Thread 723751065

retarded fandom aside, how do you feel about the game itself

the level design feels like it was designed around memorizing it for speedruns
just playing through the level normally feels awkward and you're constantly being stopped by every single piece of terrain; it doesn't flow very well unless, like previously stated, you have the layout memorized and can fly through everything

I only got through like 5 levels before dropping it

>>723751252
yeah honestly i don't find the gameplay all that fun because of that

Incredibly kino and I like that it can only be fully enjoyed at its max if you're going for P ranks. It filters brainlets like the above poster.

>>723751252
Did we play the same game? Levels are so smooth that they pratically play themselves. You can finish Wasteyard or Pig City with your eyes closed. There are some of them with annoying interruptions, mostly the ones in Vigilante's floor and Oh Shit! but if you only got through 5 you shouldn't have found any of them.

>>723751352
>game is bad unless you memorize it and dedicate 100+ hours to speedrunning it
sounds like a shit game

>>723752249
>game is bad because my brain is smooth
Weird flex but okay.

>>723751504
i think my dislike for the gameplay is mainly because of how Peppino moves and how the level design is built around that.

Idk if it's a hot take, but the way you move feels super restrictive

there are so many movements that feel sluggish to combo or take too much control away from the player

like for example, the piledriver move used to let you move horizontally while falling to adjust where you landed, which made it very dynamic and fun to combo. But in the final version of the game it just throws you straight down and locks you out of moving until it's done, which is super lame.

A ton of other moves and mechanics suffer from this, like yeah i'm MOVING fast, but the gameplay is not responsive enough to feel agile.

>>723751352
>it only gets good if you have no life and spend 50 hours practicing the same level over and over again

>>723752947
>he needs to practice five minute long levels for 50 hours
Sure is casualnigger hours in here.

its one of the great platformers. in the top 10.

>>723751065 (OP)
Game's good.

>>723751252
>the level design feels like it was designed around memorizing it for speedruns

But yeah, that.

>>723751065 (OP)
My 2023 GOTY, tons of replay value, great music, love the artstyle, too.
>>723752468
I do not know about the piledriver, but I know for a fact that the body slam can be controlled left-right if you press down and a direction at the same time (you can even bind a macro for it). Makes traversing downward far more fluid.

>>723751065 (OP)
I loved it. Got all P-ranks and Quick as Hell/Holy Shit with Peppino, then did it again after the Noise update. My only disappointment was that the 2-player mode wasn't really true co-op.
>>723752249
I know you're just meming, but my final playtime was 69 hours for both stories, and this is including doing completely optional challenges that probably accounted for 10-15 of those hours.

>>723751065 (OP)
Found it really fun, levels are smooth and you dont have to memorize the levels if you dont care about the Penis rank. The Noise update was pretty cool too, found many of the changes funny.

The speedrun like design is because of how much momentum the movement has, which makes it flow very well when you know what you're doing. But when you don't know what you're doing the high speed you can get and how much momentum jumps have and such don't make it less confusing if you're already confused.

I think it's a very high quality game, but I can understand why it frustrates some people and I definitely think it shouldn't be anyone's first platformer.

>>723751252
Yeah I feel like speedrun games work best if the levels are open/have multiple paths, I think that's why 2d sonic is fun the first time you play them

i would suggest you fucking niggers in the thread to play alpha beta pre release builds of the game. The movement and level design are at their peak in the final product, at least considering from mods that actually tend to lean toward mentioned above "designing for speedrunning" shtick and multiple laps and etc. at least that what i've seen.

Levels are designed well enough to get them first/second time if you understood the main gimmick.

>>723751065 (OP)
I think my favorite part of the game is that the levels were designed with just enough leeway to let you recover from mistakes. It took a really big fuck-up to ruin a P attempt to the point that a well-timed taunt couldn't get it back on track. Most games with a speedrunning slant demand you follow a script.

>retarded fandom
what fandom

play kira kira catgirl rampage

>>723756527
Catgirl maid is sexo but she lacks outfits at the moment

>>723756635
asking for alt outfits that aren't just recolors in a pizzatower-like is unreasonable given how many hundreds of sprites these characters have
that time could just be spent spriting a whole new character like the Noise

>>723756951
There is an empty tab called outfits, I too doubt the dev will redraw every sprite for these however I do think there might be presets. And at least the bigger sprites would be cool.

It was a lot of fun. The music was great, the boss fights are fun, I love the artstyle and the final boss really nails that "shit has hit the fan" climax you love to see in a game. Pepino as a character hits that same kind of thing Doomguy has going on that I really like. Normal dude motivated by so much stress and fear against overwhelming forces and dire circumstances, the pressure weighing so heavy that all those emotions are condensed into a blinding white-hot rage of pure performance. The enemies reflect this well when they shit themselves seeing you max charge them and later when Pepino just straight beats the living shit out of the bosses as the music swells.

It's one of my favorite character types and I'll always hate nu-doom for spitting on this by making you the big scary chozen one of legend by default.

>>723756527
This isn't another fan thing where the cool sexy tough character is also a futa, is it? I'm really tired of futafags feeling the need to slap a cock on any woman remotely cool or interesting.

>>723751065 (OP)
tried it because of the hype here
didnt like it and the graphics are a fever-dream, refunded

>>723751352
Kek, I love it when anons indirectly call out other anons. The site feels less botted.

>>723758331
Heh, yeah, it’s those little moments that remind you there’s still some real human chaos left on here. Gotta appreciate the subtle callouts — keeps the place feeling alive.

>>723751065 (OP)
I like the game and hate the fandom, you can tell theyre all children there

>>723751065 (OP)
GOTY 2023

>>723751352
This

>>723751065 (OP)
I enjoyed it enough to speedrun the 100% category. Got my enjoyment out of it, now I rarely touch it.

>>723751065 (OP)
It scratches the Wario World itch.

It was absolutely insane to watch the dev astroturf on /v/ until he had a heart attack.
RIP.

>>723762249
Didn't he also shoot a kid?

>>723762027
Satanic version

>>723757784
Pizza Tower is one of the few games to really have a good read on how the player feels and reacts to what is happening in the game. The animations, music and sound effects all work together and it is damn near perfect.

When you first enter a Lap 2, you are greeted with a loud siren and sheer confusion. You quickly figure out what is happening but then it dawns on you - the countdown didn't reset. Cue a frantic race to the finish.

The Death I Deserveoli perfectly caputues the progression:

>What the fuck is happening
>Oh shit, better get a move on
>There is no way I'm gonna make it
>...I'm gonna make it...
>I'm gonna make it
>OUT OF THE WAY, FUCKERS YOU CAN'T STOP ME NOW
>Oh shit, this is gonna be close
>I'M NOT GONNA MAKE IT

10 out if 10. It hits every time.

>>723751252
>>723751342
>>723753402
>>723754094
i managed to go fast, not get stopped and go over obstacles on reaction in my sole first playthrough. i never replayed again
i didnt even explore for all the secrets every level because i was sometimes too busy having fun rushing
have you guys tried being faster on the braincells?

>>723761838
2023? but it came out last year didn't it?

>>723751065 (OP)
I think it's a wonderful game. Never have I seen a movement system that was so fast, so powerful and had such a high skill ceiling and yet was so intuitive. It's incredible and the game's earned its praise and reputation.

And the music, jesus christ. It's an outrage it wasn't even nominated for a VGA, as bullshit as that ceremony is. It had everything.

>>723762716
>s to really have a good read on how the player feels and reacts to what is happening in the game.
unironically the best game ive seen for reactions is pic related, once you have played it a lot and can just freestyle the hardest levels

i usually score 250-330ms for unpredictable choice reaction for almost all sorts of games, but when i measured it, this game constantly has me scoring 160-230ms choice reactions against shit i have literally never even imagined before it showed up on my screen. almost every avid action game player i measured seems to react much faster than usual for this once theyre fully used to the full moveset

>>723762716
>The Death I Deserveoli perfectly caputues the progression
I think it's kind of the other way around. It's Pizza Time is that looming anxiety creeping in further and further, then you hit a Lap 2 and Deservioli comes in maintaining that high-tension but it's a controlled chaos. The player chose this and they're styling on the stage by doing it again.

>>723762972
As someone who sucks at Devil May Cry, I'm glad they made a version of that for above-average FPS players. Feels so good to play.

>>723762825
The game will be 3 years old in January.

>>723756527
I will try your game but only because you asked nicely

>>723751065 (OP)
It's great, but in all aspects, worse than Celeste.

>>723762027
That's my fetish

>>723751065 (OP)
My GOTY of 2023, its only competition being Pikmin 4. I don't know how it managed to stick the landing after spending so long in dev hell, but I'm glad it did.

>>723762876
It's rare to have developers who know how to appreciate a unique movement system.

>>723751065 (OP)
Was a pleasent suprise. Held off from playing it for several months for some reason. Noise dlc was peak.

>>723762249
is this true

>comes out
>play it and really enjoy it
>p-rank everything, 100% every aspect of the game
>put it down for ages
>switch port comes out
>pick it up
>can't get into it at all
>think it might be some weirdness on Switch, boot it up on PC
>same deal, just can't get into it or enjoy it
Weirdest shit I've experienced with a game. I'm the kind of person who replays shit he enjoys constantly.

>>723751065 (OP)
Game's excellent, might replay it before the year ends

>>723763371
>for above-average FPS players
something i like about it is that its for sort of everyone
it can be the one of the most brutal action games of all time, perhaps even the fastest paced character action game of all time*. but because of the earlier levels, you can also give it to a 10 year old and they will quite possibly be able to enjoy it even on the fast difficulties
*: pic related

also, why in gods name is fraud taking so long??

Wish there was less focus on tranny speed running on what could have been an amazing 10/10 game.

>>723756527
I don't understand the design of this game, the level design is set up for you to go fast but enemies take multiple hits and the gimmick is to try and clean as much as possible so you have to stop and clean things

Fucking love it. Played it for the first time recently, I can't believe I didn't play it earlier.
It's so goofy and funny, but manages to be engaging enough that I'm sincerely hyped when the final boss starts.
I also thought it was nice that you collected the final bosses on your way out of the final stage. I don't know what the trope is called for that, but I love it.

>>723751352
This
>Memorizing the levels
Absolute insane brainrotted post

>>723768309
yeah everything has way too much HP to be enjoyable for what they're seemingly going for

>>723756527
just tried the demo, it's very charming especially visually but I think it needs more time in the oven
>ground combo is slow and clunky despite doing the same damage as the air combo which you can spam as fast as you can press the button
>focus on meticulously breaking every background object to get good rankings can slow the game to a crawl, especially when the background objects blend in with the background
>on that note if it's not gross/dirty I shouldn't be penalized for not "cleaning" it
>if they want me to clean stuff random background objects shouldn't require more than one hit, I'm given all these moves to attack while moving but I can only effectively clean most objects by stopping
>I don't mind a heavier combat focus since that's different from what PT/Antonblast are doing but basic enemies are just a little too tanky
but it's worth remembering that Pizza Tower's demos ranged from pretty alright to total shit and the final game turned out great so I'm sure the devs could still make a good game here
I wonder if they have some kind of feedback form somewhere
statue form is very hot

>>723770114
This implies he was beaten up by one.

>>723770313
a couple versions of that clean him up so he's not beaten up but that also means there's no joke so it's kind of a net-zero thing for epic tranny haters either way

here is a sausage

>>723751065 (OP)
I thought it played fine, but I didn't like it enough to get any P ranks.

The physical release is out by the way

>>723770114
I hate trannies as much as the next chud but this is some mind broken shit lol

>>723751252
Unless you call just going fast a "speedrun" you can definitely beat it casually, the combo meter is very generous and leaves a lot of room for error. You don't even have lives in this game, Peppino can get hit as much as you want.

>>723751065 (OP)
Hey OP, notice you didn't put the words "Pizza Tower" in the OP or subject?

Fuck you.

>>723751065 (OP)
My reaction speed just isn't up to doing anything in this game, I'd have to memorize the levels to get high ranks and that's just not in the cards.

>>723770269
Peppino's expression really sells it.

I enjoyed my time with it. P-ranked everything pre-nerf Gnome Forest included, got all the cheevos, but I didn't get far with Noise. Maybe someday

>>723751065 (OP)
i had a dream that i was in an italian restaurant and this guy was the chef and i was watching him in the background in the kitchen doing insane shit

>>723751065 (OP)
I fuckin' love it bro.

>>723768045
Yeah it does a good job with difficulty balancing both in the actual difficulties and how it paces its levels/bosses/mechanics. Helps that it feels so god damned smooth and you don't have to fight the controls.

Man, sometimes I want to replay DMC3 and try to git gud but fighting Cerberus and the flying faggot bug with default Dante just TANKS my motivation.

>>723751065 (OP)
It's a great game, well designed with how it's fun to play through casually and becomes even better when you get a grasp on the controls and get P ranks

I think the one problem I can say with it is how long it takes to get used to the controls and movement, everyone I see playing the game the first time will nonstop bonk on the walls and forget that climbing up walls is automated until it just randomly clicks and people can play the game correctly (and I usually see this happen at around world 3 - 5 depending on the person)
When I see the odd Pizza Tower thread with newfags that missed playing the game when it released, they all talk about trying to go for P ranks first thing but I always felt that misses the point of the game as on release P ranks were found as a secret which was part of what made trying to get them fun (just like Lap 2)
Back at release, the average new player's not going to complete the tutorial fast enough to unlock the L2 portals, so people only discovered L2 when replaying levels until you inevitably think "Can I just get everything in one combo?" and then you get the P rank screen which makes you feel cool

The release threads for this game were fantastic, some of the most comfy threads this board's had in years with anons sharing gameplay, secret locations, all the OC etc I'll never forget em

Also Pizzascare's the best level in the game and if you disagree you shrimply have bad taste and Golf is the worst level

>>723751252
it rewards you for learning the game with speed. just like sonic, mr filtered retard

>>723776742
>Golf is the worst level
that's not war

>>723751065 (OP)
Very fun, but I don't find playing as the Noise fun, and I'm someone who loves replaying games as a "stronger" character, like vergil in dmc.
I'll get into the game again when they update the anime girl mod

>>723776742
>spoiler
Wrong.

>>723752249
Zoomer hands.

Have you played side-scrollers before? Especially go-fast Sonic type games? That's what they are.

Also Pizza Tower eases you into it, you can absolutely one-shot (not P rank) the first 20 levels, and no one's got a gun to your head to get P rank. Who cares? Do it if you love it, skip it if you don't.

>>723751252
Yeah Wario Land games were fun platformers that had a speedrun-lite part at the end of the levels.
Pizza Tower is just the speedrun part without the fun platforming.
Do people really see the Wario Land games as just speedrun autism?

What games would you name as the best platformers? This? Celeste?

>>723776839
The entire basis of the game is more autistic than your beloved furry blue hedgehog.

>>723756527
dustforce...
my favourite son dustforce...
come into the light let me see your face better...

>>723777702
I never really associated wario land much with speed running. to me it was more in the sense of shinespark like platforming puzzles, you are constrained by some transform state and need to plot a sequence to complete the stunt.

>>723777975
>What games would you name as the best platformers?
For me it's
>DKC Returns + Tropical Freeze
>Rayman Origins (I like it more than Legends)
>Pizza Tower
>Sonic 3
Precision platformers like SMB and Celeste are a bit too boring for me honestly. The earlier levels let you reach the goal in different ways which is fun but the later levels only have one specific path to take to reach the goal (Celeste does this way more than SMB) and I just find that boring and forgettable. I'm bias anyway as I think Dustforce is probably the best one of that subgenre.
It's been years after 100%ing SMB and Celeste and I honestly don't remember the levels that well as they haven't stuck with me but I can still vividly remember games like Pizza Tower and DKCR. Everything about those games is just far more memorable to me from the level design, movement, visuals, music etc

>>723751065 (OP)
I loved it. Fun to play both casually and to reach high ranks. The gimmicks in each level do a nice job of keeping things fresh without slowing the pacing down too much.

>>723777702
it's a game that started out as a more-or-less straight wario land clone early on and eventually evolved into its own thing over some five years of development, not that hard to understand

>>723752249
i p-ranked the whole game in less than 40 hours, there's a lot of wiggle room built into the levels which is a big part of why it's so fun to do

well minus the bosses, those do suck to p-rank

>>723777702
>wario land
>speedrun-lite
This doesn't make sense to me. The escape sequence at the end of the level isn't meant to be a speedrun thing, but rather a final obstacle in the level. Time Attacks are a thing in video games and they are different from speedrunning.

really awesome game. tight controls with satisfying movement. really fun to master these levels.
S tier cartoony art direction and funky music. very few games get me to boot up a new save file immediately after hitting the end.

>>723777702
if you dont think the platforming in pizza tower was fun, then I dont think you like platformers.
Why would you even like wario games if you didnt like pizza tower? would you care to explain what kind of platforming is fun or not fun?

>>723777975
celeste is overhyped as fuck because it feels like theres no player expression. they set up these linear challenges than get solved in one way.
I will give celeste credit for its optional content and strawberry challenge, but its hardly the best.

Is the creator running out of money again and shilling this reddit game here again?

>>723751065 (OP)
It's the worst looking game since Bloodstained.
The handling is really good, but the first playthrough or 2 absolutely sucks because it's a speedrunning game, so it relies on you memorising the level layouts for it to be enjoyable.

The music is generic and amateur that sounds like some kid made it on his laptop with the default presets on his pirated VST's and loops off an old sample CD that came free on a the cover of a magazine.

Everything about the games visuals and audio is done in that modern, post-ironic "bad on purpose" style.

Wario Land 4 is a much better video game.

>>723780974
Don't know how to describe precisely, but wario feels way tighter and smoother to move around and the gameplay is more laid back. PT feels more awkward to control and rushed/stressful, also with worse level design and gimmicks. Probably just preference. It doesn't jive with me.

>>723779927
>well minus the bosses, those do suck to p-rank
I only really hated doing Fake Peppino
His boss is really boring because he's the only boss where you need to specifically wait for him to be damageable for the entire boss fight, no idea why he's the only boss that's like that for the entire fight

>>723781823
understandable. the games don't play exactly the same and the gameplay pace does feels a little more intense in PT even when playing casually.

>>723756527
>cat girl
You have my attention.

>>723751065 (OP)
It's a pizza shit

Finished the crouch walk, working on crouch jump

How is this game still getting threads? What is there to even discuss?

the pizza tower threads were a ton of fun, miss them a lot

>>723783173
it's crazy you're still working on these, cool seeing you improve over time. good luck with her sprites

Pure millennial garbage and this is coming from a millennial.

Zoomers have the wrong idea, they think millennial games are gen X slop but millennial games are indy games that copies of SNES and NES games (in this case GBA iirc) but made on shitty modern engines. That's why Pizza tower, silksong, cuphead all fell like mobile garbage, because they are made with mobile garbage games. Pizza tower is just a mediocre Wario Land

>>723787042
whoa that post made no sense whatsoever, please ignore it im going to sleep

>>723787042
*Mediocre Sonic

>>723751065 (OP)
good harmless fun
some levels have segments that are clearly meant to make you drop your combo. that's fiendishly evil

>>723756527
Saw the trailer. Cute mouse girls.

>>723777975
>Celeste?

>>723751065 (OP)
absolute kino but always remember that fandoms don't matter when talking about how much you like a game or not.
also i had a stroke reading >>723787042 what the fuck are you even talking about

>>723751504
>Levels are so smooth that they pratically play themselves.
That's exactly his point, if you go fast it's like that.

>>723751065 (OP)
Retarded fandom? Never saw PT fans do anything noteworthy. Harmless if anything

Modding scene is crazy