Thread 723527183

>gold is fucking worthless
I never understood this. Why isn't gold the strongest and most powerful?

It's soft as shit dumbass

this is a stupid fucking thread so im going to take this time to say i think the ape escape games are overrated.

>>723527183 (OP)
Gold is great because it doesn't corrode and is soft enough to not be too hard to shape.

But alas, the eternal villager prefers emeralds.

>>723527183 (OP)
gold is the fastest tool
should of been obsidian but whatever

>>723527259
So's your fucking skull, but do I bring it up?

>>723527259
>He never interacted with gold in his life.
Gold is the toughest and heaviest metal in the universe that can punch trough solid steel with ease.
The only reason why gold wasn't used for weapons and armor is that it was too rare, expensive and heavy. If gold was as common as iron, every heavy duty tool or weapon owould have been made from it.

>>723527319
there's a really strange disconnect between mining and trading that feels like a missed opportunity
emerald ore is one of the rarest blocks in the game, so rare that it's more valuable as an unmined/silk touched ore than the resource you mine from it
gold is apparently only valuable to pigs in hell
every other ore has other uses that make them too valuable to trade away

>>723527183 (OP)
>Minecraft = Scientifically accurate gold
>Terraria= Biblically accurate gold

>>723527319
but they'll fork out emeralds for whatever nonsense loot you can farm twenty squares out of town. that said, i'm not trading an emerald for a bucket of goddamn fish

Gold either needs a huge buff or mining for materials needs a drastic change.
No, not adding more useless shit to caves.

>>723527486
>Gold is the toughest and heaviest metal in the universe
wrong and wrong
retard

>>723527486
Diamond is the toughest metal dumbass

>>723527486
>interacted with gold

>>723527183 (OP)
I like to use mending gold gear.

>>723527950
>diamond
>metal
>calling someone else a dumbass

>>723527950
diamonds are gems not metals you stupid fucking nigger

If diamonds so tough how come i can bash one in half with a hammie? fucking stupid americans

gold should have been for magic items

Why the fuck does neither gold nor copper have any application in redstone?

>>723527278
The first one is great but the second and third are just kinda bad imho.

>>723527950
good one

>>723527724
>>723527753
>>723527950
>>723527987
>Poorfags who have never touched gold in their lives.

>>723527950
Finally, a fellow oldfag on this god-forsaken board.

>>723527183 (OP)
What are you talking about? Gold is one of the strongest sets you can get at the start of the game, and depending on the difficulty you can use it all the way up to Skeletron. And even then, it's still used in a lot of other crafting recipes and potions even after you make better weapons/armor. You'd have to be playing some kind of autism simulator and not an actual game for gold to be useless.

>>723527183 (OP)
How do we fix Minecraft's progression?

>>723527950
legitimately feel like i've read this before somewhere

>>723528729
I know, let's add more side grades!

>>723527183 (OP)
It's a funny simple joke, that unironically makes people think.

It's shit because it's realistic, it would be a terrible material for weapons and armor.
it's a joke, because why let you craft it at all? You're gonna have superior iron before it anyway, it's there so you can craft it and look a bit dumb for falling for the jest, and in turn maybe learn a thing about material sciences in turn.

It's given somewhat of a place due to the nether and enchantments(but not really), but really it didn't need to have a place, it could've remained entirely a joke and for aesthetics, but that's too complicated for modern game devs.

>>723528729
Making gold as rare as diamond, only being found in the nether or in cave set pieces like mineshafts and mobspawns.

Gold is worthless in real life, the only reason people value it so much is because jews.

>>723527560
I can’t believe to this day how severely Notch underdelivered on
>There will be procgen NPCs that you can trade with!
>They’ll send you on quests!
>It’s going to be like a first-person version of Dwarf Fortress’s adventure mode!

>>723528270
There's powered rails, but you're right.
Gold and Copper would make such a perfect fit for redstone stuff.
Guess the problem is that Redstone already fill the role of copper wire.

>>723527950
the question continues to go unanswered

>>723527183 (OP)
Gold has never been valued for making tools and weapons. Humans have always liked the way it looked and it's rare but it was never valued for it's usefulness

I haven't played Minecraft in a few years
Is there a new material beyond diamond now?

>>723528729
Don't.
Every update makes it worse.
It's not a progression focused game, end game is a farce.
It's already the best selling game on the planet, trying to codify its progression into something more similar to other games that are bland and less successful is retarded.

>>723527259
diamond's not a particularly great material, either

>>723529129
Car drives up the wall, wall remains in place.
Real recognizes real.

>>723528729
remove progression

>>723529081
>>It’s going to be like a first-person version of Dwarf Fortress’s adventure mode!

a shame notch was such a lazy fuck
1.0 and the micropenis sale was really the point when it was over
there was no space for actually continuing the game, just endless bloat attached to the stone-iron-diamond progression from all the way back in indev

>>723527950
>>723528503
why are you still here

>>723527183 (OP)
Its only useful in chemistry and electrical stuff which minecraft lacks.

>>723529164
Yeah.

>>723527183 (OP)
for a sec I thought I was on /biz/ and I was about to call you a glownigger

>>723529261
the rest of the internet is unusable

>>723529261
forgot pic

>>723528503
>anon says something retarded
>"heh actually i was just referencing an oldfag meemee, it's very exclusive you wouldnt get it"
tired of this trope

it looks cool

>>723528729
Add steel.

>>723529358
it's entirely your fault for not lurking enough

>>723529474
why the fuck would i spend the past 20 years lurking /v/ of all boards? this place is not that interesting. you should be ashamed

>>723529358
>i'm tired of being reminded i'm a newfag
Don't worry, kiddo. We were all there once.

>>723529552
>this place is not that interesting
Oh man I'm sure the rest of the internet is so much better! Because surely you'd be there and not here if it was so great out there.
>he thinks this happened on /v/
kek!

>>723528934
what are you, gay? The real answer is adding more decorative blocks and shitty flowers
>>723528729
as meh as copper is progression-wise, it is nice to have a metal block that isn't prohibitively expensive to decorate with (though its fairly easy to make an iron farm)

>>723527183 (OP)
Always believe in your soul. You've got the power to know you're indestructible.

>>723529652
>reading comprehension
also nigger ive probably been on 4chan longer than you and i dont say that as a point of pride just a fact

>>723528729
We should add Tin so we can make Bronze and bridge the gap between Iron and Copper

>>723529552
It wasn't /b/ newfag.

>>723529353
>1 gram of diamond weighs something like 15 grams
oh das gold

>>723529908
Tin itself should be worse than Copper, but by such a negligible degree that only an autist could notice that it isn't a direct sidegrade

Notch was a visionary

why the fuck does everything in minecraft feel so useless? i never even bothered with redstone

>>723529889
Maybe, because I know there are people from 2006 and earlier that still post. But I'm still going to laugh at you for thinking other websites are better.

>>723530082
guys I think we may have just fixed minecraft

>>723529908
yeeeessss, maybe they could also give the blast furnace another use besides being an objectively better furnace?

>>723530127
I unironically think so.
Lazy visionary sadly.

I think Minecraft would be better if he didn't sell, and he'd be happier.
He needed someone to keep him motivated to work a bit more though.

>>723530176
i never said other websites you braindead nigger i said other boards

>>723530142
Redstone is everything for some people.
I never bother much with it, but I like that it's there in the world.

>>723529164
There's netherite, but it's technically more of an upgrade to diamond than a full blown new tier. You make netherite gear by upgrading diamond gear with a smithing template instead of how it's done for other ores.

>>723527183 (OP)
in Mo' Creatures it was necessary for making weapons/armor that'd help you fight Werewolves.
But the game took a weird direction after 1.0 and Mojang hired the Mo' Creatures modder to slowly re-release shittier versions of his animals into vanilla over a 15 year period.

Something about the gold pickaxe genuinely makes me think Notch is the greatest game designer to ever live. I can't articulate it because it's obviously beyond my intellectual ability.

>>723530639
Netherite being made of ancient nether fossil remains is cool as fuck and makes it one of the cool things nu-minecraft adds

>>723530841
>waits update for a year
>it's just a useless ambient mob, one new decoration and a couple blocks

>>723527560
>spend emerald on bucket of fish
>or 3 iron on an empty bucket
unless you're a farmfag, the emerald is much cheaper

>>723527183 (OP)
What game?

>>723527183 (OP)
In some retromods it usually ends up having silk-touch because enchantments don't exist in those versions.

>>723531881
duke nukem

>>723527183 (OP)
Because it's still mid-tier as far as video games go, there's going to be something like platinum (more valuable than gold IRL), mythril, iridium, or something along those lines

>>723531881
Terraria

>>723531445
>overworld is still just zombies, skeletons, and creepers with the occasional enderman or witch
>this hasn't changed in 15 years except for the phantom which is so reviled that 99% of players turn it off in the settings
>all the new hostile mobs are biome specific and pointless to game progression, by the time you even find them you'll likely have enchanted iron or diamond

>>723529345
>The results were inconclusive.

>>723527950
Based oldfag

>>723527486
> Heaviest
Gold is notably heavy, but not the heaviest element.
>Toughest
Lol.
Lmao.
Good job outing yourself as a poorfag that has never handled the stuff.

>>723527183 (OP)
what retard designer even puts shit like this in a game? like do some basic research nigga this doesn't require PhysX to figure out

>>723531881
Castle Miner Z

>>723531631
>cheaper
Not in terms of my enjoyment. If I was into capitalism I'd get a job.

>>723527950
great bait and reference, ty.

>>723527950
The diamond meme is also a lie. Diamonds can shatter like fucking glass if they fall the wrong way

>>723527278
This but Katamary Damacy.

>>723527950
Wow
What a retard

>>723529057
Fiat is also worthless, but here you are hoarding it and believing a piece of paper is worth a lot of bread

>>723530142
redstone is the ultimate decorative block. It's not integral to progression, has its own learning curve, and can be used to make elaborate mechanisms with little utility
>>723533187
my fag friend keeps talking about how great it is and it seems to just be a quirky 2000s jap relic with awkward controls. Probably would've been cool 2 decades ago if you locked me in my bedroom with nothing but parappa and bully for a summer

>>723532576
I wish they did the terraria route

then if people complained they could just play the classic and beta versions

>>723527486
based don't let them hide the truth

>>723530006
no iz diamond

Is this the new thread for egotists who would rather die a trillion times than admit to being wrong about anything?

Why do you still care about vanilla minecraft?

>>723534241
Because most mods amount to scraping their wiki pages for guides on how to do anything, followed by hours of pointless busywork only to find that one of the mods completely broke and now you get to spend hours troubleshooting what went wrong.

>>723527950
Diamond is a mineral.

>>723534572
WRONG. Diamond is a metal because I say it is and I can't be wrong about anything ever.

>>723534521
This is why you make your own modpack and add mods one at a time and see what the conflicts are.

>>723533213
No, I'm hoarding resources. Things that have inherent value such as food, fuel, and shelter.
Without that you will die. Gold will not save you.

>>723527486
How dangerous would be a Katana made of gold?

>>723535780
Any sword made of solid gold would be too heavy to swing properly and too soft to cut anything. If you really want the aesthetics then just use gold plating.

>>723535780
As dangerous as a katana made out of tin foil

>>723533495
>little utility
anon, I......

>>723528729
Remove diamond gear. Maybe leave the pickaxe to mine obsidian, but nerf its durability.

>>723527950
>>723527486
golden bait

>>723536116
i'm sure the extremely efficient and elegant automated farm that can produce 154 Waxed Weathered Copper Golem Statues per minute has much utility outside of megabuilds

>>723527950
we have netherite now old man

>>723535780
It can split the atoms in the air as it swings, causing each slash to be wreathed in nuclear flame. Only one samurai in the world has the skill to wield it without burning himself.

>>723528729
You could revamp iron processing in general (so it isn't just smelting the ores mined with stone pickaxe in a 8 cobblestone furnace) but it would be far too different from the vanilla feel.

>>723536284
This is the thing I hate about Minecraft progression second only to its structure: its scalability. There's this massive gulf between
>amount of materials the average player needs to actually progress
and
>amount of materials needed to build chunk-spanning mega-farms that produce 1,000,000 tons of beeswax and cum to lubricate your next chunk-spanning mega-farm that produces gold so you never have to mine again
You're trapped between these two extremes. If you neglect farming stuff, it's not uncommon to realize you need this or that ingredient that's only in one biome (which takes hours to locate). If you decide to bite the farming bullet, you end up needing absurd amounts of raw materials to build megastructures that are without fail aesthetically unpleasing because they're cobbled together from ice, rubber bands, honey, and pig shit.

Minecraft is just a giant leaning tower of poor design decisions that coasts by on how good its basic premise is. I'm revisiting vanilla for the first time in years (after mostly playing modded servers with friends for the past few years) and it's wild just how asinine every new addition they've added in that time is, and how each one does absolutely nothing to rectify the issues with progression.

>>723527486
this, so much this

>>723537360
there are farms designed to be cheap and quick to build if you look for that kind of thing

>make the textures more washed out and muddier and add more ugly muddy shit blocks and brown people BLM nonsense so you don't even wanna look at the game anymore
Why would they do this?

Guys Trump is a pedo

>>723527486
This post is correct. Ignore all other posts.

>>723529741
>what are you, gay? The real answer is adding more decorative blocks and shitty flowers
unironically yes, as an unfathomably large part of Minecraft is creativity and having more blocks lets you express your creativity in different ways. Though I'd rather they go back to some of the roots and let you place sideways "stairs", let water be put in the gaps in stairs, add half grass blocks, let chains bisect with each other laterally (in a + sign), etc. things like chains, candles and flower pots were amazing changes. it does nothing for utilitarian gameplay but these items look phenomenal.

also, the firefly bush added an unlimited amount of fucking SOVL to the game. absolutely love it.

>>723531881
[wrong answer to fit in with the Reddit™ meme]

>>723535780
it could probably cut through solid steel depending on how cool the wielder's hair looks

>>723528729
Most people do not get full iron in 20 minutes or full diamond in 1 hour. Minecraft's progression isn't actually busted or unappealing. Even wood, which you can very easily argue as the worst tool, has value for new players as a tutorial and starting point. A lot of people try to view the game as a series of numbers and logic puzzles, which I think misses the original appeal of the game. Although I will say that copper does feel redundant in how it was slapped into the game years later. Redstone, lapis, and emeralds were not completely perfect on launch either, but those are a lot, lot better because they are not tied to tools and they show that ore has other uses. Also because they're rarer.

>>723530006
But diamonds are weighed in karats

>>723528089
>>723528113
>>723533190
>>723534572
How new are you fucking zoomers. God damn.

>>723531445
>install Mo' Creatures for Beta 1.7.3
>adds twice as many mobs as the vanilla game has now
>half of them have unique drops or game mechanics.
>birds fly from tree to tree realistically
>sharks eat anything that falls into the water

Walking home today, some fucker bumped into me and instantly started talking shit about aluminum being the best metal. I tried to remain calm and explain to him that iron was actually the best metal, but he wouldn't take a hint. He started throwing around words like "rust" and I lost it. Punched him right in his aluminum loving fucking face.

I hate aluminum so goddamn much.

>>723527486
>>723527950

>>723527183 (OP)
gold isn't worthless, I'm always using gold for rails
copper was completely shit, but now it's better thanks to the copper update

>>723528729
look, if you are a miser like me, you will probably get iron armor and mostly copper tools with a side iron pick
I prefer to save my iron for more useful stuff rather than tools until I get a diamond fortune pick

>>723532996
Well if you ever touchedgold, you should know that it is hard enough that a gold nail can punch a hole trough a heavy steel sheet.

>>723542157
this board isn't cultured enough to screencap this. but I will for longevity's sake. this post is art.

Haven't played Minecraft in ages, can anyone give me some qrds?
>Bedrock vs Java
I was playing Java and messing around to install shaders and shit but apparantly Bedrock has built in shaders nowadays? Are they any good and good enough of a reason to play bedrock over Java? Or does bedrock have some serious problems and shit, I never played it
>texturepacks
What is the best, most tasteful texturepack for the latest version of minecraft? I tried Faithful 32x but its outdated and the 64x version is so high res that it starts to look weird in such a blocky game
>what do I do
Seriously I built a crappy little house and I'm already at the point where I feel like what is the point of this game and what do I do now. I have a home base now but I can't explore and get too far away from it too because I'll lose it and I have too much shit to take with me to a new base miles away, is there like new items/gameplay and shit that makes all of this make a bit more sense?

>>723542157
original or pasta? feels like a post from ages ago

>>723527486
based classic troll

bump

>>723527434
Nobody here is claiming that skulls should be the best material.

>>723542383
>come into the nether with 9999 beds

>>723537360
I dislike the megafarms.
Especially when they produce stuff like iron and gold, so it becomes stupid to mine for them if you want a lot of it.
It's also so unimmersive to stick villagers into a pen so an iron golem spawns that your contraption kills, so you get iron.

>>723545147
Reasons to play bedrock:
>more fps
>crossplay
Reasons not to play bedrock:
>marketplace with fucking minecoins
>bugs out the ass
>shitty mobile controls where you have to CROUCH TO BLOCK with a shield
>no mods
>probably some other microdick jew cuckery I haven't seen yet

>>723530220
>>723529908
fun fact: Bronze was in many ways superior to wrenched Iron IRL and would have been the preferred material to make tools, weapons and armor out of deep into the iron-age, because it was easier to work with (could be casted), didn't corrode and oxidize as easily and was about equal, if not a little better, in toughness.. The only reason Iron took over is because tin was required to make Bronze, and tin was much rarer and more expensive than copper or iron, while iron was even more abundant than copper.

>>723527183 (OP)
why did they make emeralds the currency to trade with instead of gold?

>>723549273
yeah but graphics

>>723549923
1. gold is more fun to hoard, trading would diminish your hoard fuck piglins
2. rubies/emeralds for trading is a reference to zelda
3. more memorable

>>723529175
Diamond is the hardest metal

>>723527183 (OP)
In fantasy games gold and silver should be the magically conductive materials, being able to have much more powerful enchantments than things made from more conventional heavy-duty material. There could then be steel swords with gold coating for example, to have the magical power of gold and the toughness of steel in one weapon. Of course the gold coating would wear of pretty fast and have to be reapplied ever so often, making it very expensive to maintain such a weapon. Gems, like diamonds, would be able to carry even more magical power, and be slotted into gear.
In the endgame, through very complicated and obtuse alchemical processes requiring rare materials and esotheric rituals, you would be able to make fantasy-metals like mithril or adamant, which are stronger then steel, while also more magically powerful than gold. Mithril would be just as strong as steel and gold, but very light-weight like cloth, whereas adamant would be the most powerful in all aspects but even heavier than steel, making it impractiable as an armor, unless the wearer makes himself stronger than a human through magic/is already stronger than a human by nature.

>>723527950
>all these newfags
Embarrassing

Behold
The heaviest metal known to man

I kinda want to play on a world I upgrade through the versions a bit.
instead of just travelling through different new biomes, I could have an island of old terrain, might be neat.

Especially if there was a mod for large oceans that align with the old generations, so I could have a starting continent of 1.6 terrain, then upgrade version and other continents would be new.

>>723550387
If I made a hacky modpack for my own amusement I'd add silver that is slightly weaker than iron for weapons, but with higher enchantability and maybe Silver Swords can have sharpness stack with smite or bane of arthropods.

>>723550849
Silver naturally has smite, it is a holy metal after all

>>723551038
yeah that would work well

Does anyone give a fuck about netherite? It's been 6 years since it got added and diamonds are still used for marketing

>>723551203
Not really.
It's visually so muted it sucks for marketing.
The name is great, since it's specific to minecraft, but that's not enough.

>>723527183 (OP)
I always make a gold crown and use it even if I have enough diamonds
I like the way it looks

>>723527950
Wrong

>>723551295
best use of armor trim imo
chainmail helm+gold armor trim

>>723551319
>Dragonforce
>metal

>>723551319
diamond melted into the shape of bullets would pierce that easily

is pic related any good?

>>723551319
>Dragonforce
>hardest metal

>>723527183 (OP)
>jewish gamer gets his immersion broken

>>723527528
>gold is apparently only valuable to pigs in hell
Based Notch with the social commentary

How to fix Minecraft:
>Remove Shulker Boxes
>Remove Ender Chests
>Lower inventory size by 9
>chests can't open if the top of them is covered again

>>723554237
No
Fuck off

>>723554292
itty bitty baby

>>723554237
mean as bait, but it would unironically make minecraft a better game for everyone who isn't a minecraft youtuber doing their epic mega builds

>>723550251
Diamonds are hard to cut/scratch but they're not actually that hard to break. Did you never stop and think why they never made armor or weapons out of diamonds in real life?

>>723527950
all the newfags tou baited
based

diamond is not a mineral. it is made of vegetal residue

wot if they made an axe out of feathers

>>723554539
I think pic related is more of your speed than minecraft. It's also ass btw

>>723554969
not the hardest metal

>>723555057
based retard

no amount of autisming over progression changes the fact that the dragon can be beaten unarmored with fucking beds and the wither can be easily trapped for an autokill or spawned underground where he loses the dps race
minecraft just isn't a good game if you try to take the gameplay seriously

>>723528729
Minecraft is like 1000 years old in the alphoomer timescale. Don't change it. Let it sit like a great monolith to ancient culture.

>>723527486
Miss the days when this kind of shit was the norm, now its just psyop bait meant to be SUPERCEREAL

I miss the funny

>>723527278
Kys

>>723555748
I wish more games would just try to reach a finished state, and then move on to making a sequel if they wanna experiment so much.

>>723528729
The point of Minecraft was never to play for the progression, it's not a problem. In the meme itself it's written 1+ hour of gameplay is enough to reach diamond, then enjoy 10 hours later getting netherite stuff which is just an endgame upgrade that's not needed for any progression

>>723529081
fuck, the original halloween update didn't even properly meet half it's goals. remember torches were supposed to be temporary and you had to make lanterns?

>>723554476
I don't believe you

>>723550664
giant empty oceans were pure ass dude don't pretend that stuff is nostalgic

Minecraft is really fascinating played entirely played.
Been jumping around in a truly blind lets play series, he's figuring shit out based on what is in the game, and the achievements.
There's another one I wanna watch later that did the same thing in an earlier version.

So many things I take for granted, like I played minecraft first in 2010, and when I was trying to make a pickaxe I asked how, and then I said my crafting window was too small, and I was told how to make a crafting table. Later I instinctively just google and used the wiki, so seeing someone with really no help other than in game stuff is so cool and it looks like a genuine adventure, and figuring out alchemy and redstone looks like real wizard type shit.

>>723555817
Minecraft was done at 1.7.3. Everything after should have been an ambitious Minecraft 2.

>>723556086
oceans are cool anon

>>723527950
So many newfags on my board ;_;

Still waiting.

>>723527486
Based and goldpilled

>>723527950
retard. that'd be coal since diamonds is made out of coal.

>>723529057
It's good for electricity tho

>>723550640
The hardest metal known to man

>>723529261
Just to suffer

>>723531881
Dickbutt.
Bend over.

>>723556154
What are the big updates that changed minecraft in some fundamental way?
Is there a dividing update before 1.7.3?
>Beta 1.7.3
Last Before Hunger
>Beta 1.8, Adventure Update
Hunger
>1.5.2, Redstone Update
Last Before Horse
>1.6.1, Horse Update
Horse
>1.8.9, Bountiful Update
Last Before Elytra
>1.9, Combat Update
Elytra


I think those are the major updates.
There's like a thing in the Aquatic Update that I think is a big change, but in the context of a post elytra game it doesn't really matter much.
Simply modding out Elytra, Horse is a lot easier than playing modern minecraft and just modding out Hunger, you'd have to also change food and stacks to get close to 1.7.3 feel.
Maybe there's a greater cutoff between villager mechanics too though.

>>723555919
>want to use nether for fast travel purposes
>in the year of our lord 2025 and you still have to put nether portals absurdly far away from one another or they link up in this stupid fucking way
absolutely fucking retarded.

>>723557980
>in the year of our lord 2025 and you still have to put nether portals absurdly far away from one another or they link up in this stupid fucking way
Just build them in the corresponding coordinates in the nether and you'll be fine

>>723555919
>remember torches were supposed to be temporary and you had to make lanterns?
It would remove a convenience for the players, and they would never have accepted that.
Playoids are spoiled and can never accept a decrease in power or "convenience".

>>723554690
Shut up big gold shill

Are there any good vehicle mods, like airships, bigger boats, bigger trains?

I fear they'll all be way overtuned, but could be comfy.

In most games gold gear is implied to be high quality alloys mixed with gold, like real-life jewelry.
In Minecraft it's litteral gold.

>>723527434
>skull
>soft
Brittle is the word. And gold is not brittle, cast iron is brittle. You fucking cauldronheaded nog

>>723558651
Gold plated good equipment maybe, because why would you gold plate bad equipment?

>>723529345
fucking lmao

>>723550640
Even the most pleb-tier death metal (Like Amon Amarth, Cattle Decapitation, Death ect.) is like 150% heavier than that.

>>723527486
>Gold is the toughest and heaviest metal in the universe that can punch trough solid steel with ease.
hahahahhahaahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahhahhahha
hahahah
opffffff
hahahahahah
this niga ha.. hhafg
dhdfghsdfg

I love minecraft

>>723529908
>>723529432

>>723527183 (OP)
It's accurate to how weak it is in real life.

>>723527337
But THIS, yes. Unnecessary concession.

>>723527486
KEK
I wish more bait was like this.

>>723529345
Serious question, is this why notch made diamond the strongest material?

>>723562328
Why the fuck did you make iron slightly weaker to compensate when it should be a middle ground between iron and diamond.
>"How do we fix status quo"
>suggestion
>"Good suggestion but i made your suggestion fit the status quo."
Fuck you.

>>723564340
Just a quick fix to save minecraft

>>723562328
need zinc for brass, so zinc armor to bridge the gap between leather and tin might be nice

>>723527278
I'll take this time to disagree. Except Million Monkeys. Fuck Million Monkeys.

>>723558819
Not gold plated but good steel with gold engravings, like ceremonial armor.
Afaik gold plating is done with electrolysis and was invented around Napoleon's time.

>>723562328
>>723564340
yeah i don't get it either, steel in mods is sometimes stronger than diamond even, but with trade offs. like in that one medieval armor mod you get really strong armor but slowness and other debuffs depending on the amount of steel pieces on you.

Fun fact diamond is hard but also brittle, so while you can't cut through it it should break like glass when hit with a hammer.
The ultimate armor would be made out of some obscure material like tungsten or whatever they use on tanks these days.

>>723565620
What's another material you'd add?

>>723531881
Minecraft.

Is Vintage Story good?

>>723567096
yes, it actually does the ore progression pretty well.

>>723567096
If you really like the homesteading and enjoy the comfy husbandry aspects of minecraft while wanting progression that's slower than "iron within 10 minutes" then it's great.
If you think that needing to smith your tools instead of just crafting them with ingots and sticks straight up on a crafting table is retarded then you will not like it.

>>723549778
Yeah I know, I played Dawn of Man too

>>723527259
Oh like you could mine stone with a fucking wooden pickaxe or punch apart a tree with your bare hands, this is a retarded line to draw and I do blame notch for it

>>723539475
why do they use a fucking vegetable as a weight unit?

>>723550640
SO FAR AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
WE WAIT FOR THE DAYYYYYYAAAAYYYYYYYY

>>723527259
diamonds are not a strong material for weapons. obsidian is actually extremely brittle and is only really useful for precision surgical equipment.
if they would just up the durability of gold it would fix so much bullshit with the game, but they cant because gold has cultural relevance in the community as the "meme gear" so it can never change.

>>723544859
>>723545218
Ancient pasta. People still reference it a lot these days in Mistborn memes because aluminum has anti-magic properties in those books.

>>723527486
this

>>723567971
Karat measures gold seconds

>>723567971
Knowledge is knowing that diamonds are made of carrots. Wisdom is not putting diamonds in a fruit salad.

- Abraham Lincoln

>>723527486
How did so many retards fall for this?

>>723527434
Skulls aren't soft but the spots on your head i used to press on when you were a little baby sure were

>>723542383
Minecraft is such a horrible fucking game, how the fuck did it ever become popular? The balance and progression is so fucking shit.

>>723551517
Seems good to me. I mean, it's clear what the picture is and all that
Why? Are you taking a photographing class?

>>723567096
Only if you like TFC.

>>723531881
darude - sandstorm

>>723527486
Goblin hands typed this post

>>723555889
Disingenuous post. This is an American katana. Its steel was only folded 9,999 times which significantly reduces its power.

>>723542383
This is only an """"issue"""" if you're playing singleplayer, where you can get a full set of Iron armor within 10 minutes and enough Diamonds for at least 1 armor piece and a pickaxe within 30.

Copper equipment are a lot more meaningful if you're in a private multiplayer server and you have up to 10 different assholes draining all of the resources in the worldborder. Yes, I joined the server 30 minutes later than the others. No, I'm not getting any Iron because those assholes instantly started hoarding it.

>>723571245
can't you move into new chunks and mine there? If the server just started that shouldn't be that big of a problem no?

>>723567096
Imagine early game STALKER but you need to chip at a rock before you can make a knife

>>723571245
How populates does a server need to be for this to matter now? You can just walk in a straight line far away, set your spawn point with a bed, and there should be plenty of untouched resources, right? But tbf I always enjoyed "living" near other players in a player-built town or shared base, otherwise you're just playing singleplayer online like modern MMOs.

>>723571425
We try to keep the world border relatively small so that people actually interact with oneanother instead of effectively doing singleplayer. But even with that aside, half of the players will obsessively mine out all of the resources they come across and leave nothing for anyone else. It makes you appreciate Copper tools a hell of a lot more under those circumstances.

>>723555889
Diet Coke is the strongest metal known to man. Harder than steel, harder than even brick

>>723566682
>What's another material you'd add?
i wouldn't. i think having it based on "ages" of materials is more than enough.
>stone => copper => bronze => steel/diamond => ???
i think minecraft's problem is that it almost completely lacks any sort of linearity with the progression. you could get iron within a few minutes of playing dig straight down and immediately get diamonds. i like how other games did it, like terraria, where the deeper you go or the farther you get from spawn, the higher the risk and reward for items is. obviously in terraria you can dig down for better materials but there are WAY more hazards to prevent you from just b-lining to the best materials, especially on higher difficulties like expert or master. minecraft is a sandbox first and an adventure rpg last. it's not nuanced enough that just changing one aspect is going to fix it.

>>723572113
diet soda makes my piss smell even worse than asparagus does

>>723535219
You are wrong because you are a frog poster

>>723552205
Notch didn't come up with that
he only came up with big-nosed traders who defend their villages with golems

>>723572174
>minecraft's problem is that it almost completely lacks any sort of linearity with the progression.
I actually think this is why minecraft is more fun. But I've played since the beta and tend to view it as a sandbox game with adventure elements tacked on later rather than an actual survival game. I enjoy being able to speedrun a diamond pick and get whatever materials I want. There's still tons to do in the game after that, like build a house, a farm, catch animals, explore the nether, set up a rail and portal network, etc. Having diamond just feels like early game to me.

>say 1+1=3
>modern /v/ gives you a billion earnest replies

>>723555889
That coke bottle was infused with nen.

I really don't understand why there are still so few mobs. If you aren't even going to bother actually adding interesting shit, why not add a bunch of variants to existing mobs or something? That way you can not only be lazy as shit but you can also get praised for it

>>723529129
whatever not-quite-as-hard material is holding both together will shatter, destroying both (but leaving the diamonds intact)

>>723573375
Minecraft could have never received an update from beta and it would probably still be one of the best-selling games of all time because

1. Nearly everyone plays the game for the sandbox block-building experience, at least initially, especially children.
2. The game has always been moddable and had tons of mods that add whatever enemies, progression, block types you could want.

They don't have tons of different mobs because the game doesn't need it to be a successful product, and keeping the base game light leaves lots of room for mods to expand the game into very different fresh experiences.

>>723542383
i've never crafted a netherite anything
>bro just go to this extremely rare biome thing to get the item th-
nothing else needs a special item to be crafted
>trust me bro it's easy you want to just farm 10,000 niggerillion blocks underneath lava
you lost me

>>723573926
>extremely rare biome
render distance 6cel detected

>>723573867
the problem with that is that Bedrock edition isn't capable of modding, which you could belittle but that's a separate conversation entirely. you can also argue that what's in the game currently easily justifies the $40 price tag and that they could just leave it as-is as free updates aren't expected from a business model perspective. but if they bar mods from Bedrock edition maybe they should update the game to include more stuff.

the fundamental issue is that Minecraft is all about passion and when Notch owned it, it was objectively a passion project. being owned by a big corpo like Microsoft is the antithesis for what Minecraft is supposed to be all about. that's why some dude in his basement can make a mod that basically changes the game entirely by adding all kinds of crazy new items and gameplay loops, and more importantly he can do it for FREE. nu-Mojang with all of their employees and basically infinite money crank out a patch that adds like 3 new mobs and some otherwise minor shit like once a year, if that.

the passion is throttled on purpose because...don't want to overfeed the fishes, I guess? i wouldn't ever understand how corporations like that work. maybe there's so much red tape and design-by-committee to pass that obstructs them from releasing content at a faster interval but maybe that's being too generous.

>>723559742
Ok but how hard are they to play on guitar hero

>>723573926
actually lost my shit reading this. i think they changed how netherite upgrading worked at some point because i made a netherite armor set for an item rack and i have no recollection of having those upgrade slabs. just needed a diamond whatever and the netherite ingots on a smithing table.

They should have made it so all tools have a debuff in the nether except for gold, forcing you to enchant gold tools to make them last longer.

>>723567316
Even though right now steel is just kinda there

>>723572517
>There's still tons to do in the game after that, like build a house, a farm, catch animals, explore the nether, set up a rail and portal network, etc. Having diamond just feels like early game to me.
that's actually a good point and reminded me of one main differences i had forgotten about between minecraft and other games, which was durability. if you want to start doing any large projects you pretty much NEED diamond or else you're going to be getting into the loop of needing more tools and materials for those tools. so having diamond early gives you a huge productivity boost all around and is just an overall better investment than anything else.

>I actually think this is why minecraft is more fun
honestly, i agree

>>723528729
This is a solved problem, progression gates. Just make it so you need to raid a hard dungeon at the end of a tool tier (like ancient city or ocean monument) to get a key item that allows you to craft with the next tier of materials. Align it with different game stages, like how you need potion crafting to effectively raid an ocean monument, so it's mid-late game (post-nether). Also gate certain areas of the game, like making deepslate impossible to mine without iron tools.
Combine that with catch-22 crafting recipes, like smooth stone being required to create a furnace, so you cannot smelt smooth stone without first finding or obtaining smooth stone. And you need to make an iron furnace with iron to smelt iron. etc.

>>723573926
>>723575119
Fuck they made Netherite even harder to make?
It was already disgustingly annoying to mine Ancient Debris.

>>723573926
You're supposed to mine it with TNT which is why it has blast resistance

>>723567096
Yes, but you'll definitely have to look up a guide before even creating your world so you have a rough idea what you want (e.g. don't make recipes class-specific if you're playing singleplayer, good water coverage to make boats useful etc).
Might be best to increase tool durability too. The smiting mechanic is really satisfying the first time but after several dozen times forging steel pickaxes it's getting a little tiresome.
Real annoying that there's no good way to copy chiseled blocks. They should add a powered machine that can do that with late game parts.

>>723575912
unrelated but now that you mention creeper farming i suddenly remember the times i've rolled sincerely shit seeds where i can't find a desert biome anywhere, or that time i spent days in the overworld, finally geared up for the nether, and when i got there i shit you not it was 100% basalt deltas. literally. 1x1 lava pitfalls everywhere. i went into creative and flew around, no nether fortress. 100% basalt deltas.

that is usually what kills this game completely for me for a very long time, finding out way too late i'm on a completely shit seed. like you spend days in a perfectly normal overworld forest, start exploring, and then find out you're surrounded by like 40,000 blocks of water or over 9000 hectares of the exact same forest biome or some boring shit like that.

>>723555889
>steelfags go silent after losing to diet coke

>>723567096
Depends what you like/hate about minecraft

>>723576470
Me when I enable Large Biomes

it's an easy fix but mojang is retarded.
all they have to do is give armor trims to tiers below diamond protective abilities. If you trim your iron armor, it should give you the same protection as diamond. It makes no sense to me why trims cost 7 diamonds to replicate; there's no incentive to add armor trims to your sub-diamond armors because you both never wear them and you will end up replacing them for diamond (and then netherite) so it's retarded. you give trims protection to armor and you fix part of the progress issue significantly

>>723549950
dunno, I can't play vanilla anymore due to how boring it is, plus java shaders are pretty good

>>723528729
move copper up to iron's spot, then move iron up to gold's generation level

>>723530220
If it takes you more than an hour to find diamonds, I am sorry to tell you that you're just bad at minecraft

>>723578090
Because forcing the player to use ugly armor trims to get bonuses is retarded

>>723528729
Copper is good for armor befofe you have diamonds and abundant iron, because you can just use more iron on pickaxes to get diamonds

>>723575384
that's actually a pretty interesting idea. would make them actually useful since nobody uses golden tools, and golden armor is literally just to not have piglins fuck with you

>>723569195
it was good when it had no balance and no progression and no story and was just wandering around in an empty wasteland building stuff
this was so good that all the subsequent years of making the game worse has still resulted in a playable game many people enjoy

>>723582326
What's interesting is Minecraft already has an abandoned skeleton of similar mechanics surrounding gold. For example a little known fact is that you have a much higher chance of getting high level enchantments on gold tools. From what I can gather the in-universe lore explanation seems to be that gold has innately magical properties, which would carry over to this change because it would explain why gold is uniquely suited to survive the nether.

>>723571245
sounds like the game is fundamentally not designed for multiplayer and you should find a better game

>>723581584
>Copper is good for armor befofe you have diamonds and abundant iron
yeah I feel like wearing copper armor will be standard for me.
I tend to be pretty stingy with diamonds and stick to iron as resting gear, even with a good amount of available diamonds, and with this change I might just lean more towards resting copper gear.

>>723527950
Diamond is not a metal, minecraft isnt real life kiddo

Reminder Mojang's official stance is that introducing any kind of meaningful progression to the game would be antithetical to Minecraft's design philosophy
Mojang wants the game to be bland and boring for all playstyles, so no content is locked behind other content, just in case the player is a female who wants to farm instead of killing monsters. Jeb actually admitted that even creepers go against minecraft's current design philosophy, and that the only reason they're in the game is because they are too classic and iconic to remove.

>>723583652
>Mojang wants the game to be bland and boring for all playstyles, so no content is locked behind other content
That's not true

>>723527278
Ape Escape is all about presentation, once you get used to that all it's left is shovelware

>>723527486
>>723527183 (OP)
This is how write good funny bait
There's no need to resort to political ragebait all the time

>>723583293
i can't tell if this is ironic or not

>>723575384
>>723582326
forcing people to use a specific material in a specific circumstance doesn't make it useful. it just makes it feel, well, forced. just look at gold armor and how you're forced to use it for piglin bartering. did that make gold armor more interesting or generally useful? no, it just mandated its use in a specific circumstance.

if you want to make gold useful you need to make it a useful addition to your day-to-day minecraft experience.

>>723587668
>did that make gold armor more interesting
Yeah it is pretty interesting going to the nether and everyone taking out their shiniest golden boots

>>723527486
zoomers btfo