Thread 723164241

I consider the notion that ME2's writing was to blame for the bad writing in 3 to be a media illiterate argument.

>>723164241 (OP)
>Cerberus in 2 is the ruthless org you're forced to deal with
>can agree or disagree with their view points
>most of the Cerberus people are real characters with their own motives
>Cerberus in three are all Le evil mindless mooks you indiscriminately kill
Why did they do this? They just didn't want us to fight the geth again? Cerberus as a villian is fucking stupid, we should've been trying to work with them, and the renegade/paragon options would deal with means to an end or doing things more morally

>>723164789
If anything the fault of 3 is to not commit to the expanded direction on Cerberus they took with 2. They showed the evils of Cerberus in ME1 as a simple side quest thing, and in 2 they go "No no no, actually, they're NUANCED" and then in 3 they're strangely assuming that they were still just the same terroist psychos they were in ME1 and Illusive Man's demeanor was changed from mysterious and intriguing, to be sinister and conniving.

The tone isn't the same between the 2 games and it feels like 3 is a sequel to something else. That's the general problem with 3, also present in its ending. The last 10 minutes with the Catalyst feels like a wannabe ending from an entirely different movie than the game you just played, where they really wanted it to be deep and profound, but they're forgetting where they came from.

>>723164241 (OP)
There's already a ME thread, and you're wrong and retarded. 1 > 3 > 2

>>723164789
>can agree or disagree with their view points
Remind me: as a Sole Survivor Shepard, am I allowed to bring up Akuze even once in the entire game?

>>723165778
/thread

>>723164241 (OP)
>unironically trying to use the "media illiterate" argument
You sure Twitter isn't more your thing?

>>723164789
>Cerberus in 2 is the ruthless org you're forced to deal with
"Forced to" sounds about right. Why am I forced to work for the terrorists I slaughtered in the first game? Why do I not have a choice to stay with the Alliance? Why can't I ever rebuke TIM and I'm always forced to end up doing exactly what he wants?
>can agree or disagree with their view points
>>723165778
>most of the Cerberus people are real characters with their own motives
Yeah like the dude that hooks his autistic brother to a bunch of meat tubes so he can better interact with the internet. What a compelling nuanced character
>Cerberus in three are all Le evil mindless mooks you indiscriminately kill
Thank fuck they remembered the trilogy was meant to be about an Alliance Spectre fighting Reapers and not about some OC glowie and his donutsteel retconned faction
>Why did they do this?
Because 2's Cerberus was a fucking mistake, 3 was just picking up the pieces as best it could. God what a horrible fucking faction

>>723165146
>they showed the evils of Cerberus in ME1 as a side quest
All they should've ever been
>"No no no, actually, they're NUANCED"
Huge fucking mistake, and didn't even execute it right
>then in 3 they're strangely assuming that they were still just the same terroist psychos they were in ME1
Because they very much are, you gullible motherfucker
>Illusive Man's demeanor was changed from mysterious and intriguing
>ME2's TIM
>mysterious and intriguing
LMFAO what the fuck am I reading, did you actually pay attention to the shit script they had Martin Sheen spouting?

>>723164241 (OP)
nah
1 > 3 > 2
2 is great, but it's filler.

2 fucking sucks
It's truly dogshit
worst RPG elements
Citadel is a tiny fucking area
Nothing fucking happens in the story beyond introducing characters and the only relevant thing that happens is the arrival DLC acting as a prologue for 3
It's truly, unrepentantly dogshit

>>723167960
By cerberus people I really just meant the people on the Normandy. Ostensibly there are other chakwas and the cook and Jacob and mirdandas who you kill in 3

>>723165778
>>1 > 3 > 2
Reddit opinion.

2 is peak reddit

>>723164241 (OP)
Should bioware stupidly deciding that they had to end on 3 be considered as a fault of me3, or should you judge me3 separately from that decision

>>723169153
Calling something reddit is unironically a reddit meme to get more traffic, newfag

>>723164789
They needed a cawadoody faction for the multiplayer

>>723169284
ME was intended to be a trilogy since at least 2005, meaning they knew all along when making both 2 and 3. One of these two just forgot about it.

>>723169297
Reddit thinks that ME2 is the worst Mass Effect.
Hence, a reddit opinion.
If you don't want it to be a reddit opinion, either reddit has to stop being reddit, or you need to change your opinion.

>>723164241 (OP)
They're both shit. 1 is the only good game.

>>723164789
Not to defend 3, but the Cerberus you saw in 2 was a very curated version designed to make Shepard empathize with the cause somewhat
The guards you see killing and kidnapping people in 3 have also been doing the same in 2; there's a reason everyone hates them

>>723169389
lmao what the fuck are you talking about, reddit adores 2. 2 has always been the one utterly beloved by normies, gaslighting fuck

>>723167960
Dlc shit from 2 was all done after the main game was gold and is basically the me3 team. Especially arrival that was supposed to be an advertisement for ME3 just weeks before it was originally supposed to launch before it got delayed

>>723169521
*sniff* *sniff*
Smell that? Smells like cope

>>723164241 (OP)
Dropped 3 early on desu, really though I felt like the game was falling apart at 2 when the entire idea was for a trilogy and it seemed liked they barely planned anything and then suddenly in 3 it starts with some PTSD shit about kid out of nowhere, what the fuck was that about? It just confirmed to me that they had no plan for a trilogy and were making shit up as they went along

>>723169379
Just random shit they said in interviews, they had no actual trilogy plan and no one would have given a shit if they took it back

>>723169389
>Reddit thinks that ME2 is the worst
laymaow

>>723169474
>>lmao what the fuck are you talking about, reddit adores 2
Reddit thinks that ME2 is the worst entry possibly in the franchise, if not just the trilogy.

>>723169521
Yeah I'm sure the DLC released three months after ME2 wasn't made by the ME2 team

>>723169521
Did a replay of Me2 with the dlc for the first time, and doing arrival immediately after omega makes no sense. They should have gated it after the main story

3 was just 2, but with slightly more RPG mechanics that they stripped out of 2.

>>723169659
giga retard troll

>>723169659
See >>723169474

You know what I fucking hated about 2?
Prior to release the devs spoke about how they heard peoples complaints about things the Mako, empty planets, elevator loading, and were going to resolve them
And then it turned out the """solution"""" was just to remove them all, Mako's handling wasn't that bad, I didn't mind the planets, I liked the elevator conversations, maybe it was really long on Xbox but PC's load times weren't that bad

>>723169747
>>723169771
>reddit in denial

>>723169926
yes, you are

It's like they forgot that Shepard was a pastiche of out of their depth space military guys and decded he was an unironic action hero. God the launch trailer is embarrassing to watch

>>723169960
You can say it, but I'm telling the truth. ME:A ranks almost as high as ME2 amongst reddit users, near the bottom of the list. ME1 and ME3 rank the highest.

>>723165778
Go back to Plebbit, retard.

>>723165146
>The last 10 minutes with the Catalyst feels like a wannabe ending from an entirely different movie than the game you just played
Yeah, it's why fucking happy ending mod works.

>>723170070
>ME:A
Alright. I should have known better than to feed the troll.

>>723167960
It's all "oops we slaughtered your squad in Akuze but we didn't mean it" and "oops you found several of our bases where we injected HUMANS with thresher maw acid blood in Mengele-tier experiments for shits and giggles but trust me bro, different cell" and "oh yeah we experimented with the thorian but ehhh we didn't mean to create those creeper zombies, look past it Shepard" and "I absolutely did not intend for one of my doctors with his own financed series of labs to hook his autistic brother to a contraption that for some reason required hooks through his eyes and arms, thank fuck you shut it down!". The player needs to do ALL the work for Cerberus to not appear like a clown faction, at the same time as the writers force you towards them by doing a 180 on the Alliance's morals and making them so they suddenly don't give a shit about dozens of Eden Prime-tier colonies just vanishing off the trace of the galaxy without explanation, repeteadly. That's why tons of people end up realizing 1 and 3 are more alike over 2
1 and 3 have Shepard actually caring about the Reaper threat instead of wasting time with a giant sidequest retconned in outta nowhere
1 and 3 have Cerberus being as stupidly evil as they were always stated to be instead of trying to play up some fake nuance with a badly written leader
1 and 3 have the Alliance actually acting like the representative body of HUMANITY and not some bored bureaucratic group akin to the Council that doesn't give a shit when humans disappear non-stop
3 remembers the Virmire Survivor was a thing and returns them as squadmates over 2 forcing a badly written "fight" so they can leave the story after 30 seconds
3 remembers the one-of-a-kind Cipher which was meant to have been important given its focus in 1
3 remembers it's easier to write for 6 squadmates than 12 randos that quite literally never move from their room and have 0 interactions once their personal mission's over with, so much so they're mute during the DLCs

>>723170148
It's not a troll.
A couple of years back the ME reddit had a pol.
ME3 ranked the highest, then ME1, then ME2 by a large margin, and close behind was ME:A, and ME:A was actually leading for a while.
In the choice for the next protagonist, reddit overwhelmingly voted for new protagonist, then Ryder, then Shepard, with less than a quarter of the votes. It was done as a lead up to the N7 day.

>>723170312
You sure seem to know a lot about reddit, reddit boy. Maybe you should just stay there?

>>723169474
>reddit adores 2. 2 has always been the one utterly beloved by normies
that was true for 4chan as well untill a few years ago. you contrarian homos pushed "me2 is le bad" everyday on this board for 3 years now.

>>723170426
I can be wherever I want.
If you like your opinion so much, why does it bother you so much that it is espoused by reddit?

>>723164241 (OP)
Dont give a shit about the writing. Game mechanics of 3 actually made it somewhat fun to play compared to 2 where you treated combat like an annoying busywork just to get to more story parts.

Hey, remember when Cerberus was meant to be an official Alliance black ops group that went rogue a handful of months before ME1? I 'member

>>723170238
based and truth pilled

>>723170454
Nah, people went back to ME for LE and playing all games back to back with all DLCs, realized 2 was the odd one out

bump

>>723172931
>dead franchise
>dead studio

>>723173043
:(

>>723170238
Correct.
>>723170110
Shooting that glowing skinwalker is the only answer to the "choose a laser" question.

>>723169457
>very curated version designed to make Shepard empathize with the cause somewhat
Maybe I'd consider that possible if I could object to anything with dialogue options that didn't make me sound lobotomized. It's obviously the writer's favorite guy and they want him to be the main character of the story and you're just there to shine his shoes occasionally.

>>723164241 (OP)
Who the fuck is saying otherwise. That's always been the consensus. I beat it multiple times and don't even really remember it.
>>723165778
oh

>>723170847
Sorry but now they're a super power with more men than every other faction combined. No you can't strike at their base because nobody knows where they are. They're secret even though everyone knows their logo and they all have it emblazoned on their ships and armor.

>>723165778
>>Remind me: as a Sole Survivor Shepard, am I allowed to bring up Akuze even once in the entire game?
Are the Reapers allowed to take the Citadel and disable the relay network in ME3?

>>723169153
>1>3>2
>reddit opinon
Fuck off, Reddit sucks the cock of ME2 to the point they insisit newbies start with 2

>>723174408
Reddit thinks ME2 is possibly the worst ME in the franchise and barely beats Andromeda out.

>ME Thread
What are you guys thinking about Exodus? I'm betting on it being bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAKAZNQuLqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmJxSKn47EE
>>723174496
If your best defense of the game is "reddit hates it" you should kill yourself.

>>723174674
>>If your best defense of the game is "reddit hates it" you should kill yourself.
I should perhaps rephrase.
They don't claim to "hate" it, they simply think it is the (next to) worst in the franchise.
You may consider that hate, but it doesn't necessarily mean that.

>What are you guys thinking about Exodus? I'm betting on it being bad
I'm not interested in it, or the Expanse game.

>>723164789
I really hate that 3 is about the reapers finally arriving but 60% of the fighting is against fucking cerberus.

>>723174372
In previous cycles the Citadel was important because they wanted to remove galactic leadership in a *surprise attack*. As the Reapers use organics to make their own kind, and only one Sovereign and a dozen Destroyers can be made each cycle, preserving their numbers is critical. In fact the trilogy's cycle sets them back a few hundred thousand years regardless of victory, since we know they lose more than a few Sovereign-class Reapers in the final battle and hear reports of more before that. In any case, the Citadel is only tactically valuable because it allows for an ambush strategy that until the Protheans was working flawlessly, but with that element of surprise gone there isn't much that pushes them to take it. They changed the code, disabled the keeper signal, something Shepard stopped Saren from reverting. They then lost the Alpha Relay too, having to slowly make their way towards the galaxy physically and invade through batarian space, reinforce their numbers with fresh shock troops (Cannibals) then besiege the most strategic Council planets they can to divide and conquer, given the number of loses they'd suffer against a fully protected, fully armed, disabled, non-surprise attacked Citadel. On top of that, cycles last hundreds of years; taking the Citadel a few *months* later quite literally still counts as taking it at the beginning of the harvesting.

Now, why did you reply with whataboutism? As a Shepard that finds out in ME1 that Cerberus scarred me for life in Akuze, can I talk to Cerberus' leader and founder about Akuze?

>>723176296
>>In previous cycles the Citadel was important because they wanted to remove galactic leadership in a *surprise attack*
There's nothing stopping them in ME3.

>>Now, why did you reply with whataboutism?
Because nevermind the fact that the trilogy is filled with errors that we like to overlook because of the things that it tends to get right, ME3 is a small skirmish for the Reapers that should have ended the moment they took the Citadel, 3 minutes before Earth realized it was even getting bum rushed, unless the Reapers act like retards.

>>723173261
:o
: )

>>723176741
What part of that entire post's "it's not a surprise attack any longer because with both the Citadel itself and the Alpha Relay disabled/destroyed, they literally cannot teleport inside the Citadel any longer and they consider a frontal attack before the races are individually weakened a loss in forces for a race that can only "birth" one of themselves anew every 50k which are shit odds in Shepard's cycle" did you not undersand?
>because nevermind the fact that the trilogy is filled with errors
So you admit that unlike ME3's logical deduction via in-game lore, the entire crux of ME2 ie working for Cerberus does not work with BioWare's own default Shepard (Earthborn, Sole Survivor) for no reason other than Shepard simply just so happens to not feel like talking about the single most traumatizing event of his life, against player will? I'll accept the concession

>>723177270
>>What part of that entire post's "it's not a surprise attack any longer because with both the Citadel itself and the Alpha Relay disabled/destroyed, they literally cannot teleport inside the Citadel any longer
We've had this conversation before. They don't need to teleport. Drop 100k husks on that thing, and they will tear it apart, closed or not. From there, all you need is one thrall to push the buttons, or one Reaper to interact with the Citadel.

>>723177270
Teleporting inside the citadel was the Prothean conduit.
The Citadel isn't just important because of the surprise. It's also the center of the government containing every dirty secret swept under the rug for thousands of years and contains millions of defenseless people ripe for indoctrination and dispersal as refugees.
It doesn't really matter though because the reapers whole "walk around on the ground and sometimes shoot lasers" strategy is so indefensible there's no sense in trying to argue what they should or shouldn't have done.

I played these games for the first time last year, loved 1 but thought 2 felt like filler and wasn’t huge on it. I beat it, but didn’t do the DLCs. I heard mixed things on 3 even more so than 2, but at the same time it continues on the story which is the main thing I loved about 1. Should I finish it, even with its problems? What’s wrong with 3 anyways?

>>723177696
>It doesn't really matter though because the reapers whole "walk around on the ground and sometimes shoot lasers" strategy is so indefensible there's no sense in trying to argue what they should or shouldn't have done.
I assume that is more of a "spread indoctrination so we can harvest organics so we can make more Reapers" kind of thing, or to bolster their husks and other units so they can have agents in the Milky Way for the next cycle, and the laser shooting was mostly to defend themselves, than actually trying to eradicate every organic.

>>723177783
>What’s wrong with 3 anyways?
They had 14 months to make it.
They also had to tag on a separate multiplayer mode.
No, they didn't get any extra resources to do this with.

>>723177783
3's better than 2, so go through with it. Make sure to play all its DLC, leave Citadel for last

>>723177551
>We've had this conversation before
The voices in your head don't count
>Drop 100k husks
Where do they get those numbers? Husks aren't magically created in dark space, the invasion needs to be underway for the meat factories to be on. Saren needed an army of geth and krogan, both massively tougher than husks, and he still failed. The Reapers don't wanna lose their numbers, that's a failure on their part with how limited their ""reproduction"" is, and they have nothing but time. Harvests last centuries, and they capture the Citadel in less than THREE MONTHS after the invasion begins, and that's after both Thessia, Palaven and Earth are individually decimated. I'd say that sounded like a good fucking plan.

>>723177696
>Teleporting inside the citadel was the Prothean conduit
The Citadel itself was a relay for the Reapers. Had Saren succeeded, the Reapers would've arrived right there and then, not at the edge of the Milky Way
>The Citadel isn't just important because of the surprise. It's also the center of the government
Matters little in a battle of attrition. The Council doesn't stop the invasion of Earth, or Palaven, or Tuchanka, or Sur'Kesh, or Khar'shan, or Thessia

>>723178376
>>Where do they get those numbers?
Karshan

>>723177783
>What’s wrong with 3 anyways?
It remembered what it was meant to be about. If you disliked how 2 blows you up then is about something completely irrelevant you'll probably like 3 more. It's more focused, less aimless.

>>723178472
So not husks, and also after the invasion's already started so the Council is aware and cautious, and also not in a short enough timeframe to pump out hundreds of thousands in only a matter of hours for the attack to be effective or worth the risks? I'll keep accepting the concession

>>723177783
After a full game you get to tell TIM to fuck off so that's good at least

So why were they making a giant human reaper instead of more leviathans again?

>>723165778
>1 > 3 > 2
>retarded take some zoomer copied direct from a youtuber spoken of as authorial
I'm so tired of this

>>723178507
My biggest problem with 2 is basically that. They go all in on side quests, and the main quest feels like a DLC for 1. Also, I might be wrong but I think most of those side quests basically are Skyrim tier go through a straight dungeon and kill a bunch of enemies, with very little choice or ways to approach challenges from multiple different ways, though there are some exceptions.

>>723179051
>very little choice or ways to approach challenges from multiple different ways
So like all 3 games?

>>723179228
Yeah, but at least 1 had a really interesting main story. 2 just wasn’t as compelling.

>>723164241 (OP)
I consider you to be a massive ass blasted faggot who can't understand cause or effect.

It's wild to me how there's more plot relevant stuff happening in one hour of Arrival or Leviathan than the entirety of basegame ME2 lol

>>723178641
>So not husks
Anything you want to call them.
Reaper forces.

>and also after the invasion's already started so the Council is aware and cautious
No. Nobody had any idea. We only find out after the Reapers attack Earth that Karshan was wiped and there's only a handful of batarians across the entire universe left.

>not in a short enough timeframe to pump out hundreds of thousands in only a matter of hours for the attack to be effective or worth the risks?
Karshan had fallen before the invasion even begun. What are you talking about? We are explicitly told that. The Batarians had become indoctrinated, before they even knew what a Reaper was. You absolutely could make 10k Batarians in a few hours, and take the Citadel before the Council knew anything. Even if the Council knew anything, a concentrated Reaper force fucking up the Citadel is a 5 minute deal.

>I'll keep accepting the concession
You keep making shit up and declaring yourself the winner. You're just a liar.

>>723164241 (OP)

1 was the best in the trilogy and it's not close. 2 was an excellent sequel. 3 was enjoyable but a noticable step down in most respects. Andromeda was irreconcilable shit.

>>723178897
>why were they making a giant robot shaped like a human, arms and all
Your guess is as good as mine. Would he have swum across space?

>>723179369
>1 had a really interesting main story
What? Invulnerable giant space death squid from dark space spends 1k years looking for thing nobody knows about, that it doesn't even know if it does anything, let alone what, instead of storming the Citadel directly, and opening the Relay itself, which it ends up doing anyway? That's the interesting main story? The main story is the worst part of any mass effect.

>>723164241 (OP)
The gameplay of ME3 is better in principle, the execution of the singleplayer was bad. But the multiplayer was great back then.

Threadly reminder to not reply to the local schizo, he always does this

>>723179784
>tries to put 1 down to inflate 2
Pottery

>>723180021
I will accept the concession.

>>723164241 (OP)
You don't understand! 3 is a masterpiece! Only the ending is (was) bad!!

>>723179784
I think the point is that sovereign doesn't know what the catalyst is so he wants to remove it before the invasion begins to ensure it can't fuck their plans. The fact that it turns out to not matter and searching for it was their downfall is the irony. They didn't really do a good job of emphasizing this though

>>723165146
why did EA feel the need to rush the development of mass effect 3? I heard that most of its problems come from the fact that EA wanted it out as soon as possible.

>>723180260
It's EA, they probably thought they could turn it into the next yearly cod or some shit

>>723165778
tpbp /thread

>>723180260
Those retarded gamers will eat up any old slop they are served. Just shove it out the door as quick as possible. With as many macrotransactions and pre-launch DLC as possible.

>>723180142
Bioware failed at a lot of things.
It would actually explain a lot if we knew how Sovereign found out about the conduit and how it came to the conclusion that this was the source of all the issues to begin with. Like, what if he was looking for something and it turns out it was a bidet? How the fuck could he even begin to understand what was important to Protheans or not? Even more so, if somebody else had come into contact with the Prothean artifacts, likely an Asari, since they held everything, why didn't they mind meld to share the knowledge between them from the start? The idea that this info was leaked only to Sovereign, and was kept secret from everyone else, is ridiculous.

>>723180048
No concession to be had, 'tard. Gett better taste

>>723164789
>throwaway evil faction with some sidequest importance here and there and personal importance depending on origin
>forced to do everything they say in 2 also they space magic reviving technology and other resources
>forced to fight them in 3 where they now have some bigass army despite again being originally a minor terrorist faction

>>723180260
EA wanted to annualize Bioware titles, which is why we had DA:O in 2009, ME2 in 2010, DA2 in 2011 and ME3 in 2012.
DA2 was supposed to just be a DA:O expansion, but EA wanted it turned into a full game, when they asked for more time, EA told them to release ME3 in 2011. That wasn't possible so everything went to shit. Blame John Riccitielo. Yes, the guy that fucked the Unity engine.

>>723180583
I accept your notedly butthurt concession.

>>723180514
>if we knew how Sovereign found out about the conduit
Saren finds out about it via the Virmire beacon.

>>723180514
Why did saren not destroy, let alone take, the prothean beacon on eden prime? He got the info from it and then just fucked off? Why set bombs instead of having sovereign laser nuke the place? Shepard should have learned nothing on eden prime

>>723180260
EA also did the same to the Dead Space devs. They wanted to casualize it and slap a nice, big, ol’ brand on it to make it some Gears of War spinoff. Its why I will never understand how this board had jeets shilling the demake for a good year or so, anyone with a brain knows that EA is the sole reason the original devs are gone.

>>723164241 (OP)
Tonally at least 2 and 3 are the same. 1 is much closer to KOTOR and then suddenly it's Gears of War in space and I mean Gears of War cutscenes not just gameplay. 1 has bombastic moments but they feel earned at the end of long gameplay sections but most of the time it's a bit slower and dryer with just the occasional joke or shootout section. In 2 it's like a Micheal Bay film from the beginning.
>but it's a sequel
With a timeskip, and completely different circumstances for what happens, so everything that happens to the Normandy is done out of nowhere and doesn't build off of 1. You really feel the whiplash if you go straight to 2 after 1 on the same day. Usually when that happens to a franchise it's after a very long time between sequels so it's weird how close 1 and 2 actually were.

>>723180785
>>723180583

>>723180868
That created more questions.
How did Saren know about it?
How did Sovereign find out that there was something at all, that he needed 1k years to investigate? You'd think that after the first 100, he'd have cleared it, right? It can't be this big, if nobody can find it. I mean ... what was he doing? I can't imagine, even for an AI like Sovereign, to have spent 1k years ... send someone to look at the Keepers in the citadel! You could have done a much better job than fucking around the Milky Way for 1k years. He's so bad at it.

>>723180969
There's a million issues with ME1. We forgive a lot that don't make sense, because we ultimately, at least back then, liked Bioware, wanted to see where this thing was going, but overall, it's fucking retarded.

>>723179784
Unfathomably bad taste holy shit

>>723181293
>How did Saren know about it?
He's a Spectre and he's had contact with Sovereign and to a lesser degree the geth for 18 years. Sovereign/Virmire beacon are the origin of the plot as far as ME1 is concerned, there's no need to learn the specifics of the when and where when the game has put in the hard work of letting the player infer it
>1k years
Where do you get that number from?

>>723181704
Concession accepted as well.

>>723181806
You sound mad people disagree with your shit takes

>>723181368
>posts a pic of himself
Weird flex but I'll take it

>>723181293
>we

>>723181795
>1k years
>Where do you get that number from?
https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Sovereign

>It is also implied that Sovereign (or another Reaper operating under the same objectives) was responsible for indoctrinating the rachni queens, resulting in their overly aggressive response to Citadel scout teams and causing the Rachni Wars.

>He's a Spectre and he's had contact with Sovereign and to a lesser degree the geth for 18 years. Sovereign/Virmire beacon are the origin of the plot as far as ME1 is concerned, there's no need to learn the specifics of the when and where when the game has put in the hard work of letting the player infer it
Cope. It's the basis of the entire plot, and we don't need to know. We don't even know how Sovereign came to the conclusion, when the Conduit is something that nobody before this knew about.

>>723181972
Butthurt concession accepted.

>>723181982
I'm just trying to take care of your fanny flustering. I'm doing my best. I'm offering humanitarian aid.

>>723182072
>we
If you're that unforgiving of ME and don't like it, what are you doing here? Because the franchise is full of this shit.

>>723182520
So a completely made up number, got it. Why should I even be fucking surprised, apparently you're a resident schizo that always argues in bad faith. Figures
>We don't even know how Sovereign came to the conclusion
IT WAS SAREN YOU COLOSSAL FUCKING INBRED holy shit

Reminder, >>723179878

>>723182702
>>So a completely made up number, got it.
https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Rachni_Wars

>The Rachni Wars were a series of conflicts beginning in approximately 1 CE

>>723182702
>>IT WAS SAREN YOU COLOSSAL FUCKING INBRED holy shit
Great. If you can then share with the class how Sovereign knew about the Conduit, that he found about from Saren, to recruit Saren to find more about the thing he didn't know existed, and had no record off, in spite of looking for it for over 1k years, after the Keepers didn't open the Relay?

I hated the gameplay changes of 2 far more than anything else from it. In ME1 on an insanity new game I had to use some braincells to kill ennemies early on as a biotic, soldiers were fucking invicible but you can throw them out of bounds anyway which was incredibly fun. From ME2 on, biotic powers are fucking useless because of shields, barrier and armor. Once those are stripped you don't even have time to have fun because the enemies die pretty much instantly. Add to that that Shepard feels like a fucking slug, movement feels like shit because the big thing at the time was gear of war. Not that the movement in ME1 was perfectly fluid but it feels better than in ME2. Then in ME3 they kept shields, barrier and armor nullifying powers. At least the gameplay felt more fluid despite the ass animations
>set enemies on fire with fire ammo
>use biotic rush skill
>then biotic explosion skill that eats up your barrier
For all its faults, ME3 provided fun gameplay. The only thing keeping me from replaying the entire trilogy to this day is having to go through 2 again, with DLCs because of completionist autism. The DLCs in 2 are sort of shit

>>723183587
>I hated the gameplay changes of 2
Nobody cares. If people really cared about the gameplay, Andromeda would be the best Mass Effect.

>>723183672
Andromeda has awful gameplay

>>723183867
Andromeda has the best gameplay in the franchise, and is a natural evolution of ME3.

ME2 is mechanically dull to play
I enjoyed ME3 multiplayer
therefore, because ME3 is a better game, ME3 is a better game
story has nothing to do with it, the universe died in the first 5 minutes of 2

>>723183587
>2's "sprint"
>2's "melee"
>2's "biotics"
It's like they meticulously tried to take all the fun away from the franchise

I miss ME3 MP.

Anyone that sucks ME3MP's dick is the reason why ME failed as a franchise.

>>723164241 (OP)
Almost everyone thinks this, it's just one crazed autist that spams every ME thread with insane moon logic on why 2 is the worst one.

>>723184117
It's still a thing. I dread the day EA turns off the servers.

>>723183940
>Andromeda has the best gameplay in the franchise
why the fuck do people say this shit, no it fucking doesn't.
individual cooldowns are a meme. they worked in ME1 because every encounter in 1 was a single room. it didn't have the sustained fights with reinforcements added in 2, 3, and Andromeda.
they also brought back the inventory system and made it worse.
every fucking enemy is a damage sponge
the jumpjets are useless unless you spec for it and even then it's lackluster
you can't even control your fucking squad
literally the only improvement it has over 3 is shoulder swap

>>723184068
The sprint feels like it only increases the fov, like they did with the mount sprint in inquisition

>>723184354
According to Chris Priestley, people playing, and paying for, the MP are the reason why Bioware didn't believe that they did anything wrong with Mass Effect 3 and why they never bothered addressing it, or fixing it, because you people would buy anything, and everyone that complained about the endings was a vocal minority.

>>723184180
>ME3MP is cozy as fuck, has more complex rpg mechanics than the main series, and marks the only time you're able to play as aliens.

>>723184536
That is an absolute crock of shit, I was there when the forums fucking EXPLODED. Fucking mainstream media got in on the controversy. There is zero chance any of the devs weren't aware of exactly what they did wrong.

>>723183940
lmfao fuck no, never was never will be for those that have actually played the game. Game needs to accommodate for the existence of the jetpack so all environments are needlessly huge to allow you to zoom around the air. Extremely noticeable whenever you enter what should be a small warehouse but the rooms are MMO-tier with super high ceilings. It made away with strict classes to allow you to change between profiles, the idea being you'll 'arm up' several each with different powers then change depending on the enemy like Daddy Ryder in the prologue but each profile gives you access to three powers and the devs didn't find a way to stop the player from using all three, change profiles, using all new three, rinse and repeat for the seven profiles the game offers so what they did was... put whatever powers you change to be in cooldown. Which defeats the entire fucking purpose of needing to change profiles in the first place. So as it stands when an enemy with an armor layer of health pops up you have two choices: use the profile you have currently selected or change profile in which case in the time it takes for you to have access to the armor powers, you've killed the enemy seven times by just shooting. Long story short, what you end up doing is having a profile with one armor power + one barrier power + a freebie and play the entire game leveling those and passive skills up, forgetting profiles even exist. Oh yeah you need to level the powers up like in the previous games meaning you're actively handicapping yourself if you spread your skill points over 21 skills in 7 profiles instead of 3 skills in one profile, both plus passives.
Andromeda's gameplay is retardedly bad, and you've either not played it or done a casual run and have no idea what you're talking about.

>>723184536
You're desperately sucking 2's cock all thread long replying to every anon that even midly disagrees, shut up and sit down

>>723184453
People complain how ME2 was too tactical, and you couldn't just run and gun down enemies, but had to use cover and tactical use of your squadmates and abilities, which in turn means that it is literally Hitler, I mean Gears of War, and that is a war crime against video games. Let alone that every video game from this period played like this, even down to fucking Uncharted. At the time, this was the peak of gameplay, and ME2 only lost the GOTY, because RDR happened to release the same year.

But if you think ME3 gameplay is better, Andromeda is literally better than ME3, and every complaint you had about Andromeda, except the jumpjets, is true for ME3 as well.

>>723184354
Yeah, but I've put over 1k hours into it and whatnot. I "miss" the time before I played it to death, and I hope that the next ME game can at least have good MP if nothing else (it won't have a good SP, that is simply not going to happen).

>>723184553
See >>723184536

>>723184648
They didn't care. They were making money out of you.

>>723184658
Format your thoughts better. That's unreadable.

>>723184782
It seems my superiority has led to some controversy.
I am also very, very, very correct. If you don't like being corrected, maybe stop being wrong all the time.

>>723184658
>so what they did was... put whatever powers you change to be in cooldown. Which defeats the entire fucking purpose of needing to change profiles in the first place.
This was so fucking retarded.
We could have had Dante style switching between biotic/combat/tech shit, instead we lost companion control in exchange for fucking nothing.
I beat the game on insanity with cloak + VI + turret, just grabbed every single piece of equipment that improved construct health/damage, and I literally never had to fire my gun.

>>723185018
>They didn't care. They were making money
which is their problem.
if a company doesn't care about customer retention then the customers cannot 'save' them from going full retard. bioware didn't turn to shit because they thought it was more profitable, they turned to shit because they were lazy.

>>723184553
Also, getting to see a representation of how the war's going on while Shepard is doing his thing is ludokino. You have these grunts in a constant meat grinder of non-stop fighting while Shepard gets to be the cool cinematic ladies man. Then you get to 'meet' the MP guys during shore leave, it's cool.

>>723185159
So what does that make the ones that gave free money to lazy devs that went full retard?

>>723185018
>That's unreadable.
Sounds like a (You) issue given the anon below you. Sucks to suck huh?

>>723185264
>Then you get to 'meet' the MP guys during shore leave, it's cool.
That's retarded. What if I never played MP? What the fuck am I supposed to be doing with these fucks?

>>723184215
i miss when ips were reported on this site so I could show you how wrong you are

>>723183940
The combat mechanics and movement are pretty decent but all the context around it brings it down. 90% of the combat taking place in open world areas means the level design for those fights are generally poor. Then in the few linear story missions with designed levels, it's generally like three enemy types that don't really act in particularly interesting ways. I just gave the game two full playthroughs a few months ago to give it a fair go, it was better than I expected gameplay-wise but still, the parts didn't become a whole greater than the sum.

>>723185339
I think anon is commendable for reading it.
But I don't have to put up with it, seeing as how it was aimed at me.
If you want me to read it, format it better. If not, no skin off of my back.

>>723185279
>So what does that make the ones that gave free money to lazy devs that went full retard?
irrelevant.
look, it doesn't matter what 'caused' bioware to fall apart, the fact that they were able at ALL to get deluded enough to think they could be a Blizzard-style content mill proves they were going to take any excuse to lose the plot.
the only question at that point is how long it takes for the other shoe to drop.

>>723185018
You're a clown, and you'll keep being a clown long after I've blessed you with this reply

>>723184453
>ndividual cooldowns are a meme. they worked in ME1 because every encounter in 1 was a single room. it didn't have the sustained fights with reinforcements added in 2, 3, and Andromeda.
are you nigger faggots living in the mirror verse or some shit
ME1 is the only game with branching combat zones where you move from open areas with vehicular combat to uniquely shaped combat zones tied to whatever world you're on
ME2 meanwhile is one box after another. Can't use that new vanguard power because your enemies are on a fucking platform firing rockets!

>>723185491
>I don't have to put up with it
I'll take that to mean you have no argument then. No surprises there.

>>723185424
>the level design for those fights are generally poor
ME3 has the worst level design in the trilogy. Andromeda's can be even worse, but ME3 isn't by any means good level design.

>Then in the few linear story missions with designed levels, it's generally like three enemy types that don't really act in particularly interesting ways
Same as ME3.

>I just gave the game two full playthroughs a few months ago to give it a fair go, it was better than I expected gameplay-wise but still, the parts didn't become a whole greater than the sum.
Just like ME3. It has 2-3 good moments that are unrelated to the gameplay, and the rest is mediocre at best.

Has the one guy that keeps trying to oilbrighten us that 3 is better than 2 been able to raise money for his transition yet?

>>723185658
Did I say anything about ME3 in my post? Maybe you're assuming I'm someone else.

>/v/ tells me Mass Effect 2 is so much better than 1
>start game
>finally get to some combat
>Tetris blocks neatly arranged to provide cover

>>723164241 (OP)
2 was beginning of an end.
And yet it is glorified as one of the best games of all time.
I spit on these tasteless retards.
S

>write overheating guns out in 2
>barely acknowledge it or try to explain the massive logistical issue of going from unlimited ammo to limited ammo
>nobody bothered keeping any spares around because a compact backup with infinite ammo would never be useful lol
>write a scene where shep talks down to someone for asking "stupid" questions about it
>3 reintroduces overheating guns as rare and they're just as strong as using thermal clips

CHEST HIGH WALLS! LOMBAX TIDDIES!

>>723185360
>What if I never played MP
Its events are still canon, you idiot, same as any DLC you've not played still happens but done by randos off-screen. Stop being autistic, it's becoming easy to know who you are just by how you're posting.

>>723184536
don't pretend like you were in the fucking trenches
I was posting on the bioware social forum before your balls dropped
the truth is the response to ME3's ending was so fucking unprecedented with multiple FCC complaints with bitching boomer shareholders complaining that EA had to spend an entire month legally figuring out what to do and the initial genius move was to pretend the problem didn't exist, just ignore it until next quarter.
That was a fucking mistake and they ordered Bioware to rushout a dlc, which was the extended cut with came out Q2 of that year, roughly late June/early July, when the outrage was STILL ongoing.

>>723164241 (OP)
geth resolution was so fucking dogshit
they were set up to be alternatives to both organics and reapers
me3 turned them into pinoccios and people loved it because of the melodrama

>>723185523
I think they were going to be at Blizzard level. They were headed there. And, for a change, EA money was good. But also, Riccitielo had no idea what he was doing, the Doctors didn't put their feet down, like Zampella did for Respawn, and the result was complete loss of Bioware's good will, internal struggles, because of the aftermath of the Doctors not putting their feet down, and as a result were lackluster products, more useless crunch, huge delays in production, and loss of vision, from lack of individuals with vision remaining in the company. It all could have been avoided, if Riccitielo could be convinced to make ME3 a PS4/XBONE launch title in late 2014.

>>723185590
>ME1 is the only game with branching combat zones where you move from open areas with vehicular combat to uniquely shaped combat zones tied to whatever world you're on
yeah and you don't use your powers in a vehicle?
>Can't use that new vanguard power because your enemies are on a fucking platform firing rockets!
yeah so you use a different power, and it doesn't matter because it's all on one universal cooldown?
individual cooldowns worked in 1 because you can see all the enemies at once, and ration your power usage accordingly.
in 2/3, you don't have to ration, you use them as the need arises, and you get lots of reinforcements coming in to fit that style of gameplay.
in Andromeda individual cooldowns mean you have to ration your powers, but you still have a shitload of reinforcements.

>>723185535
I accept your concession.

>>723185956
Geth sucked. I blew them up in 1, I destroyed them in 2, I blew them up in 3. Get fucked, toasters.

I want some rachnussy.

I can understand people who hate both ME2 and 3. I agree with them.

I don't understand the argument that ME2 is bad but 3 is underrated. Does anyone actually think this? ME3 is basically just the shitty inevitable conclusion of every bad trend started by 2.

*sad piano music*
>War sucks
>Yeah

That's all I remember from ME3. ME2 had way better dialogue, music and cinematography.

>>723185636
I have no argument towards something that I didn't read, no.

>>723170238
For me, it's the whole "oh yeah I guess resurrection exists in this universe now. No we're never again going to acknowledge it". It is so unbelievably fucking stupid how it immediately makes ME jump from somewhat grounded setting to "we capeshit now". Resurrection tech. Curing death tech. And not someone whose heart stopped 30 seconds ago, no, but someone that died in space then had his body fucking crashing against a planet's surface at terminal velocity then was dead for two long years. But nah, no biggie. What the fuck.

#1.

>>723186308
Watch out, the schizo will reply to you telling you how it's not retarded, or ME1 was just as retarded, or ME3 is at fault for everything

>>723185739
Maybe I am.

>>723185910
>>Its events are still canon, you idiot,
Actually, no. Because according to Bioware General Manager Gary McKay, the "definitive" version of the games is the LE, and the LE has no MP, so no, it isn't.

>>723186327
#2.

>>723186237
Read the second part of >>723170238

>>723186327
>>723186393
#3.
notice anything?

What causes this autism?

>>723186048
>this game has less game in it
>that's ok though, I didn't want to have fun anyway

>>723186237
There are quite a few things 3 does better, imo. Samara is actually really interesting when she was a waste in 2. Vega's a great character. We don't get much of the VS but what do get is pretty good. The plot flows a lot better. And so on.

>>723186517
Dropped as a kid, most likely

>>723164241 (OP)
3 was absolute dogshit from the word go. It had the worst fucking start and everything after was just a deluge of garbage. They shouldn't have had reaperslop after the first and you shouldn't have been made a super special snowflake five minutes into the first game but rather take most of the game with the sequels actually being about doing spectre shit. But Bioware was never competent. Oddly fun MP though.

>>723186517
it's not autism, it's EA/Bioware bots doing door to door sales over the internet
Everything LE related is astroturfed.

>>723164241 (OP)
you didn't really articulate anything with your statement, which is kind of like ME2
that makes both things not worth paying much attention to

3's main issue was act 3. You can tell the game got rushed down the home stretch. I'm just thankful the dlc's made up for act 3's mishaps imo.

>>723186517
Your filename. It's what causes people to start posting like bots, the same wording over and over again over several months as if they're fighting a war defending a game.

>>723186602
>>723186403
Ok yeah, these are decent points. I hate the overarching save the galaxy story of 3 but some of the minor story stuff is better than ME2.

>>723185930
>>don't pretend like you were in the fucking trenches
Original BSN forum member geopetr1984 reporting for duty.

>>I was posting on the bioware social forum before your balls dropped
I was 14 when I first played Baldur's Gate 1. I wouldn't be so sure. I can't remember, but I'd gander my balls had dropped by then.

>>the truth is the response to ME3's ending was so fucking unprecedented with multiple FCC complaints
Yes, and the FCC deemed that it wasn't false advertising, so nothing happened.

>bitching boomer shareholders complaining that EA had to spend an entire month legally figuring out what to do and the initial genius move was to pretend the problem didn't exist, just ignore it until next quarter
Well, it worked.

>That was a fucking mistake and they ordered Bioware to rushout a dlc, which was the extended cut with came out Q2 of that year, roughly late June/early July, when the outrage was STILL ongoing.
I remember peaking in on the release, seeing the EC and just checking out. I did post about it on the BSN, though. The outrage had mostly died down on the forums. I mean, people still talked about it, but nowhere near what was happening in the early weeks. It was not "friendly", but definitely not as combative as it was at first.

>>723186542
>>this game has less game in it
where the fuck are you reading this?
my whole fucking point is that it doesn't matter whether you like 1 or 2/3's style of combat better because Andromeda is the worst of both. it lacks both the tactical depth of 1 and the steady pace of 2/3.

>>723186379
>ME3 is at fault for everything
It is

>>723186517
What's wrong with it?

>>723186237
I really, REALLY disliked Cerberus. I didn't want to work with Cerberus. I didn't want to have fucking anything to do with Cerberus.
At the same time, I really, REALLY liked the Reapers. ME1 does such a great fucking job at selling them as this huge unstoppable threat that after Virmire I was legit scared shitless of Sovereign. Experiencing the trilogy completely blind, not knowing the twist that Saren's weird/cool looking shit was THE Reaper we've been hearing about all this time was amazing. That it is a sentient being, that it's fucking ALIVE? What a twist. It was so damn effective I doomed the Council not because I chose to let them die but because I chose to concentrate on Sovereign. The threat was so effective I feared for the entire galaxy and I absolutely had to focus fire on him.

So then ME2 rolls around, and the Reapers are effectively forgotten about. The build-up goes nowhere. Shepard spends a month checking out random geth signals then dies. Two years go by, the crew disappears, the "one of a kind stealth ship" blows up, your Spectre status is revoked, the prothean expert is now le badass. Everything is thrown by the wayside, and you're forced to care about the writer's pet with glowing eyes.

So yeah, by ME3 it was too little too late to fix the trilogy, but you can bet your ass I welcomed the story trying its hardest to get back in track, demonize Cerberus, and focus on the Reapers and the prothean beacons/archives/VIs.

>>723187113
>>I really, REALLY disliked Cerberus. I didn't want to work with Cerberus. I didn't want to have fucking anything to do with Cerberus.
Tough shit. Now suck TIM's cock, little bitch.

>>723186742
It's earlier than that, it's the Citadel coup.
I know this sounds schizo but I swear if you replay 3 you'll notice as soon as the coup starts you can fucking tell that the budget of the game got decimated.
It's like night and day and it happens the INSTANT you start that mission. The voice acting is worse, the camera angles are uninspired, the writing is lackluster, the missions lack variety, you start seeing more bugs, etc. Not that the first third of the game is a masterpiece or anything but it unravels real fucking hard from that point on.

>>723187182
Nah, I think I'm gonna replay 1 and whenever I want to replay 3 I'll just import one of my old saves from like 2016.

>>723187314
You just love running around behind TIM in ME3, don'tcha? I bet ME3 is your favorite.

>>723186517
They don't call him the resident schizo for nothing

>>723187446
You still have to explain what is wrong with quoting what the GM of Bioware stated?

>>723187405
How did you know it's 1 btw.

>>723187546
Don't talk to me, schizo

>>723187550
>How did you know
The cumshot you took on the face was a dead giveaway.

>>723187602
I accept your concession.

For me it's Miranda.

>>723178897
>>723179720
Canonically every reaper is built in the form of the species they were made from and then the leviathan shell is built around it to give uniformity.

>/v/ is the best spot online to discuss Mass Effect
>its completely toxified by retards bickering about which sequel killed the franchise more, closeted console fagging
the internet was a mistake

>>723187763
I see now. I can only trust alien women

>>723188517
Garrus, man, I think you need to slow down and calibrate. For your health.

>>723188276
You're right.
It was ME3

>>723164241 (OP)
The statement that Mass Effect 2 was the last good BioWare game is a popular opinion held by many fans, but it is subjective. While the game is widely praised for its character development, narrative, and gameplay improvements over the original, others consider later BioWare titles like Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age: Inquisition to have been good, even with their flaws.

>>723187763
For me, it's Jack AND Miranda.

>>723189321
Why does this read like something an AI would write?

>>723187763
the way they modeled miranda's face is so omega busted in both engines I couldn't get into it. The 360 just wasn't up to face scans.

>>723164241 (OP)
Mass Effect 3 is worse than Mass Effect 2 but that's because Mass Effect 2 is a giant waste of time that did nothing for the main plot. ME3 has to juggle with being the middle game of a trilogy and the finale at the same time.

The Star Wars sequels ran into a similar problem. They killed Emperor Snookie in the 2nd film.... meaning there is nowhere to go for the 3rd film. The 3rd film is bad as a direct result of them fumbling the storyline in the 2nd film.

>>723189394
Jack is unironically the most attractive character in the game in terms of her body and face. If she had normal hair and wasn't covered in tattoos, everyone would agree on this. She also has the best romance, but due to getting sidelined in ME3 like most of ME2's cast it ends up underdeveloped compared to Tali.

>>723189910
>If she had normal hair and wasn't covered in tattoos, everyone would agree on this.
I have my own tasted, fortunately. If I cared what others thought, well, I probably would have moved on long ago.

>>723164789
>>Cerberus in three are all Le evil mindless mooks you indiscriminately kill
Brainlet take.

>>723189716
No... in both cases the second entry made a mission out of destroying the brightness and joviality of their respective universes for no reason other than shock value and "guess you didn't see that coming!"

The concept of the Spectres and having you play as one feels like it would only happen in the 2000s

They're all great games. 1 has the best story, 3 has the best gameplay, and 2 is in the middle, but they're all solid games.

Probably the best trilogy ever made, almost certainly the best scifi trilogy ever.

>>723178897
Because Reaper shape symbolically represents primate species. As humans are cosmic in potential, they stand on equal or superior grounds to Leviathans and Reapers, and don't yield.
Human Reaper is as much of an acknowledgement as it is an attempt at subsumation.
Physical shell is just a shell. Actual Reapers are likely abominations outside reality.
As they assimilate entire species, they assimilate entire timelines beyond calculation.
You only see bug shaped spacecraft because this is their order.

Rine ends here.
End of rine.

>>723169414
/thread

i wish i was femshep so i could get fucked by everyone and get spitroasted by big krogan cock

My favorite thing about Jack is she has all these "badass" tattoos but she's just a big dumb emotional cry baby when you get into it with her

literally 10/10 character design

>>723184354
Can I really buy a cheap key and play ME3MP ? I thought EA pulled the plug already
t. only every played pirated mass effect for almost a thousand hours as a teenager

>>723186742
You can tell the game got rushed from the god awful sprinting animation right at the start

>>723191060
Yeah, and you can even cheat your credits and open infinity loot boxes. They have no cheat detection for it.

>>723191171
Is there still an active population at all times ?

>>723190528
Based series enjoyer.

>>723190217
>brightness and joviality
Did that exist before your first crewmate was ripped to shreds, or after you saw the people impaled on spikes turning into techno-zombies?

>>723191375
Been a while since I played, but probably. It's 4 people to a game, so even if the playerbase is really small you're probably gonna get someone. Warning: the game's netcode isn't the best, and your experience with certain classes will be much better/worse depending on if you're the host or not (host is always better).

>>723191526
It was after you execute the Asari who was working for Saren, but before you gun down defenseless Salarian's in a pod because they were having a fentanyl crash out.

>>723191641
Alright I'll consider it then, thanks. I always wanted to try the multiplayer

>>723191738
It's really fun, there's alot of different experiences to be had due to all the different weapons, characters and builds, and you can get really good at it and sweat to get more kills than everyone else (or do solos). Again, just make sure you cheat your credits to a really high number so you can open a bunch of loot boxes and unlock everything (though even with infinite credits you're gonna be opening boxes for quite a while unfortunately).

>>723191861
Is cheat engine the way to go ? I still have an ancient version that isn't infested with malware

>>723191680
What about the jovial part where you nuke your own squad member? That was like Christmas.

>>723190528
I think they suffer in the plot department. Even ME1 has some jank there despite being the best one. But yes, as a trilogy there is no other game trilogy that's this dedicated to 1 protagonist, and a save-import that tracks and honors so many permutations.

A game like Heavy Rain has more satisfying ripple effects of one's choices, and a game like Witcher (either of the 3 games) has a better and more consistent world to me, and 3 didn't fall as hard compared to the previous ones as ME3 does.

For me it's just ME3. I know for a lot of people 3 was just better and worse in some ways, but to me it was hardly any better in any department and only kind of worse in numerous ones, just compared to 2, and never rebuilds some of the more core-RPG facets of the first one either. Top that with writing feeling strange because 4 out of 6 writers had quit, and I just don't like 3 very much.

But yeah, it is the only trilogy that gets you this invested on your own protagonist.

>>723191738
ME3's multiplayer is fucking good. All those different characters and their abilities, the hectic gunplay, the chunkiness in the abilities and guns. As anon said, just cheat it in. They don't care anymore and most people do it now anyway. I'd just say to take it slow for a while before you start doing that.
There's something about "tacked on" multiplayer in games that shouldn't have any that are so damn fun. Uncharted, Dead Space, and Mass Effect are peak experiences.

>>723191969
Yeah, you can just play a bronze match to get some credits, input that number, then do anything to change the number of credits you have, search for that number, rinse and repeat until you've narrowed it down to a single variable which you then know is your credits and edit that to 9999999999 or whatever.

>>723190528
Even a single dead Batarian brightens your day. And there are a lot of those.

>>723192179
>>723191526

>>723192126
>>723192148
Tell me there's a biotic turian
If not I'll settle for the biotic volus

>>723191974
Don't forget about the wholesome moment where talking to Saren and letting him know where he made his little mistakes, and he just blows his brains out. I had butterflies in my stomach, it reminded me of Big Bang Theory.

>>723164241 (OP)
ME2 is the best me Game
kill all me1niggers

>>723192270
There's a single biotic turian, the cabal vanguard (female turian). There are two biotic volus, an adept and a vanguard. The volus are actually quite powerful if you know what you're doing.

Henry Lawson is based as fuck.

>>723192270
bro, there's everything. Asari huntress, Krogan Warlords, Volgus Adept, Drell Assassins

>>723192270
>>723192430
>>723192448
But is there a Geth Infiltrator?

>>723164789
Cerberus in 3 suffers from a lack of indoctrinated forces of other races.
>indoctrinated STG agents slipping under the radar to blow up the females
>indoc Turians prepping the bomb to detonate
Cerberus is indoctrinated and them attacking Mars makes sense. Cerberus storming the citadel by themselves? GTFO.
The entire thing about the reapers is how they turn every fight into a civil war, and it's basically non-existent in game.

>>723192517
Yes.

>>723192517
Yep. They're all fun and pretty unique. Some are stronger than others, but you can make all of them work beautifully.

>tfw can't save Udina
this is an OUTRAGE

>>723190978
that's anyone and everyone with tattoos
emotionally stunted rejects

>>723190217
Why is the loony that replied to this post talking to himself?

3 had a great multiplayer mode, thats it

>>723164241 (OP)
Mass Effect was abject slop from the beginning. Only xbox retards thought that shit was cool.

>>723193480
grunt is innate daddy issues.
neglectful absentee father
garrus and jack's respective complexes are also daddy issues
Zaeed is likely the origin of a lot of daddy issues in the milky way

>>723167960
>>723170238
/thread

What smudboy is up to nowadays?

>>723164241 (OP)
3's writing is awful because the rape the entire overarching story, 2's story is acceptable because it's all scarcely related to the plot and is more a showcase of the setting, the setting being the only strength of the series as a whole
3's gameplay is better than 2's, which is one of the most barebones cookie-cutter TPSes ever fucking released

>be a space gypsy
>saved by knight in shining armor
>have a crush on him
>he dies
>two years passed
>you find him alive
>but he works for bad guys now
>don't care, join him
>go to trial
>thanks to his defense line you're cleared of charges
>he starts to flirt with you
>you drugged yourself just to have sex with him
>"it was totally worth it"
>six months passed
>you meet him again
>have sex with him again
>land on Rannoch
>start planning on building a home
>and living with a man who you love
>
>
>
>he sides with Geths
>do nothing to prevent this
>your entire species doomed because of you
>kill yourself
>
>
>he destroys all synthetics

>>723195375
I'm still mad that the quarians just look like humans. I've read (and still read) Mass Effect fanfictions with more interesting quarian designs.

>>723194069
It's people that try this subversive, reductive takes, the reason why the industry is where it is today.

>>723194069
By that metric
>Wrex has (grand)daddy issues
>Garrus has stuck up Turian daddy issues
>Liara has both mommy and daddy issues
>Tali has admiral daddy issues
>Vega has step daddy issues
>Ashley has daddy and granddaddy issues
>Kaidan has biotic daddy issues
>Javik has prothean daddy issues
The only one that doesn't have daddy issues, is EDI.

I don't think the ending was bad at all. The only problem was that they obviously pulled back from the intended ending, where picking green/synthesis or blue/control would give you a bad ending, because that's exactly what the indoctrinated enemies wanted to do in the previous games. Probably playtesters got assmad about the red/destroy ending being too hardcare

>>723194971
Got in a fight with Mauler a couple years back.
Still doing his own EFAP thing.

>>723186090
>gypsyfag reading comprehension
typical

>>723195172
>3's writing is awful becaus it rapes the overarching story
>2's writing is is acceptable because it rapes the overarching story

>>723193480
It's amazing that a franchise could be cool enough to make a talking psychic dinosaur with a shotgun and gay enough to destroy itself with troonshit at the same time

>>723196597
kek that's fair, they're both shit. I just think 2 has at least one strength and 3 has none

>>723196597
>2's writing is is acceptable because it rapes the overarching story
>No ME2
>No Mordin
>No robo-EDI
>No Miranda/Henry
>No Grunt
>No Jack
>No Legion
>No Thane
>No Samara
Remove all these, and ME3 is a shit game.
It's some irrelevant quests with people you don't know, about issues you don't give a shit about.
And a whole lot of fetch quests, and MP maps.

>>723197269
>remove ME2, and you give Mass Effect two games worth of actually following through from ME1 and not some retconned Cerberus wankfest
Yes please

>>723197331
You were always going to get Cerberus in ME3. You'd just have even less of an idea about them, without ME2.

>723197454
>you were always going to get Cerberus in an AU where ME2 and ME3 were completely different and ME2 didn't completely shit the bed by soft rebooting the IP by killing Shepard, destroying the Normandy, disbanding the crew, turning the Alliance retarded and forcing you to work for the OC donutsteel glowie
Take your meds, (You)

>>723197269
>miranda, grunt, jack, thane, samara
>mattering to me3 in any way
Also, robo-EDI is pure coomer slop, no reason she couldn't have just stayed as ship AI
ME2 could have been act 1 of ME3 with the removal of all of those characters, and then ME3 would have been about rebuilding afterwards

>>723197269
ME3 is a shit game with all of those

>>723197686
>ME2 could have been act 1 of ME3 with the removal of all of those characters
They are the best received Bioware characters since maybe Baldur's Gate. No other cast has ever had the success of the ME2 characters in a Bioware game. Why would you do something as stupid as removing them? They've patently stood the test of time, they are talked about until today, and are the sole reason anyone has any interest in Mass Effect still. Why do we need to spout these dogshit takes, for the sake of being contrarian all the time? Eventually, people will start believing this shit.

>>723195172
>the setting being the only strength of the series as a whole
Correct, 2's side quest structure might be to blame for 3 having far too much to do narratively but the hook of the series was never the Reapers, it was being a galaxy-trotting black ops ship captain taking scalps and banging blue space babes. The setting was always the star and it shone through in this >>723197269 incredible list of characters and noir tone.
The background threat of the reapers should have remained just that. Galaxy wide doomsday invasion was the literal worse thing they could have done with the IP

>>723197748
It's shit because it doesn't have enough of those, for one thing, and it is even shittier without even that tiny amount that they do have.

>>723197883
We're talking about ME3. You said they were important to ME3 which they are objectively not. I only said remove them because otherwise the ME2 + ME3 game would be way too long

>>723197951
I agree, once again a game/series that would have benefited from a far less bombastic hollywood-wannabe story. If only AAA writing teams weren't so thoroughly fucking retarded and understood what they were working with

>>723198050
>You said they were important to ME3 which they are objectively not
Yes, they are. ME3 is a shit experience, because of the lack involvement of these characters. Not to mention, of the couple that are somewhat involved, Mordin and Legion, they are the highlights of the game, and everything else in the main plot is a huge fucking nosedive. The moment Legion exits the game, it goes from a 7/10 to a Veilguard. It's just that without them, the game is a 6 before the end of Rannoch, and still a Veilguard after it. It is crucial if you intend to play ME3 without gouging your eyes out.

>>723198326
I didn't list mordin or legion, retard, because they actually do something. What kind of faggot ass argument is saying the others are important to the plot by nature of not being there?

>>723190528
One thing I liked about 2 is the environments.
1 is technologically limited for the most part, so we get a lot of young prefab colonies and mines on the frontier of Council space.
3 is less so but now everything is pretty much dark dreary blasted rubble.
2 takes you around to a lot of different locales.

>>723198469
>>I didn't list mordin or legion, retard,
I ain't makin' discounts for you, deepshit.
How do you think we recruited them? Why did Mordin agree to it?
Stop making assumptions that people didn't concede to.

>>723198639
I reject your concession, try harder

>>723164241 (OP)
It was worse but not all that bad. I liked the gunplay in 3. The endings were stupid but I never expected much from Bioware for that

>>723198689
>Playing Grissom without Jack
>Rachni without Grunt
>The Ardat-Yakshi monastery without Samara, and no idea what an Ardat-Yaksi even is
And you can cut all those missions, if you want, but what are you going to substitute it with? More MP maps? More eavesdrop fetch quests? More fucking slop content. No wonder you like ME3 so much.

>>723197951
It was both. This is no different than people misinterpreting early Ass Creeds and thinking the historical story was any more important than the modern day plot, then being surprised at the franchise quickly going to shit. You brought this on yourselves by asking for seconds after ME2 threw it all out the window

>>723198993
I never said I like me3. You don't have very good reading comprehension

>>723199619
>>I never said I like me3. You don't have very good reading comprehension
Then why are you defending it? Do you defend shit you don't like on the regular? Or are you a liar and a hypocrite?

>>723199696
You double down again on your delusions of what I said. I never defended 3, I criticized 2. Take your meds

Uh oh, the ME2 schizo is mad

>>723199829
>I never defended 3,
>>723196597
Is this you?

Has anyone posted it, yet?

>>723197331
kek this
we didn't know just how good we had it in the beginning, did we

>>723200193
ME1 is Alpha Protocol, but worse, tier.

>>723199953
No it's not

>>723200572
Than you shouldn't have intruded on someone else's conversation. You are no longer welcome in it.

>>723196597
No. 3's writing is just awful because the writing is awful. It's not that the story they chose to tell is entirely wrong. Not compared to how far off-grid 2 already was. It's the execution and even a lot of the dialogue. There are non-funny parts where I cringe a lot at 3, because it's not nailing its tone or intent. It feels like fanfiction writing moreso than 2 did.

>>723200676
It was an a and b conversation and I c my way in

>>723195375
>he sides with Geths
lol did you not get the peace option?
plus, she aint gypsy, she space jew
>eastern european/ME accents
>VA jewish
>quarians driven from homeland
>warring with space palestinians
>very intelligent but neurotic
>wide khazar birthing hips
volus are also space jews, but with the financial aspect and having turian golems

>>723195894
Better a human face than quarian concept art from ME1. That was lightly horrifying.

>>723200172
That's true though. Or did you need a Fallout style ending with a slideshow ending mentioning every choice you made? Everything you did and chose before still matters.

>>723164241 (OP)
I have never heard anyone say that 3 was better than 2.

>>723204410
>very intelligent but neurotic
Semites aren't particularly more intelligent than others, they're just more driven and used to exploit others using their social structure specifics.
>warring with space palestinians
Geth are Quarian "kids", de-facto servants. While the particular civilization parasitism parallels are there, the comparison doesn't work because Palestinians are arabified Semites that are the actual Israel inheritors.
Jews that made modern Israel are hypocritical kinslayers.

>>723200193
It would've been cool to play those ME1 builds, play through Caleston, and the earliest final mission versions.
Didn't they plan TIM to be in 1 too?

>>723164241 (OP)
Mass Effect 2 is easily the worst. I still enjoy it, and it's not truly terrible, but that's just how it is. The story is well worse than ME1, and the gameplay is worse than both ME1 and ME3. I GUESS you could give it the character point, but I don't really feel it that much. It probably has my favorite premise for a story/story arc in the series, so there's that I guess. But in every subsequent playthrough it's the low point to me, at least if we're talking about ranking them by the entire game.

>>723204831
i see many parallels of the quarians being between space gypsies and space israelis (on the surface at least) and think they blended the two. do gypsies have a homeland or have they always been nomads?
I think Rannoch is a pretty obvious parallel between Israeli/Palestine, so much so that even the planet's surface is a desert with little arable land
>"Photosynthetic life is concentrated around rivers and oceans, with large expanses of desert in between."

>>723196786
>troonshit
Uh, who? Other than Traynor and Cortez fag quota, ruined Kaidan and 2 fags in Andromeda there's no troon garbage there anywhere in the plot.

>>723205346
I'm unsure whether or not they were expelled, but Gypsies come from India/Bharat.

>>723205298
I can't relate to anybody who says 3 was better than 2. I think 2 is worse than 1 in main plot for sure. It really feels like a dimininshing returns sequel, but the Team Building mission and Suicide Mission is a slam dunk as a standalone concept and just a video-game narrative, and it feels great every time I've tried it.

For me 2 still has a vibe I can't get enough of. The universe feels colorful and diverse in that game, and it truly does show you how multifaceted little regions of space are. You can argue the world they built feels way smaller in 2, but that's nothing compared to 3 where every single drop on the Citadel or Missions has SOMEONE you knew from the previous games basically show up to confirm they exist, and disappear like a checked off box.

3 is just a bit all over the place for me. It doesn't feel like Mass Effect enough to me. The whole "It's WARRR" thing feels weird even though the Reapers are a big part of the game. It feels like two nerdy kids built sandcastles in a sandbox, and then that's ME1/2. Then a group of bullies show up and wanna join, and they start punching the sandcastles and there's nothing worthwhile in the sandbox after they've been there for 2 minutes.

That's what 3 felt like to me. Just idiots attempting to take the lore and story and making the most obvious but unsuitable decisions with them, and at the end of the game there's no going back. They completely jumped the shark on 3.

>>723205362
>Surveys in Western cultures find, on average...0.5% of men and 1% of women as evenly bisexual, 0.5% of men and 0.5% of women as mostly homosexual, and 2% of men and 0.5% of women as completely homosexual
gayness is rare, but you still end up with (at least) 1 lezzie, 1 power bottom, and 1 fag

>>723164241 (OP)
2 and 3 were both trash, me1 was the only game with decent writing

>Alliance takes away your entire heavy weapon collection
>never see it ever again
>they don't do anything with it
Anderson, I want my big guns back.

>>723205646
2 is smaller, but it is more detailed.

>>723184117
Based and same. I think I could walk around most of the maps blindfolded while pointing out all the ammo boxes and spawn points

>>723205646
i personally like me1 vibe the most, retrofuturism is just too good and noveria is one of the best video game hubs ever
me2 has hands down the best cinematography, i like the game's structure too, suicide missions is kino, it's a shame game's combat is pure ass, aged terribly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edVznYyqpJU

Why didn't Shepard just commandeer the foolish xeno council?

>>723184354
if I buy ME3 on steam does it ask for my EA account. That way I have all the stuff from when I played it on Origin?

Young Miri ToT

>Replaying ME3 LE
>have to restart multiple mission\s because enemies bug out and disappear and the fight never ends
shit sucks

>>723195894
That was the case since ME1. The silhouette of her face behind the breathing mask has a very human nose, always had.

>>723165146
>If anything the fault of 3 is to
not show Cerberus equivalent organizations of other species.

STEEEEEVE

>>723220163
im ok

>>723164241 (OP)
lol no, everything me3 is and isn't is set up mostly by me2
>reapers and their creation
>TIM betrayal and indoctrination by reaper tech
>geth vs quarians
>genophage cure
with all those plot point already established honestly i don't even blame them for going with macguffin

>>723169389
>>723169474
how the fuck would you know what reddit thinks?

>>723186617
>K*idan
>human

>>723220954
You sure?

>>723215482
worked fine on my computer, are you using mods?

>>723164241 (OP)
Mass Effect 3 is actually fun to play though. Why would I want to shoot merc reskins for 8 hours?

>>723165778
Nice b8