Thread 722872595

>fascism le bad
Holy reddit

>>722872595 (OP)
fascism is good thougheverbeit

good thing it's managed democracy and not fascism

fascism is fun when it's just satire in a fictional media. But it goes over retardit heads and they demand it gets canceled.

>>722872595 (OP)
But at no point do they actually say that. They imply the super earth government is tyrannical and heavily censors the truth. But the cities are clean, the citizens are happy and the quality of life seems very very high. Everyone seems super motivated too. Your enemies in the game are also blatantly evil and terrifying.

>>722873385
Someone’s lacking media literacy.

>>722873385
>blatantly
apparently*

Anyway, its just nature. You cannot have without taking. In order for there to be people living in heaven there must be people living in hell

>>722873480
Chainsaw arm killbots dont seem evil to you? You're the reason we have so many shitskins in white countries...

Fascism is cucked, monarchy is based. And of course I should be the king

>>722873465
Go back

Why is the fascist totalitarian state pro-race mixing, pro-feminism, pro-disabled inclusion and pro-equal opportunity?

>>722872595 (OP)
go back

>>722872595 (OP)
Super Earth is democratic
Bugs are fascists
Clankers are communists

fascim IS bad though, chud. and your orange hitler is on the wrong side of history

Why do 4trancels love to pretend fascisim is le heckin based when they would be culled immediately?

>>722873906
>Clankers
way to spill your reddit, fuck off you starwars manchild

>>722874316
Why would anon be?

Super earth is the only thing keeping humanity alive

>>722874430
Why are you so upset, faggot?

>>722872595 (OP)
where does it say fascism is le bad?

>>722874662
i bet you wish i was a faggot, gay boy. why else bring it up lmao
go back to red dit onions

>>722872595 (OP)
>killing 80 million white people and then acking yourself in a bunker le bad
Well, it does seem kinda bad. And the collective trauma eventually led the West into the leftist slippery slope.

>>722872595 (OP)
bugs bad
bots bad
squids bad
humans good
super earth good
simple as

>>722873480
>i believe what they believe so im smart
Ok retard. All conflict in the world arises from wanting what you don't need. Only an assclown disagrees.

>>722873696
Because the uniforms are unisex and face-obscuring. It literally does not matter whether someone is male or female, black or white, so long as they point their weapon at the enemy and pull the trigger until they die.

>>722874628
It's also the thing putting humanity into peril. They kept the bugs in breeding facilities to harvest Element-710 until they broke out and formed a new swarm, and the automatons are attacking to try and free the cyborgs from the work camps they're being kept in. The only faction that wasn't effectively drawn into the conflict by Super Earth's actions is the Illuminate, but considering they were nearly annihilated in the last war despite offering an alliance simply so Super Earth could steal their nanite technology, it's perhaps understandable that they hold a grudge.

>>722874430
you rn

>>722875258
>It does not matter
>male or female
>black or white
But anon, that's not fascist
That's the good guys

>>722875671
?

>>722874762
>i bet you wish i was a faggot
You definitely are, on top of being a spastic retard

>>722872595 (OP)
But a slower more peaceful humanity would have been annihilated by the Illuminate in HD1.

>>722875850
why do you keep hitting on me, silly gay boy :3

>>722873385
Not even Super Earth is safe from the blowback of its own tyrannical sins

>>722872595 (OP)
>Fascism eliminates deadly enemies of all humanity
What did they mean by this?

>>722875238
Greed is a fundamental part of humanity for better of for worse.

>>722876091
>of
or

>>722873570
>The person who doesn't look like me is holding a knife!
>He's running right towards me!
>I'm going to make a new friend!
>I bet he's a chef like Gordon Ramsey!
You know, this makes a lot more sense why the UK looks the way it does.

>>722875091
All those mental gymnastics to avoid the incontrovertible fact that Hitler was correct.

>>722876428
We learned from the US

Remember, ONLY fascist countries have used propaganda posters to push their national cause no communist countries have EVER used them, and all of these are NOT from communist north Vietnam during the war! Not one single piece of satire featured in Helldivers 2 has any basis in real life communism at all!!!!!

>>722872595 (OP)
That's literally not the point of the game though because the enemies humanity faces are genuinely horrible. It has a lot more in common with 40K in that it's a totalitarian dystopia, because every alternative is worse.

>>722878975
Yeah, but unlike in 40k, it's mostly humanity's fault. The bugs were kept on farms until they bred out of control, the bots are trying to rescue their masters who were enslaved, and the squids genuinely wanted to be friends until Super Earth nearly killed them all to steal their technology. Meanwhile in 40k, eldar are liars who birthed a chaos god from sheer degeneracy, orks are a sapient fungal infection that lives to kill, chaos are psychopaths beyond the furthest edge of madness, necrons are the robotic slaves of soul-devouring star gods, tyranids are an endless swarm determined to consume the galaxy, and tau are communists.

>>722879402
>it's mostly humanity's fault.
I see you have fallen for our enemies' tricks. 6 months in a re-education camp should cure you. Good luck, citizen.
>and tau are communists.
kek

>>722879402
Well the problem with the Squids is they made the mistake that should be pointed out in any story that wants to push the Prime Directive idea where you don't involve yourself in a society that isn't "uplifted" enough. They held off on meeting humanity BEFORE it nearly did a nuclear holocaust to itself and lead to the creation of the one world government of Super Earth. And when they finally extended their olive branch of peace, Super Earth was only interested in expanding and improving its technology.

>>722874568
Something something le master race and uhm this book written by a Jew gave me that talking point

>>722876719
Did you? Because if you are doing the same thing but even worse I think you didn't learn anything at all.

>>722875534
The bugs are a necessary evil in that they prevent a resource crisis. The automatons want to exterminate humanity and the illuminate we’re just waiting for an opportunity to attack both back then and now

>>722875862
The Illuminate were fishing for an alliance before Super-Earth accused them of hoarding WMDs and attacked.

>>722874316
In reality the only people supposedly culled under facism were jews (who are also ethnofacists).

>>722884170
Are we pretending that "undesirables" were not culled and there wasn't a push for a "genetically pure" master race?

>>722884356
Sure if you're solely using WW2 era Germany as an example of fascism.

>>722873385
Have you actually paid attention to the background details? Also, the enemy factions are literally all Super Earth's own damn fault.
The Bugs were bred on farms as a fuel source and were deliberately mutated into larger (and more dangerous) forms in an effort to boost production.
The Bots are the 'children' of the Cyborgs from the first war, who were getting along just fine before Super Earth got shitty at them for daring to be communist. They were genuinely minding their own business. The clankers are essentially automated vengeance, only able to feel rage and hatred.
The Squids USED to be peaceful and philosophical people, but Super Earth wanted their superior tech (especially their warp drives) so they declared that they had vague weapons of mass destruction and went to war with them. The Illuminate that have returned since then are essentially the Squid equivalent of nazis, an aberration that has taken power because of their grievances with Super Earth and is now taking it out on everyone they can find.

>>722884170
To be fair, Zionist jews are ethnofacists. Orthodox jews tend to be (slightly) more chill.

>>722884631
>They were genuinely minding their own business.
they set off a bomb that killed 8 Super Earth Citizens.

>>722884631
It's basically a WH40K situation. We killed all the nice aliens and now we're wondering why all the aliens still alive are assholes.

>>722884669
Makes little difference when they both view non jews the same way.

>>722884542
Your words were "only people" and yes, Jewish purges tend to be a recurring theme, and ironically just helped create the current Israel ethnostate bullshit.

>>722884710
>believing the propaganda

>>722872595 (OP)
real fascism bad
fake goofy fascism in a video game good

>>722884898
I'm sure the guys who strap metal to dogs and send them to charge headfirst into squads of helldivers are actually upstanding pacifists who really just want to be left alone and don't hold any ill will towards Super Earth.

>>722885018
They might well have been, before Super Earth ostracized them to hell and back and basically forced them to radicalize because the only alternative was cucking out to SE.

>>722884720
Humanity only really turned into what the Imperium is today after A.) the Cybernetic Revolt ended the Age of Technology, and B.) the Horus Heresy trapped the Emperor in a state of almost-death, allowing the High Lords of Terra to degenerate into the horror that the Chaos gods used to trick Horus into rebelling.

>>722884631
The bugs and robots are understandable but the squids are literally just salty losers. They deserve to bite the curb

>>722872595 (OP)
ITS
NOT
FUCKING
FACISM

Its a fucking authoritarianism or totalitarianism with not enough information to tell which one. But Fascism requires a fucking dictator at minimum and some concept of racial purity which HD2 does not fucking have. In fact the Swedes amusingly cucked themselves on this front because they have a multi-racial unified global population meaning by its very fucking definition it cannot be fascism.

And yes I know the devs said its supposed to be facism well they got it fucking wrong. There is no space hitler or human racism so its cant fucking be facism.

>>722885072
Super Earth didn't force them to weaponize dogs. Super Earth didn't force them to turn themselves into metal abominations nearly devoid of any humanity. They did that to themselves.

Fascism>>>(((democracy)))

>>722884710
>>722885018
Cybers are humans who wanted to experiment with genetic modifications, mostly from the mining colonies, who rebelled. That's why their weapons are all weird and industrial like chainsaws, they're working tools and mining lasers.

And yes as per HD1 they're largely innocent. They just didn't want to be ruled by Super Earth as they're an outer colony.

I've nicknamed the wasp to 'the slapper'. This thing just slaps overseers into the sky

>>722885173
based
democrats and commies both get the rope
authoritarian imperialism is the only valid human government

>>722884897
My whole point was that the whole ethnic purity angle that people use to describe fascism is misplaced.

>>722885102
Yes, but even before then the Imperium ran under a massively xenophobic philosophy that killed off every alien civilisation they could find. Even the Tau, at the time a mere stone age society, were slated for destruction in M30 before Warp conditions saved their asses.

>>722874568
>>722884170
>>722880924
They killed the retarded, so the average /pol/ack is 100% on the chopping block.

>>722885138
Facism doesn't necessarily include racial supremacist ideology, even though the two frequently coincide. So long as there's a centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, subordination of individuality for the good of the state, and strong regimentation of society and the economy, it should qualify.

>>722875238
>All conflict in the world
Did you mean to say all human conflict? Even with that qualifier there have been battles over the bare essentials too. So that is simply a false statement.

>>722885369
It's pretty handy for clearing medium-class infantry from kloms away. Shame it mostly fires duds in urban environs.

>>722884170
Yeah retarded people should be culled. Yourself obviously included
>hehe but le /pol/ is le dum xD don't u know ur gunna genocide urselves because a jew told me so!1!
Very compelling. Face the wall now

>literal, unironic no u
>replying to the wrong post
The absolute fucking state.

>>722873480
have you seen their casualty rate? their war strategy is basically a never ending banzai charge, the people "living" in hell are the people fighting for the survival of their race while the people living in super earth live comfortably, because if you make it past all that death and become a veteran, they want you to breed an keep raising fighters

>>722884631
>one game out of a trillion where we don't have to play as the resistance
>redditors have to try and make it theirs with walls of text and media literacy
can you all just fucking shut up

>>722884720
>nice aliens
The aliens were all trying to kill or enslave humanity with very few exceptions. There were at least 4 kinds of aliens that turned people into psychicly enslaved meat puppets as well as part of the whole reason the age of strife was so bad was all the aliens turning on humanity at it’s weakest. The xenos had it coming

>>722875238
sure, now define what you dont need. go ahead, I got all night

>>722884824
I won't deny the smug-ass "you know it's supposed to be satire, right" campaign that stained the internet for a while, but the wars of Helldivers 2 are canonically self-inflicted.

>>722886260
It’s funny how they never shut up about media literacy and then go and praise characters like gi robot and say we need him irl

>>722873570
more evil than orbital space lasers? you are high on copium

>>722884631
>bugs
Were invading prior to being put on farms
>cyborgs
Were going to war with super earth to try and conquer it
>squids
Were trying to subvert super earth through mind control

>>722885664
No. All you described is authoritarianism. Racism and a figure head is the key requirement for fascism.

>>722886256
>have you seen their casualty rate
1:300 on average with foot-infantry and artillery support versus full combined arms in defensive positions.

Well okay, it doesn't go as good for SEAF, but SEAFchan can and does kill multiple bug warriors if given a decent firing position. They ain't having it too bad.

>>722872595 (OP)
you know who else killed space bugs?

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hitler.

>>722886703
No it fucking doesn't, fucking facism as a concept was created by the fucking Italians, it was nationalism not racism that was a driving force behind it.

>>722886597
Isn't GI Robot supposed to be an allegory of war veterans abandoned by their government, left to act on their "programming" long after the threat that mandated it has vanished?

>>722886703
Define racism.

>>722886703
>Racism and a figure head is the key requirement for fascism

Says who? Franco was a fascist and there was no ethnic persecution under him.

>>722885627
That was in m36 retard and considering what they would become the imperium was right to have done so

>>722886814
Hirohito was the one fighting China

>>722886549
Ngl, I really like it when a story's conflict turns out to be self-inflicted, either completely or to some degree.

>>722886837
Mussolini himself stated that the German would end up ruining what the Italians had created.

>>722884631
This is very jewish rooted
>you started the transgressions goy now face the wall without putting a fight
Super earth is le evil so now what? every citizen just takes a knee as they get exterminated?
Appealing to morality only works if theres intent on peaceful solution, and the helldivers aren't sent out to kill diplomats

>>722886928
>Franco
Was not a facist.

>>722886837
>>722886896
>Racist deniers trying to understand facism
Every single Fascist government was racist. Its a fundamental requirement to be defined as Fascist. Everything you're thinking is authoritarianism or totalitarianism.

Its ok I know you're American and your education system failed you. Leave the political debates to people who don't think all political systems are fascist vs non-fascist.

>>722887264
Mussolini was a useless jobber who harmed hitlers cause more than he helped. If not for him the soviets would have been defeated rather than Germany getting dragged into fighting Greece Yugoslavia and in north africa

>>722873385
>But the cities are clean, the citizens are happy and the quality of life seems very very high.
Falling for tongue in check propaganda in a video game is hilarious.

>>722887346
>Was not a facist

Says who?

>>722872595 (OP)
Can anyone please define fascism and why it's bad?

>>722887346
>the education system failed you!
>dont mind the fact I get all my opinions from grifters!

>>722887413
Contemporary and modern analysis of Franco.

>>722887430
I get it from history and studying. You get it from your whittle baby feelings. We are not the same.

>>722872595 (OP)
Well, it IS bad.

>>722887464
you get off on making other peoples eyes roll

>>722886796
>1:300 on average with foot-infantry and artillery support versus full combined arms in defensive positions.
but thats an ideal escenario AND by the speed the bugs reproduce, it could be assumes that for every SEAF and hell diver, there are thousands of bugs ready to continue the assault. i say this because i imagine the bug's plot borrows a lot from starship troopers, and in that series humanity is totally fucked and is barely managing to scrap by, of course, super earth is doing a bit better because they have actually managed to defeat the bugs before so is not a 1:1 comparison

>>722887426
A political system is as strong as its weakest link. The problem with all political systems that are based around absolute power in a collective or individual is inevitably the wrong people get in power then fuck everything up.

Its why democracy for all its flaws works, no one stays in power long enough to complete destroy the democratic system, and there are checks and balances to stop them damaging democracy itself.

>>722887621
Yeah yeah and you don't get invited out because you're alienated from everyone and everything thinking you're a poor little victim. Grow up, the world isn't out to get you.

>>722887346
Every single government in history has been racist.

>>722887464
>Contemporary and modern analysis of Franco

An example being?

>>722887757
>Every single government in history has been racist.
Not even remotely true, nearly all western nations are not fundamentally racist. Another great example is Singapore which is a completely different political system but also fundamentally built on equality and strong socialism.

>>722887771
You need to learn how to educate yourself rather than rely on spoon feeding

>>722887771
Why white people are evil by dr shekelstein

>>722887835
yeah, national socialist... uh oh...

Fascism is cool and if you choose an alien race over the human race you're a traitor and deserve death. Sorry, I don't make the rules.

Helldivers is obviously satire, as was Starship Troopers. But do you know what I do with satire? I'm embrace it. I absorb it and roleplay into it. My brothers and I make fascist jokes and suggestions. Because I'd rather live in a white supremacy nation of only the best surviving, than this decayed "democracy" full of weaklings walking around with the signs of their enemies whom stab them on fucking buses from behind. I would die for a white version of Super Earth than live for a kike.

Shut up and play the game, faggots.

I don't even think there's such a thing as fascism in the helldiver world, sounds like some clanker propaganda. There's only Liberty, Democracy, and those that resist their call.

>>722887891
You don't even know what those words mean.

>>722884631
>book (which no-one read) is a satire on american imperialism
>film (which some people watched) is an awkward copy of the book
>game 1 (which no-one played) is an awkward copy of the film but with more successful (and at this point, tired and unoriginal) satire of American imperialism in the middle east (just ignore that the WMD nation is a superior race and also they weren't that fun to fight)
>game 2 (which everyone played) struggles to reframe the narrative into modern satire and is 99% headcanon with a cancerous core audience
Your post is headcanon, despite being basically true, because we haven't actually been told any of that.

You could say that the bugs rampaging is Big Oil's attempt to destroy independent bug farmers, that bots are actually made in government factories using human brains as their CPUs as a phoney war to rearm for the real goal of attacking the Squids... somehow... and you'd be as right as you are right now because literally nothing you said is factual but vaguely nodded towards as "It might be true" because the writers' tactic is to not write anything down... which ironically is how politics works: vague beliefs about facts that aren't, emboldened when one of your contradictory ideas is said to be true, no matter how small.

>>722887894
*Xenophobia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1CQ7Vwz8Eo

>>722887860
You made the claim not me.

>>722885979
way to fucking humiliate yourself kek

>>722888019
I thought the book was more or less earnest, and the film was satire?

>>722887960
kek so no comment i guess

>>722888019
>>game 1 (which no-one played) is an awkward copy of the film but with more successful (and at this point, tired and unoriginal) satire of American imperialism in the middle east (just ignore that the WMD nation is a superior race and also they weren't that fun to fight)
stoppped reading there, you are wrong

>>722872595 (OP)
please zoomie.
>George W Bush le bad

>>722888019
>book (which no-one read) is a satire on american imperialism
Heinlein wrote Starship Troopers as a genuine articulation on military citizenship and its advantages in society. Fundamentally that voting was using force on citizens and therefore only people who had seen war (a criticism of political sons who dodged the draft) should have the power to vote as they're the only ones who respect how awful war is. The book even demonizes war as a horrible systematic process that destroys everything including yourself for no gain.

You twats need to actually do some reading sometime. Also, everything he posted was 100% accurate. All Super Earth enemies are self made, they were all peaceful until Super Earth attacked. Its written in the HD1 lore.

>>722888214
Dragged us into 20 years of jew wars for nothing

>>722888028
All I'm saying is if you as a HUMAN hate your own species you're defunct.

>>722885018
Their other enemy types are quite fucked up too.
The satire ended where the game began.

>>722885072
>the gubmint forced me to become a monster!
Which one? Super Earth's or their own?

And yet it makes fascism look good and cool

>>722887464
Meanwhile in an actual contemporary and modern analysis of Franco.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/comparative-studies-in-society-and-history/article/francisco-franco-is-back-the-contested-reemergence-of-a-fascist-moral-exemplar/452306F0AD217C008DE120FB5910BF31

>>722887724
you're projecting again anon. slow down, take a breath. Try to speak like you are talking to adults, you will get better results than this little bitchfit youre throwing

>>722888493
>posting one source
Yeah that isn't how this works in real life. Nice try though.

>>722887835
Western nations are actively racist against indigenous Europeans and every single one has policies that favour certain racial groups over others. Singapore's constitution is literally built on racism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_in_Singapore
>The Government shall exercise its functions in such manner as to recognise the special position of the Malays, who are the indigenous people of Singapore, and accordingly it shall be the responsibility of the Government to protect, safeguard, support, foster and promote their political, educational, religious, economic, social and cultural interests and the Malay language.
If a European country had this in their constitution or equivalent regarding their respective indigenous European group, it would be deemed racist.

>>722888579
More than what you posted.

>>722888510
>Trying to copy my writing style to save face
Imitation is the highest form of flattery. You conceded when you started using ad hominems and had no counter point.

Not that you could anyway. Facism requires racism and a figure head. Helldivers does not have either. Conversation over kiddo.

>>722888635
See >>722888579

>>722888214
The Patriot Act is a bad thing, yes

>>722888368
f there is one thing that fascism has consistently landed throughout human history, it's drip.

game is fun
anyone who cares about Starship Troopers-esque human tomfoolery is a pseud
everything is tongue-in-cheek

>>722888628
>All persons are equal before the law and entitled to the equal protection of the law.
Anyway, maybe read the rest any time kiddo.

This game could have been so good if its game developers weren't literal fucking retards in charge of game optimization, balance and overall direction. Its just such a complete and utter fuckup and fumble of a good foundation for a video game

>>722888717
That was more-or-less the response to the "you know it's satire, right" campaign. "We know, it's fucking fun."

>>722888628
>Western nations are actively racist against indigenous Europeans
Wrong
>every single one has policies that favour certain racial groups over others.
Name LITERALLY one law in power right now that does this

>>722885102
So is it accurate to say that the people keeping the corpse emperor alive are the bad guys because if they allowed him to actually die he'd regenerate to full power since he'sa perpetual?

>>722888628
>Western nations are racist
>Im an impoverished white boy who can't get laid so I try to use racism to pretend im superior the post
This is your brain on /pol/

>>722872595 (OP)
Anythin tbat enables the government to encroach in your life, limit your freedom and trample your rights is bad, I couldn't care less if the tyrant is taking their cues from Marx or Mussolini.

>>722888739
But some are more equal than others right? :)

>"Grunt fantasy has more than one royal family"
>Smoke bellows from the tunnel
>Alexus wearing a malverion's creek cape emerges from the depths on his elevator
>$50,000 worth of pyro goes off
>Joel, SEAF Male 3, Eagle 1, his guard dog, Diamond Dallas Page, and the ghost of the rupture strain emerge from the elevator to accompany Alexus to the hellpod
>He walks slowly and deliberately mugging to the camera
>Before he enters the ring he shakes SEAF 3, DDP, Joel, and Rupture strain's hands
>Each of them whisper advice in his ear
>He needs all of the help he can get before his big D3 mission on Seyshel Beach
>He pets Rover on the head
>He kisses Eagle 1 on the lips
>He ascends the stairs just in time
>He wipes his feet before stepping foot onto the hellpod
>WOAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>He mugs to the camera just in time
>Coretta Kelly reads his introduction; the swigger, from undesirable to undesirable, dashing, the prince of dark matter, the killer of Hello Neighbor 2, THE BRINGER OF BALANCE ALEXUS KRAVCHENKO!
>Second burst of $50,000 pyro goes off
>Alexus removes his anime cape
>He takes off his nerf hammer and finds the perfect little Alexus-maniac to give it to
>He returns to the hellpod, bows, and kisses it
>Proceeds to release a 90% dogshit warbond where the one useful item was never in doubt
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAH

>>722888661
see>>722888635

>>722888790
Absolutely. The High Lords of Terra and Ecclesiarchy are the worst elements of the Imperium, and have actively transformed it into the rotted shitshow that it is now. Guilliman showing up and asking "what the actual fuck are you guys doing" is probably the healthiest thing to happen to the Imperium in millennia.

>>722886256
>they want you to breed an keep raising fighters
This is actually one of the confusing parts of HD2.
One of the news reports said fertility rate is worse(?) than IRL and there are conception forms, making it harder to have children.

This is not fascist and is unexplained how this actually integrates into the game's world building.

>>722874430
>way to spill your reddit, fuck off you starwars manchild

>>722872595 (OP)
Yeah it's called edit your own game/movie in your head and your just playing the GIGA BASED version of Star Ship Troppers staring Nazi who Played Yahtzee Who Cannot Die and other actor, maybe girl, maybe anime IF I CAN FUCKING FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUCKING SET UP A SECONDARY DRIVE ON STEAM FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!!

Point is... Memes cut both ways <3

(huge fan uwu)

>>722888776
>Name LITERALLY one law in power right now that does this
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/11/2/2
>This section permits an employer to take a protected characteristic into consideration when deciding whom to recruit or promote, where people having the protected characteristic are at a disadvantage or are under-represented.
Treating one race differently to another is objectively racist.

>>722874762
>onions
>he's actually a redditor

I still can't believe they fucked up their game's optimization because of AI adjustments and still haven't rolled it back to this day, what kind of fucking mental retardation is necessary to think that it would be a good idea to fuck up your game like that

>>722889098
Conception canonically receives government oversight (which undoubtedly makes it harder), but at least one end-of-campaign event declared that conception applications have been approved en masse, so clearly the government is willing to up breeding numbers to fulfill recruitment quotas.

>>722889210
To be fair, it's a comparatively tiny studio working on a project of vastly grander scale than they're used to. Even when they were working on Magicka, the initial release was so buggy they released an extra skin purely as an apology.

>>722889381
I get that but why the fuck haven't they rolled it back? that's the issue with them, they're so inconsistent and have such retarded opinions sometimes that I can't tell if its out of stubborness or incompetence as game developers that get them in holes like the one they're in right now when it comes to the game's state. Also
>They made Magicka
They're the ones that fucking took Magicka wizard wars away from me? now I hate them even more

>>722888996
I like both actually

>>722888790
No, the failed warp gate under the Golden Throne would erupt the moment Emps dies or is removed, basically creating the Eye of Terra, absorbing his body, and birthing a fifth Chaos God.

>>722887426
Thing I don't like.
>why it's bad?
Because I said so.

20th century Germany and Italy
20th century Portugal and Spain
Not Japan, never Japan, they make TVs, DVD players and anime, how could they be evil, wage biological warfare, suicide bomb or anything?
20th and 21st century America, in fact 19th, 18th and every America ever, god I wish those evil people would all die
The British Empire and post-Empire Britain, god I wish Nazi Germany won, Britain waz the reel Nazees
21st century China, unless I like China because I hate America
Not the Soviets, not India, not Yugoslavia, not the Maori, not the Zulus, not any African slaver nation, not Iran, not Saudi Arabia
Only people I don't like, which incidentally I've been told to not like

>>722888790
No because then warp travel would become impossible because he is the beacon that guides.
To be fair the entire point of 40k is humanity is caught in a death grapple with the old ways and unable to give them up even though it's slowly devouring their society. It's like the UK.

>>722884631
The "background details" are obvious. The game's problem is that it's hamfisted and blames ordinary citizens for their government's actions a century ago. Imagine if the former Allies decided to kill every single modern day German for what Germany did over 80 years ago.

You know the interesting thing about fascism? It always comes in the form of socialism. Once they get into power socialism is rug pulled and you're now living in an authoritarian state. Funny thing that is.

>>722885182
Ah yes, the poor defenseless farmers have mecha better than the big bad humans and kill humans and display them on hooks and are constantly attacking inwards towards earth. Yes, very defensive. Guess Russia are the good guys too huh?

>>722890009
>The Nazis were socialist!
And North Korea is democratic, right?

>>722890071
Based Centrist Chads rise up!!!

>>722890150
Ew, no.

>>722890134
Yes and no, Hitler promoted socialism heavily before he become the Fuhrer which is how he got the woman vote and men followed suite. Once he became Fuhrer NSDAP seized all forms of private enterprise and turned Germany into an authoritarian hellhole.

>>722890150
really makes you think.

>>722890150
Nothing chad about being the side that always loses.

>>722890251
No he didn't. He opposed socialism. The Nazis actually began privatising the German government's assets by selling or giving them to their lackeys.

>>722890321
All of those are completely correct, apart from lib-right.

>>722889750
chaos gods aren't birthed out of nothing, they need trillions of minds committing a sin or a vice to even begin forming. if anything he'd become a new being probably a Law God or something, the antithesis of the chaos gods

I like it when /pol/ remembers that the vast majority of people think that killing people is wrong and dictatorships are bad.
How sheltered do you have to be to actually think your niche, fringe political views are normal?

>>722890301
A lot of people seem to miss the "national" part of National Socialism, and completely ignore the fact that it was actively competing with Communism.

>>722888019
Helldivers would be a tired satire of American imperialism in the middle East if they weren't still over there pulling the same old shit they they were pulling back in the early 2000s. It wasn't even a year ago they regime changed Syria and installed a bunch of head chopping ex-Al Qaeda psychopaths as the new leadership. And this is putting aside what the Jews have been getting up to for the past couple of years as well.

>>722890476
What are you talking about, schizo?

I have two questions:

Is the comment the ship lady makes about the illuminate needing war to survive supposed to be ironic? Like, the super earth government was facing a potentially immanent threat of both internal rebellion and overall societal decay before the second war broke out?

Why does the democracy officer look at me like that? It makes me really uncomfortable and I don’t much like it.

>>722890321
its only centrist because liberals put themselves in the center

>>722890301
After he took power you fucking luddite. Also listen or read on what he preached. You could literally take a lot of speeches play it at a socialist rally and they'd all be cheering.

>>722890251
>authoritarian hellhole
Germany under Hitler's rule better 1933 and 1939 was infinitely better than any modern Western country and it's not even close. I can't even imagine living in a Western country that is led by a government that isn't actively hostile against its own people.

>noooo but I couldn't prance about naked in front of children WHAT AN ABSOLUTE HELLHOLE NIGHTMARE

>>722890567
>Facing a thread of internal rebellion
No, Super Earth does just straight up have rebellions constantly. There's a reason their crowd control weapons are made for killing very large amounts of people. I'm pretty sure the first Helldivers mission in lore was deploying them to kill political opponents.
A lot of people don't actually like living under Super Earths government, and it's hinted constantly.
If we weren't fighting the three factions, you'd be slaughtering dissenters and protestors.

>>722873465
Sounds better than whay we have now irl

>>722890589
No, his ideology and what he wrote was always the same, not a rug pull. Mein Kampf was written in 1925. If you want an actual communist dictatorship, look at Stalin or Mao.

>>722890567
Maybe? Half the stuff out of the mouths of Super Earth reps is pure projection. Then again, the crippling losses the Illuminate incurred in the first war probably forces them to depend heavily on the Voteless for overwhelming planetary defenses.

>>722890594
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl
>Be a young German girl
>Catholic
>Disagree and think that maybe murder is bad
>Get executed by the state
Being a government non-hostile against the people is when you execute peaceful civilians. The more young women you murder the more peaceful towards your people you are.
It's not very hard to find quite a few examples of unnecessary brutality towards German citizens.

>>722890594
>Germany under Hitler's rule better 1933 and 1939 was infinitely better
You wouldn't be able to post on 4chan, play video games, or own porn under Hitler so you're dead now dumb ass.

>>722890574
if every side hates you then you're probably near the center.

>>722890729
You're wrong and stupid socialism will never work it always leads to authoritarianism. I'm a Jew so I know what the fuck I'm talking about. So shut the fuck up and sit the fuck back and learn.

>>722890594
>Germany under Hitler's rule better 1933 and 1939 was infinitely better than any modern Western country and it's not even close
Even the US today doesn't execute people who say the government is bad. And you're so fucking stupid you actually want that. Kill yourself and save the rest of us from your idiocy.

>>722890594
The only good thing that the Nazis did was continuing the Weimar Republic's construction of the Autobahn. Other than that, they were devoting all of Germany's economy, resources, industry, etc. to building up for an unwinnable war against the entire world.

>>722888084
I agree, you should really stop that.

>>722890827
>stupid socialism will never work
>Looks at Australia
>Looks at New Zealand
>Looks at China
>Looks at Singapore
>Looks at France
>Looks at Denmark
>Looks at Norway
Anyway nice attempt at a false flag here is your reply

>>722890819
any side can say that.

>>722890827
>socialism will never work it always leads to authoritarianism.
I'm not denying that. I'm saying that the Nazis weren't socialist. I explicitly referred to Stalin and Mao, retard.

>>722890875
Claims that they managed to rebuild Germany's economy tend to ignore the fact that they did so by ignoring the legal reparations demanded by the Allies and later by annexing territories under the nose of governments too afraid to declare another war after the Great one. Neville Chamberlain was their guardian angel until he eventually realized he was being rooked when they invaded Poland.

>>722875757
I don't think ethnic purity is intrinsic quality for fascism when it can be us humans as a whole against them aliens/bugs/bots.

>>722890915
>social democracy =/= socialism
>>722890947
What I am stating is the Nazis the NSDAP promoted socialism heavily in order to get into power. Once in power the socialism flew out the window. Kinda like how Trump said he would release the Epstein files and once he got elected it became "eeerm the what files?"

>>722890476
>vast majority of people think that killing people is wrong and dictatorships are bad

Normal people don't care about any of that if they did they would be actively overthrowing the US government considering how much death dealing they've done globally through the funding and arming of paramilitary groups/terrorist and political and economic destabilization.

>>722890915
>all getting replaced and losing population
lol

>>722872595 (OP)
>fascist
>respects men and women of all races equally
?????????

>/v/ helldiver threads are just /pol/slop
>/vg/ helldiver threads are literal racewars where if you don't favor one enemy faction you're a nigger and will make enemies with every other anon who favor other enemy factions
why is /v/ so gay

>>722888214
There hasn't been a good president since fucking Andrew Jackson. Prove me wrong.

>>722891042
Socialism is socialism all those countries practice it. Sorry you lose faggot.

>>722891051
>Looks at the United States
>Looks at Philippines
>Looks at Nigeria
>Looks at Egypt
>looks at Tunisia
>looks at Japan
>looks at Korea
Yeah so turns out removing all rights of your citizens and radical isolationism also doesn't work.

>>722890456
Even so, that's still in opposition to the Emperor's original goal of creating an enlightened humanity free of any superstition that might feed the chaos gods. At this point, the Imperium's best hope is the return of the rest of the loyalist primarchs, and even then, they need to reclaim roughly half the Imperium after it was cut off.

>>722890915
All of those apart from maybe China are literally capitalist countries.
Australia's economy is a mess. They burn fossil fuels and biomass and have some of the most expensive bills in the world while exporting uranium and banning nuclear power.
New Zealand is an irrelevant backwater.
China is a totalitarian hellhole that just makes crap for the rest of the world.
Singapore is a tax haven with crap infrastructure.
France is France.
Denmark's economy is in a bad state because they rely on solar, wind, and biomass, so their energy is expensive, and are trying to fix this by becoming increasingly neoliberal.
Norway uses its oil and hydroelectricity resources to fuel its energy-intensive heavy industry. It's just a capitalist country with nationalised infrastructure and significant social services.

>>722890990
Neville Chamberlain could definitely have done more to stop the Nazis, but he was still rearming the UK to prepare for a war that he knew was coming. The British public just didn't have the appetite for another world war after WW1.

>>722891151
rights are not real lmao

>>722891042
>the Nazis the NSDAP promoted socialism heavily in order to get into power.
No, they opposed socialism long before they got anywhere near power. Main Kampf was written in 1925.

>Politics discussion by people who have no power
Lol

Lmao

Rofl.

>>722890321
This is what i want to say when people tell me i'm only a centrist so everyone will like me. In actuality it makes everyone hate you.

>>722891164
China is communist only in name, it switched to a mixed economy (albeit one more limited than the United States' own limited capitalist market) after the Great Leap Forward killed millions of its own people for negative economic gain. The only reason it's considered a global power in the current day is because it's aped more successful nations, i.e. mixed economy ones.

>>722891164
>Buzzwords to save face
Sorry, they've all adopted socialist policies you lose

>>722891069
/v/ is a dead tourist board

>>722891337
That's why I said maybe.
Even Mao wanted to meet with FDR to discuss US investment in China before FDR died.

>>722887426
You can't give a precise all encompassing definition because, just like how their are 70 billion different forms of communism each which is own retarded quirks, each fascist movement was slightly different. But if you had to give a list of general principles:

>might makes right
>consolidation of power
>celebration of political violence
>zero-sum thinking
>conspiratorial thinking
>mythologizing the past

Ultimately, it is an ideology that seeks to address the grievances of its base which are going to vary from place to place.

>>722891164
>Australia's economy is a mess. They burn fossil fuels and biomass and have some of the most expensive bills in the world while exporting uranium and banning nuclear power.
To be fair, Australia's power costs are out of control because of subsidies for (((renewables))). There's a direct correlation with their implementation and energy prices sky-rocketing. Our energy should basically be free given how much coal and gas we have, but alas our socialist overlords know better.

honestly the moral of the story for helldivers is that whatever super earth does, is that it will always come back and fuck them over in the long run

>>722891357
>Socialism is when the government does literally anything

>>722891268
The appeasement policy was Britain's greatest gift to Germany in centuries. Sure, he bit the bullet and accepted that war was inevitable, but his policy leading up to that moment was such a colossal and self-sabotaging waste of time, resources, and life that it's difficult to believe he wasn't being taken for a ride.

>>722889965
They kind of already are

>>722891452
True.

>>722891503
No they aren't.

>>722890567
The illuminates use the war to abduct people and turn them into voteless. Super earth has no rebellion

>>722889965
>Imagine if the former Allies decided to kill every single modern day German for what Germany did over 80 years ago.
What do you think replacement migration is, exactly?

>>722875091
he died in argentina dude
it's an indisputable fact now

>>722891690
>Cause chaos in other countries
>Tell foreigners to come to the west
>"AIEEE WHY ARE FOREIGNERS COMING HERE? W'ERE BEING REPLACED!"

>>722885018
Holy shit, we've been fighting hasan this whole time.

>>722891716
No, he shot himself in Germany. The Russians still have his skull fragments and the UK confirmed that they are real.

>>722891734
>Tell foreigners to come to the west
Who's telling them that, I wonder?
>They deserve it
Just say you hate white people and that they don't deserve a homeland, brownoid.

>>722891095
well good thing the USA will never be socialist and TRANTIFA is going to be dubbed a foreign terrorist organization bye bye socialists~

>>722891784
>Who's telling them that, I wonder?
The same western governments that are causing chaos in other countries.
>They deserve it
Not what I said.
>Just say you hate white people and that they don't deserve a homeland, brownoid.
No I don't.

>>722891889
Nice try moishe

>>722891452
>To be fair, Australia's power costs are out of control because of subsidies for (((renewables)))
That isn't how pricing works, at all.

>>722872595 (OP)
>authoritarianism le bad
Holy reddit

>>722891482
>muh appeasement
Hitler was a total anglophile and mainly wanted to go destroy the soviets. If he was given Danzig(German land up until after ww1) there would not have been a war

>>722891551
What inspires the common man to devote their lives to struggling in filth for the disproportionate benefit of people already secure in their wealth?

>>722891958
Wholesale prices are not retail prices. Overcapacity, storage, and grid upgrades are expensive.

Squids don't pay taxes, so we kill them all

People need to stop criticizing capitalism in capitalist countries.
These "capitalist" countries don't practice REAL capitalism, more like a hybrid abomination mixing capitalism and socialism.

TRUE capitalism has never been tried before.

Reminder that the bolsheviks murdered 60 million white Christian’s

>>722892119
Unironic trvke if we had true capitalism Earth would be a barren wasteland by now.

>>722892021
Well yeah it is

>>722891889
Who do you think you are fooling here, exactly?

>>722892237
Cope. I'm not Jewish.

>>722873465
"Media literacy" is just commie gobbledygook for "AKCHUALLY you're wrong and the author really intended it to be interpreted like my view".

Hilariously ironic, given modern marxists are all about denial of objective truth and blather endlessly about truth being subjective based on every individual's personal experience and perspective.

The same people who whinge about media literacy are the same people autistically screeching about Verhoeven's Starship Troopers obviously condemning fascism. It's not the our fault they suck at writing and end up making the case for their ideologically opposite worldview.

>>722892260
Ok Schlomo, better luck next thread.

>>722890594
Nazi officials had literal tranny concubines. Faggot.

>>722892286
>same people autistically screeching about Verhoeven's Starship Troopers obviously condemning fascism.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Verhoeven isn't a big fan of fascism.

>>722872595 (OP)
The "politics" of Helldivers is so shallow that it's nothing but set dressing for the setting, taking it seriously in any way is retarded

>>722892453
He isn't, he grew up in the German-occupied Netherlands, and felt that the book too strongly endorsed that sort of militarism for his tastes.

>>722892532
>taking it seriously in any way is retarded
Literally built for /v/!

>>722892052
Unironically pussy. In modern day and age we have ultradegenerate porn ans hookera which is why so many guys are jobless.

>>722892196
Capitalism is good. It's still capitalism if corpos are being tardwrangled.

I'm polish and its really funny seeing my fellow zoomies get oneshot by american political discourse on twitter.
There's literally polish commie youthgroups in a nation where 40 years ago the commies were literally stomping people's head into goop and thieving generational wealth.

To me this just proves that politics aren't based on reality or history. It'a literally just a bunch of fake options the Overlords present to you as means of recreation and a way to burn through time.

>>722892286
Admittedly, death of the author has been stretched to such retarded lengths that it's difficult to take seriously these days, but Verhoeven freely admitted that he intended the film to satirize the book's themes. The fact that he still managed to make an entertaining semi-comedic war movie out of it is a testament either to his luck or his abilities as a director.

>>722892709
The entire planet is getting oneshotted by American politics there's niggas in Azerbaijan talking about how much they hate Republicans for being fascists

>>722892551
He has never even read the book lol. He just made a movie about what he had heard about the book.

>>722892869
To be fair, the Republican president was shooting his mouth off claiming that he solved all of their problems and deserves a Nobel prize for it. Unsurprising that they'd think he and the rest of his coterie are a bunch of dickheads.

>>722888776
As the other anon said, the UK has positive action in both spirit and letter of the law
This is different to affirmative action - you can advertise to minorities (non-whites) over the majority and soon to be plurality (white) but you can't choose non-white over white... except in the case anon mentioned... and discrimination against whites isn't enforced whilst the opposite is (for the most part in self-policing or citizens policing other citizens without the involvement of the courts, but the courts and police do enforce non-white privilege when given the choice).

A recent example of this self-policing is the England flag fiasco where a national flag is considered offensive towards non-whites and every establishment agreed this is the case and Britain should be flagless, including the new racist party.

There's also the semi-recent example of an RAF recruiter refusing straight white males for those very protected characteristics and boasting about it. Traditionally in Britain it's supposed to be classism that prevents advancement... so why is it racism in a core national institution if Britain isn't racist?

>>722893234
Azerbaijan is just a random example pick a country with internet on the map and you'll find a surprising amount of them saying the same thing

>>722887860
>makes claim
>gets asked for proof
>"UHHHH LOOK IT UP!!"
holy soi cuck

>>722893234
Ok and why should they care about an old man shitposting

You didn't play Helldivers 1
Fuck off

>>722893508
I did though and super earth was still the good guys

>>722893353
They're hardly the only country he claims to owe him personally. Not long after, he claimed to have stopped a war between Armenia and Cambodia, despite their borders being thousands of miles away.
>>722893381
Because said old man is somehow the leader of the free world.

Super Earth gov isn't fascist but more totalitarian I guess? Either way they aren't in way good since they pretty much caused every single problem in the game. If anything it's just tragic that their entire society is centered around throwing millions upon millions to die in pointless wars constantly.

>>722891889
>the west is behind everything
This is schizophrenic
Do you enjoy immigration?

>>722893381
Becaus the shitposting old man is the President of the United States of America. He is the most powerful person in the most powerful country in the world.

>>722893678
>the west is behind everything
In this case, yes. The west literally armed, funded, and eventually installed ISIS.

>>722893710
>>722893623
He’s not the prime minister of Israel though

>>722893767
The Israelis don't control the USA. US politicians just like taking bribes. The US could turn around and kill every last Israeli tommorow if they wanted.

>>722872595 (OP)
Fascism is bad thougheverbeit

>>722890567
Most of the things the ship lady says are supposed to be ironic for you to laugh at it because you know better

>>722890673
I don't think any of this is true but bug missions have always had decorative terrain pieces spawn that include uniformed humans being firing squadded.
I've never been able to find that bug that learned to use a gun. I hope Super Earth has a plan to stop them when they all start bearing arms.

>>722890915
All capitalist
If it allows billionaires to exist and hog wealth, it's capitalist, and even china allows that

>>722891021
But that is fascism as we understand it today.
White nationalism.

>>722893761
The west is pro-jihad?

>>722894070
the soviet union was capitalist?

>>722894485
You tell me, did it allows capitalists to thrive and hoard capital?

Yeah fascism is bad, underage edgelords don't change that.

>>722894594
you said billionaires
there were people at the top who actually owned things

>>722872595 (OP)
Fascism is against freedom, therefore against me, therefore bad

>>722894715
I thought the state owned everything.

>>722890071
Authoritarian Economic here, with a mix of libertarian because I think black people should not be allowed in the Super Earth government as anything more than a janitor slave.

>>722894974
who are the state?

>>722893651
>pointless
The first wars were instigated by Earth, or rather just one war. The 2nd galactic war is entirely defensive in nature, it isn't pointless.

>>722894335
Al-Jolani
Bin Laden

>>722888126
The book was heinlein genuinely proposing a capitalist liberal republic. The film is Paul Verhoeven skimming the first chapter of the book, thinking it's fascism because he's a libshit retard, and putting propaganda reels and nazi-like uniforms on all the characters while still somehow accidentally portraying the starship troopers society as a capitalist liberal republic. It's a war film focusing on the military so retards think it's a militaristic society. These same retards will then claim to be "media literate" while not actually being actually literate enough to understand what they're seeing

>>722873385
>But the cities are clean, the citizens are happy and the quality of life seems very very high. Everyone seems super motivated too. Your enemies in the game are also blatantly evil and terrifying.
Retarded leftoid activist devs keep depicting 'le fascism' in games and other media as homogeneous high-trust societies with clean streets, low crime, low unemployment and where people can afford housing... Turns out that's not fascism it's just a functioning society, the leftoid's worst nightmare. They want you to look at pic related and wonder where all the brown people are? Why aren't there any drug addicts sleeping in piles of trash? Truly this is a dystopian nightmare.

>>722896846
Most leftists would be failures in good times, it's why they want to drag everyone down.

>>722887264
He died hanged by his own people. He has no right to complain

The issue with "le evil fascist civilization" depictions in games is that real life is so fucking terrible that people would GLADLY take the parts of that society that are objectively worse if it means they get the parts that are better.
All the bad stuff attached to it is overshadowed by how much better the standard of living is

>>722872595 (OP)
we literally live under a managed democracy in America though.

>>722896846
>umm imagine the golden age of america.. but with KRAUTS!!
fuck off yurotard