Thread 721047668

Have you ever tried making a Dark World in real life?

>>721047668 (OP)
>implying the "real world" isn't the Dark World

>>721047887
If so, where’s the geyser that gives this world form?

I want Kris to kiss Asriel

>>721048048
Yellowstone

>>721048048
the black hole at the center of the milky way

>>721048048
(you)

>>721047668 (OP)
Opening up a game on your PC or console is like opening a Dark World if you think about it

Not exactly related to the topic of the thread, but I had to post this.
I’m having some thoughts on the idea that Titans aren't actually what cause the roaring.
They're the last line of defence.
They only appear when too many fountains are open, not to cause mindless destruction, but to eliminate the fountain creator at all costs. They're like an immune system for the universe. What other reason would there be to name the Titan's theme "Guardian"? It can't understand mercy because it only knows its one goal, to destroy anything that could continue to make fountains.
If the Titan hadn't locked onto Kris, Susie and Ralsei immediately, the Knight would have gotten the shit stomped out of it.

>its a metaphor for trauma
hes really dragging undertale through the mud.

>>721048101
Shut up Dess, you're dead.

>>721049697
Why does it at first look like a photo realistic bald man?

>>721048101
i wish i were cool like undertale pacificst fight asriel not lame like deltarune asriel

I really want a segment where Kris actually becomes a goat or a dog, even if just for a moment.

I hope the next chapter is soon.

>>721050092
because jaxy opened his fucking spaghet-eye

Chapter 1 and 2 had hints here and there about Kris being an odd one out as a human, including Ralsei speculating about the extent of humans being magic-less in chapter 1, trying to make Kris feel special/useful with the ACT menu in chapter 2, and the book Toriel would take out.
I don't recall any development on this in 3-4 though despite 3 being about Kris's home life, the adoption didn't come up at all. All we got that I can remember is the bunny kid asking Kris if they're scared of monsters

>>721048679
Too true.

Yes but all I got out of it were dents in the floor.

>>721047668 (OP)
my life is a dark world

>>721050156
Why do literally all the girls want the Berd

>>721050092
Humans embody darkness.

>>721051313
Something something ridiculous confidence somehow counteract a charisma score of 5.

>>721051426
>DR humans reproduce by making fountains
does this make Kris a canon sex haver?

>>721053707
Technically he already is, just not a willing one.

>if Kris made a Dark World in the bathroom

NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO TAKE A [Big Shit]!

>>721053707
>Cute female character
>Used goods
Fucking western developers.

Noelle SEX

>>721055507
>Cute female character.
>Used goods.
Fucking western developers.

>>721055597
Not used goods if used by (You)
That's just goods

>>721055597
>used goods
Anon, she's a turbo virgin gooner. That shit is mint condition or at least it was until (you) got you hands on it

>>721055650
>>721055732
Techincaly, it's kris that did the actual fucking.

>>721051470
What gamer girl is Berdly referring to? He doesn't seem to like Susie much.

>>721055769
Kris is me

>>721055769
No, it was all (me)

>>721058526
Bullying Monster Kris...
Reminding Monster Kris his family will always view him lesser...
Telling Monster Kris Noelle just views him as a pet...
Beating monster Kris half to death with your superior human strength...
Teasing Monster Kris when he tries to enter a church by throwing holy water at him...

>>721058526
Togore is just a shitty gote Kris

>>721059259
Togore, Kris, and Asriel are 3 different degrees of autism ranging from high functioning to whatever the fuck Togore has.

>>721059254
You could do all these things to regular just as if not more effectively.
>Telling Monster Kris Noelle just views him as a pet
He probably wouldn't mind that one

>>721059427
Monster Kris probably is misthreated by the rest of the town, frankly. So, you know, it hurts more.

>He probably wouldn't mind that one
True.

>>721059494
>Monster Kris probably is misthreated by the rest of the town
Why? He's a monster, in a town of monsters, and this version of him isn't even adopted.

>>721059545
I'm assuming it's opposite world and he's a monster in a town of humans.

>>721059609
I still don't see why he'd have it any worse.

>>721059730
Cause humans are mean while monsters are good.

Monster Krisriel

>>721059756
That's an Undertale thing. Deltarune is a different universe with different rules.

don't take the ring, noelle

>>721060493
>The edge of the shadow, where reality and dream meet.

>>721060493
>>721060594
Has anybody drawn the soul as Bob yet?

>>721050142
me too !

>>721047668 (OP)
Remember that someone will keep stabbing a floor while being near laptop in hope that he will create dark world where laptop will turn into sexy "Ohohoohoho" woman he can fuck.

>>721060973
>Implying they won't just try to make their anime figures real.

>>721050156
toby literallly said it's not going to be ready until past june 2026

>>721060754
someone did an edit of the "i didn't know you knew it was me" scene shortly after chapter 4's weird route was found but it was just a quick photoshop job

>>721055507
Haven't seen you since the JoJo threads

>>721061224
nta, but JoJo threads?

If Krusie happens who should Noelle end up with?

Catti?

>>721061265
The JoJo storytime threads on /a/

Why the fuck is Dess so important?

>>721061294
the chair

>>721061591
was he Noelleposting in the jojo threads?

>>721062106
No he just drew art and a pretty rapeable Yasuho

> GTA 5, one of the most successful gamer to ever exist was in development for 5 years
> Deltatune, a pixel game that's at best is half the length of GTA 5 is going to take 10 years
What's the excuse tobyfags have?

>>721063096
That's like comparing apples and oranges
Lets be honest, yes Toby is rich but I doubt his team is even 1/10 the size of rockstar's devs.
I think what makes the dev times so unbearable is all the mini-games Toby asks his team to implement.

>>721063096
Wrist injury even though he should have enough money to fix his fucked up wrists and he now has a team working on shit. Not to mention his retarded decision to make console exclusive content like a FAGGOT

>>721048101
Chasriel is better.

>>721049697
Knight can probably easily kill a Titan with the Black Knife.

>>721063221
His team is 1/10 the size of the rockstar team.
But so is Delatrune as a game is 1/10 the size of GTA 5

Isn't it weird how a lot of the songs in Deltarune are remixes? The green room is just a remix of swatch's shop theme and we have so many versions of rude buster it's actually getting ridiculous.

>>721063096
There's none. The WAIT is inexcusable.

>>721063096
Deltarune is good. GTA games are not.

>>721063381
https://youtu.be/GrCp8AHdgEM?si=KY6PN6LzUyo9vPjE

https://youtu.be/D83BxptHcRc?si=ZXPRpnbAwB1xCsjU

Toby just has been remixing a lot of songs in Deltarune.

>>721063291
Are there any good fics that give these two a happy ending?

>>721063573
Sorry if its off-topic but people are gonna be disappointed when GTA 6 is half-baked and exists just to make money from kids buying microtransactions/shark cards in the online mode.

>>721050245
“Tomar, what would you do if you woke up and there were three tiny little ant-sized people climbing on you who wanted to destroy you?”

>>721061642
She represents the past. Something that can never be regained, but still feels omnipresent. Kris, Noelle, Carol, Asgore, all of them are still stuck in in the past. Stuck to Dess.

>>721063706
I never liked any GTA game, frankly. Still, I do wonder about 6. Rockstar is a very cynical company nowadays. I fear many people don't realize that yet.

>>721063369
In terms of scale, I suppose that’s true. But GTA 5 has 1/10 of the content density that Deltarune will have, so it balances out.

>>721063096
GTAV had a team of 12 million indians working on it and it's also shit

>>721064198
>Implying the main campaign won't be about 10 hours.

>>721064259
What is stopping toby fox from wrapping all the creative parts of his game then hiring a dozen indians/koreans in sweatshops to stitch the game together way faster than its taking

>>721063656
I don't know. Try checking the Chasriel tag on A03. There has to at least be one.

The UT/DR fandom's current obsession with "people thought Chara made them press the fight button in 2016 lol" is really stupid.
Nobody was saying this. Chara was depicted as the evil murderhobo possessing Frisk because back then, "The Player" wasn't considered in the equation. "Chara" was just viewed as the in-universe representation of the player's actions.
Which isn't really correct, but regardless, it wasn't because people were thinking Chara controlled them in real life. They thought Chara controlled FRISK and that Chara was just the audience surrogate.
"Chara made me make Kris make Noelle kill berdly" is still funny to say though

>>721064801
It's just tourists that weren't there for 2016. The 2016 fandom was inaccurate, but it's inaccuracy was at least based on canon. Nowadays the nu-fanon is inaccurate in a completely worser way.

>>721050009
>Dess actually became a huge yaoi freak and that's why Asriel switched to Bratty

>>721063291
I like both

>>721065187
You know what? Based.

>>721064932
>deltarune fandom made a fanon version of fanon
Isn't that like making a Dark World inside another Dark World in a way
They're going to cause the roaring oh shit oh fuck

>>721049697
>What other reason would there be to name the Titan's theme "Guardian"?
Probably because it's the final boss of the Sanctuaries aka a Sanctuary Guardian
Tony loves his Earthbounds
I think disregarding it meaning anything based on it being a reference is reductionist however, so your idea is more interesting than this answer.

>>721065930
The Roaring is all the harassment and shitty memes they do on the guise of being right.

>>721063096
You have a retarded comparison as the Deltarune development team would never be able to make a game on the same scale as gtav, however there is no real excuse for Toby at this point.
Toby has explained why it's taking long, which over the years included team management issues, his wrist, scrapping developed content because it ended up sucking, constant rewriting etc
I also Imagine Toby himself is a something that's slowing down development because he has been helping people out on the side

>>721063732
"I dunno Zack, I probably wouldn't be too pleased about it"

>>721064673
Trying to find shit on Ao3 is... rough. Still, might as well.

>>721066554
Just learn how to filter tags. Like all Sans x OC bullshit.

>>721066701
I learned that filtering out Tenma x Spamton...

>>721067342
Yeah, A03 is a w*man website so most shit is either self-insert shit or fujoshit.

Did that magma-seb guy ever say any useful information?

>>721068391
No. He didn't reply to me and just reposts leftist shit on his Tumblr.

Sex with cute Boss Monster boys

>>721068569
Shit, maybe we should try someone who might be more understanding since we've been trying to find anything about this nigga for five fucking years, or, maybe mention that.

>>721068669
Asgore?

>>721068680
I posted it anonymously, so he doesn't even know. Maybe your questions were just too vague and you need to explain more to him.

>>721069314
My questions?

>>721069410
The other anons questions. I don't know. Whoever I copied in order to ask him.

>>721051426
Are Deltarune monsters said to be made of magic?

>>721068669
Chara... Dess...

>>721069825
>Asriel is genetically destined to fall in love with mentally unstable girls.
At least Dess only dragged Kris down with her.

>>721063737
This is correct and the reason why I think Dess (or rather her corpse, the Knight) will die, killed either directly or indirectly by characters moving on from the past.

>>721051313
>pic
screaming

>>721069983
Yep. At least Asriel escaped to college.

>>721070417
>inb4: Asriel comes back from college with muffet

>>721055597
>>721055732
She’s about to become used bads when I’m done with her

>>721071684
What will Dess's reaction to this be, as the Roaring Knight?

>>721071684
>Asriel loses all his money.

>>721072032
Kek

>>721072116
Don't forget Kris is stealing all his money, too.

>>721063381
Most of the songs in Undertale were remixes too.

>>721069983
Considering what Toriel was implied to be like in college and Kris like of Susie I’m pretty sure Dreemurr men are just cursed to love baddies

Thoughts on pippins?

>>721070004
>>721063737
>tired "you have to move on" narrative
Pretty lame theme for Toby "master of subversion" Fox. Someone needs to make a game where the moral is "don't move on".

>>721055365
Girls are very likely to lose their virginity during high school/quickly after. They need to practice restraint or to not find a good partner, which is extremely unlikely if they're past the age of 20

>>721072670
Non-Ralsei Darkners are irrelevant.

>>721072670
/utg/ loves them.

>>721063381
Undertale sort of had a lot of remixes but every track still felt distinct, in Deltarune I feel like there's more that just blends in my mind
Also I HATE how the soundtrack releases are different from in game and always autistically missing certain things like the Kris piano stuff or the weird route tracks because they're "secret" or whatever

>>721072594
I love how Noelle is preparing a noose in this.

>>721072670
I feel especially fond of green pippins now.

>>721072745
Toby isn't that big into subversion.

Besides, you can't really have a story about growing up without accepting the fact that you are growing up. The fact it actually argues escapism isn't all bad already makes it pretty subversive.

>>721070417
>Implying college is a GOOD place to get away from mentally unstable women.

>>721071684
I feel Muffet would only touch a man whose family is part of the 1%.

>>721072745
This, it's a hack move and nobody wants to live in the present day.

>>721072918
* Ralsei: "Darkners are irrelevant"
ftfy

>>721073578
>>Implying college is a GOOD place to get away from mentally unstable women.
Maybe a college Chara would be less mentally ill than canon Chara.

>>721072758
I don't see Noelle and Kris having any restraint, frankly.

Both are going to lose their virginity within a week of going ot college.

>>721073831
I like to think Frisk would rein her in, but that's just a assumption.

>>721073381
>you can't really have a story about growing up without accepting the fact that you are growing up
1, it doesn't have to be a story about growing up. Just because something has a teenage cast doesn't mean it has to be a coming of age story.

2, you can grow up without changing much at all or moving on. Its perfectly fine to remain the same, and there's nothing inherently wrong with trying to make things how they used to be, yet people seem to be utterly convinced that anything that goes against "moving on" is inherently wrong.

>>721073870
Kris lost his(her/it/that's) virginity long before college.

>>721073930
Probably. She already is a canon tard-wrangler.

>>721074202
>it doesn't have to be a story about growing up.
Nostaliga and growing up are recuring themes and been since chapter 1.

> you can grow up without changing much at all or moving on.
Here's a example of somebody like that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdbuL0j8-kg

Here's another:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NHQ-lC_UiQ&t=271s

>and there's nothing inherently wrong with trying to make things how they used to be,
It's denial of reality. Things HAVE changed, even if you want to keep what you liked about the past that has to come with the acceptance that the past is not the present.

Eventually the people around you will start dropping dead. You can't change that, you ahve to accept it. Even the Epic of Gilgamesh understood that his inability to understand that was proof of his immaturity. It's only by accepting his own morality that Gilgamesh can finally become a great king.

>>721066516
>"Ok, ok, but what if one of them was a goat boy with pink horns and the other was some kind of Barney thing"
>what's the third one?
>"He's just a normal kid but blue and small"

>>721074393
I mean, if Kris is a a guy it barely matters.

>>721074393
>.com
isn't child porn like this typically kept on the dark web?

>>721050156
Second half of 2026. I don't see it releasing later than Halloween 2026 for Chapter 1's 8th anniversary.

>>721074671
>"The third kid is a smurf?"

>>721072670
greedy thieving jews that need rape correction

>>721074883
Humans have no rights.

>>721075082
>Kris was actually food they bought they liked enough to keep around.

>>721074393
> Dess "raped" Kris
Women can't rape btw, male "victims" of female rape only get positives from that like an unbreakable confidence.

>>721075082
Pretty sure humans are considered the stronger race even in Delatrune, not by THAT much like it was in Undertale, but still.

>>721075150
Dess made the mistake of dissapearing.

Now Kris understands how mindbreakingly good sex with a older women/girls feels but has nobody to tend to his needs. That's a recipe for disaster.

I THINK TOGORE SUCKS

>>721074980
>Kris watches angry joe

>>721075310
Facts. Reddit meme. Frisk or Gaster should win the name race, if not, Chara.

>>721072594
W-why are they preparing to lynch her?

>>721073381
>Toby isn't that big into subversion.
This. Toby hasn't subverted anything so far at all since he's generally kept everything consistent even back on undertale. Mercy Good and Fighting Bad was never broken as a rule there, Kill Everyone was bad and even doing it twice was evil, he never pulled a gotcha, all he ever did was put LV as bad but you were already genociding to get to that point and the game gives you about a hundred chances to not genocide until you hit Sans.

There's been no gotcha in Deltarune so far. We have known about objects and such in the world and what Ralsei explains in 3 for a while, we've known about most of the systems, how Noelle thinks and acts and we've never been baited into a wrong conclusion, just lead places we couldn't predict accurately. We didn't know where the ride was going, but we were never lied to our faces, just surprised at where things were going while staying consistent.

>>721076083
>Noelle sounding like Arnold
Confused boner...

>>721075310
The Togore concept would've been better as an AU if Asriel had a twin sister as the princess of the underground, which was already done if you search on e621 for togore_dreemurr.

>>721076269
I like the idea of Asriel having a twin sister but only if she was a very evil girl trying to manipulate Asriel and Chara into dying so she can rule as evil queen of the underground.

>>721074582
>Nostaliga and growing up are recuring themes and been since chapter 1.
Just because a game contains something doesn't mean its about that thing, and even then Toby still chose to make the story about that.

>"Here's an example of why you're wrong"
>example 1: literally the coolest thing ever
>Example 2: "see I depicted you as the spoiled evil brat wojak, so that means you're wrong."
Both of those are entirely constructed scenarios that exist in fiction, not real life. The author them specifically to force this narrative.

>It's denial of reality
Reality is a lot more malleable than you think it is. Many changes can be prevented, many changes can be reverted, many changes can be delayed until you're too old or dead to care. And even if you probably will fail to stop a change, that still doesn't mean you have to take it lying down.

>even if you want to keep what you liked about the past that has to come with the acceptance that the past is not the present.
Which is not what most "moving on" narratives preach. They preach that the past is dead, the future is always good, you're evil for trying to cling to things from the past, which is a broad generalization that is false more often than it is true. A lot of times you can really have what you had before or something close to it. And even if you can't, there's nothing wrong with preferring nothing at all to whatever replacement the future offers you.

>Eventually the people around you will start dropping dead
And eventually you'll drop dead too. Who's to say you have to move on and keep up with constant cycle of change just to get forced off a short while later anyways? You're going to get forced off the treadmill of moving on eventually and get left behind, so if you prefer to stay behind now rather than wait for life to force you to, then maybe that's okay.
(1/2)

>>721075310
We only care about Yagi here.

>>721061642
because toby is ripping off mother 3

>>721077186
>>721074582
>You can't change that, you have to accept it. Even the Epic of Gilgamesh understood that his inability to understand that was proof of his immaturity.
Just because you recognize that it happens doesn't mean you have let it rule you and worship it as some sort of vengeful god. I can still live my life the way I've been living it, or try to the best of my ability despite the deaths of those around me. I can carry their legacy and memories with me, continue to do what I've been doing, enjoy what I have while I have it, rather than chasing the ephemeral ghost of the future for its own sake. Perhaps I would rather live with memories of things I enjoy instead of the constant wheel of things I hate.

>. It's only by accepting his own morality that Gilgamesh can finally become a great king
Not everyone has to, wants to, or needs to become a great king. Some people are happier and better off remaining nobody special, living where they've always lived, doing nothing of note.

I'm not saying that moving on is inherently bad or that changing as a person is evil. I'm saying that media's depiction of this as a black and white issue where moving on is always good, and moving on always means throwing away your old life for an entirely new one, which will surely be better, and that staying as you are is evil, is simplistic and incorrect. Sometimes it is better to stay where you are, and sometimes its worse to do something new. Sometimes there's nothing wrong with not changing.

I don't think there's anything wrong with someone looking at the wide world and saying "I'd rather stay home" and I wish just for once a story would cover that.

>>721048529
Thanks Toby, can't wait for the final chapter

>>721072670
The somehow pull off a poncho.

>>721076083
A subversion doesn't necessarily mean a cheap gotcha. It just means that it goes against, undermines, or otherwise contradicts an established element, That can be reader expectations in the case of gotchas, or it can be common literary tropes and themes, which is what I want. Undertale heavily subverts themes and trropes present in video games.

>>721078474
That's true. Deltarune plays RPG tropes way more straight than Undertale did. In Undertale the Titan probably wouldn't be just a giant evil monster.

>>721075310
Togore is definitely one of the least funny memes this fandom has produced. Also, I always read it as Toguro

>>721077414
Someone still needs to update the Mario graveyard

>>721079134
The only time Togore was funny was in JesterQuest, where Hussie threw him in as a cameo and then promptly killed him off.

Do you think Ralsei is the players ally? We know he's not evil but he could still be plotting with Kris against us. -

>>721079861
That happened?

Andrew Hussie has a shadow crystal.

>>721080032
https://homestuck.net/official/jester-quest/63.html

>>721077186
>>721077927
Any dramatic story about a teenager is going to be about growing up to some extent. Deltarune is a Bildungsroman for not just Kris but also Susie, and maybe Noelle and Ralsei as well.

We don't know however whether "the importance of moving on" will be a central theme or not, just as we don't know what happened to Dess. What we do know, however, is that a major motive for Kris is his promise to someone. This promise might be to do all this to save Dess, or for something else. The theme of the story could well be "Don't take oaths hastily" which is also the entire point of Tolkien's Silmarillion. For a modern work this would be subversive since the idea of oaths and promises being binding through life and death has largely fallen by the wayside.

>>721079935
He is helping to keep information from the player but I don't think he is malicious. I think he wants to keep the player working along whatever plan surrounding the Prophecy he is working towards.

>>721078474
You're trying to invoke meta level establishment of subversion as an example but within the games its all incredibly consistent. You aren't lied about, mislead or faked out and Undertale very much establishes its rules and messages fine and dandy my guy, the whole point is that you're very clearly told the rules and expectations of the game within the game, its one not playing by usual rules but it is narratively coherent.

Within themselves, there is no real subversion. You're correct in that it means it goes against undermines or contradicts an established element, but there is none of that happening about dark worlds, there is nothing breaking their rules or even breaking character. If you make it where knowing more about a character you didn't know about is reader subversion because you couldn't guess it completely or an event happens you didn't see coming perfectly, I hate to fucking tell you but you're dead ass wrong, that's basic character development and event based storytelling my dude. You're trying to nail everything with the subversion hammer when this is just how things work on a basic narrative level across all stories depicted by media in general.

Undertale and Deltarune are internally consistent. They present the premise very clearly, explicitly and stick to their rules very very hard. They haven't broken anything, not yet.

>>721080219
Holy kino.

>>721077186
>Both of those are entirely constructed scenarios that exist in fiction,
I can give you a list of real life serial killers if you want something more morose.

>Reality is a lot more malleable than you think it is.
No, it really isn't. Just because the voices in your head tell you that you are Napoleon doesn't mean you are.

>Many changes can be prevented, many changes can be reverted, many changes can be delayed until you're too old or dead to care
Death cannot be cured, so by default things will always change.

>Which is not what most "moving on" narratives preach.
Yes, it does. The point is not that you are evil for clinging to the past, it's that you are delusional if you take it too far.

>Who's to say you have to move on and keep up with constant cycle of change just to get forced off a short while later anyways?
The fact you are mortal and will one day die. Society is made up of people, and by the very nature of existence those people will change.

>>721077927
>Just because you recognize that it happens doesn't mean you have let it rule you and worship it as some sort of vengeful god
Again, it's about not denying reality.

>I can still live my life the way I've been living it, or try to the best of my ability despite the deaths of those around me.
Yes, and nobody will judge you for that. They will judge you for carrying around the corpse weekend at bernie style and making the place stink.

>Not everyone has to, wants to, or needs to become a great king.
Most fiction that is trying to impart some kind of message or idea is about becoming a better person. If you want to celebrate mediocrity, you probably shouldn't read stories in the first place.

>I'm saying that media's depiction of this as a black and white issue
So your issue is a strawman you invented for yourself? Give me a example of this, anon.

>>721078474
>Undertale heavily subverts themes and trropes present in video games.
Eh... not really? It's not so much that it subverts most tropes as much as it actually tries to play them more realistically. The game doesn't threat you like a monster for level grinding because subversion, it threats you like a monster because slowly and methodically killing everybody one by one is kind of fucked up when you really think about it. Same thing for loading and saving being story elements, or anything involving Sans and Papyrus.

Storywise Undertale is actually fairly straightforward. Monsters not all being evil, games rewarding you for pacifism, and themes about loss and moving on are all fairly well worn. It's just done well. The most actual subversive element of the game as a whole is probably the relationship between you, the player avatar, and Chara. Something that only really becomes important during the genocide run. If you just go by the True pacfist ending you are left with a pretty good fairy tale esque story with some intresting meta elements and one huge game changing twist near the end.

>>721080326
>What we do know, however, is that a major motive for Kris is his promise to someone. This promise might be to do all this to save Dess, or for something else.
Mabye Kris wants to become a monster. In which case the entire story is about accepting who you are.

Either way, I do think Dess coming back seems... unlikely.

>>721081518
>Mabye Kris wants to become a monster
That's already canon and I am sure Ralsei will be involved with it.

>>721079935
I think he is working with Kris going by all the times he asks you to close your eyes. Nontheless, he clearly likes the player and knowing about your presence probably means that, depending on your choices, he might actually like you more than Kris.

Would be great if all of your interactions with Ralsei actually pay off and he can join Kris or stay with you/Susie when the betrayal happens.

>>721081575
>Carol and Kris both want to allow Darkeners to exist in the light world.
>Carol so Dess can come back. Kris because he intends to steal Ralsei's body and live as a monster.
>Ralsei knows this and is okay with it.
How pissed off would people be at Kris?

>>721081708
Depends if Ralsei will die in the process or not, but very.

>>721081708
Not him but I'd be entirely unsurprised. This guy is a little shitter fuck who keeps disobeying direct simple orders and acts all smug and prickly with me while I'm saying the world with my powers of the SOUL while also having to deal with the fact this fagotinni isn't my fucking VESSEL.

Anyone who treats Kris as a smol bean would be fucking fuming but they're already in denial thinking he's a great person. He's anything but.
>He's traumatized!
Get in line nigger, over half the people here are and they're not good people either, not to mention half the fags in tumblr who also got traumatized by having their uncles and aunts molest them into having sexuality flags in their dorm rooms and needing PREP while acting sanctimoniously superior.

>>721082042
>Depends if Ralsei will die in the process or not,
I mean, either he dies or he is basically forced to exist as little more than a voice in Kris's head. Not good either way.

>>721082175
Kris gets a lot of milleage out of the fact people right now assume he wants to save Dess. Which, while stupid, is at least a somewhat sympathetic motivation. Him wanting to steal Ralsei's body generally less so... Though it does put all of the "Soul as Sukuna" memes in a new light.

CHUD VICTORY

>>721082706
Nobody cares.

>>721082706
Holy based.
Kris - Male
Frisk - Female
Chara - Female

If Kris is a women I intend to bully the shit out of her.

If Kris is a male I'll do the same thing but with no sexual harrashment.

>>721083124
Male Kris should be sexually harassed even more than normal.

>>721083897
Yes, but I'm a guy and not gay.

I'll instead seduce Noelle and have her do it.

>>721061642
Because she is the one controlling Kris body and caging his soul inside.

>>721082706
I mean, option B is objectively correct. Encyclopedias should try to remain objective, and not take interpretation as fact.

>>721084213
B is correct but it will be a cold day in hell before people will admit that.

whats his end goal?

>>721084565
Sex with anthro women (and men)

>>721084565
Older tomboy pussy.

>>721084565
Sex with tomboy girls.

Sadly he will be forced to pick between deer brown flavor and dinosaur purple flavor.

>>721084565
Kris would kill Susie before letting anything bad happen to Dess.

>>721084828
Why is he so loyal to a girl that used to kick him around like a baseball?

>>721084882
She made him a man

>>721084982
Only if she allowed him to dom her.

>>721084565
Me in the back.

>>721084882
She has him by the [HEART SHAPED OBJECT]

>>721085247
>You and Noelle watching Dess eat out Susie while she's getting plowed by Kris.
Is this NTR coded?

>>721085435
Oh no Anon, you misunderstand. I am far too schizophrenic to have cucking in mind, I got plans to execute first.

I want Kris to top Asriel

>>721048048
>>721048679
toby's famous 2011 'fever dream' was actually a full-on near death experience
his brain was flooded with DMT and he was able to see the true nature of our world for a few precious minutes

>>721085565
Would make your own Noelle be gay or straight?

>>721085602
Little sisters never top.

ESPECIALLY if they are tsundere.

>>721085920
Thankfully Kris is a boy.

>>721086108
I haven't read enough Yaoi to judge what are the tropes there.

>>721051470
indians are living proof that doesnt work

>>721086285
>Literally demolishing the UK through sheer force of will.
Nah, it does.

>>721055507
never forget

>>721086448
>Deflowered
God, this is so fucking hot.

>>721086448
>>721086601
do deer have hymens

>>721086285
Indians have a charisma score of 1 though.
Plus they have a shit fixation. So that's disadvantage on those rolls.

>>721086448
Toby's artistic vision

>>721086775
>Plus they have a shit fixation.
That's racists.

>>721086705
I think most mammals do, but it's not something well-researched, because looking into animal vaginas is kinda sus.

>>721086705
No.

Not like that excuse is going to pass if she tries to become a bride.

>>721086957
Don't we eat deer? I'm assuming that if you are skinning and butchering a deer you would probably notice if they have a hymen.

>>721086448
Censored btw.

>>721086601
>>721086705
>>721086862
>>721087524

Imagine Asriel's reaction when he comes down during the weird route:

>Wow, you and Noelle sure do seem close since the last time I saw you.

>>721084882
Femdom fetish just like nearly everyone else in the fuck gang

>>721085674
Her sexuality is murder
Her modus operandi is getting stronger
We'll be opening fountains and powergaming ourselves off the inherently meaningless "lives" of darkners
And it will be great

as someone who has an abusive family chapter 3 and 4 really fucked me up

>>721088514
Ralsei doesn't have a femdom fetish because that implies he only wants to be dommed by women.

>>721088638
Nah, fuck Kris.

He's, like, sixteen anyway. He should be used to his mother bringing home weird skeleton men.

>>721088638
Sans did nothing wrong. Cope incel freak.

>>721047668 (OP)
I don't understand the windows in Toriel's house.

>>721088974
What don't you understand about them?

>>721086448
What did Toby “I love yuri” fox mean by this

>>721089092
He's actually Toby "I love mindbreak" Fox.

>>721089092
It's to show hetrosexual sex is sick and disgusting.

>>721088638
There was nothing abusive about it. At worst, it is rather inconsiderate to be playing music late at night, but it's hardly the end of the world. Sorry you got triggered, but Toriel is allowed to have her fun.

>>721088209
I read that as, "Imagine Asriel's erection when he comes"

>>721089092
that both he and hussie "are" girls

>>721089593
>what your mother did after we met is no one's business

>>721088974
Toby himself doesn't.

>>721089060
sometimes there are little people in them, sometimes there aren't, also they seem to face the town even though logically by the doorway they couldn't. I thought they were originally weird painting depicting the prophecy desu but they changed.

>>721089946
The little people were the Shadow Guys. They disappeared once they are recruited.

>>721089861
If you are her son, it really isn't unless you are Oedipus.

>>721049697
That sounds like a reach. Everything we've gotten so far explicitly holds the titans as evil,.including the prophecy itself. They look like the Knight, they ignore it completely and attack us only. Nothing suggests they are at all a defense system beyond the "GUARDIAN" theme, and it could be interpreted as not necessarily the *Titan* theme but rather the "fighting the Titan" one- WE are the Guardians.

>>721090003
Then why are they in windows, why are they windows??

I still want answers about Yagi

>>721063221
A much more appropriate comparison is Silksong
>Smaller dev team than Deltarune
>Several orders of magnitude more actual gameplay, content and detailed visual assets than Deltarune
>Completed in 7 years while Deltarune still isn't
People give Toby a pass because it's Toby and they love his games but there's really no excuse for it

>>721089604
what are you thoughts on Asriel's penis size?
large? small? average?
what are boss monster measurements anyway

>>721090953
Team Cherry are mutants for making a game that large and ambitious in 7 years. There are innumerable other indie games with teams just as large that have languished in development hell for much longer

>>721090029
"liking your dad and your family and no liking the random guy mom is fucking means you want to fuck your mom"
Is there a more fatherless thing to assume?

>>721072670
CUNTS
except the green one he's cool

>>721091514
Kris can not like Sans and that's fine. It doesn't mean Toriel is an abusive parent for being a bit thoughtless once and moving on after her divorce. She doesn't have to live her life entirely for Kris' sake, you know.

>>721089946
>also they seem to face the town
what gives you that impression?

>>721091496
Yeah but very few of them are follow-ups to wildly successful and beloved indie games like Silksong and Deltarune. If Team Cherry managed to do that much in 7 years with the money, resources, and experience they got from making Hollow Knight there's no reason Toby shouldn't have been able to finish a much simpler game in a similar time frame even with his exploding wrists.

>>721091057
I don't get it.

>>721091514
Kris doesn't even bother to visit Asgore despite the fact that his best friend is currently on his deahbed.

>>721092730
It's because episodic games are bad.

>>721092625
how else would you see people in the window

I like how dess became this meme.

>>721093089
Deltarune being released is a good thing because I can have a parasocial relationship with Toby, chud! I don't actually care about playing the game!

>>721093607
Honestly, I don't mind a episodic schedule if it was just a bit less crazy.

>>721091565
Racism is very bad anon. Please continue.

>>721093426
Since when was that even a meme? I've never seen it before, and the "propaganda" tells me it's very recent. I suspect you may be full of shit.

>>721093727
You will get a game every four years and you will like it.

>>721094056
At least we have fangames like Undertale yellow to carry us over.

Lol

>>721095114
That fangame is already years old, and the only other promising fangame is TSUnderswap that will probably never be finished.

>>721095345
I mean, I might finish my fangame... eventually.

If I can get a sprite artist anyhow.

>>721095434
What is it about, again?

>>721095867
Touhou X Deltarune crossover game.

>>721096437
Oh yeah, I remember that. Good luck on it. Getting good artists is hard.

did seb ever answer or is it over

>>721060493
>>721060594
>>721061125

>>721098457
No, he didn't answer me. You can check it out yourself:
https://www.tumblr.com/magma-seb
He just reblogs leftist posts and Deltarune memes.

OH KRIS
KRIS, KRIS,
YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD VEHICLE, AND I'VE ENJOYED THE RIDE, BUT NOW HE'S WEAK AND FULL OF HOLES
IT'S ALMOST NEARLY TIME TO SHUFFLE OFF TO BUFFALO!
AH, KRIS IS A BABE IN THE WOODS
WITH A LARGE HOLE WHERE HIS CONSCIENCE USED TO BE
AND WHEN I GO, CHILDREN, I WILL PULL THAT RIPCORD!
AND YOU WATCH KRIS, REMEMBER, WATCH HIM!
BUT NOT FOR LONG...

>>721099182
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo

>>721099290
I think we might have been too direct. He's still accepting questions, so you can give another try if you want.

>>721099423
Or maybe we should try someone else

>>721099635
That, too.

>>721081708
I doubt it will happen but that's pretty fucked up and cool at the same time. Susie would absolutely despise Kris and stop the plan even if it cost her life

>>721091319
Judging by his parents he should be like 7'0 tall so his cock must be at least 10 inches long

>>721100629
Chara and Dess tanked THAT? Damn.

>>721100465
"Muh Dess" is still the more likely motivaiton. I really doubt Toby would make Kris that unsympathetic. Even if he changes his mind "I lied to my friends so I could bodyjack a character everybody liked"

>>721101563
*Is a hard thing to come back from.

>>721093369
provide source

>>721101563
If Dess was such a nice person she wouldn't approve the lenghts her mom and Kris are reaching to bring her back. However Kris could become very sympathetic if the plans turns out to be a reality warping deal where she gets to live like nothing happened while Kris gets turbo deleted from existance like a goner or something like that.

>>721100629
So he lost to Ralsei?

>>721102248
I have my suspicious that Dess isn't the greatest person, but even if she is a wonderful person that would never want this I think it's pretty likely Carol and Kris wouldn't care because 1: Carol is Carol and therefore wants her daughter back no matter what she might think of it 2: Kris is wracked by guilt after whatever happened in the bunker.

Kris dying at the end of it is very likely. Really, the only argument i have against it is that it makes Carol's behavior seem pretty odd. You think she would rahter not have Noelle hang out with a soon to be corpse, even if he is going to goner herself.

>>721103585
I think Susie is the sacrifice instead.

>>721103702
Susie being the sacrifice is also possible. Though I must admit going by her reaction her being the one to kill Kris is also likely. So, right now, it's very much up in the air.

Overall, I think Kris is going to lean towards sympathetic but stupid. With a lot of the blame probably falling in Carol's lap despite her also having a very sympathetic goal.

>>721050245
the titan is a dark reflection of the player, using generic bald human silhouette to not commit to a particular look or perhaps it's just an aged "baby human default appearance" that never gains hair or personality or anything like that because it has no use for them

but yea, titans are darker than dark, real life / us are lighter than light in dr terms, we are the angel and irl is angel's heaven

>>721103854
It could be Kris killing her, too.

>>721103702
>>721103854
I don't think Susie is sacrifice, her reaction to the final tragedy is more consistent with Kris being sacrifice and her being the executor. As in, she is shocked initially, but quickly begins to think it's something in her control - all she has to do is not killing Kris, right?

>>721101563
The issue is that 1, in this scenario Ralsei would not only be ok with what is happening, but eager for it to happen since he's religiously devoted to the idea of surveying lightners. And 2, that (you)'ve done the exact same thing. (You)'ve body jacked Kris and are puppeteering him around all the time. The game could very easily turn that around on you if you had an issue with what Kris is doing, which would be very interesting narratively.

>>721104298
>an aged "baby human default appearance" that never gains hair

>>721102292
it's not fair
how can ralsei be a foot and a half shorter
but have a longer benis

>>721080672
>I can give you a list of real life serial killers if you want something more morose.
Not really a fitting example since there's no growing and changing past being criminally insane. There's no changing that all. Most of the time if you are criminally psychotic, you were born that way, and even if you weren't its still unfixable.

Even if it were, that's a very extreme example and you know it. Plenty of people can keep up old habits or prefer to do things in an old fashioned way without being serial killers. As a matter of fact I'd say the vast majority of people do.

>No, it really isn't. Just because the voices in your head tell you that you are Napoleon doesn't mean you are
You don't have to be napoleon to change your surroundings. All you have to do is taking action to keep the things around you from decaying and rotting away. Basic maintenance of the world you grew up in.

>Death cannot be cured, so by default things will always change.
Not everything dies. Some things can last forever if they're properly maintained. And even things that can die can last a very long time if properly taken care of. And you if you do lose someone one, that doesn't mean you have to let go. You can carry their memory with you forever.

Even you admit that there is such a state in which you are moving on, but its not gone too far,

>The fact you are mortal and will one day die.
That's my point. If you're eventually going to die and be left behind anyways, then it kinda defeats the point of constantly moving forward and trying to keep up.

>Society is made up of people, and by the very nature of existence those people will change.
But that doesn't mean you have to do it at every opportunity, and are barred from resisting it.

(1/2)

>>721104579
Exacly. That's largely why it seems the more ikelyversion.

>>721104745
> in this scenario Ralsei would not only be ok with what is happening, but eager for it to happen since he's religiously devoted to the idea of surveying lightners
Agree, that's why I DON'T think it's the final propechy. Hell, it might even be Kris attempt to cheat the final propechy. Aka: My HUMAN body dies but I still get to keep on living as Ralsei.

> that (you)'ve done the exact same thing. (You)'ve body jacked Kris and are puppeteering him around all the time. The game could very easily turn that around on you if you had an issue with what Kris is doing, which would be very interesting narratively.
That's honestly one of the few reasons why this is even remotely plausible as a theory, at least from a narrative perspective.

>>721104579
Susie focuses on Ralsei not letting that happen, so I think it's more likely of him and Kris killing Susie.

>>721105204
Well, if Ralsei is indeed based on how Kris and Dess perceived Asriel, then he should consider it flattering. Now, Kris obviously saw him when they were bathing together, and him being younger, things obviously looked bigger than they were, but Dess could give a much more objective evaluation.

>>721106051
>Not really a fitting example since there's no growing and changing past being criminally insane.
The point is that most criminal insane people are simply people that never grew up. They kept acting like a child, no matter how old they got.

>Plenty of people can keep up old habits or prefer to do things in an old fashioned way without being serial killers
You unironically can't. Or at least you can't do it without bieng complicit in mass murder. Mabye if you are Amish...Then you are just a parasite.

>You don't have to be napoleon to change your surroundings
You kind of do, actually.

>All you have to do is taking action to keep the things around you from decaying and rotting away
Your words betray you. You generlaly can't stop decay. It WILL happen. Most "Mainterance" involves replacing things that are busted.

>Not everything dies.
No? Everything does dies. Eventually even the planet will be gone.

>You can carry their memory with you forever.
That is letting go.

> then it kinda defeats the point of constantly moving forward and trying to keep up.
It's not a question of "keeping up", it's a question of accepting reality. Things will change, if you stay behind or try to keep up is not a real choice because the world you live in will always be the world you live in.

>But that doesn't mean you have to do it at every opportunity, and are barred from resisting it.
Neither is being demanded from it. Like I said, we have Amish groups. I think they are parasites but I wouldn't deny their right to exist.

>>721080672
>Again, it's about not denying reality.
Change isn't always the reality. Look at nature, its remained the same as it exists right now for millions of years, and it takes millions of years for change to occur. The forests, the rivers, and mountains were here long before you, and they will be here long after you're gone. Look medieval peasants, their grandparents lived much the same way they did, as would their grand children. Its possible for things to stay the same in a great many ways.The world doesn't have to be constantly thrown out and remade every 20 years.

>They will judge you for carrying around the corpse weekend at bernie style and making the place stink.
And when did I say people should do that?

>Most fiction that is trying to impart some kind of message or idea is about becoming a better person. If you want to celebrate mediocrity, you probably shouldn't read stories in the first place.
You don't have to be a great king to be a better person, and sometimes the best person you can be is the person you are right now. The world needs mediocre people doing the mundane necessities to keep it functional. Somebody has to grow the food that Gilgamesh eats, somebody has to stitch his clothes, someone has to deliver his decrees to his subjects. I think it is deeply harmful to society how under taught this lesson is. Many people do go around thinking that if you aren't this great man of history making amazing achievements, then you're basically worthless and might as well die.

>Give me a example of this, anon.
How about The Last Jedi since we're going with extreme examples. That story was all about how the past needs to die. A more fair example would be Where The Red Fern Grows. I find the ending of that story to be detestable. Abandoning his childhood home and all the things he loves for the promise of a better life in the city, when he absolutely could have stayed in the mountains and gotten new dogs. (cont)

Fags looping with shatgpt get out

>>721106941
And then at the very end he's an old man living alone in the city, no family, no friends, who can only think of how much he misses his dogs and the mountains. And the story treats this as a good thing. That his dogs dying and him losing his childhood home was a necessary evil so that the greater good of moving to the city could happen.

I think change as a virtue absolutely needs to be knocked down a peg or two. Our entire lives are fundamentally about fighting entropy. Because the ultimate change, the final place the universe wants you is dead, rotting, in the ground. Everything before that is you fighting against it to live as long as you can.

>>721080610
I'm saying what I'm hoping for and expecting is a meta level subversion. I don't like cheap gotchas, I do like stories that go against commonly established tropes.

>>721107001
Respect robot lovers.

>>721106941
> its remained the same as it exists right now for millions of years,
No, it hasn't. What are you talking about? Animals died out, others changed. Nature exists in a constant state of change.

> The forests, the rivers, and mountains were here long before you, and they will be here long after you're gone.
They also won't be there eventually, and there was a point where they were not before that. Just because you cannot conceive of time that long does not mean it's not real.

> Look medieval peasants, their grandparents lived much the same way they did, as would their grand children.
No they didn't. Are you really pushing the dark age meme? If you lived as a peasant between 1200AD and 1500AD you had a insanely varied life. Most of the social order of Europe essentially collapsed at least 2 times. Even the actual early middle ages was pretty wild.

>The world doesn't have to be constantly thrown out and remade every 20 years.
The world IS remade every 20 years. The kings that once were will pass away, and their sucessors will be different people.

> The world needs mediocre people doing the mundane necessities to keep it functional.
The world does not need mediocre people. A farmer that is good at growing crops is better at one that is mediocre. That is why history is a constant move forward. The lord whose peasants do not produce enough crops will be outcompeted by those that do. In most cases that will result in his family being exterminated by invaders.

> Many people do go around thinking that if you aren't this great man of history making amazing achievements, then you're basically worthless and might as well die.
Life is equally meanigless no matter what your role in the history books is. The only meaning that can be obtained is through your interactions with society, with other humans. If you choose to sit still, and others do not, then that is your error.

>>721081379
>It's not so much that it subverts most tropes as much as it actually tries to play them more realistically
that is a subversion anon

>>721107390
No nigger flooding the thread with walls of garbage deserves zero respect.

>>721099784
Maybe ask that magma-seb guy if they could be understanding that we've been trying to find goat mun for years now? Who else is there that could be asked?

>>721107370
And what I'm saying is you have nothing to fear. The story is not too predictable but it's also not poisoned by irony or hate. If you really had a counter to what I've said you'd probably have said it, so I think you and I are more or less in the same wave length

>>721107838
Is this good to send?

>>721106941
>How about The Last Jedi since we're going with extreme examples. That story was all about how the past needs to die.
No, it wasn't. The entire point of the Last Jedi is that the past SHOULDN'T be killed. I hate defending that movie, but this is such a retarded take it needs pointing out. You literally have the explicit main villain claim that the past needs to die only to have the heroine openly reject him. You have luke openly list plenty of valid arguments against the Jedi Order only to have those rejected by everybody around them. The ultimate culmination of his character arc is him rejecting the old order and coming back as the Luke everybody believed he was.

you can argue the movie was unconvincing, but the intent is so blindingly obvious listing it as a example is silly.

>Where The Red Fern Grows
I haven't read the Red Fern Grows, but just going by your description your problem is idiotic.

>And the story treats this as a good thing.
Because what else was he going to do? Abandon his family and stay alone in the mountains with his dogs living as a hermit until he dies from tripping and his dogs eat him? You can't demand the world to not change.

>I think change as a virtue absolutely needs to be knocked down a peg or two.
Change is not a virtue, it's a invetablity. You can no more fight it than you can fight the tides.

>Our entire lives are fundamentally about fighting entropy.
I've found another character I'll think you'll like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0EUqCzmSRM

>>721099182
sometimes tumblr will eat an ask for no real reason at all. even adding a little ... to your message can lead to it being sent to the void instead of whoever you are trying to contact

Why are people trying so hard to ask someones shit on tumblr? Am I out of the loop of something, because it sure fucking feels like it.

>>721108112
I think so, I'm not sure if that seems wrong.

>>721108378
It's because of the Ralsei is based on a dead kid rumor

>>721108112
I think that's still too direct (and openly schizo). Just tell him you are an old friend/acquaintance of goatmun who lost contact and wanted to talk to him again or some shit.

>>721108391
Sent. Now we wait.

>>721108428
>fits the rumor down to a T
>except for the being dead part
Between this shit and the Hussie=Noelle rabbit hole, I can't tell which one is weirder

>>721108468
Already sent. You were too slow. Let's see what happens now.

>>721108378
For years there had been people dropping cryptic posts about Ralsei supposedly being based on a dead kid, and a couple days ago we may have found the person that matches literally EVERY detail about the rumor but he MAY not be dead, one faggot here apparently has a tumblr account that you apparently need to contact anyone there and has been trying to contact one of the people.
Keep in mind when I say YEARS I mean like FIVE years that people have been cryptically dropping hints about this person, I don't have all the details about this person, someone might be able to lay out this Ralseilike individual's information that we have, but it turned out to almost ALL be true, the one detail being wrong that he's dead. He's Alive as far as we know.

>>721108428
>>721108780
Huh, neat. Best of luck then and tell if shit works broskis.

>>721108468
He should say he saw it in the shadow crystals

>>721108673
It's pretty funny

>>721108673
You could say things took a weird route to get here

>>721108673
It is pretty funny. I always thought the Ralsei stuff was a thread injoke.

>>721109671
I thought it was complete bs, it's insane he's real.

>>721108673
Noelle = Hussie weighs really hard being the plot of deltarune Tobby's awful teenage years
If the rumor of ralsei is true, then that is the child they accidentally killed and is the event that is referenced here and in omori

Hussie connects the story more to reality and the dead kid makes everything a scandal

>>721110210
there's no dead child though. or, at the very least, that kid was still alive for several years after deltarune came out

>>721110570
It's possible people thought he was dead

The thing is why the fuck would Toby base one of his main characters on a random fan that was being bullied???

>>721110829
Honestly I think it might just be a coincidence desu.

>>721110951
I genuinely don't know if I could believe it to be a coincidence at this point.

>>721111313
It sounds wrong to say it but, at this point, I'm almost convinced goatmun himself is the one that started the rumor.

What meme ship are autistic about

>>721111719
Flowisk.

>>721111719
susie x femkris
some people get really ass hurt about it for some reason

>>721107397
>No, it hasn't. What are you talking about? Animals died out, others changed. Nature exists in a constant state of change.
Things change, but they stay the same. Individual animals die, but things continue to operate as they have. Everything that dies is replaced with something functionally identical, and its like it never died at all.
>Just because you cannot conceive of time that long does not mean it's not real.
It may as well not exist for me and you. We will never reach that point in time, nor will anyone we know. For all practical purposes nature is eternal.
> Even the actual early middle ages was pretty wild.
Maybe for landed gentry, lords, or a man at arms. For your average person working the fields, the only thing that changed was who the lions share of your crops went to at the end of the year. Your day to day life was the same.
>The world IS remade every 20 years. The kings that once were will pass away, and their sucessors will be different people.
And yet things will continue to operate as they have. Even when sweeping changes do happen, they're entirely optional. Just because a new king is declared, it doesn't mean he has to change every single policy the previous king instated.
> A farmer that is good at growing crops is better at one that is mediocre.
And yet they both grow crops, more than what is needed to feed all of the people who need food. Even if they were all producing obscene amounts of food, all that means is that producing obscene amounts of food is now mediocre.

>The only meaning that can be obtained is through your interactions with society, with other humans
Someone who seeks happiness purely from external sources will never be happy. Somehow who gets their happiness from within will always be satisfied.

> If you choose to sit still, and others do not, then that is your error.
Why would it be? If I remain as I am, and get everything I need from doing so, then what's wrong with that state of affairs? (cont)

>>721112051
>>721107397
And if I'm not satisfied with what I have, but what moving on offers me isn't satisfactory either, then what's the point in moving forward.

>>721111719
Chasriel.
But both Ralsusie and Krusie also got my support.

>>721107397
>>721112051
literally what the fuck are you two talking about how is this video games no i'm not reading the rest of your text wall vomit chain

>>721111569
I think it'd make more sense if it was one of the people fucking with him.

>>721111719
Ralsusie. I trust in Toby and his ability to make me cry like a bitch when they get together during the apocalypse

>>721111569
That would actually explain how weirdly defensive the posts about it got despite having no proof for several years.

>>721112354
It's some faggot flooding the thread with chatgpt.

>>721108186
>Abandon his family
He could have stayed with his grandfather. That aside, the entire reason his family moved was so that he could have a better life in the city, which we can see by the end he very clearly didn't.
>stay alone in the mountains with his dogs living as a hermit until he dies from tripping
We all have to die eventually. Better to do it after living a life you enjoyed than missing one you abandoned. Living as a hermit in the mountains sounds a lot better to me than living in the city, and more importantly, its clearly the life that was best for him, and the one he wanted.

>You can't demand the world to not change.
Yes you can. You can demand anything, and if you try you just might get what you're demanding, even if only for a while. The goal then is to make that while last as long as possible.

>You can no more fight it than you can fight the tides.
You can fight the tides, its hard, but it is doable. That's why the majority of the Netherlands isn't underwater right now.

>I've found another character I'll think you'll like:
This video appears to just be a "waifu being cute compilation". Could you give an actual QRD on it?

>>721112354
We're arguing about the nature of the world since I said I really don't like stories whose message is "you have to move on" and that other anon had a problem with that.

image_friend makes me feel like everyone else got a copy of the game where this is a character or an entity of some sort and i got a copy of the game where it's a spooky face that shows up a few times in cutscenes and makes a cameo in the mike minigame

>>721113027
What, you haven't found him in minecraft? Skill issue man.

>>721113027
It's from the meta cockteasing bullshit toby likes to do outside the game.

>>721113027
theorycrafting is a hell of a drug

>>721113027
I caught FRIEND raiding my fridge in the middle of the night. Have to buy a whole new bottle of grape jelly now.

>>721112734
"the story is about moving on" is pretty lame when it's used to shut down the idea of anything interesting and paranormal happening and forcing carol to be the knight

>>721112051
> but things continue to operate as they have
No, they don't.

>Everything that dies is replaced with something functionally identica
See above.

> and its like it never died at all.
No, it doen't.

>It may as well not exist for me and you.
For you and me, mortality will come far sooner. For everything else, it will come eventually.

>Maybe for landed gentry, lords, or a man at arms.
No, for everybody. If a war breaks out and entire villages are wiped off the map, that's going to be noticed. Same for the black plague, mongol invasions, societal upheaval, a dynasty being replaced, etc.

>And yet things will continue to operate as they have
That's the problem, and where your ignorance of history comes in: They didn't.

>And yet they both grow crops, more than what is needed to feed all of the people who need food.
A country with a surplus economy is by default always going to dominate over one who does not.

> Somehow who gets their happiness from within will always be satisfied.
The only people who can get happiness from within are sociopaths.

>Why would it be?
Because the rest of the world will move on.

> If I remain as I am, and get everything I need from doing so, then what's wrong with that state of affairs?
Outside of the part where you have no friends, no family, and no dogs: Nothing.

>>721112127
The fact that moving on allows you to become a better more mature person.

>>721112354
Weirdo that flunked out of high school doesn't understand history or nature.

>>721112734
I mostly have a issue with your retarded reasoning. If you don't like stories that actually try to impart life lessons, then that's up to you. If you try to defend it by badly misunderstanding the middle ages that's your issue.

>>721113027
He's mostly an OC right now.

>>721112473
Isn't it way more likely someone from that bloomingdreemurr thing?

>>721113586
People are too harsh on Noelle with the "kinda forced" quote. This is Kris we're talking about, the extremely autistic weirdo child who gave her so much attention during all these years but in their own strange bizarre way Noelle could never tell if Kris actually liked her or not, then after the Dess incident which is the worst trauma of her life Kris also shuts down leaving her wondering with no conclusion if Kris ever liked her back.

I ate FRIEND sorry
(FRIEND inside me)

>>721113027
Toby purposefully cultivates brainrot and theory bullshit within the community so that the fans end up writing gags for him

>Chapter 5 not coming out for another year
This is getting absurd

>>721113946
Toby barely does anything. At best he does some ARGs, and plenty of devs have done that without the fandom going completely bugfuck insane.

Toby's sin is expecting us to be reasonable people and not wildly overreach like a gaggle of schizophrenics

>>721113876
People mostly view it harshly becuase it sounds like she's throwing Kris under the bus to get with Susie. She is genuinly confused about what Kris even is to her and it's not hard to understand why when Kris is a pretty awful friend (Or at least has been since the Dess incident, he was autistic and weird but not too bad as a kid far as we can gather).

>>721113586
Just because they were childhood friends doesn't mean they should fuck.

They should fuck because they are both kinky fucks who would both do weird private roleplaying sessions.

okay but egg rooms are "the rooms in between" and the cat shapes in FRIEND's legs are literally negative space in between them and FRIEND probably came from an egg in cat petterz so it's very likely related to the egg rooms

>>721114005
Full game in 2029 btw.

>>721113027
FRIEND and by extension stuff like ch2 community's Mike annoys me because instead of discussing the actual characters everyone prefers to make up a Satan who is behind everything and used his offscreen haki to turn every villain evil

>>721114318
People are still suffering from early fanon Chara brainrot.

>>721114318
>used his offscreen haki to turn every villain evil
I mean that's literally what the Knight is doing.
It's confirmed in both King and Queen's cases that they were chill until the Fountain showed up and they suddenly became tyrants.

>>721114387
Early fanon Chara was based and I will never deny that.

>>721048203
Underrated post

>>721114318
Wasn't ch2 community's Mike literally just Tenna but before we knew "[Anything You See On TV]" and "Mike" were separate entities

>>721114130
i think a problem a lot of people have is toby fucking around doing other projects when he's 'supposed' to be working on deltarune
it makes it seem like he's deliberately stalling making the game because he would rather do shit with literally who vtubers or indie devs from 20 years ago
3+4 got delayed by almost a year because he wanted to wait for the jp translation, then the ps5 shit, and then the switch 2 release
that annoys people when the chapters were already shortened from their initial 3-5 announcement 4 years prior

>>721114473
The Knight didn't even talk to King in person, he went evil by himself. Jevil was the one who told him of the Knight and that was all it took for him to go evil.

>>721113501
>No, they don't.
Yes they do

>No, it doen't.
Yes it is. Explain to me the practical difference between the red squirrel that lives on a tree today and the one that lived on that tree ten years.

>if a war breaks out and entire villages are wiped off the map
And yet when the war ends someone ends up farming that land just like the peasants who farmed it before.

>They didn't.
They did

>A country with a surplus economy is by default always going to dominate over one who does not
Not always. There's always the option where they don't come to blows because war is costly and has little benefit, or where one simply submits to the other peacefully and pays them a tax.

>The only people who can get happiness from within are sociopaths.
That's just untrue. Basically anyone can do it. You don't have to pull the legs off of spiders to learn to be content with what you have.

>Because the rest of the world will move on.
And?

>Outside of the part where you have no friends, no family, and no dogs
You can still have those things while living that way. Sure they'll all eventually die but so will you. So what happens eventually doesn't matter, only what you have for most of your life and whether you enjoy it.

>The fact that moving on allows you to become a better more mature person.
Why is it better? Why is it more mature? Why does that matter?

I holding on to what you care about is its own virtue. It shows integrity and loyalty. The idea that you'll still be loyal to something even if you should have abandoned it by now. I've also seen that maturity usually means the opposite of this. Young people are fresh, malleable, not rooted down to anything. So they aren't too hurt when they lose something, and can readily move on. Its the older people who all these attachments, who have become to developed and set to be able to move on anymore. There's a reason old people are usually thought of as living in the past.

>>721113563
I don't have a problem with imparting life lessons, I have a problem with that specific life lesson and the way its taught.

>>721114814
Oh my god shut up

>>721113027
A face repeatedly showing up with no explanation is going to raise questions anon.

You can say it's all speculation but you shouldn't be baffled why people are running with the most likely explanation of it being a character.

>>721114265
>Just because they were childhood friends doesn't mean they should fuck
Yes it does
>They should fuck because they are both kinky fucks who would both do weird private roleplaying sessions
But this is also true

>>721114983
But everything has to be a red herring, don't you know?
All the hints to the Knight being a Holiday are fake hints put there solely to troll you. They're not antlers, they're letter T's because the Knight is actually Toriel and the Toriel she tried to kidnap was a decoy all along. Tricky Tony "Red Herring" Fox does it again! That's all he does!

>>721114543
It was fun as long as they made him Dio Brando and wasn't just there for Sans wank.

>>721088638
>The subtle frames Kris and Susie have in that entire scene
Anyone who doesn't see this as Kris being depressed seeing toriel like this and Susie not having her view of kris' perfect home life shattered are actually delusional. No other way to put it

>>721115302
True. Yandere Fem Dio Chara is best Chara.

>>721115302
>poisoned his adoptive father
>fused with his goody two shoes adoptive brother
>likes knives
>came back from the dead
Chara literally is Dio

>>721115302
If you think about it Chara really is Dio
>Evil since birth
>Mysteriously lost his birth parents, who were terrible enough to make him hate humanity
>Adopted by a rich family
>Has a goody two shoes adoptive brother
>Poisons his adoptive father
>Obtains godlike power after dying in an attempt to get revenge on humanity
>Kills his brother and himself while trying to take control of his brother's body
>Red eyes

>>721114265
>private
they are both open degenerates

>>721115473
If only Asriel had a Speedwagon in his life to warn him about Chara's tricks.

>>721114814
>Yes they do
Examples.

> Explain to me the practical difference between the red squirrel that lives on a tree today and the one that lived on that tree ten years.
That tree might not have even been there ten years ago. Let alone a hundred or a thousand.

>And yet when the war ends someone ends up farming that land just like the peasants who farmed it before.
No, a lot of the time the land was just straight up gone. Or nobody farmed it. Or the people that formed it had a entirly differnet religion and way of life.

>They did
Examples.

>There's always the option where they don't come to blows because war is costly and has little benefit, or where one simply submits to the other peacefully and pays them a tax.
So, domination?

>Basically anyone can do it.
Nobody normal can do it because it's universally understood humans are social animals.

>And?
You will be left behind.

>You can still have those things while living that way
No, you cannot. People will change, they will want different things, they will move to different places. If you steadfastly refuse to accept that, you will be left behind.

>Why is it better?
Because accepting reaity and understanding the way the world works is part of what it means to be a adult.

>Why is it more mature?
See above.

>Why does that matter?
Because it makes you a better person to be around. If you want to live as a hermit in the wood, more power to you. But most people do not.

>I holding on to what you care about is its own virtue
It's neither a virtue or a sin. It's a choice you make. A rather immature one, but one you are still able to make.

>I've also seen that maturity usually means the opposite of thi
Because sticking with a bad idea out of stuborness is universally bad.

> There's a reason old people are usually thought of as living in the past.
Old people more often than not ARE stuck in the past.

>>721115652
Kris and Noelle would do pet play in public

I think "moving on" themes are way weaker when they're part of a setting where revival is actually possible and reviving a loved one is treated as a bad thing
The whole point of moving on is that you CAN'T do that in real life so it's healthier to just come to terms with loss
Putting revival into the magic system and saying "this is bad, actually" to push the message anyway feels more like some spiderman capeshit "canon event" BS than a life lesson

>>721115568
>>721115473
I remember seeing some old memes with Chara as Dio. It was a common joke in the very early fandom, at least on the places I hung out with. Fell out of favor pretty quickly though.

>>721115676
"Look alive, master Asriel. She's trying to lure you in. By now you are probably wondering who I am, allow me to elucidate you. The name is Robert E.O speedwagon. I had a hunch Asriel's run of trouble might not be done, so I headed underground. I like you, Asriel, so I'm gonna offer up this little tidbit pro bono. Living in the gutter, you learn to spot lowlives pretty quick if you want to see tommorow. I've trained my nose to sniff out the bad ones from the good with just a sniff. This kid reeks of brimstone and blood worse than anyone I've ever laid eyes on! He is pure evil! Right down to his very bones! Is she a victim of circumstance, you might be wondering? Not on your life! She was evil from the day she first drew breath."

Honestly felt more appropiate doing this for Yukari.

>>721115220
FRIEND being just some completely unexplained face that keeps popping up would be more akin to getting no explanation for what the knight is whatsoever. Toby's perfectly allowed to throw us for a loop as long as there is an actual explanation for what we've been shown so far.

>>721115652
Nah, Noelle puts on a nice virginal church girl act. Like she said, only Kris knows that she's a kinky fuck.

>>721116119
>where revival is actually possible
Like? Asriel is still gone at the end of Undertale.

>>721116151
>Fell out of favor pretty quickly though.
To be fair, we also had Mad Dummy as a Dio expy. And then he was turned into a fucking catgirl.

>>721116272
Yeah.

I tend to prefer morally ambigious Chara's. But if you are going to make them evil at least have fun with it.

>>721116272
Dummy was always a girl. Her dream was to look cute in a store.

>>721116151
Some people really do like the DIO as Chara idea.

>>721116385
>chingchong writing in the bottom right panel
>still reads left to right

>>721115697
>That tree might not have even been there ten years ago
Do you know how long it takes trees to grow? That tree most certainly was there ten years ago.

>Nobody normal can do it because it's universally understood humans are social animals.
You need to have social interactions yes, but if you can't live without the approval of others then you'll always be unhappy. Always worrying if people secretly hate you, or if none of them care at all.

>People will change, they will want different things, they will move to different places
Not everyone will. Some will stay behind like I have and they can be my friends.

>you will be left behind.
I don't think there's anything wrong with being left behind.

>Because accepting reaity and understanding the way the world works is part of what it means to be a adult.
You can accept the existence of something without just allowing it do it whatever it wants. Adults refuse to take what reality gives them all the time, and that's the only way things ever get done. Someone sees the reality, refuses to accept it, and actively works to make it no longer the reality.

>Because it makes you a better person to be around
I find the opposite kind of people to be more pleasant to be around.

>If you want to live as a hermit in the wood, more power to you. But most people do not.
I agree. I also know that not everyone wants to move to go to university, move to the city, climb the corporate ladder, and constantly move across the country, jumping from place to place seeking opportunity. Some people would rather, and are indeed better off, just staying home and keeping up what they have.

I want a story that recognizes that its ok to do that.

>It's neither a virtue or a sin
No, it is a virtue. It shows that a person will stick to what they believe in no matter what. It makes them trustworthy and reliable. A person like that isn't suddenly going to reinvent themselves and decide they don't want you in their life anymore when you (cont)

Frisk and Chara's relationship is like Jonathan and DIO's
very gay

>>721116806
They're straight for (me).

>>721115697
>>721116785
Need them most, or go back on a promise they made to you because they changed their mind. The best kind of friend you can have is a loyal and unchanging one, because you know you can always rely on him. I'd say that makes it one of the highest virtues.

>Because sticking with a bad idea out of stuborness is universally bad.
It may be bad, but there's still a crumb of virtue in it. The person is dedicated and principled.

>Old people more often than not ARE stuck in the past.
Which is my point. Maturity isn't change, its the resistance to change. Old people have lost their plasticity, their ability to change, that's what makes them mature.

I think you view the world too narrowly. Not all people are the same and not everyone benefits from the same things you do. Some people really are better off avoiding or resisting change rather than flowing with it.

>>721116806
Does that makes Asriel Erina?

>>721116785
>Do you know how long it takes trees to grow?
People can move trees.

>but if you can't live without the approval of others then you'll always be unhappy.
It's not about approval, it's about interaction.

>I don't think there's anything wrong with being left behind.
Then what are you even complaining about? if you don't care about the people around you and you can abandon all of them to stay behind alone, it sounds like you have no issue.

>You can accept the existence of something without just allowing it do it whatever it wants.
Yes, which is not what you are doing. In fact, by trying to pretend you can do something about mortality you are betraying your own mortality.

>I find the opposite kind of people to be more pleasant to be around.
Sociopaths and serial killers? Or children? Either way, not a good look.

>Some people would rather, and are indeed better off, just staying home and keeping up what they have.
I doubt that, actually. But, hey, if they are fine being alone their entire life more power to them.I don't condone basement dwellers.

>I want a story that recognizes that its ok to do that.
Go read Isekai. it's nothing but lazy, evil, and bad people that refuse to change being handed everything they want in life.

> It shows that a person will stick to what they believe in no matter what.
That's not a virtue, that's stuborness. Possibly even insanity.

>It makes them trustworthy and reliable
If somebody denies reality, they are the oppsoite of trustworthy and reliable. They can murder you just because the voices in their head told them it was the right idea.

>>721111719
Krusielle.
They teased the throuple with Rouxls, and he's a fuckup in everything he does.
So the three lightners could make it work, especially with how thirsty Noelle is.

Also Catti with Ralsei. Once she gets to the Dark World, she will love being pampered by Rals, and he will love being treated like a pet by a disinterested owner that still loves him.

>>721117147
Yes.

>>721116216
>Asriel is still gone at the end of Undertale.
He's not though. He's right there telling you to leave.Sure he's a lot edgier than he used to be, but he's still Asriel.

>>721117123
> The best kind of friend you can have is a loyal and unchanging one
The best kind of friends are those that make you a better person.

>because you know you can always rely on him
then they have to accept reality. That means being able to understand something is a bad idea even if they like it, instead of denying reality.

>It may be bad, but there's still a crumb of virtue in it.
There is no virtue to being ignorant on purpose. There is no virtue to being insane.

>Maturity isn't change, its the resistance to change
It's the acceptance of change. The evilest people on the planet are old people who have not accepted they will one day die.

>Not all people are the same and not everyone benefits from the same things you do.
Right back at you. Overall, I don't judge you for trying to stick what you believe to. I simply point out that it's bad advice for almost everybody else and that is understood for a reason. Especially when you show a shocking lack of understanding of history and biology.

Holy shit Jannies I know you hate Deltarune but this is fucking embarrassing.

>>721089092
It means he likes tortured yuri

>>721117259
>Chara stole Asriel's first kiss.

>>721117262
His literal soul is gone. It's hard to call it a resurrection.

>>721117476
How long would each member of the Fun Gang last as a Madoka Magical girl?

>>721117453
Is this because of the autistic conversation going on?

>>721117573
Chara? Into sexual harassment.

>>721117664
Yes.

The Autistic.

.

"Very Real" Conversation

Going On

That People Totally Post Like this.

.

And

.
DEFINITELY has nothing to do with flooding the thread with retardedly long garbage posts going in a fucking circle because shatgpt can't write anything original

>>721117634
>ralsei
at least a month, i feel like he could stick it out longer if someone else was helping him
>susie
how long did sayaka last? two weeks? susie would probably last less than that
>kris
entirely depends on how long susie lasts, maybe keeps it together for a little longer afterwards if he has a good enough reason to

>>721117791
>Yes.
Is it?


>The Autistic.
Is it really autistic? Autism is a spectrum that can't be diagnosed through text online.

>.
.

>"Very Real" Conversation


I think it's

real.

>>721117791
I think it's just two autistic dudes and not AI.

>>721117909
>susie would probably last less than that
I feel that would be Noelle, honestly. Susie is more like Kyouko insofar that she would last until she actually starts caring about people again.

>at least a month, i feel like he could stick it out longer if someone else was helping him
I feel he's disqualified by default due to being a guy but I'm sure Kyubey would make a exception.

>maybe keeps it together for a little longer afterwards if he has a good enough reason to
I think she'll keep it together just long enough to try to enact some kind of venegeance on kyubey.

>>721118009
It's clearly one faggot

>>721118016
WHY DO I KEEP SEEING "INSOFAR" EVERYWHERE
I am getting fucking Baader Meinhof'd

>>721117194
>People can move trees.
How often do people go around moving the big trees in the forests?
>It's not about approval, it's about interaction.
Ok, then how does that stand against my point. You don't have to be this ever changing thing drifting in the wind without roots to have human interaction.
>Then what are you even complaining about?
I'm complaining about stories getting on their soapbox to pretentiously preach the tired "you have to move on" message for the millionth time. Yes, sometimes you do have to move on, but not always.
> In fact, by trying to pretend you can do something about mortality you are betraying your own mortality
When did I deny my own mortality?
>Sociopaths and serial killers? Or children? Either way, not a good look.

I meant people who are content with their station in life and who want things to remain as they are. The people who aren't constantly trying to climb the ladder, remake themselves, or remake the world.
>, if they are fine being alone their entire life more power to them
You don't have to be alone to stay home. There are plenty of people in your home town to socialize with.
> that's stuborness.
Stubbornness is just the negative form of integrity. They're the same thing.
>If somebody denies reality,
Which I've literally never been talking about. I've been talking about people who refuse to change or strongly resist change. Those are not the same thing.

>>721116151
kek

>>721082697
>I mean, either he dies or he is basically forced to exist as little more than a voice in Kris's head. Not good either way.
What if it's like a Captain Ginyu situation and Ralsei ends up in Kris's body?

>I think Mario is dumb and stinky
>That's stupid to say, it's like saying water isn't wet
>[5000 post reply chain about the physics of water and how water can or can't be defined as wet]

>>721118332
>Ha ha guys what a totally wacky autistic conversation that's happening
>It's VERY normal and not weird at all
The wacky autistic conversation is about that mystery goat nigga.

>>721118129
With a big truck.

>Ok, then how does that stand against my point.
What is your point?

>I'm complaining about stories getting on their soapbox to pretentiously preach the tired "you have to move on" message for the millionth time.
Clearly it needs to be repeated if people like you don't get it.

>When did I deny my own mortality?
You seem to struggle with it considering how much you are fighting against it.

>I meant people who are content with their station in life and who want things to remain as they are.
That's a very big list of people that include, say, the 1%.

>There are plenty of people in your home town to socialize with.
Until they too move on and leave you behind.

>Stubbornness is just the negative form of integrity. They're the same thing.
You do realize what a negative is, right? Stupidity is the negative form of inteligence.

>Which I've literally never been talking about.
Yet you have been doing it consisently.

>'ve been talking about people who refuse to change or strongly resist change.
And as I've stated, the former are foolish but that's up to them. The latter are typical delusional.

>>721118332
I love 4chan.

>>721118507
toby is trying to sweep the fact he based ralsei off a dead kid
he knows we're getting close

>>721118274
>What if it's like a Captain Ginyu situation and Ralsei ends up in Kris's body?
I feel Ralsei would honestly be pretty happy about that.

Until he learns about biological processes, anyhow.

>>721118274
Friend Inside Me

>>721048048
the sun, hope you're excited for the eclipse scene