Thread 723092345

I think its pretty cool when devs bother to give their characters actual birthdays like they did with yeller, did you know it was her birthday just earlier this week?

What are some of your favorite details for devs to actually add to their games?

'roba's beard

>>723092345 (OP)
Happy birthday Roba

>>723092345 (OP)
>What are some of your favorite details for devs to actually add to their games?
loading screen tips

>>723093664
Nowadays the loading screens go by too quickly to even read them. Same with the loading screen mini games like the budokai games did

>>723092345 (OP)
NPCs exchanging dialogue on their own instead of scripted conversations/cutscenes.

>>723093785
when oblivion came out it was really cool that they TRIED to do this. it probably would have actually been cool if they put a bit more effort into the dialogue

>>723092345 (OP)
Reminder that Ceroba is FLAT

>>723092345 (OP)
Reminder that Ceroba has NO TAILS

>>723094000
You know what that means

>>723092345 (OP)
I really like the FUN events. Just little random funny events add a lot to the game. Same goes for giving everything 2 or 3 different lines of dialogue for interacting with it multiple times.

>>723094318
FUN events were honestly what sold me on trying yellow in the first place. its a small little thing but it feels like it makes a big difference in how I see the world.

reminder that ceroba is fat

>>723093749
I liked how atomic heart let you wait to continue even after it loaded

>>723092608
located below her abdomen and between her legs

>>723095096
more games doing that would fix the issue yeah. if things are going to load so fast give me the "x to continue" type of prompt

do people ship dalv and the honeydew shopkeeper i think they could be cute together

>>723095573
I think people tend to forget dalv exists most of the time.

>>723092345 (OP)
I really like how in the Wild East the shopkeepers changed their dialogue after you finish that section. The information you get is pretty interesting.

>>723095573
By "people" you mean me
Literally no one else I've seen does this

>>723095764
honeydew shopkeeper doesn't even have a name beyond "honeydew shopkeeper" right?

>>723095712
shit I think I missed that, one more thing to check when I go back for shades of justice

>>723095101
At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the underground?

Whats got her so down?

>>723096106
no human boyfriend

>>723096106
she failed to live up to her own beliefs when she let clover kill himself and she only realized it like a week later.

>>723095573
I don't think anybody even acknowledges that Dalv exists. Which is a shame given his involvement in the Snowdin incident. Weird how the devs mentioned that they couldn't find a way to put him back in the story. Especially since he is familiar with the Ketsukanes.

>>723095832
It think she was refered as "Bero" either in the game's file or in the concept art book, I can't remember

>>723092345 (OP)
>The birthday is a cool detail
>Furry faggot thread
Let me guess, you like them to have pronunces and females have "distinct" humanoid features, unlike real life where they are barely different from males...

>>723096476
>pronunces
anon I dont see you talking about things you like devs adding to video games. you do like video games right?

>>723096106
>fails her mentor
>fails her job
>fails the person she promised to protect
>fails at any personal growth

She like a character from those Russian novels that despite living through life changing events fails to learn anything from them and just regresses back to square one.

>>723095764
one on hand that's unfortunate to learn on the other hand mmmm dalv and shopkeeper fanart yum

But what if it was all in le head?

>>723096815
>Kanako trapped in a state of constant delirium induced dreams due to being a half-dead molten Amalgamate

>>723096991
t-thanks

>>723096596
Couldnt fail one without failing another, but she managed to beat the odds and do right by none of them. Really only makes any attempt to right her wrongs in geno and neutral... god why is pacifist so unsatisfying

>>723092345 (OP)
>Ceroba's birthday
A literal meme started by Twitter/Reddit because Ceroba was designed on a certain day. The devs don't think about it, neither should you.
Anyways, I don't think it was worth making an entire thread about this. Yesterday's thread was Ceroba focused, but it was subtle enough to get the hint across. Was that not enough?

>>723097157
too much concern with making sure that ending lined up with canon so they had to throw away the logical conclusions of what characters would do in a situation. they weren't bound by that in neutral or genocide so we got to see better angles on their personalities.

>>723097157
if I didn't know any better I'd think it was done on purpose to feed into fanfiction and fanart cope but that would just be crazy hahahah...

>>723097281
>and neither should you
why not. its harmless and character birthdays are an entertaining idea. would you rather see the bird?

>>723094402
More fangames should do fun events

>>723097542
I know some of the dev anons said they had a couple in mind so I'm hopeful there

>>723096476
>you like them to have pronunces
What?

>>723096815
>that look in Roba's eyes
It wasn't a dream, was it?

>>723097281
>The devs don't think about it, neither should you.
Why not?
>Was that not enough?
This was supposed to be yesterday's thread

Reposting this for anyone who didn't get to see it last time. This was for that anon who requested a picture of Wiki last week.

>>723098317
that's good stuff, I still feel silly not getting the name at first

>>723094402
I think the only other games I've ever seen do stuff like this are indie horror games like FNaF and VoTV, which only did them for scares.

>>723098317
Here's Roba doing a kickflip, also a req from last week

>>723098473
its a shame because even the smallest unpredictable variations can make a game feel a lot more "alive"

And here's a Shadowguy chuffing a fat dart, last request I of the bunch

>>723098568
The real question is: why don't games do this more often?

>my request, like dust in the wind
I shall try again next time, glad to see all of these though, no small part of the life in the last 2 weeks threads has been from these

>>723099153
I struggled with that simple battle sprite. I wouldn't have been able to do something dynamic like Zartlet fighting another character.

>>723098972
people don't understand how much "the little things" matter and don't put any effort into them. yeah someones not buying a game for instance just because you gave it a tiny extra detail here or there but first of all those little details add up in changing how people view the whole experience, and secondly if you have the mindset that the little things count, but also dont get stuck on them and can actually push through to the end, its likely going to mean you had a much more quality product by the end.

>>723099287
it is understandable, but still like I said the stuff you posted was a treat

>>723095764
>pic
Cute

>>723092345 (OP)
Oh hey, looks like my edit ended up being used after all.
Neat.

>>723095764
the image is cute but
>fat dalv
it reminds me of "you can SEE the characters!"

In a previous thread the topic of a character gaining LV by being exposed to death and becoming desensitized was brought up, and I said I had a character like that in the works.

this anon >>723082879 asked for more details, but the thread died before I could respond.

Basically, he's been exposed to so much death for so long, so many people he's cared about dying horribly, happening again and again, that's he slowly become desensitized; until eventually he came numb to the world, hollow on the inside like Flowey, yet he still has a soul.

This manifests in him being a barely masked sadistic psychopath, because laughing at misfortune is the only thing that makes him feel anything anymore. As an example, during the genocide route you can kill a friend of his right in front of him, one which is practically attached to him at the hip like Papyrus is to Sans, or Berdly is to Noelle. Yet when you do it, his only reaction is to laugh and make a joke about it.

>>723100567
>"you can SEE the characters!"
What is that?

>>723098556
>>723098687
hell yeah

>>723100641
back in early homestuck hussie would answer fan questions a lot, and people would ask stuff like "is X character fat?" and that was his response until he leaned into it with the shitposting

>>723100573
its very "crawling in my skin" which is fine, but if you don't make it clear what they'd gone through leading up to that I think it could fall flat.

>>723096106
she knows
she knows she let him down

>>723100567
To be fair, visual representations of characters in UT have almost never been consistent.
It's like how people on twitter a while back were arguing that more people should draw Asriel's child form as being fat based on his overworld sprite, conveniently forgetting that his battle sprite for his child form is actually fairly skinny.

>>723095573
A ship that’s just as crack as Corn Yaoi with no good (objectively even if it’s not my taste) fanart at least supporting it. Honeydew Shopkeeper is only popular for being female

>>723096991
DARKNESS
IMPRISONING ME
ALL THAT I SEE
ABSOLUTE HORROR

>>723102034
It came to my mind when talking to the shopkeeper and she mentioned how she always wanted to talk to him, I know that's probably because she's shy/nervous in general but I like to imagine they could connect and she would find out how sweet dalv is under his awkward exterior

>>723102925
honestly much more well founded than corn yaoi by a fucking mile. I choose to respect it

>>723101405
>its very "crawling in my skin" which is fine
I'll agree that its edgy, but I'm going for more of a comedic kind of edgy with him, rather than the more serious kind of edgy, which is what I would say "Crawling In My Skin" is, Either way, I think edginess is appropriate for the genocide route.

>but if you don't make it clear what they'd gone through leading up to that I think it could fall flat.
My plan was to do a sort of Sans style explanation where a lot of it is implied by actions and dialogue throughout the game, but during his fight he outright spells out a lot of it.

>>723103645
>>723103645
>but I'm going for more of a comedic kind of edgy with him, rather than the more serious kind of edgy, which is what I would say "Crawling In My Skin" is
Thinking about it, I guess I really want to do both. So I suppose that description does fit.

>>723102925
Most of the characters in UTY have so little connective threads between them that all you really need to do to justify shipping any two characters with each other is just having them in the same physical space, and since Dalv does move out into Snowdin, you could have Dalv and the shopkeeper somehow run into each other, and that satisfies that requirement.
Honestly, the relationships between the UTY characters kinda reminds me of the Z-fighters, where they get along with each other just fine, but unless something in particular happens that draws them together, they probably don't actually see each other too often, whereas the UT cast is (somehow) basically a family, though largely oriented around Frisk.
Unless Clover got resurrected after UT true pacifist, I could pretty easily see one or multiple of the UTY characters doing what Tien did at the end of the Cell saga and just going off and doing their own thing without ever expecting to run into the others again, the only ones who have a strong enough pre-existing connection are Starlo and Ceroba.

>>723103645
>>723104031
I think if you're planning to set it up proper then its fine, even if played for humor theres value in making sure the context fits

>>723104487
Someone should draw a version of that with the UTY cast.

>>723105320
Who exactly would be Tien in this context though?
I don't think it would be Ceroba, largely because she was already friends with Starlo before the events of the game and also because I like to think she's learned from isolating herself and knows better than to cut everyone off for no reason, so I imagine it would probably be either Martlet or Dalv who ends up going their own way, if not both.
Again, provided Clover stays dead and there's nothing in particular keeping them together anymore.

>>723105320
In this style, if possible.

>>723099393
This will never not be funny to me. That and how the dev's try to justify letting a child commit suicide by show how everything is better and the pacifist ending totally happened instead of how absolutely mentally wrecked the crew would be and the other UT ending don't exist.
Also threat reminder that Clover and Kanako was betrayed!

>>723105519
Starlo would be Tien, Roba is Chaozu.

>>723104487
this is the dialogue I was referring to

>>723105787
don't worry, monsters don't have object permanence so they don't even know what happened to clover

>>723105787
>Also threat reminder that Clover and Kanako was betrayed!
Betrayed how exactly?
I can sorta see what you might be getting at with Kanako, if you're arguing from the angle that since the serum was never completed her sacrifice was for nothing, but I really don't see how Clover's sacrifice was betrayed if their soul was handed over to Asgore and used as planned.
Also, yeah, the other UT endings exist, but they exist in the same way that most games have alternate endings, where one ending is clearly upheld as being the canon or "true" ending, and the others are all just non-canon alternate sequences.
Clover's sacrifice is more like an Epsilon style sacrifice, where it was done moreso out of hope that it would make things better in the future, rather than immediately solving the problem right then and there, because they didn't have the ability to immediately solve the problem right then and there.

Roba paws, Fellroba paws, Swaproba paws if that even exists etc.

>>723105885
I'm not really sure that makes sense. Starlo hardly seems like the kind of person to say that he'll never see someone again like that, and unless this is after the barrier's been broken, it's not like he actually has anywhere else to go off to. Plus, Tien has always been a more isolated and reclusive person throughout the events of DB and DBZ, but Starlo's always been energetic and outgoing, so there really isn't much of a match there.
Personally, I think it would probably be either Dalv or Martlet, but more likely Dalv.
Dalv is by far the most reclusive member of the main cast, to the point where a lot of people argue he isn't even really part of the main cast, and he has the least connection to the rest of the cast and story outside of having known Clover and Kanako while they were alive for a brief time.
In a world where Clover never gets resurrected, I think Dalv would probably be the first one to end up leaving the others and doing his own thing, potentially followed by Martlet if she doesn't end up forming as strong of a connection with Starlo and Ceroba as some people think she might, and based on how Martlet and Ceroba interact with each other towards the end of the game (not counting Clover's funeral, since they obviously both know better than to argue at a funeral like that), I'd be willing to bet they still wouldn't be on particularly good terms with each other, or at least that Martlet may not have entirely forgiven Ceroba.

>>723105787
so i've been thinking about a story, post barrier revival except its continued from flawed pacifist, where both clover and ceroba come back. Starlo caught up in all the ugly feelings, no longer wanting to be in the same space as clover even with roba coming back, and having trouble coping with that when he sees ceroba begging clover for forgiveness after everything.

a little bit of angst, but a second chance for ceroba in that she's the bridge between clover and his once friends from underground.

>>723106831
How does Ceroba get revived in this context?
Clover I get, since that's just their soul being returned to their body, but Ceroba's body and soul would be long since gone by the end of UT true pacifist, so I don't see an obvious explanation there, unless that's just a concession for the sake of the story here.

>>723106503
>tail

>>723105787
Someone needs to do a bike cuck edit but with Ceroba and Clover

>>723106146
Undertale doesn't have a canon ending.

>>723107202
This is from the AU where she's not retarded.

>>723107116
the thought running through my head on this, was that clover coming back at all may be due to asriel using his powers before returning the souls. Asriel remembering what he put clover through wants to give Clover life back as some of those kinds of stories start with, but with a conscience now asriel remembers what happened leading up to clovers final death, and decides that if clover were to come back alone, knowing how that justice brained kid acts, he'd carry the guilt of being an executioner and not be able to really move forward with his life properly, so before putting everything back in place, asriel brings ceroba back to give her a chance to atone, and in turn spare clovers conscience

>>723107343
If I could write I'd probably call the story something like "penance". I can't into character dialogue but I may write down the general idea of things for my own autism

>>723107258
Maybe not, but pretty much all the external official content made for UT that takes place after the game exclusively references the pacifist route, so even if it's not "canon", that makes it the only specific ending to ever be acknowledged outside of the game, which basically makes it the main ending.
The original Drakengard has multiple different endings, but only one of them leads to Nier, so that's the "true" ending when you're talking about that.
Same deal.

>>723107258
The "canon" ending would be the last ending you got in your playthrough, so if you did the genocide route then that means that Clover's sacrifice helped in the destruction of the entire timeline

>>723106000
Very based and cute anon. I adore your art and your reasoning too. :')

>>723107636
>so if you did the genocide route then that means that Clover's sacrifice helped in the destruction of the entire timeline
How?
I can see an argument for Clover's sacrifice having been made pointless in such a context, but how exactly would their sacrifice have actively *helped* destroy the world in that context?

>>723107757
if Clover was alive he could have helped in stopping Frisk's genocide

>>723107983
Buddy, not even characters capable of actively breaking the apparent rules of the universe could stop Frisk, I think you may be overselling Clover's abilities here just a bit.

>>723107983
clover wouldn't be stopping frisk, he would be stopping (You) and that's a losing battle

>>723107116
Asriel's hyperdeath powers

>>723107567
Pacifist gets the post game content because that's the only ending people would want post game content. That doesn't make it the one true ending, unlike say an actual sequel following on from it would.

>>723108232
>everyone else fails to stop them
>clover, for some reason

>>723108370
The only people brought back by Asriel were people he absorbed in order to gain that power in the first place, but no one who as already dead suddenly came back. So again, Clover being resurrected makes sense since their body and soul were both still present in the underground, but Ceroba's would've been long gone by then, so that doesn't make as much sense.

>>723108523
> but no one who as already dead suddenly came back
Maybe they did and you just didn't see it.

>>723108476
I dunno, I could see some interesting post-game content following the neutral ending you get from only killing Asgore.
Also, I think the fact that pacifist is the only ending to the game to give you that long, drawn out credits sequence, complete with an epilogue showing you what became of the world and the various characters you met throughout the game lends credence to the idea that it's the main ending, given that that's where all the production value went.
Toby could've easily made an OFF style ending for the genocide route, where you see what's left of the world fade to black as the world is erased, but he didn't. Quick slash from Chara, cut to black, the end.
You'd have to be deliberately obtuse to not recognize that the pacifist ending is clearly the main event when it comes to UT, come on now.

>>723108523
It makes plenty of sense that he could potentially have the power to do that, because we know that it was literally world ending reality warping levels of power. the story just hinges on as I said, Asriel realizing that if he wants clover to get the life he deserves, then he's going to have to undo something that a kid shouldn't have to carry on their shoulders.

I'm also convinced that he doesn't have his justice powers in the asgore fight is because he no longer feels just, so its a story of reconciliation in theory. of ceroba facing her sins not by dying but by living, and starlo faces that even if ceroba was his best friend, his deputy got dealt a hand no one should have to play, especially not a kid

>>723108617
So why didn't Asriel actually bring back Chara if he was so upset about them being dead?
Or the monsters who died during the war?
Or hey, how about himself?
Asriel flat out says that he'll turn back into Flowey without the power of a soul, but if you're arguing that he can just pluck a soul straight out of his ass to bring back someone who already died ages ago, why didn't he just grab a new soul for himself?

>>723108885
>Asriel flat out says that he'll turn back into Flowey without the power of a soul, but if you're arguing that he can just pluck a soul straight out of his ass to bring back someone who already died ages ago, why didn't he just grab a new soul for himself?
because he doesn't feel he deserves that obviously.
>monsters during the war
no connection to them, no reason to believe he'd be making anything better by doing that
>chara
see answer number one.
revival fics commonly put it on asriel saying that he fixed things by using that power before giving it up, this is just an extension of that.

>>723108735
>I think the fact that pacifist is the only ending to the game to give you that long, drawn out credits sequence,
Because its the only ending suited for it. Its meant to be the happy feel good ending where everything is the best it could be, credits included. It wouldn't fit thematically to put in in neutral.
>, complete with an epilogue showing you what became of the world and the various characters you met throughout the game
Neutral has its own epilogue that does that. Those characters just aren't doing much in it.

>You'd have to be deliberately obtuse to not recognize that the pacifist ending is clearly the main event when it comes to UT
Even if it were the main event, its not the canon ending. The game is constructed in such a way that it can't have a canon ending, and trying to make one of the endings "canon" would be doing its plot and themes a disservice. The game is all about player choice, so the closest thing it will ever have to that is what (you) choose.

Its not even the main ending though, since if you do genocide then genocide retroactively make it just the prologue and/or epilogue to your pacifist playthrough.

>>723109028
Why didn't he use his powers to separate the amalgamates so they aren't eternally suffering masses of flesh with turbo dementia?
Why doesn't he use his powers to help Sans and Papyrus get back to their home universe, etc?
At this point I have less of a problem with the idea of Ceroba coming back to life, and more of a problem with saying Asriel can do things he pretty blatantly can't.
Also,
>because he doesn't feel he deserves that obviously.
So he doesn't deserve a soul, when, in this context, he could easily just grab one for himself with no problem, but he *will* continue to exist as a mass murdering psychopath around his parents and all their friends?
While also bringing back Ceroba for the sake of letting *her* atone for her mistakes?
You see the issue here?
It would probably make more sense *not* to explain how she gets brought back, at least that doesn't open up so many problems like this Asriel idea does.

>>723108885
>Chara
Human souls are a lot more powerful than monster souls, so making one would take a lot more power, maybe more than he has if he wants to do that in addition to fixing everything else. Monster souls are a lot easier.
>The monsters who died during the war
He never met them, he wouldn't really know what to bring back
>himsellf
Maybe he can't. Maybe whatever process he uses to resurrect the dead only works on others, or maybe he simply used up all his power saving everyone else, and didn't have any left for himself.

>>723109334
>Why didn't he use his powers to separate the amalgamates so they aren't eternally suffering masses of flesh with turbo dementia?
because you're going with the fanfiction version of amalgamates and amalgamates and their families are actually quite ok with how things turned out
>blatantly cant
you dont know that
>mass murdering psychopath
the flowey we see isn't a mass murderer anymore, he's a penitent flower thats not going to do that anymore and we already know this
and no i dont see the issue because he's letting her atone for clovers sake. you're catching the angle of this all wrong, this isn't a fuzzy make ceroba feel better story, this is 'you're being given a chance you dont deserve because someone other than you needs this more than you could ever deserve it". she doesn't deserve it, but this is about mercy being granted because someone else deserves it
honestly you're inventing problems that aren't present in the reality of the pacifist ending.

>>723109334
>Why didn't he use his powers to separate the amalgamates so they aren't eternally suffering masses of flesh with turbo dementia?
Maybe he didn't know about them. Its possible he escaped the lab before everyone started melting and then either didn't or wasn't able to go back.
>Why doesn't he use his powers to help Sans and Papyrus get back to their home universe, etc?
He may not know they come from another universe, and even if he did sending people to other universes is a much bigger feat than resurrecting the dead, That may be beyond even hyperdeath Asriel.

>While also bringing back Ceroba for the sake of letting *her* atone for her mistakes?
His logical reason would be that other people need her more than people need Asriel, and that she wasn't as bad as him. The real reason is that it allows him to live his dreams of redemption vicariously through others while still not taking more than he feels he deserves.

>>723105787
>Clover and Kanako was betrayed!
Clover was canonically and officially BETRAYED by his friends and TRAPPED in the HYPERBOLIC SOUL CONTAINER for 1000000000 YEARS
Monstruokindg must payed... with they're are blood.... Clover will reset PolyStation Triple to being quest of bring the yellow Juan Dice of the 5 huemens chile boys and commiting Gemoslide on the evilest munsters.... Epic Rockstar of David's The Warriors' Smuggler's Space Station Grand Theft Horse Read Dead Revolver Retrivengance Uniracer Body Harvest Manhunt Club LA Table Tennis Remix The Fall of Lemmings Noire Online: Scholarship Edition Styloer...

>>723109341
>Maybe whatever process he uses to resurrect the dead only works on others, or maybe he simply used up all his power saving everyone else, and didn't have any left for himself.
Again, you see the issue here? You start having to draw more and more arbitrary lines as to how his powers work, when it makes way more sense (and is more based on in-game evidence) to say that the only people brought back after Asriel released all the souls were the people whose souls he actually absorbed to begin with, and not anyone whose soul was already gone.
I mean, in-game he literally says he has to give the souls back to their original owners at the end of the scene with him once his fight is over, it makes way more sense to assume he was only giving back the souls he actually had, and not making new souls for people long dead.
Again, any explanation would work better than this, fucking Gaster shit would work better than this.

>>723109784
>That may be beyond even hyperdeath Asriel.
Defeating a child armed with a stick was also beyond Hyperdeath Asriel, so again, I'm really not convinced he's quite as powerful as you're making him out to be.

>>723109930
>Again, you see the issue here? You start having to draw more and more arbitrary lines as to how his powers work,
there's nothing wrong with that, you are only against it because you dont like the premise I think but there's nothing saying he can't do one thing but not another, or that there aren't reasons he wouldn't do these other things. saying she came back for a reason and that the person bringing her back had justifications is better than just saying "oh she came back for some reason lol". yeah you can poke holes in it but I can poke back and justify how they could do this. and no gaster would not work better you're off your fucking rocker.

all it is, is before he gave the souls back, he used that power to do something extra specifically because it would help the recovery of one of the souls that was important to him. also I think you're talking to 3 different people.

>>723109930
It works fine as long as you sit here and nitpick it like you're doing. Asriel is the happy ending guy, so if its a happy ending then its believable he can make it happen. Anyone else could suspend their disbelief enough to accept it for the sake of a good fic.

>>723110164
>there's nothing wrong with that, you are only against it because you dont like the premise
I have no problem with the base premise of Ceroba and Clover being resurrected, I just think this particular explanation for how is dumb and has a lot of obvious problems.

>>723110124
That child just talked him into being nice, not really an issue of power there.

>>723110217
*as long as you don't

>>723110295
and the "obvious problems" have had counterpoints brought up for each of them, and you can't just say that having to explain each of these away is an issue because most people dont ask why they didn't just use the birds to carry the ring to the mountain. its an explanation that uses the admittedly unknown extent of power someone had , all we know is that character had "godlike power" so saying they did this for personal reasons makes sense enough, and a hell of a lot more sense than saying "gaster done it" because now you've disconnected everything from any sense of logic at all. I can justify that asriel may have his reasons why he did or did not do something, maybe he was limited in power, maybe he didn't feel connected enough to those people to think they needed that or maybe he lacked foresight, which is right up floweys alley in the first place as he's not as cunning as he wants us to believe. the point being that he could have used his power in one last effort to do something for clover who he dragged through hell and back

>>723110416
That child also tanked a direct attack that Asriel was pouring all of his energy into, while also screaming and crying for it to kill them so he could win, shortly after which said child talked him into being nice.
Godhood really isn't worth shit in the UT universe.

>>723110295
Simply stop thinking its dumb. You have to do that to some extent to enjoy most stories.

>>723110587
that kid tanking the attack also had special powers that none of the kids before him had so thats a little facetious. Not just anyone could stand up to that kind of power and literally will themselves back together after being killed like frisk does in the final fight, protagonist power is real in this setting and he was absolutely shining with it at that moment

>>723110587
You've got understand that Asriel is an inner god of the UT universe, while (you) are an outer god of the UT universe. He exists inside the universe and is constrained by it, (you) exist outside of it and have no such limitations. Your power inherently supersedes his, so he can't overpower (you). Frisk isn't shit without (you) backing him.

That did just give me a fun idea though. Maybe you could get meta with it and say that (you) brought Ceroba back, specifically for the sake of a good story. While the characters in the story think Asriel did it, only Flowey knows the truth.

>>723110552
>and the "obvious problems" have had counterpoints brought up for each of them,
I haven't seen a good argument for why Asriel wouldn't extend this kindness to the amalgamates by separating them. I saw someone say that he wouldn't know about them, which is obviously bullshit, since he clearly knows about what happened in the true lab based on the smiley face terminals you see towards the end of it, and the letter (admittedly presumably) written by Flowey that can be found in Alphys' trashcan that says "I KNOW WHAT YOU DID", so if Asriel knew about them, why did he leave them like that? If he has such mastery of souls that he can bring someone's soul back from already having been destroyed, why not use that same power to just separate the amalgamates back into their own bodies? Remember, a monster's body and soul vanish at the same time if they aren't a boss monster, which means that he'd also have to reconstruct Ceroba's body too, so just putting the amalgamates back into their own bodies isn't necessarily harder than bringing someone entirely back from the dead.
Like I said in an earlier message, literally no explanation might even be better, since that doesn't bring up as many issues as "Asriel did it" does.
Say, we don't know exactly how old Flowey is in the context of UTY, why doesn't he bring back all the people the integrity soul killed too? Why doesn't he bring back Chujin, or Kanako, or literally anyone who ever died ever, you know, for a happy ending?
I'm sure I could find more problems with this angle, but I think I've more than shown why this is a bad way of approaching it. It's not just fridge problems, these are the sorts of questions that come up when you have such a massive problem like this, it just doesn't make any sense if you actually think about it, and thinking about stories is the purpose of reading them in the first place.

>>723111052
I like those depictions of YOU being as gleaming eyes staring in from the window of reality with almost inscrutable motives, only in rare circumstances do people even glimpse your existence, maybe asriel before giving the power back could have such a moment, not knowing the reasons why, or perhaps feeling the reason in a broad sense
"why would I bring her back?"
no response
"I understand, its for him, isn't it. He deserves another chance after what I... no after what we put him through doesn't he?"

>>723111052
>hat did just give me a fun idea though. Maybe you could get meta with it and say that (you) brought Ceroba back, specifically for the sake of a good story. While the characters in the story think Asriel did it, only Flowey knows the truth.
*THERE* we go, I have no more problems with this. Thank you.
Yes, I'm serious, the meta-angle of (you) bring Ceroba back for the sake of a happy ending (or for the sake of sating the curiosity of what would happen, which is partially what I was getting at by bringing up Gaster earlier) makes way more sense than "Asriel did it just because".

>>723111235
>I haven't seen a good argument for why Asriel wouldn't extend this kindness to the amalgamates by separating them.
because life for the amalgamates isn't a problem to them or their families once they get reunited. this is established in the game, we know this for a fact and we choose to ignore it for the sake of edgy stories, which is fine but still.
>why doesn't he bring back chujin
not needed for helping clover, and this isn't mercy for cerobas sake, but you could just bring him back if you wanted a rare chujin revived fic
>kanako
amalgamates are ok with what they are and this is established in the game so if kanako is still in one piece at the end of true pacifist then theres no reason she wouldn't get returned back to a revived ceroba which is more than ceroba deserves.

>>723110736
consider:
>schizoboss darkner that is completely aware of protag power and intends to steal it from the player character, unaware of what that actually brings with it.

>>723111238
Asriel knows about (you) by the end of the game. He, as Flowey, has a full conversation with (you) asking (you) to leave everyone alone and let Frisk live his life.

I imagine he would realize that the strange presence he felt during UTY was (you) and probably figure this was (you)r way of helping Clover out of the metaphorical pit he had fallen into by the end of it.

>>723111390
Im not against suggestions on how to handle this but genuinely you're treating your input as objectively correct like the burden of proof is needed to show why this wouldn't work when its a perfectly reasonable premise. I do like the idea of seeing him through the window but each and every reason you've brought up as to why Asriel shouldn't be able to do this is flimsy

Ch 3 and 4 came out, the fuck are you still talking about Yellow for?

>>723111565
Cause we want to.

>>723111565
because yellow, and the fangame community around it carry the soul of the original game differently than DR does, and we have the mandate of heaven after all.

>>723111461
Isn't that just Spamton?

>>723111660
yeah I think thats just spamton word for word actually.

>>723111565
cause roba

>>723111565
I want to cuddle this bird

>>723111565
I prefer talking about fangames. Don't particularly like the direction DR is taking.

>>723111660
>>723111690
spamton was more of a "if i take the soul of a lightner, i can enter the light world!"
im thinking more "if i take the protag's soul, then i become the protag and can arbitrarily redefine reality"

>>723111551
>each and every reason you've brought up as to why Asriel shouldn't be able to do this is flimsy
Because you're severely overestimating Asriel's actual capabilities and genuinely arguing that he can do things he's never shown nor implied to be able to do, and the implications of those things have major conflicts with the original game which make no sense.
For example, in this context, if Asriel so highly values other people's happiness over his own, and he's more than capable of making new souls and bodies for people who lost theirs, why exactly wouldn't he give himself a new soul to keep his body?
Even if he doesn't feel like *he* deserves to be happy, he knows Toriel and Asgore would be ecstatic to have their son back, even if Chara didn't come back with him, and if he values other people's happiness so much more than his own than surely he must be willing to go through with that if it means making his parents happy, so why doesn't he?
And again, if we're saying Asriel can just manifest a soul for someone out of thin air, there really is no reason he can't do that for himself that doesn't just reek of cheap writing. "uh, he ran out of soul power!" So he had enough soul power to make *more* souls than his total amount of soul power added up to in the first place? That would have to be the case, unless you're saying Asriel would take away someone else's soul just to revive someone else in this context, which would be completely OOC and make no sense at all for what that story's supposed to be.
Asriel in-game is only presented as being able to give back the souls he initially took, nothing more. Nowhere in game is it even remotely implied that a monster can be resurrected like that, outside of turning someone into an amalgamate, or turning someone into something like Flowey.
Insisting that he absolutely *can* do something like this is the crack take, I'm just defending what's in-game.

>>723111690
You could take this and make it its own thing if you changed it so he does know what comes with it. Maybe this schizo believes he would make a better vessel than the player character, and is perfectly willing to be a slave for it.

>>723112121
>spamton was more of a "if i take the soul of a lightner, i can enter the light world!"
I think that was just us misreading him due to a lack of context. Looking back on it now, I think he was trying to escape the bounds of the game's narrative as an NPC by becoming a player. When he says real boy, he doesn't mean lightner, he means player character.

>>723112132
>Because you're severely overestimating Asriel's actual capabilities
or you're severely underestimating
>implied to be able to do
he has reality warping powers, and 7 souls is hinted constantly to be "godlike power".
>why exactly wouldn't he give himself a new soul to keep his body?
because he's personally weighed down by what he's done. you've got this whole values others happiness thing but this whole scenario is specifically because he holds guilt over what he put clover through specifically, his dialogue at the end of pacifist implies despite how tired of dealing with clover he was while soulless, he had a soft spot for him. you're inventing a whole scenario that doesn't line up with what I'm originally posing here.
there's nothing unreasonable about saying he can only do it for one person perhaps, or that his power in this regard is limited, and he'd rather give clover a chance at getting over his baggage rather than returning himself. its only out of character because you are insisting it, you're only insisting that all he can do is give back the souls because thats what you want it to be but we do not know the extent of his power whilst holding the souls. we just know that 7 souls = godlike power and this is drilled into our head from early on.

you aren't defending whats in game, you're taking half of what happens and insisting because of that other things can not happen. its absurd

>>723112076
What fangames aside from Yellow even are there?

>>723112667
Undertale Wildfire, Undertale Naranja, Deltarune Yellow, Deltarune Yellow (2), SURVEY_2, that Tohou crossover game, that UT Blue game that came out recently, Oldentale, and a myriad of other games that I've either forgot or haven't heard of.

>>723111565
Yellow filled up the role of "Undertale follow up game" way better than Deltarune is doing so far.
And it fucking hurts.

>>723112167
>>723112121
when he talks about "heaven I took it to be him having a partial understanding of the situation that only a madman can have. in a way he thinks its the light world, but thats just because he doesn't know how deep the rabbit hole goes, he doesn't know what actually lies at the top, but maybe he knows again, in that crazy way about who lies at the top

>>723113323
Deltarune retroactively made Undertale the spinoff game. This is like if Half-Life came out after Portal (sorry I don't have a better example, but I don't play enough RPGs to know if SMT and Persona would've been a better example)

>>723112556
>and 7 souls is hinted constantly to be "godlike power".
Oh yeah, the game goes on and on about how strong the power of 7 souls is, but we never really get a good demonstration that, do we? Again, the only in-universe depiction of a being with that kind of power is the same being that can't even kill a child, and player or not, there are other problems there that show that Asriel really wasn't all that powerful. Just like in the Photoshop Flowey fight, Asriel can't seemingly stop Frisk from interacting with the souls Asriel has, namely the "lost souls", which are the souls of Frisk's friends they've met throughout their journey. Frisk reaching out and "saving" them is what started to turn the tables against Asriel, which means Asriel was losing his control of the situation way before he was talked down directly.
>you've got this whole values others happiness thing but this whole scenario is specifically because he holds guilt over what he put clover through specifically, his dialogue at the end of pacifist implies despite how tired of dealing with clover he was while soulless, he had a soft spot for him.
And Asriel *isn't* guilty for what he put his parents through by participating in Chara's plan? He doesn't have a soft spot for *them* that would make him feel compelled to try and make them happy by coming back to life and being part of their lives again?
>you're only insisting that all he can do is give back the souls because thats what you want it to be but we do not know the extent of his power whilst holding the souls.
We might not know everything he's capable of, but insisting that he can just randomly resurrect someone (but only once, according to your impeccable reasoning) is complete nonsense with no foundation whatsoever. You're insisting he can do this based on literally no in-game evidence, and treating me like I'm just being cynical for pointing out that nothing like this is ever even remotely implied to possible.

>>723113505
>This is like if Half-Life came out after Portal (sorry I don't have a better example
Eh, that's a good enough example.
This sort of thing is pretty uncommon, so there really aren't a whole lot of things to compare it to.
Maybe JJBA and SBR?

>>723113457
I think even he doesn't know what he's saying any more. Sometimes he means the light world, sometimes he means being free from the plot, sometimes he means both, sometimes he just means success and power, sometimes he means all three. Similarly, sometimes when he's speaking to you he's addressing Kris, other times he's addressing you, and other still he's addressing no one in particular, and he doesn't know the difference between the three.

Oh hey, if that one writeranon from last weekend or so is here, are you still planning on getting around to doing that green of Clover being forcibly revived by their friends, only to be super pissed about being alive again, Epsilon style?

>>723112304
>>723113457
yeah probably, but the intent is still different.
spamton wanted to escape the bounds of the narrative
im thinking of a darkner that wants to twist it for themselves, unware that protag power comes with being bound to (you)r will.

>>723113639
SBR isn't a spinoff. Maybe that one shot where that ghost solves murders. Video games have a lot more spinoff series, especially RPGs. The Mana series started as a Final Fantasy spinoff.

I did just think of an example. Fuga. Its a spinoff of the Little Tail Bronx series, and retains a lot of the same elements, but took the series in a radically different direction tonally and gameplay wise. And a lot of fans of the series dislike it because of that.

>>723113551
>but we never really get a good demonstration that, do we?
correct, its left up to our imagination, and saying he can't kill a child is still extremely facetious because that child is being backed by THE most powerful being in existence and we know that power comes with the ability to arbitrarily come back to life even outside of loading. using what frisk can accomplish as a measure of "oh hyperdeath asriel isn't that strong" is a fools errand.
>And Asriel *isn't* guilty for what he put his parents through by participating in Chara's plan?
he is guilty, and that situation is resolved, his parents are safe, and he asks frisk to take care of them. its handled, but clover is carrying guilt that someone his age shouldn't have to carry. this isn't the same as asgore and toriel feeling guilt over the fallen children, this is a kid that was made to make the decision to kill someone so its a completely different dynamic.
>We might not know everything he's capable of, but insisting that he can just randomly resurrect someone (but only once, according to your impeccable reasoning) is complete nonsense with no foundation whatsoever.

no, its "we dont know the full extent of his power, his power is described as godlike, theres already a running theory that asriel brought the fallen children back to life, so what if before he gave up his powers he did something more? as I said before, you are off your god damn rocker here. you're not just being cynical about this, you're treating this as if you have the perfect perspective on everything that happened taking a completely reasonable jump of logic and acting as if its a cardinal sin.

>>723113865
I don't think there is a difference for Spamton. The narrative said that he is a nobody who fades into obscurity in the cyber world. Spamton wants to be a big shot who runs everything. So he thinks the only way to do that is with (you).

>>723113897
and I'm going to continue on this, all it is, is "what if he could do this thing? we dont know what he's capable of so what if this is within the bounds of his power?" there's nothing explicitly saying he cant, do this, his power is essentially a blank check of possibility

>>723113897
>theres already a running theory that asriel brought the fallen children back to life
This is where my entire argument stems from. Asriel bringing the fallen children back to life makes sense on it's own, because all the necessary components are still present in the underground. The six human's souls are still around, and their bodies are implied to be in those coffins in that room just past Asgore's throne room. Bringing *them* back would theoretically just be a matter of putting their souls back where they belong.
By contrast, in the context of a flawed-pacifist UTY ending, Ceroba's body and soul have both been destroyed, and her dust, the remaining bit of her essence, has literally been scattered to the wind.
The fallen humans are basically just disassembled, Ceroba has been entirely destroyed, there's nothing left of her *to* bring back.
This is why I'm saying her being resurrected because of Asriel makes no sense, the only characters we see get brought back after Asriel's fight are the people whose souls he took in the first place, we never see any kind of implication that he can just *make* souls.
Also, examine your own logic here. If Asriel can just *make* a new soul for someone out of nowhere like that, why didn't he use that to just make new souls for himself during his fight, and effectively scale his power infinitely?
Even if he couldn't directly *oppose* Frisk with his power, there's nothing indicating that he couldn't just leave Frisk alone and do whatever he wants outside of them, since Frisk's power also couldn't override *his* power when it came to controlling the world at that point, it only let them prevent him from *winning*.
>you're treating this as if you have the perfect perspective on everything that happened taking a completely reasonable jump of logic and acting as if its a cardinal sin.
I'm not saying I have a perfect perspective on this, I'm saying I played the game and everything you're saying is complete mental gymnastics.

>>723113505
Not really my issue. It's that Deltarune sold itself as "a game to play after Undertale" despite the fact it has less and less of what I enjoyed in UT with each new chapter.

UTY has some glaring problems and admittedly rehashes some aspects from UT, but I felt a stronger connection to it than Deltarune ch 3-4.

Ceroba's eyes

>>723114476
>there's nothing explicitly saying he cant, do this, his power is essentially a blank check of possibility
Yeah, there's also nothing saying he couldn't have used his totally legit god powers™ to pull Gaster straight out of the void and have him use his meta powers to stop Frisk from winning by turning his fight into a "supposed to lose" fight, but that wouldn't make for very good writing either, would it?
Having Asriel actually be as powerful as you say he is makes no damn sense, because that implies he's so much of an idiot as to be able to fuck up getting what he wants when he has literal god powers, since that's apparently what he'd have in that context.
I'm not "off my rocker", I'm pointing out that there's nothing in-game backing up what you're saying, and that there's actually a fairly decent bit arguing against what you're saying implicitly both in-game and by merely following the logic of what you propose, you just can't accept that you're the one who's not understanding things here.

>>723114498
>Ceroba has been entirely destroyed, there's nothing left of her *to* bring back.
asriel halfway came back by sprinkling his dust on some flowers and injecting soul steroids into them. I can buy someone with the power of a god doing a lot better than that
>the only characters we see get brought back after Asriel's fight are the people whose souls he took in the first place
we dont see anyone get revived, its only implied that the fallen may have been but we dont actually see what happens, the rest of monsterkind are implied to be absorbed while still alive as foreshadowed earlier in the game.
>why didn't he use that to just make new souls for himself during his fight
you keep going back to stuff about him making a soul for himself but it just doesn't make sense why he would even try to. during his fight he doesn't need one, he's not planning on giving up those souls, he has a soul inside of him now, plenty in fact so why would he bother with that? and when he gets his emotions back his perspective and goals have changed so now he doesn't WANT to.
>just leave frisk alone
did you play the game? he wants to win, leaving frisk alone would not be winning in any measure
it comes across that you think you have perfect perspective because instead of facing any of the arguments being made you handwave everything away and act like the logic being thrown at you is immediately trash while retreading arguments you've made 5 times without acknowledging any of the points made against it. its exhausting, pointless, and far from constructive.

>>723114923
>Yeah, there's also nothing saying he couldn't have used his totally legit god powers™ to pull Gaster straight out of the void and have him use his meta powers to stop Frisk from winning by turning his fight into a "supposed to lose" fight, but that wouldn't make for very good writing either, would it?
frisk is backed by something stronger than the game itself, thats not happening because the absolute power of protagonism is backing our boy there. the power to move forward, the power to reach an ending
>to fuck up getting what he wants
because all he wants is to win, to keep this game going, and he's against the one being in all of reality that can not be permanently set back. we've gone over the extent of what our presence in this equation means for frisk, and that lines up directly counter to asriels goals until he gets his feelings back.
you're absolutely off your rocker, and any time I make an argument for why what you're saying does not stop any of this you just argue around it. There's no point in continuing this conversation anymore at this point. I liked some of the ideas that were coming up like alternate ways to approach this but your insistence is not on the perfectly solid ground you are acting like it is.

what are the COMFIEST undertale yellow fics?

>>723114973
>asriel halfway came back by sprinkling his dust on some flowers and injecting soul steroids into them.
Only because his dust was actually concentrated largely into a single thing. We see Ceroba's dust blow away, there's far less of her than there was of Asriel when he died.
>the rest of monsterkind are implied to be absorbed while still alive as foreshadowed earlier in the game.
Monster's souls are directly stated to be more connected to their bodies than human's souls are, and the characters are literally called "lost souls" during Asriel's fight. They're their souls, the bodies are likely just a visage attached to their remaining essence, like Chara at the end of Genocide, unless you'd like to argue that Chara's body dug itself up from that flower patch and ran full tilt from the ruins to Asgore's throne room just for that ending scene.
>so why would he bother with that?
Because souls are power, and Asriel was very interested in having more power during that fight, so why wouldn't he whip up some more souls for himself to boost his own power if that's apparently something he can do? Nothing saying seven's the limit on soul power, why doesn't he shoot for eight? Nine, ten, eleven, sky's the limit if he can just pull souls right out of his ass like you're inanely insisting he can.
>he wants to win, leaving frisk alone would not be winning in any measure
He also wanted the power to control the world, and keep Frisk stuck with him, as he says repeatedly during his fight. If he's so all-powerful that he can freely make the most powerful energy in his world like it's nothing, why didn't he use that to his advantage at all? Unless of course, he can't, which is what I'm arguing.
>retreading arguments you've made 5 times without acknowledging any of the points made against it. its exhausting, pointless, and far from constructive.
I am responding to your points as you make them, you're the one closing your eyes and acting like you can't see what I'm saying.

>>723115586
Comfy how?
Cause I know a decent one, but it's more sexy-comfy than wholesome-comfy.

>>723115698
>Only because his dust was actually concentrated largely into a single thing
how much dust can be on one single flower, his dust poured over the garden after all
>"lost souls"
yes but they weren't killed, they were taken entirely by a being of immense power
> why doesn't he shoot for eight? Nine, ten, eleven, sky's the limit if he can just pull souls right out of his ass like you're inanely insisting he can.
and what would this do for him? he has his goal number, he's been shooting for this for the longest time, make him hit frisk harder? he can already 1 shot frisk, he did so with 6 souls, he can break the barrier if he wants, he does so. he's not defeated because of a lack of power, this is irrelevant. his goal is no longer "power" once he gets all of the souls anyways, its to keep the game going and he directly talks about this in the fight, he loses the fight because power is not an equation in winning that fight
>He also wanted the power to control the world, and keep Frisk stuck with him, as he says repeatedly during his fight.
which he has already, but he gets his emotions back and feels bad for it. he has not just the advantage in power in his fight, he has THE power in his fight. if he didn't start feeling bad he could have indeed kept us there forever because he had absolute control over the timeline.
you are not responding to my points for shit because you are taking fanfiction interpretations of stuff that happened in the games and using them as arguments against me like with the amalgamates. I am going to check out from this argument because it is absolutely not productive and I still think the original idea is a lot of fun, and the longer I argue with you the less productive today becomes.

>>723092345 (OP)
>Check Twitter
>Artist deleted ALL of their Ceroba art
I'm gonna need you all to post any pictures of Ceroba you have from this artist. I'll contribute my own, but I'm certain I never saved every image before they were deleted

Artist is @Zub0rsoup in case you were wondering

>>723115274
>frisk is backed by something stronger than the game itself, thats not happening because the absolute power of protagonism is backing our boy there. the power to move forward, the power to reach an ending
Whatever Gaster's up to is powerful enough to make the fight against The Knight a "supposed to lose" fight by default, unless you manually go back or manage to beat it on your first try, so he's clearly capable of overriding protagonism power when he wants to, so why doesn't Asriel just whip him out and have him do his dirty work? Asriel wants to win so damn badly, and can apparently do literally anything according to you, so why not? Seems like it's worth a shot to me.
>because all he wants is to win, to keep this game going, and he's against the one being in all of reality that can not be permanently set back.
Yeah, but he can clearly exercise full control of the world even if he can't affect Frisk specifically, we see that with the save file when we first load up the game after killing Asgore for the first time.
So, if he wants control of the world, and he wants to keep Frisk with him, and all in-game evidence points to those both being perfectly possible even against Frisk's player powers, why doesn't Asriel do that? Why doesn't he use his supposedly limitless power to do what he wants, when he supposedly can do just that, according to you?
Unless, of course, he can't, because he's not actually that powerful at all.
>you're absolutely off your rocker, and any time I make an argument for why what you're saying does not stop any of this you just argue around it.
I've addressed everything you're saying, you just can't understand why what you're saying is complete horseshit because to you, the game not explicitly saying something is the equivalent of not saying anything at all. You completely lack the ability to understand the actual implications of what you're saying and why that makes no sense.

>>723116425
>Whatever Gaster's up to is powerful enough to make the fight against The Knight a "supposed to lose" fight by default,
I don't think that was Gaster's doing. If anything he is intervening to actively make it not a forced loss.

Besides, Deltarune is different from Undertale in that the protagonist has very little power. That's just the difference between the two universes

> why doesn't Asriel just whip him out
I don't he'd have the power to control Gaster.

nta btw

>>723116229
>its to keep the game going and he directly talks about this in the fight
Yes, to keep the game going, that's my point. If he has the power to keep the game going, why doesn't use that power to just send Frisk back to the start of the game like he wants to, and supposedly can do, instead of directly fighting them in such a way where he runs the risk of losing his control?
Unless, of course, he doesn't *actually* have the kind of power you say he has, and is still limited even with the power of seven human souls, which is evidenced in game by the fact that he obviously still fucking loses even though there should've been multiple ways around it, if he really is as powerful as he says he is, which he obviously isn't because his defining character trait up until this fight is being a fucking liar.
>I still think the original idea is a lot of fun
Yeah, the original idea is pretty interesting and has some decent potential for storytelling, I'm just baffled as to how you could've played the game and come to the conclusion that this is somehow within Asriel's power when nothing of the sort is even remotely hinted at or shown at all.
My argument against you was, in a nutshell, "if Asriel was actually this powerful, why did he never use this power at any of the times where it would've made sense for him to do so?", and you were never able to provide a single decent answer to that question.

>>723116425
Ok anon, I think we are fundamentally at odds in our interpretation of things down to the very core of what is happening in the games. I have tried to elaborate on my interpretations but I think it is clear that there is absolutely nothing productive about continuing this discussion.
I do want to address
>>723116829
though
>why doesn't use that power to just send Frisk back to the start of the game like he wants to, and supposedly can do, instead of directly fighting them in such a way where he runs the risk of losing his control?
because no amount of power is going to make that a win for him because of our influence. it doesn't matter if its past present or future, he can't truly win unless we give up and we are an existence beyond anything in the game. we would have to turn off the game and walk away for him to win, absolutely no number of souls would surmount that.

>"if Asriel was actually this powerful, why did he never use this power at any of the times where it would've made sense for him to do so?", and you were never able to provide a single decent answer to that question.
I have given many answers to the question that have been thought out and detailed. it is not that the answers are not decent, they are simply not satisfactory to your way of thinking which is completely antithetical to mine clearly. I'm tempted to try writing some fics for the first time, and while I welcome other viewpoints on anything I do, I think continuing this conversation is just going to be an exercise in frustration that will make me not want to engage with it. I will agree to disagree and hopefully with some respect, step away.

frankly I think ceroba is a nice woman

Hey guys! Drawanon here, or as some like to call me pregnancy guy.
I'm working on some of those requests that got sent to me during last weeks thread.
I ended up getting a lot. Far more than I expected lol. So there's been a lot to filter.
I'm unfortunately not the fastest artist, but I hope you guys can bare with me.
I've been having a lot fun drawing/making some of the ideas.
Also very surprised the unbirth images ended becoming so popular to were people were actually having deep discussions about it.

>>723116709
>If anything he is intervening to actively make it not a forced loss.
While he does intervene, or more accurately, guide you into making the fight less of an inherent loss, The Knight still presumably derives their power from him based on all the surrounding details of their design (skeletal, holes in hands, association with the bunker,etc) as well as a lot of the information from whatever that second Spamton sweepstakes thing was, so it was technically still Gaster's power working against you in that fight, even if he was slightly encouraging you to keep at it. I'd say the fact that The Knight's fight is a supposed-to-lose on default is a pretty major thing in the context of UTDR, given that it's the only case of such a thing so far.
>Deltarune is different from Undertale in that the protagonist has very little power. That's just the difference between the two universes
Maybe temporally, but only in DR does the player have the power to flat-out erase saves, instead of simply resetting them, as the text seen in the save menu clearly states. Granted, Chara seems to be able to do something similar at the end of a genocide route, but it seems as though they simply change the world to being an empty black void, rather than actually erasing the world itself, as you're still able to load into the world after the fact, which is how you sell your soul to them to play the game properly again.
I'm not really arguing with you here, I'm just saying Gaster seems to be one of those characters who's more capable of actually opposing the player if he really wants to, he just doesn't for whatever reason, likely because Gaster probably just doesn't see the player as being a real threat to his goals, justified or not.

>>723117196
she's a nice woman that made a lot of really really really big mistakes and because she's nice she wants to fix them. this leads to more mistakes. She needs a handler

>>723092345 (OP)
>Undertale fur

>>723117274
Leave it to /v/ to have philosophical discussions about fetishes

>>723117274
Oh, hey, nice to see you around again!
Hope you're doing well, and don't worry about not being the fastest artist around, your stuff's well worth the wait.

>>723117274
Well the images in question are actually very well drawn.
And it's done in a way to where it does make you think if a monster like Martlet did absorb Clover's soul in that manner, if it would be possible for her to turn him into monster that's also her child as well.

I mean it's like deltarune and such are very clearly influenced by various CN and Disney cartoons while something like yellow just seems to more directly derive from furry subculture stuff with its designs

>>723117387
I doubt it was anything Sigmund Freud didn't already figure out 90 years prior

>>723115768
what is it? is it kanaclover?

>>723117830
It actually is hilarious how he figured it all out and autists and their vore unbirth fantasies are just more literal about it

>>723117282
>he Knight still presumably derives their power from him based on all the surrounding details of their design (skeletal, holes in hands, association with the bunker,etc) as well as a lot of the information from whatever that second Spamton sweepstakes
I don't think you can say that for certain. There's a lot of unknowns here. Maybe the Knight isn't drawing their power from Gaster, but both it and Gaster have connections to some third entity and that's where the similarities come from. Or maybe the Knight was created by Gaster, but has since become its own independent entity acting of its own accord (think the Nihilanth from HL and its connection to the Combine). Or maybe the Knight has been affected by the same phenomena as Gaster, being consumed by darkness, which makes it look that way. Or maybe its been artificially made similar to Gaster in attempt to gain some kind of power of fill some role originally intended for him

There's a lot of explanations for the Knight's appearance aside from "works for Gaster".

>Maybe temporally, but only in DR does the player have the power to flat-out erase saves,
Which may or may not be a significant difference. Time will tell.

The way I see it in, in Deltarune the player only has the power to progress the plot, and the plot in DR is one dimensional. It can only move forward and backward. So all the player can control is whether he's moving forward or backward, not where he's going.

>likely because Gaster probably just doesn't see the player as being a real threat to his goals, justified or not.
Or because he's aware enough to know he can't stop a really determined player. There's nothing stopping you from modding the game to make whatever you want happen. Gaster can't beat that.

>>723117156
>we would have to turn off the game and walk away for him to win, absolutely no number of souls would surmount that.
That's already implied to have happened before, you can see it yourself if you die to Asgore at least once and use the relevant ACT command.
If the other fallen humans apparently had the ability to save and load just as the player did, then the only way they could've possibly lost against Asgore, or whoever ended up punching their ticket in the end, is if they gave up after being met with insurmountable odds. A rage quit, basically.
If that's happened before, and Asriel's aware of how determination works, then all he has to do is effectively softlock Frisk into a situation where their power can't override his, and where they can't proceed any further. Literally all Asriel would've had to do in that case is just stop Frisk from interacting with his souls, and get them stuck in a softlock, which is directly implied to be possible by in-game text, and he'd get what he wants as soon as they give up. He even makes a direct reference to the idea of Frisk giving up well before he even gets his hands on any souls at all, so it's not like the idea isn't addressed by the man himself.
>they are simply not satisfactory to your way of thinking which is completely antithetical to mine clearly.
It's not my "way of thinking", I'm just backing up what I'm saying with in-game evidence, and that's too much for your argument to overcome.
I'm sorry if you've gotten upset over this, but it really is that simple, it's not a matter of interpretation or headcannon, it's what's in the game.
I've said it before in another thread, but past a certain point, arguing that Flowey/Asriel is actually as powerful as he says he is means saying he's a complete idiot, since that means he managed to lose repeatedly even when he was holding all the cards and had all the power he ever wanted.
It just doesn't work.

>>723117368
Undertale fur who?

>>723117921
No, it's Ceroba/Reader.
Based on your question, I'll assume you won't be too interested in that.

>>723117274
Glad to see you here drawanon!
Take all the time you need! There's no rush!
I'm sure whatever you end up drawing is going to look great!
You martlet arts have been a treat to see.

>>723117936
His problem is that he took edge cases and firmly insisted everyone was like that. Yes there are weirdos out there, but not everyone wanted to fuck their mother and kill their father.

>>723117661
Was this meant to be a reply to someone?

>>723116382
UPDATE:
All of the original tweets were deleted though some of their art is still up on BlueSky.
Unfortunately, there's still a number of posts featuring Ceroba that were only posted on Twitter, like pic.
I still encourage anons to post whatever art they have of Ceroba from this artist, if any.

>>723117661
>while something like yellow just seems to more directly derive from furry subculture stuff with its designs
This is a problem with most fangames, they usually have conventionally attractive furries as their main monsters, they even use generic furry species like cats and wolves, which is very disappointing when monsters can be literally anything

>>723118080
do tell

>>723118080
i am interested

>>723118026
>then all he has to do is effectively softlock Frisk into a situation where their power can't override his, and where they can't proceed any further
Nta, but I don't think he can. Determination is the power to change fate, the power to reach the end. Asriel simply wouldn't be able to put him in a softlock because the plot will always twist in such a way that its possible for the player to win.

>>723117998
>There's a lot of explanations for the Knight's appearance aside from "works for Gaster".
I think some of those interpretations may or may not end up working out, but I think it's probably generally safe to assume there's some sort of direct connection to Gaster, especially given how they're the only enemy Gaster has really specific dialogue for.
My interpretation of things is that The Knight works for Gaster in the sense that they're a pawn Gaster uses for his own purposes, but that Gaster isn't above disposing of them by having them build up another person's power, which he may or may not be doing for the sake of having that other person replace the current Knight as his servant.
A bit like how The Handmaid worked for Doc Scratch to fulfill his (or technically Lord English's) goals, but he was also willing to have her killed fighting the person who would effectively become her replacement, The Condescension.
Whatever ends up actually being the case, I think we can all agree that The Knight has at least a little bit of whatever power Gaster has, to be able to make their fight a loss by default unless you manually go back, since Gaster also seems to have the kind of power to override even the player's abilities.

>>723118026
>It's not my "way of thinking", I'm just backing up what I'm saying with in-game evidence, and that's too much for your argument to overcome.
no, Im not being drawn back in. I presented detailed arguments against what you have said, we fundamentally do not agree in the way we think. I am only upset in the sense that this was a waste of time, we have gained nothing from this. this was not a productive argument, this was not two people learning more about the opposing persons side, this was not debate. it was just exhausting because we fundamentally do not agree and you approach it from a very condescending angle.I think you are wrong, I have explained why I think you are wrong, I disagree with your counterpoints, and we are going in circles. this tells me that we do not think about any of this information in a congruent way and this conversation stopped being enjoyable. Just as you feel that none of your points have been taken apart by what I've said, I feel the same way about what I've said.

>>723118276
you could probably find more of their art if you searched their name on reddit

>>723117274
Honestly with how you drew the unbirth images with Martlet and Zenith, it was actually interesting to think about how it worked and the effect it could have on Clover, as well as what it was like for them.

>>723117661
and this is a problem because?

>>723118476
To be fair, Undertale just had a fish, a lizard, and mimigas with horns as its main monsters. The only non-furries were skeletons, and a human looking Tumblr sexy-man.

The key isn't the species, its how you draw them. We see that Undertale has wolves and cats, but they fit the goofy style.

why does the unbirthing fetishist reply to himself so much?

>>723118759
as much as I dislike unbirthing, based on the quality of the art I'd imagine a lot of the replies are genuine.

>>723118759
You'd be surprised by how many furfags and degenerates like UTY and Undertale in general.

>>723118550
Eh, maybe. We already know there are certain circumstances where the player absolutely cannot get what they want, such as how it's impossible to spare Sans and live, or how you can't ever kill Alphys directly, etc. The ability to load back to a certain point in time as many times as you want doesn't mean you can do anything you want, it just means you have an indefinite amount of tries to do anything that's actually possible.
If Flowey just arranged a situation properly, he could easily have trapped Frisk in a deathloop in some random empty hallway where no one was around to help, and all he would've had to do is wait for Frisk (or you) to get frustrated and give up.
I'm not looking to argue this one, I'm just saying in-game evidence suggests it's possible.

>>723118560
I don't we can take any of that for granted. Remember that we also used to think Gaster was going around giving people shadow crystals to turn them into schizos, but now it could just as easily be the knight.

Even if there is a connection, that doesn't have to mean the Knight is working for him.

I just think you're taking this as confirmed fact too early and trying to use it as evidence for other claims when you shouldn't.

New home women buy dildos
Wild East girls make do

>>723118918
The way to get past Sans is to kill him or reset and do a different route. The most Flowey can do is never fight (you). That's the only way he'll never lose.

>>723118739
>fish, a lizard
and in fangames you don't even get non-mammal furries, it's true that its has more to do with the artstyle than the species, but I still find it disappointing how they go with the most safe and generic anthros

>>723118520
>>723118549
"A Kitsune's Warmth", by "TheTakenCatKing" over on AO3. Gentle femdom aside, it's largely just some nice, loving, caring intimacy.
I guess "comfy" depends on what you're into, but I thought it was pretty nice, but that might just be a me thing.

>>723119096
By fangames you mean Yellow, since the others (at least what we've seen of them) seem to actually try to vary their casts.

>>723118759
As weird as it is, the replies are likely genuine, as the art is actually very popular, and the anon's art tends to make the threads more lively.
Not to mention a lot people actually like this stuff believe it or not.

>>723119096
naranja has a fire girl and a slime sea slug and I want to fuck both of them

>>723118948
>that doesn't have to mean the Knight is working for him.
Well yeah, that's why I said "whatever ends up actually being the case" right after. I know The Knight could just as easily be doing their own thing, I'm just saying Gaster and The Knight's powers seem pretty related, so it doesn't feel like a stretch to say that Gaster could have some kind of power capable of actually countering the player's powers.
Plus, (assuming Gaster is in fact the man seen in the vessel creation screen as well as in the game over text) Gaster also seems to have been responsible for "connecting" you to the world of DR to begin with, as evidenced by his first dialogue when you load up the game for the first time, so maybe he also has the power to disconnect us too.
Not fully supported, maybe, but I'd say there's more water to the idea that Gaster is an extremely power being than there is to the idea that Asriel was actually as power as he claimed to be.

>>723118759
death drive

>>723118759
This is one of those rare case where the replies are likely to be genuine.

>>723117274
Don't sweat the waiting. Just work at your own pace.

>>723118564
>no, Im not being drawn back in.
Then quit responding?
Really, the issue you're having here is that you're simply refusing to understand the real implications of what you're saying, and how that causes problems when put under literally any amount of scrutiny.
I myself don't even want to continue arguing, but I really feel like it's worth pointing out that I was citing specific examples of Asriel having limits on his power, or of specific problems that arise if he really was as powerful as you argued he was, while your only argument against me was "the game didn't say he *couldn't do it, therefore he absolutely can*, when nothing presented either in-game or in any official external media ever so much as hinted at the idea that what you're saying was even remotely possible and not the most ass-backwards mental gymnastics the world has ever seen.
Unironically, if you had just said "i know the game doesn't say anything about that but Toby told me to imagine™", that would've been fine, because it would've been an obvious creative liberty for the sake of telling an otherwise interesting story, and that's perfectly fine. The issue only came up when you insisted on justifying something that really didn't need an explanation with something that made absolutely no sense, while vehemently saying that it was all perfectly canon because of some lore you clearly didn't understand.
While I still think the idea has merit, if this is the kind of reading comprehension you're bringing to the table, I'm not convinced you're the man for the job.

Doe knight

>>723119681
Let me know what you think of it, there isn't a whole lot of NSFW Ceroba fics out there, at least where something horrible isn't happening, so it's nice to be able to share one of the small handful of good ones.
>inb4 someone accuses me of being the fic author
No, I'm just another anon in love with the fox lady, that's all there is to it.

>>723119534
I agree Gaster is probably more powerful than Asriel, but that power isn't from physical strength but knowledge. He knows just the right parts of the world to poke at and how to do it to get what he wants. Asriel just had brute strength. Gaster's power (I think) comes from the same source as Sans's. Which is why it behaves differently than we see the power Asriel, Undyne, and Asgore use. His power might have more of an effect on you, but that's not so much because its stronger as its because its a much better counter to yours.

Even then, depending on how meta aware Gaster is (and where Toby takes the plot), he may know that even he is ultimately helpless against you. Since nothing is stopping you from writing an ending where loses or modding the game so that you win.

>>723117274
Any chance you could tell us which ideas ended up being picked, if that's alright?
Alternatively, could you tell us what sorts of ideas you absolutely *won't* do, so we can know what not to suggest in the future?

>>723120234
the guy's a bit too much of a goober in my humble opinion but it's nice aside from that

>>723120003
>Then quit responding?
I was attempting to end this on a different note. if you would like to reply again to this reply then to have the last word, then I wont complain, but I was trying to lay out how I was feeling on the matter of the discussion itself. I read your post there, I still do not agree with it, the assertions, the approach you thing that I should have described this from. I dont think any of that was necesarry, and I dont think we're going to see eye to eye on this. you want a concession that I simply do not see a reason to make, and you are and have been tremendously condescending about it from start to finish. By any chance are you the person who brings up arguments about when people think ceroba was trying to save kanako at the end of yellow?

>>723120340
>Gaster's power (I think) comes from the same source as Sans's.
I think it may be more accurate to say that Sans' power comes from the same place as Gaster's, if not from Gaster himself somehow.
They are "Gaster Blasters" and not "Sans Blasters", after all.
>His power might have more of an effect on you, but that's not so much because its stronger as its because its a much better counter to yours.
That's what I was getting at, the idea of Gaster being a better counter to the player by virtue of just being able to shut you down entirely. He doesn't need to lower your HP if he can just sever your connection to his world entirely, which he may or may not be able to do.
This is all just conjecture of course, but it makes for more interesting speculation than that other nonsense.
>ince nothing is stopping you from writing an ending where loses or modding the game so that you win.
Maybe, but if Gaster's aware of other worlds, even within the context of his own, he may also realize that any mods or fangames or alternate endings you may write to try and get your way would ultimately be their own separate worlds from the one he inhabits, so he may not care too much what you do with them, as long as he has power over his own.

>>723120656
>I was attempting to end this on a different note. if you would like to reply again to this reply then to have the last word
I literally just gave you an out with that, only for you to jump back in because *you* wanted to have the last word.
Really, it's a very apt metaphor for the argument itself, with you refusing to listen to what I'm saying while you accuse me of doing the very same things you're doing yourself.

>>723120760
>so he may not care too much what you do with them, as long as he has power over his own.
At that point that's not really defeating you as much as it is simply being out of your way. Which is really the same in principle as what Flowey would need to do to win. The only difference is that he wins too in that scenario.

>>723120454
That's fair, but sometimes getting to be vulnerable with someone like that means you have to be a bit of a goober.
A tragedy for anyone who wants to take themself a bit more seriously than that, but a small price to pay in the end.

>>723120941
>At that point that's not really defeating you as much as it is simply being out of your way.
That kinda just depends on what constitutes "defeat" in this case. If you're someone who wants to control and play with the world of DR to their heart's content, being forcibly removed from it and forced to make up for it with your own recreations, fully aware that they aren't the real thing, then that could certainly be a form of defeat, and a rather poetic one at that.
Mostly I just think Gaster's goals are probably so big-picture that the player themself just isn't really capable of directly threatening them, since the player themself probably just isn't a factor in whether or not Gaster's goals can be considered "achieved" or not, whereas Flowey had a much more personal interest in the player.

>>723120963
understandable, I thought it was good still

>>723121176
Glad I could share it with you, maybe more people seeing it will eventually get someone's gears turning, and we'll see another one like it some day.

>>723111565
Deltarune is in the phase where everything was already talked about, so if threads are gonna be about random furry waifu shit I'd prefer threads with more attractive designs

>>723120124
Buck ""Knight""

So here's one of the requests all drawn out!
A nude Martlet:
https://files.catbox.moe/2x21kk.png

>>723114509
My thing with Deltarune is I don't like Noelle too much, and the game seems to be heading in the direction where the dark worlds are taking a backseat to the deer family issues and Suselle

>>723121171
>Mostly I just think Gaster's goals are probably so big-picture that the player themself just isn't really capable of directly threatening them, since the player themself probably just isn't a factor in whether or not Gaster's goals can be considered "achieved" or not
Clearly he is, or Gaster wouldn't have bothered bringing you into "his Deltarune" in the first place.

>>723121451
Great stuff as always, and damn, I still envy that lineart.
Mind saying what program/brushes you use? There really is such a nice thickness to your lineart, it gives the image a good weight to it, if that makes sense.

>>723121451
You never fail to impress. Martlet looks very attractive here!

>>723121451
The titular tit's tits

>>723121571
Yes, but moreso in the sense that he just needs *someone* to progress the story in the world of DR, not that it has to be (you) specifically.
You exist to further his agenda, whatever that may be, but on a personal level, you probably aren't too important to him at the end of the day, hence why he'll nudge you in the right direction when it comes to beating The Knight, but is also fine with you having your ass kicked and failing miserably.

>>723121451
boobies...

>>723121451
now we're talkin

>>723121775
>Yes, but moreso in the sense that he just needs *someone* to progress the story in the world of DR, not that it has to be (you) specifically.
First of all, who else could that someone even be? Only (you) have that level of protagonist, and exist independent of the game world.

Second, I don't think we can say that for certain. Maybe he's (you)r biggest fan, and wants to show off his cool world and adventure to (you) by having (you) adventure through it. And him refusing to intervene for most of it is him trying his best not to spoil the experience.

>>723121591
Thank you for the complements.
I use the free art program Krita. It's really good for digital art!
As for brushes, I just use the default ones.

>>723097157
nah tragedy is kino

>>723121451
You're doing gods work by drawing Martlet so well here.

>>723122069
>Only (you) have that level of protagonist, and exist independent of the game world.
Easy, someone else who exists independent of the game's world. Another player. If Gaster doesn't like how you're handling things, maybe he could just boot you out and "connect" to someone else, the way he did with you. If he's aware of your nature, as he seems to be, then he's most likely aware of others like you, so you're likely little more than a disposable tool to him, albeit one he can be friendly towards if he feels like it.

Sure, we can't say for certain how exactly he feels about us, or what his plan for us actually is, but he definitely operates at a pretty different angle than Flowey was.

>>723122083
Mind saying which default brushes?
I've been experimenting with how I use Krita too a bit lately, I'd just like to have some ideas for other brushes to try out that I might not have been using, if that's alright.

>>723121451
>https://files.catbox.moe/2x21kk.png
George Lucas fuck offf

>>723122392
Quite literally the default brushes. As in the inking pens and brushes that are already there when you install the program.
Everyone uses different brushes and pens, to suit their personal preference, so you just have try out them out, make a note of which ones you like, and then try to use them in your drawings.

>>723122493
"Where did the humanoid snake people get their humanoid breasts from?" "Probably the same place as their humanoid torso idiot."

>>723122684
I was moreso asking which of the brushes that come with the program by default were used to make this image specifically, but I get what you're saying here, I'll not press it any further.

>>723122813
The basic pens and brushes. As in they're quite literally called the basic brush, basic pen etc...

>>723121451
Once again, great stuff!
You really know how to make Martlet look attractive.
Especially with her well endowed melons.

>>723123154
Ah, I see.
Anyway, great work as always, thanks for bringing some more life back to these threads again.

>>723118602
I'm still curious as to what happens to Clover's body in any of those cases.
The body still retains some of the essence of a person's being, so even if their soul was converted and given a new monster body, that still leaves another version of Clover in their old human body, just without a soul.
I wanna know how they'd handle that.
I think a lot of people would be pretty pissed off if they got split off from the main version of themself, just because they wanted to be shoved up some bird's cloaca.

>>723123942
I would assume it dies, since that's what it did every other time it was separated from its soul.

>>723124120
Maybe, but we know from Kris and Chara that not having a soul inside your body isn't necessarily a death sentence, at least not right away, and not even necessarily permanently, so it's possible the original body could still live on if it's determined enough.

Greetings from the Deltarune thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEMpLyFJ8wI

>>723123942
Well there's the human body and there's the soul which contains their essence of being.
The body is pretty much a vessel for the soul, so if it's removed from the body, it's pretty much a lifeless husk.
Thus if a soul is converted and made to inhabit a new monster body, that's the new body.
The old body would kind of just be there. There wouldn't be two versions of Clover.

>>723124425
Not true, as Chara and Kris both retain their own consciousnesses even without their souls, implying that the consciousness in UTDR is split across the body and soul, like Kingdom Hearts.
Chara retains their mind and agency even though we know their soul is long gone, vanished when Asriel bit the dust all those years ago, and Kris retains their agency without a soul inside them either, so there's clearly a bit more nuance to the matter than a soul being the entirety of a person's being.

>>723124346
let me guess, jannies nuked the deltarune thread?

I SAY BARRIER YOU SAY SORRY!

BARRIER!

>>723124628
Deltarune appears to follow different rules so you can't really use what happens in that game, as a comparison to stuff that happens in Undertale. Kris's situation is very different from Chara's.

As for Chara, there body wasn't moving on it's own without their soul, and ultimately only came back to life, through otherworldly powers thanks to the players actions in Genocide. If the player doesn't do a Genocide, they remain dead, and their body continues to be a lifeless husk without a soul.

Say, going off the interpretation that a machine can be eventually be considered a living being on par with a human or monster, do you think it would've been possible to create an artificial vessel for the human souls by making a Helios-esque AI designed to use the human souls' power combined with an impartial, logical mind, so that the power could be used responsibly?
I could see that being the basis for an interesting alternate take on UT, where the plan is for monsterkind to effectively build a machine-god powered by the human souls to get what they want, instead of having Asgore or someone who's mind is vulnerable to corruption take on that responsibility.

>>723120124
Soul Knight.

>>723123942
A more interesting question is what does Clover go through while their soul is within Martlet or Zenith, and essentially gets remade, to where it in hahabits a monster body.
What's it like when it's forced, or when it's willing

>>723125446
Nope. It actually lived a full life.

>>723125525
Maybe, but Flowey also works as an example here. A monster's body turns to dust when they die, but that dust is still considered to carry some of the monster's essence, as we know when reading about monster funeral traditions, and as we clearly see with Flowey. Asriel's soul was destroyed when he died, but his dust was scattered on the flowers in Asgore's garden, meaning the flower that was eventually injected with determination and that would eventually become Flowey only held the essence of Asriel's body, not his soul, meaning the essence of a person, human or monster, still partly exists in their body.
Also, even if Chara's physical awakening happened for more specific reasons, they are ultimate still a living body without a soul, which still supports my argument.
Kris also still works as supporting evidence here, since they're still a living human body with no soul. The actual mechanics of how things work in DR is different from UT, but we know for a fact based on chapter 4 that monsters still turn to dust when they die, and that similar situations to Flowey can occur, as was the case with Gerson. That right there is proof that the essence of a monster is still held within their dust, at least partially, so it's probably safe to assume the division between body and soul in DR works about the same way it does in UT.

>>723125530
Who's to say the machine wouldn't be more prone to corruption than a monster? Souls are living things too, after all, with their own wills, and are capable on influencing their host.

As a side note, I feel like this is what Chujin would do if he were king.

>>723126037
I don't think Chara has a body either. He's more of a narrative ghost willed back into being by you.

>>723126264
"I should regulate human affairs precisely because I lack all ambition, whereas human beings are prey to it.".
The influence of the souls themselves didn't seem to be too much of a factor in the fight against Asriel, but they were the primary method of defeating Photoshop Flowey. I believe this may be indicative of the idea of some kind of homeostasis that exists only when someone has the power of seven human souls, the souls seem to simply balance themselves out, allowing their power to be freely wielded by their host without any resistance. If this was the case, a properly designed, logical, and impartial mind could potentially be created artificially, and given the power of seven human souls, might make for the perfect societal ruler, once spoken of by Alexis de Tocqueville. A ruler that could understand any problem in it's entirety, both impartially and at a glance.
Granted, I'm not sure anyone in the underground would be capable of creating such a mind, but I think the idea in general could be feasible.

Can you make one nsfw of clover fucking martlet???

>>723115586
cover up the footprints hit a very special place in my heart by the end

Can you make one nsfw of clover with martlet???

>>723126794
Seems like a pretty big assumption to make. The exact kind that Chujin would make.

>>723127016
I forgot to continue reading shattered decade today, but that just means I have something to do this week.

>>723113867
Fans actually loved the first game, because it was good, especially story wise, but then it was turned into a trilogy that's full of of shonen tropes and misery porn Japanese folks like so much.

>>723126873
Are you asking yourself that?

How can I make request???

How I reply someone???

>>723127165
Maybe you did. I did not care for it.

As a side note, I remember when some anon was discussing the idea saving Kanako by putting her in the DT extractor, and I instantly thought of the soul canon pov sequence from the manga.

>>723127148
I feel like this has a little more going for it, at least in the context of UTY where a robot can actually be considered alive, and therefore a potential vessel for a soul.
The primary problem to be addressed lies in the creation of the artificial mind itself, and as I said, I'm not sure I trust the scientific capabilities of anyone in the underground enough to make the host mind for this system. God knows Chujin certainly couldn't, and Alphys has no experience with AI whatsoever, so she's not cut out for this either.

How I make furry woman real???

>>723127246
You reply to the person you're requesting, how do you not know this?

>>723127426
>I remember when some anon was discussing the idea saving Kanako by putting her in the DT extractor
Not the anon you were replying to, but I am the anon you're talking about right here.
To anyone keeping track, yes, I do still plan on drawing a thing about that, I'm just very busy.

723127201
I think he was talking with other guy

>>723127431
I was talking about the homeostasis part.

>>723127478
I can respect you trying to answer that guy's question in something resembling good faith, but I'm pretty sure that guy's trolling.

Thats a good question

>>723125446
Nah, it was pretty spammy but the jannies didn't nuke it this time.

>>723125519
I'm fucking your daughter.
>t. Cole

I gonna be honest I don't like kanaclover

i gotta be honest i want to fuck the whole ketsukane family in the ass

>>723127549
Oh, that.
Well, we only ever get the chance to directly see multiple human souls absorbed by a single person twice, but I think we can make some interesting observations based on those two instances, even if they might not be enough to form a scientifically rigorous data set.
The six souls wielded by Flowey were much more unstable as he was using them, with them seemingly defying his control at random intervals, interfacing directly with Frisk's soul, and eventually turning against him after developing more of their own agency. By contrast, the six souls in addition to the effective power of a seventh human soul obtained by absorbing the souls of all the monsters in the underground seemed much more stable for Asriel, with his power never being overridden by anyone other than the player, and we've been over that already. Yes, Frisk was able to interface with the "lost souls" during the fight, but those were only the souls of people they developed a particularly close connection to over the course of their journey, and ultimately breaking Asriel's control over them did little to affect his actual ability to use their combined power. Asriel only lost his power once he gave it up willingly, and that had nothing to do with "saving" the lost souls, it was a direct emotional appeal to him specifically that resulted in him standing down.
Obviously in a scientific sense we'd need multiple data points before jumping to a solid conclusion, but I'd say there might be something to the idea of a homeostasis when it comes to handling the power of seven human souls.

>>723127950
0-0

i gotta be honest i want to marry both ceroba and chujin

>>723121451
You still accepting request???

>>723127950
Is this the way the thread hits the bump limit?
Not with active discussion, but with some guy spewing random bullshit while not actually replying to anyone about anything?

>>723128131
But he cant start other discussin???

>>723127524
Here is an accurate rendition of what would happen to her if you did that.

Oh yeah, and spoilers for Fuga and cartoon gore warning

>>723128043
>A THROUPLE, A THROUPLE, A THROUPLE WE'LL BE!

>>723127472
You just have to IMAGINE

>>723128435
you're forgetting about someone

>>723127016
cole running ninetales is important lore

>>723128529
Man I dont like kanaklover

>>723128131
Don't reply to spammers, anon

>>723128585
why?

>>723128585
yeah we know you're gay

>>723096106
General lack of IQ

>>723128618
I think is forced because they never interact with each other

>>723128401
>Here is an accurate rendition of what would happen to her if you did that.
Maybe if *you* did that, I on the other hand actually know what I'm doing.
No, we're not repeating the /vrpg/ thread from 2-3 months ago, just go read it in the archives if you're so damned curious.

>>723128919
berdly and martlet have too few dedicated images

>>723128909
sucks to be you I guess, I've been eatin' gud lately

>>723129061
I think these are all i've got personally yeah

>>723129084
I think is better clover and martlet

>>723129201
i think marlet fucking sucks ass

>>723128909
I would agree on base uty, I like shattered decade and dry for that reason

>>723129253
please now anon, dont let a shitposting retard spur you towards hatred! look, I even have all 3 of them in one image!

>>723129305
no more brother wars

>>723129305
but i've always hated her though

>>723129394
that's unfortunate, I find them all to be pretty great

>>723129372
>kanako in church choir

i wonder if the hometown ward and the drytown ward would come together for like potlucks or luaus or something

>>723129478
perhaps on the condition that she doesn't sing

>>723129421
This art sucks because it is "feathered mask"

>>723129584
I dont know what the fuck that is, but the art is cute at face value

>>723128616
I mean the issue is it might be THAT guy, he was sperging out earlier since people had a Deltarune thread without him and he had his whole "I hate the yellowfags and yagi fags because they don't like me" bs. Hopefully he fucked off and is shitting up the other deltarune thread in the catalog rn.

>>723129039
That was one of the more fun ones. Honestly it should be a model for how this sort of discussion goes. Instead of getting mad and yelling at each other through the keyboard, we just start larping as characters from the game.

>>723129652
martlet x ceroba

martlet dates her dead teacher's wife
very cool...

>>723129061
Sig did one last week

So is gamejolt still the "go to" place for getting fan games and stuff?

>>723129657
due to the odd syntax of certain posts I think they are still around, but it is irrelevant. if they are going to be here whether they get attention or not then its best they don't get attention

>>723129657
Don't acknowledge spammers at all

>>723129767
yes

>>723129734
it is kinda implied in 1000 years I love you they might have been romantically involved before they had a falling out

>>723129705
Oh I wasn't even trying to larp, I was just really into the idea. I think UT has some of the more interesting esoteric mechanics like that, and I really like analyzing how they could work and be exploited.
If I was in the underground, and somehow wasn't killed for being a human, I'd love to be a scientist and work with the weird shit they have down there. I think I'd either be really successful, or end up getting Gaster'd by the end of the first week.
Anyway yes, I genuinely think my plan to inject myself with enough DT to gain control of the timeline, try and extract the corrupted integrity sample from Kanako using the DT extractor, and just savescum whenever something goes wrong, could actually work.
And I'm still gonna draw that comic or whatever I said I'd draw of an anon actually doing it and getting to live happily ever after with Ceroba and Kanako.
Whatever it takes.

>>723129101
Imagine all your friends and family dying, so the only person you have left is Berdly.

>>723129942
Thanks

>>723129734
This is one of the reasons why i hate the other one is because the both AREN'T LESBIANS(CEROBA MARIED CHUJIN AND WHEN THE GAME SAY ABOUT OTHER POSIBLE BOYFRIEND IS STARLO ALSO MARTLET DOSEN'T CARE ABOUT CEROBA'S DEATH AND THINK IT WAS JUST)

>>723129764
every time I see this art style I think of a comic I saw on iFunny where a guy says something like "GAW DAYUM HER TITS ARE HUGE!!!"

>>723130010
damn its such a shame that berdly died in that tragic accident as well!

>>723129985
Where???

>>723129985
I think that fic's unrelated to the artpiece mentioned?...

>>723130035
its the girl equivalent of corn yaoi. no connective tissue, just two characters existing and thus pairing

>>723129657
>i'm the deltarune thread cancer because i said i want to fuck the whole fox family in the ass
????

>>723127165
On the subject of the series, I'm planning on putting a Solatorobo inspired section into my fangame. Complete with sky islands and French canines.

>>723127795
I can hear the pressure of the last pannel.

>>723128401
Fuck "spoilers", pussy.

Honestly I like clover with martlet

>>723130268
is it a deltarune fangame?

>>723129986
>He really is Chujin
Well at least you can be happy knowing that you are Roba's type.

I am looking forward to that comic. You have to give your self insert goggles to complete the joke though.

>>723130085
berdly's sister kinda hot

>>723129652
Not relevant to anything right now, but when I started drawing this based on the request prompt I was given, "dry martlet zonked out", I genuinely didn't know if they wanted her passed out peacefully, or like, with a frying pan.
Guess it's a good thing I asked for clarification in the /vrpg/, huh?

>>723130531
Undertale fangame.

>>723130594
she is berdly's aunt

>>723130705
there is a floating island continent in oldentale?

>>723130547
>Well at least you can be happy knowing that you are Roba's type.
Hey than- Hey!

Joking aside, people in that thread were either saying that I was just like Chujin, or just like Cave Johnson. I'm not sure which one is worse, but I guess Cave's creations were probably more useful in the long run. At least, the Combine certainly seem to think so.

Anyway yeah, I'd like to get around to making that comic before the end of the year, but trying to give an actual estimate is playing with fire.
At least my current project is nearly finished, then I can keep going down the list.

>>723130594
I really like the idea of them being siblings. It explains so much about their characters.

>>723130732
>there is a floating island continent in oldentale?
Not a whole continent, just the one upside down city haphazardly chained to the ground to keep it from falling into space.

>>723130732
MARTLET IS A YOUNG ADULT WITH LESS THAN 25 YEARS

>>723130763
>current project
wait, are also that e6 artist that took that Shu as Mr Satan req?

>>723130943
A man of many things, I am.
Unfortunately, I've never been a man of much time, which leaves my completion speed for these projects somewhat glacial.
Nevertheless, I continue forth.

>>723130763
Cave Johnson is way worse than Chujin. All he ever did was kill and maim people in horrible experiments. None of his products ever actually got released. Meanwhile the worst Chujin did was kill himself and leave his retarded wife in charge of his projects (which is something Cave also did)

>>723130767
I like the one pic that ran with it

>>723131159
>None of his products ever actually got released.
The portal gun and the Borealis beg to differ.
>(which is something Cave also did)
Caroline wasn't mentally disabled in any way, she was actually rather smart, she just went insane being forcibly put into a mechanical body with no way to die, as we see a parallel to in the Perpetual Testing Initiative audio, where we see a universe where Cave actually had the project completed for himself, uploaded his mind into it, and went completely violently insane in less than a single actual minute.
Apparently the problem was that uploaded minds tend to get bored really easily, and the total sum of all human media ever created is only enough to keep them occupied for less than a second, with how fast they can process information. Hence those little personality cores they had attached to Glados in Portal 1, gotta keep her mind nice and foggy so she doesn't start killing people again.

Anyway, point is, the Borealis is worth more than Axis is, just ask the Advisors.

>>723131372
>The portal gun and the Borealis beg to differ.
Those never got released. The wider world never knew they existed, that's why Aperture went bankrupt. He just kept refining it for decades without ever letting anyone see it, meanwhile Black Mesa was selling their inferior portal tech to the government before it was even functional

The Borealis didn't even go to the artic by sea, it was sent there in a teleportation accident.

>Caroline wasn't mentally disabled in any way
She sounded dumb as hell in her few spoken lines. She merely became smart after years of being an AI.

I've heard a theory before that all the AIs we meet in Portal 2 actually didn't go insane due to their incredible knowledge, but due to being absolute morons suddenly inundated with more knowledge than they could ever comprehend.

>Anyway, point is, the Borealis is worth more than Axis is, just ask the Advisors.
He also didn't invent anything aside from shower curtains. All the science stuff was made by his lab boys.

>>723131678
>She sounded dumb as hell in her few spoken lines.
That's only because she was probably following some dumb script for those pre-recorded messages, that's not really a fair assessment of her intelligence.
>The Borealis didn't even go to the artic by sea, it was sent there in a teleportation accident.
yeah, but the tech's still impressive, even if the first iteration of it was wonky. Useful too, again, hence why the Combine want it so badly. Cave Johnson had his guys crack something a multi-dimensional empire couldn't figure out, that's pretty big.
>He also didn't invent anything aside from shower curtains. All the science stuff was made by his lab boys.
Meh, I'd bet he had some bigger level of involvement than what we see/hear in-game, and there's an argument to be made for his intelligence too. While potentially not strictly canon, PTI audio also shows us a universe where Cave managed to buy out Black Mesa, and he actually shut down the anomalous materials department and the experiment from Half-Life because he knew how dangerous a resonance cascade would've been, so I think he knows his stuff.
Also, maybe those shower curtains were really nice shut up you don't know.

So I'm not really sure what Deltarune Yellow I should be checking out on gamejolt, there's a bunch
>>723129657
I don't want to make a big deal out of this but if that ralsei thread earlier was that guy, and the whole "I'm so Ralsei I want my femboy fembussy pounded tee hee" was really fucking offputting if that was like supposed to be an attempt at emulating what Yagi would be like, it was honestly so gross I threw up in my mouth.

>>723132070
NTA, but is this like an ongoing thing?
Who the fuck even is this "Yagi" guy, is he a guy in one of these threads? I didn't think there were any namefags in the last few threads, what's this about?

>>723132070
this https://gamejolt.com/games/deltaruneyellow/981988 is DRYanon1'a project. not uploaded by him, the uploader is known here as gamejolt anon. he's got one and a half chapters out and is working on a major revamp.
this https://gamejolt.com/games/deltaruneyellow/888982 is DRYanon2's project. he (me) is incredibly lazy but hopes to have a demo out before the end of the year (wont happen, probably)

>>723132202
Kinda, it sort of depends on what we're defining as "ongoing". I don't want to make a super long post so I'll link a good explanation here: >>723055390
Yagi doesn't post here at all, the guy I'm talking about that I think made some of the Ralsei posts in a deltarune thread today really hates yagi and undertale yellow and has been spamming threads really bad and obviously, with some people thinking he's being protected by /v/'s admins.
Again, I'd rather this not be a big thing so if you could help me figure out which Deltarune Yellow is the right one to play instead that'd be appreciated.

>>723131961
That was alternate universe Cave Johnson, from the universe where he didn't kill himself by spending his last dime on moon rock dust. And even then he was still doing an inter-dimensional con-job to get free test chambers instead of using the dimension hopping tech for something actually profitable or that actually benefitted humanity.

I can accept that maybe Caroline wasn't actually retarded, but Cave "turn people's blood into gasoline just to see what happens" Johnson most certainly is a moron.

>>723132373
Oh thanks man, I'll bookmark both of them good luck working on the game and I believe in you.

>>723132476
>Cave "turn people's blood into gasoline just to see what happens" Johnson most certainly is a moron.
Okay, but you can't say he wasn't a scientist, because that is some real hard science right there.
Going where no man has gone before, answering the questions few others dare to even ask, that's science.
Also, don't forget the mantis men, he also did that.

>>723132436
Okay, so, from what I read there, some guy has been making fun of some random kid who matches the description of some guy shitposting about some creepypasta-tier internet rumor?
Why? Not just why as in like, why is that guy doing that but, more generally, why is any of this a thing? This seems really dumb.

>>723132854
Why do any ritual threadshitters do what they do? No one knows

>>723132854
It's less like "making fun of him" more like "attempting to mimic what he'd be like for positive attention in a really creepy way"
I'm not exactly sure why he's so angry about Yagi (or Undertale Yellow) but he is.
The Yagi thing is a separate thing that's been going for around 8 years.
I'm thinking maybe it's because he doesn't realize he's an annoying offputting spammer.

>>723133112
So this is just some weird crazy guy who's gotten fixated on some dumb bullshit who's decided to make that everyone else's problem?
Well, as long as he isn't here, whatever.

>>723133046
Do you see her, anon? Do you see your waifu?

>>723133184
Kinda, it's sort of like /vg/ sort of autism and I'm pretty sure he's here because of some pretty specific vocabulary he uses whenever people are saying they don't like him, or people are discussing something he doesn't like

>>723133241
I'm... I visualiziiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

I'm bored, what fetishes do you guys think the various UTY characters would have?
Let's exclude Clover and Kanako from this topic, if for not other reason than because that's something of a tired subject in these threads.

>>723133838
>Ceroba
Nerds, specifically guys in glasses that like to ramble about shit that is absolutely beyond her. Older men.
>Starlo
Girls that could kick his ass. Cowboy roleplay in the bedroom.
>Martlet
hand holding
>Axis
Compactness. Those slim Japanese portables really get his processor hot.
>Dalv

>Flowey
Mentally ill women

>>723134115
Are you implying that there is nothing at all that turns Dalv on at all? Nothing?

>>723134239
Dalv is a nothing character

>>723134391
Ah, I see.
What's up with Flowey being into mentally ill women though, where'd that come from?

>>723134426
I have no clue

>>723134497
Oh.
Yeah, I guess that scans.
Guess that whole list checks out, though I'm not necessarily sure Ceroba's into older men specifically, based on her dialogue it seems as though overall maturity and experience are more important for her than age is.
Yes, I know someone here is gonna twist my words, but I'm too tired to care right now.

>>723134639
>>723134115
Oh, I forgot Chujin
>Chujin
Younger girls

>>723134974
And there it is.

>>723135004
That was my intent from the start, if you somehow didn't catch the "older men" line.

>>723135086
No I saw that, I just assumed you were going at it from a different angle.

>>723135891
That shirt is still ugly as hell

>>723135941
give him a break it's his only shirt

>>723134974
Even if she's one size too small?

>>723136084
No. He may be a groomer, but he snatch from his own cradle.

>>723133112
You were talking to that spammer anon, the reason he hates yagi is because he's a /vg/ posting fag that thinks everyone else samefags.

>>723136456
*but he'd never

I should get some sleep

>>723092345 (OP)
>What are some of your favorite details for devs to actually add to their games?
Enemy databases.
Unique game over lines for each boss.
Unique Dialogue for highly specific situations.

>>723134426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sggmx8vysoc

You know, given how monster anatomy is so different from humans, and monsters seem pretty well aware of this, do you think they'd be surprised at humans having fetishes for body parts only monsters have, or would they expect that?
Like, How do you think Martlet or Ceroba would respond to people wanting to see their paws/talons, or something similar?

>>723118276
Why'd they delete all their images of her?
complaining about sexualization?

>>723138225
I don't know and I'm not going back to check.
Maybe they had a crashout or something and hated the fame that drawing Ceroba brought them.
Whatever the reason, I consider it a waste of talent. Now post more Ceroba.

Man, this place just went out like a light, didn't it?

>>723139519
Damn, I don't think I've seen that one before.
Have you considered making a catbox collection of these, just to keep track of them better in one place?

>>723139526
that always happens at this hour, most people went to bed

>>723133838
Dinas probably into some wild shit. Im not sure what, probably lassos, but just in general shes a freak. Martlet likes praise, or degradation, or both.

I just thought of an AU swap fangame concept. What if, instead of switching all the main characters around, you swapped all the main cast out for random background NPCs or common enemies. So instead of Toriel, you have the ruins dummy, instead of Sans and Papyrus, you have Snowdrake and Chilldrake. instead of Undyne you have Aaron and so on.

Call it randoswap

>>723139576
Eh, I'm too lazy to do a catbox for every image. Plus, I'm 90% sure I don't even have the full collection.
What I'm asking on this thread is for anons to contribute whatever Ceroba art they have from this artist, if it hasn't been posted already. That way my collection hopefully becomes complete.

>>723139593
>fox
>chocolate
Unlike the original, Clover is completely justified here

>>723139742
You know you could upload this stuff to the booru.

>>723136456
>but he snatch from his own cradle.
A freudian slip perhaps...?
https://pastebin.com/QmK5SyC0

>>723139946
No, I just have a tendency to skip words when typing, and I don't catch it when I'm tired. Also, why do you like that fic so much?

>>723139820
Unironically I think if I did the original artist would have a shitfest and might demand to have it taken down
I'm not against someone else uploading them though. Besides, I think I only have one or two images that were truly deleted.

>>723140106
Just put them in a zip and post it in a catbox

Almost 500 posts and not a single person in this thread deserves to live. The world would be a much better place if each and every one of you joined the 41%.
>b-but I'm not a troon I'm just a big Undertroon and Deltatroon fan!
Your parent won't be happy, exactly, when you kill yourself. They will be relieved, though.

>723140421
I'm just here for the fluffy fox girls (also no (You) for you)

>>723140106
I tried checking bluesky for some of the nsfw stuff they did of Ceroba, but unless I'm mistaken, they may have nuked their entire nsfw account there.
A decent bit of Ceroba art can still be found on their main account on bluesky, but if they've been deleting their stuff recently, I wouldn't be surprised if that changes soon.

>>723140941
There's also an nsfw Twitter but it's protected
Oddly enough, they reposted some of their old art with Ceroba only a month ago, so this deletion must've been recent
Their other art is pretty good, I think all of it could be uploaded to e6. But it's really their Ceroba art I'm looking for, and the fact that it's all deleted only makes it more alluring

>>723140421
>"This entire thread must be purged!"
Anon, have you gone mad?

>>723141464
He's a wannabe janny. I'm guessing he got denied a janitor application, so now he's lashing out

>>723140421
we can talk about a videogame you like instead, anon.
what is it that you'd rather see on the videogame board for videogame discussion?

>>723141398
>There's also an nsfw Twitter but it's protected
I've seen that, yes.
I am blocked.
I believe that may be due to me retweeting some of their Ceroba art, while I was unaware of the "don't repost" bit in their bio.
So, that's on me, but in my defense, I almost never read bios ever anyway, so I dunno.

>>723141398
You know what's weird, this is the second time I've seen this happen with Ceroba specifically. The artist @Lexroba used to have a decent bit of nsfw Ceroba art on their twitter account, then one day they up and deleted all the art they made of her, except for one where you can't really tell it's her.
I thought their art was pretty good, but admittedly it was for some very specific tastes, so I doubt anyone else here would've been too into it.
But man, what is it about Ceroba that makes people do this sort of thing?

>>723141398
>I think all of it could be uploaded to e6
If the guy had declared "don't repost" as >>723141549 writes, then it could be sketchy and will definitely get removed if the artist has the will to file a D(o )N(ot )P(ost) request

>>723141532
You should play more games

>>723113807
Man it's been so long since I watched RvB what episode is that?

>>723141921
I checked both accounts and that only applies for their nsfw. Far as I'm concerned, their sfw art (including deleted art) is fair game.
Though yeah, it's a damn shame their nsfw can't be put on any mainstream website. I hope at least someone with access can dump a file of their art on here.

>>723142105
Season 9 episode 20, "Hate to Say Goodbye", particularly this bit: https://youtu.be/fDBNq_3d_S8?list=PL2vBnPCQT4WJMSFpQMsxt5JLsSXE3CLAq&t=256
(if you're the anon who's gonna make something out of this), I imagine the exact context for the green could be whatever, but my own personal idea was Clover being released from Asriel's control and wanting to finally fade away peacefully with their mission finally complete, only to be forced back into their body by their friends who are super happy to have them back, and also completely unaware of how much Clover really doesn't want to be alive again in this scenario. I guess all the other stuff that was talked about surrounding this idea last weekend is also fair game for inclusion if you want to.

What if UTY was meta like UT? What would be different?

>>723121451
Loving the Martlet here drawanon. Great job drawing her tiddies to.

>>723142767
It would be so much further up it's own ass than you can possibly imagine.

>>723142767
We might have gotten a good ending.

>>723142117
I don't think he's gonna nuke the booru if you put it there. I highly doubt he'd even know there is an undertale booru hosted by a bunch of anons.

>>723142117
If you have access to their NSFW, could you put any Ceroba related stuff into a catbox collection or something?
You know, protected account and all, can't see it for myself.
Also, they won't know about their art being in it the way they'd be able to know if their art was on esix or r34 or something, so it's safer. Unless they're in this thread, in which case, uh oh.

>>723125789
I imagine the experience is reminiscent of Meta Flowey, but it depends on the monster, the circumstances, and whether or not Clover us willing or not.
For example we see two examples with Martlet, one where Clover lets it happen, to where we can assume the experience wasn't anything traumatizing for him.
Then there's the Zenith Martlet scenario where it's implied she had to force him into submission, so should could take in his soul, and turn him into a monster, to stop his rampage, while also making him her biological child, likely tempered out.
It's also implied in both scenarios Clover's fully conscious, so it's likely they're experiencing all the changes happening to them.

>>723143697
I wanna see a version where Clover manages to break out of zartlet's womb through a series of shoot 'em up minigames
If Flowey's mind-pussy couldn't keep a lid on Clover, what chance does Martlet have?

>>723143790
That's a sentence I never thought I'd read in my life.

>>723143882
You just need to think outside the cloaca more.

>>723144025
I think you might need to think inside of it less.

>>723144105
Okay but am I wrong though?
If Flowey's mental vagina wasn't a match for Clover, do you really think they couldn't blast their way out of Martlet's pussy, even when it's supercharged with determination?
I can see it now, it'd be just like the minigames where you shoot Flowey's petal's off in the neutral run boss fight, except you're blasting Zartlet's ovaries in different art styles instead, until eventually you break free.
It just makes sense, really.

>>723143790
I think the circumstances are a little different since Martlet's not trying to straight up absorb them in the way that Flowey is, or trying to mind fuck Clover either.
Plus an interesting thing that someone brought up is that, Clover likely only beat Zenith after hundreds maybe thousands of tries, so it's likely under normal circumstances he wouldn't be able to overpower her or prevent himself from being reborn into a monster, especially with all of Martlet's determination.
Also once inside I doubt Clover can break out since he doesn't breakout in the Flowey scenario either. He only resists being absorbed, while enduring all the mind fuckery, and like I mentioned earlier Zenith's not trying to absorb him in that manner.

>>723144332
>lover likely only beat Zenith after hundreds maybe thousands of tries
Yeah, if you SUCK
Even if Clover didn't break out of Flowey directly, they were still able to resist being absorbed by him, and I figure that might not be too different than being forcibly tf'd by bird pussy.
Basically, if Flowey had to reset the timeline because he couldn't vore Clover properly, I feel like someone like Zartlet wouldn't necessarily have that on lockdown either.

>>723144327
A Cervix is a harder seal than flowey’s loose gut sphincters you dummy.

>>723144327
You kind of are since Clover doesn't actually breakout of Flowey's mental torture, they keep resisting until Flowey gets bored.
For all intents and purpose once he's in that state Clover can only resist, there's not much he can aside from that.
And it's likely Martlet would go for a different approach, not to mention geno Clover doesn't actually hate Martlet, so it is possible she could bring him around if given time, to where he can only listen, and not really d much else.

>>723144553
Clover at the end of a geno route is usually a lot more powerful than they are the end of a neutral route, their [BIG SHOT] could absolutely bust their way out of Zartlet's womb, and not to mention their concentrated beam attack.
I can see it working, you just need to trust the plan.

>>723144634
I guess
Flowery mind bussy colon womb just is you know, loose
And you know exactly why
But a martlet cervix is fresh and tight
Then again they were able to nuke asgore so maybe there’s a shot

>>723144695
Okay, but you have to admit the imagery of Clover doing a shoot 'em up minigame against Zartlet's ovaries is pretty funny, c'mon.

>>723144439
Canonically Clover has died like hundreds of thousands of times. So in a fight against Zenith, where he doesn't even know what to expect he's 100% go to die a lot of times.

>>723144695
They could only nuke Asgore at level 20 and not before. The Clover then is still significantly weaker than the Clover that fights Zenith Martlet.

>>723144749
Yeah, but thousands?
Come on now, give them a bit more credit than that.

>>723144749
That death count is based purely on the stuff Flowey desperately spouts out at the end of the Vengeance run.

Would you take Flowey's word for it?
Or is he just saying stuff to fuck with Clover?

>>723144837
We only *see* Clover use their concentrated beam attack on Asgore after killing Zartlet, but we also see them use it on Axis and throughout the fight with Zartlet herself, and it's no joke then either.
Come on, if Clover could force Flowey to have to reset an entire timeline because he just couldn't keep them under control, I think they'd be able to put up a decent fight against Zartlet on the inside.
Plus, I'm no wemen, but I bet being hit in the ovaries with a Kamehameha probably hurts.

>>723144327
Martlet has a determination empowered cervix, and is compassionate monster that genuinely wants Clover to live a better life.
That would be a much more effective seal, and solution, than whatever fuckery Flowey was trying to do.

>>723144982
>determination empowered cervix
That DT boost didn't really do a whole lot for her in-game, I don't think that'd be enough here.
The DT boost was just a flat power level increase, it made her as powerful at the end of the game as it would have if she used it the first time she had a chance to fight Clover, the only difference was that by the time she actually used it, Clover had already surpassed her power level to the point where she just didn't have a chance against them anymore.
Really, Zartlet absorbing Clover's soul like this would be like Buu absorbing Vegito, it would really only give them a chance to attack her directly from the inside, and that's a fight she just can't win.

>>723144847
It's less about about credit, and more we know until Flowey intervened, whenever Clover ventured out into the underground they died.
And we know Flowey's the type of person to reset hundreds or thousands of times to get one specific outcome.
So it's very likely during that fight it wouldn't be inaccurate that Clover potentially died, many many times, even with the power he had in that moment.

>>723144741
Kinda mean to go shooting her eggs

>>723145126
Zartlet's also just gonna melt in a few minutes either way.
Clover could have just left Zartlet behind, and she'd turn into a puddle without even a single shot being fired at her.

>>723145147
Maybe, but there's a difference between fighting a particular person in a specific context as opposed to wandering off into unexplored territory and being jumped by 20 ghjkillion froggits or something.

>>723145182
Maybe she should've thought about that before unbirthing them, now who's the villain?

>>723092345 (OP)
not a thing in project nortubel

>>723145250
Clover doesn’t want a mother who will raise them right, very sad!

>>723142619
>be me
>selfless hero, literal walking incarnation of justice
>sacrifice my SOUL so one day an entire race of furry OCs won’t be trapped underneath a mountain
>aren’t I swell or what
>Flowey absorbs my SOUL and turns into his FINAL FORM™ DO NOT STEAL
>tfw he actually shatters the barrier
>but not before beating the absolute shit out of a toddler
>never change Flowey
>mfw my dumbass plan actually works
>start ascending to the pearly gates
>ready for eternal peace and smug moral superiority
>eyes bloodshot open
>am surrounded by-
>oh sweet merciful God not these people again
>”Clover you’re back!”
>What did you do?
>”The Dreemurr kid shatter the barrier and gave everyone’s SOULs back!”
>But I was at peace. I was supposed to be a martyr! This isn’t just!
>But, deputy he brought you back to life
>That’s the point. Did everybody miss the meaning of my heroic sacrifice?
>Martlet wraps her wing around my shoulders
>How about we get you some hot chocolate?
>grumble.exe
>that’s why you’re the best Martlet

>>723144901
Flowey has no reason to lie to Clover he can just reset and his memory is gone. And even if you don't want to take his word for it there is clearly a reason as to why he steers you away from the default path.

>>723145773
Yeah, fair enough.
Bet that kid's gonna have a thousand yard stare the rest of their life though.
Any idea when you'll take green suggests again next?

>>723146134
Flowey's entire relationship with Clover is based on deceit.
And Flowey cannot reset at that point, as seen by his failed load attempts.

>>723145204
The devs confirmed Marlet would be able to live on as Zenith without issues, if it wasn't for the fact she was fighting Clover and accumulating injuries.
So if Martlet was able to get Clover's Soul inside her, to where she could turn him into a monster, Clover wouldn't be able to do anything or escape.
Martlet would have all the time she needs to what she intends to do.

>>723146147
I can take them now and deliver them for a later thread. Just please remind me.

>>723146208
Yeah but I was referring to the neutral route

>>723146305
Oh, my mistake, was thinking of Vengeance.

>>723146239
Alright. Only real request I think I have right now would be for a similar idea to this one, of Clover being resurrected in front of their friends, but their experience was much more Jaunt-y than typically depicted.
As in, they were wide awake and conscious for the entire time they were stuck in that jar, resets and all, only to be suddenly thrust back into the realm of the living, full of stimuli and experiences and all that garbage.
I want it to be a mess, I don't want anyone involved to be happy about what happens, I want Clover's friends to feel guilty as hell for putting them through this and I want Clover to be complete and utter trainwreck who's one good unsupervised moment away from sending themself straight back to the void.
You know, if that's all alright.
Understandable if not.

>>723146357
No my bad what. I just wanted to say that the things Flowey says in the vengeance route could be true based on what we see in the neutral route.

>>723146208
Flowey can't reset when Clover reaches Lv 20. Before then he can still load and save, but Clover and Zenith Martlet are definitely at the stage to where they can kill him.
A widely accepted fanon is that Martlet's determination is what allows Clover to overpower Flowey's. Likewise if Martlet takes in Clover's Soul, her determination also overpowers Flowey's.
So in either scenario Flowey's fucked.
Only in one scenario Zartlet gives birth to a monster with a human soul and a huge amount natural dt. So he's double fucked.

>>723146505
That put the mental image of Clover snorting Zartlet's dust like crack to get the Determination boost into my head.

>>723128098
I'm drawing some of the requests that were sent to me during the last thread lol
I got a lot more than I expected.

>>723146602
NTA, but which ones ended up catching your eye?

>>723146602
thank you drawchad

>>723120375
I'm not really going to say which ideas are going to be picked, because that defeats the whole purpose.
If I like it, I'll draw it. If I'm not a fan of it I won't. Nothing more, nothing less.
As for will do and won't do's, I'm not going to comment on that, since I don't want anyone to limit their creative ideas.
I trust people can be sensible to request stuff which they know is appropriate, and not cringey even if it involves a certain fetish.

>>723146975
Yeah, that's fair.

>>723145182
>>723145250
The funny thing is Clover is the egg, and he won't be shooting his way out of it.
If anything he'd be empowering the egg Zenith Martlet encased his soul in, making it more durable.

>>723147097
Now, I'm no expert, but best I can tell, shooting things doesn't actually make them stronger