuck around other people rooms, and i liked a room with X-files vhs collection. Aside of that, story and everything was shite, especially fag or lesbo part, i don't remember which it was. Maybe all of them lol.

>>720757704
This.

It baffles me how fucking backwards someone’s concept of gaming would have to be to think otherwise. In what fucking world would a game like GH be considered good by “normies”? Lmao

>>720757814
It was created out of grief after a divorce. No trannies or homosex involved.

>>720757043
>You've once again done precisely nothing to prove that you have
Aside from giving examples that you acknowledged and tried to trivialize
>You explicitly said at the start that any and all modern character is inevitably this
Show me where I explicitly said all modern characters. Copy paste the exact post :^).
>I said you were being dishonest by claiming it was every character
And I gave examples to back it up which you couldn’t argue and immediately tried to trivialize. But feel free to show me a modern gay or black character that isn’t what I described.
>You're literally telling me you're judging games you haven't played
One game, which you have not played either. But that still does not mean that I’m wrong.
>If "it happening" is "every single gay/black character in a modern game making it their whole identity" then yes, I stand by that, and you have not disproven that
I have since you have not shown anything to the contrary nor can you argue my evidence.
>With every single post you prove, more and more, that you
Smugly saying this isn’t going to make it true.
>rely on extrapolating from a few examples
Which you could not argue and tried to trivialize off the bat.
>judge games by the shitposting about them on /v/
I suppose you consider my own personal experience with them as shitposting on /v/ is everything you don’t like because of shitposting on /v/?
>ignore counterexamples
You haven’t given a single one. You have yet to name a character or anything. You’re just saying “nu uh” and doing what you claimed I was, in fact it seems like most of what you’re doing is projection.
>All of which proves me right
Except it doesn’t since you can’t actually argue or really even engage in what I’m saying so you have to say it either doesn’t count, is wrong with nothing to back it up, create a strawman, or ignore it outright.

>>720757704
Retard.

>>720757824
>Normies
Newfag alert.

>>720757729
By those standards most video games could be novels or movies. But it's not about the plot. Choose-your-own-adventure is not actually the pinnacle of interactive storytelling. A story being told through environmental clues is entirely different from a story narrated. A story that can be encountered in different order depending on where the player looks is different from a story told in a set order.

>>720758249
>>By those standards most video games could be novels or movies
Most video games are either more gameplay focused or tell their story in a way that wouldn't work in another medium. In contrast Gone Home does very little to justify being a game.

>>720757339
>Literally don't care, it's about the game
You mean you don’t care what the lead said he put something in the game for? Really? I guess you also don’t care about being wrong, yet you’ll keep seething and replying anyway.
>Sounds to me like you're a little hypersensitive in matters of race
So you think that a guy from medieval Europe could go to Muslim territory and say how they’re all retarded savages and that he’s the only civilized one there and that would not lead to him getting his ass kicked?
>lot fo them revolve around quests, or around his profession
You mean how he is a super great physician that is better than all the others? Again Mary Sue.
>Yes, he mentions his culture, as a foreigner. No, he does not make "being black" his identity
So I guess the Mali aren’t black now?

>>720758249
>Abloo bloo
It's not a good game, tranny.

>>720758101
I’ve been here since 2009, dipshit. Gone Home uses the medium to tell a story in a way that you literally could not tell the story otherwise. The only people who give one single shit about that sort of thing are people who actually understand what the video game medium has to offer besides *bing bing wahoo*.

God why am I even still in here arguing with a fucking 12 year old. There are so many hopelessly stupid motherfuckers on this board that it just bewilders me to the point of exhaustion. Christ.

>>720758050
>Aside from giving examples that you acknowledged and tried to trivialize
I already explicitly pointed out, you said precisely nothing about these examples that you could not have gleaned from /v/ shitposting.
>>720758050
>Show me where I explicitly said all modern characters.
Okay: >>720751068
>In the modern day there aren’t characters that happen to be gay or black there are only characters with that predominant trait as their entire identity.
Literally the fucking start.
>And I gave examples to back it up
Literally just repeating /v/ shitposts about the outrage du jour, proving my point.
>But feel free to show me a modern gay or black character that isn’t what I described.
Already have.
>One game, which you have not played either. But that still does not mean that I’m wrong.
It means precisely that, actually. You lied. Like I knew you were all along.

>>720757379
>I’m going to address the thing you wrote about a culture that eats shit so that you understand how empathy works
Because it’s all you can address since you know you’re wrong.
>they don’t know any better, if I was that person I’d probably do the same
We live in a world where even the most isolated back water has an internet connection and can learn what germs are, not to mention its literal bodily waste.
>they’re doing it for a reason I don’t understand because I am ignorant of their culture
Culture doesn’t mean something is automatically good, this has never been a good excuse.
>The only way to do that is to accept the possibility that *YOU* don’t know everything
Who said anything about knowing everything? This is a matter of using your own morals and principles to examine their position and look at things from their perspective and decide whether you would feel bad for someone. Why the fuck would you even try to make such a retarded strawman?

>>720758340
>Most video games are either more gameplay focused
Yeah, but who cares. I can also write "and then John shot the demons"
>or tell their story in a way that wouldn't work in another medium
Like Gone Home. It's literally told in a way that wouldn't work in another medium. But then you suddenly don't care about the way it's told, then it's suddenly about whether or not the same story couldn't roughly be told differently in another medium. Which, again, goes for plenty of other video games.

>>720758543
You're trying too hard, tranny.

>>720758348
>You mean you don’t care what the lead said he put something in the game for? Really?
Yes, really. It's entirely irrelevant when judging what the character in the game is like. You are once again demonstrating that you are doing anything but objectively assessing how a video game character is actually written in the game.
>So you think that a guy from medieval Europe could go to Muslim territory and say how they’re all retarded savages and that he’s the only civilized one there and that would not lead to him getting his ass kicked?
I do believe that's rather not what happens in the game thoughbeit
>Again Mary Sue.
What do you mean "again"? This is not "again", this is you changing the goalposts. Because the criterion was that he should make being black his whole identity.
>So I guess the Mali aren’t black now?
So you do in fact think that "being black" is the same as "making being black your whole identity"? The mere fact that he is black made you unable to look past that to any other aspects of his character? Proving me right once again.

>>720758591
>I already explicitly pointed out, you said precisely nothing about these examples that you could not have gleaned from /v/ shitposting
And that means I could not have formed the opinion on my owns and means it’s wrong because?
> Literally the fucking start
Where did I say all modern characters? I never said all modern character as a whole. Can you not read? Are you having a mental break? You should log off and take some time to calm down.
>Already have
You haven’t, you have not named a single character.
>It means precisely that, actually. You lied
I never claimed to play Concord. I just pointed out there was a tranny character whose entire personality was that and I know that because the devs made him a bio. Or are you saying that the bio made by the devs is just “/v/ shitposting” too?

>>720758717
I cannot possibly try to converse with you in a way that isn’t patronizing. I’d like to believe that there is hope for you, but I don’t.

NPCs like yourself may as well be a fucking AI trained on /v/ posts.

>>720758741
>Like Gone Home
Its main story? No, not really. It's got the least interesting and most simplistic writing in the entire game. It could've easily been a novel or short film instead. There are some interesting sidestories in there that wouldn't have worked as well but it's absolutely not impossible to adapt.

>>720759262
>it could’ve easily been a novel or a short film instead
No, it couldn’t. Piecing it together by exploring the house at your own pace is not something you can do in any medium besides a videogame, you gigantic fucking idiot.

If it’s so easy, then please explain to the class how it is done. Evidently I’m too much of a moron to figure that out on my own, so please explain it to someone who is as dense as me.

>>720758996
>Yes, really. It's entirely irrelevant when judging what the character in the game is like
So it is irrelevant that the devs said they made him to be idpol shit to appease journos? I mean this argument might make sense if he wasn’t a blatant token idpol character.
>I do believe that's rather not what happens in the game thoughbeit
Never said it did, just pointed out the reverse of the scenario that is and since you can’t answer the question it’s clear you know that he would get his ass kicked.
>What do you mean "again"? This is not "again", this is you changing the goalposts
I called him a Mary Sue from the start retard. Are you really not reading my posts? Is it really that bad that you have to ignore shit that prove you wrong?
>So you do in fact think that "being black" is the same as "making being black your whole identity"
So you go from “he’s not talking about being black” to “okay he is but that’s not his whole identity” which is proven wrong since his entire identity is smug foreign guy that talks shit.

>>720758543
>I’ve been here since 2009

>>720759135
Funny how when faced with basic logic and reasoning you fall into smug passive aggressive bullshit to cope. How about you think before you do this. You won’t since you can never think you’re wrong due to being a narcissist so I’ll just tell you to go back to your echo chamber and cry with your fellow faggots.

>>720759081
>And that means I could not have formed the opinion on my owns and means it’s wrong because?
Because otherwise you'd have examples that weren't shitposted about on /v/.
>Where did I say all modern characters?
Literally in the quote:
>there aren't ANY characters that happen to be gay or black
>There are ONLY characters with that predominant trait as their entire identity
Emphasis added. Your literal own words, buddy.
>You haven’t, you have not named a single character.
You've already responded to the post, even.
>I just pointed out there was a tranny character whose entire personality was that, and I know that because the devs made him a bio.
lol, so you're taking a bio to be the entire character. That's not the devs deciding to make it their whole identity, that's you.
I also don't think the bio would've come to your attention if not for /v/ shitposting, so it's still not exactly showing a lot of independent thought.

>>720728361 (OP)
it had gays in it, and people are sensitive.

>>720759472
Underagedb& confirmed.

>>720731032
As a tranny I don't get why normies are so unaware of predators and just let anything happen in the name of acceptance. Last I checked protecting kids from predators is a good thing.

>>720759482
>So it is irrelevant that the devs said
Yes
>Never said it did
So, irrelevant
>I called him a Mary Sue from the start
So you changed the goalposts from the start.
>So you go from “he’s not talking about being black” to “okay he is but that’s not his whole identity”
He's talking about his culture, which happens to be black. He also talks about it only sometimes, which indeed does not make it his whole identity, which is what you were actually trying to prove.
>his entire identity is smug foreign guy that talks shit
Right, who could've been a white smug foreign guy that talks shit.
Still haven't even touched the gay characters.

>>720759745
Sorry anon, but you’re waste of my time.

>>720759753
>Because otherwise you'd have examples that weren't shitposted about on /v/
So you’re just going to say something doesn’t count if people here talked about it? How does that make it wrong though? You haven’t actually said that.
>Literally in the quote
No it’s not, you posted the what I said in your last reply. This is just another blatant strawman. Why is this so hard for you? Aren’t you supposed to be smarter and more enlightened?
>Emphasis added. Your literal own words, buddy
Yes that is what YOU added to it because it’s how you’re trying to misconstrue what I said. But no where do I say “all modern characters”
>You've already responded to the post, even
And yet you can’t quote it, wait are you the retard arguing about Musa? Holy shit you have to fucking samefag just to argue that’s pathetic.
>lol, so you're taking a bio to be the entire character
That literally is the entire character since it was such a shallow character and game, why do you think it died so quickly?
>That's not the devs deciding to make it their whole identity, that's you. I also don't think the bio would've come to your attention if not for /v/ shitposting
So you’re saying that I doesn’t count despite it being exactly what the devs described and what they wanted the character to be, as well as even if it does it doesn’t matter because “muh /v/ shitposting” which you still haven’t explained how that makes something not true or wrong.