Thread 720732120

ITT: Quirk Chungus Game Design

Fuck of snoynigger, seething because we are getting real games
Metroid 4 will be peak of the series just like totk

>>720732216
>will be peak of the series just like totk
Just a little too obvious fren

This was a jumping the shark moment and I don't care what anyone says

There's something that bothers me about that motorcycle
https://motorcycleguidelines.com/best-motorcycle-tire-for-desert-racing/

>>720732413
It's hard to place exactly why, but it really has that energy.

>>720732120 (OP)
Metroid Prime has always been about immersion and tight level design. This bike shit doesn't look immersive at all, and it most likely separates the level design into chunks, just like in MP3, which sucked.

>>720732880
Yea something about the bike seems like it really snaps you out of the immersion Prime is known for.
I can't put my finger on why, the games already have third person with the morph ball.
Something about the fact that the Morph Ball is still technically Samus.

>>720734142
hah
you're right

>botw bike
>metroid bike
>pokemon bike
Some salaryman at nintendo really loves his Yamaha

>>720734883
this is all an excuse to have Samus star in the next Mario Kart dlcs

>>720732430
Yeah, but that shape wouldn't look as good when the motorcycle turns into a suit and the tires become Samus' shoulder pieces.

why is metroid riding a deel doe

>>720732120 (OP)
Seeing this makes me realize one of the things I like about Metroid is how "uncool" it is compared to everything else.
Not to say it's not cool, but it's not usually trying to be.
Or maybe it's a really cool series that's very "uncool" at heart.

One of Samuses defining abilities is she turns into a ball.
Her mortal enemies are Space Pirates and Mother Brain.
There's that infamous example of Shigeru Miyamoto telling Retro Studios to give Samus a "bugs head" and "what if she could take off her head and swap it with other bug heads" which inspired the visor system.
The Prime soundtracks make heavy use of Theremin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYaT704C7_w
There's all the cute dorky little animals in Super Metroid.
Hell, all the enemies in the classic 2D Metroid games are dorky creatures.
The whole thing frankly feels rooted in the 50's, but updated and elevated into something way cooler.

This bike feels like it's Metroid trying to be cool, and that might be why it feels off.
Instead of making something dorky cool, it's something that should be cool in concept, a motorcycle, made into some kind of nerdy super techno-bike.
It really should have been a jet pack for Samuses suit

>>720735404
Somehow I don't think that's the intention.

>>720732120 (OP)
It reminds me of HIRE THAT MAN UE4 demos

>>720735291
Now that you mentioned it, yeah, I can see this happening

>>720732120 (OP)
>Quirk Chungus Game Deisgn
But what does that fucking meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan?
>>720734017
>the games already have third person with the morph ball.
>Something about the fact that the Morph Ball is still technically Samus.
I forget where I read it, but getting the Morph Ball right for Prime 1 was a very difficult task for Retro, the camera angles, the sound effects, the speed of the transition, they wanted to make sure that everything about it didn't break that immersion that was so important for a first person Metroid game, and they succeeded. The Morph Ball is also distinctly Metroid, so that helps a lot too. The bike is just the Nindendo TM bike that's getting thrown in all of their games now, it feels distinctly alien from Metroid.

>>720736189
>But what does that fucking meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan?
The game is designed to make you pog and congratulate the devs on reddit

>>720732216
>real games
Yes now Metroid is 60+ hours to finish because of 55 hours of driving through empty desert and collecting useless trinkets. The irony is this crap design is right out of the Snoynigger dev handbook. Enjoy the Metroid version of FF7 Rebirth.

>>720736947
>Yes now Metroid is 60+ hours to finish
Thank god

I cannot describe the immense dissapointment it was being a teenager, renting Metroid Prime 3 and beating it in less than 7 hours, then feeling so empty thinking I'd have to wait 5 years for the next one (HAHAHAHA, 5 YEARS, LMAO)

>>720737103
Metroid games not overstaying their welcome is one of their defining features.
They were literally, actually built for speedruns.

>>720737103
>More content is good even if it's a chore
Niggers like you are how games got this bad.

I cannot wait for this to be the best-selling Metroid game of all time. I already have my pre-order in. I'm happy it's making cubesnoys seethe.

>>720737514
It's really cool that you like seeing people mad.
/sarcasm

>>720737598
The success of the Nintendo Switch 2 has made you cubies seethe unendingly, so it's a given.

>>720737854
It's really cool that you're an idiot arguing with your own illusions.
/sarcasm

>>720738031
Seethe harder, cubesnoy.

>>720737325
Zero Mission is the most sequence breakable game in the series. By design, not by accident. The developer intentionally built in the abilities and shortcuts that allow the player to break sequence.

I say this, in order to point out the irony that ZM-fags only ever appreciate the game's speed. They think that because the mechanics are snappier than Super Metroid, that makes it better. But actually, what makes ZM good in its own right, is how intricately built the world is for sequence breaking.

So when I see the open world design for Prime 4, my worry isn't that the game will be longer and slower. It will be that despite the world being bigger, it will lack any of the intricacies that allow for sequence breaking. That it will be big, yet still mostly linear and rail road the player along a strict sequence, carried by story triggers.

btw, this is what makes Dark Souls 1 more interesting than Dark Souls 3. While DS3 is more refined and faster mechanically, the world is more linear. While DS1's world is a little more open, feeling like a metroidvania with the way paths connect back in on themselves.

why is the marketing for prime 4 so bad? Its scary as fuck
>uh… here is samus.. opening a door…
what the fuck

>>720738093
Tell me more about the cubesnoys, are they in the room with us right now?

>>720738265
For some reason we're not allowed to do interesting marketing anymore.
Maybe because "modern audiences" lack imagination and an internal monologue, so when they see something like this they'd get upset that the game doesn't actually look like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewcljvJQAQA

>>720738265
Because the target audience is 8 years old.

>>720738362
Besides you? They've been making anti-Prime 4 and anti-ToTK threads for the past 96 hours because the Switch 2 mindbroke your kind.

>>720738741
For other nintendo games sure but not metroid. I promise you the average age of the person who cares about that series is around 21 bare minimum

>>720738754
I see. It wouldn't happen to be the case that every complaint about Metroid Prime 4 is coming from a "cubesnoy" is it?

>>720737328
You are welcome, now give me a 100h+ Metroid Prime game, with haste.

>>720739004
Fucking die.

>>720738891
>anti-Metroid Prime 4 rhetoric/propaganda is coming from a cubesnoy
I'm glad to see you're admitting to it. Not that we were unaware.

>>720738864
Nintendo doesn't care, their marketing and target for all media is now 10 and under. Prime 4 looks gay as fuck.

>>720734142
>"A beautifully crafted armor found in The [ ] EDIT APPERANCE"

>>720736592
ahhh so soulless sony slop

>>720739110
Continue to post your delusions.

>>720739053
Make it 200h+
Plus add a hub in the spaceship where you can shower, eat, and sleep

>>720732120 (OP)
Snoys lost

>you know what metroid needs?
>a 3rd person open world driving section
what the actual fuck were they thinking with this shit?

>>720739401
Frankly it's pretty much how everything is designed now. Nintendo first party games, Microsoft games, Sony games, indie games, AA games...
Besides the rare example like, idk, Scorn or Cruelty Squad, literally everything is designed by oversocialized freaks who spend 25 hours a day connected to the internet and can't go a minute of that time without being validated.
Very few games designed by and for people who are okay with themselves sans social media validation.

>>720739797
You never liked Metroid, snoy.

>>720739619
Make it 8 hours. 8 incredible unforgettable hours that are fun to go back to again and again.
But I'm with you on the spaceship. I actually really liked that in Prime 3.
I like the Normandy in Mass Effect.

>>720739797
Me
I am so tired of all you snoys, Metroid fucking SUCKS balls. And the sell numbers prove it.
About fucking time they tried something new

>>720740019
No, 300 hours

>>720732120 (OP)
This immediately killed any excitement I had for the game.
Metroid fans deserve it for being one of the most obnoxious fanbases

To whom it may concern:
As a fan of Metroid (NES), Metroid II (original GB), Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, and Metroid Prime 3, and Metroid Prime Pinball, I will admit that, no, I am not a fan of Metroid.
Metroid games are like glyphs that represent what I am actually a fan of.
If a Metroid game no longer represents the things I am actually a fan of, I am not a fan of that game.
I am not a fan of the Metroid series. I am not a fan of the Metroid brand-name.
I am a fan of what Metroid games usually represent.

This is something corporations and corporate shills seem not to understand. Hence Disney scratching their heads when people like me stopped being a fan of things with the Star Wars name attached, or when the same thing happened with Microsoft and Halo.

>>720740019
Why so short? what kind of story are you going to tell in 8 hours?
I don't want another Metroid where you go defeat the 3 temples, and fight the final boss

Can we actually get a game that expands on the world, and let's real fans explore and interact with the Metroid universe?

>>720732120 (OP)
I think the bike is lame as hell but I don't really get how it's quirk chungus

>>720739703
always found it kind of weird Samus weapons had such strange symbols, until I used the Xray visor and realized she is supposed to make those hand signs to activate them in the arm cannon, it might appear inconvenient, but then again her armor was designed by ancient bird people so yeah

>>720740137
No, 3 hours.
Actually less than that.

>>720740747
>15 years for a 3 hour game
>That'll be $69.99 please
JUST

>>720740634
>Why so short?
Because that's the formula, and the formula fucking works.
>what kind of story are you going to tell in 8 hours?
You play Metroid games for the story?

>>720735605
Samus was cool in Dread and it was well received, with stereotypical cool hero posing.

It think it's just that the bike is a little too obviously something humanoid and understandable when Metroid design is often intentionally alien in origin and concept. The morph ball defines so much of the imagery of Metroid because it's an alien concept for a person to be able to perfectly morph themselves within a power suit into a sphere of energy.

>>720740823
If it's a good game, you'll get hundreds of hours out of a game you can beat in under 3.

>>720740957
>Samus was cool in Dread and it was well received, with stereotypical cool hero posing.
I actually hated what I saw of it and it's one of of the reasons I haven't played Dread.

>>720740883
>You play Metroid games for the story?
What else am I supposed to play them for?
The boring ass slow paced combat where you spam beam non-stop, and there's zero tactical reason to use one weapon system over another besides opening a fucking door?


If you are going to reply ''THE ATMOSPHERE'' then that's exactly my point, give me a lenghy, immersive platformer with sick ass atmosphere, lots of isolated quiet moments. BUT WHEN THE COMBAT DOES COME, MAKE IT FUN, AND DIFFICULT.

>>720741056
Okay but I don't care about your opinion specifically.

>>720740968
I enjoyed Zero mission, but there's zero reason the game can't be longer than 3 hours. If Nintendo can't do it, its cause they are creatively bankrupt, or unwilling to raise the bar.

>all the mouthbreathers clapping and crying for an Akira slide Xddd
>not just on reddit and Twitter but here as well

>>720740957
>stereotypical cool hero posing
That embarrasing Press A to awesome QTE shit fucking sucked and I can't tell if it's because Sakamoto's a retard or MercurySteamingShit are eternally stuck in Gen 7. Sucks it's become part of Metroid's image.

>>720741673
You can just say you're a snoy next time.

>>720741673
Times changes, boomer
You will Zoom Zoom on the cuckcycle

Next, we turn Metroid into a hyper competitive, skilled based, fast paced combat FPS to elevate, and contrast with the quiet, isolated moments where you are scanning shit like a environmentally conscious hippie.
Samus Neck snap stealth animations included, btw.

Sexy action girl on a cool bike is hot

Idk about tbe gameplay tho

>>720741143
>What else am I supposed to play them for?
I certainly don't play Metroid games for the story.
Even my favorite Metroid game, Prime 2, which is also my favorite game in general, I recognize as having a bare bones and kind of cheesy/corny story.
I'm not playing Metroid for the fucking story.
>If you are going to reply ''THE ATMOSPHERE'' then that's exactly my point
>give me a lenghy, immersive platformer with sick ass atmosphere, lots of isolated quiet moments.
You're an idiot frankly and have no idea what you're asking for.
There is so much work that goes into making an atmospheric area in a Metroid Prime game, Phendrana Drifts, Tallon Overworld, Torvus Bog, Sanctuary Fortress, Sky Town, the Pirate Homeworld, the hidden parts of Bryyo, the GFS Valhalla, Planet Phaaze, etc. etc.
There is so much fucking work put into designing those places.
And those places are good because they are designed, with so much care and effort put into every aspect of them.
Asking for a lengthy Metroid Prime game is like asking to eat dozens of 5 star restaurant meals at once instead of savoring the flavor of the one in front of you.
Fundamentally immature.
>inb4 food metaphor

>>720732120 (OP)
This doesn't mean anything.

>>720741216
I feel the same about you, and everyone else who liked Samus "cool posing" in Metroid Dread.

>>720742128
It does now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aip2aIt0ROM
This video feels like it's suddenly going to become relevant again.

metroid does not have enough collectibles to warrant any overworld style exploration. 2D metroid could, but doesn't, and prime really can't at all because of the inherent clunkiness of a 3D FPS metroidvania

>>720742113
Really?
I think you are putting the game on a pedestal is does not belong in, you think too highly of a fairly subpar game with good direction that lacks depth. The Metroid Prime as a whole feels like concept art, there's symbols, and abstract concepts but they are never developed further into a master piece.

This became apparent to me with the release of Metroid Prime remaster.
Perhaps after 20 years of being a Metroid fan, I've come to realize. Metroid is just not for me.

>>720742679
>mindbroken retard too stupid to read
>relevant

>>720732120 (OP)
-ACK

>>720742905
You're too mindbroken by Arin to actually watch the video, understand, and formulate any real disagreement with his point.

>>720732120 (OP)
i don't get why they'd give her a motorcycle? if you want to give Samus a traversal ability she already has the speed booster/shinespark, which is WAY more interesting in any case

>>720732120 (OP)
why is the bike so low res and low poly?

>>720742885
>I think you are putting the game on a pedestal is does not belong in
I get to choose what my favorite game is, and you don't have to like my favorite game.
>The Metroid Prime as a whole feels like concept art, there's symbols, and abstract concepts but they are never developed further into a master piece.
I've spent a good amount of my life studying art history both in college and as a personal hobby.
Most masterpieces are symbols. Symbols for something more.
You sound like a wordcel who wants everything spelled out.

>>720743521
>I've spent a good amount of my life studying art history both in college and as a personal hobby.
The tendie brand

>>720742113
I'm gonna throw you a bone anon and say I agree with you, Metroid shouldn't be bloated and stuffed with pandery shit, and I'm gonna tell you the secret sauce that's carried the series till now: a unique all-encompassing looming threat that's relevant to the lore of the world you're exploring. Metroids, Phazon, the X, the Dark Aether atmosphere, corruption... Even linear and more dialogue heavy games like Fusion and Prime 3, while not for everybody, work for some people because there's an effort made by the developer to immerse you in the space station's X situation, or because you watch your cool bounty hunter buddy group go insane and be destroyed in increasingly horrible ways.

First you come up with one of those, then you write some scannable lore, put in environmental storytelling that showcases both the threat and the history of your current location. Make up some environmental puzzles, come up with engaging navigation-based level design, put in some tough enemies and bosses. Boom, perfect Metroid game.

>>720743641
I didn't really grow up with Nintendo and I don't really like most of their games.

>>720743802
>and I'm gonna tell you the secret sauce that's carried the series till now
>whatever shit you just said
I read your post, but I don't think you know what makes Metroid Metroid.

>>720744319
Whatever. It sure as shit isn't the speedrunning potential or the recurring lore memberberries that make fanboys clap. No one would have ever cared about Metroid if the game worlds didn't have an effort to evoke what I'm describing since day 1. Metroid 2 put everything it had into creating that brand of hostile, alien atmosphere on a fucking gameboy cartridge, it is what makes Metroid tick and I'm sure of it.

>>720745129
>hostile, alien atmosphere on a fucking gameboy cartridge, it is what makes Metroid tick and I'm sure of it.
That's exactly what Metroid is. It was inspired by Alien 1979 after all.

The issue with Metroid is that it never really challenges you mechanically to the point it genuine makes you feel in danger, that's why Metroid Prime remaster fell so flat to me.

Metroid as a whole needs to be amped the fuck up, and that's probably why Dread worked so well. The combat was actually fun.

>>720745698
Wasn't talking to you also Dread is fucking garbage.

>>720742395
No, it doesn't.

>>720745803
With fans like you, I can fully understand why Metroid has always done so poorly. Times up, boomer.

>>720745129
Ah ... no.
LOL just no.

>It sure as shit isn't the speedrunning potential
Being short games designed to reward speed has been core to the series from the start.
It's something the Prime games have actually failed to do properly with every entry, but it's been a part of the series from the start.
Being designed around this is one of the things Dread did right.
>or the recurring lore memberberries that make fanboys clap
Honestly idk what the fuck you're talking about.
Ridley is overused I guess?
Zero Mission and Fusion were kinda gay for turning Chozo into ancient Egyptian birds and exploring Samus' relationship with them instead of being an Alien 1979 Space Jockey reference?
There is a point, where if you removed certain things, like Metroids or the Varia Suit, or Space Pirates, it probably wouldn't be a Metroid game anymore.

I don't think you're entirely wrong, but I think you're wrong and too confident you know what Metroid is.
Super Metroid is the best game of all time* and it's because it combines great gameplay, speedrun design, level design, interconnected map, etc. etc. it combines all these near perfect gameplay elements with all of the art and world design that goes into its "atmosphere"

>>720746214
>t. offended Chungus

>>720746346
>Super Metroid is the best game of all time* and it's because it combines great gameplay, speedrun design, level design, interconnected map, etc. etc. it combines all these near perfect gameplay elements with all of the art and world design that goes into its "atmosphere"
Yes, but for some reason you can't add a fucking story to this, and make it 10 times bigger.

Its too much to ask of a fucking multi billion company, apparently.

>>720746812
Are you actually retarded?

>>720746953
Being retarded is a requirement to be a Metroid fan. No one in their right mind gives a fuck about this franchise

>>720746812
>Bro, why can't Nintendo just make a game that's as good as Super Metroid, but which is sufficiently different from Super Metroid to not draw criticism for being a mere copy and distinguishes itself as a sequel, and is also 10 times bigger than Super Metroid, while retaining the same extremely high level of quality of design, while also having a heckin' quirk chungusy good story about heckin' space pirate lore or some bullshit, by which I mean either Dark Souls tier retarded "lore" or an Award* Winning* Narrative* like nu-God of War or Last of Us II
Like just shut the fuck up

>>720747015
Post IQ

>>720735605
>Instead of making something dorky cool, it's something that should be cool in concept, a motorcycle, made into some kind of nerdy super techno-bike.
What if it was a "horse"?

>>720746346
>There is a point, where if you removed certain things, like Metroids or the Varia Suit, or Space Pirates, it probably wouldn't be a Metroid game anymore
This is exactly what I'm talking about and I wholeheartedly reject your statement. I just wouldn't give a shit if these superfluous things were gone as long as the core idea of Metroid was respected. Also, the speedrunning aspect is an important concept of Metroid but it isn't THE concept, because you described every arcade game with "being a short game designed to reward speed". It happens in lots of videogames and it isn't unique to Metroid at all. What makes Metroid unique is how time and time again it has tried to come up with something unique and terrifying that builds the atmosphere of that explorable world. The Metroids that are and aren't speedrun friendly all have this in common. Even Dread hit with those Emmi robots, as overly quarantined as it felt. A perfect Metroid would not only reward speed but also leave enough signs and details for a slower player to smell the roses and grow attached immersed in the world.

>>720747506
I'd like a weird alien horse more than a bike.
But that'd also feel a bit too much like BOTW or Elden Ring for my liking.
Which is probably the real issue.

>>720747595
Hey numbnuts.
There is a point where if you removed a certain amount of things that make a Metroid game a Metroid game, it stops being a Metroid game.

>>720747595
>What makes Metroid unique is how time and time again it has tried to come up with something unique and terrifying
Yea Metroid games are really known for their horror
lmao

>>720747375
>NO, YOU CAN'T MAKE A GAME LONGER THAN 3 HOURS, GAMING PEAKED 30 YEARS AGO
Holy fucking autism

>>720747810
Yeah so let's keep playing with the same fucking toys ad nauseam, Ridley and Metroids forever. I'm not saying remove Samus and the Morph Ball, I'm saying yes, screw the Varia Suit, screw Metroids and screw Ridley and the space pirates, but that last one happened already.

>>720747892
They aren't Silent Hill but for the standards of a flagship Nintendo series you're god damn right they are.

>>720735605
>I love how uncool it is
>see all these cool things
>I hate these cool things

>>720737103
I empathize with these feelings. However Metroid Samus Returns lost me, I bounced off the game before finishing twice. I guess it's more of how lame the content was more than anything.

>>720740716
>sudden muscle spasm in hand
>arm cannon shuts down from the rapid shift between hand positions

>>720748361
Gaming actually did peak 30 years ago.
But anyway Zoomers are fucking wild.
They can only consume videos that are less than 30 seconds long on tik tok, that contain a joke or a point that can only be summarized in less than 30 seconds, but want to spend 10,000 hours playing empty, pointlessly grindy open-world games, with no sense of purpose or design.
Truly mindless.

>Gaming actually did peak 30 years ago.
NTA but holy fucking retardation

i like how nobody can make any valid criticism about this game. it's always muh desert biome, muh hyrule field but it's not tied to nostalgia protection.

>>720748402
>Yeah so let's keep playing with the same fucking toys ad nauseam
You don't have to like the Metroid series.
Have you tried other similar games?
There's a game called System Shock 2 that just got a remaster, so it's safe for zoomers now. It's got everything you say you want out of Metroid and not a Metroid, Samus, or a Varia Suit in sight.
How about Prey 2017?
How about the original Prey?
How about the Quake series?

Do you play videogames?

>>720750179
>illiterate Zoomer thinks gaming is better now because games have thousands of hours of grindy content and buttery smooth controls so you never have to feel or think about anything

>>720750275
"It's open world now" is a valid criticism for a Metroid game.
Considering the entire series is built around exploring tunnels and caves.

>>720750313
>How about Prey 2017?
>How about the original Prey?
I love how you created your own whoosh moment. Those games are nothing alike, and that's what the anon you're responding to is after.

>>720748402
Metroids are already gone and most likely will stay gone from the 2D games. The series is experimenting while still keeping some core items. Hell, we haven't had an ice beam since Fusion.
>but samus is part metroid now
Not the same.

>>720750491
It's not you fucking tard, lmao
Open world is the future of video games
>>720750409
which is why games sure as shit didn't peak three decades prior

>>720749903
>I empathize with these feelings. However Metroid Samus Returns lost me, I bounced off the game before finishing twice. I guess it's more of how lame the content was more than anything.
Yeah, I thought so aswell. I enjoyed AM2R more

>>720750082
>Gaming actually did peak 30 years ago.
It really didn't.
>They can only consume videos that are less than 30 seconds long on tik tok, that contain a joke or a point that can only be summarized in less than 30 seconds, but want to spend 10,000 hours playing empty, pointlessly grindy open-world games, with no sense of purpose or design.

Yes, that's why you guys are getting filtered on silksong, and can't stand having to become proficient at new mechanics that require the slight amount of reflexes, or quick thinking. (A game that proved you can have a Metroidvania that is 100+ hours long, with a good story, themes, music and gameplay btw). (Made by 4 retards)

>Truly mindless.
You are low testosterone pseudo-intellectual captivated by nostalgia, and empty symbolism from a Japanese company that never truly understood the themes it saw in the west. This is why the entirely of Metroid is a jigsaw puzzle of loosely related threads inspired by Western culture, but it can never expand or show depth, because it literally has NONE.

The last time they tried this, Another M was the result.

>>720750565
>Open world is the future of video games
The future of videogames is here. It's Genshin Impact. A gacha open world game, which is purpose built to be addictive, go on forever, and suck money out of retards like (You).
It's not meant to be interesting, it's not meant to be satisfying, it's not meant to be a good experience for the player.
It's meant to get you drooling like a dog for the next horny gacha character for you to throw your money at.

By all means.
Enjoy the "future of videogames"
You fucking swine

>>720750932
>It's Genshin Impact.
fuck no, that's a gacha not a video game

>>720750313
>System Shock 2 that just got a remaster,
That remake, and every one like it suck diseased fucking cocks, if I want to play an older game, I want to experience as much of how it was back in the day as possible, that new gen corpo crap shit smeared on top of it just dillutes it. Anyway, obsessing over iteration and legacy characters/concepts is the death of everything. Metroid has danced around having Metroids and not, coming up with weird shit to replace the Varia Suit or not, reinvented the space pirates three times, so this series makes a very poor case for this. Even abilities skip games. I've grown so tired of people repeating the same things and exploring the same 3 concepts not just in videogames but in every long lasting media series. Metroid in particular is supposed to be about planetary exporation and it's so god damn easy for a new planet to not bring the same three fucking concepts back every time.

I hate that ugly tranny faced Samus so much. It makes me glad Metroid's chance to have its own "Breath of the Wild" will flop catastrophically.

>>720750805
>It really didn't.
I honestly don't think there is a single 3D game that has reached the perfection of games from the 2D era.
And devs are spending all their time trying to make games mindlessly addicting instead of satisfying to play.
You have devs like Kamiya at Platinum Games and FromSoft that are headed in an ok direction, sometimes, (Fromsoft games tend to have good and tight design mechanically, but a ton of shitty grindy RPG elements that weigh the experience down) but those devs quickly get drowned out by the masses demanding easy mindless open world slop they can spend thousands of hours on without thinking or trying.

>>720750932
>No true scotman fallacy

>>720751174
>Anyway, obsessing over iteration and legacy characters/concepts is the death of everything.
I would honestly rather the Metroid series just fucking die than become something it's not.

>>720751216
>the being a fucking retard who can't use fallacies right fallacy

>>720751203
>And devs are spending all their time trying to make games mindlessly addicting instead of satisfying to play.
Expedition 33 and Silksong?
You are seeing what you want to see to confirm your own bias, there are incredibly satisfiying games that have pushed the boundaries of what is possible in gaming

To say gaming peaked 30 years ago is not a subjective preference, its factually wrong.

>>720751203
Breath of the Wild
Witcher 3 Wildhunt
Fallout 4
Halo 3
DK Bananza
Super Mario Odyssey

I could just keep going but you're just going to write them off like a cunt. Not a singular 30 year old 2D game measures up to anything I just listed.

>>720751354
Silksong is shit.
I have problems with its gameplay, but besides that the whole thing is coated in this vaguely furry/fetishistic aura that disgusts me on principle.

>>720750528
You only help my point, Dread is so filled to the brim with memberberries, yet it sidestepped including the series' flagship enemy just like Fusion did. It would be so easy to ask the same people to just come up with new things but people wanna clap for things they recognize forever.

>>720751278
So shortsighted. Ridley didn't make the Metroid series, and neither did fighting goombas you have to freeze and hit with missiles. You have so many possibilities, yet you wanna play with the same action figures forever. I'm tired of this shit.

>>720751394
Besides Halo 3, every game you just listed has awkward imprecise controls, pointlessly "open" worlds, and shitty pointlessly grindy RPG gameplay.

>>720751540
>Besides Halo 3, every game you
stopped reading there, how come I knew exactly what you were going to do. why are you such a predictable shitter

>>720751394
You can't be much older than twelve.

>>720732216
>real games
Lol, lmao even

>>720750528
Ice beam just turned to ice missile

>>720751443
>Silksong is shit.
I expected no less from you
>I have problems with its gameplay
Let me guess. Can't pogo, and keep falling in the lava, boomer?
>but besides that the whole thing is coated in this vaguely furry/fetishistic aura that disgusts me on principle.
Absolute cope. Silksong is anti-troon by virtue if being beautiful, which is the anti-thesis of anything that could ever spawn from Frankfurt's school of economics.

>>720751668
I'm older than you

>>720751537
>So shortsighted.
No, it's the right way to look at things.
As a fan of most Metroid games, I really REALLY would rather Metroid die, than become something other than what it is.
There's no reason to continue a series like Metroid past the point of grace.
If the people want something like Metroid, but with all these shitty new elements in it, they could just make a new series.
(games like Destiny, Subnautica, and No Man's Sky essentially are this already - a lot of the same surface elements from Metroid Prime but much much shittier design and gameplay. On the 2D side of things you have shitgamez like Silk Song. If Metroid ends as a series, that opens room for something new to take its place)

I would rather they stop making Metroid games than try to force Metroid to be something un-Metroid.

>>720751639
Maybe it's because you listed several of the exact same sort of open world grindy slop game, except for one game which has some semblance of being an old school arena shooter.

>>720752072
>Maybe it's because you listed several of the exact same
stopped right there, what a fucking putz

>>720751708
>Silksong is anti-troon by virtue if being beautiful
It's ugly as shit.
You have zero taste.

>>720752146
You are a jaded man
Repent before it is too late to save your soul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTicXQYw2ts&ab_channel=Ruba

>>720752108
On a fundamental level, every game you listed there, except Halo 3, is an overly casual open world game with artificial difficulty mitigated by grinding.
It's been the most popular formula since Skyrim, which I assume is also around the time you were born.

>>720752345
I am quite sure my tastes in art and culture are far more refined than yours.

>>720751970
I mean on principle I agree with this and I would prefer for things to die out and make way for new ones, but when you have the same monkey doing the same fucking dance for decades, it turns into something truly decrepit and pathetic, way sadder than several layers of failed experimentation. And Metroid is racking up embarrassment from both columns. So yes, you're missing the point hard and being extremely shortsighted. None of the registered Nintendo characters and elements you demand the presence of are what makes Metroid, Metroid, and if they were exchanged for different ones that achieved different results that were faithful to the core of the series, we'd be better of. But who cares. We are getting Samus going super God super chozo 3 in Dread, Kraid, the X Parasite, and Weevil or whatever that cunt from Hunters's name was making his triumphant returning so who cares. Better this than dead huh? :)

>>720752451
I think if you genuinely dislike Silksongs art, and music. You have more in common with the trannies you hate than you think. Contrarianism is not a personality trait, bruv.
Next you'll tell me Ori and the Blind Forest is ugly aswell.

>>720753052
You know, actually I'd rather Dread not have been made.
I hadn't realized it at the time, but the series had probably died to me with Other M.
I don't like Samus Returns and I haven't even bothered to play Dread.
I do think Dread is a relatively good return to form in some of the ways it emulates Super Metroid. From what I've seen of it, I think I like some aspects of its gameplay, the Shinespark puzzles, the way the map is laid out, etc.

But no, Dread is a bad Metroid game IMO
Samus Returns is a bad Metroid game
Federation Force was a bad Metroid game
Other M was a bad Metroid game
I'd be ok if they stopped making Metroid games. Good things can't last forever.

>>720753406
I think if your points of reference for beauty in art are videogames, your opinions on the subject are beneath me.

>>720753596
I could have written all this. I agree with all of it. I am completely fine with good things being left unspoiled and staying in the past with no embarrassing sequels being made to ruin them (to this day I refuse to watch past the Futurama "movies"). But people want to keep seeing the characters they like and clapping, which is why I would rather Metroid be reinvented into something GOOD rather than the pandery half measures we've seen. I got Dread second hand and I may get Beyond, but these are the only mainline Nintendo games I've bothered with since the Switch made their games worse and more expensive and iterative. I'm fine with upcoming Nintendo games not being for me. It's not like there's a lack of good things to play, new and old, for free in many cases. So fuck franchises that never end is what I'm getting at.

>>720753596
>>720754168
fuck doomers
we ride

>>720746812
>Yes, but for some reason you can't add a fucking story
nobody says you cant add a story you stupid fuck. super metroid has a story but its very simple and unpretentious. its fitting for the game and its atmosphere and aesthetic. making metroid cinematic with its storytelling is COMPLETELY anti-metroid and it truly just makes me wonder if what i saw in metroid is completely different from everyone else. super metroid and metroid prime was all about the vibe. the vibe was incredible and was communicated quietly and subtly.

>>720732120 (OP)
Post basically any tranime gacha outfit where they are desperately trying to be slutty and somehow Creative(TM) which just amounts to modified outfits made to be slutty
Modern JapSlop is seriously getting more and more like CalArts in nature

>>720734017
Its because there's next to no UI and the graphics notably degrade for the open world. Prime 4 goes from looking impressive in the closed spaces to just another Switch game.

>don't even show off her biker babe ass
what's the point?

>>720754168
>I could have written all this. I agree with all of it.
You say you agree with what I'm saying (I'd rather them not make Metroid games at all than continue to make bad ones) and yet you wrote out a whole paragraph explaining to me (yet again) that you don't actually agree and you'd rather they actually do continue to make "Metroid" games, which bear the title of "Metroid" but have nothing to do with the things that make Metroid Metroid.
So you're dumb and gay basically.

>>720754343
>Its Ok for my game to be objectively inferior, because that's the definining feature!
Metroid storytelling is barebones world building and vibes, which worked in the 90s because the tech couldn't support more. That doesn't make it sacred. Indie titles are out here proving you can have atmosphere, layered storytelling without turning into marvel cape shit.


But it's Ok, enjoy your lack of sells and getting surpassed by Indie titles while you get to feel spechul you tastes are so refined, and unique normies could never fathom to comprehend them.

>>720754343
>super metroid has a story but its very simple and unpretentious.
Yea, Super Metroid's story is so simple and so good.
Idk why this dumbfuck wants them to "add story".

FUCK DOOMERS

WE RIDE

>>720754703
Yeah, but video game stories aren't always good no matter how many layers or atmospheres you manage.
There is no real reason to expand on stories except to make Le Reddit theory crafter lorequeers happy.

Im not gonna touch the weird passive aggression in the second post

to hell with doomers
we ride

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KueqelEqumo

>>720754615
Me wanting Metroid to stop being pandery, like you want, is not the same as me wanting Metroid to get over this blundery period. You're the pig-headed autist here for caring so much about Nintendo approved brand concepts and demanding to see them every entry, lest you throw a fit and all over your bib, so, whatever faggot.

>>720754703
>le "objectively"
stop just using random words because you learned about them yesterday and they sound interesting and complicated. there is nothing "objectively" better about making a games manner of storytelling more cinematic, more loud and just "more" in general. you are the type of faggot that would see something like Stalker by Tarkovsky and wonder why its not more like a 2010s marvel movie or something. you are the type of person that thinks David by Michelangelo should have color because its "more". You unironically think Super Metroids soundtrack would be better if they were death metal or epic orchestral remixes. You have zero eye for aesthetics and should just stay quiet.

>>720754703
You are a pathetic wordcel.
You should speak less about things you don't understand.

>>720754708
with how much Prime is like Ocarina of Time they might as well add some characters that talk about the river of time for average people at various junctures in the game when they teach you a new missile type

>>720754703
>things are only good if they sell!!!!
yeah man and mcdonalds is the peak of food and drake is the peak of music. fucking kill yourself you worthless goylem drone

Reminder not to respond to ACfag.

You'll know him when he whines about Zero Suit Samus or how Dread was trying to be a Marvel movie.

>>720755059
Prime 2 > Prime 1

>>720732120 (OP)
Quirk Chungus Prime

>>720754981
A series including the basic elements of itself as a series isn't pandering, it's that series being what it is.

>>720755191
sure, i dont disagree. i was just using metroid prime 1 as a quick example to differentiate from metroid prime 3 which i think did storytelling worse by making it more cinematic.

>>720755250
but anon, story telling is what that game actually did right..

>>720755218
Metroid Rizz

Can't wait for this game to score 94+ OC and have Metroid purists and snoys alike meltdown.

>>720755175
Idk who the fuck ACfag is, but Dread was made for the Marvel redditor audience.

>>720755363
Oh hey.

There he is!

>>720755296
prime 3? i disagree. i did not appreciate the melodramatic and dialogue heavy tone and style of 3. the simple quiet atmosphere of 1 and 2 was far superior. not a bad game by any means, just aesthetically inferior.

>>720755361
It could happen.
I wouldn't even really be mad.
Metroid Prime 4 is the only Nintendo game I'm somewhat interested in, and I won't particularly be put out if it's not my thing.
I will call it shit though.

>>720754703
>um nintendo how do you expect me to play this game without an epic gow4 styled story season pass and gacha mechanics?! it's current year!! what is this diddy aah blud shit ninty?? ToT

>>720755175
Why would an Animal Crossing fag be so beligerant against Nintendo

>>720755463
you disagree? it has actual storytelling, how do you even disagree.

>>720755419
>everyone who says anything bad about Nintendo products is actually the same boogeyman
Gee that sure is a convenient idea for Nintendo to spread.

>>720735605
>>720747506
It could've just as easily been a hover bike. It just doesn't look sci-fi. It looks like something designed to be a toy.

>>720755591
>Why would an Animal Crossing fag be so beligerant against Nintendo

He's an Armored Core autist and has a religious belief that Samus should be a robot.

>>720755697
>actual storytelling
this is a meaningless statement and 99.9999% just means cinematic capeshit tier bullshit to redditors. super metroid and metroid prime 1 has a great story and you are simply not intelligent enough to appreciate it.

>>720755697
>anon is so uneducated he assumes storytelling only exists in cutscenes and lore blurbs

>>720755463
U Mos at the citadel was great storytelling, but Prime 3 did it way better.

>>720755762
I see. You'd think he know his place, what with Assasin's Creed's reputation being completely in the shitter these days

>>720755846
>this is a meaningless statement
not when Prime 1 was all atmosphere and implications. not a single line of dialogue in the whole game. it doesn't have story it has plot. claiming it's a meaningless statement outs yourself as being a retard who cannot differentiate.

>>720755059
>Stalker by Tarkovsky
You a retard. I've watched that movie, never thought that. I've read Roadside picnic, never thought that. I enjoyed the Stalker series, didn't need capeshit in it. I probably got more hours in Stalker GAMMA than you do.

What you guys are is a bunch of snobs with too high of an opinion on your taste, cynical, and hopeless for the future. If you guys genuine think gaming peaked 30 years ago, you've lost the plot.

>>720754930
>Yeah, but video game stories aren't always good no matter how many layers or atmospheres you manage
Does not mean they should not try.
>There is no real reason to expand on stories
You cannot expect fans of Metroid not to want to see more of the games they are a fan of, its themes, characters and worlds. It'd be idiotic to assume otherwise

>>720755061
On the contrary, I think mostly in pictures. You are just another oldfag stuck in the nihilistic hole of nostalgia, where things were better 30 years ago, and the future has no meaning. Enjoy your NES ROMS while the world moves on without you, boomer.

>>720755848
the term storytelling originates from days of yore when people would gather and recite oral tradition. painfully ironic your greentext

>>720741056
Dread was a great game though and by skipping it you gained nothing.

>>720755753
Yeah this is my main beef with the bike, it screams "make me into a marketable amiibo Nintendo!". The magitech look they chose for this game is just too plastic-y.

>>720755753
>It looks like something designed to be a toy.
Funny you should say that...
What I don't get is why they couldn't do something that would make a cooler toy. Like you say, a hoverbike.
Honestly, even a real life motorcycle would have been cooler.
Like Samus on a real ass motorcycle would have been weird as hell, but it would have been memorably weird. Samus on an actual Harley Davidson would have been so much cooler than this lame techno motorcycle middle ground between sci-fi and real life.

>>720756041
>You are just another oldfag stuck in the nihilistic hole of nostalgia
Right.
I'm the one stuck in nostalgia, sitting here saying I'd rather Metroid die to make way for something new, while you're arguing that Metroid should continue to exist as a brand while losing all semblance of what makes a Metroid game a Metroid game.
Tell me, are you a professionally trained retard, or does it come naturally?

>>720756130
I gained time spent on better things.

>>720756135
I mean fuck dude, she already turns into a ball, so why can't SHE turn into another vehicle?

It makes no sense. The whole idea of Metroid is that you're playing as this solitary character with just a weirdass suit with upgrades. You only ever use the ship to get on or off a planet, something she realistically can't do on her own. We've seen her running at insane speeds so why can't she do that now?

>>720732120 (OP)
I thought people were overreacting over the open world meme, and then Samus donned the open world cycle.
I finally admit Nintendo is out of ideas.

>>720756041
my point with mentioning stalker was that your implication is that more is more when that is not always the case. stalker would not improve with added lens flares, more characters, more events, more more more and more. in fact it would be worse. you have the mindset of that indian retard that thought using AI to add a spinning panning shot to Stalker by taking a scene that was just a static simple shot and adding a spinning panning effect, made it "better". Metroid is not, in essence, cinematic, nor is it story heavy. Metroid is simple story, atmosphere and implications. Metroid should not be dogshit like marvel but it should also not be a good story game like Pathologic either. its not part of its identity and thats what we are protesting.

>>720756130
i look at this picture and i do not see metroid at all.

>>720756078
>he doubles down on spurious midwittery
>he can't into forms of storytelling that aren't verbal
Man it really sucks to be (You).

>>720732430
https://files.catbox.moe/b0da93.mp4

>>720756692
irony intensifies

>>720756297
That's not me bro. You're so mad at me you've mixed me up with another dude, bro!

>>720756465
The thing that sucks is the rest of the game could be fine, in fact for all we know it could be a pretty good Metroid Prime game
but it's got this shit tacked onto it

>>720756572
Stalker would absolutely improve with more storytelling, are you serious? The whole thing that makes Stalker good is the mix of atmosphere, hardcore survival in the pursuit of uncovering the truth of the story it is trying to tell.

Literally no one asked to turn Metroid into a capeshit marvel movie, you guys made that shit up yourselves. You are arguing against ghosts in your own mind, not me.

>>720756130
relevant

>>720756829
What is the image I posted?

>>720732120 (OP)
>>720732216
>1 minute apart
Yes, a very organic thread

>>720756297
>>720756297
Its not my problem if you don't see potential in the Metroid franchise, and have zero expectations or interest in Nintendo attempting anything new with it.
I, as a fan, do. I got plenty of wishes of things I'd love to see, and experience from that Universe, and I don't have to justify myself to some art and philosophy major that thinks he is some kind of high class elite cause he's watched a couple of 40 year old movies. Get over yourself, faggot.

Now, that said. Metroid Prime 4 is definitely going to dissapoint me. It's obvious.

>>720756834
Sure thing lil bro

Why? This is a FPS.

>>720757078
Dude!!!

>>720756904
what i am asking is; what does MORE storytelling mean? more bells and whistles? increasing word count for the script? more events? why would that IMPROVE the story of Stalker? the incesseant and relentless obsession with excessive "mystery solving" is also why shows like Twin Peaks went to complete shit with season 2 after the producers forced the reveal of the killer. If everything about the wish granting room, the zone and philosophical musings on God, humanity, history, the mind, etc. in Stalker was "revealed" within its self-contained world, how would that serve the story? how would that serve the art in question? how does metroid become better by having MORE story? it would be like saying Pathologic would be a better game if it had "more" combat with parry mechanics, dodges, weapon types, RPG stats, etc. etc. you want to remove the "essence" of the art in question that made it so beloved in the first place. and maybe metroid is for a new and different audience that does not have intimate experience with metroid, but i personally dislike that and find it to be inferior that metroid is moving in that direction. note that i'm not using the word "objectively" by the way.

>>720757336
idk about Stalker, but in Metroid we could receive motivations for characters, build up and payoff, backstory, side character exposition, you know, more story. idk anyone who would argue about story unless it's final fantasy, ie; excessive

>>720757008
>I, as a fan, do. I got plenty of wishes of things I'd love to see, and experience from that Univers
Let me lay something on you you little twerp.
There is no such thing as "the Metroid Universe".
There is a brand. The "Metroid" brand.
There is an imaginary creature called "Metroid".

You think you want more of the "Metroid Universe"
But what you actually want is your own universe, the one that (You) are capable of imagining, fed back to you via Nintendo with the Metroid brand logo on it.
You could skip that step and just imagine your own shit. Come up with your own goddam universe.

But no you'd rather whine on 4chan about how Metroid as a brand should exist forever even when it's starting to not make sense anymore.

>>720732120 (OP)
You know Square Enix invented motorcycles so they should patent that

>>720757228
!!!

>>720757668
NTA
But among actual fans of this series, Prime 3 is one of the least popular entries exactly because it has more motivations for characters, build up and payoff, backstory, side character exposition, and you know, more story.
You're at best a secondary but probably really some order of tertiary retard several rungs beyond being a secondary.

>>720732120 (OP)
why is this so aesthetically incongruent with metroid prime? this looks like, and i mean this completely honestly, a cheap unity game. the assets in this picture look low res and low poly in a weird way. it looks so flat and strange like its garrys mod or something.

>>720757853
I've also noticed this. When most people are hyped about something, they are expecting something that fits their imagination. A lot of people aren't hyped for Metroid Prime 4, they're hyped for "Metroid Prime 4" ie; the thing they are building up in their head.

I'm built different, I'm excited for the exact game Nintendo is delivering and nothing more and nothing less.

>>720758032
You can be a fan of Super Metroid and a fan of Metroid Prime 3. You know Super, the one that starts with a voice over and lines of dialogue and cutscenes before letting the player loose in the space station set piece. Sorry you don't like Prime 3, but that's on you.

>>720758117
The texture art in the Metroid Prime trilogy was genuinely amazing.
Not many people take the time to appreciate it, but it's genuinely incredible.
You're seeing why texture work of that quality is important.

>>720757336
When I say ''more storytelling'' I don’t mean bloating the script or shoving in cutscenes. I’m talking about the quality of what’s being shown, and the way it’s communicated through gameplay and atmosphere. I’m not asking for extra dialogue.

The Metroid I’d love to see would have acts. I’d want a more personal story from Samus, maybe starting on the colony she grew up in, getting a feel for what it’s like to be born into a space colony, their tech, their culture, their social dynamics with other species. Then you actually see what it means for Ridley and the pirates to wipe her family out. That’s the emotional pull: the vengeance, the necessity of embracing the Chozo, and how she became the weapon that turned into the bounty hunter we know.

And none of that requires Another M cringe or capeshit cinematics. It could all be done through gameplay, the same way Super Metroid and Prime already communicated so much without words.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for a Metroid fan to want quiet moments of atmosphere, even something as small as spending time in Samus’s ship between bounties, getting a glimpse of that solitary life.
I want a Metroid Mass Effect, and I am never going to get it

>>720758250
nobody said "zero voiceovers" you stupid fuck. genuinely dont know how to communicate with you as you are coming at this with such bad faith

>>720758117
>he posts a picture that looks like the first area in Metroid Prime 1
what did she mean by this

>>720758128
>I'm built different, I'm excited for the exact game Nintendo is delivering and nothing more and nothing less.
I am also built different.
I am excited for the things that excite me personally.
If Prime 4 is something that interests me enough to make a purchase, so be it.
But I have better things to do than waste my time on something that doesn't interest me.

I love how the funny meme cow fell off the face of the earth the instant the game came out because she wasn't a meta pick.

>>720758367
It's not about a single voiceover, this conversation was one about what more storytelling can provide. You're acting like a total spaz when all I did was point to Super and what -some- story did for it. Well anon, imagine again what -more- could do.

>>720758385
...yeah? maybe you should read it again. i am saying very clearly. read this slowly: why does this, meaning metroid prime 4, look aesthetically incongruent with metroid prime, the franchise. meaning, metroid prime 1, 2 and 3. read this again and again very very slowly before replying.

>>720745698
>The issue with Metroid is that it never really challenges you mechanically to the point it genuine makes you feel in danger, that's why Metroid Prime remaster fell so flat to me.
I can tell you haven't played Prime 2 on gamecube hard

>>720758437
but ask yourself if you're interested in it right now, I think that's pretty important. someone else said it better than I can, they said; I can tell if something is to my taste usually just by watching a few seconds of it. We've gotten more than a few seconds, and I'm already set to buy Metroid Prime 4 on Switch 2.

>>720758479
but how come i, and so many other people, feel that what super metroid did was completely sufficient and that it did not need any more? metroid prime 1 has about as much and i never wanted nor do i want more. why did we feel it was sufficient, then? are we just retards?

>>720755753
yeah, i don't know what specifically but there's something that feels very plastic about it.

>>720758250
You're sure making a lot of assumptions about me.
I think Prime 3 is better than Prime 1.
But I am in agreement with the fans of the series who think there's too much "story" in Prime 3.
And by that we mean too many interruptions and cutscenes.
Super Metroid has like a minute of direct verbal storytelling total in the entire game. And that's part of why I like the game. It's a game.
If I wanted a story I'd read a book or watch a movie or some shit.

>>720758359
You want something almost no other actual fans of Metroid want.

>>720758624
if you, and so many other people, feel like one old game is perfect, and that a new game shouldn't deviate from it at all, then you're what is referred to as sticking your head in the sand.

>>720758439
>she

>>720758623
My interest is fucking waning.
I went from 100% sold on it, just because it was a Metroid Prime game (although I was willingly overlooking several small things that bothered me about it), to deciding I am going to wait for reviews and word of mouth.

>>720758665
>I think Prime 3 is better than Prime 1.
good
>think there's too much "story"
bad
>too many interruptions and cutscenes.
I felt that way about Prime 1, I felt better about it in Prime 3 where those scenes were used for exposition instead of just the camera angle showing doors unlocking and shit.
Prime 3 actually did more with what it has available, I find it something to praise about it.

>>720758748
Given what happened to Zelda we can expect his vision of Metroid to be released any day now.

>>720758623
the exact opposite happened to me, unfortunately. prime 1 remaster had me interested and willing to give the game a chance despite some concerns, but nothing they've shown from 4 has looked more than ok.

>>720758750
NTA
But the issue is more like
>Michelangelo carves the statue of David and everyone agrees it's incredible
>Other artists in the future create inferior sculptures
It's like you're telling people they're sticking their head in the sand for not liking inferior sculptures to Michelangelo's David as much as Michelangelo's David.
Insisting that everyone should like the new things just because they're new, and not for their own merits.

Btw, there have been sculptors who have rivaled Michelangelo. I appreciate Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux.
And by that I mean to say it's possible for good games to come in the future.
But don't ask me to jerk off Metroid Prime 4 just because it has the "Metroid" title slapped on it.
There is zero chance it will be anywhere near as good as Super.

>>720758925
Who asked (You)?

>>720740957
I didnt love samus's portral in dread. a little too try hard. She always had a more cool professional energy about her in previous games.

>>720758750
>what do you mean gordon freeman should remain silent? he should be voiced! otherwise you are just sticking your head in the sand and curbing innovation, bro!

>>720759086
I am not so sure.
Nintendo has been repeating the BOTW open world trick because it worked once, but Prime 4 might be a breaking point because it strays so far from what Metroid is.
>inb5 "but Open Worlds were against what Zelda is too!"
Zelda fans hate to hear this, but the two NES Zelda games have huge open overworlds. It really wasn't that big of a departure for Zelda, just a departure from the formula of the 3D games.