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Anonymous No.723469810 [Report] >>723469906 >>723470026 >>723470475 >>723470565 >>723470726 >>723471032 >>723471534 >>723471607 >>723471654 >>723472326 >>723473252 >>723473467 >>723477325 >>723477701 >>723480401 >>723485567 >>723487683 >>723491149
>"Hey can I copy your homework"
>"Sure just make it look different so that it doesn't look like you just copied it"
>"ok"
Anonymous No.723469906 [Report] >>723470026 >>723471192 >>723495760
>>723469810 (OP)
They look nothing alike.
Anonymous No.723470026 [Report] >>723470565 >>723483861 >>723486779
>>723469810 (OP)
The Tempest is so goddamn ugly, nevermind the stupid layout with the ladders

>>723469906
You're dumb if you believe it's a coincidence it's colored in the same palette as the Normandy
Anonymous No.723470475 [Report] >>723471949
>>723469810 (OP)
bottom: soul
top: soulless
Anonymous No.723470565 [Report] >>723470909 >>723471286
>>723469810 (OP)
Works fine.
>>723470026
Because the Normandy has a great layout, right?
Anonymous No.723470726 [Report] >>723472189
>>723469810 (OP)
>tempest
>fins
Does it need to fly in atmosphere often or for long?
Anonymous No.723470909 [Report] >>723471571
>>723470565
Better than the Tempest, yeah
Anonymous No.723471032 [Report] >>723471142 >>723471223
>>723469810 (OP)
It's literally the same franchise made by the same studio
Anonymous No.723471142 [Report]
>>723471032
>made by the same studio
wrong
Anonymous No.723471192 [Report]
>>723469906

Get back to reading braille, net is not for you.
Anonymous No.723471223 [Report]
>>723471032
>It's literally the same franchise
So are Thief 1998 and Thief 2014.
>made by the same studio
Wrong. The original trilogy was made by BioWare Edmonton, Andromeda was made by BioWare Montreal.
Anonymous No.723471286 [Report] >>723471715
>>723470565
Yeah, the Tempest's issue is its interior. Doesn't feel like a spaceship while Normandy just does.
Anonymous No.723471534 [Report] >>723471635 >>723471643 >>723472029
>>723469810 (OP)
Retarded post, and op - surprise surprise - is a fag
Anonymous No.723471571 [Report] >>723472000
>>723470909
>have to walk 60-70+ or so meters to get to the map each time
lmao
Anonymous No.723471607 [Report]
>>723469810 (OP)
Tempest a shit but I did like the giant window in the bedroom. Would be comfy
Anonymous No.723471635 [Report] >>723479959
>>723471534
>"Retarded post, and op"
>posts pic that proves him right
???
Anonymous No.723471643 [Report] >>723479539
>>723471534
SR1 > Alliance SR2 > Cerberus SR2 > powergap > Tempest
Anonymous No.723471654 [Report]
>>723469810 (OP)
They are both inspired by the same aircraft and sci-fi concept art, you silly goose.
Anonymous No.723471715 [Report] >>723471781
>>723471286
A spacecraft can feel like anything. Does it feel too free for you?
Anonymous No.723471781 [Report] >>723471883
>>723471715
It's too wasteful with its interior space.
Anonymous No.723471883 [Report] >>723472095
>>723471781
So are the SR-1/SR-2. Still empty enough for leisurely recon.
Anonymous No.723471949 [Report] >>723483942
>>723470475
But enough about gay sex
Anonymous No.723472000 [Report] >>723472637
>>723471571
Man, I thought you were talking about in-universe. Who gives a shit you have to press W for a few seconds each time you board from docking. Don't want to do that? Fast travel back, it puts you right at the map. Fucking crybaby bullshit, god damn.
Anonymous No.723472029 [Report] >>723472289 >>723473043 >>723487896
>>723471534
What do the square thingies at the tail-end do?
Never could figure it out.
Anonymous No.723472095 [Report] >>723472376
>>723471883
Compare the SR1 captain cabin with the Tempest captain cabin, keeping in mind the SR2's cabin was retardedly wasteful and expensive on purpose for TIM to try and make Shepard comfortable working with Cerberus and that the Tempest was supposedly financed for exploration first and comfort later by the Initiative as a whole, and it wasn't meant to be "le unique one of a kind stealth ship" any more than any of the other Pathfinders' ships.
Anonymous No.723472189 [Report] >>723472409
>>723470726
Yeah it was made as a scouting ship for colonial enterprise. Honestly the tempest is one of the very few things Andromeda got right along with gameplay/movement.
Anonymous No.723472289 [Report]
>>723472029
Some kind of thrust vectoring, I think they move when the Normandy is twisting in its death throes.
Anonymous No.723472326 [Report]
>>723469810 (OP)
The bottom looks like a penis
Anonymous No.723472376 [Report] >>723472586 >>723472792
>>723472095
The Pathfinder ships are supposed to be special on their own, and the human one is extra super special because TIM was a humanity first guy. The human AI is the only one fully unlocked for the same reason.
Anonymous No.723472409 [Report] >>723472549 >>723472790
>>723472189
>meant to be smaller than the Normandy but is bigger on the inside
>wasted layout where half the rooms remain empty 99% of the game even though squadmates do have the ability to move about
>no weapons on the ship "because we're le explorers not le fighters" because as we all know there's zero reason to want to be armed just in case when traveling TO A DIFFERENT FUCKING GALAXY
>along with gameplay/movement
Anon...
Anonymous No.723472549 [Report] >>723472653 >>723472865
>>723472409
>meant to be smaller than the Normandy but is bigger on the inside
Haven't played it for long enough I forgot about how it looked, other than the retarded captain's room, is there anything that actually makes it look to big?
>wasted layout where half the rooms remain empty 99% of the game even though squadmates do have the ability to move about
?
>no weapons on the ship
There are dedicated combat ships. Weapons have weight and will literally slow you down. Even with mass effect it gives you an edge
>along with gameplay/movement
Yes, movement and actual combat gameplay was better than ME1-3. Squad management is gone which is shit.
Anonymous No.723472586 [Report] >>723472931 >>723472972
>>723472376
>the Pathfinder ships are supposed to be special
That shouldn't mean "waste space and millions in budget for no good reason"
>and the human one is extra super special because TIM was a humanity first guy
What the fuck does TIM have to do with the Initiative. Surely you don't believe he was the Benefactor?
>the human AI is the only one fully unlocked for the same reason
Our SAM is fully unlocked because he was designed by Daddy Ryder and the neural implants were created by Mommy Ryder, so you can bet your ass they kept their own version of the AI free and ready to learn
Anonymous No.723472637 [Report]
>>723472000
I was. In-universe SR-1 is 120 or so meters long. SR-2 is twice larger. Neither interior matches their exterior at all.
The actual Normandy would have to be heavily wrangled just to be sensible.
Helmsman is in the most exposed area, CIC is near the elevator, which also happens to be rather far away.
Measuring SR-2 by the cargo area and the shuttle proportions increases SR-2 to a size of a cruiser, and increases cruiser size to 1.5km.
Anonymous No.723472653 [Report] >>723472970
>>723472549
>There are dedicated combat ships
Well I'm sure that will work just fine whenver the Tempest is alone in the middle of space doing sidequest nº35478 and they're shot at. We're pacifists, guys!
>Yes, movement and actual combat gameplay was better than ME1-3
(You)
Anonymous No.723472790 [Report] >>723472905 >>723473050
>>723472409
I dislike Andromeda a lot, but the combat is genuinely the best part of it and is better than 1-3.
Anonymous No.723472792 [Report]
>>723472376
It is distractingly wasteful.
Anonymous No.723472865 [Report]
>>723472549
Andromeda's movement is schizophrenic and its gunplay moreso
Anonymous No.723472905 [Report]
>>723472790
Not better than 3's combat IMO.
Anonymous No.723472931 [Report] >>723473040 >>723473164 >>723473353
>>723472586
>doesn't think Cerberus was involved
>when they're literally the only in-universe entity capable of making it happen in that short of a window
>not to mention the bleeding edge AI and FTL drives
Anonymous No.723472970 [Report] >>723473423
>>723472653
You should slowly saunter over to cover, (You)'re taking shots, bro.
>Well I'm sure that will work just fine whenver the Tempest is alone in the middle of space doing sidequest nº35478 and they're shot at. We're pacifists, guys!
1v1 it would work. 1v many they'd be outgunned even if they had guns and the safest course is a tactical retreat. Seriously how are you not getting this, even the Normandies frequently used stealth instead of fighting because why bother. In fact I don't remember a single time they actually fought and didn't get squished. I'm sure it happened I just don't remember.
Anonymous No.723472972 [Report] >>723473117
>>723472586
TIM would have made sure the nonhuman (subhuman) ships blew up in transit and would never have allowed that blue whore onto the human ship. Can't have been him.
Anonymous No.723473040 [Report]
>>723472931
>>when they're literally the only in-universe entity capable of making it happen in that short of a window
Do you think mega corporations don't exist there or something?
Most Alliance colonies aren't like Eden Prime or Horizon maps.
Anonymous No.723473043 [Report]
>>723472029
They fulmugate tachyons.
Anonymous No.723473050 [Report] >>723499126
>>723472790
Guns all sound weak, the enemy AI just stands out in the open, there's no actual level design 90% of the time because you fight in the middle of nowhere in an open desert. Also, >>723184658
Anonymous No.723473117 [Report] >>723473232
>>723472972
TIM does not hate aliens at all. He's a ruthless pragmatic and xenophobic, but not maliciously xenophobic.
Anonymous No.723473164 [Report]
>>723472931
>FTL drives
Obviously Asari.
>AI
Obviously a Human and STG collaboration.
Why do you think a retarded organization whose projects all escape and butcher their researchers that has objectively fewer resources to pull from than actual governments would be behind this?
Anonymous No.723473191 [Report] >>723473507 >>723483795 >>723486006
Andromeda is such a classic case of wasted potential. They had literal unlimited creative potential in being a new galaxy and can make all sort of crazy shit because it's not the milky way. Instead they do something so generic and bland. I do think they could've done something more with the organic Borg Roman Empire that the Kett were but it was all very safe.
Anonymous No.723473232 [Report] >>723473526
>>723473117
Normies are unable to comprehend the different between human nationalists and human supremacists because of the real life white nat/white sup programming.
Anonymous No.723473252 [Report]
>>723469810 (OP)
This is because they combined Turian and Human architecture together.
This proves that diversity is better than homogenous society
Anonymous No.723473348 [Report]
The only good combat out of all games is ME3 multiplayer Everything else are various flavors of bad, no point to even argue about it.
Anonymous No.723473353 [Report] >>723473578 >>723473627
>>723472931
You're stupid. Narratively, TIM had no reason to finance an expedition to leave the Milky Way when his thing is being indoctrinated and doing what the Reapers wish, and you've got a whole sidequest about Cerberus employees using the expedition to escape from TIM. Also, TIM sucked major balls as early as ME2, stop using him as the answer to fucking everything.
Meta-wise, the Benefactor's identity was set up as a mystery to be revealed in Andromeda 2, there's a whole quest about investigating the Initiative's creator's death and how she was assassinated. It'd make zero sense to build up the identity of the Benefactor for the reveal to be "oh it's this random man that died 630 years ago back in the previous galaxy". The Benefactor is 100% in Andromeda.
Anonymous No.723473423 [Report] >>723475504
>>723472970
I'll accept the concession
Anonymous No.723473467 [Report]
>>723469810 (OP)
Watched a LP of Andromeda and its comical how much of a poor imitation it is of the ME trilogy. Its like they perfectly did the opposite of what the original games did. Crew sucks. Dialog is fucking dreadful and cringe. Main protagonists are goobers. It even tries to have ME3's Citadel party but with a movie night but, again, the characters are so lame and spouting out stupid nonsense that it does not work.
Anonymous No.723473507 [Report]
>>723473191
>have an entire new galaxy to do whatever
>recycle the fucking harvesters, but with added political drama
It was truly depressing, fully realizing how creatively bankrupt they were.
Anonymous No.723473526 [Report] >>723473743
>>723473232
If you think a "human nationalist" would allow the Krogan plague join a colonial expedition you're delusional.
Anonymous No.723473578 [Report]
>>723473353
what if it's a female clone of TIM
or TIM's secret child
Anonymous No.723473602 [Report] >>723473923 >>723483062
Anonymous No.723473615 [Report]
>Captain!
Anonymous No.723473627 [Report] >>723473901
>>723473353
>TIM had no reason to finance
TIM, like Saren and Shepard are highly resistant to indoctrination. He likely suspected it since his run-in into the Shanxi artifact and had appropriate plans, hence why Cerberus is both so capable and so seemingly incompetent in its cells.
More importantly, indoctrination works slowly and insidiously, ruining a person in the process. The more indoctrinated, the less capable a person is. Reapers see value in TIM "running free", and he knows that too.
Anonymous No.723473743 [Report] >>723474472 >>723475148
>>723473526
Human breeding can be accelerated to comparable levels, and Andromeda Krogan have an advantage of being hand-picked for the expedition. Blood Pack mercs don't get to work in such projects.
Krogan are quite fine.
Anonymous No.723473901 [Report] >>723474025 >>723474217 >>723474538
>>723473627
You're still not explaining the obvious point of how the Benefactor is meant to be an Andromeda mystery, not another member berry to the OT
>hence why Cerberus is both so capable and so seemingly incompetent
That's easily explainable. Cerberus were generic mooks in 1, for some bizarre fucking reason they thought it'd be a good idea to try and make them "le nuanced" in 2 but failing at every step (Overlord, Collector Ship), then in 3 they needed to focus on the Reapers and also have human enemies for the TPS gameplay to make sense.

Cerberus was a mistake.
Anonymous No.723473923 [Report] >>723474009
>>723473602
>But what about Jane Shepard's butt?..
Anonymous No.723474009 [Report]
>>723473923
Home grown...
Anonymous No.723474025 [Report] >>723474165
>>723473901
>Cerberus were generic mooks in 1
>a whole fucking spec ops division for false flag operations Alliance can't afford
>TIM was originally planned to be in 1 before they cut the plot as usual
>generic mooks
Did you even play the damn game?
Anonymous No.723474058 [Report]
The Benefactor is nobody - like literally. Mass Effect devs were never known for planning ahead too much, and I doubt Andromeda's fuckups were any different given its hectic development. Pretty sure the writers just left the Benefactor as a hook for future games so they could figure it out later and invent a new character to fit the role. He's for sure not someone that was established in the lore beforehand.
Anonymous No.723474165 [Report] >>723474462
>>723474025
Yes, Cerberus were generic mooks in 1. Kahoku gave them a single line backstory that's then retconned in 2, doesn't make them not generic mooks bandits you kill in a bunch of bandit camps across the galaxy then forget about them.
Anonymous No.723474171 [Report] >>723474364
Normandy only has like 4 beds for a crew of dozens

Meanwhile the Tempest gives Ryder a yuge ass room but the only crew member with their own quarters is the turian girl

Vidya devs failed starship design
Anonymous No.723474213 [Report]
Cerberus Normandy > Alliance Normandy > Shepard Normandy
Anonymous No.723474217 [Report]
>>723473901
>Cerberus was a mistake.
It's completely fine in 1
Anonymous No.723474364 [Report]
>>723474171
Normandy has a dozen sleeping pods besides the beds and the crew is established to hot-bunk.
Anonymous No.723474462 [Report] >>723474843
>>723474165
So generic that a whole manufacturer Cerberus Skunkworks exists.
A retcon is not an apriori synonym of poor or unintended writing, or lack of intent, consumer. Galactic scale story telling is simply too huge in scope otherwise, especially when you have to program content in.
Anonymous No.723474472 [Report] >>723474547 >>723474645
>>723473743
>Human breeding can be accelerated to comparable levels
lol
lmao even
They have 1000 eggs a year and will inevitably evolve past the genophage.
Anonymous No.723474538 [Report]
>>723473901
I'm convinced it was an ancient Krogan.
Anonymous No.723474547 [Report] >>723474646
>>723474472
>can't into genetic engineering
Krogan are overrated and misunderstood.
Anonymous No.723474645 [Report] >>723474839 >>723480374
>>723474472
Science trumps breeding, humans in the current day can already clone and grow fetuses in plastic bags, we could probably run 100:1 if we invested into mass produced offspring.
Anonymous No.723474646 [Report]
>>723474547
That's because the Salarians deal with the ones who try
Anonymous No.723474839 [Report] >>723475072
>>723474645
Krogans are borderline immortal. A Krogan female will pump out 1000 eggs a year every year for at least thousand years. Each viable egg will do the same. You will not clone your way past that math.
Anonymous No.723474843 [Report] >>723475420
>>723474462
>so generic that cut content is cut
Yes
>A retcon is
A retarded way to try and turn an Alliance black ops that went rogue a few months ago into a 20yo terrorist organization established shortly after First Contact.

Cerberus were generic mooks in 1, and should've stayed so. The franchise went to shit the second they decided to throw all of 1's build-up out the window to start sucking this random glownigger's cock off as the writer's pet.
Anonymous No.723475072 [Report] >>723475331 >>723480374 >>723480776
>>723474839
I think you're drastically underestimating the capacity of future reproduction technology. Imagine if babies could be churned out as fast as cheap plastic bottles are now. That's 600 billion a year.
Anonymous No.723475148 [Report]
>>723473743
That's nice, it still doesn't explain why the fuck would TIM give gene therapy to the fucking krogan
Anonymous No.723475331 [Report]
>>723475072
Well now you've replaced traditional human society with an apparatus solely dedicated to keeping up with Krogan population count.
Anonymous No.723475378 [Report] >>723475938 >>723486923
So much wasted potential.
Anonymous No.723475420 [Report] >>723475832 >>723475848
>>723474843
Content is cut for all sorts of reasons.
>A retarded way to try and turn an Alliance black ops that went rogue a few months ago into a 20yo terrorist organization established shortly after First Contact.
Only if you're a brainlet who can't into secret operations.
There's a lot of ways to have Cerberus proper classified in the time span between their manifesto, antimatter theft and Kahoku, while Cerberus in 1 can be a double side cell that is at once both rogue Alliance black ops and a defector to Cerberus, with Kahoku trying to both condemn them by implication, but also stay disavowed because the Council is spying.
You're filtered basically, just like most Mass Effect players, who for all their preaching about details and supposed thinking are strangely unwilling to work with the plot they've got, only ever scoffing in derision at anything not explained.
Children.
Anonymous No.723475504 [Report]
>>723473423
I'll accept the concession
Anonymous No.723475832 [Report] >>723476042
>>723475420
That's nice but doesn't explain how Cerberus has a massive space station that nobody knows about and an entire fleet of top of the line space ships able to deploy their troops anywhere in the galaxy without reprisal from any faction.
Kill yourself.
Anonymous No.723475848 [Report] >>723476238
>>723475420
>there's a lot of ways for the Cerberus that's always presented in its unbelievably fucking retarded obsession with plastering its logo everywhere in its vicinity from clothes to armors to weapons to laboratories to ships to fucking cofee mugs to do so as it is standing as a pro-human extremist independent organization for over twenty years to magically lose *ALL* of that for a couple months there in 2183 just so we just so happen to find outposts and operatives that look like any other generic merc in the galaxy
>and NO they don't involve the clear retcon it is because it hurts my fee fees okay? >:(
Concession accepted, the Benefactor is still not Cerberus
Anonymous No.723475938 [Report]
>>723475378
omg this is blue board!! cover her up now, harlot!
Anonymous No.723475980 [Report] >>723476273
I didn’t mind andromeda. I understand why people don’t like it, but I appreciated the elements it had which I found enjoyable.
Considering I got it 80% off on sale after the patches I consider it a pretty good game for what I payed. 5.5/10.
Also I actually liked the tempest. Acknowledging and trying to ignore the oversized captains cabin I think it was a pretty cool little ship, and one thing I liked is that it felt a fair bit more alive than the Normandy. I know people here will disagree but everyone just standing in their own room silently was always pretty depressing. ME3 Normandy easily matches it in that regard though. Also 4 beds is fine considering it’s got a crew of like 8 and two of those have their own rooms. Hotbunking is an unfortunate reality for explorers.
Anonymous No.723476042 [Report] >>723476285
>>723475832
Same way all other factions in the series have their own installations in the bumfuck nowhere.
They've built them and didn't feel like informing some plebs about their existence, because they are good at deception, and you're basically a dumb meta fag.
Why don't you check the size of our galaxy this instant?
Anonymous No.723476238 [Report] >>723476934
>>723475848
>he doesn't get the purpose or utility behind the logo
>assuming the logo was made public before Shepard's death
Magically lose implies they were fully overt at all times. That's not how cell based structures operate.
>Benefactor is still not
Never said it was, you talk to multiple people at once.
Anonymous No.723476273 [Report]
>>723475980
I love exploring hills, forests, crevasses and caverns while in bunkbed with my explorer pals
Anonymous No.723476285 [Report] >>723476649 >>723476695 >>723477007 >>723480025
>>723476042
Cerberus is so secretive that everyone we run into in ME2 not only knows about them but also recognizes the logo the emblazon on everything.
You can't have those two things be the same.
A space station and a fleet aren't things that just appear from nothing. It would take obscene amounts of man power and infrastructure that can't just be handwaved away without it being an extension of the System Alliance in the same way the STG is for the Salarians.
Anonymous No.723476649 [Report]
>>723476285
>You can't have those two things be the same.
*at the same time
Anonymous No.723476695 [Report] >>723477095 >>723477480
>>723476285
You can, actually. ME2 has a 2 year time gap between Shepard's death and the game start.
The Cerberus puts on the logo as it mobilizes itself into a full faction/rebellion in human social paradigm.
>A space station and a fleet aren't things that just appear from nothing. It would take obscene amounts of man power and infrastructure that can't just be handwaved away without it being an extension of the System Alliance in the same way the STG is for the Salarians.
One man and a bunch of robotics can easily do it.
And seeing as Cerberus has interests in all areas of science, including mind control cybernetics and robots? Yeah.
Manpower is needed to design. It is not needed to build in space.
Anonymous No.723476934 [Report] >>723477059
>>723476238
>assuming the logo was made public before Shepard's death
I mean.. yeah, it was
>Magically lose implies they were fully overt at all times
I mean.. yeah, they were
>you talk to multiple people
Don't worry, you're both just as retarded
Anonymous No.723477007 [Report] >>723477127
>>723476285
>Mordin believes he's so fucking clever figuring out we're sent by Cerberus
>meanwhile, my Shepard wearing Cerberus armor and Jacob having the Ceberus logo on his chest
Anonymous No.723477059 [Report] >>723477438
>>723476934
Did you miss the "made public" part? As in made known to the larger galaxy and passed through the sheer amount of glownigger social control that this particular space era setting has?
>I mean.. yeah, they were
No? Are you being obtuse on purpose?
Anonymous No.723477095 [Report] >>723477589
>>723476695
But ME2's intro with Miranda and TIM talking happens before Shepard's death, at the same time as the end of ME1? And by then the entire thing seems normal and exactly as it does two years later?
Anonymous No.723477098 [Report] >>723480405 >>723485713 >>723486087 >>723486087 >>723486997
Andromeda was shit in SO MANY aspects but the final nail to the coffin was its technical state that repelled even the shit-eating "modern audience" that would otherwise not notice its other major flaws
My personal experience was that I stopped at some random story mission because I got bored and started doing side quests and just overall clearing the map, then got bored again and quit the game. I found out later that the exact mission I stopped by was supposed to be literally the final one with the epilogue and ending, that's how good and captivating the story and the pacing in this game were
In retroperspective it was the beginning of an end, the first biblical kill of a game series by DEI hires, truly an Indian Effect: Andromeda
Anonymous No.723477127 [Report] >>723477190
>>723477007
Only if you wear it and only if you don't take Zaeed with you.
Anonymous No.723477190 [Report] >>723477546 >>723477635 >>723480205
>>723477127
Is that meant to be an argument? The fact Mordin's dialogue makes him sound retarded because it doesn't change, and also Zaeed not existing when the game came out?
Anonymous No.723477325 [Report]
>>723469810 (OP)
>wings
>1 inch of metal holds the engines on
>mother fucking tail wing
>no antennas, dishes or solar panels
I never liked this ship.
Anonymous No.723477438 [Report] >>723479010
>>723477059
The burden of proof is still on you to prove things are in fact not as they were shown to be across all games and expanded media. I'll put it in simpler terms so your brain can understand: in that pic (and plenty of others btw) you can see Cerberus facilities with Cerberus logos on the wall. Forget about the clothes, the locations themselves have logos on walls and doors. Everywhere. Always. We also know this to be the case as early as Pragia. Now, explain why the *only* Cerberus facilities where that's not the case are the ones we find in ME1 outside of "retcon", with an explanation cleary offered by the games outside your headcanon.
Anonymous No.723477480 [Report] >>723479090
>>723476695
>One man and a bunch of robotics can easily do it.
Where are materials for the mined?
Where are they forged?
Where are they assembled?
Where is the programming for the robots happening?
Who is doing the programming?
Who is supplying the programmers? Who is feeding them?
The same questions go for the space station. The same goes for the space ships. The same goes for those researchers doing all these things.
There is a monumental need for manpower and infrastructure could only be hidden by an actual government with established supply lines and resources to draw on. Cerberus only makes sense as an extension of the Systems Alliance and that idea falls apart in Mass Effect 3 when nobody knows where the station is.
It's okay to like something but admit that it's poorly written. The idea of Cerberus is cool. The idea of deniable space glowies striking alien interests is great. It's just not well executed.
Anonymous No.723477546 [Report] >>723477594
>>723477190
Mordin's getting up there in years for a Salarian. He's probably just sundowning.
Anonymous No.723477589 [Report] >>723478163
>>723477095
"Puts on a logo" is exactly what I mean by "going public". They have their banner, they just don't wear it on transponders in the most up-yours fashion just yet, and obfuscate its usage by being selective where, when and why it is used.
TIM's HQ naturally has it and nobody gets to see it.
Anonymous No.723477594 [Report] >>723478146
>>723477546
He's what?!
Anonymous No.723477635 [Report]
>>723477190
Zaeed was cut out as per usual EA dlc practice.
Anonymous No.723477701 [Report] >>723478191 >>723478742
>>723469810 (OP)
Retarded looking space ships that would get instantly merced by anything with good lateral/vertical torque. Bitch ass nigga space aesthetics.
Anonymous No.723478146 [Report]
>>723477594
Aaaah, the good old days after End of Krogan Rebellions!
Anonymous No.723478163 [Report] >>723479274
>>723477589
>They have their banner, they just don't wear it on transponders in the most up-yours fashion just yet
But they clearly did
>obfuscate its usage by being selective where, when and why it is used
So why is it used in every single facility they've ever owned except the ones in ME1, with every single operative they've ever had working for them dressed in Cerberus armor or scientist clothes except for the ones in ME1
Anonymous No.723478191 [Report]
>>723477701
Post a better one, faggot.
Anonymous No.723478742 [Report] >>723485794
>>723477701
The series gimmick is that species have been led down a dead-end tech path that cripples their ship design so they can be more easily exterminated by a race of AI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_NAoNd4YyY
Anonymous No.723479010 [Report] >>723479321 >>723479437 >>723483085 >>723495532
>>723477438
There is no such thing as burden of proof. It's a rhetorical/debating trick to buy oneself an exit room by authority appeal and public guilt-tripping, which you naturally do, since you have no interest in dissecting the plot, or actually caring about it if it doesn't pass your square peg round hole of method based storytelling and assumption that poor execution automatically equals absence of intent or meaning.

Plot is poorly executed, but it is also not for abstract reasons and more importantly, - its execution is irrelevant to your choice on how to respond to it.
You gibber that it is nonsense in spite of being able to contemplate it, speak out against imagining and filling in presented holes (holes to you only) as headcanons in a sci-fi genre out of all genres, at the same time balancing "suspension of disbelief" dishonest idiocy about most fundamental things that constitute the setting, like Mass Effect weapons being a forensic nightmare, or in spite of FTL being ubiquitous there being no easily seen or even mentioned surveillance systems, or lack of ship metrics, or Bring Down The Sky happening in spite of the fact that it is mechanically possible to turn mass effect drives into kill vehicles, etc; yet being unable to do the same for sequels.

You're an actual, unironic dishonest midwit, who thinks he's smart for being ineffectually tautological about flaws even a child can see.
Dali (as in the artist) had a performance exactly suited for people like you. He once arranged a meeting with a man, but rather than meeting him, he turned on music, ran naked through a room with that man, an never bothered meeting him again.
>outside your headcanon.
Outside applying basic logic, you mean, you filthy hypocrite?
That's a basic selection and survivor bias on your part.
Installations that aren't covert critical have symbols. Installations in hot territory don't, or remove them on short notice.
Anonymous No.723479090 [Report] >>723479395
>>723477480
Same place where economics and credits rates are. Implied by the scene but never specified.
Anonymous No.723479274 [Report]
>>723478163
>But they clearly did
In 2, after Shepard dies.
>So why is it used in every single facility they've ever owned except the ones in ME1, with every single operative they've ever had working for them dressed in Cerberus armor or scientist clothes except for the ones in ME1
You never see every single facility. You only see failed cells in ME1, and cells you are allowed to see by TIM plus Jack's cell pro-bono in 2.
Anonymous No.723479321 [Report]
>>723479010
>There is no such thing as burden of proof
I will accept the concession one last time
Anonymous No.723479395 [Report]
>>723479090
I guess we agree that what we see of Cerberus, if taken as all that there is of it, doesn't make sense but differ on whether that can be hand-waved.
I'm still too angry about the direction 2 and 3 went to have a real conversation about that, good luck with the other guy you're arguing with, assuming that's also you.
Anonymous No.723479437 [Report]
>>723479010
hoooly shit, I cum
Anonymous No.723479539 [Report] >>723479753 >>723484060
>>723471643
>Alliance SR2 > Cerberus SR2
Absolutely fucking not.
Anonymous No.723479753 [Report]
>>723479539
Not him, but i agree. To be fair, though, I have a strong aversion to orange on any vehicle.
Anonymous No.723479959 [Report]
>>723471635
Ah, yes, a vaguely similar pointy shape for an aircraft has never been done or seen before. Do you need to put a helmet on when you get out of the bed in the morning?
Anonymous No.723480025 [Report] >>723482490
>>723476285
Even the fucking Omega nightclub bouncer knows who we are kek Cerberus is so fucking stupid
Anonymous No.723480205 [Report]
>>723477190
>Zaeed not existing when the game came out?
He came out like 2 fucking days after launch.
Anonymous No.723480374 [Report]
>>723474645
>>723475072
wow that's amazing anon! but have you thought about NOT bringing the krogan so we DON'T have to turn ourselves into dystopian bugmen? that ever occur to you, sweetie?
Anonymous No.723480401 [Report]
>>723469810 (OP)
I liked the Tempest better than the SR2
Anonymous No.723480405 [Report] >>723480716
>>723477098
I firmly believe 99% of Andromeda's problems (gameplay and animation-wise) could have been fixed by not forcing the devs to use the absolutely dogshit frostbite engine.
Anonymous No.723480428 [Report] >>723483002
Why mass effect accelerators not tear apart everything who uses them?
Even mako was ok launched across lightyears of space through one.
Anonymous No.723480716 [Report] >>723482780
>>723480405
I believe Bioware have said that themselves. It caused issues with Inquisition too
Anonymous No.723480776 [Report]
>>723475072
It makes more sense to use that tech and resources for wiping out the krogan for good.
Anonymous No.723482490 [Report]
>>723480025
I like to believe it's because Cerberus has been killing Batarians specifically for years
Anonymous No.723482780 [Report] >>723483112
>>723480716
>I believe Bioware have said that themselves. It caused issues with Inquisition too
Never played any DA beyond the first, but I was not aware that they outright said it.
Anonymous No.723483002 [Report]
>>723480428
>Why mass effect accelerators not tear apart everything who uses them?
>Even mako was ok launched across lightyears of space through one.
Because it accelerates all the mass at the same rate, and decelerates all the mass at the same rate, so inertia is not relevant.
Anonymous No.723483062 [Report] >>723484008
>>723473602
I've never seen this part of the game, is it that Pinnacle Station, or whatever it's called?
Anonymous No.723483085 [Report]
>>723479010
Holy schizo believing that typing a diatribe of a whole lot of nothing somehow makes an argument. Cerberus is laughable, everyone knows that
Anonymous No.723483112 [Report]
>>723482780
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/former-bioware-gm-opens-up-about-difficulties-of-frostbite-engine
Anonymous No.723483795 [Report]
>>723473191
wasnt the lead writer from Halo?
Anonymous No.723483861 [Report]
>>723470026
>>You're dumb if you believe it's a coincidence it's colored in the same palette as the Normandy
A lot of things have that majority white with red and black being secondary colors. Most of the guns have those as well. Or at least a lot of the guns. I just assume it's one of those things. It's a common color scheme in-universe.
Anonymous No.723483942 [Report]
>>723471949
Anonymous No.723484008 [Report]
>>723483062
Yeah, you aren't missing much. Probably the least important (and enjoyable) DLC in the trilogy after Firewalker.
Anonymous No.723484060 [Report] >>723485926
>>723479539
>looks more like a luxury cruise than a military frigate
>ugly orange accent colors over comfy blue
>armory located next to the CIC instead of in the shuttle bay for some godforsaken reason
Anonymous No.723485165 [Report] >>723487697 >>723488143 >>723488402
>Tempest is a copy of Normandy, but worse
>Nexus is a copy of the Citadel, but worse
>Drack is a copy of Wrex, but worse
>Vetra is a copy of Garrus, but worse
>Natalie Dormer is a copy of Chakwas, but worse
you forget how uncreative Andromeda is
Anonymous No.723485567 [Report]
>>723469810 (OP)
>"Hey can I copy your homework"
>"Sure just make it look different so that it doesn't look like you just copied it"
>"ok"
Anonymous No.723485713 [Report]
>>723477098
>truly an Indian Effect: Andromeda
Ah! Curry Thunder. What is he working on nowadays?
Anonymous No.723485794 [Report]
>>723478742
On par with the conversation with Malak at the end of KotoR.
That's not a compliment.
Anonymous No.723485926 [Report] >>723486407 >>723487438 >>723487526 >>723493286
>>723484060
All variants of Normandy had some strange oversights in their design. Not that I have spaceship designer credentials to back it up. Also, the SR2/3 variant doesn't even make sense space-wise. Some nerd on R*ddit demonstrated this with picrel.
I'm looking forward to Expanse and Exodus giving us a more sensible-looking spaceships that are still a little bit stylish:
>https://www.artstation.com/artwork/nJx9lo
Anonymous No.723486006 [Report]
>>723473191
Plus that main antagonist coming off as an autistic child and not even remotely menacing.
Anonymous No.723486087 [Report]
>>723477098
>retroperspective
ESL
>>723477098
>the first biblical kill of a game series by DEI hires, truly an Indian Effect: Andromeda
Those damn foreigners! They ruined the ga-
Anonymous No.723486407 [Report] >>723487438 >>723487498
>>723485926
>pic
maybe i'm retarded but what's wrong with the space usage? It makes sense to not have anything behind the mass effect drive. beyond that it seems to use all available space except for the wings, which surely have engines inside them
Anonymous No.723486741 [Report] >>723486928
the story and characters of andromeda were some of the worst in video game writing history which is inexcusable for any RPG let alone mass effect
>oh it could've been fixed if they had just tweak-
no, shut the fuck up, it was dogshit from start to finish, a mockery of its potential, significantly more egregious than anything mass effect 3 ever did
Anonymous No.723486779 [Report] >>723486915
>>723470026
A white-black-red/orange spacecraft? No way.
Anonymous No.723486915 [Report] >>723487354
>>723486779
what is this AI slop? why do ledditors love NASA-punk shit so much?
Anonymous No.723486923 [Report]
>>723475378
being stuck in the zero-g quarters would really suck. no amenities, isolated from the rest of the crew, exposed to all sorts of bullshit. I bet its a punitive assignment
Anonymous No.723486928 [Report] >>723487360
>>723486741
If it were a game about that old guy tard wrangling his FAS babies it would be great
Anonymous No.723486997 [Report]
>>723477098
>Indian Effect: Andromeda
not
>Ass Effect: Indiamedia
Anonymous No.723487105 [Report]
>Amazon reveals first picture of the Normandy Crew
Anonymous No.723487354 [Report]
>>723486915
>having functioning eyes and basic pattern recognition is reddit
Anonymous No.723487360 [Report]
>>723486928
him being the best character (probably because he died before they could ruin him) wouldn't change the retarded and deeply unlikable companions, the nonsensical ket, SAM, all the faggots on the nexus, etc. etc.
Anonymous No.723487438 [Report] >>723487773
>>723485926
>>723486407
Yeah the rear of the core is probably just swamped with cables, pipes and sci-fi thingamabobs that transfer the science to the thrusters. Some fuel tanks most likely. Idgi either.
Anonymous No.723487498 [Report]
>>723486407
Sorry, I didn't preface that the pic is a redesign that shows how the layout of each floor should look like so as to fit into the hull of the ship. The TL;DR version of it is that the elevator needs to move diagonally so as to actually lead you to various floors. The captain's cabin was pivoted by 180 degrees, the shuttle bay was drastically shortened, and the rest of the rooms are squished or stretched where needed.
They just needed someone to draw the cross-section of the ship or make a 3D model before finalizing the external design, like in picrel (it should be around the same length as SR2, but is much wider and bulkier).
Anonymous No.723487526 [Report] >>723487773
>>723485926
didn't normandy have stealth systems which stored all emissions and heat in some sort of tank/exchange? surely that takes up a huge amount of space
Anonymous No.723487683 [Report] >>723488402
>>723469810 (OP)
It's the same game series right?

Retard, that's like saying ferrari copied itself because the new one looks kind of like the old one. What a retarded statement.
Anonymous No.723487697 [Report]
>>723485165
>Kadara is a copy of Omega, but worse
>Remnants are a copy of the Protheans, but worse
>Archon is a copy of Harbinger but worse
>Benefactor is a copy of TIM, but worse
Anonymous No.723487773 [Report] >>723488616
>>723487438
>>723487526
That's not an issue, the overall placement of the rooms is all out of whack. I'm currently replaying the trilogy so the issue is much more obvious to me, but the front of the Normandy should be much more front-loaded than it is currently.
Also a bonus pic of the "shuttle" ship that you can see in the previous pic.
Anonymous No.723487896 [Report]
>>723472029
Removes caps from bottles
Anonymous No.723488143 [Report] >>723489034 >>723489669
>>723485165
>mass effect fields are a copy of the force
>normandy is a copy of the ebon hawk
>tali is a copy of mission
>wrex is a copy of zaalbar
>omega is a copy of nar shadar
>the citadel is a copy of telos station
>kaidan is a copy of carth
>femshep is a copy of bastila
Anonymous No.723488402 [Report]
>>723487683
See >>723485165
Imbecile
Anonymous No.723488616 [Report] >>723492778
>>723487773
>Out of whack
Ok, how? Is there any reason to believe they aren't offset with a diagonal-moving lift? My last playthrough was a year ago and I honestly tried to spend as little time as possible in the Normandy save for giving Tali the space clap.
Anonymous No.723489034 [Report] >>723489582 >>723498897
>>723488143
>normandy is a copy of the ebon hawk
How, the comparison like in OP's pic in general shape and color scheme isn't even there. For fuck's sake they even gave the Tempest the Normandy's engine 1:1
Anonymous No.723489582 [Report] >>723491347
>>723489034
>base hub for you and your companions
>rest point after missions where you can upgrade and improve your loadout and customise your companions
>has a galaxy map
Anonymous No.723489669 [Report] >>723490489 >>723498719
>>723488143
speaking of KOTOR, why was mass effect so weak on droids/robots? there were none in ME1 and in ME2 there were just basic droids for fights
I guess we got EDI but she doesn't really count imo
Anonymous No.723490489 [Report]
>>723489669
Humans developed medigel prior to becoming a council species and they bent over backwards to get it past AI restrictions. Anything that was combat capable was so lobotomised it likely wasn't worth it.
Anonymous No.723491149 [Report]
>>723469810 (OP)
>mass effect fags complaining about stealing when bioware stole everything in mass effect from better stuff

lol
Anonymous No.723491347 [Report]
>>723489582
Still haven't argued how the point holds water comparatively with OP's
Anonymous No.723492778 [Report] >>723493286
>>723488616
>Ok, how?
The interior of the Normandy is bigger than what the ship would allow. I really don't know how else I can explain this to you aside from ripping the room layout directly from ME2/3 and then trying to place it in the contours of the ship. Picrel is some dude's unsuccessful attempt to recreate the layout of the Normandy while keeping the contour of the ship intact.
Anonymous No.723493286 [Report]
>>723485926
>>723492778
These look vastly different and still both fit?
Anonymous No.723495532 [Report]
>>723479010
nta but as far as I'm concerned, it's not a problem for me to consider the whole (or the majority) of ME lore as dumb sci-fi nonsense. your move, nigger
Anonymous No.723495760 [Report] >>723497485
>>723469906
>They made the Penis ship a lot flatter
>NOOOO THEY DIDN'T COPY COMMANDER SHEPARD'S FAVORITE SHIP IN ALL THE CITADEL!
Ok, blind-man.
Anonymous No.723497485 [Report]
>>723495760
t. flat penis bigot
Anonymous No.723498109 [Report] >>723498603 >>723499126
Andromeda is better than 3

it took elements from the trilogy and actually made them good and fun to play (gunplay, exploration, skills) and despite the shitty face animations actually looks good with textures and lighting and not generic washed out UE3 slop

it has many flaws, mainly the writing and dialogue, which to be fair is a massive reason why you play mass effect games to begin with, but the background plot elements with the remnant and kett, their origins etc were interesting enough

i'd equate it to the force awakens of mass effect, not great, but okay

also vetra best girl fuck you talifags
Anonymous No.723498409 [Report]
>723498109 (You)
No
Anonymous No.723498603 [Report]
>>723498109
I'd be inclined to agree desu, if Andromeda was a finished, polished, working game. But it's not, not even close. It's an amateur work in most aspects.
Vetra is super basic and whatever btw. You only like her because you are lonely and she is sole interactable female turian in the series.
Anonymous No.723498719 [Report]
>>723489669
Same reason why there are so few vehicles, too much effort to model them all in. Alliance military uses drones of all sorts, yet you never get to use any except for a tiny hover drone.
Anonymous No.723498897 [Report] >>723499307
>>723489034
>For fuck's sake they even gave the Tempest the Normandy's engine 1:1
All Alliance ships have similar engines, human spaceships were modeled after Normandy.
Anonymous No.723498976 [Report] >>723499742 >>723500135
Tempest hates its crew

You only get one tiny pantry that a krogan can't fit in

There are ladders and holes that you can easily fall from

There are no bunks/bed for the crew, the only one who gets a real bed is Ryder (who has a stupidly large room), Vetra; even Jaal and Liam only get hammocks while the gay engineer sleeps on a sleeping bag

Toilets are universal unlike in the Normandy where EDI will shit on you if you go to the wrong restroom; even far worse there are no showers

Salarian design my ass, humans and turians can build proper ships
Anonymous No.723499126 [Report]
>>723498109
>took elements from the trilogy and actually made them good and fun to play (gunplay, exploration, skills)
*laughs in >>723473050*
Anonymous No.723499307 [Report] >>723500206
>>723498897
>human spaceships were modeled after the one of a kind top of the line secret prototype stealth frigate
Yeah, no. You've got the Ain Jalut and that's that.
Anonymous No.723499327 [Report]
Pic related was alright, at the very least memorable. Too verbose and too much useless worldbuilding. Volus parts were the most fun. Author has a guro vore fetish, but I guess it should not be that surprising. Humanity is leaning into more of a fuck yeah territory, almost no big fuck ups on their part..
Anonymous No.723499742 [Report]
>>723498976
Dalatrass keikaku doori!
>You only get one tiny pantry that a krogan can't fit in
Dab on just in case (bonus points for historical references to one sultan, metaphorized)
>There are ladders and holes that you can easily fall from
Good!
>There are no bunks/bed for the crew, the only one who gets a real bed is Ryder (who has a stupidly large room)
Yes, increasing the chance of crew revolt!
>Vetra; even Jaal and Liam only get hammocks
Too expensive, but it'll have to do.
>while the gay engineer sleeps on a sleeping bag
surely he'll sabotage it
>Toilets are universal unlike in the Normandy where EDI will shit on you if you go to the wrong restroom; even far worse there are no showers
nothing like ruining team cohesion by letting women in the military
>Salarian design my ass
A bully never gets help when they need it the most, Commander!
Anonymous No.723500135 [Report] >>723500206
>>723498976
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Anonymous No.723500206 [Report]
>>723500135
>>723499307
Missed.