Thread 723102253

Is it a genuine contender for the best game ever made?

No but it's a good game.

>>723102387
fpbp

>>723102253 (OP)
No, no game ever will be like that, is something that is just too subjective to exist but is a really good game.

best metroidvania would be a better discussion.

>HK mogs it and it was only a long ass 7/10
it is impossible that a 2/10 like Shitschlong could ever be a contender

>>723102952
so which boss filtered you, nonny?

>>723103017
the one where you spam the same one move, heal, then spam the same one move again for 3 minutes

>>723103148
so none of them
glad to hear it

>>723103148
why bring up elden ring tho

>>723103193
oh so you got filtered before the one im talking about then
typical

>>723102253 (OP)
It needed a ludokino final boss to end on a high note to be a goat contender. Lost lace is not just mediocre but an actually lame final challenge. Still a wonderful game though.

>>723103148
so all of them

>>723102253 (OP)
Not even close

To be honest the first game is just more memorable. I get there's improvements in this one, some nice atmosphere, a solid soundtrack and improved gameplay but even with all of that, it just doesn't hit the same as the original felt when playing it. It feels to derivative and similar, which is fine I mean it's a sequel but the lack of true originality holds it back significantly.

>>723102253 (OP)
>2d sidescroller garbage
>best anything
Try 1993 if you wanna have a shot at getting a prize with this abyssmal slop

>>723102253 (OP)
Can someone explain the appeal of 2D side-scrollers like Silksong and other pixel-style games? I can appreciate smart design and tight controls, but I struggle with the core feel of the gameplay. What is it that hooks you? sense of mastery and speedrunning potential?

I’m asking honestly because I’ve always gravitated toward “big tech” experiences, open worlds, 3D immersion, heavy physics, think the stuff I loved as a kid, like GTA back in the 2000s. When I look at 2D games, my brain labels them as “mobile-style” and I bounce off.

>>723103263
Don't be obsessed. It applies to both.

>>723103439
Thanks, Billy

>>723103148
So two of them.

I don't believe it was even the best game released last month

>>723103741
It's easier to navigate in 2d so simpletons love that genre, adding a dimension overwhelm them.

>>723102253 (OP)
It's not even the best modern Metroidvania.

>>723102253 (OP)
>yes
yes

>>723102253 (OP)
not even close, HK was much better

>>723102253 (OP)
No the best game of all time is still RDR2 and Witcher 3

>>723103741
people pretend to like indie video games as a form of in-group signaling, like art connoisseurs lying about enjoying abstract art

No, it's too difficult for me

>>723104353
So it's just "standing out" type shit? Like only liking artsy movies but won't enjoy classics?

>>723103741
Tbh never saw the constraints of a 2D side scroller as actually limiting. If a game is well designed, feels good to control and has a good story to tell you can get immersed and enjoy it just as easily as a typical 3D AAA game (and even more easily in my experience if Im honest). Also keep in mind that limitations can end up elevating any art by virtue of finding a smart way to overcome them

>>723103741
>pixel style
Silksong is hand drawn. Anyway, for me it's the exploration and sense of progression. You can drop down a hole and accidentally discover a whole new area. And once you get new powers, traversing old areas that were difficult before becomes a breeze. Idk, it's fun. Plus, I like the little bug world, especially in the first game. I like imagining Hallownest as something that could exist under my feet.

>>723102253 (OP)
With whatever additional content it gets, I could see it being a favorite for many. Probably not in my top 10 personally, but still enjoyable.

>The lava slugs in deep docks who cover their entire platforms in 3 damage AoEs
why do these fags exist, man, this shit is so gay

>>723102387
fpbp it's a 7/10

>>723103741
>le chad image
>retarded brown underage opinion
every time

>>723102253 (OP)
Literally no-one thinks this, not even Troonsong diehards.

>>723102253 (OP)
it's past the fotm hoype season, you can stop being hyperbolic now

>>723106764
ok what are the things that make it NOT the GOAT?

>>723106729
Struck a nerve huh? Enjoy your slop anon

>>723107370
Fetch quests and adds in boss fights.

>>723107370
100 fetch quests, some areas are underdeveloped like the abyss, the crest system is questionable, some npcs have poor or no subplots, act 3 is just running around to quest markers

>>723107418
Well, the fact that there are literally hundreds of better games, for starters.
Hollow Knight fanboys preordained Silksong as a masterpiece and despite that, E33 is widely considered to be the GOTY frontrunner after its release, which speaks volumes.

>>723107671
>there are literally hundreds of better games
There aren't though.

>>723107671
At least make a critique of the game instead of crying about what the fanbase supposedly thinks. It's retarded

>>723102253 (OP)
Oh my fucking god GO TO FUCKING /vg/ YOU INSUFFERABLE SPAMMING TRANNY CUNTS

>>723102253 (OP)
Yes if you're trans.

just so you know, picrel is one of the best games ever according to /v/. too much contrarinism ruined this board

I loved Silksong. It's an improvement to Hollow Knight's gameplay in many ways, but it has its nagging issues

>too many gauntlets instead of having one big Colosseum of Fools type thing
>Act 2 and Act 3 pacing is kinda shit
>not enough meaningful rewards/too many "here's 2 shell shards because the rest fell in the lava" moments
>some of the crest design choices are questionable (no blues on the beast crest? wtf?)
>"kill 10 boar asses" quests
>why can I not buy multiple rosary necklaces/shard bundles at the same time?
>map is kind of annoying to traverse once you've discovered everything, especially in Act 3
>some retarded story moments like the Green Prince/Verdania
>Lace kinda sucks as a villain and I didn't really care about the fact that I saved her at the end, other than finding it touching that GMS gave her life for her daughter
>some areas feel underdeveloped (Hunter's March, Abyss, Wisp Thicket, etc)
>this isn't a problem with the gameplay, but FUCK FLEA DODGE

I think that about covers it. Solid 8/10 leaning towards 9/10. Is it better than Hollow Knight? I want to say no, but when I went back to Hollow Knight after 100%ing Silksong, I couldn't help but think deep into late game "Man, I really wish I was playing as Hornet right now. I'd be having a lot more fun." Make of that what you will.

>>723107948
>>723107950
Samebitch

>>723108071
>tranny has no arguments

>>723108040
>I couldn't help but think deep into late game "Man, I really wish I was playing as Hornet right now. I'd be having a lot more fun."
Only because the mobs in Hollow Knight are (usually) actually fun to fight instead of being tedious wastes of your time like every flying enemy in Silksong. Hornet would be more fun to control if the game she existed in was fun.

>>723108152
I just do not agree with you in the slightest. Please learn how to use the Clawline and your tools.

>>723108117
Would. Would so fucking hard.

>>723103741
>pixel-style games
What did he mean by this?

>>723108194
Yeah, I know you don't, because you're a shit-eater who tricked himself into believing he had fun with a tedious slog of a game.

>>723108040
act 2 pacing is fine imo but everything else on here is true

>>723108307
Oh, okay, you're retarded. Thanks, I can stop replying to you now.

>>723108194
>toolshitter
Every single fucking time some fag is like "LE ACKSHUALLY LE GAME IS LE FUN IF YOU JUST LE USE TOOLS". It's always the fucking toolshitters or the faggots who played with Architect/Wandered AKA played the game on easy mode. Of course you had fun, you didn't actually beat the game.

>>723102253 (OP)
no.

why are you baitposting? 4chan is anonymous. back to twitter, please.

>>723108341
>dumb motherfucker gets embarrassed
>runs away
Every time.

>>723108390
>game gives you the means to deal with a specific problem
>"NOOOOOOO IF YOU USED THE THING THEN YOU DIDN'T FUCKING BEAT THE FUCKING GAME"

Please consider therapy. I played Hunter.

>>723108504
>I had to crutch on tools like a shitter! Game fun!

>>723108117
Holy would

>>723108390
actually kys, soulstrannie

>>723108629
>Silktranny has Rollslop Souls living rent free in xer head

>>723108216
>>723108620
I see the indie "game" fanbase is still as full of faggots as ever.

>>723108685
>he acts like a faggot
>he's probably a faggot

>>723102253 (OP)
Not even close. Stuff like the flea games is so incredibly uninspired. Might as well pick up a big mac on the way home.

trans people playing silksong may be the most offensive stereotype of all time

>>723108504
>RE4 gives you the Chicago Typewriter, Infinite Launcher, and PRL 412
>UHHH YES I DID HECKIN BEAT THE HECKIN GAMERINO, IT GAVE ME THOSE OPTIONS

>>723108784
But enough about Silktrannies >>723108751

>>723108856
Oh eat shit and die.

>>723103148
>filtered by bell beast
Grim.

>>723108926
I accept your concession

No.

It's not even the best Hollow Knight

>>723102253 (OP)
lol lmao

>>723109425
>confronted with the evidence of his own fanbase being faggots and lusting after a tranny, the chaser devolves into Reddit babble

>>723102253 (OP)

idk, jannies seem pretty threatened by mina the hollower, they took down my post randomly

>>723109896
No need to hide it, it's abib. It's always abib. He's admitted in the IRC before that he will spend hours looking for specific things in the catalog that don't meet his arbitrary standards.

The game has some really high highs and thern there's moments where the game feels excessively harsh and it feels like the devs were huffing their own farts. No game that has Bilewater is the best game ever made.

>>723110907
Weavenest?

>>723109702
silksissies are so delusional

>>723102253 (OP)
Uhh... Jazz Jackrabbit 2 and Captain Claw were better platform games lol, and this was over 25 years ago. Are you high?

>>723107418
What nerve?

>>723103741
2d games are more fast paced and precise to control

>>723105065
pretty much yeah. silksongers don't like good 3D games like Battlefield 6 so they play dimensionally impaired indie slop.

>>723111159
where you find the broken silkshot...

>>723103741
Allows the game a lot more artistic freedom, because it doesn't have to concern itself with the camera angles. Flashier movesets, more interesting tools, etc.
Just like anime vs 3D animation

>>723103741
>game has a combat of its own
>cool vast interconnected world to explore that isnt linear shit or padded open world structureless ass locations
3d games and 2d games alike have been miserably failing at being this. silksong is exactly that so everyone likes it

>>723102253 (OP)
I have defeated The Radiance]\spoiler] therefore I can finally play Silksong.
Can somebody explain to me Hollow Knight’s story? I could gauge all that was done to contain the infection though I couldn’t understand much else in my rush to beat the game

>>723102253 (OP)
Nah to be honest I still liked the first hollow knight more. It's a good gaem though.

>>723112869
In Hollow Knight, there are beings called Greater Ones that can effectively be thought of as gods. You meet a few throughout the game: The White Lady, Bardoon, and Unn are all Greater Ones. Greater Ones are capable of granting sentience and 'life' to things. The Radiance granted life to bugs but the bugs that were under her control were very primitive and basically reduced down to just their basic instincts. The Pale King comes along and he grants them higher power and builds Hallownest and all of its infrastructure. Under his rule, Hallownest is very prosperous and advanced. In this process though, he effectively usurped the Radiance. He tried to fully get rid of the Radiance, but there are still thoughts of her in the minds of some of the bugs so she can't be fully forgotten. The Radiance begins infecting some of the bugs of Hallownest with the orange blob disease that you see throughout the game. To counteract this, the Pale King begins to experiment with the Void and the matter down there to create an empty vessel bereft of any sort of mind or thought to contain the Radiance (as the Radiance cannot infect them if there's nothing there). The one that he chose is the Hollow Knight and after that he seals off the Void along with all the other vessel candidates down there. He raises the Hollow Knight and as a result the Hollow Knight develops some feelings which makes them an impure vessel. Nonetheless the Radiance is contained within the Hollow Knight who is then sealed inside the Temple of the Black Egg and the Pale King convinces three bugs, the Dreamers, to sacrifice themselves to act as a seal. In the true ending, you enter the Hollow Knight's mind and destroy the Radiance for good instead of just containing her.

There is a lot more to it than that, but that is the gist of it.

>>723102253 (OP)
I think it's top 20. Hollow Knight is in the top 10.

>2d platformer
literally cant even apply

>>723113675
Based

>>723103741
They're fun. I'm not a pseud so I don't feel the need to look deeper into why I enjoy video games

>>723113632
Thanks

>>723115131
Sneed

>>723102253 (OP)
It's good but not great like Hollow Knight
Hollow Knight is a tightly made game. The only actual bullshit part in the game I'd say is Pantheon V, and considering the game basically treats it as postgame bonus content and doesn't unlock that much significant content behind it, it really isn't that big of a deal
Silksong has good moments and fights too (in fact, most of the bosses and enemies are mechanically interesting and fun), but it tows the line far more and has shitty gauntlets, long ass runbacks, and booby traps
Unfortunately, by nature of said bullshit you spend a lot more time suffering through the latter than enjoying the former, and often the fear of punishment actively detracts from what might otherwise be a fun part of the game
I replay Hollow Knight often, but I don't see myself touching this game again unless the DLC is just straight boss fights

>>723107548
>Fetch quests
These are bad because...?
>Adds in boss fights
Skill issue

>>723115131
there's a lot of stuff that's just slightly wrong in his post, but close enough to the truth that it feels like he's deliberately trying to mislead you

>>723116006
NTA, but "go to this area you've already explored and kill dozens of the same enemy over and over again to get 10 bear asses" is not my idea of good gameplay.

>>723107621
>100 fetch quests
There's like 30 total quests in the game, and that's being generous with things like the Witch Crest quest being counted.
>some areas are underdeveloped like the abyss
I don't think you played the game if you felt like Abyss was underdeveloped. It's not supposed to be a "real" area with quests, NPCs, bellways, or multiple bossfights. It's an area you visit twice; first for lore dumps and Silk Soar, and second for the final fight.
>the crest system is questionable
No it's not. The crest system is great. The only thing wrong with it is how often you get reset to Hunter's Crest without any of your tools equipped and have to find a bench to go switch to a real Crest (IE: the rest of them).
>some npcs have poor or no subplots
Because some NPCs are literally just there for flavor. They don't need to be developed. The actual important NPCs are developed.
>act 3 is just running around to quest markers
This is actually genius design. It makes extra use of the same map. Loads of changes happen in Act 3, and you're encouraged to explore the world you already uncovered to see how it's changed during the apocalypse.

>>723107671
E33 was my GOTY until Silksong came out. Silksong > E33. I say that as a huge E33 fan.

>>723116006
The worst part about the fetch quests in Hollow Knight is that you can't begin collecting the things until you've accepted the quest which is entirely arbitrary.

How do you compare the difficulty of Silksong to Hollow Knight? I see a lot of people claiming it’s super hard but some anons pointed out while it has a higher average, it doesn’t quite reach the level of HK’s endgame like the White Palace

>>723116409
Did you ever get all cheevos in E33?

>>723103741
a lot of times some games are just better on 2D than 3D, either in game concept, art direction, or just plainly resource-wise. good example: Noita

>>723116347
>the abyss being shit is fine actually
>act 3 being a retread of the map but the colors are toned down is fine actually

>>723116730
Is Blasphemous any good?

>>723102253 (OP)
The game was garbage.

>>723112869
QRD if you or anyone is still interested:

>There are several bug kingdoms connected by a massive overworld wasteland
>Hollow Knight takes place in Hallownest, Silksong in Pharloom
>Both kingdoms are just kinda chugging along until a Bug God known as a Pale Being comes along and raises the QoL of every bug in their kingdoms
>But Hallownest already had a Pale Being living there - Radiance and also the White Lady and Unn
>Pale King just muscles in and becomes King
>Marries White Lady and builds City of Tears as well as stag stations, tram ways, elevators, etc
>Radiance is pissed that everyone is worshipping Pale King, so she has a woman moment and starts The Infection
>Pale King realizes he can't beat Radiance forever and comes up with the Hollow Knight plan
>He birthes a trillion kids with White Lady, those being the Hollow Knight, the Knight (main character), Lost Kin, and other such void beings you see in the game
>He also fucks Herrah, the Weaver Queen, in order to earn the allegiance of the spiders, producing Hornet in the process
>The Hollow Knight ends up sealing The Radiance, but he is an imperfect vessel since Pale King was too fatherly and it made Hollow Knight have feelings
>So Hollow Knight gets sealed in the Black Egg Temple, guarded by the 3 Watchers to make sure no one breaks in to unleash the Radiance
>But Radiance had one trump card up her sleeve - a statue in Crystal Peaks that releases her Infection
>Infection ends up bringing down the kingdom, and she's trying to infect everyone to crack open the Black Egg Temple and free her
>The Knight ends up becoming either the new vessel for Radiance or becomes the master of the Void and traps Radiance in The Abyss forever
Some indeterminant amount of time later, Hornet gets kidnapped and brought to Pharloom.

>>723116162
You're supposed to take the quests BEFORE you explore the area fully and grab shit along the way.

>>723117021
picking up 10 randomly spawning silver bells really elevated the experience of silksong, yes yes

>>723116730
Last Judge alone is harder than anything mandatory in Hollow Knight.

>>723117021
Or you could just, you know
Not have tedious chore quests

>>723116780
Nah, I never hit level 99, I never found all the music records, and I never found all of the journals. Silksong's release date was announced so I stopped my 100% playthrough of E33 to replay Hollow Knight in preparation for Silksong.

Verso did nothing wrong. I didn't hesitate for a second to side with Verso over Maelle/Alicia and I felt good about sending her bitch ass back to the real world.

>>723102253 (OP)
I unironically rate it 8.8.

>>723116961
You forgot Bardoon.

>>723117163
That quest is entirely optional. You've got more than enough wiggle room in what quests you decide to take for Act 3.

>>723117257
Based and Versopilled.

>>723117315
We don't know if he was already there. Same reason I didn't include Nightmare Heart.

>>723117319
>it's fine that it's shit because it's optional

>>723117319
Is it? I thought all wish board quests are mandatory. Also there's like 15 "Give your money to us" 'quests'. Most quests are slop

>>723117485
I don't think it's shit, but if it bothers you it is entirely optional.

>>723117551
You only need to obtain 17 "points" along with completing specific quests to unlock act 3. Don't worry, are the rosary sink quests are mandatory and most of the required side quests don't give points :)

>>723107370
Act 3 is dogshit that feels like padding for the 3 main fights. All it really does it block your shortcuts and give double damage to trashmobs. Neither Silk Soar nor the Dream Needolin mechanic are as prominent are they should be.
It's too big for its own good, it dilutes itself towards the end.
Lace is an objectively terrible character to move the story because she shows up like twice in 50 hours, not counting her fight before GSM
It has some kino bossfights, but the bad ones outnumber them (I'm looking at you, Pintress).
Shards are a shit resource that only exists because if they didn't Architect would steamroll the game. The tool system doesn't benefit from them.
A wiki/guide is almost mandatory. It's normal for Metroidvanias to require them, but shit like the Mist is unforgivable, and the requirements for act 3 are never spelled out clearly. Given I didn't have this problem because I was doing all the little sidequests, but come on.
>Inb4 the flies show you the way in the room that you totally stop to check bro
There's fireflies all over the world, and not once were you able to interact with them.
The world is great, but the ambiance never matches HK. There's no City of Tears.
The finale sucks, with you fighting Lace for the third time instead of giving you the kino fight that would've been Voided GSM.

It's a great game, but it has some serious flaws.

>>723117641
I'd rather Great Hunt "Kill the Savage Maggotfly in Bilewater" than any of the shit ass "GIVE US 800 ROSARIESSSS AHH" for the Songclave bum niggas

>>723117319
NTA, but it's pretty hilarious how much better this game becomes to somebody who has no idea Act 3 exists.
Bilewater? Act 3. Tedious fetch / donation quests? Act 3. Anal platforming sections and gauntlets? Yeah, there are some but most of it is tied to Act 3, either prerequisites or Act 3 proper.

>>723117163
That's a bad example because that quest is supposed to draw you back down to the Marrow so you realize you can do the tool upgrade challenge, the Skull Tyrant wish, and the Chapel of the Beast, if you haven't yet. That and the craw quest are examples of the wishboard being done decently, to draw the player to important areas. Game needed more of those.

>>723107950
>nerdy white man has similar taste in media to nerdy white man (tranny)
imagine my shock

>>723117745
I don't even buy the argument that shards exist because of architect. If they wanted to prevent architect from stemrolling they could have put a hard cap on how many restocks of tools you had before you needed to sit at a bench, twice or 3 times at most. That way you still have around the same amount of ammo as you would with a capped out shard count but you get rid of the tedium shards can bring. I really think the devs thought this would be a good mechanic, and unlike double damage from environmental hazards shell shards are too ingrained into the game to fix.

>>723117946
You're 100% right. Still they got so many silver bells and fine pins type shit

if it had the feeling and atmosphere of the first game maybe, the only thing that dissapointed me about silksong

>>723117946
How does it draw a player back down to the marrow when the bells spawn in exactly one room? Why can't the player be naturally curious to explore old areas with new abilities like in any other metroidvania?

>>723107976
It is the best open world slop game ever

>>723102253 (OP)
lol no

The only quests that are required to 100% Silksong are:
>Silk and Soul
>My Missing Courier
>My Missing Brother
>Balm for the Wounded
>Tastes of Pharloom
>Savage Beastfly 2
>Rite of the Pollip
>Berry Picking
>Alchemist's Assistant
>Rite of Rebirth (Witch Crest)
>Bugs of Pharloom (Hunter's Journal)
>Fatal Resolve (Pinstress)
>Ecstasy of the End (Flea games)
>Wandering Merchant
>Lost Merchant
>Trails End (Shakra)
>Final Audience (Second Sentinel)
>Dark Hearts (kill 12 of the 47 void masses in Act 3)
>Hidden Hunter (Gurr the Outcast)
>Fastest in Pharloom (Sprintmaster)
Each quest is required for 100% because they reward either a Tool, Pale Oil, Spool of Thread, or Mask Shard.

>>723118265
>woke vampire survivors with 50 transgenders

>>723118265
Well anon?
What's number 1?

>>723117745
>Lace is an objectively terrible character to move the story because she shows up like twice in 50 hours, not counting her fight before GSM
That... that doesn't follow. That's not sound logic. Lace shows up a half dozen times, and a character doesn't have to appear several dozen times to be a good character.

>>723116848
First game has better story but is clunkier and upgrades take spot in the arsenal
Second game is more polished, Metroidvania-like with more exploration, smoother combat and more movement (battles also take that into account like double jumping, dashing and parrying) but the story is drier. Furthermore with the pixelart studio used closing down they had to use an animated style.
I feel it’s better enjoyed by people that like this kind of religious horror aesthetics. And best enjoyed by the spanish that catch all the references to their folklore

>>723118373
Go on anon.
Endear us to her character. Why is she kino?

>>723102253 (OP)
No, but it's still pretty great

>>723118203
The bells spawn everywhere in the bell tunnels. So while the player is exploring the lower tunnel, they end up opening the shortcut to the Marrow.
>Why can't the player be naturally curious to explore old areas with new abilities like in any other metroidvania?
Not saying they can't be (I was) but wishes like that are for players who aren't, or who tried exploring but thought they weren't ready for things like Hunter's March and the craw gauntlet immediately the moment you stumble into them. So like how silver bells is supposed to indicate to those players that they should be ready for Hunter's March, the scrarecraw quest will take those players back to Greymoor to do the gauntlet, and then be naturally curious to explore the balloons and get the triple pin and thread storm.
And for players who already have done those, they can simply decide whether or not those quests are worth their time, because neither are mandatory for act 3.

>>723118265
Based

>>723118265
Only one of those games crashed a game store upon release. Only one of those games crashed MULTIPLE game stores upon release.

Silksong is GOTY to everyone but journalists and casuals.

>>723116961
Thanks. Wait Hornet is a spider then?

>>723118489
too much dark souls autism, Ender Magnolia was better

>>723118537
Half Weaver (spider), half Wyrm (god).

>>723118537
Half uplifted spider, half wyrm god.

>>723103017
none. I stopped playing in the middle of Act 2 because I got absolutely bored out of my skull doing the same unrewarding shit that I had been doing for the prior 12 hours. I think the last boss I beat was Trobbio.

>>723118373
>She shows up half a dozen times
Now that's bullshit
Sure, pic related is not complete, but out of these I literally saw her twice: Deep Docks, and the Citadel. Then she shows up at the GSM fight, and suddenly in act 3 she's important.

>>723118373
>lace shows up half a dozen times
All Lace encounters before her second fight when you acquire all the melodies.
>deep docks fight, can be skipped if the player uses a simple key route or the fleas to enter greymoore
>if the deep docks fight is skipped lace will appear at either on the way to the blasted steps or at the entrance to sinner's road
>her second encounter will be somewhere in the choral chambers depending on how you enter act 2
>her next encounter is her second fight after obtaining all of the melodies
Wow a whole 2 encounters, that's not even half a dozen times.

>>723118428
She's kino because she's actually on Hornet's side and wishes to kill Grand Mother Silk. First off, she releases Hornet from her cage at the start of the game, and then tests her resolve twice to make sure she has what it takes to kill GMS. Despite being mortally wounded in their fight, she uses the last of her strength to save Hornet at the start of Act 3 by literally disarming her mother and falling into the void with her.

Her "betraying" GMS isn't because she's a petulant brat, but because she resents the fact that GMS created her and her sister as artificial lifeforms that are eternally dependent on her silk to stay alive. She knew GMS was evil and wanted to thwart her plans for world domination as an act of rebellion for GMS playing God.

And in the end, Hornet saves her life by utterly destroying Lace's worldview that her life is fake and not worth living. Hornet atones for her own mistreatment of The Knight for being an artificial lifeform by teaching Hornet the same lesson that The Knight taught her, coming full circle in her character journey.

HK2 is indistinguishable from the ending of HK1. Meat Boy, Zanzibart, Dark Souls 2, Castlevania boss rush. In that exact order.
They apparently didn't know how to make something like HK1 again, maybe they used up all their ideas, so they just stretched the horrible ending of HK1 into an entire ultra-dlc and called it a new game.

You like this because you were told to like it
You don't know what is good without being told
That's fine. No one is perfect. But don't imagine that pretending to like this was your own idea

>>723118668
I saw her in
>Deep Docks (fight)
>Blasted steps
>Exhaust Organ
>Cradle (fight)
>Cradle (GMS)
>Abyss (force projection)
>Abyss (fight)

Team Cherryyyy please fix Act 3 and the story with DLC... why did we kill that green nigga just because hes a fag? why is lace such an ahh character? why is the abyss so slop when you promised 4 bosses in HK as an unmet kickstarter goal? Let's get act 3 fixed team cherry

>>723118676
Yeah, a lot of her encounters are optional. Is that somehow a bad thing? I think it's really cool that you can see her in Sinner's Road if you skip her fight in Deep Docks. That's good game design.

Lace sucks ass for two reasons:
1) The game was originally DLC that was expanded to a double-length game, and it was expanded in a way that padded the game with side content instead of expanding the main story. Lace's limited appearances wouldn't have been a big deal if it was a short DLC-length adventure, but they didn't bother reworking her.
2) Everything about SS's main story is a personal story for Hornet, intentionally to contrast with HK being a story that the Knight just stumbles into that isn't really about him. Lace's character exists as a vehicle for Hornet's character development and in that respect she actually does her job well, so she's underbaked as a character unto herself.

>>723118815
See, on paper this is great.
But Lace doesn't make any kind of impression on the player during the main game for me to really give a shit.
It's like if in HK after defeating the Hollow Knight instead of Hornet showing up, it was fucking Tiso or Cloth.
Sherma would've been an infinitely more interesting character to move the story, because he, along with Shakra, Garmond, Gridle and even fucking Nuu, show up more consistently. Whenever I see one of them, I smile and feel something. I am indifferent towards Lace, towards one of the main fucking characters, because she barely has the screentime for me to form an opinion on her organically.

>>723118265
>argumentum ad populum

>>723118537
Yes. You ever wonder why Hornet can use silk in Hollow Knight? Like when she goes full Spiderman in City of Tears?

Her being Half-God also explains why she's biologically immortal and is able to manifest herself in dreams (she's actually conscious of the fact she's in a dream when you fight her in the optional boss rush mode)

>>723118974
Thank you for your feedback. More buzzsaws will be added to the open world to fix this issue.

>>723117745
yeah Lace was a major flop character for me. you'd need to be a yurifag or a woman to think she was worth centering act 3 around

>>723118920
So thrice before her fight in the cradle, and right before the becomes the main moving point of Act 3.
This is exactly why she's a terrible character.

>>723118537
Specifically, Weavers are uplifted from these assholes.
>My ancestor...

>>723119075
Cloth showing up would've been kino though.

>>723118347
zelda switch 2 port

>>723119075
Both HK games give plenty of lore for those that are interested. If you don't care about the deeper meaning behind Lace's and Hornet's stories, that's entirely up to you. You can still enjoy the story of the fallen kingdom of Pharloom without doing the work to analyze the story on a deeper level.

It's like Metroid Prime. I think it's just good game design that encourages repeat playthroughs to piece things together.

>>723119348
(Ghost) Cloth

>>723118981
Anon, the person I was replying to said Lace being a character to move the story is fine because she shows up "half a dozen times."
That's completely false, she shows up twice before her fight in act 2. The fact that there are encounters with her to account for optional paths does not suddenly make her a good character, she doesn't show up enough. Fucking Sherma is a more prominent character.

>>723118562
Zased

>>723116961
Who's that spider dude who gives you information about all bugs you kill?

>>723119435
To be honest, given the incest orgy of a story that was Elden Ring I'll take what I can get

>>723119471
She's still a good character even if you avoid encountering her. The writing is still there, and if you avoid seeing her, that's on you.

>>723119506
The Hunter? Just a really powerful normal bug who likes fighting other bugs. He's just a battle maniac, and once you complete his journal he fucks off to go find another kingdom to stalk.

>>723119630
You can't avoid seeing her, there are only 2 encounters with her before her fight in act 2. Are you seriously just trying to make shit up to have Lace seem like a good character?

>>723119630
I should not have to go out of my way to analyze a wiki for a character to be good.
All they had to do to fix this, was make her appear more prominently
>Fail a bossfight/gauntlet
>Lace is there on the runback, and mocks you before she fucks off
>Find her in bilewater disgusted by the maggots
>See her in the slab/mount fay dashing towards the rings, out of reach
>Go to the Cradle, met her on the way there, and she tells you to either fuck off, or face her at the top.
Literally all she needed was more screentime.

>>723119768
I don't get why she just trauma dumps on Hornet after beating her the second time. It's contrived af tbqh

>>723119768
I'm not making shit up at all. She only has 1 non-optional encounter, that being in The Cradle, with every other encounter being dependent on when else you see her. You can still see her a half dozen times in one playthrough.

Every other character also has a bunch of optional encounters. Garmond and Zaza, Grindle, Second Sentinel, Sherma, Shakra, and Green Prince all have a half dozen optional encounters across the map, many of which can be missed. That's just how Silksong is.

>>723119075
I agree with everything this anon said. I sincerely think TC should patch in at least 3 or 4 more Lace encounters throughout the game. Not fights, mind you. But her randomly showing up on certain places to talk. Would be cool if you have to do an arena fight with her as an ally too at one point, though i'm not sure if the common enemies are meant to be neutral to her. Or maybe you should just be able to recruit her to fight GMS if you want.

>>723119936
Anon, if you fight Lace in the deep docks she will not show up on the way to blasted steps or at sinner's road. If you see her on the west side of the choral chambers, she will not show up on the east side. You are making shit up. Her third encounter is always at the cradle.

>>723116848
No

>>723119891
None of what you said fits her character. Lace has stalked Pharloom for almost as long as Hornet has been alive, she wouldn't just show up to a place she's been dozens of times and go "Wow, you seeing this shit Hornet? Can't believe it lmao". She's not just some shitty brat, she's basically the keeper of Pharloom trying to manage it's decline long enough that someone can show up to put an end to GMS.

If you don't want to actually read into her story, that's fine. You don't have to. That doesn't mean she doesn't appear prominently in the story or that it's bad game design.

>>723120002
It's funny since they already did this entire thing with Hornet in OG HK and it comes off way better

>>723120052
As I said, all of her encounters before the Cradle are optional, but that doesn't mean you won't encounter her at all. Deep Docks is optional, but you'll see her on the road to the Citadel. Seeing her and Phantom in Exhaust Organ is also optional. As is seeing her in the Abyss since Act 3 is optional.

>>723120209
So there's a chance they will do it then. Cool.

tranny game

>>723120002
But she's already slated to be given the starring role in Hollow Knight 3: Hornysong

>>723120193
>none of what you said fits her character
>How sad. A little spider has fallen from its cage. So lost. So weak. Poor little morsel.
>I'll just skewer you here and now, pluck that flickering life right out of you.
>What's this? The little spider climbs so high, here to stand aquiver at our startling Citadel.
She absolutely would mock Hornet for having to do runbacks.

>>723104353
>>723102924
>>723103148
>>723103741
ITT children complain about what they don't understand

>>723120209
Hornet shows up 5 times in Hollow Knight
>Green Path (fight)
>City of Tears
>Kingdom's Edge (fight)
>Herrah's bedside (optional)
>Black Egg Temple (optional)
If you absorb Herrah before beating Hornet's second fight and don't go for the Radiance fight, Hornet shows up a grand total of 3 times in the story. Once to fight you without explanation, again to lore dump on you in front of the Hollow Knight statue, and finally in Kingdom's Edge. I'm not sure, but I think the Kingdom's Edge fight might also be optional since I don't think you need King's Brand to fight Hollow Knight, which would make the total Hornet Encounters... 2.

>>723120507
>If you absorb Herrah before beating Hornet's second fight
Well FUCK. Now wonder I didn't know she was a daughter of the spiders.

>>723120407
She's trying to provoke Hornet for sure, but she wouldn't just watch Hornet do runbacks. Her main job is keeping GMS in her cocoon with her hobby being mocking Hornet.

Note that Lace never actually intends on becoming acquaintances or friends with Hornet, and she never actually truly tries to stop Hornet. She wants Hornet to kill her mom and then she wants to die.

>>723120615
I only found out about it on my recent playthrough. I decided to clear Deepnest before going to Kingdom's Edge and realized Hornet didn't show up to mourn her mother's death.

>>723102253 (OP)
Not until they add a boss rematch mode.

>>723120507
Kingdom's edge is required for radiance along with black egg temple. She also shows up at the entrance to the abyss after acquiring the shade cloak if you don't have the deepnest encounter. Also unlike Lace, Hornet isn't the focus of the story.

>>723120193
>None of what you said fits her character
Literally what he was saying, her character is bad to begin with, why am I supposed to care about her when she barely shows up and acts like a bitch when she does anyways. Nearly any other character is the game is more likable because they either help you in and out of combat, have more character or show up more often so why pick the worst one as a focal point for Act 3 that her being saved at the end is even up for consideration Am I truly supposed to forgive her for the shit she's done because she feels bad? Terrible character

>>723102253 (OP)
No game is. I bet there’s an alien species out there with dad as hell games.

>>723120209
>>723120507
Hornet succeeds where Lace failed for two reasons. One, she explicitly shifts her mentality in her second fight based on the player's actions. In her first fight she only thinks of the Knight as a stalking ghost and wants to get rid of it. In her second fight she realizes based on the actions of the Knight (and by extension the player) that it might have the strength to accomplish the hail mary, and tests it to prove its worth. Second, after her fights she is explicitly an ally for the rest of the game, saving the Knight from the cave-in and helping in the Hollow Knight fight. Hornet's character in this regard exists as a proxy for all of Hallownest altogether, and reflects the progression the player has made in achieving the true end.

Lace on the other hand shows up to ahuhuhu at you, shows up to ahuhuhu at you again, then whines about her mom, then tries to destroy everything. She serves as a vehicle for Hornet's character development but all of that is done by Hornet herself through her own dialogue. What the player does is irrelevant before act 3 because Lace's dialogue in the Citadel and Cradle encounters doesn't change at all, and her appearance in act 3 could've been done by a literal punching bag because it's all Hornet being self-reflective.

>>723116961
3 sentences in an you're already wrong multiple times
Never surmise lore again

what do you get for beating seth's scores? I'm sick of these fucking fleas.

>>723122484
A memento

>>723122484
Nothing relevant.

>>723119235
I unironically hope this happens

>>723119235
They should add a mode that spawns a savage beastfly in every room and if it kills you it deletes your system32 folder

So was Zote one of the vessels or failed vessels too? He was seemingly immune to the infection.

>>723102253 (OP)
We will see when I get to her game. I beat Ragebound on normal, now I'm playing Chronicles of the Wolf. If Silksong can still leave a great impression on me, it's a godlike game.

>>723124983
>Precept Fifty-Six: 'Do Not Dream'.
>Dreams are dangerous things. Strange ideas, not your own, can worm their way into your mind. But if you resist those ideas, sickness will wrack your body! Best not to dream at all, like me.
He was simply wise

>>723116961
Good summary, ty for effort-posting

>>723120507
It's 6 times actually, and the number of encounters doesn't actually do her storytelling justice
>Greenpath (Fight + stalks you in previous screens)
>City of Tears
>Kingdom's Edge (guides you deeper a couple screens before her fight + saves you after the Cast-off shell collapses)
>Herrah's Bedside (optional)
>Abyss (after you get the void heart)
>Black Egg Temple (outside and inside, this is a mandatory story beat for the true ending)

Lace meanwhile
>Deep Docks (Optional fight, but encounter is still mandatory at Blasted Steps/Sinner's Road)
>Citadel
>Cradle (fight + ending)
>Abyss
>Abyss again

Aside from getting clued in on Lace being the one to free Hornet (which is missable if you skip her fight), Lace just does less overall. She acts as a barrier to getting to GMS, but then just becomes a vessel for making GMS herself a more interesting character.

>>723103741
>and other pixel-style games?
Silksong isn't pixel art you fucking retard. Also GTA is shit
>>723107418
>Slop
It's extremely high effort and polished to a shine, the opposite of "slop"

>>723109425
confession denied

>>723102253 (OP)
It's not even a contender for best game of the year

>>723124983
Zote is so retarded and awful that the Radiance simply didn't want him tainting her tang hive mind.

>>723125995
It is, and is also the best metroidvania

>>723125382
Exactly. The man mastered the mind by doing absolutely nothing with it. While everyone else is getting warped by dreams and void nonsense, Zote's just cruising on sheer delusion-based immunity. His precepts are like a poor man's void heart - purity through ignorance. You can't be infected if your brain's busy repelling even the concept of thinking.

>>723103741
it's pretty much just the precision. any 2d game that does not take advantage of this is a cope for devs without the resources to do 3d. (Also, this is why roblox got so popular by the way, it is the only 3d game ever made that has as much precision to its controls as a 2d game)

>>723127107
The fact that there is a possibility that I am forced to sometimes read things written by people who have played robox is a fucking war crime.

>>723125995
this
>>723126141
... in transland i assume

>>723103148
Can you narrow it down?

>>723102253 (OP)
I'm in Act 3 right now, but I liked Ender Magnolia and Nine Sols more.

>>723127251
Trannies are the ones throwing a tantrum over every game that comes out and requires even a bit of effort

>>723127180
the roblox obby Citadel of Infinite Void was harder than path of pain

>>723119435
>If you don't care about the deeper meaning behind Lace's and Hornet's stories, that's entirely up to you
Not really. Both are mandatory to the story to some degree, but Lace is significantly more passive than Hornet in their respective games, especially when you take true endings into account. If you're talking purely backstory, then yes you can completely ignore the fact Hornet came from Deepnest, but that doesn't stop her being an active agent in the main story you experience firsthand in Hollow Knight. Lace's entire motivation as a character in the story of Silksong is not conveyed well at all.

Compare and contrast Hornet
>"I know what you are, I'm going to kill you"
>"You might be more than what you seem, meet me here"
>"I'll test your strength one more time"
>"You are more than what you seem, I will aid you in the final battle"
vs Lace
>"I'm gonna kill you which conflicts with me freeing you from your prison"
>"You're dealing with more than you can imagine... oh nevermind you can imagine it"
>"You've beaten me again, but also I don't value myself as I am an artifical being"
>Saves you from the final boss
>Skip to the abyss
>"Oooh is the spider girl afraid of swimming in black goo?"
>"By the way I'm not going to be myself because I've been dipped in the black goo"

Argue complexity all you want, from a purely storytelling perspective there's very little to latch onto for Lace. She serves better as a way to add more emotional weight to Grand Mother Silk, who is arguably more present via the haunting and her screaming.

>>723108390
>you didn't actually beat the game
the original source for this quote was a response to a journalist using cheat engine to beat Sekiro

>>723121146
>Am I truly supposed to forgive her for the shit she's done because she feels bad?
No, it's just meant to stop Grand Mother Silk from wreaking more havok in an attempt to save Lace. Act 3 is more Silk's part of the story than Lace's.

>>723108564
Sounds like you're playing the super special toolless version of silksong instead of the game Team Cherry intended you to play, which is fine as long as you had fun. You did have fun right?

>>723128278
>>723128550
Shitters seething

>>723127395
I'm on the same boat. Although in my case, I didn't start enjoying the game till act 3. But still prefer the other two games you mentioned.

>>723102253 (OP)
Maybe if it ended with Act 2. Act 3 is an embarrassing mess.

Silksong has acts?

>light breeze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS7cLq4-ebY

>>723127638
With how few times Lace showed up, they really needed to push the "I will kill you to stop mom from having you" angle. First encounter at Deep Docks (which should be 100% mandatory and not skippable with a fucking key) she should straight up say she freed Hornet to keep her from falling into the hands of GMS (not by name that early obviously) but is going to try to kill her for the same reason. Her encounter at the Citadel, she should again emphasize that Hornet cannot be allowed to succeed because "mother" would doubtlessly steal her silk, this time dropping that she's the higher being's daughter, with Hornet replying that she too is the daughter of both weaver and wyrm and concluding with her existing "even gods can fall" lines. Twelfth, Cardinius, and Ballador should all reference her in some way to eventually connect the dots that Lace is woven from pure silk but jealous at feeling GMS doesn't love her. Then finally after all that her speech at the Cradle and actions after you trigger the snare feel understandable.

>>723125612
Hornet also appears in Fungal Wastes near the City of Tears' entrance, and if you attempt to follow her she hooks away towards the city.

I wouldn't worry about lack of lace in the future

>>723102387
It's not even a good game...

>>723103741
Hollowknight + Silksong do not have smart design, it doesn't even have good design.

>>723104353
That's like watching Scooby Doo to seem sophisticated.

I didn't give a shit about Lace but that ultimately doesn't matter, because saving Lace is the only way to save Pharloom and still survive
>if you ignore Lace, GMS will destroy Pharloom trying to protect her
>if you kill Lace, GMS will either spite destroy Pharloom or simply let the void drown you both
>saving Lace is the only way to get GMS to stop PMS and actually lend a hand in escaping the void (this still almost failed but deus ex little ghost happened)

>>723102253 (OP)
>forgotten in a week despite the "hype"
lol

>>723130921
It doesn't have any replayablity right now. you do your normal run. then steel soul then speedrun
each one faster than the last since you get better.
then nothing

>>723102253 (OP)
it's easily 9/10, great game, but being your favorite game that came out recently does not qualify something for gotyay.

>>723103741
It's a hard game and some people still enjoy the sense of achievement that completing challenges provides.

>>723130252
Honestly Lace could have shown up for specific parts of the Melody gathering in general, for what reason I don't really knwo though. If you really get into the nitty gritty of her story, I can't think of a good throughline that could actually give the intrigue that she needs to make the twists she pulls truly impactful.

Again, look at Hollow Knight for comparison, if we go through the thought process of what the story is trying to make you think
>Hornet says she'd know what we'd do, and calls us a ghost.
>"What do you mean you know what I'd do? Why am I ghost? What am I?"
>Meet Hornet at the City of Tears, and see the reveal of the Hollow Knight
>"Wait I'm NOT the Hollow Knight? Am I just some random nobody then?"
>Fight Hornet and get the King's Brand
>"I'm the King now, but what does this do for me? I'm just some guy."
>Experience the abyss memory (assumes you beat the Hollow Knight by now and seeking the true ending)
>"Oh I was one of the king's children all along! I'm a rejected Hollow Knight!"
The story is stringing along plenty of questions that eventually all get answered if you can reasonably piece enough things together. Obviously people didn't fully get some things, but just looking at the mandatory events in a vaccum there's always something connecting them together that should leave a curiosity for more. Lace's story instead gives you answers to questions you never had. The reveal of her being purely made of silk just comes out of nowhere.

Act 3 is really just gauntlet slop?

>>723129965
>Act 3 is an embarrassing mess.
It strange how act 3 is a tangled mess that felt like it was slapped together at the last second. But that clearly isn't the case given their earlier trailers show most of act 3 content.

>>723131356
Seeing the old trailer again, I wish they didn't blur so much of the backgrounds. Karmelita's fight lacks the atmosphere of an arena when the audience is just a blurry mess of red and white.

>>723131417
A lot of the backgrounds looked a lot nicer in the trailer.

>>723112004
>good games
>Battlefield 6
kek, lmao even.

>>723107950
I was just about to buy Silksong but you just saved me anon thanks

>>723131356
What's wild is that there was an early version of Coral Tower with kino looking platforming rather than the gauntlet vomit we got in the final version
Meaning either stuff got moved around, or somebody at TC really made the call to axe that to have overly long gauntlet #3510 instead

>>723132394
It'll be back in the Coral Chorus DLC.

>>723102253 (OP)
that would require it to be above 7/10
>>723102387
fpbp

>>723132534
Not before 2 or 3 more laces

hollow knight was better

>>723131356
Genuinely, I've lost all interest in the game in Act 3 and I'm tempted to just say the game ends at Act 2 after the credits roll and move on with my life
The first act is fucking amazing, the second act starts to lose some steam and has some wild decisions but still generally feels good, the third act and all its associated requirements feels like a fucking mess all around. Like, why the hell do I need to find almost all the fleas to unlock Act 3? Is there a lore reason for that? Are the fleas somehow the longtime cousins twice removed of the Silk bloodline and only by almost fulfilling their purpose can we win Lace's heart?

Is it possible to get to the abyss before act 3?

>>723103741
>drooling retard that loves open world slop doesn't understand the appeal of actual good games
how shocking!

>>723102253 (OP)
nah but I have trouble thinking of better metroidvanias
a bunch of people spoiled themselves completely and their opinion doesn't matter in the slightest
still it has a bunch of flaws, especially regarding the skill system which is worse than HK despite having "more stuff"

>>723133186
>why the hell do I need to find almost all the fleas to unlock Act 3
Likely answer is just because the other locations they can reside become inhabited by other NPCs (Bone Bottom residents flee to the first location), become too dangerous (Voidniggers are shown to try swarming Bellhart from Greymoor and Shellwood), or just collapse (Last Judge's boss room gets a lot of rubble). They probably didn't want to hand-wave away how the fleas miraculously survived.

The real annoying thing about Act 3 is that it seemed like the map itself would change a lot more as a result of the devastation happening, kinda like the Infected Crossroads on a much larger scale, but in practice there's like 3 or 4 areas where you're forced to go a specific route, but then you can just open up the paths that were originally blocked off and you literally just have the same map from before. I wasn't expecting an Inverted Castle situation, but I still had my hopes up.

>>723120279
Seriously not a part of this conversation but are you actually so retarded as to think that because a character is a quantum ogre (i.e. she will show up no matter which path you take) that she appears half a dozen times?

This is seriously brain death for your retardation.

If a character shows up regardless of if you went down one path or another that still only counts as one encounter, strictly because you cannot go down both paths.

>>723133186
>why the hell do I need to find almost all the fleas to unlock Act 3?
if you didn't spoil yourself act 3 would have been a cool surprise instead of this autism requirement shit you're rambling about
blame yourself

>>723133643
Idiot Silktranny
Kill yourself

>>723133997
I accept your concession
watch a playthrough next time, zoom zoom

>>723102253 (OP)
I loved it in a way I haven't loved a game in a long time. Is it the best game ever? No, that's either RE4 or Sekiro. It's easily the best metroidvania, though.

>>723134054
>Reddit babble
Literally every single time.

>>723134250
>so oversocialized he cannot play a game without engaging with the "community" constantly
>gets spoiled
>complains about the game
>calls other people reddit
do a backflip

>>723118815
>eternally dependent on her silk to stay alive
can I have an actual source for this? where in the game is that explicitly stated? I know that's the common belief on many people here but I don't remember that in the game specifically

>>723134197
Eh, still prefer Rabi Ribi, then the OG Hollow Knight
Silksong is still good though

>>723134349
How about I rape your mother's corpse, you piece of fuck?

>>723134197
>Fromtranny
Opinion discarded.

>>723134472
If you go to phantom's organ you can see the insane amount of spools she was using to feed

>>723134349
NTA, this is the most recent post I made btw: >>723133186
I think you need to understand the concept of anonymous imageboards. Anons can have similar opinions, but not every anon is necessarily the same anon - get it, anon?

Why didn't Hornet just cut Seamstress' head off, steal her balloonship, sail directly to the Cradle, and carpet bomb GMS' cocoon with pimpillos ?

>>723134472
The Hunter's Journal states:
>A bug born entirely of thread. Much Silk would have been needed to see her sustained. A fragile form of life, but life nonetheless.
Since Horny is assumed to be one of, if not the final source of Silk, where else would Lace get it from.

>>723134752
it's still a fucking stupid complaint either way
I'm arguing concepts, not people : this whole frustrating experience you're having is completely self inflicted by pre-spoiling
holding this up as some sort of game's flaw is retarded

>>723134762
Because she's sexually attracted to her

>>723134886
You honestly deserve to be stabbed to death.

>>723102253 (OP)
I like it a lot. Best game? No, not really, but it doesn't have to be the best game to still be good.

>>723134841
>where else would Lace get it from.
the bugs of pharloom. She just kills them and suck their silk. goodbye sherma!

Lace is a terrible plot device and a rival material than a fully-fleshed character with a proper personality. I love how some people will try to find excuses to pretend that she's actually a well-established one just because they want to fuck it.

>>723118373
>>723118668
Lace fucking sucks, "oh woe is me for I was born", whiny bitch

>>723134995
On that note, how did the pilgrims in the Marrow have silk inside of them ? In my mind Pilgrims in the past would reach the citadel, be wheeled to Whiteward for silk injections, and then consigned to eternal labour in the Underworks. But how would the pilgrims and ants at the bottom of Pharloom also be susceptible to GMS' influence ?

>>723104124
>*Megaman

>>723102253 (OP)
>reach gambling bug
>i bet this will make a great way to make extra cash later on
>oh well im short on cash and fighting a boss ill come back later
>come back later
>gambling bug is dead
>???

>>723134601
>pajeet response
You need to go be brown somewhere else

>>723135212
Silk is transmitted to the offspring. yes this is canon

>>723102253 (OP)
It isn't even the best game made this year lmao

>>723135437
How did the ants become contaminated with silk ? And why did the children of the successful pilgrims roll the whole way down the mountain ?

>>723134886
Anon, that was a thing that I thought was pretty stupid that I pointed out, but that wasn't a complaint
My complaint is that Act 3 has a much lower quality-to-ass ratio of all three acts combined. I'm sitting outside Coral Tower right now and just don't have another long gauntlet in me, and nothing about the act grabs me the way the other two did

>>723134601
sarrrrrrrrrrrr

>>723117983
This is anti chud noticing. Notice how /v/ ignored it because the LE TRANNY card is always their ace in the hole argument winner and derailer. DONT HECKIN NOTICE that nerds and trannies have identical taste. MUH HECKIN STRAWMANERINOOOOOOOO

>>723135551
Ants became part of silk's kingdom unlike verdania. maybe a lot of pilgrim escaped the citadel after seeing how shitty it was or were thrown out like lugoli

>>723129194
Doesn't sound like you had fun.

>>723103741
>mobile-style
You are a retard.

>>723102253 (OP)
act 3 is complete fucking garbage and clearly 1/4 finished at best
so no, not even close

>>723135587
>but that wasn't a complaint
right
>Act 3 has a much lower quality-to-ass ratio of all three acts combined
sure, then again personally I didn't treat it as a full fledged act considering it was just an added bonus to me, as it was getting the true dream nail in HK was and finding out about the radiance
if that weren't the case, I'd be on your same boat, especially in regards to actually find the forest heart area which drove me fucking nuts

Fuck this boss I hope he gets cancer and dies

>>723137247
His undead form (Seth forma de carnivale) is even worse.

>>723102253 (OP)
No, not even close. It's 2d platformer garbage. If I want to play such games I'll get my snes out, get with the times.

>>723102253 (OP)
First game was hard but chill.
Second game has no chill, and constant trolls
Eventually you just get used to repeated bullshit, but fuck the second game is such a slough to do anything. It needs more relief tasks, it feels like it was designed to be speedrunner bait, where the first game could be casually played to a degree.

>>723130650
-500/100 trolling ability

>>723103741
Classic gaming feeling, you need to get good to keep advancing and progressing and earn your exploration and rewards of the world.

Would the story of Act 3 have been better if Sherma was given equal importance to Lace and/or was the character Hornet is trying to save? Judging by player reactions across the Internet, you can tell people actually got attached to his character versus Lace just having a sexo design.

>>723102253 (OP)
nothing on /v/ is genuine

>>723109896
I actually want to play this game. There is a clear dearth of "Link's Awakening-likes" compared to "stick-figure character parry slop platformers".

How does Witch's crest pogo actually work? I swear my Hornet sometimes hits spikes or takes contact damage randomly when I do it.

>>723102253 (OP)

Best game ever made ???

I'm sick of this trend of games that are painful to play.

I have nothing against difficulty spikes or annoying moments in games, but when it's constant, the game just becomes boring.

A modern game has to be dark, hard, and painful all the time, you never know where to go or what your goal is and you don't understand the story at all, damn it pisses me off.

Where's the fun in all this ??

it's good, better than the original Hollow Knight, but some of it is pure bullshit, which never seemed to be an issue in HK
That being said this being a 2025 release that costs only 20eur for over 50hrs of gameplay and tons of replayability is fucking awesome and I will always respect team cherry for that

The game is woke girl boss slop hence it cannot be a true great game.

does crawfather keep summoning adds forever?

>>723143482
Yes

Are there 2 maps that are Act 3 exclusive? Steam says I have 26/28 maps.

I feel like the purpose of 'difficulty' in Silk is to prolong the game.
Wonder why they thought it was a good idea to make the game way more punishing.

>>723108390
>HURR GAME IS TEDIOUS
>use this mechanic provided in the game to make it less tedious
>HURR YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME IF YOU USED THE INTENDED MECHANICS
Absolute fucking autism

>>723143667
Yes.

>>723143667
Yeah there's exactly 2 more in act 3

If Tormented Trobbio is giving me a hard time do I even have a chance at either Karmelita or Lost Lace?

>>723144141
Yes, you do. Tormented Trobbi-Ack is the hardest boss in the game, and if you have epilepsy he will literally kill you.

>>723116347
>There's like 30 total quests in the game
There's 75 quests in total actually

>>723144141
yes, because they're completely different, and maybe you'll fare better in duels,
Pogo-abuse and the tack/beetle tools work well with Lost Lace and Karmelita

>>723144225
>Pic
KEKW

>>723108390
I used Wanderer and Witch and I will not apologize for either.

>>723107370
>fetch quests
>courier quests
>quests being mandatory for act 3
>act 3 being basically padding with very little new content
>completely forgettable ost
>completely by the numbers upgrades for progression
>shards are a bad way to balance tools
>bilewater
>putrified ducts
>way too many bosses that are just "annoying enemy with double contact damage and adds"

I'm surprised more ass-sore anons don't moan about the difference in attack range between HK and SS. Hornet with longclaw has about the same distance of attack as the knight does charmless, not to mention Horny is a bigger girl. The knight's range with longnail and mark of pride was ridiculous.

>>723144482
>completely forgettable ost
Bait.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq8wGcWeXwg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hM_Hp37By0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTicXQYw2ts

>>723144532
The constant babyrage over contact damage is adjacent to a "hornet doesn't have enough range" type argument. thats a big nerf compared to hk tho

>>723144631
None of those are worth posting

>>723102253 (OP)
first two acts yes (and no because envirmoents all look drab and more grey than hollow knights) third act was kinda a missed oppurtunity and laze doesnt deserve the spotlight she got.

>>723143872
>challenge exists so you won't finish the game immediately
Anon had a real galaxy brain moment hete.

>>723102253 (OP)
Care to explain why there are people who like old school games like that? Grow and evolve

>>723102253 (OP)
Bloodborne is still the greatest game ever made by a huge margin, no other game comes close and no other game ever will sadly, but Silksong is very good.
We live in a timeline in wich the best games of all time (FFIX, DMC3, MGS3, Dark Souls, FFVI) were made at least 15 years ago, with only Bloodborne breaking that curse, and it's still a 10 years old game. In these last 15 years we only got 1 Godlike game.
The original Hollow Knight was amazing, a decent game, something unusual, but it lacked something, a decent main character, the souls formula (unnamed hero that sacrifices himself at the end of the story) only works in souls games, the Knight, or Ghost, whatever you want to call him, doesn't make you worry or love him as a character. Hornet steals your heart in the first 5 minutes of the game, just watching her limp at the start made me worry, and once she starts talking, I knew that I wanted to help her like I wanted to help Snake, Dante or Zidane in their games.
Tldr:
Silksong is probably one of the top 10 games ever made, and elevates Hollow Knight to a masterpiece too just because it's literally Silksong's backstory.

>>723144631
These stood out to me the most too. but desu i felt disconnected from the music in general compared to HK, but It still has its moments

>>723104124
You have to be joking lmfao

>>723104124
TRVKE

>>723116730
I think platforming is easier but bosses on average are harder.

Can make it to Lost Lace 3rd phase pretty consistently now but still whew and I bet there's more

>>723144225
Where do you see hanging Trobbio? He didn't do it after i beat Tormented

>>723145783
it's one of the most annoying bosses in the game
i recommend turning off the screen shake

>>723145783
How many attempts so far?

>>723145436

<- the best and of all time !

i wish gay bugs were real

>>723146190
There are over 100 species of bugs where homosexuality has been observed.

RIP Pharloom Bay. I miss you, even though I never met you.

+ there should be a tool that makes the needolin regenerate silk when used on enemies.

>>723146087
Haven't kept count but been at it on and off for maybe 8+ hours in between work and other stuff

>>723146469
This looks far more atmospheric than any actual location in silksong. What happened with them between HK and SS in that aspect? All SS locations but maybe cogwork core were bland and boring as fuck.

>>723146469
Zylotol still references it:
>Plasmium was discovered by my master at the farthest edge of Pharloom, hidden deep in salt-stricken waters.

>>723146482
gl bro

>>723146558
It looks fucking gray. It's dreary and gray. It still looks good to me but you can't be saying other silksong locations are especially ass compared to this like cmon

>>723146558
Come on now.

>>723146742
Like 70% of silksong locations are fuckign dreary too, just having a wider color palette doesn't make locations magically memorable, actual art style does and that single screenshot has more love poured into it than the entirety of citadel.

>>723145875
Nowhere, it's just a meme

>>723146558
>hurr durr imagine if we got thing we didn't get it would've been so much better

>>723107950
And there's trannies that love the games you play too, retard.

>>723102253 (OP)
I wouldn't say that

>>723146469
Man I was really hoping Bilewater had a village inside and a couple NPCs. That place is just so relentlessly hostile. Think a reprieve would've been very powerful. And the lore of the Stilkin is really interesting, and their goals completely overlap with Horny. I wish the fight with Groal proceeded as usual, but ended with him respecting Hornet and chatting her up.

>>723145875
Kek, if the devs had big balls they would've ended Tormented Trobbi-acks fight with him dramatically hanging himself. But the HK fans would've had a meltdown and likely followed his example en masse.

>>723146558
A number of the locations got scrapped because they would be out of place given the story (the citadel would visibly need to destroy the locations around it for the story to work as well as it did). I hope a dlc allows us to experience pharloom in all its former glory.
>All SS locations but maybe cogwork core were bland and boring as fuck.
Just because a location looks hostile or delapidated doesnt mean its bland

>>723147786
>Just because a location looks hostile or delapidated doesnt mean its bland
They don't even look hostile. HK abyss and Deepnest were hostile. SS locations are just bland.

>>723147682
There should have been more NPCs and towns or deeper NPC questlines to lighten up on the slop fetch quests and "we're so poooooor donate 10,000 rosarie please!" wishes.

>>723147828
Sinner's Road scares the shit outta me, whole thing feels like a heavy metal song.

>>723147832
Yeah. I agree. I don't know what the developer's workflow is like but I really wish the writer had matched the artist's passion and skill. The backgrounds literally tell the story better than the words do. If Pharloom had real questlines and interconnected stories, the game would be a bonafide 10/10 for me.

>>723146190
>tumblr
And then they say gayshit doesn't primarily come from there.

>>723147828
>Bilewater
>Debilitating maggot water debuff
>Traps and dead bodis hung around everywhere
>Violent exploding wildlife
>Guys literally jumping out the water to snipe you
>Blasted Steps
>Wind so violent that it directly affects your air movement
>Stage hazard is a mass of worms that eat you alive
>Everything reduced to sand
>Guarded by heavily armoured bugs

>Abyss
>Some creepy bugs kinda walk across a platform
>The water bites until you turn on a light
>The walls and floor being covered in the corpses of your siblings is pretty fucked up

You might be retarded.

>>723148340
>tries to undersell the HK abyss and its fantastic Gigerian atmosphere and vastly oversells bilewater
SS fans are so funny

>>723148419
>Backpedaling
Sorry but the Abyss just isn't hostile. I agree it has great atmosphere though. Silksong's Abyss at least has bugs that try to kill you, and the void destroys a view platforms.

>>723148554
>Backpedaling
>doesn't even mention mother fucking Deepnest
Stick to posting Lace yuritranny fanart

>>723148646
I didn't mention deepnest because you're right that it feels hostile, I'm not a compulsive contrarian.
>Stick to posting Lace yuritranny fanart
No thanks, I hate shippingslop.

>>723102253 (OP)
More artificial hype for a fake indie title? LET'S HECCKIN' GO, MY DOODS!!!

>>723149045
>fake indie

?

>>723102253 (OP)
It's just too much and bringing too little. I honestly think that the game should end with the citadel with a more focused sidequest to get the true end, act 3 requirements are arbitrary and as soon as you're doing optional content you stumble on shitty bosses spamming add monsters and hitting for 2 masks for no reason.
Less is more some sometimes, and they still haven't understood that. When you've reached Bilewater there's very little more to discover, the level design becomes straight up hostile and you're supposed to carry on?

They should make shorter games, cut half of the bosses and keep only the good half instead of what they keep doing.
>Savage beastfly
>Savage beastfly 2
>conchflies
>angry conchfly
>broodmother
>maggot cook
>faggot frog waiting after a gauntlet
No thanks, you can keep them, just a few ones like the first sinner would be much better to wrap up key areas instead.

>>723149403
All good points, except Conchflies (1) is a great fight. One of the few in the game I wish were more padded with HP.

Phantom MOGS Lace.
https://youtu.be/EHKwlkbeSFk?si=ETwdm_FgMa_OHWAO

the location of the shellwood heart is the first thing that I think is actually bullshit and the first time I looked something up
what the fuck were they thinking

Are these fags not damaged by their own bombs when I punt them back, or do they just have that much HP? Most annoying grunts to fight at the docks.

>>723151853
what the fuck is that thing, I'm finishing act 2 and never heard of it

>>723152004
>Most annoying grunts to fight at the docks.
Probably one of the easiest flying enemies to kill, you're gonna have a bad time.

>>723152206
I'm on Act 2 already, I'm only back at the docks because I hadn't opened the simple key door before. Don't know what to tell you, I love pogoing on most flying enemies, which I assume doesn't work on these like the others who wear a helmet. Only other fliers I found annoying are the ones who throw bouncing coins at you, but at least those are weak and die quickly.

The game just feels kind of uninspired. Bosses have lame move sets, mostly consisting of 2 or 3 attacks. I haven't finished it yet but so far only trobbio and first sinner were cool fights. GMS and lace sucked, first tried both.

>>723152004
These niggas nuked Greymoor btw.

>>723152206
Don't listen to this anon. These fuckers are top 3 worst enemies in the game.

>>723117920
bilewater is a top 2 area and is in act 2 faggot, way to out yourself as a shitter though

What kind of bug is grandmother silk?

>>723102253 (OP)
Bros, I finally figured out the secret to the Mist after 2 1 hour sessions of aimlessly walking.

I knew the fairies were a marker, but it wasn't till llaaaaaaaate down the road that I realized you have to play to them.

>>723154473
Spider, reminder she did no wrong

This sprintmaster swift shit is pissing me off holy fuck this sucks

>>723156579
Just hit him with clawline lmao

>>723152068
I think he means that one quest where you have to gather hearts for some flowers in Shellwood. It was also the first thing I had to look up for me.

I HATE LACE I HATE LACE I HATE LACE I HATE LACE

>>723157512
Nah I mean the one of the four things you need for true ending

>>723157546
The game should've ended with a "KILL LACE" option. Saving Pharloom was never about saving Lace anyhow. She's a huge burden on the dwindling silk economy anyhow, it would be a good act for all.

>>723148340
trying way too hard to hype up Bilewater when it's just green vomit land
Which wouldn't be awful, except we get green vomit land 2 and 0.5 in sinners road and putrefied ducts
I have no idea why TC went so hard on swampville when there were so many undercooked maps like the wisp ticket
Verdania was such a breath of fresh air, but of course you're locked out of it when you're done

>>723148419
>Gigerian atmosphere
Based

>passive body hitboxes doing double damage when there's no attack going on
>first mask is basically useless for any boss fight
There was no reason to do this.

why are there no straight couples in this wokeslop?

>>723148419
Anon you are screaming into the void, let the normalcucks be stupid

>>723131356
If it isn't clear from Coral Tower and Lost Verdania, Act 3 is literally a cut content compilation. You aren't looking at Act 3, you're looking at Act 2, or maybe even Act 1.

>>723158606
Anon, there is literally a MExGMSilk voidtentacle rap... I mean lovey dovey sex scene at the end of the second chapter if you do things correctly.

>>723158494
Having erratic enemies with contact damage in a game striving to be a precision platformer is asinine decision. Imagine a simple precision platformer where spikes can fly around the screen in a random fashion, that's either Silksong or a fuck you tier game for autists like IWBTG

>>723158606
Hornet can take a nice relaxing bath at the spa with her lawfully wedded husband whose virility will give her many quarter-Weaver children.

>>723159064
>in a game striving to be a precision platformer
This is a thread for Silksong, not whatever game you made up in your head.

>>723159160
Yes, this is a thread for silksong, a game with surface climb, mount fay, several escape sequences and other examples of annoying precision platforming like sands of karak.

I enjoyed both HK and SS.
Fun games are fun.

>>723157949
Wisp Thicket was pointless and made no sense to be where it was.

>>723116961
>But Radiance had one trump card up her sleeve - a statue in Crystal Peaks that releases her Infection
WHAT?
Since when was this retarded plot point a thing? I thought it was infection seeping out from Hollow Knight? Are you fucking serious?

>>723159414
>and made no sense to be where it was.
I can say the same about 80% of the map. Still have no idea what even rains in the fucking greymoor.

>>723117745
>The finale sucks, with you fighting Lace for the third time instead of giving you the kino fight that would've been Voided GSM.
That would've been lame too, the correct answer was obviously to have post Pantheon 5 Knight show up having lost his mind and try to kill you

>>723159686
I imagine fighting VOIDED Knight will be a DLC ending

>>723159686
Thank fucking god they didn't disrespect Knight like this. Being a tard wrangler for his stupid half-sister was the best way they could use him.

>beat last judge with only one save & quit on steel soul
my heart was fucking beating out of my chest

>>723131029
I never got why people care about replayability. I don't read a book and then get annoyed with the author if reading it again doesn't give me a novel experience.

>>723159087
What type of bug is Sherma?

>>723159883
>save & quit
you didn't beat anything

>>723160119
a sex bug

>hi we made a game where you wack your father's corpse off his throne
>hi in our next one you kill your mom
These fuckers have mommy and daddy issues.

>>723160427
Me on the left

>>723159542
>Still have no idea what even rains in the fucking greymoor.
Literally just look up on the map. Were you confused at City of Tears too?

>>723160427
ONIONS trio

>>723160591
FILTERED!

>>723160478
>no sewage system unlike City of Tears
What's raining down, pilgrim cum?

>>723160359
>splashes around after getting splashed by Hornet
cute

>>723103741
>>723103893
>>723104353
>>723112004
It's okay to be a normie philistine who plays AAA slop and doesn't understand good video games.

Just resign yourselves to the fact that you will never understand.

>>723160732
The waterways running from the Ducts through Bilewater to Sinner's Road are the sewage system, combined with silk dregs going through the exhaust pipes. It's intentionally set up to concentrate all the silk dregs into one area so the Greymoor workers can collect it all. The Bilewater shit water is also probably why the craws are perpetually pissed off.
But that's also tangential. City of Tears didn't get rain from sewage water, it was the pure water from the lake seeping through cracks in the ceiling.

>>723159087
>since hornet's immortal and will always outlive her husband, she goes for a shota to maximize the time she can spend with him
sounds plausible desu

>>723160120
I beat the game
Several times, in fact

>>723159883
Why would you be excited when you are just cheating to win anyway?

>>723161362
How the fuck else are you supposed to beat Steel Soul mode? Don't tell me you take every single death on the chin and start over from scratch? Discretion is the better part of valor. I beat the game.

>>723159883
Stop it you coward, embrace the permadeath. Be molded by it. Make a second save to practice bosses if you must.

>>723146852
>No secret superboss with Shakra's master by playing Elegy of the Deep
What a squandered opportunity of the song having any use outside of plot.
It wouldn't even have to reward anything, just make it a repeatable duel like Act 2 Shakra.

>>723161424
>Don't tell me you take every single death on the chin and start over from scratch?
I do -_- That's the point of it for me. I also don't use any guides. I just go in and hope for the best. I do most of my thinking mid run.

>>723161424
You beat it by having a soul of steel and with clever routing.
Like starting the game and immediately getting Wanderer so you dont have to suffer level 1 hunter crest

>>723161424
>get through steel soul
>team cherry says they'll have another challenge for you later, implying something beyond steel soul in difficulty
The DLC is going to be fucking evil

>>723161495
I'd like to see you hold onto your convictions when you're knee deep in act 3 on steel soul mode and you haven't even got either of the steel soul achievements. I did nothing wrong. In my position, you would have done exactly the same. I already lost 5 of my steel soul runs because of my greed, I won't lose another one.

>>723161497
>use it in front of 3rd Pinstress house
>no battle
Kinda lame

>>723161667
>use snitchpick on seamstress
>she doesn't drop the keys to her balloonship
nasty turn.

Loved finding this. Seems to be a relic from the Weavers' rule of the Citadel, before the opulence of the Conductors. Overall the timeline of events in Silksong feels fucked, but that's understandable in a game about gods and bugs.

>>723161497
act 3 is so fucking shit. it's so blatantly obvious that it was rushed and they didn't have time to flesh everything out, hence why elegy of the deep is fucking useless and everything is just cobbled together awkwardly.

>>723161512
>-_-

You do not belong here

>>723162092
It's a contraption built of scraps, yeah. I'm more lenient since it's technically a secret, but I agree that it ultimately fails in what it's trying to do. Feels like a gimmick that went too far.

>>723102387
fpbp
I love this game but it's not the best ever

>>723161661
I lost my best Steel Soul run 13 hours deep in act 2 to a fucking mosquito, don't talk to me about greed

>>723162195
Why?

>>723163502
If you have to ask, then you need to lurk moar newfag

>>723163502
Anon get's vewy angwy when anons use non-4chins sanctioned parlance

>>723144385
You did not beat the game.

>>723163619
My honest reaction to that information: -_-

>>723102253 (OP)

no , it's too hard

>>723163731
what the fuck is this

>>723160120
Hang yourself on camera, Soulstranny. I want to watch you die.

>>723163896

you can easily understand what it is anon, no context needed

>>723163896
Chinese artist’s gijinka design of Hornet.

>>723163619
>>723163720
Go.
Fucking.
Back.

>>723164046
>>723164005
Oh, I wasn't aware. Glory to the CCP and chairman Xi.

>>723163712
My Steam profile says otherwise :)

>>723162057
The timeline is just confusing because of how they refer to the Weavers actions by just saying "the Weavers" when there's factions within them.
i.e. Weavenest Cindril choosing to leave vs Weavenest Alta choosing to stay and overthrow GMS.

>>723164217
This but unironically.

>>723164453
Speaking of Alta, what is the deal with Eva? I'm a lorelet but she seemed interesting.

>>723163896
Looks like different hairstyles corresponding to each of the crests.

>>723164449
>it's a PCheater
Imagine my shock. What babby diaper pussy bitch mods did you use?

>>723103741
2D sidescrollers are what I gravitate toward because I loved them as a kid. I’m literally the opposite of you.

How many of these are Act 3 exclusives?

>>723164582
Weavenest Alta is also where you find tools designed to fight GMS and the Rune Harp found there says
>Hide her deep, the despised child, our shame shown in shell of iron. She is a wish cast vain, divinity mimicked in form too frail.
Eva seems to be an attempt to replace GMS with a God more amenable to the Weavers, but Eva's body was too weak to contain a God's power.

She's the Hollow Knight 2: Silksong.

>>723103741
>I’ve always gravitated toward “big tech” experiences, open worlds, 3D immersion, heavy physics
You like slop. I like games.
We are not the same.

>>723165086
Spools might be all available in act 2 but the rest for sure need act 3. "All Crests" as well.

>>723165086
All of them I believe

>>723165086
Woven, Cartographer, Masked and Arsenal for sure

>>723164582
Eva a cute simple as

>>723137247
hey hey people

>that post-kino depression after beating silksong in a 100% 70 hour playthrough and now just listening to the soundtrack on repeat

best and worst feeling

>>723165772
Just wait for dlc like the rest of us.

>>723165923
i think i might try a steel soul run of the first HK. I tried installed some other metroidvanias on my backlog to fill the void but they just don't hit the same

>>723163996
someones having a bit of a meltie :)

>>723102253 (OP)
>Is it a genuine contender for the best game ever made?
It's not even as good as its predecessor, so obviously not.

>>723166018
the randomizer for hollow knight is pretty good as well
lots of options to tweak and control, probably the most feature complete randomizer for any game

>>723103741
So this is your brain on zoomer

>>723165086
spools are all there
there are 16 masks available too so you're 3 short

>>723164582
Weavers are all female and can't reproduce between themselves
They tried to circumvent this by artificially creating another Weaver. It failed.

>>723165086
The following are act 3 exclusive
1 woven, 1 cartographer, 0 extended, 4 masked, 1 arsenal

>>723164582
Weaver attempt at creating a new god which failed

>>723167301
>>723165086
I was wrong, cartographer has 2 maps in act 3
the rest are accurate

>>723167301
The weavers thought themselves divine (figuring out it wasn't the case is why the First Sinner got imprisoned). They put Silk to sleep precisely to not have a truly divine being above them. Eva was their attempt at making a child.

>>723168929
Not quite, Eva was an attempt at replacing a being with Silk's level of power but was too fragile and unstable to exist outside of the containment shell. That's why she has this supernatural ability to sense the "nature" of other weavers. She was both an attempt at creating God AND a child; a god-child.

Coral tower is the culmination of bad game design in this game. What an abomination.

>>723112869
Why did you rush to beat it? Why didn't you try to enjoy yourself? Silksong isn't going anywhere and its DLC isn't gonna be here for a while.

>>723169160
>She was both an attempt at creating God AND a child; a god-child.
Makes sense she's essentially a supercomputer AI.

>>723102253 (OP)
play more video games

>>723169160
The weavers had no reason to create another god after imprisoning Silk in the Cradle. But they still had the instinct to reproduce and leave behind offsprings.
>How did you come to be sealed here, Eva?
>Lady, you mistake. What seems a cage is as much my shell as the form inside. I was born within this space. To leave would be my death, an uninspired end, though one I've sometimes wished would come.
>I am unique, you see. My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task.
>Hornet: I know the curse well, Eva, for I am also its victim, and spawn of one who managed to overcome its limits.
>Hornet: Are you too an attempt to defy that cruel constraint?
>A flawed attempt. A life spun from rune and shell, sustained only by its cage. My thoughts may mimic a Weavers but my senses are my own.
>Over time, that difference brought only distance between us.

>>723170819
Eva was created before, which is why they desperately had to hide her away when it was realised she was "incomplete". She was intended as a being that could challenge and replace Silk, with other means (the song) being employed after she was deemed unsuitable for the task

>>723102253 (OP)
Probably not.

Bump limit reached!

>>723118489
something about the way horny is drawn here makes her come off extremely rapeable
I mean more than usual

>>723113632
Did you mean "higher beings" it is not made clear what a higher being is, It could be a "player, this is for you" or referring to bugs who are inherently sentient, or to bugs who have also been elevated to sentience.
It is more unlikely to mean gods, who are called such, or pale beings. The signs who addresses "higher beings" are not written in a way that would suggest that they are meant to be read by gods like the pale mother, pale king, GMS etc.
It is likely meant to be read by sentient bugs, visiting or residents of hallownest. So bugs like Cornifer or Teso, or a wayward bug from the city of tears.
That said, it seems likely that there exist two forms of sentient bugs. Uplifted bugs who were made sentient by pale beings, or wyrms, and bugs who gained sentience of their own, perhaps with the assistance of greater beings such as Unn, the dead mushroom in fungal wastes etc. The bees and mantis tribe were sentient before the pale king uplifted the feral bugs in and around hallownest after all.
The through-line, however seems to be that to gain sentience, bugs need to believe in a higher power. Be that the Radiance, Unn, Pale King or the Void in the case of the ancient kingdom of Hallownest.

>>723117745
>(I'm looking at you, Pintress)
Huh I just got here yesterday and honestly I'm tempted to just beat the game and move on.