Thread 723821738

What are the downsides of PC gaming compared to PS5 / Switch 2?

schizo thread?

Too many games to play, instead of too few.

>>723821738 (OP)
im tarded
do i need to reverse the fans on the top?
my temp increases after putting fans on the top inside of the case and i think its because they are blowing in instead of out

>>723821738 (OP)
GPU pricing is an absolute clusterfuck right now, especially with Nvidia. it's pretty much mandatory for new budget PC builders to buy AMD/Intel gpus since Nvidia has gone delulu.

>playing with cheaters
>waiting 2 years to play GTA 6 alongside said cheaters
>waiting 2 years to play Sony games while paying full price for them
>you have to replace the motherboard and ram once the AM6 & DDR6 standard releases
>if you're an nvidiot you're basically forced to buy atleast x70 cards unless you like playing on 1080p with 8gb vram

>>723822591
Bottom fans suck air in, fans that are higher on the rig push air out. Alternatively you can just make all the front fans suck air in and the top/rear ones push air out.

>own gaming PC
>own console
>own Nintendo
>own phone
That's how you do it, faggot. Otherwise, you're poor and need to fuck off.

>>723821738 (OP)
you have to go through like 9-16 months of troubleshooting random shit because everyones hardware and software is just so slightly different that it causes all sorts of bugs.

>PC
>install and launch game
>crashes and shader compilation errors, have to update graphics drivers
>have to spend an hour in the graphics settings to get the right balance of performance and visual fidelity
>updates can brick your computer or make a game stop working at anytime
>painful and frequent troubleshooting

>console
>install and launch game
>it just works

>>723821738 (OP)
There are literally no downsides.

You get access to ALL games, you can use ALL controllers ever made, can utilize any and all screen devices of any size/ res/ refresh rate/ et cetera, don't need to pay for online gaming, can host your own servers, mod and tweak your games to your liking, fix and upgrade your hardware and software when and how you please, and effortlessly multitask and create content on the same device. All while you get the best prices on the games.

>b-b-b-butt muh initial costs!
You can build or buy a good entry-level PC for roughly 500-600 bucks.
That's LESS than Piss5 and Shits2 cost in many regions.

>>723823157
>own console
Why? What games exist that are on console and not on PC in 2 years max? Don't tell me you're some kind of fomosexual who has to play the latest slop right now.

>>723821738 (OP)
price
no cheap physical games
multiplayer cheaters
thats about it.

>>723823674
You have to understand the FOMO-brainwashed ADHD zoomers. They MUST join the initial "buzz" of a new game; they're not really interested in playing vidya, just shitposting about them on social media.

>>723823726
>no cheap physical games
It's not 2005 no more, toddler.
And Nintendo is literally banning people for playing used Switch 2 games these days. You WILL own nothing, and recycle nothing.

>expensive to build at first
> too many games
>worry about virus
>different pc setups run games different
thats about it

>>723822809
so can i just flip the fans?
I looks like they have screws on either side

>>723823474
>PC
>install and launch game
>it just works
>game look great on default settings. Ability to spend 20 minutes tweaking graphics and performance to perfection if you wish. Can also just look up [game] [your GPU] best settings
>it just works
>occasionally slightly more trouble than on console in exchange for more freedom and actually owning your games

>console
>pay more for the game + mandatory online subscription + tax + tip
>install and launch game
>doesn't work
>can't refund because the platform is run by greedy jews

>>723822171
>>723822606
>>723823726
These.

>>723823726
>price
Only up front. Consoles lure you in with cheap up front prices and bleed you dry with online subscriptions and more expensive games. Don't tell me you're some kind of nigger who is unable to consider and plan for the future.
>no cheap physical games
Instead PC has cheap or free digital games.
>multiplayer cheaters
With crossplay this isn't a PC only issue anymore. Besides, on console everyone is using aimbot.

>>723821738 (OP)
The sheer freedom and superiority of the platform will overload inferior snoy and tendie brains, causing them to have a painful aneurysm and seizures, only to ultimately pass away.

>>723821738 (OP)
>much higher power consumption on PC despite games between PC and Switch virtually look and play the same in a majority of cases
>PC ports of Japanese console games are mostly barebones, sometimes with issues that aren't even present on Switch (and other consoles)
>Japanese import games are easily more accessible for purchase unlike on PC (which usually require a VPN, and even then Steam may not appreciate this method for instance).
I've been a PC user for a little over two decades prior, while occasionally playing on consoles. Nowadays I'm a full consolefag, only giving PC attention for a single game once a year.
>>723823157
>That's how you do it, faggot.
Nintendo is a console though, and I don't see the point in owning multiple devices if the games that personally interest you just overlap.
In my case, there are far enough games to keep me busy on Switch, while I have a phone for retro emulation when I sometimes want to play an old PS1 or PSP title.
>>723823857
>And Nintendo is literally banning people for playing used Switch 2 games these days. You WILL own nothing, and recycle nothing.
Nah you're confusing with used Switch 1 games if they were tampered whatsoever for piracy (because of license keys), and if the pirate is selling those games back in the marketplace (without warning any potential buyer). Switch 2 has yet to have a homebrew exploit for the problem to happen on Switch 2 games.

>>723824646
>much higher power consumption on PC
I'm sorry that you're a thirdie, but no one actually gives a shit about this

>>723822606
Is it tho? To me, it feels always the same, even in this 2nd world shithole. In 2015 I bought 960 for around 1/3 of average wage. Last year I bought 4070s for slightly over 1/3 of average wage still.

I cannot imagine it being really that much worse among firstworlders. Msrp of 5080 is $1000 and quick Google search is telling me that average monthly wage in the US is like $6k. Thats 1/6 of average wage. Doesnt seem really that bad. And I am not talking about scalpers. I've never had to deal with them and I hope I'll never have to.

To me it feels like the only ones being mad about the gpu prices are 3rd worlders who have to take mortgages for them or 1st worlders who just want some reason to get mad today.

>>723825042
Electricity bills exploded in Europe, but even then I don't see the point of a machine that runs up at like 200~250 watts when a small console does essentially the same job (for what I play) at 20w.
While that's just one argument point amongst others, this one in particular just prove the diminishing returns with the supposedly more powerful hardware in games.

>>723824646
>power consumption
That's a non issue. It's by far the cheapest aspect of gaming. Your fridge and freezer use more power than any PC does and they're on 24/7
>PC ports of Japanese console games are mostly barebones
True, but only compared to other PC games. They usually still have more features than their console ports.
>Japanese import games are easily more accessible for purchase unlike on PC
Eh, at that point I say just pirate. If they're not gonna accept my money as is, I won't jump through hoops to give it to them.

>>723823910
>expensive to build at first
500 eurobucks gets you a fine R5 5600X + RTX 3060 build these days.
300 gets ya an older-gen gaming laptop.

For comparison, PS5 Pro is 800€ in my region, while Switch 2 goes for 600€. Both of their games are 70-80€ a pop (+ online subscription fee) !

>too many games
Yeah, this is a legit issue.
Luckily, I'm picky.
>worry about virus
What is this, 1999?
>different pc setups run games different
Well duh, but that's why you got GAME SETTINGS.

>>723821738 (OP)
It's not worth it unless you buy an expensive PC.

>>723826026
Define "expensive".

Even without waiting for your reply, I can assure you that even a very modest, budget-build PC would easily BTFO any console when it comes to costs, performance, gaming library size, and general opportunities when it comes to content creation and daily tasks. Plus you can always upgrade your build, piece by piece, later on.

>>723826187
Your modest budget build PC will have the same issues you claim a console has.

>>723821738 (OP)
Up front costs will be higher, you'll have to tinker a bit more and learn have some troubleshooting skills, but I think it's worth it in exchange for having total control over your experience.

>>723821738 (OP)
Pc is superior to a consoile and you can pirate stuff to balance the tax theft from Valv*
A switch just to own their fun games

>>723826314
It does not. I should know, I just upgraded my 12 year old warhorse with more modern, 2020s hardware for that 550 Euros, late last year.

SH2 de-make and MGS3 Delta for example are ~30fps stutter fests on the consoles, even on "performance" mode, where as I can indeed net steady 60, at native, non-upscaled 1200p res.
I do however advise against playing and supporting the modern Unreal 5 trash, which does not represent the average gaming requirements.

The Yakuza titles for example easily max out at 120fps, and any 'n all e-sports slop could easily run at >200 frames per second on low-end RTX card.
And using the original game as a metric, I expect Death Stranding 2 to run flawlessly as well on a very modest hardware setup.

Last but not least:
None of the consoles will be playing the OTHER consoles' first-party exclusives, where as PC can indeed emulate most if not all of them.

>>723826836
>1920x1200
lol

You have a PC barely worth gaming on.

>>723826752
>A switch just to own their fun games
Shitch has been obsolete for the past 8 years, NintoddIer.

The downsides would be missing everything Nintendo and might have to wait 1-2 years for GTA 6

>>723826974
I'm sorry for not playing at the cinematic 792p (actually 360p) and 24fps "console quality", Snoygger sama!

>>723826187
I'm from Argentina, a Switch 2 costs me 3 thousand pesos and is sold locally meanwhile a 5060 needs to be imported and costs 467 thousand pesos, yes you read it right, 467 thousand

>>723827007
>The downsides would be missing everything Nintendo
LOL!
LMAO!!

>>723827175
1. Stop buying latest hardware.
2. Look into used market.
3. Nvidia is not the only manufacturer, nor the budget build option.

Hell, 5060 literally performs WORSE than the 3000-series' counterparts.

>>723821738 (OP)
Price.

>>723827191
can I play ranked pokemon za with your emulator? yeah thought so

>>723827271
>can I play ranked pokemon za with your emulator?
You fags now WANT to play this Pajeet-mon shit? Disingenuous, inhuman poster, if I ever saw one.

Also, that crap is a Switch 1 game, so it's technically 1-2 generations late to the party as we speak.

>>723827091
I'm not. You are.

>>723827473
nice emulator footage jeet

>>723827542
I'm not a Piss 5 player, kiddo.

>>723828020
Straight from the source, kiddo.

>>723821738 (OP)
The size of your penis and balls can be annoyingly big

>>723828098
>I'm not a Piss 5 player, kiddo.
You have a PC which struggles playing youtube videos. lol

>>723828138
>playing the DEmake
>ever
kys, jeetie.

>>723828291
Remake is a much better game. I have access to both. I don't play the old shit version.

>>723828291
Sour grapes.

>>723828418
Good goy

>>723828563
are you jewish?

>>723828418
The demake is an all around downgrade, that butchers the gameplay, and especially the art-style, world building and atmosphere.
The VA and OST were raped the hardest.

>>723827007
>GTA 6
Kek. The absolute normalfaggotriest of normalfag games. Being excited for this slop is a 100% accurate test for if someone has a soul or not.

>>723828680
>I prefer the low resolution 30fps version
because you're a poorfag

>>723828738
I love how the Snoy-shills cannot decide whether PC gaming is a "posh richfag waste of money", or a "pathetic poorfag club".

None the less, I run the game at native 4K, real 60fps, with none of the censorship, woke-shit and butchered art of the BlueBalls' demake.

>>723827175
>turd worldoid
You should maybe focus on saving up so you can move somewhere actual humans live. Actually on second thought, please stay as far away from me and other humans as possible. We don't need your kind shitting up the PC market either.

>>723828894
>he can run a PS3 game at 4k
holy shit. You must have a super computer anon. tell me more about your godlike silicone gaming machine

>>723828963
It's nothing really.
Oldass Ryzen 7 3700 + 8GB RTX 3060 + 32GB DDR4.
You could already run many PS3 games on the even more ancient Intel i7-2600K + GTX 1060 a few years ago. Pic very related.

The only hassle is the initial shader compilation, but thanks to the async compilation + more recent hardware, that's really a nothing burger.

>>723829210
that PC is dreadful. You really have no business trying to shit on a console with that "pc" lol

>>723828629
Thank god, no. Just stating things as they are.

>>723829298
This PC makes consolitards seethe, has more games than the consoles, AND cost less than the nogames-toyboxes. I'd say it's a win-win-win for me.

>>723829497
No it doesn't. Nobody is envious of your PC.

>>723821738 (OP)
>compared to PS5
There are no downsides.

>compared to Switch
A PC is not portable. That's the only downside.

>>723825583
Yikes. I'm rolling like 1000w on high end games/ai gen at 7.3 cents per kwh.

>>723821738 (OP)
You can view porn in between matches.

>>723829497
Kek I'm rolling a i5-3570k with an Rx 580 I slapped together for like $100 (granted I had 32gb old ram lying around) I use for ps3 emulation

>>723823673
the downside is having to deal with windows (jeeted) or linux (troonified).
And also missing out on nintendo exclusives.

Besides "higher" price (Honesly not really if the PS5Pro is like 800 bucks) nothing.
You'll need a PC for work stuff and media creation like video editing, reports so might as well just get a PC.
Then you can pirate stuff, play porn games, emulation, mods, as well as use whatever controller you want.

>>723821738 (OP)
You need to be white and have a job to afford one that can actually run games, and need some basic level of tech literacy, and that filters out 95% of /v/.

>>723831596
On console you have to deal with microsoft (jeeted), sony (troonified) or nintendo (kiked). I hate troons, but Linux works for me, doesn't get in my way, and I've never had to see a single piece to troon propaganda on my PC. I really couldn't care if some of the maintainers are troons. Everything goes through Linus (a Straight White Man) anyway before it gets to my PC.
>nintendo exclusives
>I MUST PLAY THE LATEST GAMES AS SOON AS THEY RELEASE I CAN'T WAIT 3 WHOLE YEARS FOR AN EMULATOR TO BE AVAILABLE I NEED MY LATEST INJECTION OF GOYSLOP DIRECTLY INTO MY VEINS NOW

>>723832329
>I MUST PLAY THE LATEST GAMES AS SOON AS THEY RELEASE I CAN'T WAIT 3 WHOLE YEARS
correct. Why would I want to wait 3 years to play a game when a console costs very little money?

>>723821738 (OP)
That‘s pretty simple anon. After the ps3 era I switched to pc and got a ps5 again.
I will not touch the muh specs, muh building, muh bios updates etc.
>there was no real upscaler for me. Means I have a 4k screen, which I use for work, but I couldn‘t play games at 1440p and just upscale them. This almost never worked. With the new cards it is hopefully possible
>I used an old x360 controller with an adapter, but once the controller disconnected, I needed to close the game and restart it so the controller worked again. Especially annoying, when you chill in bed and need to stand up hundreds of times
>fiddling with settings is annoying as fuck. Is this the perfect graphics preset, is the fps here good? Watch 5min tech demo (if there is one) to see about your fps
>some games need mods to even work properly, like nierA. And then your controller needs to be paired again
>ps4/5 you have a headphone jack, not sure if works also on pc.
>no platinum trophies
>after 8 hours of work I didn‘t want to sit further there and play vidya
>borderless suddenly doesn‘t work anymore

Then I got a ps5 and played all the ps4 games I missed. In the 1 year I had my
ps5 I probably played more vidya than on my pc in 5 years.

>>723832748
You may have had a point with the switch 1, but switch 2 isn't cheap. Why do you have so little impulse control you can't wait a couple years to be able to play all nintendo games for free? You're not a nigger, are you? There's this thing called the marshmallow test, and based on what you've said, I don't think you'd pass.

>>723833517
Emulation is bullshit though. It’s not viable for the vast majority of people.


Why would you ever be okay with waiting that long? I thought pc cattle were drowning in money. Why not just buy a console?

>>723833517
>but switch 2 isn't cheap.
>You're not a nigger, are you?
No. But you clearly are.

>>723832762
>With the new cards it is hopefully possible
It's too possiblex meaning developers have started to rely on it as a crutch instead of optimising their games. Same thing on your ps5. You think it's actually running at 4k? More like upscaled 720p.
>controller
Controller support on PC is pretty much perfect now. Basically as simple as console, but with much more powerful remapping options if needed.
>fiddling with settings
I typically just look up [game] [my GPU] best settings and apply those.
>some games need mods to even work properly
Sure, but that's only for very old games that you'd have trouble running on console too.
>headphone jack
Am I understanding this correctly? Do you think you can't use headphones on PC?
>platinum trophies
Never used a playstation so don't know what exactly is special about those, but Steam has achievements and you get a nice badge if you 100% a game.
>after 8 hours of work I didn‘t want to sit further there and play vidya
That's fair. The same HDMI cable you use to plug your console to your TV also works with a PC.

Another console war thread?

I really like just downloading/putting in the game and playing. But I guess not wasting time makes me a “peasant”. Since, you know, peasants work a high-end job for lots of money and whose time is valuable, right?

>>723833517
>if you have money, you’re black
Kinda weird. When did this line of rhetoric kick off?

>>723833517
>There's this thing called the marshmallow test, and based on what you've said, I don't think you'd pass.
Why would anyone need to pass the test?

>>723833776
>vast majority of people
Yes. Normalcattle are retarded. You're smart enough to drag a file to the emulator folder though, right?
>Why would you ever be okay with waiting that long?
There's other games I can play in the meantime, and I'll get the definitive version of those games.
>drowning in money
I could afford a switch 2, and I'm not totally opposed to getting one at some point, especially if it gets hacked, but I can also just wait.
>>723834034
>>but switch 2 isn't cheap.
>>You're not a nigger, are you?
>No. But you clearly are.
Spending unecessary money is the mindset of a nigger. A White Man is able to think past his impulses and consider whether he actually needs something. As a result, his wealth grows over time. A nigger will blow his money on useless shit the moment he gets any and thus remain perpetually poor.
>>723834382
See above.

>>723834630
It's a test of character. It's about whether you can pass on a small reward now (one marshmallow) for a promised larger reward later (multiple marshmallows). If you don't see the ability to pass it as a sign of good character, you're most likely a nigger.

>>723834636
>Spending unecessary money is the mindset of a nigger.
I don't take financial advice off people who think a console is expensive and has to get free games.

>A White Man is able to think past his impulses and consider whether he actually needs something. As a result, his wealth grows over time.
How do you know? You think a console is expensive?

>A nigger will blow his money on useless shit the moment he gets any and thus remain perpetually poor.
I see. So you think not buying a console and some games makes you rich?

>>723822606
the used market exists and because pc gaming is bigger and more international than ever, so are the products on offer. you can build a pc way more powerful than a ps5 pro for the same price or less in some cases if you keep tabs on the used market. like the 7400f and 7500f on aliexpress or the bargain 3080's which flooded the market.

>>723834790
Why does it apply to me? I can buy a console without worrying about my bank account balance. Waiting has no benefit.

>>723834636
Nobody is going to wait on GTA 6 though. The hype is going to be overwhelming

You will own nothing and you will be happy is the downside. But if you're willing to be a slave to digital licenses then PC is perfect for you.

>>723831596
windows is better than anything on console. is this a serious post? when people complain about windows they aren't somehow suggesting the shitty walled garden of a ps5 is better. even windows at its worst is better than the garbage OS you're provided on a ps5. you can't even use the ps2 emulator to run your own games. you can on windows.

nintendo exclusives i'll give you because there's little chance they'll be on pc.

>>723835260
>you can't use pc stuff on a console
is this your newsflash moment?

>>723835391
since we've established that using a console is inferior to using windows, how is windows a downside when the shit you get on a playstation is even worse? you're literally paying more money to have less features on a console. not being forced into a paid subscription to play online isn't "pc stuff".

>>723822171
I'd rather have too many games than no games

>>723834878
>You think a console is expensive?
It's not gonna break the bank for me, but the cost:need ratio just isn't good enough, especially since current gen consoles are factually more expensive than older ones.
>So you think not buying a console and some games makes you rich
More so the mindset in general, and not rich rich, but better off than those with a different mindset.
>>723835019
So can I, but I won't since I don't really need it, and with the way the economy is going, it's smart to have a little saved up, even more so than usual.
>>723835148
>Nobody is going to wait on GTA 6 though. The hype is going to be overwhelming
I know. I'll let the normalcattle burn their money on nigger simulator 2026.

>>723835215
PC is the only platform that allows you to actually own your games.

>>723835819
You’ll be waiting at least 2 years probably. Society could end by then too

>>723821738 (OP)
Fortnite on PC has worse optimization than the PS versions.

>>723835978
Oh well. I've got enough games to last me until then.

>>723835819
>More so the mindset in general, and not rich rich, but better off than those with a different mindset.
So your mindset doesn't work. It's just an excuse you use when you can't buy something.
> it's smart to have a little saved up
right. so why shouldn't people spend the money they've saved up on things they want?

>>723835894
>buying games on steam means you own them

>>723835530
>you're paying more
>you have to pay
it's all about money isn't it?

>>723836218
>what is GOG
>what are cracks

not only do you not own your own games on console, they don't even give you the privilege of owning your own saves anymore. you can back up your ps4 game saves to usb, on a ps5, but can't do the same with ps5 games on a ps5. there's nothing stopping them from allowing it but they want to force you into their cloud saves subscription garbage. this shouldn't even be a discussion.

>>723836446
>>what is GOG
A pile of shite
>>what are cracks
not owning a game

>>723836363
the literal only argument for a console is cost. otherwise it's as much use as a door stop when compared to literally any pc of equivalent performance or better.

>>723821738 (OP)
Some titles don't release on pc. I wish UFC games got PC versions.

>>723821738 (OP)
I wish I had a clean house like this. If I owned that PC it would be filled with dust and turned brown within 2 days. Idk where all this fucking dust comes from, I guess it doesn't help my house is like 100 yrs old.

>>723836589
the only people mentioning costs are PC owners who are so brake they buy a PC to pirate games.

>>723824046
Yes

>>723836650
if cost isn't a factor pc is still better. what's your point?

>>723821738 (OP)
when the devs dont really care about pc and you get a bad port

>>723836785
My point is all you go on about are costs.

>>723836873
pc is better regardless. even a shit e-sports pc has better performance than a ps5 nowadays. and more freedom over the user experience.

>>723837053
You just can't accept that some people enjoy consoles can you? You have to push some PC superiority all the time.
What PC do you have?

>>723821738 (OP)
higher upfront cost but it's made up by greater performance and the ability to pirate, depending on how many games you play owning a PC could be actually cheaper depending on how many games you play and how much you could save by pirating

>>723836218
>buying games on steam means you own them
I can take my steam copies and move the files to a different directory. If I do that I will be able to continue playing them even if Steam dies or revokes my license for that game (something that's never happened afaik)
>>723836518
>>>what are cracks
>not owning a game
Cracks on PC are literally as close as you can get to owning a game. You can:
Freely play them as intended
Freely make more copies of them
Freely share them to other people
Modify them for personal use
Even sell them (assuming you find someone gullible enough to buy them off you)
You literally can not own games on console for the simple reason that sony, microsoft or nintendo is in charge of the hardware and dictates whether you can play your games or not.

>>723837275
on a console you just buy the disc and put it in and play. it's not difficult. You don't have to lie to yourself that Steam is going to host your games forever or that cracking games means you own them.

>>723837163
you're basically admitting that if you were given a selection of fine foods to eat, you'd willingly rather eat shit out of the toilet, despite knowing it's significantly worse in literally every single way. i can accept stupid people exist, yes. i expect it.

>>723837405
Why didn't you tell me what PC you have?

If you can't touch it you don't own it. It's that shrimple.

>>723836807
Console ports are just as bad, but you don't hear about it because consoletards have no standards. PC includes a built in IQ filter in the form of having to do the bare minimum research on parts. As a result PCHADS have some standards and call out bad ports. In the inferior mind of the consoletard this creates an illusion that PC ports are bad and console ports good because they only ever hear complaints from one side.

>>723837379
>or that cracking games means you own them.
how does having all the files locally on your own system and having the ability to modify those files to your hearts content not mean you own it?

>>723837497
What PC does such a PCChad have?

>>723837554
so shoplifting counts too?

>>723837439
i have several pc's. that's a dumb question.

>>723837630
it's so dumb that you've refused to answer it twice.

>>723821738 (OP)
Choke on freedom.

>>723821738 (OP)
none except that it may take longer to get PS5 games, less so for switch 2 apparently?

handheld + pc is the way to go

>>723837379
On a console, when you click play, the first thing that happens is that the console checks if you have a license to play that game. If the sony, ms or nintendo decides to revoke that license, your disk becomes a paperweight. On PC games can be played elsewhere than through Steam and there's no impassable license verification step. Tell me, how is being shackled to a large corporation and being unable to modify your games owning them? At best, you don't own your games on either PC or console. There's no world where console is better in this regard.

>>723837776
I don't know anyone who has had a console blocked. If I had mine blocked I would just buy another

>>723837652
which ps5 do you have?

>>723837570
RTX 3060 Ti + Ryzen 5 3600. A bit dated admittedly, but can still keep up with current gen consoles in graphics, and BTFOs them in every other aspect.

>>723837858
A white fat one without a drive

>>723837883
can that even play games?

>>723837776
you get account blocked now. they don't just block the console.

>>723837893
which playstation consoles do you own?

I builted this PC yesterday:

>started as pic related, i3 12100, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD
>dropped an extra 512GB SSD and 8GB RAM stick in it
>dropped a 500 watt power supply and RX 6600 XT in it

All total it cost me $405. Do I get to laugh at console people with you guys now?

>>723837843
I don't know anyone who's had Steam ban them either. PC is more resilient to this unlikely scenario, though.
>If I got assraped I would just let them go for round 2
Kek. The perfect slave.

>>723838023
I've just told you. Digital

>>723838071
so ps5 is the only playstation you've ever owned?

>>723837926
Very well. Certainly more than your nogamestation.

>>723838110
Noi. I've owned most consoles since the PS1

>>723822591
Just follow >>723822809 's picture. Especially if your CPU is air cooled. If your CPU is liquid cooled, then you can improve CPU cooling by having the radiator at the intake so that it is being fed cool air, but the downsides of that is that everything else in the case will heat up more. It also might be obnoxious to mount the radiator someplace where you want an intake to be. But honestly just follow that guy's image. That will be good enough.

There is one more detail that is important if your processor is liquid cooled. Do you see that bit on the right side of the radiator where the tubes connect to the radiator? It's directly adjacent to the red rectangle labeled "exhaust". Pay close attention to where it's at.
>Your processor\waterblock should NEVER be the highest point in the system.
>when mounting the radiator vertically, those tubes should be at the BOTTOM.
Pic related.

This is because there are some air bubbles within the loop. If you position the radiator correctly, then those bubbles will collect in a harmless spot within the radiator where you'll never need to give a fuck about them. But if you don't follow those instructions then at best you'll hear obnoxious gurgling sounds and at worst it will negatively impact your cooling.

>>723838128
Why lie mr PCChad with a 3060ti
lol

>>723838146
how are all those ps1, 2 and 3 games running on ps5?

>>723838027
What are you playing?

Having to play garbage like this

>>723838194
Why would I want to play ps1 ps2 and ps3 games?

>>723838235
why did you buy those consoles then?

>>723838195
So far Cyberpunk, RPCS3 and Yuzu
They all seem to run pretty great

>>723838274
I bought them when they were current. Are you a retard?
What PC do you have?

>>723838232
Meanwhile, PIS5 exclusives:

>>723838027
it would probably play all the games i like

I swear to god I just learned this month that every console has monthly subscriptions now (I haven't owned a console since the Wii)
How the fuck do consolefags live with that, why don't they riot?

>>723838390
Wrong, chuddie
Behold

>>723838303
so you bought them because you wanted to play them, but you also think not being able to play them on a ps5 is some kind of privilege? are you sure you weren't dropped on your head as a baby? my main pc has a 4080

>>723838027
You didn't built that retard
Dell built it

>>723838498
I bought them years ago and don't wish to play them any more as they're too dated and play like shit.
What PC do you have?

>>723838480
Everyone in UK plays on PC though

When was the last time a pcfaggot touched a physical game? 2007? LMAAAAOOO

>>723838539
>i'm glad sony don't allow me to play them because i don't want to play them anyway
so you're saying it's a privilege that sony aren't allowing you to play them on a ps5

I'm still debating whether to buy a pc or a ps5 pro

PC to play in 1440p
>at least $1500 + peripherals. In my third world country, that's 3 minimum wages

>PS5 pro to play in 4k
$800 + I can sell my old ps4 and a decent 4k 120 fps tv costs around $300 with deals so $1100 in total

The thing is that you have to buy the ps5 games and they're expensive af compared to steam games so in the long run it may be more costly. I really can't decide

pc games seem to always be more unstable (though the gulf has narrowed on this as console games are getting pretty unstable these days too)

lack of split screen would be the main thing

lack of physical media

multiplayer games seem to be far worse with hackers

>>723838485
I can't tell if those are multiple games or just one. In any case, they're most likely on PC too, if not yet, then in a year or 2.

>>723838626
I'm saying that I don't give a fuck that I can't play them. If I wanted to play them I'd buy a PS1 , PS2 or PS3.
Is that all you can play on your PC? PS3 era games?

>>723838232
You don't have to play that if you don't want to. PC gets basically every game now. Only real exception is nintendo.

>>723838636
>PS5 pro to play in 4k
Should we tell him

>>723838636
Buy the add on drive and buy used discs.

>>723838805
144 upscaled to 4k is 4k

>>723838715
so what you're saying is, you think going out of your way to buy an old console to play an old game is better than just downloading or emulating the game on any modern pc? the more you reply the more you're exposing yourself as a shill kek

>>723838602
>physical game
What's the point? Digital is superior in every way.

>>723838878
I'm saying that I don't care about playing some shit old games.
Is that your entire point?
>you can't play old shit games nerr nerr
I played those old games when they released. Why would I want to replay them again?

>>723838602
Beaches leave.

>>723838636
I'm a proponent of PC gaming.
>no extra subscription for online play
>you can use the PC for work and other non-gaming tasks
>if your PC breaks, you can probably fix it by replacing the broken parts. If your console breaks, you're probably fucked.
>there's simply more games for PC. Especially since a lot of good games worthy of your time are old ones.
>emulation can let you enjoy console classics
>I won't advocate piracy, but I know it happens

>>723838636
Honestly just go with PC. If you're a turd worlder, just go full pirate and you'll pay off the extra cost in 2 or 3 years.

>>723838805
>PC to play in 4k
should we tell him?

>>723838646
>physical media
Again, what's the point?

>>723837379
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCK
>INB4 "B-But that's digital"
I don't want to pay $400 for Devil Survivor 2, thanks.

>>723838956
the point isn't whether you'd want to play them again. even if you don't care about how low are your expectations that you won't expect sony to at least offer that feature considering they literally sell you emulated ps1,2 and 3 games as part of their most expensive subscription tier and they stream the ps3 games. you can't even acknowledge you're being robbed. either that or you're in pure denial. use this as a wake up call already.

>>723821738 (OP)
>Extreme cost difference, especially up front
>Regardless of what people say, games don't always "just work" on PC, especially ports of older games; you may have to fiddle with settings or config files to get something working.
>Local area multiplayer is more cumbersome.

>>723838805
I have a capture card which shows you the resolution and frame rate of each console game.

>>723839285
You don't own the console and are more bothered about playing some shit PS2 game than I am.

>oh no. My old AGP Voodoo2 card won't work with my i7 CPU

>>723821738 (OP)
As many have said, cheaters, if you play MP games.
Another downside is if you are poor but save up for a PC. A console breaking sucks. Something breaking with your PC is devastating.

>>723839384
the source output will always be 4k, you realise that right? even when consoles are using upscaling.

>>723839384
That's not real 4k though. It's upscaled from 720p.

>>723839516
nope. some games are 1440p 90fps etc

>>723839480
what makes you think i don't own a ps5? i can own something and still think it's complete shit and should be avoided

>>723839539
you mean like PC games are?

>>723839601
Mald.

>>723839587
I don't care if you own a PS5 or not. You're making a huge song and dance over a bunch of 10 year old games. I can only assume your PC can only run games of that era

>>723839558
unless your card is hdmi 2.1, all high refresh rate content will be 1440p because hdmi 2.0 can't do 4k120 and neither can the capture cards so the console will automatically change resolution to 1440p.

>>723839647
impressive for 6gb vram

>>723839512
How exactly? With a PC, you only need to replace the broken part. It can be (and often is) as simple as buying new RAM or some other cheap part. Even if it's the GPU, you only need to replace that instead of the whole PC. If your console breaks, you either buy a new one or take it to someone to repair which is gonna cost like 2/3rds of a new one anyway, even if it's a cheap part that shit the bed.

>>723839670
it's already been mentioned that a ps5 equivalent pc will outperform a ps5. goes for all new games.

>>723839815
>just buy a PC equivalent
no. Why buy a low spec PC?

>>723839601
Sure, if and only if you set it that way in the graphics settings. You can also just play native. Consoles straight up don't give you that option. Even the "quality mode" is still upscaled most of the time, just from a base resolution of 1080p or maybe 1440p instead of 720p.

>>723839854
not the ps5. the capture card. the capture card needs to support hdmi 2.1 passthrough. if it doesn't, it doesn't matter if the ps5 or tv support hdmi 2.1.

>>723839917
Because it's still better than a cucksole in other areas besides graphics/performance.

>>723839937
So what you're saying is that my PS5 is running higher than 4k 60hz so the capture card has to lower the bandwidth to 1440p?

>>723839558
That'll tell you the signal output but it wont tell you what they're rendered at and upscaled to if that indeed happens in a game you're testing.

Consoles do a massive amount of lower quality sampling in order to get 60fps or 4k, whether that be textures, filtering, number of rays for ray tracing, reflection resolution etc.

>>723839917
that's not how i define a ps5 equivalent. games require certain amounts of vram, cores etc so a ps5 equivalent today will be something with 6-8 cores, 12-16gb vram etc. you can't buy pc components as shit as a ps5 anymore. even the shittest ryzen cpu of today massively out performs a ps5 laptop zen 2 cpu.

>>723840081
You mean stuff which a phone can do?

>>723840112
So do PCs.

>>723840116
I'm sure games designed to run on a PS5 will run on a PS5

>>723840087
yes. if your capture card isn't hdmi 2.1. you're effectively limiting your own experience because the image on your tv will be worse than just plugging the ps5 directly into it.

>>723821738 (OP)
It is needlessly complicated and frustrating dealing with settings and making sure your hardware is working properly.

Try hooking your PC up to a TV and trying to use it as a console replacement. Getting it to work on your monitor when you are using it as a PC and on your TV when you are using it to play games will make you want to throw it through a window with the amount of fucking around with display and audio settings you have to do to get it to work right. Adding a controller is also a pain in the ass.

PC gaming is complete garbage if you are looking for an easy pain-free gaming experience like a console. Pretty pathetic that they haven't made it work even in 2025.

>>723840226
I can't tell the difference to be honest.

>>723840204
games also run at min spec on toaster pc's while providing all the extra user freedom you'd expect from a pc. if running a game is all that matters, how is ps5 better than pc again?

>>723821738 (OP)
playing on consoles tends to turn you into a faggot brand loyalist, a pc is just a pc

>>723840407
that's why this thread is full of PC owners shitting on consoles due to their insecurity

>>723840169
You can always tell when somebody doesn’t know shit about consoles. Anybody who thinks they’re bad is a salty pc cattle faggot that is on here because their pc is constantly broken

>>723840289
just return the capture card.

>>723840517
Why? I don't require over 4k 60fps because if I upload to youtube that caps out at 4k 60fps.

>>723838186
Not the other anon but how retard friendly is water cooling? I've always been scared I might fuck something up.

>>723840262
i pretty much exclusively use my pc to play on my tv and it's a smooth experience. the most i have to do is turn on the tv and make it the main monitor, and then changing the audio to my wireless headset. takes about 10 seconds all together.

>>723840169
No, with PCs you choose your settings and hardware to get a balance and visuals that are based on your preferences and available cash.

You can use something like DLSS if you want, but you can turn that off and play at native res.

If you can't change things like reflection resolution in the menu because the developers are morons, usually you can do that in the games console or conf files directly, or if not there you can get mods to do it.

>>723840721
I don't touch settings on PC games. Same as I don't touch settings on console games.

>>723821738 (OP)
Money. Also comfyness depending on who you ask because you're at a desk instead of on a couch or in bed.

>>723838636
PS5 Pro isn't a replacement for a PC, at all. I love mine but it's not nearly as impressive as I had hoped. It's great for playing games that have garbage PC ports though and if you want to be comfy. I also really came to like the built in capture features. Like yeah we have that on PC but it is a lot more well integrated into PS5. PC has a higher upfront cost but you will get residual value through the years. Which I'm sure is essential as a thirdie. You can scrape by for years on parts like RAM, mobo, SSD, PSU, fans, mouse, keyboard, and case. Motherboard being highly dependent on the cycle of CPU releases relative to its socket type. The days of
>a socket change a year keeps the goyim in fear

from Intel are over, sockets and CPUs will see service for much longer in the future. My PSU is literally over a decade old and I didn't even over spec that hard. Also the obvious there is literally no shortage of FREE and cheap PC games. PS5 games go on sale pretty regularly now a days after a month or two though if you don't buy into fomo, but maybe it's different in your shithole country.

>>723840750
based retard

>>723841190
I don't have to. Nvidia sets everything to max.

>>723821738 (OP)
they're both a scam for gaming so I'm not sure, I guess if you want to sit on the couch a console is better

>>723823673
How are you not getting stutters.
I have an 4070 and a 5900x.
Is there something like a patch or a shader pack that I need?
Or is it because the game is located on my hdd?

>>723823285
Just click two buttons to update your drivers.

Bro is that the best you got? Seriously you have to be retarded if this is the con that out weighs all the pros of using a pc

>>723821738 (OP)
Freedom, too many games, cheaper games, free internet games, mods, steam

>>723823474
Dang the pc gives you so many options that it takes an hour to go through the settings? Damn sounds like i can tweak it just the way i want it
Thanks anon!

>>723841039
>Money. Also comfyness depending on who you ask because you're at a desk instead of on a couch or in bed.

Can these meme's die. Nothing about a PC requires a chair and desk, you can run cables to a TV, or cast/stream to devices in bed. I have a home theatre with a massive projector instead of a TV, and play on the sofa with that using wireless controllers.

Money depends on how many games you buy, console business model is to sell hardware at cost or at a loss to trap you into their eco system, where they take royalties from game sales, which the developers of the games just pass on to the customer with higher game prices.

The same quality PC will be more expensive slightly, but the cost of the games is cheaper so which ends up being more expensive in the long run depends on how many games you buy. If you buy a lot, the consoles are more expensive easily.

>>723821738 (OP)
too many games

too much freedom

not being able to give nintendo your hard earned shekels

>>723824646
>despite games between PC and Switch virtually look and play the same
This is jist bait

>>723821738 (OP)
No risk of viruses on consoles.

Steam really needs a built-in sandbox for low tier games.

>>723828963
Can the ps5 do that?

>>723829298
What's wrong with his build? It should be able to run anything better than the current consoles. And it has the added utility of being a device you can use for work

>>723840605
That depends. I'm going to assume that you're going to use an All in One cooler (AIO) instead of creating a fancy custom loop.

IMO the act of physically installing an AIO is physically easier than an air cooler since waterblocks are easier to manhandle than enormous heatsinks, but there is a longer checklist of details with an AIO that you want to check.
>Make sure that the radiator will fit
This sounds simple, but it's embarassing if you fuck it up. Bigger radiators are better at cooling. The case should have documentation about what it supports.
>Orient the radiator properly
Just follow that picture that I posted in the last message.
>read the fucking manual before you start
Before you install the processor, you should familiarize yourself with how the radiator will attach to the case before you install anything. Practice mounting the radiator before you commit to the full installation.

Once you're mounting everything for real, it's easier to start with the waterblock first and then mount the radiator. Have a friend hold the radiator nearby to relieve tension on the tubes while you're screwing the waterblock in.
>before you install everything, make sure that the fans are pointed the right way
Just double check.
>be careful which motherboard headers that you plug the wires into
READ THE FUCKING MANUAL for both the cooler and case. Modern mobos have a specific header for waterblocks. The fans go into a fan header. The distinciton is that waterblocks want to run at full speed 24/7, but fans ramp up or down in intensity depending on how hot things are going. So just make sure that you don't go plugging the waterblock's pump into a fan header. With older hardware you'll probably have an adapter to just plug it into a wire coming off of the power supply so that it's simply ON 24/7.

Also, while we call it "water" cooling, these AIOs don't use water. The coolant is non-conductive. Leaks are a mess but the electronics won't fry.

>>723836873
Would you like to know about fps and modding?

>>723834950
>or the bargain 3080's which flooded the market
Would be nice if games nowadays weren't abominations that make the 3080 seem like a cheap garbage card. UE5's a bitch.

>>723840605
Installing AIO is not rocket science, just checking radiator fits your case and making sure the block is oriented correctly to avoid air bubbles forming up.

>>723821738 (OP)
There's still some games that run more properly on certain consoles compared to PC and there are some special controllers that only works on consoles that improves the games in every way.

>>723842469
I have a 3080. It's so smooth. Like it's a pleasurable experience to play on it. I can't think of a single stutter I've experienced on it.

>>723821738 (OP)
none

>>723842718
The 5090 stutters in unreal though

>>723842343
>>723840605
One more thing about those fan headers. Make sure that you learn where they are BEFORE you start building the PC. It's probably printed in the MOBO's manual, and it's easier to look at the MOBO and learn where everything is while it's simply sitting on your dining room table instead of once it's crammed into your PC case. The same goes for basically everything that you will plugin to the mobo.

Another word of warning is make sure that your PC case isn't using any of those "twist ties" that you might seen commonly used with bread bags. Some PC case manufactures use them to tidy up wires. Those metal twist ties can short things out if the wrapping frays. So just make sure that any kind of wire management aids are electrically non-conductive things like plastic zip-ties or those velcro strap things.

>>723842806
Consoles stutter in unreal too. I played oblivion remastered on console recently.

>>723837843
Why the hell would you buy another?

>>723821738 (OP)
being held hostage by Steam and Windows

This is my storage. How much storage should I have for gaming /v/?

>>723841917
Nice reddit spacing fag. I own a PC and PS5 Pro for exactly the reason above. I'm not fucking running a balun to my TV so I can clunkily navigate my PC and launch my PC games with a controller on a TV that performs worse than my monitor (and they're both pretty good). Having a console I can wind down with in bed after hours on my PC is the best setup.

>>723837926
Are you seriously that buck broke by fomo? Its hard to understand how dumb your question is

>>723843019
At least 5 pedobytes.

>>723842965
But they’re not 3k like a 5090

>>723821738 (OP)
no sense of community or comradery

>>723838485
Those arent exclusive. Do you understand what that word means?

>>723824046
Yes. Most modern fans have arrows on the sides telling you which direction air will flow in. If yours don't then you can just look up a youtube tutorial or something.

>>723843315
It's not the 5090s fault. Completely moot point.

>>723843019
6 tb minimum

>>723843315
So what we have learned is that there is no hardware that Unreal 5 doesn't stutter on.

>>723838843
3oz shampoo bottle watered down to 6oz is 6oz

>>723843462
Yeah but in the world we live in, a 5090 stutters worse in unreal than consoles do.

>>723843274
If you mean 10TB of (FICTIONAL) loli, rape, incest and (illusion approved 3D renderings of loli porn.) Yeah, that's a good amount to survive the apocalypse with if things go dark.

>>723839512
The difference is I can easily work on my pc

>>723843490
So what we have learned here is that why would you spend 3k over a 500 dollar console just to still stutter?

>>723842343
>>723842963
Thanks. I already built my PC last year and recently added more fans since my case fan only came with 2 fans. Pretty much exactly like that pic >>723822809. Things are fine but recently started noticing it turns my 10x10 room into a hot box when I'm running something demanding whiling keeping the doors and windows closed. The rest of my house is cool but the room my PC is in gets fairly warm but only when I'm running something demanding for several hours.

So I figure would water cooling help with this? I never actually seen how they work in practice.

>>723839601
If I upscale, yes. But I just run things native.

>>723839647
Do you measure your monitor in yards?

>>723821738 (OP)
PCs are for advanced users. They require tinkering and things are not completely prepared for your convenience, so expect a lot of installing, benchmarking and scavenging for files.

>>723840126
No, i need to use autodesk software

>>723843531
Completely depends on the game. Again, it's not the fault of the graphics card.

>>723843142
Launch them with a wireless mouse, or use a control orientated UI like steam big picture mode specifically designed for that.

The output device has nothing to do with the PC/console, if you're moaning about a TV why the fuck are playing consoles on one? Any TV or monitor you decide to use will accept both output genius. Why do you have a console in bed with you, to keep your axe wound warm while you game, eat a bullet.

>>723843614
Why are you assuming every game anyone will ever play will stutter? Are you this disingenuous irl?

>>723840262
None of that is difficult, what exactly are you doing? Maybe I can help you lol

>>723843704
So what? If that’s how games are going to be made it might as well be its fault. So why would you spend that much on something like that? If it is it’s fault or not it’s still going to fucking stutter. This is a very simple concept.

>>723835554
you think that, but when you have too many games you never play anything, you just sit on /v/ all day thinking you might play something later.
when you have no games then when you get one game you are really excited to play it

>>723822591
front and bottom fans are for in, back and top fans are for out. you should have your input pressure slightly higher than output pressure which you can just kind of estimate by fan speed and checking to see if dust builds up too fast inside (this keeps dust from building up too fast if done right)

>>723841668
If its on a hdd, that would be why.
Get a ssd and enable the xmp settings on your ram.
The issue youre having is that the gpu/cpu isnt getting info fast enough

>>723843775
I didn’t say that. I’m just saying people don’t want to overspend on something that doesn’t run games any better

The fact that this Gaming PC costs less than $1,000 only proves that PC Gaming is healing!

https://www.amazon.com/Skytech-Gaming-Blaze4-4-5GHz-Desktop/dp/B0FR4BMZKV

>>723843696
>PCs are for advanced users.
You're such a silly boy!

>>723833517
Cuckold mentality

>>723822606
It was crazy like a couple years ago, but right now I feel like GPU prices are fine. I was considering upgrading now specifically because I was amazed at how cheap some of the newer GPUs are now.

>>723842806
You're not suppose to play unreal

>>723843926
I'll try that, thanks.

>>723843843
Are you retarded? There are literally thousands of games which come out every generation and they don't all stutter. Show me a list of 100 UE5 games which stutter on a 5090 and (according to you) run better on a PS5. I can show you 100 games which run better on a 5090.

>>723844035
Even if you’re not playing unreal a 5090 doesn’t run games any better for what the vast majority of people care about. A base ps5 can play any multiplayer game at 120fps pretty much.

>>723844229
See my point above.

>>723843936
Which games are you talking about here? Name me 100. Because you'd need a significant amount of games that run better on a ps5 over any pc, to consider a ps5 over any pc.

>>723843940
He's kinda right though. Now that ive read it, it makes sense. A lot of these discussions boil down to console players forming an argument around ease of use. They plug it in and it works.
A lot of the console complaints, even in this thread, is stuff about installing drivers and general tweaking of the system.

One guy posted a driver issue, another talking about swapping monitors and tvs. It finally clicked for me, it is a gap in technical skill that keeps the consoles from dying

I never understood why someone would be OK with payong almost the proce of a pc for something that is objectively worse in almost ever regard, and then paying to play online. Now it makes sense

Owning a gaming pc is chill if you’re a minimalist and it’s doubling as your workstation, but for most it’s just over-optimization culture meets unrestrained consumerism. A gaming pc decked equipped with rgb is one of the most loserish, tryhard things you could put into your home.

>>723843614
To play any game that isn't unreal 5 at 4k on a 240 hz monitor @500+ fps

>a 5090 doesn’t run games any better for what the vast majority of people care about
Ah he's trolling.

>>723844339
>>723844381
You can’t comfortably move your pc to your couch and play it like that. You can’t just play everything with ease of use and without hackers and RCE exploits littered in competitive games.

>>723844179
What kind of ram are you running? Keep an eye out for "xmp" you enable that in the bios

>>723844323

You dont have the authority to make that claim, you clearly dont know what you are talking about. You cant say what the "vast majority" cares about.
Since you tried to hide behind ambiguity, define "vast majority " please.

A ps5 isnt running any native resolution at 120fps at all. They dont even make that claim, no one has made that claim

>>723844367
A gaming PC caters to everyone.

>>723844596
Maybe you can't because you are a retard, which is why you are poor. Yes, consoles are made just for people like you.

>>723844598
Digital foundry said that the ps5s internal resolution at 120hz is 1440p on Black ops 6 for example.


I do have the authority to make that claim. Most people play games that aren’t running over 120fps. The vast majority of steam users have shitboxes. Even then, the Nintendo switch 1/2 doesn’t prioritize fidelity either.

>>723844719
I just don’t like playing with cheaters and want a plug and play experience. It’s not a hard concept.

>>723844367
I built a PC in 2023 and I didn't want RGB shit but it's actually cheaper than non-RGB shit, so I just got the RGB and turned it off.

>A base ps5 can play any multiplayer game at 120fps

Kek

>>723821738 (OP)
>can enjoy ultrawide
>Lossless Scaling w/ frame gen in every old game
>any graphics/resolution settings you want
>decent performance scaling w/ price before diminishing returns
>individual warranty on every part
>resale value
>upgradability

>downsides
oops haha well too late ig

>>723844980
It’s known that the ps5 runs that game at 90ish fps. Call of duty runs at nearly a locked 120fps.

>>723844857
Yeah we know, that's why you are a low iq console kiddie, it's okay not everyone is born with an adequate brain.

>>723844598
I think that option is enabled.
The next think is to move the emulator and the game to an ssd.
Ram is some fury ddr4 3200 two 16gb for total of 32.

>>723821738 (OP)
It feels soulless

>>723845097
Call of duty runs at 120 fps on a 2025 toaster. Why are we pretending that a PS5 is 2019 hardware being sold for $500+ since launch? The specs haven't gotten better.

>>723845331
Playing with cheaters doesn’t make you intelligent. If anything, it’s the opposite. Pc cattle have no standards.

>>723821738 (OP)
You'll never go back to console gaming. Not really a downside, but you may alienate friends who only know consoles. But are those people really worth your time?

>>723845374
thing*

>>723845382
Isn't*

>>723843615
>The rest of my house is cool but the room my PC is in gets fairly warm but only when I'm running something demanding for several hours.
>So I figure would water cooling help with this? I never actually seen how they work in practice.
If the room itself is heating up, then I'm afraid that swapping to an AIO cooler won't help whatsoever. This is a physics class question. The CPU is generating heat. The CPU cooler transfers the heat out of the CPU and into the room. It doesn't really matter if the CPU cooler is an AIO cooler or a classic heatsink+fan. It's still venting the heat into the room.

Instead you should investigate into ways to improve airflow in the room. Open the door to your room so that air can flow between your room and the rest of your house better. Or maybe alternatively open a window? Putting a fan near the door or a window fan might help. Some houses have attic fans, so you might open a window and turn on the attic fan.

>install game
>launches immediately every time
>have enough hard drive space that I have room to install thousands of games and not worry about HD space
The PC is the most modifyable platform, literally invented plug and play.

>>723845382
Because consoles age better than PCs. The ps4 for example is still getting 1080p/60fps releases to this day. PCs are outdated quickly now.


A 5090 came out recently and is stuttering more than 500 dollar gaming consoles

>>723845565
Name these 1080p 60 fps games

A modern console (post 7th gen) and PC (post disc drive) are just goyslop. If you feel any superiority playing games on those then you really are a goyim.

>>723845565
So go play your shitty unreal 5 games on your console faggot and fuck off already.

>>723845645
Black ops 6, black ops 7, Fortnite, gran Turismo 7.

>PC can play every game ever made
>PS5 can only play a half dozen unreal 5 games mediocrely

>>723845668
At least the ps5 can run them

>>723845794
*better than PC

>>723845878
Yes, that is important to you so don't get a PC. You have no reason to continue in this thread.

I bought a PS3/4 for the exclusives I liked (God of War 3, MGS4, Last of Us 1, inFamous, Horizon, some of the Crash and Ratchet games). Now that they're mostly on PC, I have no need for a console. Plus emulators.

>>723845954
So what games do you play? A non intensive niche indie game that could run on a 200 dollar laptop?

>>723825387
>Google search is telling me that average monthly wage in the US is like $6k
I wish I made that fucking much.

>>723844596
You have no fucking idea what you are even talking about. Just another dumb retard console babby.

>>723821738 (OP)
Compatibility issues, technical issues and worse effiency and optimization and no physical game option compared to a console. When it works it fully makes up for it, except in the handheld space.

>>723826314
my budget PC can play most games at 1800p at 60fps, granted I don't play UE5 slop.

>>723843615
No, the thermal energy the CPU and GPU give off depends on the workload you have them under, it doesn't matter if you remove that heat from the components with air or water, it's still being dumped into the environment. You need to cool your room more, either aircon or leave windows open if it's cooler outside. Or use a fan aimed towards you door to extract the rooms hot air into another part of the house.

>>723821738 (OP)
denuvo
shader compilation
anti-cheats that interfere with non-game software on your PC
speds telling you there's nothing wrong with the above and if you disagree you must be poor

>>723823157
>own console
Nobody needs this if you have a PC. Aside from those you would only need a laptop which is either a $300 Thinkpad or a $1000 Macbook Pro for work. Assuming you work in a white collar field.

>>723846018
I wouldn't fucking tell a console nigger out of fear that they will start polluting my hobbie. I am not trying to convert you to PC gaming at all, I already know which one is superior.

>>723846128
So please explain how you plan on moving your pc to your living room every time you want to comfortably couch game

>>723844596
I don’t need to move my PC because the jews have created magical copper cables they call HDMI.

>>723821738 (OP)
PC gaming is for people that like computers and know how to use them, for everyone else that's why they invented consoles.

>>723843709
>Launch them with a wireless mouse, or use a control orientated UI like steam big picture mode specifically designed for tha
Why would I have a wireless mouse in bed? And big picture mode is fucking shit

>The output device has nothing to do with the PC/console,
Yes it does fuck face.

>if you're moaning about a TV why the fuck are playing consoles on one?
Tradeoffs. If you're in bed or on the couch you need a nice big screen. Big screens with the specs of the best monitors are prohibitively expensive. I make due with a 4K TV for the size where as my monitor can do high refresh (360hz+) at 1440p in exchange for a smaller panel size.

>Any TV or monitor you decide to use will accept both output genius
It's not comfortable.

>Why do you have a console in bed with you
Because it's comfy you stupid nigger.

>>723843142
I see your point but I’m not paying 800€ for worse performance than my PC just because I find it inconceivable to first boot a game on my PC and then walk over to my couch, controller in hand.

>>723846424
My PC is in my living room hooked up to my 4k tv and a monitor. But if I needed to move it I would pick it up and carry it like a console I suppose lmao

>>723846743
Not everybody has their tv right next to their desk/monitor.

>>723846547
So you have hdmi cables all through the house?

>>723847230
>So you have hdmi cables all through the house?
No. I have my TV and desktop PC in different rooms, but against the same wall. I just route a cable through the wall behind the TV. My PC isn't loud but this also makes for silent gaming as I don't use headphones in my living room setup.

>>723846578
>Why would I have a wireless mouse in bed?
You're too stupid to navigate big picture with a controller?

>Yes it does fuck face.
You can use the same device a TV or a Monitor in both situations on both console or PC, it literally doesn't matter. The fact you have a TV in your bedroom doesn't preclude you from using your PC.

>Tradeoffs
Right, which has nothing to do with you feeding that panel with a PC or console.

>It's not comfortable.
The bed is just as comfortable if the TV you have in your bedroom is fed by a PC or a console.

The mental gymnastics here is so cringe. You talk about tradeoffs of a TV vs Monitor but you ignore those when comparing a PC vs Console. You may actually have brain worms, get that shit checked out by a doctor.

>>723845774
Took me 5 seconds on Google to be informed that neither of the black ops games are native 1080p. They use dynamic resolution scaling and upscaling. Fortnite came out in the ps4 gen. And GT7 I don't know about but let's assume that it is, that's 1 AAA game you managed to mention from current gen which got a 1080p 60 fps PS4 port.

>>723844757
>internal resolution
Will you explain that to me and tell me the difference between internal vs external please?

It boils down to this:
>most people want
Vs
>most people are
Those are two very different things, I understand that most people can not do the thing, where you lack authority to the claim is saying "want."

>>723821738 (OP)
No physical games. No good exclusives since the '90s. Windows and Linux both suck for different reasons.

>>723845374
Yeah get that or an m2, I suggest the m2 for even more speed.

What's happening is your gpu/cpu combo can run 100mph but your hdd is acting as a governor set at 50mph

>>723821738 (OP)
by back hurts when i play on my pc

>>723848562
>No good exclusives since the '90s.
I'll tell that one to the coworker that have yet to play My Summer Car.

>>723848562
>download game + crack
>burn to dvd
>you now have physical media
Man you tards really aren't gonna make it in life.

>>723823673
what must play switch games have i missed since yuzu and ryujinx died?

I can use an RTX 4070 for both 1440p high refresh rate gaming or 4K semi high refresh rate gaming. I have a 1440p 240hz and 4K 144hz monitor/tv and it can easily drive both in games which need it. DLSS 4 is amazing at 4K.

>>723845565
Thats wrong. Thats not even close to the reason.

Here's what actually happens
The devs know you have X Y Z components, they know in 3 years at release for their game, you will still have X Y Z in the system. This is accounted for every single game made for the generation.

The tech for X2 Y2 Z2 hardware came out three years ago, but they cant aim for those specs because you cant upgrade.


If you are going to try and peddle consoles, do so reasonably and say
>I like pushing thr button and booting straight into a game in 12 seconds.
Thats a fine reason to enjoy a thing, the issue i have, is when total fucking retards attempt to sound smart when they dont know what they are talking about

>>723845565
>Because consoles age better than PCs.
The fuck am I reading????

How's my set up? Anything I should change?

It turns you gay

>>723843783
It's not difficult, but it's stupid and tedious and basically requires you to go through a checklist every time you want to play video games.

It's annoying as fuck when your PC and TV are in different rooms and you have to go back and forth to make sure everything works.

>>723846424
It weighs 48lbs, I pick it up and carry it. How would you move your console?

>>723848912
Most people here are adults, you basically grow apart from your childhood friends after high school and college.

>>723848918
Yeah, you should kys

>>723848918
I'd get a cheap 5600 or even a 5700/5700x3D if you can afford them because they'll provide architectural and performance improvements over the 3600 but they all support the same motherboard so you don't need to change anything other than the CPU. That's assuming your board has a bios which supports those new CPU which I believe the majority do anyway. 3060 12GB is still fine in most games.

People go through so many hoops to defend PC over consoles.

If you need Microsoft Windows (11 with Copilot+), you get a PC. If you don't, you get a console. You do not need a PC specifically to play games. The PC platform was intended for work and productivity; it just so happens to also run games.

>>723849003
So you are lazy AND stupid. Consoles are made just for you. PC's are not for you, it's okay to be inferior, not everyone can be master race.

>>723821738 (OP)
It's as much as 10x expensive to just get through the doors of pc gaming. You can definitely get a cheaper rig, but it's still several times the cost of a console by itself. And you'll need to drop the same amount with each successive generation of gaming to remain up to date.
You'll need to know how to put it together. Going in blind can be very stressful, and even after watching plenty of videos on how to not fuck up you'll still be on edge the whole time.
You can't trade your gaming library or lend individual games to friends.
Not every game is optimized for every PC or component. You can have a terrible experience gaming because the devs fucked up with adjusting for your specific gpu or cpu or combination of gpu and cpu.
Your friends and coworkers are probably on a console and not everything has cross platform play.

>>723821738 (OP)
>Gay fanbase
>FUCKING RETARDED LAUNCHERS FUCK YOU ROCKSTAR

>>723849003
Ive never used a checklist, I dont even know what youre talking about.
When I boot my AIs to play skyrim, I don't even use a chrck list. Thats two computers routed together, one generating tokens, another doing t2p, and then me chopping a bandits head off with an ax.

What checklist are you using, i wanna read it lol.

Tedious is subjective though. It doesn't bother me at all because the reward is so much greater

>>723848508
Internal resolution is the real resolution the game is rendered at, the actual output resolution can be different by scaling the internal resolution either up or down.

This allows performance or graphical fidelity trade offs to the user, consoles typically render internally at lower resolutions because they have budget hardware, and then upscale the output to 4k because being "4k" sells. And it allows them to maintain OK frame rates.

But there's all sorts of combinations of this basic principle, execpt PCs don't tend to hide it, they allow you to explicitly select it so you can choose the trade off for yourself.

>>723849212
Runs games better*
Sorry king, you left a part of thr sentence off

>>723845565
This post is not 4channy. PC runs ALL games at 1080p 60fps, the perfect Gamer Resolution for us Real Gamers (we do not use 1440p or 4K). Your PS4 uses upscaling, which means it has fake pixels. That's right: if you play a game using DLSS, you didn't actually play the game. It's called a fake game. That's why the PS4 has no games besides Bloodborne, because the rest of them use fake frames. Haha, get it? Hail GabeN!

>>723848460
Theyre close enough, for being that old.

>>723849364
>paying a 300% premium to run the games at half-resolution while dealing with drivers, crashes, DRM, launchers, and anti-cheats is "better"

>>723849229
I know someone who is both lazy and stupid (stupid in the tech illiterate sense), who switched to PC last year and hasn't looked back. This is someone who played exclusively on console for decades but then decided to move to PC after cross play became a thing and didn't want to be left behind while PC gamers get the best visuals and performance. Literally a typical FPS CoD player who still plays on PC exclusively with controller, managed to switch over and have a perfectly fine experience. There no excuses.

>>723848821
So what? Consoles naturally have better optimization because devs only have to work with one setup. So in the real world, theyre commonly more optimized than PCs, and age better as well.

>>723847768
You may just be one of the dumbest anons I have ever seen, typing out lines of irrelevant shit just because you hate comfy.

>>723849350
And then the end user sees 120hz @ 1440?

>>723849465
>half resolution
Man you are really fucking dumb lmao, I doubt you are even old enough to post here.

>>723849465
Why are consolefags this disingenuous? You've never used a computer in your life.

>>723823673
The PC still can't offer portable gaming for which you need a Switch 2. If Nintendo games mean nothing to you you can wait for the Deck 2 I guess, though going by sales those people are an extreme minority.

>>723822171
this actually

>>723849465
Wrong again retard.
That 300% premium is a number you made up.
I use my computer for large scale civil engineering projects
The added bonus is that it runs triple the framerate and double the resolution to your Playstation

And no, im not a retard so all those issues have been fixed

>>723849457
A PC from that time can do the same thing. And can still play modern games which a PS4 can't. Is BF6 on PS4? It wasn't last time I checked. But it still runs on PS4 era graphics cards like the GTX 10 series.

>>723849672
That's what a steam deck is for, what's your next bullshit cope you turbonigger

>>723849212
This ignores the fact that all modern console hardware is a copy of PC hardware where development of such things matured. Consoles do need PCs because they borrow APIs like Vulkan and DirectX, and they borrow chip designs from PC hardware.

If you want a high end gaming system you need a PC. If you want choice and not be locked into an ecosystem you need a PC. If you want the latest technology you need a PC. Consoles are functionally just expensive toys.

PCs were never explicitly designed for "work", they're general purpose machines that can run any code.

>>723849720
The ps4 came out in 2013, anon

>>723823673
>GPU in the 60%s and dropping frames
Good lord please tell me your CPU is total ass.

>>723849760
>"If Nintendo games mean nothing to you"
Do not buy a Deck in 2025. It's outdated hardware on its last legs.

>>723844356
>One guy posted a driver issue, another talking about swapping monitors and tvs. It finally clicked for me, it is a gap in technical skill that keeps the consoles from dying
Yes. Reminder that 50% of people in the world have an IQ lower than 100.

>>723823157
I'm so glad you can just take people with anime pictures tied to their posts and throw them in the trash, it's my favorite past time

>>723849554
>so what
The point of my post was to btfo out of you "ages better" argument, which is did.

>naturally better optimization
First, currently everything has poor optimization
Second, thats not a good thing, in fact its a bad thing. You have zero options, so there is zero effort into anything other than that one specific mark.
On the oc side, you get a ton of options for graphics, because there is a huge disparity between all the system combinations.

If anything, gimping yourself to a fixed set of never-improving hardware is a bad thing for everyone

>>723849862
Half of all people also probably own a PC too

>>723849859
Nintendo games mean nothing to me, correct. Get richer parents you underage poorfag. I don't give a shit about your financial situation.

>>723849672
Get a laptop, problem solved

>>723849798
So?

>>723849780
>explicitly
Anon, I think the issue is that these peons cant understand what we are telling them.

>>723849859
Steam Deck 2 comes out next year, and you can play all of your steam games on it and don't have to buy a new vopy.

>>723827091
Snoystation sisters...our cope?

>>723849975
Laptops are horrid dogshit for playing while on the go. Not only do you need a solid surface but you also need to carry a dedicated controller with you or a mouse (which requires even more solid surface).

>>723849989
Did the GTX 10 series come out in 2013?

>>723849936
Statistically yes, 50% of the population of pc owners will follow normal sets of extrapolated numbers.
You didnt intend that to be an insult did you? Consoles....

>>723849969
I have a 9800X3D and 4090 PC but I won't buy your ancient dogshit, Gabe. I'll play everything your tablet can on my PC but without the additional issues of having to research if it runs and if it does how poorly.

>>723850089
Yeah bro just play your PS5 on the go, is this the 100th goal post move ITT from you? And you got btfo 100/100 times.

>>723850082
So it outputs it at 1800p and 4k

>>723850217
>b-but what about Playstation
Nobody cares faggot. Impressive how you can pop flares and project at the same time. How many generations of inbreeding for that?

>>723821738 (OP)
uh oh tendie and snoy shills do NOT like this thread

>>723821738 (OP)
Trying to play it in your living room from your sofa is a pain in the ass and is NOT comfy, even if you have it live there

Compiling shades for 15 minutes before playing games

Cheaters

Some pc ports don't have local multiplayer and/or Co op for no reason (fuck you 343 studios)
Controller support isn't as consistent, even though steam big picture mode tries it's best to fix it.

No physical media to preserve/resell/share with your bros

Some shit like ASTRO bot/dk bonanza/gta6 isn't available

Issues with drivers (no matter what brands you buy) and shitty pc ports in general. Elden ring on pc would stutter no matter how powerful your gpu was, don't know if that's been fixed but it wasn't just that game. It's mostly unreal engine slop.

>>723850082
PCkeks that drop 3k on a graphics card alone are talking about how PS5 Pros at 750 are somehow top dollar. I thought PC cattle werent broke? I guess they are

>>723849306
It's about about that. When I play a video game, I want to sit on the couch, press a button to turn on the TV, press the Playstation button to turn on the PS5, and start playing the game. I am usually in a very lazy mood and don't want to get up to do anything. I don't want to turn on my PC and mess with things in Windows. I want to be two button clicks away from getting back into the game I was playing.

So do most gamers. Using a PC is work, and gaming should have nothing to do with that.

>>723850229
kek

>>723850089
And thats better than a Playstation, how? At least the laptop has a built in screen and can have higher specs.
Don't say a switch, thats just a cellphone with joysticks

>>723850159
No but just because people like ease of use doesnt make them stupid. Its the same way manual transmissions died out

The only thing that I learned from this thread is that console people don't know anything about PCs and just make up shit in their heads to fanboy for their favorite corporation like some teenage girls.

>>723850121
Why did it have to? The 90 series came out in 2013 and can run BF6. What's your point?

>>723850324
>Don't say a switch, thats just a cellphone with joysticks
Literally any portable with active cooling is better than a cellphone due to thermal throttling.

>>723850283
A computer can do many things. A snoystation can only play games. Well, sometimes.

>>723850338
That isnt relevant to what I said at all. I didnt say anything about ease of use and why markets work the way they do.

Read what I replied to

>>723850340
"People" feel financially invested in Steam so of course they defend it.

pc gaming has never been better, yet the consolefags here act like its never been worse, lol
the delusion on display here is astounding

>>723850446
Is this real?

The rise of SteamOS and the upcoming Xbox full screen experience for windows will put the "consoles are easy because I'm retarded" argument to bed.

PC = Republican
Consoles = Democrat
Simple as.

>>723821738 (OP)
You cant write documents of Word in a Playstation/Switch.

You cant use a mouse in a Playstation/Switch.

You cant install LM Studio, NAS, plex, Gimp or download the entire Wikipedia in Playstation/Switch

>>723850392
Actually 2014. But either way cards recently have gotten worse about age. Youve got cards that came out last year that are going to be outdated this year.

The 5080 isnt even a bare minimum anymore

>>723850470
It's projection. Consoles have never been worse.

>>723850446
>when your wife's boyfriend gives you permission to buy a ps5
Thank you GOOOOODS

>>723845565
PC obviously has more games releasing at any point in time that can run at 1080p 60fps on even a shitty laptop
you people are so delusional lmao

>>723821738 (OP)
Cost upfront, optimization of games.

>>723850470
Pc gaming was better late 2010s when upgrading was optional and meant 300fps instead of 60. But if you were fine with 60 you didn't need to upgrade for 6 years.

>>723850394
I made a mini atx board that is portable, I plan on screwing it to a small board so I can have a mini sculpting pc.

Its entire function is to be as portable as the switch while allowing me to work on high poly sculpts

You dont have an argument for portability when I made something that gets around that

>>723850570
lol do you do this full time? no one cares about borderlands 4 or that kojima slop
oh and i know you're going to say "yeah but thats irrelevant"
its not
get a life retard

>>723850539
But PC is the idea that all the third worlders get to enter, just like what democrats believe.

>>723850570
No they haven't. You're buying into all the fear mongering that some YouTubers have decided to peddle. My graphics card is 5 years old and runs every game smooth as butter.

>>723850394
I misread your post. I got too heated talking to the lower class "people" in this thread, sorry about that
From
>>723850651

>>723850672
It is irrelevant, because we're simply discussing how well they run.

>>723832748
>when a console costs very little money
This argument makes less and less sense nowadays when a $500 Switch 2 is the “cheapest” option and everyone is RAISING the prices of OLD hardware now.

>>723850715
Try running MGS Delta without stutters. PS5 doesnt stutter.

A 5090 has game breaking stutters on it

>>723850679
The one difference is that they aren't in my country.

>>723850743
you have autism and you spend all day posting in threads against the PC platform with the most nonsense arguments ive almost ever seen
"5080 isnt even bare minimum anymore" lmao get a grip kid
i bet youre 13 and only play roblox

>>723850651
I genuinely doubt you put that together yourself if you can't see the difference in portability between that and an all-in-one tablet design.

>>723850636
If you're fine with 60 today you don't have to upgrade for 6 years either. Maybe even longer if you consider RTX 20 series cards support DLSS 4 and they're from 2018.

>>723850814
But theyre in your multiplayer games

>>723833776
>Having money means you need to act like a retardant with your money.
$500 for Mario kart and donkey Kong is insulting

>>723850817
Its true. Youd be surprised at how shitty a 5080 would run in real world applications, and not on Jens fake numbers scam presentation

>>723850841
I have an all in one pc downstairs. I made this thing to be more portable than that.

THE ENTIRE REASON FOR THIS THING IS TO BE MORE PORTABLE THAN AN ALL IM ONE

And no. Not a fucking tablet. I need it to he able to run things you cant run on a tablet

Alright PC bros our work is done here, this faggot is just gonna keep going no matter how stupid it makes him look.

>>723850757
The switch 2 cant play real games like PC or PS5 though

>>723850938
What real world applications does the 50 series perform poorly at?

>>723850940
>I need it to he able to run things you cant run on a tablet
What video games? I mean surely we are talking about video games? And playing video games while on the move?

>>723850938
as opposed to? the fuck are you even talking about lmao

>>723850973
Snoy seething is interesting to witness

>>723850594
That's a PC game because it runs better on PC.

>>723821738 (OP)
It's expensive and/or time consuming to build or buy a PC the size of a console. SFF prebuilds are expensive and so are smaller motherboards, GPUs, cases, etc. They're also typically less performant and throttle more often than consoles.
I've been wanting to downsize my midrange PC rig and turn it into a HTPC for a while, but spending all that cash for what essentially amounts to a minor change is not something I want to spend a lot of time or money doing.
It's why I spend more time playing vidya on my Deck these days.

>>723851023
>>723851005
Its just not as good as you would believe based on the price. Is it going to run things? Maybe. But not 3x better than a PS5. And certainly, certainly not without stuttering. And no GTA 6

>>723851016
Its a computer, it does more than video games. A tablet cant run anything worth playing.

Even if i want to run a game on it, I can do it better than a switch or a tablet. But no. Its for high poly sculpts

>>723851165
So how do you play games on it? Say if I dropped you on an airplane.

>>723851147
Did you not read what I asked?
What real world applications? Clearly you aren't talking about games, but some sort of work, so what applications?

What's the max native resolution for the ps5?

>>723836363
No, because you defend corporations for free

>>723851213
Its not for running games, its for sculpting. I have a much stronger desktop for games.

Why the fuck would I play a video game on an airplane? Im going to talk to my wife and kids.

>>723850803
I don't know anything about MGS Delta. I had to Google what the hell that even was. If your arguments are extreme fringe cases, you've already lost.

>>723851147
almost nothing is as good as you would believe based on the price anymore, including consoles

the price of a videogame shockingly has not been affected by inflation, so this almost maintains the illusion that everything isnt shit, but let me assure you it is

an actual good videogame with the value of the USD today would arguably be fairly priced at ~$200 but you're happy to play slop for $60 and not realize how shitty games are today compared to in the past given technological limitations they had

im pretty sure you're like 15

All this thread did was convince me to buy an xbox for GTA 6 because playstation fans are so obnoxious. It'll complement my PC well at least.

>>723851213
Are you on an airplane often? Get a switch then yoy fucking queer. I haven't been on a plane in 10 years.

>>723851246
I was talking about games.

The max native res of the PS5 is 4k generally, and the Pro can do 8k/60fps.

>>723836518
It’s a hell of a lot closer to owning a game than “game key cards”

>>723848663
I'm sure your coworker will fall asleep halfway through you just mentioning the game's title.
>>723848672
>have to put all the work in yourself
>also have to degrade yourself to a spiritual nigger
>still has no resale value
My original post stands.

>>723851323
>Why the fuck would I play a video game on an airplane? Im going to talk to my wife and kids
Because if you actually had a wife and kids you'd know they can't sit still for longer than an hour. By the two hour mark you'll be begging for a video game console for your kids or a bullet to your skull.

>>723851446
Is that upscaled because mine can not do that

Are you this anon?

>>723851330
Its like that in every unreal game though. Fortnite, Borderlands 4, anything Unreal, you name it.

>>723851379
If consoles arent as good as youd believe, look at the PC gaming market. Astronomically high for such mediocre performance.

Thread summary:
PC pros: everything
PC cons: can't play switch games on an airplane.

>>723821738 (OP)
$$$
>but if I dumpster dive...
Nope

>>723836650
Nigger the one thing console fans in this thread are complaining about are how expensive PCs supposedly are

>>723851506
Why would that happen? I never got them addicted to ipads and cellphones. They are more than capable of sitting quietly for more than an hour

>>723851542
Not being portable is a pretty big flaw which is why you have an entire industry built around portable consoles and tablet PCs since the 1980s.

>>723851527
Death Stranding on PS5 ran native 4k/60fps. Black ops 7 is upscaled 4k at 120fps. Gran Turismo 7 is internally native 4k before being upscaled to 8k at 60fps on the pro.

>>723851506
That's why they read books or a magazine.

>>723823673
lmk when i can use the switch 2 pro and gamecube controllers

>buy ps5 from pawn shop
>use it for a few days
>get bored and never touch it again

What surprised me the most was how shit the graphics were on it. Most games i tried were very blurry.

>>723851613
It's not a flaw, it's for fucking losers with no shame or children.

>>723822624
>no
>gta is gay
>nigger gaymes

>>723851594
>my kids are perfectly capable of staring into the void on my 3+ hour flight
Never taken them flying, huh?

>>723851534
Fortnite doesn't stutter on PC

>>723851734
It stutters more on pc more than it does on console

>>723851650
Next time you go flying and go take a piss count how many kids are reading a book vs playing with some electronic gadget. It has been like this since the 1990s btw.

>>723851787
Weird claim to make. Regardless it runs smoothly on everything. PC has the benefit of performance mode for max fps.

>>723821738 (OP)
You have to absolutely have to have basic hardware knowledge in case something goes downhill.
>pc randomly crashes?
test ram, test psu, test gpu. none of that works I hope you know a little about electronics because you will have to test the MB
>you are getting poor high temps?
you will have recreate the problem maybe you have bad connections or you maybe your paste is dry and you will have to open your gpu and repaste it.
my point is pc gaming is a fucking pain in the ass but I would pick it over any console every day of the week

>>723851891
Meanwhile console doesnt get hackers and nobody has an advantage over you with it being capped at 120fps. its an honest and very strict playing field

>>723837721
I love my Odin 2 Portal

>>723851648
>upscale
>internal
>upscale
I have a 120hz 4k TV. Can it run natively on that?
It seems like you keep trying to weasel away from a straight answer by obfuscation. I like to measure my framerate by measuring it with my eyeballs

What a gay and retarded thread. There are cons to PC gaming for sure and the few of them were discussed, but the cope and goal post moving is like watching democrats try to find rational policies.

>>723851956
>m.jpg
>crying about american politics
Curse Vishnu.

If you are poor and only want a PC for gaming, it's a bad idea, if you have no interest in learning how PCs work it will ruin your life. PC gaming is for people that work with PCs and also use them for hobbies. It's not for the average retard.

>>723851715
>books
>coloring books
>uno
Yeah man, we take long day trips in the car too. They also get a windows to look out

>>723851953
Why do you act like native even matters anymore? All the GPU companies are pushing upscaling and even frame gen hard. Its practically indistinguishable from native.

I dont know if either run 4k natively at 120fps. But they output 4k at 120fps

>>723851936
Another weird claim to make. Cross play is in every game now anyway so thats all irrelevant.

>>723852156
You can turn it off.

>>723852135
>Why do you act like native even matters anymore?
This is the acceptance part of coping with loss. Native+DLAA is absolutely better and doesn't even need a side-by-side with sub-native upscalers.

>>723852135
>Its practically indistinguishable from native.
goddamn snoy tards are nothing but paypigs with no gamez

>>723851787
How would you know? You dont own a pc that can run it

>>723851803
Cool, those other kids can watch twice the brainrot to make up the difference for my kids

>>723852135
Well thats because I like to run what im seeing. I pay attention explicitly to native specs for this reason.

So you dodged the question, why are you attempting to skirt the answer?

>>723851936
I played with hacks on d3 back on the ps3. Where are you getting this claim?

lol

>>723852085
It's 2025 who the fuck doesn't know how a PC works? It's easier and more reliable than ever to game on PC. The storefronts and libraries are as easy to navigate and manage as ever.

>>723852306
>brainrot
If that's what you consider video games to be then why the fuck are you posting on this board. Fuck off faggot.

/thread

>>723852306
Which question did I dodge?

All this talk about native, and you better have the best of the best to show for it. The vast majority of PCs use upscaling, just like consoles.

>>723852234
What graphics cards even run native 4k/120fps consistently?

>>723852252
These days upscaling has become so advanced most people wouldnt even notice

>>723852223
Not in every game

>>723852361
Notice the sub-100% keyboard and VA panel.

>>723852359
You cant do that on modern consoles

>>723821738 (OP)
more expensive, gotta wait for timed console exclusives/emulators to play. sometimes getting some stuff to play the way you want can be a pain in the dick too

>>723852361
Neat, I dont think ive seen the star of David on the transplant before

>>723852462
Only in all modern Call of Duty, Fortnite, Battlefield 6, Valorant, etc. The major multiplayer games

>>723852441
>What graphics cards even run native 4k/120fps consistently?
At console settings? The top 5 I'd imagine.

>>723852419
No, and clearly you don't have kids.
They arent playing pc or console, they are watching short videos of stupid shit now. They watch other people play, but thats about it

>>723852441
I asked if it can run those framerstes and you said;
>internally
And
>upscale
A simple no would work

>>723838646
How many console games are releasing with local split screen these days?

>>723852517
>sometimes getting some stuff to play the way you want can be a pain in the dick too
This is why you have a 120+hz ultrawide. Once you start modding a game to be technically fit you might aswell go the extra mile and make it an absolute world apart from the console experience.

>>723852624
Maybe the top 3. If youre lucky. Again, you shouldnt even be at console settings at any rate after spending much more on a PC. It should just be high to ultra assumed from this point on

>>723852652
But it can run at those framerates, just not natively 4k necessarily with the 120fps at the same time. The ps5 is 120fps capable absolutely though.

>>723852708
>This is why you have a 120+hz ultrawide.
you know it brother, 1440p 21:9 144hz has been pretty sweet

I've had more fun replaying GTA IV with the recent fusion fix mod on pc than I have all generation with any game I've played on ps5. Not only is the ps5 a dogshit console the gen is also fucking garbage.

>>723852892
Why did it sell 80m so far then

>>723852723
>after spending much more on a PC.
naive assumption

>>723853029
How much do you think youd have to spend to get 4k/120fps on a PC at Native DLAA?

>>723852723
You need to go back 10 years to play anything Ultra-4k-120 fps. I've been playing Metro Exodus Enchanced Edition at Ultra-4k-120 and it maxes out the 4090 while not looking substantially better. Do not use it. Console settings are usually High and much lighter than the top setting. A top tier PC will easily get you triple or more the performance of a console at the same resolution and settings. It's not even a fair comparison as a PS5 Pro is a 200W console while a top end gaming PC will easily draw over twice that while on a more efficient node (you are getting more frames per watt).

>>723853147
Thats what Im saying though. 4090 for the price should bring at least 4k/120fps. Theyre ridiculously priced.

>>723853217
At ultra? In every game? Absolutely not. PC games should always have a HOLY SHIT graphical setting which allows a game to leverage the horsepower of future hardware without any patches or modding. On consoles you have to beg for patches and at worst pay another $60 for what should've been an in-game option in the first place.

>>723853356
Yes. For spending 3k on a GPU alone, it better be at least 6x as performative as a 500 dollar PS5.

>>723852940
Children and people who only play one game.

>>723821738 (OP)
Normalfags and console players don't do well without features like a xbox party and can't easily multitask outside the game they're actively playing (ie glance at an open guide on the second screen) so if you have friends that fall into either category they might unironically be too slow to play with you and get frustrated at your speed and the people you get qued with.

>>723853465
A 5090 is 2k and despite value absolutely shitting the bed at the higher end the 5090 is easily over ten times more powerful than what's inside the PS5. So yes, if we are talking about GPUs and GPU bottlenecks, nothing stops the 5090 from skullfucking the PS5 six times over.

>>723852765
Natively, I can run a Playstation 5 at 4k at 120 fps? Because none of thr ones I own are capable of doing that

>>723853705
The 5090 is only 10x as powerful on paper. Not in the real world.

A 5090 stutters more than a ps5 though in a lot of games

>>723853465
What's your definition of performance?

>>723853809
You can run 4k at 60fps in a lot of titles and 120fps at a lower resolution in most multiplayer.

>>723853817
Shader compilation is a developer and CPU issue. Not a 5090 issue. It's still more powerful in the real world and it's not even an utilization issue.

>>723853817
>on paper
No, it benchmarks that high
>stuttering
In what? Sounds like a skill issue on the builder. He's fucked something else up

>>723853891
>>723853912
So regardless of how it happens, a 5090 by the time it and the games get to you, is fucked up. It doesn’t matter what it can do theoretically. It could make black holes. But it can’t run something without stuttering

>>723823157
I don't waste money on redundant, gimped, locked down dogshit that treats its consumers like retards.

>>723853991
Jen sells the cattle a multi thousand dollar card every year that’s only good on his scam spreadsheet and somehow that’s not treating people like retards?

PC gaming is for people that can’t understand that numbers on paper doesn’t translate to real world outcomes a lot of the time. Its by definition treating people like idiots

>>723853973
If you are allergic to even slight, one-off stuttering what are you doing on console where framerates fall below VRR windows all the time? I’ll tell you right now that after the game has compiled the most common shaders I go back to playing at a rock solid 120+ fps a literal millisecond later.

>>723854148
It shouldn’t stutter at all being 2k minimum card alone. Nothing whatsoever. Ps5s don’t stutter and they’re 500. Pcs are such dogshit for their weight class.

>>723853863
Once again, a simple no would work. Thank you for finally answering my question

>>723853973
Ok, why is it fucked up?

What's wrong with your 5090 and what cpu are you using? If youre stuttering, its probably not the 5090, or really any gpu

>>723854126
>every year
Thats your problem.

Whatbreal world problems? Please be specific

>>723854209
So what card do you have then?

Stuttering at all for the price, performance that isn’t even that much better than a console, etc

>>723854315
Real world outcomes as in dodge selling you a muscle car that can technically hit 60mph in 2 seconds, but fails to do it if it’s not on highly prepped track and everything else is under perfect variables. That’s like PC.

>>723854201
>dog shit for their weight class
Ok what other competition is in the weight class?

>>723854201
PS5s stutter due to traversal stutter all the same. Actually it’s slightly worse than on top PCs due to the worse CPU.

>>723854391
A console is like a Tesla. A pc is like a Bugatti. A Bugatti technically has a higher ceiling and is 10x more.

But a Tesla is far more practical and easier to drive. It’s cheaper to maintain, etc. and it’s practically as fast on the roads that we use, just like consoles can match perfectly reasonable performances.

>>723854321
4070 super for gaming and a 6000 ada for AI. What gpu do you have?
In my other computers I have 2 that are running graphics off the cpu, 1 with a 2070, and the last one has a 1660

>>723854126
The fact you knew what I was talking about and went after PC says more than anything. You know better, throw off your sunk cost and stockholm syndrome.

>>723854537
No it’s just common pc cattle terminology for the consoles that wreck their egos

>>723854517
Can a 4070 run anything at 4k/120fps native either? Seriously

>>723854387
>under perfect variables
Baseline. Thats the word you want to use. Why wouldnt you want to know what it does under optimal conditions vs under load?
Ok here's the problem, the car can hit those numbers. Then I take it home and hit those numbers otw to the house.

What the fuck are you talking about? All of my gpus, except one, has hit the advertised numbers out ofnthe box. One had an issue which I sent in for a replacement.

Why are you just making shit up to get mad about?

>>723854580
>for the consoles that wreck their egos
>calling anyone else cattle
lmao, consoleplebs are funny

Arc raiders is ue5 and it was super smooth for me at 4k dlss epic settings around 80-100 fps.

>>723854674
A dodge can’t run 0 to 60 in 2 seconds on a regular road as good as a less powerful tesla can. But what pc cattle don’t understand is optimization

>>723854489
The real world equivalent would be the Bugatti going x6 faster but due to the government not maintaining the road the enjoyment is somewhat reduced. You blame the car and refuse to believe the Bugatti owner when he says that when he wasn’t dodging potholes he was having the time of his life.

>>723854489
>easier to drive
How?
>practically as fast
No it isnt, not even practically. If youre talking about a speed limit, that doesn't matter what vehicle you drive. The car can still do more
>more practical
How?
>cheaper maintenance
The tesla has a 40k dollar battery that needs to be replaced.

Those two arent the same fucking weight class anyway dumbass. Youre comparing an extremely high end luxury/sports car to a consumer grade medium sedan.

Dude what the fuck, do you know what actually weight class is? I dont think you understand the shit youre saying

Everything youve said so far just proves that you honestly dont understand this stuff

>>723822809
>side and front intake
>bottom fans
Lmao idiot.

>>723854848
I’m not blaming the car. I’m just saying in the real world they’re not that great. With the limitations society has to deal with, you can’t recommend a Bugatti to someone over a Tesla that’s comparable for 10x cheaper. Much like you can’t recommend a pc over a console, which is once again 10x as cheap and is practically as good

>>723854651
Yes.

See, no weird answer, no "technical" bullshit.

Yes it can, it does, and thats usually what I run it at. Do you have any other questions about the performance of the card?

When I run large (3 million+ squar feet) civil drawings, the card off loads a sizeable chunk off the cpu

>>723854827
Its not about the dodge, you said dodge, I was going with your made up scenario.

Dude how did you fuck that up?! You made the scenario, wow

No shit something cant do 0 to 60 in 2 seconds, I was using your number to illustrate the point

>>723854875
Teslas are much more comfortable, they hit 0 to 60 in 2-3 seconds most of them, above the cheapest, still cheaper than any comparable Bugatti.

A Tesla is more practical in the sense that a console is. Easier to use.

It’s the same exact idea

>>723854848
No, I know the road is in shitty condition. My eyes work

>>723854958
Those potholes don’t stop existing for your Tesla buddy. You are driving at slower speeds so you don’t notice hitches like someone driving fast. A 30 fps cap eliminates almost all stuttering. This isn’t a console feature, it’s a console fault as it can’t go over that even if it wanted to most of the time.

>>723854965
So you run modern games at native 4k dlaa at 120fps

>>723855013
A dodge can on paper hit 0 to 60 in 2 seconds, much like how pc can outperform consoles on paper. But it can’t replicate it as reliably or practically.

>>723855051
How is it easier to use?
Is it hitting those numbers on paper, or in the real world? Reminder that this is your question

Youre actually pissing me off with how stupid you are, I cant believe im actually admitting that

>>723855151
A Tesla is practically just as fast to 60, and can even hit ridiculous top speeds, and 60 is the speed limit mostly, as a 2m dollar Bugatti. Just like console performance is to a 10x priced pc.

>>723855227
There are no speed limits in video games buddy. Even framerate caps can be modded out in 99.9% the time. Abandon this retarded argument.

>>723855163
A Tesla is probably the closest thing to its on paper performance as a car can get. Just like a console. A PS5 is essentially a perfect PC system. That’s why it shatters their egos. Because all pc geniuses in the world can’t put together something better than how Sony has made the PlayStation 5. And consoles aren’t supposed to be that good, but they are now.

>>723855156
Yes, maybe you'll believe the ai. Why is this a hard concept for you to understand?

>>723855321
That’s not the point. The point is that the ps5 can punch at 120fps which is the acceptable norm for modern multiplayer games. Most PCs probably might even run that. That’s why I likened it to speed limit.

>>723855383
Stop dodging my question

>>723855415
Nah, we were talking about native 4k dlaa 120fps