Thread 723758559

Which is the inferior game? hard mode: try to rationalize it for your peers

>this thread
>yet again

i have never played a zelda game in my life, every time i tell myself "maybe it's time you finally gave it a try" i just can't be fucked and i just replay sometimes i beat 50 times already

>>723758559 (OP)
Ocarina of Time is because it relies on fake fun like progression. None of the mechanics you unlock are real mechanics, they're just keys that only do what the developers decided they can do in specific areas. It only felt fun because it takes so long to get them. In Tears you can use anything in any way you want. Most problems don't even have intended solutions.

Tears is for intrinsic gamers, Ocarina is for extrinsic. Start with the older games because you won't be able to enjoy them after playing Tears.

>>723758559 (OP)
One is water, god tier for all peoples
One is milk, god tier only for Whites

>>723759224
this, Botw was one of my first games ever and I was blown away by the scope. After putting a few thousand hours in tears I decided to finally ocarina a try, I was excited because I collected all the costumes in tears and thought Time was the coolest. Man, it was so damn boring. took me almost 2 hours just to get outta kokiri forest and there was nothing worth finding, I was hoping to get a better sword atleast. Hyrule field is literally just empty, almost a looks a beta testing room. How did boomers beat this boring slog of a game, I couldnt figure out what do next cause it wasnt worth my time.

>>723759858
I don't understand the food analogy but you're right.

>>723758559 (OP)
>S Tier
LA, OoT, BoTW
>A Tier
MM
>Who cares Tier
The rest

>>723759224
>fake fun

>>723758559 (OP)
nu-zelda was a mistake

just because something is old doesnt make it good

>>723760401
Just become something old doesn't make it bad, either.

>>723760169
If you play the new games, or just go outside and experience real fun, you'll get it.

>>723760653
I do all of that, possibly even more than you and I still have no idea what the fuck you're even talking about. I think you're just a soulless zoomer with a vendetta against anything with a soul out of envy.

>>723758559 (OP)
OOT was a pioneer of a new game format that has been ripped off countless times. if you don't play it before playing all the iterations it spawned then it has literally nothing to offer
TOTK is just gary's mod for people too retarded to use valve
they are both fun if they are one of the first games you are exposed to, and their strongest point is building intuition for people who have literally never played a video game before. OOT does a better job at this
TOTK wins if they were both measured objectively because it has at least some amount of fun and replayability, but it's really not any different from the other slop released around its time
OOT wins if we are measuring based on creativity of the devs or if we are measuring based on what little timmy should play on his 9th birthday when he has never experienced a 3d game before

>>723760837
Aren't you demons supposed to disclose? You're doing it wrong. What you're doing is called "projection".

>>723759224
>Tears is for intrinsic gamers, Ocarina is for extrinsic. Start with the older games because you won't be able to enjoy them after playing Tears.
red pilled

>>723760837
>I play nuzelda more than you but I think it has no soul
You do nothing but whine.

>>723760653
This is such a good point, I never could put my finger on it before but now that you mention it, people that claim Ocarina of Time is the best game ever in all likelihood hardly go outside.

>>723758559 (OP)
TotK is the inferior game. it being newer means nothing when its a worse version of the game its even trying to be a sequel of. the added features could have been interesting but they didnt bother to make the stuff they added not feel like useless bloat.

>>723760914
>>723761076
So I was right. I figured as much. That always seems to be the case with your generation. It's why there's so many god awful remakes and reboots going around shamelessly.

>>723758559 (OP)
All of Right could be Emulated on Left's Twinkpad. Technologically Right is inferior. Everything else is subjective cope.

>>723758559 (OP)
>has no Kass
>has no Kass but has the excuse that Kass isn't invented yet
TotK

>>723760837
Literally no game has more soul than Tears. No game is even close. But you have to be white to get it, unironically.

>>723761257
White people aren't stupid enough to buy the same game for a third time just because it has DLC this time. I know you want to be white but slop consumption isn't going to change your skin color.

>>723761096
You know what's fucking nuts to me? Niggers who say morrowind is "alien". It's JUST dirt, mushrooms and bugs. How have these people never seen that stuff irl? It never fails to blow my mind.

>>723758559 (OP)
Why can’t I like both?

>>723761136
>makes up no examples to go with made up lies

>>723761257
Every camera angle in Tears of the Kingdom legit looks like an art piece. Screenshot worthy, desktop worthy, the works. I cannot say the same about Ocarina of Time.

>>723761510
Fence sitters will be shot and where their body lands will be their decision.

>>723761456
I don't either. It's like people have never seen a Silt Strider irl before.

>>723758559 (OP)
TotK, it's worse than BotW which was already way below OoT.

>>723761691
Doubt it

>>723761709
There are things like that irl just smaller. And in like every movie. Retard.

>>723762059
>There are things like that irl except that they're not at all like that
Huh?

>>723761584
what did i make up? that TotK is a terrible sequel?
that the game added stuff but it feels more like bloat than anything else?

im not going to comment on the story because thats subjective. but the amount of menuing in ToTK is insane. theres a billion items you can pick up but they give you a single row with terrible sorting options and dont let you bulk craft arrows. they removed fucking elemental arrows because they wanted to force you to craft them. they removed AXES to force you to interact with the fusion mechanic. they spent time sprinkling the workd with a trillion fucking shrines and koroks again when they could have done a million fucking new things. wated time adding wells and sprinkling in dlc clothing from the first game as "rewards".

so much of the game was just wondering how they were going to recycle BotW or how they were going to be lazy about the new things they did add. i got so incredibly frustrated playing TotK i quit halfway through. the game plays like BotW but i feel like i have no incentive to play because the aspect i actually enjoyed was exploring and nothing felt new after i left the starting island.

the game fucking sucked dude i dont know what to tell you

>>723759224
yeah pretty much this. I guess Ocarina of Time is the kind of game you'd put into kids hands to learn just like when they play with legos you know. While Tears and BotW can be enjoyed by both kids and adults even though I feel like the lack of linearity would get kids bored.

>>723759224
ToTK is like giving kid a sandbox and bunch of tools and say "make your own fun".

OoT is like giving a kid a obstacle road / puzzle with a clear objective.

>>723762797
>I feel like the lack of linearity would get kids bored.
lmfao

>>723758559 (OP)
OOT is worse because it doesn't have any trans rep.
Aonuma finally did what he'd been wanting to do for the series' entire lifespan in 3D and gave us based and valid gender neutral Link.
Here's to "Linkle" getting in next game, sisters <3

>>723763410
Don't forget there's also exploration in Tears.

>>723763624
What exploration? Find the 100 turds?

>>723763659
Can't tell if this is a bot, an indian who can't understand simple English, or an indian made bot.

>>723758559 (OP)
TOTK. It's trashy openworld ubisoft slop combined with zoomcraft for zoomers, while OOT is a perfect early 3D adaptation of ALTTP.

>>723759224
They are so different you can go back to OoT and enjoy it, the main problem it has is that many games have iterated on its mechanics that it feels dated now, but it's not BotW's fault.

>>723763818

Thread is over, stop posting guys.
/thread

>>723763750
I mean tell me, what is the meaningful exploration in BotW and TotK? It's just the same shit copy pasted million times.

OoT because it's not copy pasted Ubishit

>>723763995
Really? I tried going back and couldn't get into it. Maybe I played it touch in the past. Playing OoT with my father is my earliest memory.

>>723764160
>touch
Too much. Fuck this phone.

>>723764051
Must...generate...site engagement...
Hiro...needs...ad money...so badly...!

>Boy I sure love going on a a glorified scavenger hunt for korok seeds and shrines
>Boy I sure love seeing the same copy paste enemies over and over
>Boy I sure love the shit boss fights
>Boy I sure love going into my inventory a million times
>Boy I sure love the shitty voice acting
>Boy I sure love the muddy green graphics
>Boy I sure love the complete lack of a story
>Boy I sure love the complete lack of music
>Boy I sure love the complete lack of dungeons
TOTK by a mile. I actually like content in my video games.

>>723764293
Oh that's how it works? Holy fuck.

>>723764097
could have fooled me

>>723758559 (OP)
the one on the right has a gold cartridge

Less is more

>>723759224
>oot gives you different tools to clear set obstacles.
>totk gives you cheat codes to bypass whatever random shit an intern placed after the tutorial.

>>723758559 (OP)
Tears of the Kingdom is inferior, it is also a 10/10 game. OoT is simply a larger leap forward for the genre than any other adventure game has or will ever make

>>723767403
>oot gives you two options to complete a puzzle
>totk allows you to invent dozens of options to complete puzzles
*

>>723767710
>totk
>build hover bike
>GG

2 options is still more than that

>>723768257
That's literally one (1) option in the game, and I like most people strongly suggest you avoid shit like that. There's nothing stopping anyone from getting creative with their puzzle solutions, the game is designed to the best of their ability to give you tools and many options to express your creativity. Get out of your own way, fag.

>>723767403
>doesn't like skipping content
No one made you do that retard.

>>723758695
Zelda is like the most "you absolutely want to play this at least some point" series there is. I can basically guarantee that at least one of the games will become the next thing you feel like playing 50 times over.

Just avoid the games that are filled with tedious nonsense and give you little to no freedom to start off with. SS being one of them, along with TP.

>>723760030
A lot of joy of OoT comes from how it opens up through the game and you discover more and more ways of finding secrets in it.

>>723763624
There's exploration in real life. In games there is either level design or there isn't, and in the case of ToTK there is nothing other than a giant play pen for retards like yourself to walk around in.

modern zelda fucking SUCKS

>>723769326
>A lot of joy of OoT comes from how it opens up through the game and you discover more and more ways of finding secrets in it.
This is why Totk is so great

>>723769649
Post proof there isn't level design. We all played the game we know there is. You just don't understand it when it's not the authors jacking themselves off in your face with their forced, singular solution that usually doesn't even make sense. Kill yourself liar.

>>723771095
>Poat proof there isn't level design
The entire underworld.

>>723758559 (OP)
OOT can be barely considered a video game. The entire thing plays like the tutorial section of a real game. Or like a gacha game adaptation of one. Fucking Skyward Sword of all things has more GAME mechanics in it's gameplay.

>>723759224
>progression is fake fun
i-i see?

>>723771182
Play the game right now.

>>723761245
fuck Kass hate this retard. The most annoying NPC in the history of gaming.

>>723758695
If you ever decide to play one choose one of these
ALttP
OoT
MM
BotW
All others can be written off, but some are still fun. Like I enjoyed Minish Cap and Four Swords, but they are clearly not mainline material.

>>723758559 (OP)
Huh?

OoT Master Quest > MM > OoT > LA switch > BotW > aLttP > SS (Deal with it) > LA > TP > OoS > OoA > WW > Link > tLoZ > TotK.

My uncle is Zelda and this is the objectively correct Order. Ive never seen such a binary no thought question before?

>>723771426
Master Quest isn't better than the original. It's not really even harder, it's just different and the differences are just more tedious than anything.

>>723759224
You are a fucking moron. Sandbox is an entirely different genre and just because the game is a pseudo sandbox doesn't make it better in any objective measure. TotK is full of "fake fun" bullshit like the bajillion shrines that are made for literal toddlers to figure out and all have the exact same boring ass layouts or the 10 gorillion collectible korok nigger shit that nobody likes. OoT is a more cohesive story overall and much more fun. You can also use glitches to make it feel more sandboxy.
One of the most fun times I ever had in OoT was using speedrun glitches to play the entire game doing the dungeons in reverse order.

>>723771537
Post two shrines with remotely similar layouts, cryfaggot. No one wants Zelda movie games anymore, and no amount of making up lies will change the truth.

>>723759224
What the fuck is "fake fun"? I swear you faggots make up stupid things every week, like "forced soul"

>>723771537
>OOT is more coheisive story
Somehow a sandbox with no story focus easily beats OOT in terms of story. Probably cause OOT story execution is complete ass, and will remain ass all the way till Skyward Sword, with BotW being a first properly told Zelda story.

It also doens't help that OOT is much more of a movie game than literal Sony movie games. It's borderline QTE game with how restrictive it is.

>>723771684
https://www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Test_of_Strength

>>723771510
Yea it was probably just the novelty after doing the original to death. That said the first change in it stumped me the first 2 play throughs. A spiked roller appears to knock you off, id swim under it which was a dificult bitch. Wasn't till my 3rd run I figured out you were supposed to backflip over it.

>>723771714
Completely unrelated to the awful post, but we need a word for that stardew valley compulsion skinner box games have. Where you feel driven to play it for 60 hours but feel gross after. Gacha, MMO, stardew valley. Fake fun.

>>723772058
stardew valley, silksong, elden ring...

It's funny how TotK ended up essentially becoming a contrariancore game just because of how quickly it fell out of general discourse (only /v/ regularly talks about it still, which just further cements it as contrariancore).

>>723772306
played ToTK only cause saw people hating on it, and if Nintendo fags are hating on something, it's usually peak. Was not disappointed - it was the best Zelda game. Crazy it took THIS long to give Link fucking fun magic powers.

>>723772391
Sounds like you just don't want Zelda games and want Gmod instead.

>>723771303
If you need a lock for a key to feel "fun" then I agree with the other anon, you're actually having nufun.

>>723771537
I'm glad Botw and Totk took us back to pure Zelda. A time where dungeons weren't an expectation. A time where the overworld was the objective. A time where NPCs didn't stop you and force cutscenes every 20 minutes.

>>723772719
>A time where dungeons weren't an expectation.

>>723772246
No, silksong was very easy for me to walk away from.

>>723772719
the good old game design

>>723772906
Kek, to be fair maybe he is 60. No one knew what the first game had in store!

>>723772906>>723772959
too young to be in the know

>>723772959
Its one of those things that you know was awful at the time but you look back with fondness.

>>723772924
I admire Silksong for its obvious care to detail, world, characters and etc., but it just got too damn boring to play. I took a break when SHF came out, and once I finished it I realized I had no desire to go back to SS. The whole experience was pushing forward because I kept thinking, "This is probably when it gets good." It never really did.

>>723772983
The manual for Zelda fucking 1 constantly mentions "labyrinths" and "the underworld". And reading the manual back then, especially for a game that was more complex than usual fare of the time, was expected.

>>723773132
But... you had to buy the game to get the manual. So for 60 glorious seconds he saw the cover, had no dungeon expectations, and asked the store clerk to get the game. Or he is ESL, idk.

>>723773257
Nah, he just got his cart on ebay decades after the matter of the fact.

>>723772484
ah yeah gmod famous for it's shmovement mechanics, building mechanics, crafting mechanics and open world exploration. Oh wait, it fucking isn't a souls like minecraft at all. You can play Totk without Build at all and it still would be more fun than any of OOTlikes. Mario 64 is more fun than them

>>723773378
>I want a game to let me just bypass all of it with impunity

>>723773132
That's such a strawman, I forget sometimes how gay and retarded you faggots are.

>>723773132
>dungeons
ah let's keep pretending that binding of isaac combat gauntlents were JUST LIKE OOT dungeons and not an entirely different beast that Totk shrines have much more in common. Combat wasn't even a thing since OOT till SS brought it back

>>723758559 (OP)
both play links awakening and link to the past.

>>723772906
I need to borrow this >>723773608

>>723758559 (OP)
both are the nortubel of zelda

>>723773556
That dumbshit literally said that dungeons weren't an expected part of Zelda. How was I strawmanning him?
>>723773584
>"Zelda 1 dungeons were about combat"
>"also combat didn't exist until OoT"
Keep your narratives straight holy shit you stupid faggot.

>>723773803
>untill
read straight you fucking retard, I've said SINCE. OOT removed combat, Swkyward broguht it back.

>>723773938
OoT had MORE emphasis on combat, with its different sword swings, jumps, and expanded item interactions.

>Aonuma said BotW was vaguely similar to Zelda 1 in 2017 so that means BotW and TotK are Zelda 1-2 and Zelda 1-3!!!!!!
Switchfags really aren't letting that argument go, even after he pivoted in 2023 and threw ALL the pre-BotW games under the bus, huh

>>723774115
and how were any of those useful in combat at all? If a gacha game has 50 different idle animations for their SSSS character does that mean the game is magically about standing around now? Different sword swings are so useless even speedrunners ignore them.

>>723758559 (OP)
dunno bro you tell me

>>723774325
Don't you guys constantly lecture people for finding Korok puzzles boring by choosing to use the most efficient simple solutions instead of le he heckin whimsical Ultrahand machines?

>>723759224
BotW & TotK VA is a dumpster fire. The boss fights were literally brain-dead easy. BotW's final boss fight was the stupidest shit I've ever seen. I kicked that guy's ass and I only freed the elephant robot. The final form of Ganon literally sits there and sharts at you periodically. It's the stupidest shit. TotK's final fight was slightly better, yet still nothing to write home about. Those little spirits you summon are also the stupidest fucking shit I've ever seen. It's what you expect to find in a game made for toddlers. They do absolutely nothing. BotW & TotK are both like 90% optional. You don't *need* to do hardly anything in them. You do things to "scratch an itch". Also, Link is stripped of almost all his equipment, too, which is gay. OoT has real dungeons with great storytelling, killer music, an actually wise Zelda, awesome boss fights, dope equipment and a truly epic final boss fight sequence. Completely different games. Plus, you can do the adult dungeons in just about any order as long as you get the bow from the forest temple first.

>>723774325
The different sword swings in OoT are awesome. Modern Zelda really missed out on them. I'm constantly using them for different reasons.

>>723774427
except the most efficent simple solution is actually different for each one, while the jump attack is always the best.

all praise for Switch/2 games on /v/ is contingent upon contempt for the Nintendo consoles that lost against Sony consoles (and the games on those Nintendo consokes)

>>723774694
>meanwhile the jump attack is always the best
you've never actually watched OoT speedruns you stupid fuck oh my god

>>723771823
BotW is such a movie game, dude. There are so many movies to watch. I have two daughters that love watching them. We still haven't even seen half of all of it and I've been playing this game for like a month.

>>723774694
>jump attack
>best
>when you could ISG with a glitched deku stick
lol
lmao even

>>723774439
>bitchmoaning

>>723775648
Is that what you're doing? Makes sense. Seeing as you're a little faggot.

>>723775648
>no you're not allowed to criticize Switch games

>>723774439
This was my ranking >>723771426
There is just somthing about BotW thats so zen. Game never gets good, but I found it never got bad either... until the last 30 minutes. 200 hours of perfectly 7/10 content. Thats hard to rate, but its not 7/10, and its not bad.

>>723771537
>One of the most fun times I ever had in OoT was using speedrun glitches
so the most fun you ever had was not actually playing the actual game, but doing it wrongly. incredible argument.

>>723774439
>its too easy
zelda has been a baby game since oot. before then, you might actually die if you fuck up the combat, but starting with oot you have to be a drooling retard to actually die. "difficulty" is not an argument, and you're absolutely kidding yourself.

>>723758559 (OP)
the n64 is worse because it looks so bad its unplayable for me
i hate how n64 graphics look, always had, even on n64 release
and before you say it, no i'm not underage, my first console was the atari 2600 and I got a NES on release date

>>723759224
>In Tears you can use anything in any way you want.
which makes it all feel meaningless. the devs even leave a nice big pile of the material you'll need right next to the puzzle which you'll use 99% of the time unless you use the hoverbike or whatever to just skip all the content in the game.

>>723774630
Explain how that would make breath bett-
Oh wait you can't think...

Bump

>>723781048
you make a pile and then you spend the next hour trying to make a perfect bike(which i don't think is possible in the game?) trying to recreate the one autobuild schematic suggested

>>723758559 (OP)
OOTsnoys and their cubie boyfriends hate this fact, but there isn't a single thing OOT does better than BOTW or TOTK

>>723775648
>>723775997

>>723781048
and where is the block that you need to push to put onto the button? right there? oh, i see...
you dont have an argument. you're trying to claim that its too easy and meaningless when its a literal children's game. and the thing that you're trying to praise instead of it is... an easy and meaningless children's game.
was oot hard for you as a kid, but totk is too easy now that you're an adult? did you have fun doing trivial tasks as a kid, but now its lost its luster now that you're an adult?
you might have "grown up" but you're still fucking retarded.

>>723785936
You're right, it's not a single thing. It's everything! DOHOHOHOHO

>>723786381
Haven't you extrinsic tards been embarrassed enough itt? Go play Metroid, no one cares about you when you don't try to ruin our fun with your small minded bullshit.

>>723774384
Right isn't any more exiteing than left when you've been fiddling about attaching wheels to vehicle bodies and then driving them unobstructed in the exact same way for hundreds of other puzzles and objectives. It's no different to just picking up the Korok and walking with it in that nothing you're experiencing is new or challenging. At least left is over sooner.

>>723786825
Nobody was embarrassed by you retards screaming DURRRRRR GAME BAD IF CAN'T SKIP IT ALL.

>OOT sucks because it's linear and restricts what you're allowed to do
>meanwhile, TOTK literally prevents you from sequence breaking the tutorial in any way, and doesn't even let you skip the opening cutscene, like a damn snoy movie

Really does.... make you think....

>>723787326
You're mad about people skipping. Why? Because you're too stupid to make your own fun so your only hope to be a part of gaming culture in 2025 is for everyone to be forced to have the exact same experience. You didn't evolve but gaming did. You can't, because of lead paint and vaccines. Get fucked in hell forever.

And the funny thing is no one even skips anything. You're getting mad about problems in your head.

>>723787560
>You're mad about people skipping. Why?
Because one of my favorite IPs was retooled to cater to people who want to play as little of it as possible.

It's going to be somewhat funny but also frustrating seeing Switchfags start shitting on BotW and TotK the instant the next 3D game is shown off. Just like how they started shitting on Super Mario Odyssey and lapped Mario Kart races to prop up Donkey Kong Bananza and Mario Kart World.

>>723787876
>t's going to be [headcanon]

>>723787926
>Switchfag doesn't have pattern recognition
No wonder you got filtered by older Zelda games lmao

>>723788075
>Switchfag doesn't [headcanon]

>>723787661
No, I told you why. And no one's going to believe you or think that makes sense. First of all, name anyone who ever skipped anything without ever intending to experience that thing in Zelda. You can't because people only ever skip anything in that game if they're doing a straight to Ganon challenge and it's only after they've already beaten the game at least once before. Second of all, even if anything you said was more than you whining and crying and making up lies, it still doesn't affect you. So how about you stop selling everything to blackrock, because then maybe your kids would want to see you and you'd have something else to do in your twilight years other than crying about others having fun like a toddler.

>>723788126
>schizomoaning

>>723788214
Stealing my word, Wow that's pathetic

Also I noticed you didn't call me wrong...

>>723788294
you started impotently screeching about retarded off-topic shit like blackrock, I didn't think I needed to expressly say "no, you're wrong and being an absolute schizophrenic retard".

>>723760030
most zoomer take i've read all day

>>723788506
You still won't say it so I guess you're just fucked. Old man.

>>723787661
>to cater to people who want to play as little of it as possible.
so then... dont make a hoverbike then? you cant have fun because of other people? you cant have fun because a "more efficient option exists"? the common denominator here is your own deficiencies. you've forgotten what gaming even is. you dont care about fun, you care about sucking off oot. you arent a zelda fan, you're a zealot for oot.

>>723758559 (OP)
Neither. Quit being a bitch.

>>723788545
Lead Paint. How do you know you know anything? Maybe every single one of your dumbass theories is because your brain is damaged. That is the case, objectively, but I want you to think about that. If you can.

>>723788658
Nobody should be allowed to make a hoverbike. That bout of anti-gameplay shouldn't exist in the first place. It's the same retardation as that super powerup that Mario games give you if you die long enough. I've never even seen it during any of my playthroughs because I'm not a filthy casual, but it still stinks of Nintendo pandering to morons who clearly can't git gud.

>>723785936
Aside from inventing and mastering the 3D adventure game when it didn't even exist.

OOT is 32 megabytes inside a plastic cartridge. Thirty-two lousy little megabytes and it's more than enough. For reference, BotW is 13 GB.

If you're comparing their significance in the gaming world and their lasting impression. OOT is superior in every metric. BotW has had twenty years of experience and new technology to draw upon so of course it will be the flat out better game. That's a dumb comparison though, it's like comparing a sock puppet to a modern animatronic, of course one's "better", but that's not even fair.

>>723788816
>That bout of anti-gameplay shouldn't exist in the first place. It's the same retardation as that super powerup that Mario games give you if you die long enough
Except with nuZelda they make it a main selling point.

>>723788658
The game was not made with le hoverbike in mind. Call him out for lying too.

>>723758559 (OP)
All better games than any woke snoysloppa

>>723788863
They never show any machine like that in any marketing. Kys nigger boomer retard crybaby queer poop eater indian elephant rajeet man.

>>723788816
again, just dont make it then?
why do you care so much about other people?
i dont even know what mario thing you're talking about, but having heard of it now, im not inclined to give a shit. why should i care? why do you care? you're getting angry at nothing. you're getting angry at things that dont affect you in any way.

>>723788843
so you admit that oot is just a shitty sock puppet in comparison, and the only thing it has going for it is your own nostalgia of playing with the shitty sock puppet as a kid, when shitty sock puppets were still good enough to entertain you.
got it.
i accept your concession.

>>723788568
I literally just fucking did say it.

>>723788975
>again don't make it
That's just one problem. If I avoided everything in BOTW and TOTK that purposely ruined the game by making them too easy, the games would last maybe 5 minutes and would consist of just rushing straight to ganon/ganondorf. Otherwise any potential challenge is severely and heavily gutted. There's a point where the game just can't be made fun, no matter how many self-imposed challenges you put upon yourself.

>>723788907
Oh you know what's cool? Sony's being forced to make the Zelda movie kino and quite based.

>>723789076
Rajesh, that was you saying you hypothetically would have said it if you knewyou had to. And you still haven't actually said it to me for real lol. So you lied. And, you miss your kids lol. they won't see you on your deathbed unless you make them think they can get an inheritance

>>723758559 (OP)
i really can't compare them to eachother, they're too different. i really like both, but they're completely different genres

>>723789078
>making them too easy
>any potential challenge is severely and heavily gutted
why havent you realized that its a literal children's game, and not "le epic hardcore challenging adventure for hardcore gamers"? literally even oot is as simple and easy. theres nothing hard or challenging in oot. you're trying to tear down one game while ignoring the other for having the exact same flaws. you're a delusional hypocrite. probably even a willfully ignorant zealot.

if you dont like totk because its a kids game and not for you, thats fine. but dont pretend like oot is any different.

>>723789328
OOT had similar problems, but TOTK and BOTW came out almost 20 years afterward. They have less of an excuse to be repeating the exact same problems.

>>723774115
>swinging horizontally or stabbing, holding a candle to any of a myriad of combat options in Totk
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

>>723789078
Funny thing is, a self-imposed challenge that'd been a staple (the 3-Heart Challenge) is made impossible in TotK for the first time in 3 decades because they decided that they needed to hold newcomers' limp cocks so much that they even need to be forcefed the mechanic of health upgrades. One thing I'll give BotW credit for, it perfectly left that discovery up to the player in a guided but unforced way, drawing you to a Goddess Statue in the same place you're supposed to meet Old Man after getting the four Spirit Orbs on the Great Plateau.

>>723789378
>pre-baked swinging/poking options in TotK
>myriad of combat options
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight (also that post was saying OoT had more combat options than previous games dipshit)

>>723787661
>Because one of my favorite IPs was retooled to cater to people who want to play as little of it as possible.
slow down there anon. You have such an incorrect notion when you go saying shit like that about people who play these games for hundreds of hours. Ask yourself, did (you) play Botw and Totk for hundreds of hours? did you replay it as many times they did?

>>723789376
>repeating the exact same problems
except they arent problems. they are children's games. why are you considering it a "problem"?

>>723758559 (OP)
N64, the controller just doesn't hold up.

>>723789267
What the fuck are you even babbling about anymore you insane mongoloid

>>723789378
>combat
This is a white game anyway. It's about building and exploring and helping people take back their home more than fighting. I wish black people could understand, but that's why we have different genres I guess. I bet they really like that amazon invincible mortal kombat clone. Heh. Black people...

>>723789490
OoT just lets you use a couple different sword swings, Totk lets you do a whole lot more.

>>723789580
Pandering to children is retarded. It's no different than nu-God of War or Call of Duty pandering to children with le epic cheevos and ebin cinematic flair to make them feel grown up, instead of actually challenging them.

>>723789643
wait I thought I was Indian

>>723789442
you can undo the extra heart at the demon statue if it really means that much to you.
but its really cringe to see people THIS mad, this BIG MAD, over the extra heart.

>>723789613
Why are you pretending that I just now lost you? It's the same thing I've been saying. Also you still haven't called me wrong so lol.

>>723789708
BotW must've pissed you off then lmao

>>723789442
idk why you wouldn't just do a four heart challenge, everything in the game can one shot you anyway. you're such a whiny baby

>>723789704
Are you indian? Indians don't know shit about shit and will just assume it's about combat if they're told so. Not to be racist though but you poop dudes are crazy.

>>723789664
>its not made specifically for MEEEEEEE
consider suicide.
but again, you cant denounce one for being a children's game while praising the other when its ALSO a children's game.

>>723789746
????
what would give you that opinion from what i replied to you with? i dont see the connection at all.

Every game should be Dark Souls.

>>723789802
Because between them, I prefer playing other games. Ones where there are multiple challenge modes and difficulty modes NOT locked behind a season pass.

>people mad about the number 4
Tells you all you need to know. Crazy people, imaginary problems. One heart makes zero difference.

>>723789896
yes we get it you're too stupid to intuit how Heart Containers work on your own and need the game to remind you every time

>>723789909
This but the opposite. They pretend they understand everything, but they're talking out of their ass.

Uh OOTsnoys....wtf is this..

>>723789894
well if you dont have fun screwing around and simply playing games, and you need to be "challenged at all times, being pushed to my limits" then why are you even in this thread? why defend oot?

>>723790021
Discord cubie backup xistas....no..i thought shit was was le good.....not like this

>>723790021
oh no not the tierlist website, not a whopping 75 votes

Why do people still play OOT yet almost nobody plays BotW and TotK anymore?

>>723772719
>I'm glad Botw and Totk took us back to pure Zelda.
This. I'm with Aonuma, I will never understand why anyone would want to go back to being tied down and forced to go one way.

yet again Switchfaggotry is just contempt for Nintendo's past

>>723790021
>haven't played half the franchise
why do people destroy their credibility like this

>>723789896
they'll try to impress you with "33% more health" and say "you can survive an extra hit against x, y, and z enemies, but before you'd just fucking die" as if it really matters and they werent basically just playing hitless anyway

>>723790067
>Tingle's rosy rupeeland not ranked
Grim, as it's better than most main zelda games. But i guess muricans never got to play it.

>>723790053
I'm "defending OOT" in the same way that I'd prefer a kick to the shin over a kick in the balls.

>>723789953
>pretending to be mad about the literal only tutorial element that isn't gameplay
>not complaining about the sixty nine things OoT reminds you through endless text boxes every time you start a new game
>and OoT is designed to be restarted every time you beat it whereas you literally never need to restart Tears

>>723790067
>>723790021
doesn’t matter which you prefer, but it’s good to see none of the zoomer cubesnoy shitcube slop in the highest tiers.

>>723790071
you can see into everyone's home and you monitor all of their gaming activity?

>>723790176
>>pretending to be mad about the literal only tutorial element that isn't gameplay
So we're not counting about the forced walk-and-talk segment and unskippable cutscene at the very beginning then, that makes replays a pain in the ass?
>and OoT is designed to be restarted every time you beat it whereas you literally never need to restart Tears
well that's just incorrect

>>723790191
It makes no sense to rank Twilight Princess low and Ocarina of Time high, TP is everything OoT used to be but better.

>>723790272
Just being fair, we discounted the unskippable cutscenes at the start of OoT too.

>>723790310
TP has bad pacing and worse designed items than OOT

Switchfags hate the Gamecube just because it's the Nintendo system that lost the hardest against a Playstation lol

>>723790169
you're kidding yourself if you think its shin vs balls when your primary criticism is that its a children's game thats "too easy". in that regard, its basically right testicle vs left testicle. for people that actually enjoy gaming, the choice is obvious and easy that totk is the superior product with a lot more fun in it (and better made). you have to be a special kind of retarded to think otherwise.

>>723790409
>for people that actually enjoy gaming, the choice is obvious and easy that totk is the superior product with a lot more fun in it
Yeah, I sure love unskippable cutscenes and invisible walls that don't even let me sequence break the tutorial. It's like I'm really playing Uncharted!

>>723790409
>totk is better if you have adhd
got it

>>723790489
raging about not being able to sequence break is pretty pathetic.

>>723790534
>TOTK is about freedom!
>NO NOT LIKE THAT

>>723790625
>the linear games have ways to sequence break massively, very early on
>the nonlinear games obsessively locked their tutorials down to make them absolutely unskippable

>>723790625
>is about freedom!
it has a lot of freedom in it, but saying that its "about" freedom is pretty stupid and reductive. you cant just skip to any boss you want, you still have to accomplish the objectives along the way.

so the game starts you off with a very specific set of objectives first. so what? what is your pathetic fucking problem? most games are extremely linear. why is a short portion at the start such an immense deal breaker for you?

>>723790272
What is there left to do after you beat all the quests in OoT? NOTHING. But in Tears you can keep doing the same shit you've been doing the whole time. Anyway, fuck off shit dick, you'll never see the Kingdom of Heaven.

>>723790815
>>the linear games have UNINTENDED ways to sequence break massively, very early on
ftfy
"game is good because of glitches and exploits" is not an argument.

>>723790869
>so the game starts you off with a very specific set of objectives first. so what?
I don't like OOTsnoys pushing this as a good thing. That's what.

>>723790928
>STOP HAVING UNINTENDED FUN
"sandbox" my ass

>>723790907
Collect turds and build legos?

>>723790928
>WHEN I SAID YOU COULD MAKE YOUR OWN FUN, I DIDN'T MEAN LIKE THAT

>>723790930
its certainly not a bad thing to cry about. arguably it IS good, because its a CHILDREN'S game, and it makes sure they understand the core functions/features before setting them loose. they didnt want people to be missing an important piece and get frustrated "this is literally impossible! what a bad game!" when it would have been their own fault for skipping something so crucial for progression. thats why autobuild isnt part of the tutorial stuff, its extra. there are a lot of retarded people out there (see: yellow paint. national park trashcans having trouble with bears and guests). its still nothing to bitch and complain over.

>>723790980
>>723791061
i dont care how much fun you have doing it, but glitches and exploits do not count as positives towards a game's quality. by all means, have fun whatever ways you like. i fully support having fun and enjoying yourself, whatever the game may be. but when it comes to discussions of quality, glitches and exploits are either ignored or counted as negatives.

>>723791258
>they didnt want people to be missing an important piece and get frustrated "this is literally impossible! what a bad game!"
That's bad game design. You're supposed to make them frustrated for wanting to finish the game in a hurry. You don't give them a lollipop and whisper assurances softly to them, you kick them in the face and punish them. Invisible walls and scripted tutorials are just coddling the idiot modern generation.

>>723791402
>you just hate the new Zelda games because you have no imagination and refuse to make your own fun
>OMG NO STOP IT YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR OWN FUN IF IT'S THE WRONG KIND OF FUN
oh yeah let's not forget how they also aggressively patched out harmless resource-duplicating bugs from both games as if they were accounting for some sort of multiplayer balance/economy lmao

>>723790363
OoT had bad pacing. TP has superior items.

>>723789516
funny there's no response to this

>>723791598
>OoT had bad pacing.
It literally has the fastest intro/tutorial segment of all the 3D games lol

>>723791639
Okay. You're wrong. There's your response. It was just an essaypost way of saying "millions of flies love shit so it can't be bad".

>>723789516
People have spent tens of thousands of hours playing Team Fortress 2, and that doesn't stop people from hating those games.

>Snoyarina of Time is le most big chungus iconic game in all of Zeld-ACK!
Do Ootsnoys and cubies never get sick of getting BTFO in these threads? Going on a decade now, and you faggots and your Discord raids haven’t changed the public opinion whatsoever

>>723791025
Do you think all building is legos? Black confirmed.

>>723791535
you've misunderstood. its not about "wanting to finish the game in a hurry". its not about that at all. not in the slightest. if anything, it seems like thats what YOU want to do, because you want to skip things and play less of the game. the POINT is that they didnt want to just spawn players into a world like minecraft does, and when they happen to choose going north, they missed out on a key thing that they need from the south first. that could easily happen, and getting bad reviews because of retards isnt fair to the quality of the game.

when you think about it, its no different than in older zelda games how you need the dungeon's item to defeat the boss, but you also need the item in order to even get TO the boss in the first place.

>You're supposed to make them frustrated
>You don't give them a lollipop and whisper assurances softly to them, you kick them in the face and punish them.
lmao, im sensing projection about how your parents dont love you, and you're a sad, jaded, bitter, lonely person. was it aspergers that ruined your social relationships?

>>723791862
>we want the twitchfag audience
that's like the worst argument you could ever try to make on behalf of the new zelda games lmao

>>723791025
Also why don't you just concede? What is the point of you still bitching like a baby hours later? What, you can't stop people from having fun in Zelda so you shit up every thread on 4chan instead?

>>723791590
being jaded and bitter is not an argument, anon. why is it a problem for them to fix things? why arent they allowed to have pride in their intended design/vision/experience?

>>723791806
No you missed the point entirely.
>>723791836
That's besides the point, the comment was a response to players avoiding playing the game. How do you think an example of a game being played for thousands of hours runs contrary to that.

I get it, you guys are simpletons and you don't actually understand the most basic of premises.

>>723791806
>millions of flies love shit so it can't be bad
this is how zealots for oot try to justify their endless praise of it for over 20 years.

>>723792012
Prove OoT is as heavily played as Totk and Botw.

>>723792168
>why arent they allowed to have pride in their intended design/vision/experience?
If they had pride, they wouldn't have had to hide TotK's gameplay until just weeks before release (versus showing hours of BotW almost a year beforehand) or allowed it to release in the unoptimized state it went gold in.
>>723792209
The "hundreds of hours" in BotW/TotK you see is almost entirely just comprised of people vibing with the environment, not hundreds of hours of engaging with new or unique content.

>>723791995
>the POINT is that they didnt want to just spawn players into a world like minecraft does,
Maybe it should. Minecraft is infinitely better than both these games.

>>723791535
Zelda games should just remove the secret solved jingle that's so iconic. Surely that will improve the series.

>>723792358
>almost entirely just comprised of people vibing with the environment
Admiring the level design, which means that it's just that good. You say it likes it's a bad thing. Every camera angle during the game feels like a piece of art you could hang on a wall or use as a desktop wallpaper.
>not hundreds of hours of engaging with new or unique content
it's that TOO, do you not get it?

>>723792445
The evil and malicious OOT has it, so maybe we should remove it. Anything that existed in OOT should stop existing period. Infact, because of the sins of OOT and every pre-switch zelda, we should just remove Zelda and Link and Ganon altogether.

>>723792358
>they wouldn't have had to hide TotK's gameplay
how they chose to market it, and your interpretation of that, is irrelevant. you arent a main character, aspie.
>not hundreds of hours of engaging with new or unique content
wait, how does it go? something like:
>they need to actually be having fun PLAYING the game
>NO NOT LIKE THAT!

like just kill yourself already. life wont get any better for you. you'll be constantly looking to the past and remain hollow and unfulfilled.

>>723792625
>we should just remove Zelda and Link and Ganon altogether
You might be onto something

>>723792537
>Admiring the level design
Nice try, using a term that implies engaging with challenges and functional variety to conflate aimless ADHD wandering with content.
>Every camera angle during the game feels like a piece of art you could hang on a wall or use as a desktop wallpaper.
Not with that piss filter, they don't. Also, nice graphicsfaggotry/cinemafaggotry, Sonyfag.
>>723792645
Yes, Zelda shouldn't be aimed at people who hate Zelda games and want conflictless Animal Crossing gameplay. I don't give a fuck about sales figures because I care about game quality, not being trendy or externalized approval.

>>723792793
>Nice try
you lost me, I was responding to you saying all the hours spent playing the game were "just comprised of people vibing with the environment" and "(not) engaging with hundreds of hours of new or unique content"

you responded with
>using a term that implies engaging with challenges and functional variety to conflate aimless ADHD wandering with content.
what're you even saying

>Not with that piss filter
what a cop out
You know the graphics and artstyle are peak.

cubesnoy fatigue is at an all time high

>>723792793
Real talk, do you even like Zelda. Do you like Wind Waker, Skyward Sword, Twilight Princess, Phantom Hourglass, Adventure of Link?

>>723793007
>You know the graphics and artstyle are peak.
It's not even the peak cel-chaded artstyle in the series.
>>723793107
>WW
Yes
>SS
No
>TP
Yes
>PH
Yes
>AoL
No

>>723792793
>Zelda shouldn't be aimed at people who hate Zelda games
it isnt though, lol. any actual zelda fan fucking loves them and had loads of fun. plenty of people that enjoyed it did still critique it about the lack of dungeons, but they enjoyed it nonetheless. the people that hate it are the ones that arent zelda fans, they're oot zealots. i guess some of the other haters are also people that just hate children's games in general and lost the ability to have simple fun without being "challenged" as an adult. your aspie narcissism is showing.

>>723793178
>it isnt though
You people screaming about "OoTsnoys" and "cubesnoys" all the fucking time says otherwise.
>your aspie narcissism is showing.
"look mommy i said the thing again"

>>723793240
>You people screaming about "OoTsnoys" and "cubesnoys"
lmao, you havent figured out how to mentally filter out the shitposts or how to figure out the actual meaning (if there is any) from a post? ngmi

>>WW
>Yes
kek

>>723793337
>figure out the actual meaning
I did though.
>OoT bad because less sale and because me no have god power from start
That's it.

>>723793424
oot is bad because its a primitive, empty slog.
>totk is bad because its a children's game, and im not challenged by it
thats it. thats it? thats all you have to say? because you're not presenting anything else.

>>723772719
>I'm glad Botw and Totk took us back to pure Zelda. A time where dungeons weren't an expectation.
Is this nigger serious or is he a genuine newfag?

>>723793575
>primitive is when not crafting and sandbox
Got it.
>because you're not presenting anything else.
Why should I give you more? You're not operating in good faith. You're just celebrating colonizing a series you clearly had nothing but indifference or hatred for before 2017.

>>723793726
>primitive is when not crafting and sandbox
not what i said at all, lmao. everything on the n64 is extremely primitive for the 3d medium. anyone with two brain cells to rub together to make a thought should be able to recognize that.
>You're not operating in good faith
says the one incapable of comprehending basic game design concepts or how people enjoy them. says the one absolutely SEETHING at a children's game for not being personally "challenging" enough.

>>723793176
>It's not even the peak cel-chaded artstyle in the series.
Yes, it is actually.

>>723793240
NTA, but what do we even call the few of you that hate Botw and Totk like your life depends on it, while claiming Oot is just better (which it isn't objectively) I don't see why you shouldn't get labeled.

>>723794165
>hate Botw and Totk like your life depends on it
good question
>while claiming Oot is just better
thats simple. they're willfully ignorant, nostalgia blind zealots. oot zealots.

>>723793704
It's true though, the notion of dungeons as people know them in Ocarina of Time wasn't real back then. One game had the underworld labyrinths, one game had palaces, and no one went into the games thinking they had to have dungeons. The notion they had to have thematic unique dungeons came after Ocarina of Time.

>>723793704
Genuine newfag.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/en/pdf/CLV-P-NAANE.pdf
Look how many goddamn times "labyrinth" and "underworld" are mentioned in the original Zelda's manual.
>>723794060
>says the one incapable of comprehending basic game design concepts or how people enjoy them.
I just don't like the notion of IPs and major gameplay concepts as being massively and cynically interchangeable. Sue me.
>>723794165
"Zelda fans" will do.
>while claiming Oot is just better (which it isn't objectively)
99 :)

>>723794294
>labyrinth
>palace
>dungeon
>"these are different, guys!"
an hero.

>>723794165
OOTards and cubies

>>723794398
I think he's just performatively hating dungeons with unique identities just because OoT had them. He should take issue with LA for that because it was the first one to give dungeons unique tilesets and music but OOPS KNOWING THAT WOULD REQUIRE ACTUALLY FUCKING PLAYING THE GAMES LOL

>>723794398
>>723794494
You guys seem to be willfully missing the whole point. It would be a waste of time to engage with you.

>>723758559 (OP)
Show me an OoT lover that didnt come from a broken home.
Every person that never grew up and still thinks that OoT is any sort of quality only thinks so because it was there for them more than mommy and daddy were. It was their comfort escape.

>>723758559 (OP)
stop being a nintendofag anon

>>723794562
Your point was built on an incredibly retarded misconception born from being a contrarian poser, with a dash of pedantry to cover your ass.
>>723794605
How very specific, anon. Sounds like projection.

>>723794387
>"Zelda fans" will do.
if you liked Zelda you would be celebrating the triumph of Botw and Totk. the game is like a celebration of everything they had wanted to make and were building up to. to hate on it is to hate on the core essence of Zelda.

>>723794703
What a moron.

>>723794748
>the game is like a celebration of everything they had wanted to make and were building up to
No it isn't lmao, it was Aonuma throwing out the baby with the bathwater and copying other people's homework because he didn't get his way with Skyward Sword

>>723794918
You actually do not understand Zelda. You don't even get Ocarina of Time generally. That game was revolutionary for stuff like being able to shoot an arrow through a lit torch to transfer the fire. If you paid more attention to what was possible in the game you would understand the types of stuff they had hoped to achieve all these years later.

>>723794918
>but its different, guys!
that awkward moment when you realize that almost every single zelda game is different from the others, focusing on its own core gimmick.

you're not a zelda fan.

>>723795074
It isn't just the gameplay shift that falls under "throwing out the baby with the bathwater".
>getting rid of the green tunic and hat as the mascot look for Link because they didn't think it was "cool" anymore
>keeping Link right-handed despite the lack of motion-controlled swordplay because the new audience they wanted are too stupid to comprehend a left-handed attack being done with a button on the right side of a controller (yes Aonuma actually said this)
>not letting you name Link anymore, removing the very reason for his default name being "Link"
They didn't make these games for existing Zelda fans. They made them for people who liked Bethesda/Ubisoft/Rockstar games.
>>723795196
>you're not a real paper mario fan for not liking Sticker Star/Color Splash

>>723772306
>well actually people not wanting quest progression tied to a shitty arbitrary physics building system in a zelda game are le contrarians!

>>723774704
Based john rhyse davis poster

>>723785936
>OOTsnoys
>single thing OOT does better than BOTW or TOTK
We are reaching levels of tendie delusion and cope never thought imaginable

>>723789064
>Makes up a strawman
>then concessions it
kek

>>723795376
>because they didn't think it was "cool" anymore
source? because it seems pretty clear that the reason is because there is the entire clothing/armor system and you can dress him up a myriad of ways. also you can get the retro outfit.
>right/left handed
lmao who gives a shit? are you left handed and felt "represented" and now they "took that from you"?
>custom name
this was removed because the game is voice acted. it doesnt make sense to name your character "buttz" but get called "link" in voice. also grow up, you're yelling at clouds.

>you're not a fan if you dont like X!
except, thats not the issue. its not that you "dont like it", its the reasons WHY you dont like it. its that the reasons you provide largely apply to a lot of zelda games, INCLUDING everyone's precious oot. you're a delusional, jaded, hypocrite.

>>723795376
Do you even hear yourself
>getting rid of the green tunic
This isn't the type of thing you should concern yourself with. You might as well be complaining that most of the games don't have a red or blue tunic. It's not a defining gameplay trait to start in a green tunic. Half of the games start you in some other garment and treat the green tunic like it's an obligation. The gameplay of every Zelda game varies considerably from game to game. It's the things that are constant that are most important to the franchise's identity.
>right handed
>naming Link
These are just set dressing. Naming Link originated as a way to differentiate save files. The original protagonists weren't even left handed to begin with.

>>723796051
>this was removed because the game is voice acted.
lmao tendies never beating the "never played anything except fotm Nintendo games" allegations

>>723796005
it was his own analogy, lol

>>723795869
What exactly does OoT do better? and I mean better, I do not mean it does something that Botw or Totk doesn't do, I mean what does it do better?

>>723787560
>>723788126
>>723788658
>>723788975
>zoomoids can't fathom a video game having inherent challenges to overcome as that it what a video game is and instead they demand "make your own fun" skinnerboxes
very grim indeed

>>723796137
and its still awkward that nobody ever says his name, but they say all of each other's.

btw, how is it supposed to be pronounced? lmao

>>723796157
Utilization of tools given to you.

>>723796234
>boomer cannot fathom that the game's challenge doesn't come from playing mother may I to find the one singular solution to a puzzle
grim very indeed

>>723796234
it has its own challenges. can you figure them out? there are tons of shrines too. can you figure them out? its a children's game.

>>723796281
Botw and Totk do that so far and away above better than Oot. You'd know that if you played the game. A single sword in the games is used in more ways than Oot uses a single dungeon item.

>>723796314
>>723796353
>zoomers can't fathom that devs of the past aren't out to get them and how they already provided ample freedom to solving puzzles without resorting to retarded building engine gameplay
We're reaching levels of grim that are scary

>>723796051
>source?
https://www.polygon.com/2017/3/10/14869766/zelda-breath-of-the-wild-link-hat/
https://archive.is/OQwHc
>“As the graphic fidelity has increased it becomes more difficult to make that hat look cool,” said Breath of the Wild art director Satoru Takizawa in an interview during the Game Developers Conference in San Francisco. “As the game becomes more realistic it's difficult to present it in a way that's appealing.”
(this is just an amazingly retarded excuse given its low-fidelity cel-shaded artstyle)
>“we're reaching our limits as to how we can make it look cool.”
>lmao who gives a shit? are you left handed and felt "represented" and now they "took that from you"?
Well also a nod to Shigeru Miyamoto. You might not know who that is since you only started playing Nintendo around COVID, but he's the guy who created Mario and Zelda.
>this was removed because the game is voice acted.
See >>723796137
>>723796103
>You shouldn't be concerned with a series' identity being stripped away massively to appeal to larger crowds
Fuck yourself.
>It's the things that are constant that are most important to the franchise's identity.
Which you dipshits keep crying about because MUH OOT CUBESNOY.
>These are just set dressing
Yes. Set dressing is an important part of an IP's identity. Thinking otherwise is how you get cynical projects like that (thankfully cancelled) Maverick Hunter FPS for the Mega Man series.
>The original protagonists weren't even left handed to begin with.
Link was left-handed since Zelda fucking 1.

>>723796535
>building is bad because... BECAUSE IT JUST IS, OK?!
take your meds, schizo.

>>723796664
>Makes up a strawman
never said it was, just doesn't belong in zelda.

>>723796571
>article
ha ha, i didnt know that. good for them though, the hat has always looked stupid, even from the beginning. the shirt was fine though, they didnt REALLY need to change that part.
>Well also a nod to Shigeru Miyamoto.
is he left handed or something? am i supposed to keep track of everyone thats left handed? again, who gives a shit? you're grasping at the most obscure straws imaginable.
>ffx
as i said in reply to him, its awkward and stupid when they dont say the main character's name.
>a series' identity being stripped away
you're making mountains out of molehills. also, oot is not the series's identity. almost every game is very different from each other. what you're autistically fixating on as "core" is pretty small and irrelevant shit.

>>723796838
>just doesn't belong in zelda.
why not? of all of the various gimmicks they've had, why is building off limits?

>>723796535
>>>>they already provided ample freedom
oh! I didn't realize they had met their quota!

>>723796571
>the series identity revolves around a green outfit
what the fuck

>>723797215
>yeah well it was always bad anyway
And there we have it. Contempt for the series before BotW. Again.
>you're making mountains out of molehills
Says one of the cunts crying about older Zelda games having linear and lock-and-key aspects.

>>723797427
see
>>723789909

I guess I just didn't realize how important that the main character wear green and swing sword with left hand. Without that it's not even a Zelda game!

>>723759224
Exploring and understanding the world to open it up as you gain new abilities is a test if intelligence, and is more "real fun" than TotK's progression. (You trivialize the game in 15 hours)

>>723797503
>older Zelda games having linear and lock-and-key aspects
it's boring

>>723797660
yeah, you get the bombs and then there's boulders and you use the bombs on the boulders and I have a high iq

>>723797503
>contempt for the series
lmao link has always looked like a fruit. love the games though. lttp probably has the most of my time. and he has pink hair in that one!
>lock and key aspects
im not one of them. it dont mind it at all, and i have fun with the games. i can see what they mean though, but its not much different than just complaining about the simplicity of a fucking children's game. its a valid point to bring it up because its not different from the simplicity of the powers and puzzles of botw/totk.

>>723797773
Compared to TotK, this is quite taxing.

it's (ahem) wild to see nuZelda fans casually admit that everything about Zelda is freely disposable in their eyes and they don't see the issue with that

>>723790085
That's actually an interesting quote and I see what Aonuma means. The game gives everyone so many options to do things their own way. How come there's a vocal minority that claims they want the game to force them into a specific playstyle? I cannot wrap my head around it either.

>>723798058
>a children's game is taxing
ngmi

>>723798058
Ah yeah, engineering is much easier than putting a key in a hole and remembering to turn it until door click.

>>723789909
>but the hoverbike!
>but the floating platform for the signs!
or you could just NOT press the "pretend you won" button. and this is the same critique coming from the faggots praising low heart runs and content skips.

>>723798753
>trying to bypass obstacles and sanity checks meant to prevent an unintended order of operations
>having mechanics and "puzzle" design that encourage you to make shit that bypasses a great majority of it, with little to nothing thrown at you to make it a challenge
Yes These Are Definitely The Same Thing™

>>723799417
the game never encourages you to break it, it encourages you to have fun

>>723758559 (OP)
never played OoT but Tears is just BotW with worse abilities and bloat so I'll say it's inferior

>>723801187
Totk abilities are way way better.

>>723797274
Because its obviously half assed and the series would better benefit from going back to nine dungeons while maintaining openworld that don't need retarded gimmicks to solve them

>>723797371
>he's a disingenuous faggot
k.

>>723802179
The crafting mechanics are anything but half assed, you must be thinking of every other game outside of Nintendo's Zelda, where you just click through menus.

>>723802316
Where was it mentioned that I was referring to crafting mechanics?

>>723802254
your words not mine, le the older game has enough freedom

>>723802597
The fuck do you think you do in Totk. You craft equipment and devices. Don't go arguing semantics, it's Boring.