Thread 723149402

>>723149402 (OP)
4K monitors are still too slow.

>>723149402 (OP)
We clearly need 8k though. Anyone claiming 4k is overkill are majorly coping, only legit reason would be something like >>723149496
but there are 240hz 4k oleds now which is fine for most

4k is viable with ultra performance upscaling transformer model scenarios for a non-5090 gpu
so, if you spend as much on a gpu as you do on a 4k 32" oled display you should be fine

I play in 1080p 60FPS. Don't need more.

>>723149402 (OP)
>yeah bro you just need to spend 2,5k dollares on a new gpu and another 500 for a fitting cpu
>what are you, poor?

>>723149402 (OP)
meanwhile it all looks the same if you go two steps away from your monitor

>>723149402 (OP)
Gpus stagnated so hard we went backwards in resolution is why.

I don't even wear my glasses.

>>723149402 (OP)
How about you put the image to actual scale for each resolution

>>723149402 (OP)
>blow up a zoomed in picture
>woahhhh look at the improvement
in-game it's going to be about the size of the thumbnail, and in-motion. It's not nearly that important, and fades into the background after a bit, unlike high refresh rates.
4k is pretty nice for text though

>1080p
>240fps

>1400p
>120fps

>4k
>55 fps (upscaled from 480p with framegen)

>>723149554
>Just increase the resolution, all we need is more.
No fuck that. 4K monitors are still a minority and devs can't even get consistent performance with current hardware.

>>723149584
/thread

I'm shrimply happy with 1440p, and don't want to pay the performance tip + tax + tithe that comes wuth 4k.

>>723149808
its just a thing you have to factor in
thing upscaled from 720p looks better on 4k than on 1440p while not having that drastic fps drop

people used to say 4k is unviable because you lost about 60% of the fps you'd have at 1440p, but thats just not the case with upscaling

>>723149787
What's the point? People on 1080p monitors will still have to zoom in to see a difference.

I can tile two windows side by side in a 27" 1440p monitor without any scaling.
I don't think I need more.

>>723149918
im on a 1080p monitor and I see the 4k image just fine

1080 144hz.
life is good.

>>723149402 (OP)
i play on 720p
it just werks

>>723149402 (OP)
200fps 140fps 30fps

>>723149969
yeah, if you zoom in

>>723149918
My point is none of this images is one square inch on a 27" monitor
And if they were scaled then you'd see diminishing returns from 1440p to 2160p
If it was say a 40" screen, then you'd see some big differences

>>723149402 (OP)
The performance loss from 1080p to 1440p is 43,75%. That's why.

>>723150025
>1600x900
lol lmao

I bought an IPS 27" 1440p 144hz screen in 2018 for €400 and it's doing just fine. But i'm wondering if there is a reason to upgrade.

Been using this monitor for 7 years and it still feels kinda big so going any bigger seems like a waste. Also the resolution, i did a side by side comparison of 1440p and 2160p but i just can't tell the difference, except for the larger image of course. What if i get a 27" 4k but only set it to 1440p? Would that work or just feel weird? Because i tried setting my 1440p screen to 1080p and it's all pixelated.

If i'm upgrading i'll be going with oled of course because it's the newer technology and those monitors aren't even that expensive from what i've seen. In the 600-800 euro range.

I'm fine with my 1440p 165hz.

I just refuse to use upscaling, frame gen or any of that shit.
Give me native or go away.
simple as.

1440p is good enough for me

>>723149402 (OP)
For me? It's 720p scaled to 1080p.

>>723150025
>4k to 8k
>8k is more than twice the size of 4k
Kek, the jews and their trickery is just getting more and more obvious

>>723150072
>native
>not downscaling his resolution like a real man
haha fag

>>723150191
I member when witcher 2 and BF3/4 came out and I thought supersampling was going to be the future.
How little did i know.

>>723150137
>more than twice the size
wut

>>723150245
war thunder is the only game I've found that supersampling is worth it

>>723150331
You can fit more than 2 4k squares into the 8k square

>>723149584
after playing on a 1440p monitor for about a year now, I think I'm ready to just go back to 1080p. really don't need more

for me, its 240p on a cathode ray tube connected via component cables.

>>723149402 (OP)
why are you not playing on 1080p on a smaller monitor with higher framerate?

>>723149402 (OP)
Why are gamers so stupid? 4k and 8k are for video. If you rubbed a few neurons together you would realize that Almost ZERO desktop software even properly supports 4k monitors because the devs who make real software know how worthless it is. Gamers are just the dumb rejects from every other hobby so they just buy whatever the youtube tech man tells them is best

>>723150039
There's no diminishing returns unless you're standing 6 feet away from your monitor for some reason. Diminishing returns starts at 70PPD.

>>723150481
>uses 1080p
I literally said 1440p to 2160p

>>723150137
What, of course 8k will be more than twice the size of 4k.
It's 2x the width and 2x the height of 4k.

Anything more than 1920x1080 is mental illness

>>723150561
you can trying it out for yourself, you know.

>>723150592
>more than twice
>2x the width and height
so it should only be twice as big then

>>723150375
yes? it's not just twice as wide, 1080p for example doesn't mean 1080x1080, so why would 8k or 4k
are you retarded?

>>723149496
I did have to waste $600 on a qd oled but turns out they have 0 latency (not what I was getting it for at all)
You have to understand, I'm not even an aim fag, but 0 virtual latency feels like I'm finally actually controlling the character in front of me instead of constantly adjusting for the lag
Would unironically recommend getting a 4k oled with good HDR over a gpu upgrade, it's like getting a recliner chair after killing your back in gamer buckets for years

>>723150395
This has been the case for several friends. They got fed up with their 1440 or 4K resolutions offering little more while tanking framerates with even the strongest cards, they upgraded to a 1080p monitor with 120hz to 300hz.
I never left 1080p.

>>723150672
which means the jews are lying in their marketing terms again which is my whole point, if 8k is not exactly twice as big as 4k then call it something else fucking hell

>>723149402 (OP)
1440p is so blurry. I still use a old 1440p monitor as second monitor and sometimes i just turn it off because of how blurry it looks compared to my 4k monitor.

>>723150737
it refers to the approximate horizontal pixels retardbro

The human eye cannot detect resolutions over 1080p

>>723150702
Didn't like 1440p either, but no one is going back from 4K. Especially now that DLSS4 is a thing

>>723150751
You are not viewing a 1440p image on the screen if it's blurry

>>723149402 (OP)
dont want to play at 30fps native or use fake frames to pretend im not at 30fps.

>>723150667
No, it's 2x the width and 2x the height.
7680÷3840=2
4320÷2160=2
2+2=4
The 4k and 8k distinctions are only referencing the horizontal pixel resolution.

>>723150775
>here's $10 for the $5 meal
>cool, here's $2 back
>what the fuck where's the rest of my money
>ummmm actually $5 is not half of $10 just because the number says so!!!!

>>723149402 (OP)
I was fine with 1080p on my 24 inch monitor, but ever since switching to a 27 inch one I regret not getting a 1440p one.

>>723150809
>but no one is going back
>now that DLSS4 is a thing
that's literally what DLSS does anon

>>723149402 (OP)
Because i want more than 60fps and no upscaling? The day jewvidia starts improving again then yeah i'll get a 5K monitor.

>>723150857
>buy thing that says double
>get quadruple instead
>WTF WHY AM I GETTING MORE THAN DOUBLE

>>723150880
DLSS4 with preset k is indistinguishable from native even if you're severely autistic. You really need to try it.

I'm not going to pay premium for the privilege of playing my games at buttery smooth 30 FPS(DLSS on, Reflex active, Vasectomy enabled)

>>723150986
it's actually better than native because there's no gay aliasing

>>723150986
irrelevant, I'm just telling you what it's literally doing

>>723151027
I get a 4k image on my screen, you can take your meds now.

>>723149402 (OP)
4k masterrace reporting in

>>723150737
>if 8k is not exactly twice as big as 4k
you get double the width and double the height
how is that not exactly "twice as big"
a box twice as big should not become a fucking rectangle

Imagine being against upscaling
sigh, luddites

>>723151126
You are getting an upscaled 1080p-1440p image
It can look great but it is still just that

>>723151207
>It can look great
what else does it need to do retard

>>723151167
Well techinically it's four times as big, not twice

Why the fuck are Nvida cards so expensive?
The 5090 is like 4 times the price of the 9070.

>>723151167
Try to fit 2 4k boxes inside the 8k box perfectly, it's impossible because it's not twice as big

>>723151167
kek na education moment

>>723151262
better features/quality/performance/cuda/ai

>>723149402 (OP)
i dont play a a 1x1inch monitor

the absolute state of poorfags on /v/

>>723150667
retard

>>723149685
GPUs are fine, every studio on the planet collectively thinking it's the name of the studio and not the people in it that affects game quality is the problem.
Turns out if you keep firing all your staff after 9 months so you don't have to pay them more while outsourcing as much as possible to jeets the game is going to end up shit.

>>723151298
you don't need any more than 1x1, big monitor and big desk just want you to consoom

>>723152071
Gpus are demonstrably not fine.

I need 4k to play 20+ year old games.

>>723152725
Is there anything worse than playing old games at ridiculous resolutions
Well, maybe high resolution texture packs

>>723149402 (OP)
Because some people play video games and don't just compare graphics. If the visuals are able to visualize you how the game is progressing and what is what, then it is good enough for the player. Or did you not have fun with older consoles because the resolution was too low or what?

>>723150986
>ai hallucinations instead of purely generated frames
you didn't beat the game

>>723149402 (OP)
Ah yes, so I'm not the only one who looks at a monitor like this

>>723149584
same.
graphics are the last fucking thing i care about in a videogame.

>>723152790
nta but it feels surprisingly good seeing old graphics at high resolutions

>>723149402 (OP)
>OLED
>240Hz
>27"
>4k
And it came with thirdie seethe for free!
>>723152725
Unironically. Old games had strong colors, sharp shapes, and high contrast. Thief 2 looks absolutely amazing at 4k on an OLED, and you're guaranteed to hit your refresh trate.

>>723149402 (OP)
Bait image. 4k is a meme

>>723149584
this but i'm playing on patrician 1200p
wide shits shall not apply

1080p is a meme

Who’s „we“?
t. 4K OLED chad

I bought a 1440p monitor and have been regretting it ever since, massive performance loss for basically no upside whatsoever (but duuuude the UI element is like crisper and stuff!!!)

>>723153280
and your pc specs are

>>723152725
Holy soul

>>723152989
I despise that shit, looks horrendous
Things that were once round are now sharp angles and makes things look way more dated than it looked originally

>>723152790
Sounds like you hate fun anon.

>>723153036
This anon knows the score.

>imagine playing PC games and purposely making them look worse than the same game running on a console
oh my lol

>>723153619
Hey fuck you consoles can't do better than 1080p either.

I don't play anything made in the last decade, so an RX 5600XT is enough to run most anything I play in 4k.

>>723153208
exactly

>>723153821
console on a 4k tv will look 1000% better than your shitbox on a 1080p screen lol

>>723149661
this but unironically, if you don't have $3k to invest into your main hobby you shouldn't be playing games at all, get some money first

>>723150052
hello zoolander

>>723153276
>4k meme
>burn in meme
Based full retard.

>>723149661
And $800 for an OLED 4k monitor

>>723152790
playing 4:3 games at high resolutions and having
>no UI scaling so the elements are impossible to read
>full-screen low resolution menus that are stretched to the wrong aspect ratio

>>723154494
give one reason why burn in is bad that doesn't end in the argument of "im poor"

>>723154151
how would you know? You're a poorfag running 1080p lol

>>723153976
please degauss your tv anon... this is painful to see

>native with taa
kek every time

>>723149402 (OP)
Can't wait for 5fps upscaled from 1080

>>723152725
funny thing is that this would look better at low res and on a CRT

>>723149584
dangerously based

>>723154562
>has never heard of integer scaling
Not surprised a 1080plet is also a techlet.

Remember the rule: old good new bad and 4k is new, thus bad.

>>723154916
i'm speaking mostly about ps2 era games, where integer scaling wouldn't make it look better, not pixelshit

as long as shitty dithering exists on hair and the like, I will continue to use 4k

>>723155384
Running at higher resolution won't fix it, you need vaseline on top.

We can all agree that HDR is a meme right?

>>723155626
no

DSR is a thing

>>723150481
>Diminishing returns starts at 70PPD.
Diminishing returns starts at two pixels.

>>723149402 (OP)
Because im still playing with my 32 INCH 1366x768 NON SMART TV and im plan to replace it with same thing due to age of this TV

>>723155750
>dude, just blast saturation and contrast

>>723155820
two pixels is two too many
all you need is your imagination

>>723155275
works on my machine

>>723152790
8k supersampling is great, you’re a faggot

>>723155057
in reality, to enjoy 4k you need a xx90 series GPU and then you still have subpar framerates. And this was before games really went to shit and now even with a 5090 you need to use AI frame-smearing to get a smooth experience.
1440p is a good improvement over 1080p, works well with slightly larger screen sizes (27”), and allows for the 144+ fps that you want for an optimal experience. It’s just all around good, without any compromise vs 1080p.
But going from 1440p to 4k you have to make serious compromises every generation.
But this while dilemma is now moot because modern games all suck, so just use that 5090 to play old games at 4k and 200fps.

>>723156482
>in reality, to enjoy 4k you need a xx90 series GPU
Except that is wrong.

>>723149402 (OP)
We all want 4k, but it's not here yet. Give it snother ten years. The moment i can play the most demanding games in 4k with 60+ fps on a xx60-tier gpu, that's when it will be worth it for the average scrub to make the upgrade. And before you fucking cunt elitists start saying shit, the steam stats agree with me. The average grunt out there mostly games on a 60-tier gpu. 70 tier at the absolute highest.

>>723156018
>never actually seen HDR the post
retard

>>723156747
You can't even see beyond SRGB, hence why it has remained the standard for 40 years.

>>723156126
>no UI in the screenshot
that's not what I was complaining about you scumsucker

>>723149665
And who the fucking hell is going to do that, exactly? The entire point of a computer, is that it exists to give you the absolute peak of gaming experiences. If you're not sitting in a comfortable upright position with the monitor about 40-50 cm from your face slowly permanently blinding you more and more over time, you're simply put not doing it right.

>>723150025
I remember when they did the "blurry shit photo" trick with 720p. Then, when 1440p started becoming a thing, it was time for 1080p to get the blurry photi treatment. Only gonna be a matter of time before we hop up to 6k or 8k and 4k gets the blurry photo treatment, signifying how sucky it is and how inferior it is...

>>723157068
That is why 1080p is a meme as well - we all played with crystal clear image quality at 1280x1024 but MAGICALLY no that is no good you gotta be on 1080p.

>>723157068
We’ve already hit a plateau at 4K. Nobody buys 4K physical media. 4K streaming is so heavily compressed, you may as well be watching 480p. TV networks don’t broadcast in 4K because nobody watches OTA television anymore.
At this point any higher resolution is a waste of resources.

>>723156875
>40-50 cm
Do people really? Even if I sit at the edge of my desk upright I get at bare minimum 60 cm.

>>723157068
reminds me of this

>>723157068
>peoples standards become higher as we get better technology
wow, you're smart for realizing this.

>>723149402 (OP)
this looks fake af

>>723157362
kek, fuck ubisoft.

>>723149402 (OP)
Because I have a 1440p IPS panel
I'll only upgrade to 4K when it's worth it to go OLED, and OLEDs are still enthusiast tier, overpriced and finicky.
>burn in isn't real
I have an OLED phone and I got the youtube UI burnt in slightly just from ebooks. I'm not buying a whole panel of this.

>>723149402 (OP)
I play on a 4k 144hz monitor (oled), on gnu/linux

>>723156664
ok but why are you the average scrub?

>>723149584
Based.
My monitor has been a 55" TV for 15 years now. Never needs to be replaced.

I need something 27", QHD, with a gaming-tier refresh rate, and congo-tier black levels -- did I pick a decent one?

>>723149402 (OP)
>27" postage stamp
Couldn't be me.

>>723150375
This nigga failed the 3rd grade!

I'm genuinely considering getting a 4K OLED TV to game on, just hook it up to my pc and become a couch pc gamer.

I just can't justify oled on desktop, and 4k on desktop also seems overkill

>>723157581
yeah

>>723157686
kthx anon

*leans back in chair slightly*
*saves $1000 on monitor and gets to maintain stable 60+ fps without fake frames and saves money on trips to the eye dentist*

>>723157581
nah. theres new tandem oleds that are the go to monitor

>>723157716
>wants 60
Imagine thinking that's a target.

>>723149402 (OP)
>1 square inch of 27" screen in 4k of a game actually being played and not a bullshot of a something standing still doing nothing

>>723149402 (OP)
Games are blurry anyway

>>723150025
i can see the entire image so i guess i don't need 8k

https://www.ecoustics.com/articles/optimal-hdtv-size-viewing-distances/

Make sure to sit at the correct distance for your given display. Though some anons get seriously triggered by this for some odd reason.

>>723157830
It is for 4K kek

>>723150698
>I'm not even an aim fag, but 0 virtual latency feels like I'm finally actually controlling the character in front of me instead of constantly adjusting for the lag
You're a retard. most IPS panels introduce around 5ms of latency at most as opposed to less than 1ms on an OLED in the response time for action to result at the same framerate, majority of the rest is from the rendering pipeline and your peripherals. You would not be able to perceive that kind of difference unless you're going from a shitty 60hz panel to a 240hz one, at which point, it being OLED isn't the point.

>>723149402 (OP)
Diminishing returns really, especially with upscaling/downscaling tech nowadays. What is really important is refresh rates. You can reasonably get extreme refresh rates on 1440p, not so much on 4k. There's 500hz 1440p monitors nowadays that look gorgeous.

>>723149402 (OP)
Because I'm not smushing my face in to the monitor and inspecting the pixels with a magnifying glass. I also don't have monitors the size of my wall. This shit literally makes no difference, except fucking up performance. You're all just retards who fell for a marketing scheme.

>>723158032
No, it's not.

>>723157721
>just $220 more
Is the difference that stark?

anything other than 640x480 is satanic

>>723158187
https://www.displayninja.com/best-oled-monitor/

you can see the list of tandem oled monitors there

>>723158079
Right, it's 30.

I'm happy with my 32inch 1440p IPS.
INB4 MAH PIXEL DENSITY! Just move it back a little ya stupid faggot.

>>723149816
>pic related
Do retards really think cars are just a force of nature that magically appear when you build a road?

I was a retard and now I can't afford nice things for a few years.

>>723149685
No, theybare as strong as ever. Game optimization has dropped, its a lost art and it will make it up by generating frames instead of rendering them

>>723158505
>I have to sit back from a tiny 32" screen just to not see how bad it looks
lol @ poors

>>723158505
Don't tell me what to do faggot.

>>723150137
Retard.

>>723149402 (OP)
>4k is king
meme resolution
No hardware can reliably play at 4k without compromise and at that level everything is too expensive

>>723150072
If I gave you "native" and you didn't check the settings, you wouldn't notice that DLSS is on.
>nooo, I totally would, I'm not like all the others who failed the blind test

>>723158187
>HDR400
Kek, i hope you never plan to use the monitor for HDR

>>723158682
>without compromise
it's less of a compromise than running 1080p or 1440p with a shit gpu

>>723158458
Show proof you've ever played a game at 4k.
>DLSS
Only faggots and poors (faggots) don't use it.

>>723157581
honestly, I picked up an $800 eizo screen with a 75hz refresh rate and I love it for gaming. Colors look so much better that I can forgive the low refresh rate.

>>723157581
>matte screen
holy bricked

>>723149496
>buy 600hz monitor
>turn on RTX ghosting
>yep, it's gaming time

>>723158728
>doesn't understand HDR
>nor can she read
Its okay, I'm here to educate you.

>>723158048
5ms is a lot even for sound latency lol
t. guitar fag

>>723159101
HDR400 is the bare minimun they can put to get away with actually calling it HDR, it's so shit it's not even worth turning on, you need at least 800 for it to be worth it

>>723157469
I have a PG27UCDM and I use it for work and programming, I've had it since release and I don't see any burn-in at all even in test images (xx% grey and various colors). 3 year warranty on it anyway, if it burns in in a noticeable manner within 3 years I'll get a replacement.
>>723158757
>DLSS
His 1060 can't run it anyway.

>>723149661
The CPU has very little to do with being able to use 4k. You could easily do great 4k with a 100-200 dollar cpu.

>>723159182
Concentrated poorfag cope :^)
I know because I used to be poor and came up with same retarded excuses not realizing how wrong I am

>>723159103
Humans are a lot more sensitive to sound latency than to visual.

>>723159182
I see you are unable to read the difference between HDR400 and TrueBlack 400. Trueblack 400 is a higher spec than HDR1000 in nearly every case.

I don't play with my face pressed up against my monitor so the detail contained in 1 square inch means nothing.

>>723158579
literally yes. And it has been researched to hell and back. "Roads create traffic" is a general rule.

https://smv.org/learn/blog/how-does-roadway-expansion-cause-more-traffic/
https://www.ucdavis.edu/magazine/does-widening-highways-ease-traffic-congestion
https://wvs-cars.co.uk/blog/sick-of-traffic-heres-why-adding-new-roads-almost-never-works/

It's a vicious cycle:

1. You have a road too congested
2. Additionally you now created more/bigger nodes in the existing road networks to access them (a node being a fork, crossing, roundabout, etc)
3. These additional nodes will increase waiting times, as well as risks of accidents on the existing roads
4. roads become more congested, including the new ones

Sometimes you can actually increase traffic flow by removing roads or by making them narrower. It is those nodes that create the waiting time and congestion in roads since they are the things that lead to the stop and go traffic. The fewer nodes you have and the less complicated they are (which requires narrow roads with not a lot of lanes), the faster these nodes are traversed.

Extra lanes can even incur "phantom nodes" because every time someone switches lanes the road behaves a little bit like a fork, requiring the people behind them to brake, which can lead to a rolling braking which can ultimately result in a jam that can take several minutes, even hours, to resolve.

>>723149584
This. 1080p is the 4channiest resolution for based kings such as ourselves. Let me guess, you need more?

By the way, if you can’t afford the 5090, you’re a thirdie and are not welcome in the PC Master Race. Based!

>>723158369
this is just what I needed, thanks
>>723158937
w-what's that supposed to mean

>>723159304
What are you talking about retard? True Black 400 has the same luminosity at normal HDR 400.

Fucking retard.

>>723155275
just upscale the UI with AI

>>723158597
Game devs are making shit for the ps5 the same way they made them for the ps4 it's nvidia that failed to keep up and instead sold all improvements as a higher tier for more money. That's why expensive as shit cards still struggle with new titles.

>>723150065
It's mostly about distance, if you are sitting close to your screen 4k will be better since the pixels will be noticeably smaller. If you sit a little further away though it matters less.

>>723149402 (OP)
show me a good 4k monitor, they don't exist so why swap to 4k?

>>723159460
So this is hdr to you?

>>723159431
>w-what's that supposed to mean
you're buying an oled for the contrast ratio and you bought a matte finish monitor which, while helping to reduce reflections, also muddies color accuracy and diffuses the light slightly. You won't be gaming outdoors so no reason to not go for glossy finish.

>>723159694
ROG Swift OLED PG48UQ

>>723159893
Glossy sucks period with the lights on. My living room TV is glossy, and if I don't turn off the lights, I'm looking at myself and the lamp next to me half the time.

>>723158579
We shouldn't make cagies lives too comfortable or else more people will convert to cagiedoom, it's not hard to understand.

>>723158579
They unironically do. More lanes means more traffic, even though that sounds retarded.

>>723149584
fpbp
/thread

>>723160342
>rush hour? nigga we do rush eternity

>>723160081
that's because your shitty third-worlder TV peaks out at 200 nits. also learn how to set up proper lighting.

>>723160471
6 more lanes will fix it

>>723160483
>the peak brightness matters when it's dark
Also, learn how to not be poor.

>>723159295
honey wake up a 4chan scientist came up with a new fact to try and save face

>>723158579
It's called reduced demand.
>wow, they expanded the tire microplastic city annihilating motorway megaplex from 14 to 17 lanes?
>commute will now be 45 minutes instead of one hour?
>wow, I now better move to that McMansion I was eyeing out at the copy pasted suburb and drive two hours per day to work, it's worth it now
>many people do this
>they take longer car journeys when otherwise they wouldn't have or would have used a metro or tram
>the new lanes are congested again

>>723149584
Whoever says anything against this is 100% a Nvidia shill or some brain dead person who has turned into a mouthpiece zombie for mega companies

>>723160731
>reduced
*induced
How did I even make this mistake, I'm on a computer

>>723149402 (OP)
High definition looks like THAT?

>>723160731
Only poors ride public transit. True freedom is owning a car.

>>723160552
it matters when it's bright, 3rd worlder, as your TV in a bright room is the topic of the conversation. do you have trouble with object permanence too? a brighter panel would have less reflections, and OLEDs have no issue with brightness.

>>723160853
name a single place worth travelling to that's worth buying a car for

>>723160854
>OLEDs have no issue with brightness
>despite being dim in comparison to MiniLED
Imagine doubling down on being wrong.

>>723149402 (OP)
what's the point when most modern games hide their graphics behind shit like camera shake, depth of field, fog, overtuned bloom, and a bunch of flashy effects?

>>723160910
Any place in the world? There's no place in the world I would willingly ride public transit with unwashed Switch owners. Fly somewhere? I'm renting a car.

>>723160913
OLED is brighter than 99% of none-HDR or HDR400 LCDs

>>723160967
name one

>>723161013
https://ontheworldmap.com/all/cities/

When will reddit screencaps become a bannable offense?

>>723161013
Granville ohio

>>723149402 (OP)
>Replies: 229
Crtl+f Reddit
Zero results

>>723161059
so you can't name one.

>>723160913
both OLEDs and miniLEDs with a glossy finish are perfectly capable in the brightness department for lit indoor environments, assuming you're not a retard that places lamps next to and behind himself, which circles back to my previous advice on setting up proper lighting.

Resolution niggers might be worse than audiofags.

>>723161091
you would pay $20k+ to travel to Granville Ohio?

>>723149402 (OP)
I keep playing at 1080p with a 3080ti and LG OLED TV.
Just because of the fan noise when playing at 4k.

>>723159867
>hurr durr 400 nits is better than 1000 nits

>>723149402 (OP)
If 2160p is so good, then why can I see the 2160p pixels on my 1080p monitor?

>>723161081
Same day /pol/bait is banned and rule3 is enforced. So the day when hiromoot either doesn't care about board traffic anymore or just straight up wants to kill /v/.

4K is nice for TVs but on a monitor you need to use excessive UI scaling and it's demanding as fuck to run anyway so 1440p is better. I have 2x 1440p monitors and a 4K TV. I use the 4K TV for gaming in bed and it's pretty comfy desu.

>>723161271
actual /pol/bait or just anything shitting on AAA games with ugly characters?

>>723160060
>47.5 inches
that isn't a monitor.

>>723161387
Those are the same thing.

>>723161387
If it devolves into
>reeee niggers
>reeee kikes
>reeee women
it's /pol/bait.

>>723149402 (OP)
IT'S ALL JUST A NUMBERS GAME YOU YOU HUH

>shitty third-worlder TV peaks out at 200 nits.
>and OLEDs have no issue with brightness.

Does this dumbass realise most OLED monitors are around 200 nits peak brightness in SDR I.e. the way 99% of people will be using their monitor in day to day usage? OLED brightness sucks. This isn't a disputed fact.

>>723161514
So if it's not /pol/bait and a single anon replies with "reeee niggers" then it's retroactively /pol/bait?

>>723161448
How convenient. Yes, /v/ would be much better if I could just market my AAA games in peace.

>>723149402 (OP)
>4k
>27" monitor
>reddit

>>723161519
SDR content is mastered to 80 or 120 nits as per srgb standard.

>>723161519
my OLED is 600-700nits.
double what a regular LCD monitor has

>>723161841
My MiniLED is 1000 nits. My neighbor said he went out in his driveway to smoke, and he could see light blooms around my blackout curtains. He thought I was welding.

>>723161953
yes. my LCD is 1000nits too. HDR looks better on the OLED though

>>723149584
you and all the retards agreeing are indian.
>60fps in 2025
120 fps + mogs it to the fucking stone age.

4k is meme, just like 27in monitor.

>>723149402 (OP)
i dont sit like a retard in front of TV's and monitors, so 1080p still looks crisp like when it was novelty. Im not upgrading for the next 20 of even 30 years

Also, and i dont play games like those snoys movies where they are obseseed with female facial hair.

>>723162198
>i dont play games
I know.

>>723149402 (OP)
Because I play at 3440x1440p and my 4090 at 100% usage in AAA games, even old ones. I've been playing Metro Exodus maxed out and it hovers around 120-130 fps when my monitor could do 165. If 60 fps was my target 4k would be fine, but why wouldn't you go for 100+ when every monitor supports it?

>>723149584
I kind of agree with this.
When using 1440p or 4k you pretty much have to upscale your display and you effectively end up on a 1080p or lower resolution anyway. So there's absolutely no benefit in using these to the point where I just ended up replacing all my monitors with 1920x1080 and 1920x1200 ones.
Higher refresh rates are definitely noticeable, but you can live without them. I personally prefer having 120Hz+ displays, but I don't mind 60Hz.

>>723162198
>1080p still looks crisp like when it was novelty
So you're just old and your eyes don't work

>>723161841
Maybe in HDR on a 2% window. We're not talking about HDR. OLEDs such as the latest QD-OLED 280hz panels are artificially limited to ~250 nits in SDR peak brightness because the panel will literally kill itself or burn-in rapidly if its any brighter. We all use SDR for browsing the web and all non gaming tasks, and most of us use SDR for gaming too. So 250 nits sucks.

>>723162034
HDR looks best on a miniled. enjoy your ABL dimming.

>>723149554
We can't even get steady performance at 1080
Until devs unfuck themselves 4k is and will always be a meme
never should have given up crt

>>723162340
>So 250 nits sucks.
You really have no idea how bright 250nits actually is.

>>723158709
>why do you care if you're being lied to, it's just a diamond bro
>you can't tell the difference anyway

>>723162427
I own the 3rd monitor on that list so I know what double 250 nits actually is.

The CRT my parents had growing up was like 90 nits and it was fine. Fucking HDR cocksuckers

>>723150331
there are two axis

>>723158728
OLEDs are vastly better for HDR even if they can do "only 400" when full screen. Most of them can do 1000 locally which is more than enough for most usecases. Most LCD monitors are liquid dogshit for HDR due to no local dimming but look at all these nits they can do!

>>723149402 (OP)
I use a 4K monitor for the microscopic PPI and scale it down to lower resolutions, as far as I need to go for a good framerate. 4K can do variable resolutions like CRT used to do because it doesn't end up with fucked-up pixels.

some games I play at 4K
most games I play at 1800p
a few games I go down to 1440p
1080p starts to get blurry/pixelated but if a game runs like shit I do it.
it just werks.

>>723162285
Upscaling isn't literally just stretching a lower resolution image to 4k. It's magic.
https://imgsli.com/NDIxODYx

>>723150025
>Faggot thinks image resolution is the same as display resolution

>>723149402 (OP)
None of that extra resolution means shit unless there's better texturing and shading to produce more natural light for more natural-looking environments.

>>723158597
Optimization is a completely lost skill now. If you were to tell modern developers that once Square got a 40-hour JRPG onto a 6Mb Nintendo cartridge, they'd look confused. They'd probably shit the bed with rage if it was their jobs to produce Final Fantasy XII and have it run smoothly on the PS2's hardware. NONE of them know how to hardware-optimize now under the belief that the customers can just go buy more capacity.

>>723162715
>4K can do variable resolutions like CRT
It's a fixed resolution display. Not it can't.

>>723162951
He's right, though. If you're not on a 4k or better display, you can't see all the detail in a 4k image. At 1080p, you lose 3/4 of the image.
>>723163008
Even old games look better at high resolutions.

>>723162951
You are sub 100iq lmao

>>723162582
400 nits is barely acceptable for sdr.

>>723149402 (OP)
27"/1440p is more than enough for the rest of my lifetime
television marketing memes will never claim me

>>723163178
Nobody cares how bright a full-white screen is retard. You can't do true HDR on an LCD TV due to dogshit contrast and you absolutely have never seen even a mockery of an HDR image if your monitor doesn't have extensive local dimming. Which it doesn't unless you use a TV.

>>723163178
It's almost twice enough for SDR.
https://www.steakunderwater.com/VFXPedia/__man/Resolve18-6/DaVinciResolve18_Manual_files/part297.htm

>>723157308
We dont need eyeballs where we're going, laddie.

>>723162582
HDR is 50% of the experience so never buy a TV/monitor based solely off HDR performance. Both OLED and the latest and greatest miniLED monitors have great HDR performance but OLEDs fall off considerably when using SDR because of inherent panel limitations.

>>723157492
Cuz we can't all be rich. There are the fruitpickers and then there are the plantation owners.

>>723163414
>can't afford an OLED monitor/TV so you call others poor
Incredible mental gymnastics. They should rangeban the third world.

>>723163474
lol nothing you wrote is based on reality

>>723163524
>no OLED monitor over $2000
>but the poor people are the ones with $2500 MiniLEDs
Good morning, sir.

>>723163326
Yeah, no. >>723162476

>>723162789
I meant downscaling >>723162285 When you're on resolutions above 1080p you pretty much always have to set your display scale to 150%-200%, which just makes your display equivalent to a 1080p screen or lower. At that point the only benefit is inherent anti-aliasing due to more dense pixels (assuming the same surface area).
I personally don't buy displays so large where the difference between 1080p and 4k is even noticeable at all.

>>723157716
Leaning back is overrated

>>723163587
what $2500 miniLED?

>>723149584
This is the best anon. He has common sense. We should all be like him.

>>723163569
If you say so. Prove it wrong.

>>723149584
This except the 60fps part. Anything under 120 feels like shit.
But yeah, anything above 1080 is a fucking meme.

>>723163664
>playing at slideshow framerates
No thanks.

>>723163587
>be you
>have an IQ of 45 and the same skincolor as cow shit
>small Mumbai village boy with a Pentium 4
>mix up miniLED and microLED
>hit Submit

>>723163504
You can't save $2000 every 4 years? There is a high chance you are either underage or a NEET.

i like my games running at 4K and stuttering constantly

>>723149402 (OP)
1440 is fine for most people sitting at a normal distance from the monitor

>>723162427
My monitor can literally do 1400 nits you gay gaslighting retard.

>>723163601
It doesn't matter what you like. SDR above 203 is artificially brighter than HDR. You don't need more brightness, you need more contrast. An OLED at 200 nits still looks infinitely better than an LCD at 400 nits.

>>723151169
>TAA a.k.a. the most vaseline form of AA ever invented by humanity
Nice fucking try.

>>723163749
>be you
>not knowing
>thinking a MicroLED would be available for under $100k
>and on a PC monitor
>be you
>gay
>stupid
>fat
>poor
Stop being poor. You can't afford to pay attention.

>>723163326
Nigga this is for movies and shit. Not gaming. But even then better displays with higher brightness provide a superior viewing experience. OLED manufactures have been chasing higher brightness for ages because its the most important thing to them. LG just released its new OLED panel tech and the number 1 most advertised feature is the brightness increase. But they increased brightness by adding a white pixel which adds more white brightness but actual colour brightness is still inferior to QD-OLED and MiniLED.

Depends on how big your monitor is.

>>723160227
A lot of people unironically fully believe this. Including a ton of politicians. That's why they constantly make everything difficult for us. It's literally artificial suffering.

>>723163916
>somebody actually bought an Ark
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>723163862
see >>723163861

>>723149402 (OP)
the majority of PC players are stuck at 1080p

>>723160506
Flying cars will save us

>>723164059
Get me some tendies while you're there. Hopefully that budget monitor of yours left you with a couple of dollars.

>>723163916
This nigger actually bought a $2500 VA panel holy shit.

Does anyone downscale from their native resolution? And if so, why?

>>723164086
Yes china is the only region that matters.

>>723163916
Anon... VA? Really?

>>723164268
There was no real alternative.

>built a new PC with a 9800X3D and 5070 Ti
>still on my old TN 1080p 144 Hz monitor
>want to look into getting something new

Are OLEDs properly usable yet? Is burn-in solved?

>>723164154
They should preserve your brain in a jar for study you absolute primal retard specimen. I paid a grand less for a 65" OLED TV that absolutely shits down the throat of that panel. No wonder you are out here defending full-white screen brightness when you can't live down such a personal investment flop.

>>723164307
QD OLED
You legit fell for the burn in meme so hard you paid $2k more lmao

>>723163862
This is a dumb post because almost everything is wrong. Define LCD because they come in a range of types. IPS? VA? Standard back-light? MiniLED back-light? A VA miniLED display with local dimming and 400 nits will provide a far better viewing experience than an OLED at 200 nits because contrast is the difference between the brightest and the darkest elements and a VA miniLED can turn off entire sections of the back-light while also being able to display double the peak brightness as the OLED so the perceived contrast will be way better on the "LCD". Contrast isn't just about how dark the display can get. Just look at the latest miniLED TVs they have OLED rivalling contrast now because they can get darker than ever and also brighter than ever. If you don't believe me check RTINGs.com.

>>723160910
I hear greece is nice this time of the year.

>>723149402 (OP)
what I'm getting from that image is that I should play in 1440p on a 1080p monitor

>>723164401
You can't get a decent size one one with a decent refresh rate.

>>723160853
>buying a car in a world full of taxists
?

>>723164402
Anything less than per-pixel dimming is cope, plain and simple.

>>723164315
Burn in will never go away.
You should ask, how long does it take to get noticeable burn in instead.

>>723162350
Microled is the future, though.

>>723164474
Not going to pay insurance or any sort of road tax that is for sure.

>>723160853
>>723164474
>not parkouring your way across the concrete jungles

I CAN'T FIND 1(ONE) GOOD 4K MONITOR
>plastic build quality
>low nits
>bad color range
>heavy as a truck
>heat powerhouse
>OLED, more like LOLED in a few years
>bloated features such as built-in speakers and CSGO cheats

>>723164461
I got literally the cheapest one and I highly doubt I'd need more than 32"

>>723164403
Quality bait.

i have a 1080p monitor from 2011

>>723149402 (OP)
1. 1440p is standard so everything is built for it
2. 4k oled is retarded expensive
3. you need much better hardware to run games on it. I don't feel like buying a 5090.

Simple as.

>>723162532
only if you'd call it 4k2k

>>723149584
Based and same.

I enjoy being visually impaired and not seeing any difference.
I went back to 1080p 144hz and don't have a worry in the world about upgrades.

>>723164501
Well shit. I do a lot of productive work and I assume the UIs from my programs that stay there a lot will fuck it up.

What are those microleds and quantum dots I keep hearing about?

I had to get a 4K monitor because a lot of the rule 34 pics that I look at go beyond what a 1080p monitor could handle.

>>723164532
2 more years for real this time.

>>723164483
if your monitor can't do >1000 nits at 75% APL you didn't experience true HDR, sorry. I have a 1400 nit miniLED and a QD-OLED monitor sitting right next to each other, and it's incredible how similar they are in dark scenes while the miniLED completely blows away the OLED in bright scenes. Go ahead and guess which is which, then proceed to cope however you wish.

>>723163030
not in the literal sense of a CRT you pedantic faggot, no shit. I mean the pixels are so small it can do variable resolutions in practice because you don't get the fucked up non-native distortion. hell these days you can even enable integer scaling for 1080p on a 4k and there is no distortion at all, just big pixels.

this isn't 2015 anymore, where you are stuck in native 1080 and can't flex it. high DPI screens can flex the shit out of it.

>>723164315
They burn in. Sometimes in under two years. Do not get one if you can only fit one monitor. Move your taskbar to the other screen, download OLED themes for internet browsers and other programs you want to use regularly.
When playing games or watching movies it's simply unparalleled though so it all depends how you use it. I bought an OLED TV, monitor and smartphone but I made sure to buy a miniLED laptop for static work like Word documents.

>>723149584
I play in 4K@240 fps :^)
4K is BiS for old and indie games, the only reason to stay on 1080p is if you're a poorfag f2p slopper

>>723164564
If you have more than room temperature IQ you'll know why it isn't bait. Hint: your beloved crt didn't go beyond srgb.

>>723164483
Maybe if you live in a basement with no windows and lights. In a typically lit or dim room OLED and LCD have perceptibly the same black levels but one will be noticeably brighter. There is an entire science behind it and how our eyes perceive light. It's why bias lighting kits exist to make your viewing experience better.

4k is good for text legibility which is excellent for people who read, write, program, etc.
vidya is a side benefit but at 4x the pixels it taxes your card much more. upscaling is obviously not a replacement for native render but it's acceptable if you don't want to upgrade.

>>723164638
>1080p for vidya
>4k for hentai
As god intended

>>723164681
I am pedantic about it because literal children browse this thread and they WILL parrot retarded shit like that if not corrected.

>>723162789
Okay, but why does it look the exact same? Isn 4k supposed to make it look way better, or something?

>>723164664
miniled on right - you can see the blooming.

>>723149584
look at all the brown people responding to this lmao. Imagine being proud of being poor and stupid

>>723149584
You're brown

>>723160910
Philadelphia. Or let me rephrase your question
>name one place where not owning a car would be insane because the public transit is full of junkies, criminals, and rapists

>>723149402 (OP)
Except everything ends up looking like left anyway because lmao DLSS and TAA

>>723164638
I really, really hope you got one with HDR. I almost ripped my dick off when I saw how colorful my collection became.

>>723164771
kek

>>723164628
MicroLED is still beyond consumer market.
Mostly reserved to huge and very expensive TVs.
QD is just samsung tech to get higher color volume.
If you work a lot with static UI elements there are also MiniLED which are basically LCDs with MiniLED backlight.

>>723164557
I'm addicted to 55".
>>723164754
If you're not looking at it on 4k, you're not going to see it. But it looks substantially better and less blurry upscaled than at 1080p here.

>>723164664
Left is obviously OLED, the darker areas have more detail there because of per-pixel ability.

>>723164717
My CRT is collecting dust in a closet.

>>723163785
It's primarily a principle thing, really.

>>723153976
Cameras don't do justice to CRTs.

>>723164779
>I'm retarded enough to live in an area where I will get bummed and shot if I don't buy a car.

>>723164976
How does the guy running your school factor into this?
>>723164779
That's pretty much every city. You couldn't pay me to ride a train or a bus.

Got an 27' OLED 1440p recently. I'm pretty satisfied.

>>723164753
fair enough

4K can *effectively* do variable resolutions *similar to* CRT because the PPI is small enough to hide any fucked-up pixels.

>>723164771
>>723164874
>>723164961
lol nope, dead wrong.
Left is Q27G40XMN VA miniLED
Right is AW2725DF QD-OLED

>>723164646
I believe you

>>723165117
It does run into similar problems as any fixed-resolution display when the source cannot be properly integer scaled.

>>723165153
Nope. My preconceived notion changes reality.

>>723165097
I'm too spoiled by 4K for that, if I can see the pixels the screen is too big IMO.

>>723149402 (OP)
i only have a 9070xt and play on 1080
could i jump up resolutions?

>>723163785
I'm a neet and i still have a 4090, i get lifetime government autism bucks. Point being it's way less than an average basic job and i still manage to comfortably afford a 4090 and a 65" qd-oled tv as well as managing my rent and sch just fine and have enough money to buy other stuff. Maybe it's because i don't waste money on door dash and starbucks or countless slop subscriptions like netflix or spotify or youtube red

Buy an OLED TV and a mini LED monitor. It's the best of both worlds.

>>723149584
This

>>723165346
Well there you have it. A literal NEET can afford 4k gaming, yet there are people here complaining they can't afford it. Something isn't adding up.

>>723165346
>not spending $200/night on doordash
You haven't lived.

>>723165153
You'll switch then around as needed to justify your point but the blooming is obvious on the right, which makes it the miniled. The blooming on the dude on the roof where the right side is against the pitch black has bloom around it in the right image but not in the left.

>>723165421
>a gibs nigger can afford stuff
Ok so just give me money and I can afford stuff too

>>723164010
It is not a belief, it is a fact. Cagies are a blight on this world.

>>723165493
This only makes sense if you don't have a job at all. If you have a job you should be able to afford more than a neet on government gibs

>>723149402 (OP)
>the thing YOU have is never good enough
I hate this narrative.

>>723154263
get a job

>>723165558
Not necessarily, that depends entirely on the country in question and how much retard gibs you get. Here in Finland getting a job can actually lower your surplus monthly income due to taxes and transportation fees.

>>723165153
wow, it's been a while since someone coped so hard
hurts, doesn't?

>>723165558
not true when every expense is subsidized
if you have to pay full price for everything that makes a bigs difference

>>723165689
When your chief exports are Dolan, Spurdo Sparde, and Apu Apustaja; what do you expect?

>>723165207
yes but with 27-32 inch displays the PPI is borderline microscopic, it really does alleviate the biggest issues of non-native resolutions on fixed displays. the difference is almost completely imperceptible when going down to, say, 1800p, which is like a 40% fps bump over native 4K. you only really run into visible distortion distortion once you start going into really small resolution like 1440, and even then because of the extreme DPI it's just a bit of gaussian blur, which can you can just lean back in your chair.

>>723165754
Those were created by our "NEET"s which are in reality full time culture warriors exporting finnish excellence abroad via the internet.

>>723165538
I'll remember this if my government ever dares to try and draft me against russia in my lifetime.

>>723165835
Wars are fought with drones anyway.

>>723149402 (OP)
>He uses a monitor instead the superior television experience
Any screen below 20in in height is unusable. garbage

>>723149402 (OP)
1440p? 4k? nah, i'm playing in 240p
I literally bought a device to go from 480i to 240p because less resolution is better.

>>723165689
I get around the equivelant of $2000 a month in Norway
>>723165695
Nothing is subsidized, i pay the same price for everything just the same as everyone else. other than getting the money of course which is a big thing, but basically any job earns more than that which is my point.
I still pay for my rent, electricity, food, whatever other expenses anyone else pays for
So anyone with a job should have even less of a problem affording any gpu they want if they just save a little bit ahead. i also splurge on plenty of other stuff all the time as well so it's not like i just saved all my money for a gpu and tv

>>723165456
There is no blooming on the right, and the small highlights being dimmer on the left are a dead giveaway that you're looking at a miniLED, the zones (1152) are still too large to make small zones like that bright without excessive blooming. You can see the white power LED on the left monitor corresponds to the exact spot here. But by all means, continue to embarrass yourself with your reality bending, utterly pathetic cope.

>>723164315
OLED is for people who are fine with buying a new $1000-2000 TV/monitor every 2-3 years. they aren't workhorses.

>>723164552
there's no such thing as a perfect monitor, choose the 2-3 features you actually want and try to ignore the rest whilst shopping.

>>723165950
>$2000 a month
I should've pursued a career in retardation.

I'll switch to 4k when a sub-$1000 graphics card can do path traced 4k 144hz without fake frames

>>723165919
>not playing Megaman 3 in 3D at 4k like it was intended

>>723165950
You dont get food stamps or government housing?
Do you pay taxes?
Also most intro level jobs aren't full time and is your neet bucks based on your states minimum wage?

But I've had a 4K OLED monitor for a year and a half now? And it still looks beautiful on every startup, but I did need a 5090 to keep games at 120+ fps

>>723162459
>fucking women excuse of caring how much their engagement ring is worth

Actually kys

>>723166257
this would be neat to do on a CRT

>>723149496
What's wrong with a 4K 60hz monitor? Your eyes can't tell above 60FPS anyway.

>>723166257
That's pretty cool too, but i "need" the CRT TV and the raspi to test the art of the game i'm developing on TV because it's the way old developers did it (tm).

Except when they didn't, or was a IBM PC game.

I'm a dirtpoor faggot who bought a used 4k@60 asus gayming monitor for $50, it lasted about 2 years but there's a dead light near the top. it still works well enough to use but I just know it's gonna fail me soon and I'm too poor to buy another 4K monitor.

midrange rigs can absolutely make use of a 4K screen, don't let the spec chasers gatekeep good tech. you don't even need to hit the stupid 144-200fps of the monitor, you can turn on black frame insertion and still benefit from it.

>>723165972
>had to switch them around
holy kek
next time hide the cables so it's not so obvious

>>723166327
They can, and you can't do fancy CRT simulation thing like:
https://blurbusters.com/crt-simulation-in-a-gpu-shader-looks-better-than-bfi/

Because I don't sit a foot away from my screen you fucking weirdo.

>>723166260
No, i have to pay rent to a landowner that isn't connected in any way to the governemnt and i am charged just like any other renter, i don't have an option for government housing, i pay full taxes yes. i don't get any food stamps no. there are other government gibs where you can get such things but that's not what i get. i am treated just like any other citizen other than getting the gibs of course

I am not fully sure what my bucks are based on because it's a lot of different factors that i haven't bothered getting into since i got what i got, but it's different levels determined on factors such as doctors assessement on your work abillity and such
But essentially it's no different than if someone worked a job that earned $2000 dollars a month, no other special treatment besides the money itself

>>723149402 (OP)
@ me when they offer an OLED ultrawide 4k monitor and GPUs become powerful enough to push said resolutions at above 120 fps. I'm not being sassy, that's just when I'll upgrade from 3440x1440 OLED.

>>723166327
there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. there are huge benefits to high hz monitors, but there are huge benefits to high resolution monitors as well. ideally you should get a monitor with at least 180hz because 85-90hz is the magic number where the eye starts seeing the screen as genuinely fluid movement and the flicker stops hurting your eyes

>>723166838
You can play older (and better) games at this resolutions and frame rates.

>>723163083
Except he isn't. Display resolution refers to pixels per inch. An image that is Quote unquote 4k isn't going to be 4k dpi. It's going to be 2160 pixels in height.

>>723166554
the problem with the crt sim shader is that it can only do 60fps, which strains the eyes. better for emulation but for PC games or anything modern bfi is still better.

>>723165627
I mean you don't need other people to tell you this, you will just automatically always want more. That's human nature. And the driving force behind progress.

>>723166838
you don't need more than 90fps, you only think you do because nobody makes 90hz monitors so you can't tell that they're almost imperceptible

>>723167138
I can tell the difference between 90 and 120, I'm afraid. I ran a CRT at 90 Hz when I got my first LCD TN 120 Hz panel 15 years ago.

>>723167043
Well, if you have a high refresh rate screen you can do both.

>>723167013
He said
>im on a 1080p monitor and I see the 4k image just fine
and the other anon responded
>yeah, if you zoom in
which is correct. On the first anon's 1080p monitor, he will never see the entire 4k image unless he blows it up to 400%, since he can only display the pixels of one quarter of the image at once.

>>723166980
I buy cutting edge for new games as support for high resolutions and framerates are spotty at best when old games are concerned.

>>723149402 (OP)
I do not pause the game to examin a still frame under the microscope.

I'm waiting for new WOLED 4k 32" with glossy finish.
Until then 1440p IPS stays on my desk.

>>723149584
same but I upscale it to 4k on my 60hz 4k monitor and it kinda rules

>>723167510
Well, then i have bad news for you.
Both high resolutions and high frame rates are mostly a lie now.
All the TAAs lie to you.

>>723167728
yet higher resolutions and frame rates still look better

>>723167728
I turn AA off and just use SSAA if performance allows. I grew up with a PS1, I don't have a stroke if I see aliasing.

>>723149402 (OP)
the only reason to go higher resolution is to avoid the DOGSHIT rendering practices that developers love destroying their games with
and even then you still have MASSIVE GHOSTING

A 4090 isn't enough for comfy 4k
This resolution isn't worth it

>>723167930
Yes they do.
But my actual argument is not that they're not bad.
My argument is that you should get a high refresh rate 4k screen even if your GPU is not that hot, because you still can benefit from it thru older games and emulation shit.
Having good motion quality and colors go a long way as well.

Even something like the windows 95 windows solitaire gets better if your screen is not cheap LCD trash.

>>723168083
>MASSIVE GHOSTING
no you don't

>>723168137
what is ghosting

anyone know of a fuck huge 1440p monitor?

>>723168189
delay in the previous pixel value updating to the new pixel value

>>723149584
I play on 1080p 144fps. I need more fps. more fps is always better.

>>723149402 (OP)
okay but even disregarding the retarded ratio how is this even 4K? it's even worse than the 2^10 = 10^4 hack
can't they manage to get anything right?

>>723168117
>Only new AAA garbage exists
I'm not even sorry for people like you.

>>723168189
A MISERABLE PILE OF PREVIOUS FRAMES!

>>723168117
This. I'm not sure what the fuck they were thinking but Last Light Redux stuttered hard on a 4090 and Very High at 1440p. Had to drop it to High and even then the later stages had stuttering.
>b-but it's a dev issue
Tale as old as time. I bought a top end card to bruteforce through incompetence. If I can't do that what am I paying for?

>>723149402 (OP)
1080p looks like 4k on this pic when you don't use DLSS and framegen garbage

>>723149584
Based and anti-consumerism pilled

>>723149402 (OP)
Most of the best games ever made were intended to be played from 480p-1080p screens.

There's a reason why the PS4 is called the Bloodborne player. 1440p 120hz is more then enough.

>>723152725
its fine when it dosent make the imperfections of the game stand out MORE

>>723168621
Bloodborne is one of the games where 1080p is really too low. The game's modeling and artstyle really does deserve a higher resolution and I'm eternally buttmad that they didn't release a Pro patch.

>>723168621
Using consoles as a benchmark for what tech should aspire for is like using an e-scooter as a benchmark for what a jet plane should aspire for

Is there a good 1440p miniled that's not a VA panel?

>>723168117
You can downgrade a 4k display to 1080p without much issues since 3840x2160 divides neatly by 2 into 1920x1080.

>>723168776
Sure what I'm saying is besides Bloodborne there's not much else. I thought witcher 3 was just ok. Maybe assassin's black flag if you like Ubisoft games.

Most of the blur from post 1080p really comes from motion rather then still shots.

>>723168860
MiniLED and VA go hand in hand which is why that's the only combination you can get in TVs and monitors. VA has the best contrast out of all LCD tech by a mile which is why they use miniLED to further increase the contrast which is perfect for HDR. For comparison the best contrast you can achieve with IPS is like 1200:1 and miniLEDs or any local dimming backlight does nothing for it because the inherent contrast is shit. IPS can't get very dark ans tends to glow which is even worse.

>>723169136
Obviously the motion is blurry, all the games you mentioned are 30 fps, most of the time dipping lower. Obviously making any fast camera movements will turn the picture into absolute mush.

>>723168354
I want to play EVERYTHING at a comfy framerate.

>>723168438
Until the massive incompetency issue gets solved, we won't get a true 4k card in forever.

>>723149402 (OP)
Are AMD gpus complete trash?
Should I go Nvidia?

>>723169279
Well RIP, I can't stand VA panels. There was some Xiaomi IPS MiniLED that I saw recommended on rtings but then I looked into reviews and apparently since a year ago they ship with new software that gives them a permanent red tint that can't be fixed. Shame, I would've gone for that one

>>723169294
Videogames aren't movies. Even in gameplay trailers the dude barely moves the camera and is slowly looking around the environment.

>>723149402 (OP)
GPU's and CPU's can't render 4K without stuttering and have to be cooled with leaf blower to not thermal throttle itself to death.
1440p is fine, hell 1080p is the real peak of gaming. Being a 4K fag is almost as insufferable as being a tranny honestly.

>>723169316
I wouldn't be so negative. I'd say 3440x1440p is the current maximum for AAA gaming at high framerates. If you buy flagship models you can probably enjoy high framerate 4k in 6 to 8 years. I'd call that a realistic estimate as remember the whole "4k gaming" meme began to hit big in marketing as early as 2016.

I didn't read the thread, but 1080p on 24" IPS monitor is all I will ever use, and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind.

>>723150809
>but no one is going back from 4K
Well duh, the buyer's remorse is too great with 4K

I game on my tv despite using a pc with a 4090, so yes i do need 4K

>>723169460
Nvidia offers the most complete experience. Basically ticks all boxes for whatever anyone would want to use their GPU for from gaming to editing to AI shit and all that stuff. "It just werks" as the saying goes.

AMD isn't as refined and doesn't have comparable feature and driver support, but they tend to put their eggs all in the gaming basket so you generally find AMD cards providing competitive gaming performance for generally a bit cheaper. But it all depends, because AMD historically uses more power and fell quite badly behind in the AI tech race (vs DLSS) and that matters to a lot of people nowadays as much as raw performance. Also RT performance was worse. They seem to have caught up a bit with the latest gen, but it's being compared to a kind of half-gen for nvidia where they didn't really do anything. We'll see how AMD stands up to nvidias next generation leap.

>>723169773
based TV bro
monitors suck ass
give me the screen size

>>723169485
Video games and movies use extensively panning shots. Bloodborne is an excellent example of a fast-paced game stuck with 30 fps and horrid temporal resolution.

>>723149584
>>723150395
>>723150702
My 1080p60 24'' is ideal for my PS3 & PS4 and PS1 and PS2 emulation. But if you wanted bigger monitor for PC & PS5 gaming so I switched to 27'' 1440p 200Hz.
2.5 K is my new sweet spot. I'm gonna stay here for next 10 years+.

>>723169671
Bruh, if your game stutters at 4K because of CPU it will do the same at lower resolutions.

>>723166962
I don't see any flicker at all. And I do have an 83" 4k LG OLED C1 I play video on. Besides the brightness being better, it looks the same as my 32" 60hz IPS 4k computer monitors.

>>723169671
Higher resolution is more likely to give your CPU a lighter workload and create less stuttering.

>>723162476
>VA

>>723164084
I too love blooming.

>>723150025
>1600x900
-_-

>>723149402 (OP)
>play at 1080p
>everything looks great and feels perfect
>play at 1440p
>everything feels kinda choppy and you can barely notice any differences
>play at 4k
>literally unplayable
>at least you can admire the full frame since you won't see anything else for a while

>>723158709
If you mean in a game with awful TAA slop that destroys half the resolution anyways, yeah I guess so.

>>723170991
LCDfags really do. They grew up during the mid to late 00s and seeing bloom makes them nostalgic. Just thank your lucky stars the trend wasn't chromatic aberration.

>>723149402 (OP)
time stopped in graphics land. 1440p was playable almost 15 years ago but 4k just never caught on. crazy world

>>723171018
>trannymote

>>723169136
You have to be in the right mindset go play the witcher. The first tkme i tried it, i thought it was super boring, but the next time i played it, it had somehow become the most gripping 10/10 game i had ever played.

i'll take 4k60 over 1080p180 any day, anything over 60 is superfluous

>>723171639
i know you're just baiting, but there are people who actually think this

>>723171639
Consoooooooom, goy.

>>723149584
This
/thread
Based
Keyed

any reason for me to not just buy this monitor? if a game is too demanding, switch back to 1080p, switch back to 4k when browsing/media.

>>723171706
i'm absolutely not baiting. my main monitor is 4k120 but i wouldn't have cared if it was 60

>>723149584
I play on 1080p because my eyes literally cannot tell the difference once a game is in motion and I'm actually playing. Game runs smoother and my rig doesn't turn into a space heater.
Maybe looking at still images in 4k is some kind of fetish, or my eyes are just bad now that I'm not a twitchy sugar filled kid anymore.

>>723171801
yeah yeah, funny guy

>>723149402 (OP)
I'd rather play ultrawide in 1440p than widescreen in 4k.

>>723171526
ò_ó

>>723171836
anything over 60 is just "oh, that's neat i guess"
i got 4k because i thought 1440p was not enough for photo editing and text rendering

Graphics don't need to go past this.

>OLEDs burn in and are a hassle
>IPS sucks dick with backlighting/contrast
>VA is unusable because of smearing
>TNs not made anymore apart from funny 540 Hz 1080p models
>can't run 4k comfortably despite having a good system

I want a new 1440p monitor to replace my old 1080p TN and there's literally nothing to buy

>>723172006
That looks really good for a Switch 2 game.

>>723171778
Research how it displays that 1080p. If it does it via lagless integer scaling then sure. I've heard that that's not always the case resulting in a blurry image. Mind you you can do that 1080p to 4k scaling in software, even without a purpose-made monitor, your gain is solely the higher VHz.

>>723172025
>>OLEDs burn in and are a hassle
i've had my oled tv for 7 years now without burn in, are monitors just worse or something?

>>723149402 (OP)
Don't care, resolutions above 1080p are a meme, all I care about nowis refresh rate.
1000hz monitors when?

>>723162113
consoom harder dicksucking goy

>>723172101
Monitors are used differently than tvs. Tvs almost always have changing and varied content as opposed to the same desktop icons and task bar every time you use a PC.

>>723172269
that makes sense. but i've also heard from people who say oled tvs suck and burn in, i absolutely do not have that problem

>>723172101
Not really and nothing stops you from buying a small TV for monitor use. The issue is that PC use is full of static UI elements.

>>723172025
OLEDs are the way to go unless you are a single monitor peasant.

>>723172101
>TV

I assume you only use it for media, since I do productivity shit or even browse a lot on my PC I'd get UI elements there sooner or later even if I hide my taskbar. I want some kind of all-rounder monitor that would be okay at everything. Hell I need two of them since I don't want just one, I'd work better with two screens at once.

I've been browsing rtings for the past hour and I don't see anything suitable.

>>723149402 (OP)
Impressive...very nice...
Now show me a game without TAA

>>723149808
>4k 55fps
not if you're white

>>723172365
>unless you are a single monitor peasant.
See
>>723172418
I'd want to be using both monitors even for productivity at the same time, it's much more efficient. There's also no space on my desk for a third

>>723172323
Well burn in is a consequence of displaying the same thing for a long enough time that the pixel gets stuck displaying that thing. If you're not watching the news channel for hours every day your chances of burn in are automatically lessened. OLED pixels will eventually degrade and cause uniformity and brightness issues, something you're probably experiencing but can't perceive as you can't remember what it looked like new.

>>723168860
>>723169279
the retard is lying.
first local dimming helps ips more than VA. the retarded shill doesn't even understand how local dimming works or how va and ips work.

Second VA is not meant for gaming, DO NOT get a VA monitor for gaming.

>>723172503
Poorfags speak in hyperboles to make themselves feel better. If you play 4k120, it's 240p upscaled and then 95% of the frames are generated. Also "shader compilation stutter" and "goyslop" will be in their descriptions.

>>723172442
The Sega Mega Drive output RGB natively and the blurring was supposed to be done by a commerical CRT monitor displaying RGB. This is something people overlook when emulating or displaying the games on a sample-and-hold shitbox.

>>723172442
>composite was soul
r u telling me taa is soul too? nice

>>723171317
more like
>play on 1080p
>everything looks blurry and I can't see past 20 feet of my character
>go on /v/ and complain about how graphics haven't improved in the past 15 years but performance keeps getting worse

>>723172598
when the screen goes fully gray there are very faint streaks on it, not worse than lcd panel uniformness. really quite good picture still after using it every day

>>723172640
>first local dimming helps ips more than VA.
Are you retarded? Local dimming does nothing for it because the contrast is fucking dogshit regardless. If there is a white box against a black background on IPS, it doesn't matter if you can turn off all the zones around it, when that zone lights up you'll get massive blooming unlike VA which has by far the best native contrast, and local dimming just makes it better as they complement each other. The higher the native contrast, the more impact local dimming has.

>>723172640
shut up retard you don't know what you're talking about. Getting a miniled ips totally destroys the purpose of the tech
>muh va panels bad :(
You're like 15 years in the past

>>723171639
60 is too low. I think 80 is when it begins to feel smooth, and 120 is perfect.

>>723172827
this is exactly what those retards do, graphics haven't improved is the biggest npc talking point and just proves you're ether a retarded npc or a poorfag

>>723173095
i don't disagree that it doesn't feel smoother, but like... after 10 seconds you just get used to either 60 or 120, right? i don't even think about the frame rate at all as long as i'm at 60 or above, under it that's when the choppyness appears

>>723172827
>>723173197
for a lot of modern games, graphics haven't improved though. some outliers absolutely do, but those are few and far between. last of us 2 is still one of the best looking games even now and it's 5 years old

>>723172961
>Are you retarded? Local dimming does nothing for it because the contrast is fucking dogshit regardless.
You are the retard.
the ips has bad contrast because it's tech is bad at blocking backlight.
If you use local dimming, than the zones that are dark and have no lighting behind it, have. no. light. there is nothing to block.
>b-b-b-but I want to block the light in the zones that are light up.
COPE, get a OLED then if you want to get high contrast on small detail. There is no point in getting a VA and SMEARING DARK SHIT ALL OVER THE SCREEN when you are gaming in retarded hopes of having slightly less bloom in the zones that are lit up.

not going to read the rest of your post because you are actively lying or retarded, shilling VA for gaming, FUCK YOU.

>>723173078
imagine being so destroyed and malicous you decide to double post me with your retarded shit.

>>723172442
It's not even the composite cable itself.
The sega genesis just have a really poor composite output.

>>723172827
>>723173312
A 4k monitor can't fix the TAA bastarization of graphics.

>>723160731
>people want something
>you make the thing so they can have it
>they use it
>wow we created this demand out of nothing
No you just underestimated the demand because you are a braindead spreadsheet monkey with no imagination or forward thinking capability.

>>723159383
That's a really fancy way to say "don't build choke points", magical thinking demand is just an excuse to reduce the input volume instead of the obstruction. I mean yes sometimes you need to just build a road somewhere else because the location you are using can't be cleared of exit obstructions but your infinite tax payer base growth upside down house of cards is always going to need more transport capacity.

>>723173312
they are comparing way older games to the newest ones people still claim tlou1 looks just like 2 or the remaster

>>723173498
dlss 4 and dlaa 4 can though unless its ue5 slop then its hit or miss

>>723173498
can't argue with that

>>723173556
ah yeah that's absolutely not true, tlou1 on ps3 looks very much like a ps3 game from that era.
but i think after like 2015 or so, MOST games released don't look a whole lot better

>>723173368
>IPS is better because if you turn it off it can't expose its shit contrast ratio

Wow great rebuttal dumbass. My volkswagen is as fast as a ferrari when they're both stationary too.

https://youtu.be/F3i-i51TwJo?si=jysHv1eIvid31AGa

>>723154856
a CRT is the price of a cheap 4K these days but with 20 years of wear and no warranty.

>>723149584
this and I'm brown btw not sure if that matters

>>723173694
>turn it off
DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND WHAT LOCAL DIMMING IS YOU RETARD?! FUCK DO YOU JUST SHILL WITHOUT EVEN READING?!

>>723173825
Do you? You literally said
>If you use local dimming, than the zones that are dark and have no lighting behind it, have. no. light. there is nothing to block.
Which is the same as
>turn it off
Because the backlight has been turned off for that zone, dumbass. When any zone needs to be activated to display something the inherent dogshit contrast of IPS makes everything glow. Local dimming can't save IPS having shit native contrast. Local dimming isn't a crutch, it complements the panel.

>>723174083
YOU FUCKING PAJEET YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH AND THEN COME AT ME WITH RETARDED TAKES I DIDNT TELL YOU! HOLYT FUCKING SHIT I WOULD STRANGLE YOU TO DEATH ON THE SPOT IF YOU CAME AT ME WITH THIS STUPID SHIT. LEARN TO READ MAYBE THEN YOU WONT BE SHILLING SHIT TECH LIKE VA

>>723174292
lol lmao get trolled

>>723174292
Local dimming was designed to help LCD compete with OLED. It's only effective when dealing with dark areas of the image. When the backlight is active in any zones across the display you will still face the same issues that are inherent to the panel. Its not rocket science. Why do you think nobody really makes IPS TVs anymore?