Thread 723839730

What is the solution to the yellow paint epidemic?

Fire the clumsy painter who is dropping paint everywhere

Don't buy games that do this shit. Pirate it and play it, sure, but don't give them money until this stops. The fact that we have anons posting on this board right now openly stating they bought this, and on CONSOLES no less, is despicable.

>>723839730 (OP)
This must be some sort of optional accessibility setting, i refuse to believe this is the normal game

>>723840197
There is no way to disable it. The game comes and stays like this.

>>723840072
it's not a big deal

>>723840257
>the dick is only slightly in my ass its fine
Concessions like this is how we got to this point. Have some fucking standards you golem.

Yellow paint should be an accessibility option. It shouldn't be on by default.

>>723840428
It shouldn't exist at all. Games should not be retard accessible.

>>723840553
I disagree. I still want you to beat your games.

>>723839730 (OP)
ninja vision
mirror's edge solved this shit 20 years ago lmao

>>723840428
This. Make it toggleable and it suddenly becomes a non-issue.

>>723839730 (OP)
>game already has lights to illuminate the path
>slap retard proof paint on it too

>>723839730 (OP)
accept that oot is mid, celebrate botw, you will cut it off at the root.

>>723840674
>>723840657
HOLY SHIT NIGGERS NO IT FUCKING ISNT A SOLUTION, I CANNOT BELIEVE "GO THIS WAY" VISION IS BEING DEFENDED IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2025

DESIGN THE ENVIRONMENTS SO THE FLOW OF THE AREA BECOMES VISUALLY OBVIOUS, WHICH FOR THE MOST PART THEY DID WITH THE LIGHTS ALREADY

>>723840860
This is diegetic, the example in the OP is not.

>>723840674
making it a toggle instead of a texture means someone has to work on either extra textures to track and swap with the option and considering the game is made with accessibility slop in mind due to focus testing demands it's clear the game isn't being developed by people who actually give a fuck, and if they do they get fired for wasting precious company time

>>723840245
I would get a little visual cue to know where to go like a small lamp on the first wall you must climb but the yellow ramps and yellow paint plastered all over every single wall you must climb as well as all those lamps is overkill, it's beyond ridiculous i can't fathom this. RE4R had far less visual cues and it's a much darker game

>>723839730 (OP)
Jesus Christ, this is a straight path pretty much. What's the fucking point?????

>>723840890
it's not about making it visually obvious. even in shit like uncharted the devs relied on glowing platforming bits even when the games are hallways
there's always a literal retard around and she is a customer too

>>723839730 (OP)
making the entire interactable look completely different instead of just putting some paint on it would be an idea. So instead of splashing some yellow paint on this ridge it should look completely different from the other rock or be a ramp to begin with.

>but if it's a ramp then the player can't do the cool wall jumps

you aren't supposed to fill your levels with meaningless wall jumping, that's called slop and lazy level design. Your levels need to be interesting and cool whether they have a bunch of useless wall jumping added into every section or not. Wall jumping like this is supposed to be for secret areas, instead they put this stuff everywhere now.

>>723839730 (OP)
fucking hell that looks awful

>>723841038
>even in shit like Retard Normalfag Appeal: The Series
Might as well point to The Last of Us or Call of Duty

>>723841280
Literally every professionally made video game out there wants to appeal to retarded normalfags.

>>723840428
No, retard. Even if you include it as an option the game and levels will still be designed with it in mind.

>>723839730 (OP)
I'm glad there's also yellow panels to mark the Designated Jumping Zone™ so you don't have to figure out where you are and aren't allowed to Jump™.

>>723840257
kek you got owned, faggot

>>723841038
>even in shit like uncharted
What does that mean?

>>723840428
Only if it's off by default, or you end up with cases like Skyrim where you can turn quest markers off and then it makes the game unplayable because now there's literally zero clues where you're supposed to be going at all because the game was designed with quest markers being on.

>>723839730 (OP)
/v/tards when they go outside and see a dandelion (it's yellow)

Games aren't art. Art doesn't appeal to the lowest common denominator like this

Society should stop bending over backwards for stupid people, they should be told that if something isn't for them, either leave or learn.

>>723841690
I look like this.

>>723839730 (OP)
Idk tell the devs to stop hand holding blind retards and let them get filtered since they have no sense of direction

>>723839730 (OP)
In a older game they would come up with a reason for this, like you're tracking some wounded monster with yellow blood

>>723841896
they cant
their paycheck comes from people that dont care and just want line to go up.

>>723841896
But then they make less money

>>723842027
I don't care about their paycheck.
You can make a shit game and get fired
or
You can make a slightly less shit game and still get fired.
You're choice.

Environmental clues that could realistically be part of the world.
Playing around with lightning near an object of interest.
Clever camera angles that put focus on something interactable.
Interactable 3d models having their brightness slightly increased in comparison to the environment around it. Enough that you'll notice if you're paying attention, but not too much to the point it looks distracting.
I dunno, stuff like that could probably help.

>>723839730 (OP)
Keep mocking it and shaming developers who use it. Treat THEM like idiots.

And people still wonder why there are still fans for games like the original Tomb Raiders
>>723840974
Bruh you are retarded. Materials can have variables on them to switch aspects. Whenever creating the material you would have the decals predefined to read that toggle (like paint decal) and whatever other material associated would also have that predefinition (like the yellow material of the ramps)

Yellow paint is to level design what generative AI is to art design.

>>723840860
Botw is not even zelda game, its ubislop open world.

>>723840072
This but don't even bother pirating them

>>723839730 (OP)
White paint master race reporting in. Suck it, pee paint lovers

>>723846117
Sovl

even pokemon doesnt use yellow paint lmao

>>723839730 (OP)
I'm glad Itagaki didn't get to see this

>>723839730 (OP)
How else would you know where to go? Do you not use them IRL?

>>723839730 (OP)
The blowing wind thing from Ghost of Tsushima was cool. Bit of an ass pull but it worked well with the game's tone.

>>723847584
>Must've been the wind!

>>723840860
>accept that oot is mid, celebra-ACKK!!

OK Vee answer me this you fuckers, what's the longest you ever spent looking around for a way to proceed and did you ever give in and look it up?

Happened to me just the other day. I was replaying The Darkness after 13 years and I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to get out of a room. 10 fucking minutes I spent jumping around, looking around for nooks and crannies. Eventually I looked up a YT playthrough and all you had to do was push some object outta the way with your demon arm. Y'see I thought the demon arm was tap R1 for a slash attack. I don't remember the game ever telling me to hold R1 to grab shit. Would yellow paint have helped me in that situation? No. But a tutorial prompt reminding me how to grab stuff probably would have.

Whatever happened to experimentation and exploration? There are only so many things that you can do in games so you can exhaust all options very quickly assuming you're smart enough to only try them once.

i've never played ninja gaiden, I assumed these games were in feudal japan but it looks modern? Why don't they just shoot people with guns why are we fighting with swords>?

>>723848269
>I assumed these games were in feudal japan
Nope

>>723840860
>accept that oot is mid
Average yellow paint slopper wouldn't get past the deku tree desu; they'd get hardblocked by the webs.

>>723848436
ludokino

I refuse to play games with yellow paint, unless there are mods that remove it

>>723848510
>Yellow paint is...LE BAD

>>723848436
The thing is I'm nearly 40 and yet I just never played a ninja gaiden game before. Always just assumed it was another japanese samurai type of action game.

Maybe I should try one of these days, can you just start 4 without any previous knowledge?

>>723848269
>these games were in feudal japan
The first level in NGB has you on a zeppelin.

>>723848564
>Yellow paint is...LE GOOD

>>723848605
Ryu's dragon ninja clan live in an undisturbed secret village so there's some elements like that. But the series takes place in a neo-tokyo future world. No idea if you need prior knowledge for 4, I didn't play it lol

>YELLOW PAINT - BAD
>SPINNING YELLOW OBJECT THAT MAKES JINGLY NOISE AND MAKES NUMBER GO UP - GOOD

>>723847584
I ended up hating this because the contrails were really obnoxiously bright and you still had to use their awful UI to place markers on a map. I like actual maps that are required for navigating, but game maps are over-depended on despite being useless and making the world feel smaller than it needs to. I think the wind should have been a swipe up to lead you to the nearest primary quest and a swipe down to lead you to the nearest secondary quest and there would be no map, codex, gear menu, any of that bullshit.

The animals that alert you to things were also dumb. The only one that actually fit was the smoke on the horizon letting you know where the camps were.

why is the game so fucking dark
put a light somewhere and maybe you'll be able to actually see the ground so you won't need the paint

>>723848891
You get a reward for collecting them so yeah

This is the very beginning of the game aka the tutorial level, it stops becoming a thing very quickly but of course niggas on /v/ dont play vidya anyway.

Replace it with red paint. That way, it instead comes across as intentional environmental suspense because of its resemblance to blood stains.

>>723839730 (OP)

The entire reason its a problem is because modern game devs have no idea how to properly design levels from a physical and visual standpoint to naturally guide players through them in the current age of GRAFIX. Until the devs get better, the problem will only get worse.

>>723849147
I would literally prefer a little popup that says "Ryu can run along walls" the first time you do it than have this.

>>723849147
>>723849392
Literally just put the player in a situation where they'll be forced to do something they never did because they didn't know they could.

>>723849643
Just have your character look in the general direction of what you have to do next. Fucking old PS1 Resident Evil and Silent Hill games did this for items on the ground. It's possible, we have the technology.

>>723848891
This but unironically.

>>723839730 (OP)
>yellow paint epidemic.
>retards had to be fed colorful scooby snacks along a trail in every platformer throughout the 90s-2000s.
lol

>>723850029
Meeh half of those collectables are just lying around, they don't lead you anywhere.

>>723839982
>impregnated fortress falls to lone guy because of a vengeful painter

>>723849392
>>723849643
>>723849880

You know this, I know this. The devs either don't know, or are terrified the average gobshite will get stuck for 3 seconds and just give up.

>>723850029

>Comparing lazy and obnoxious non-diegetic signposting leading the player around by the nose, to breadcrumb pickups that the player naturally wants to collect leading them in the intended direction

Either bait, or you just don't grasp the topic in the first place.

>>723839730 (OP)
The white paint/bird poop in the first Tomb Raider reboot was fine. Why can't we go with that instead of this yellow stuff?

>>723839730 (OP)
It really is getting retarded

>>723839730 (OP)
make it at least blend into the world

>>723839730 (OP)
Is this a joke?

>>723841418
No

Elden Ring’s yellow paint led you to areas underleveled which is pretty funny in restrospect.

>>723847935
>weapon broke
>searching through the shit menu for a new one
PEAK nu-zelda experience

>>723850029
holy false equivalence

>>723850407
Sovl

>>723850289
>>723850527
>he can't explore the path without collecting 999 nuts
you think you're better than white paint but you're just the same as them and even gacha shitters.
lol

>>723850482
elden ring had yellow paint? I guess you mean the grace arrows but not a single soul followed that shit

>>723850407
You can also disable runner vision

>>723839730 (OP)
Le hardcore game for hardcore gamer btw
Embarrassing

Probably campaign that its not color blind friendly. It seems thats the kind of thing you need to do to influence these pencil pushing fucks.

>>723839730 (OP)
I really wonder why they thought they had to include this shit. No other platinum game has yellow paint and it's already linear as fuck.

>>723839982
>Mission: Assassinate the Clumsy Painter

>>723840428
It shouldn't be paint splotches, even if you're such a hack that bright color coding is the only way you know to direct player attention there are alternatives to throwing random decals everywhere like JUST MAKING SHIT HAVE COLORED HIGHLIGHTS IN THE FUCKING FIRST PLACE

>>723839730 (OP)
Fire every outsourced QA tester and replace them with QA departments that actually tell their testers what to do properly. Because that's what this ultimately boils down to. Testers are only assigned specific chunks of each game, so the guys testing the stuff later in the game complain that they don't know what to do if it was taught by the game in the early levels. You can easily teach the player how to properly pick up on cues on where to go, but the testers won't realize that if they're only testing later levels without any proper oversight. So they just slap yellow paint on everything so even the most braindead intern can test the game.

>>723850627
discourse-muddying bait desu

>>723839730 (OP)
Red (yellow?) herrings. Make games where copious yellow paint always leads to dead ends, without any rewards or secrets either. Have enough games do this until gamers don't associate bright yellow surfaces with "go this way to win!"

>>723841418
Yellow paint makes for lazy level design and even lazier gamers.

>>723839730 (OP)
yellow paint that leads directly into the open mouth of like a big worm dude that eats you. Just do it a lil bit into the game as a joke and the player will get the idea

>>723839730 (OP)
Turn it into a shame toggle for dipshit retards who can't intuit basic vidya navigation.

>>723839730 (OP)
Stopping DSP, game journos and their ilk streaming and reviewing games.

>>723848182
>/v/ are all god gamers who never make mistakes
Cool

>>723839730 (OP)
Be okay with players getting lost.

Ironically, NG4 is one of the games where I’m ALMOST okay with it, since
>navigation has nothing to do with the actual gameplay you’re there for
>there are secret items if you don’t go the right way, so you need to know which path is intended so you know which way to go instead, lest you cross a point of no return into a fight

When your game is “walk from fight to fight” making the walking mindless is kind of okay. I mean in Furi you could literally press a button to make your character auto-walk from one boss to the next.

>>723850836
Because it’s The Done Thing now in game design.

>>723847935
there is more than one attack you can perform with 2-handed weapons, you retard.

>>723849880
Platinum have excellent tech for this, by the way, they use it beautifully in Transformers Devastation
>cutscene shows door unlocking
>camera lerps back from the view of the unlocked door to the position of the player, so the player understands where the door is in relation to their current position

>>723852448
Only by total retards just really weird to see in a platinum game of all thinngs

>>723852537
Dilate, nu-zelda fag

>>723852631
It’s popular in modern hi-def game design because you can no longer rely on “the stuff that’s obviously more detailed” to communicate that something is relevant or interactable.

>>723839730 (OP)
mods

>>723852684
That doesn't make any sense when the game is a hallway simulator

>>723839730 (OP)
it's a lazy solution to level design, just needs more effort put into it

>>723841005
This was a problem area for testers and journalists

>>723840860
what's extra baffling is this is dungeon 4.

>>723839730 (OP)
Literally just don't use the color yellow, and integrate things just a little bit.
SH2 remake used the color white to draw attention. Usually white fabric, which might hang loose and flutter in the wind, or be tightly wrapped near a crawlspace. Or sometimes they would use a bright flickering light. It looked fine, and didn't feel like a "hey, dumbass, go here" design.

>>723852773
Agreed. Though NG4 only puts it on parkour sections, as if to remind the player how to get across gaps. After the tutorial segment you mostly only see the yellow on wallrun surfaces and the ramps leading up to them. OP webm is literally from the tutorial mission.

>>723839730 (OP)
telling the lowest common denominator to go fuck themselves and learn to be lost a little bit

>>723853016
Yes, it did. The white fabric was just yellow paint but recolored. I noticed it IMMEDIATELY.

>>723840072
>le vote with your wallet!!!
yeah because that works so well

>>723853103
Alright, I actually felt the same, but it was at least an improvement over just splattering yellow paint everywhere

>>723839982
>Find some random dude spilling paint everywhere while you're back tracking
>Kill him
>Seemingly nothing happens
>Any future unexplored areas you go to have no yellow paint
Would be kino, but normies would riot at such a soulful Easter egg, so nothing like that will ever happen.

>>723853109
Yes, it absolutely does work.
People pay shitloads of money for gacha -> gacha overtakes the market.
You think voting with your wallet doesn't work just because you were on the losing side? Are you simple?

>>723853468
whales pay for gatcha, not people.

>>723839730 (OP)
Maybe it could be toggleable, something like an option to turn 'visual aide' on and off in the settings, or maybe something related to the difficulty setting.

Another option would be to just not do this hand holding,. Give some instructions, maybe show it on the map, but let the player figure out where he needs to go, where he can climb, where he should jump, etc.

>>723840325
NTA but it is unrealistic to expect people to not buy a game just because of some paint splatter, though I guess letting devs know that they don't need to hold the player's hand all the time would be good.

>>723839982
fpbp

>level designers are so lazy now that generating lighting and intelligent eye catching marks that blend into the environment is a lost art because of how you can just dump all that shit into a scene using UE5 automatically
>everything in the environment is so detailed that everything looks non-descript
>have to add immersion breaking glaring elements to the environment to showcase what part of the level is actually playable
Yet another reason why modern game design is dogshit.

>marior jumps out of pipe
>no yellow paint guiding me to the castle????
>scream in confusion until dad runs in and starts beating me with a belt
how was i supposed to know to jump into the painting? game developers, please add yellow paint, make games for me.

>>723850029
>collectathon game has collectibles scattered around the environment to influence where you should go, a vestige of 2d platformers that would use coins/pickups to direct you where to jump toward offscreen to avoid pitfalls/traps etc

>yellow paint existing in a scene where it would have no reason to be because the art of directing a scene is dead due to deferred rendering and UE5 slop so every environment looks generic as fuck and there is no indication of what is playable and what isnt unless you slap some very blatant gross bullshit there

>>723839730 (OP)
Giant fucking arrows, like in the arcade games.

>>723854248
yeah i see floating golden music notes every time on the way to work. ive NEVER seen paint.

>>723840325
>Thing that doesn't bother or effect 99.99999% of players
>Thing that helps the 0.0000001% who are a little slow

If this is what you need to cry about, you should seriously consider getting a new hobby and doing something better with your pathetic excuse of a life

>>723847935
>Purposely waits for attack chain to restart
>Purposely keeps items to "BTFO" zelda fags when 99.99% of people sell it all for money

I'll never understand the fags who go out of their way to play for HOURS to record 5 seconds of a clip to post a "Gotcha!" on an anonymous image board

I thought you guys were memeing but literally everything is yellow painted. Please tell me it goes away after the first level

>>723854248
It's some retard baiting; engaging him beyond just calling him a retard is giving him far more attention than he deserves.

>>723854486
When even normie retards on youtube and reddit are complaining about how retarded it is, it is an issue. This can be said about literally anything.

>>723839730 (OP)
Half the time people complain about Yellow Paint, it turns out Yellow Paint is actually NORMAL in the real life setting that they're in.

>>723840860
I dunno why they felt the need to explain that.

>>723848605
>Always just assumed it was another japanese samurai type of action game
no nono, it's THE ninja game

Someone please upload a save file with the game beaten once I fucking hate Yakumo.

>>723839730 (OP)
>Ninja Gayden

I refuse to believe peiple are retarded enough to need these eyesores and can't just explore

>>723850683
And it's not always the fasted route.

>>723855007
this is what oatmeal sama meant when he said games insult your inteligence. Devs assume the average retard can't remember basic exploration moves like wallrunning or walljumping, even the controls are on screen during fights

>>723854728
>The justification for yellow paint/signage irl is that it's often for safety and caution, using the hue's eye catching nature to its advantage
>The justification for yellow paint in video games is that you're a fucking retard.

>>723855164
ok? if it's used in the same places IRL why would it be an issue in those places in games?

Warning: Disingenuous niggers are ITT!

Everyone who adds this obvious shit went to game design college and are mad when players call it lazy and retarded. The painters must justify their game "design" degrees.

>>723855409
Games are made with DSP in mind these days

>>723854249
i really liked that you could turn it off in mirrors edge but even with it on it felt like it was part of the art style.
wtf happened to game design?

>>723855223
>same places
Different places

Uuh ninja gaidenbros I thought our game was supposed to be le heckin hardcore??!

>>723852637
peak gameplay

>>723854249
few understand this.

>>723850645
>Forgetting all the people who beelined to Margit who then got their asses beat by him

>>723839730 (OP)
I like the way the Jedi Survivor games did it. No yellow paint anywhere, yet platforming was still fluid and recognizable.

>>723848458
kek this was me as a 7 year old and had to buy the strategy guide.

>>723848605
depends what you want
for NG4 you don´t need previous knowledge they tell everything in just half a minute in the very beginning after the tutorial but the game is really different to how it was played before, now it´s more like a DMC
now mind you the game is 70$ but the master collection wich has the trilogy is right now on sale, for a beginner the master collection is good enough it doesn´t have the best version of ninja gaiden 1 and sadly it has the worst version of ninja gaiden 2 but with ninja gaiden 3 it´s kinda worth it for that last game alone if you can get it on sale.
the best version of ninja gaiden 1 it´s ninja gaiden black and the best version of ninja gaiden 2 it´s just the normal one , you can buy both on the xbox if you have it , if not again master collection it´s good and if it´s on sale even better. now those game are similar to ng4 but they have a more unique identity to themselves since it was not made by platinum games but by team ninja
the first 3 games are good but don´t go thinking it plays just like DMC or bayonetta or you will leave with a sour taste in your mouth
also if you are looking for a story , on ninja gaiden it doesn´t matter and the story on ninja gaiden 3 it´s pretty bad . personally i think NG4 has a worse story , it has a lot of plot holes and honestly you cannot even just past it over like with the first 2 games since platinum likes having drama in their games and they always try to have you engaged to the story even if that´s a really bad choice, they will interrupt you after every fight to have a codex talk all the time

>>723839730 (OP)
Silent Hill f didn't have this problem. It used shepherd the player.

>>723854249
Diegetic is the best.

>>723848458
I beat the game without the horse because I thought you had to win the horse in the race, which is impossible; instead of get the horse to win the race. You can hookshot over to Geruda Valley. You can even get the big goron sword without it.

>>723839730 (OP)
What was the first game to do this? I'm not talking some sort of vague signposting but just literally splattering an object in yellow paint.

>>723854728
>painted lines in a warehouse are the same as random splatters "dIaGeTiCaLy" pointing the way forward in a linear game

Brother is unironically advocating for the stanley parable adventure line.

If the lines make sense in an environment AND lead the player about, they're not a problem, in the same way having emergency exit signs in interior environments to bullshit players back out make sense.

>>723854728
No one is painting ladders and sides of mountains yellow in the real world.

>>723850482
>>723856574
Still no idea what you are talking about. Elden Ring's equivalent was those gargoyles up high you activated that pointed to dungeons.

>>723858392
idiot

>>723841751
Some art does. Some art doesn't.

>>723859002
They're talking about the Guidance of Grace moron.

My, how the gay ninja den has fallen

come play star shitizen

>>723839730 (OP)
>Better coordination between teams
>Better scheduling
>Better pipeline
>No outsourcing
The current workflow is untenable when you have level design blocking out, followed by more final asset population, followed by playtesting, followed by hackjob fixes.
>>723840428
Like map markers and minimaps, this is not a case of a studio designing things for retards, it's just the only way they can design a game under shitty management, they only sell it as accessibility after the fact because it sounds better.

>>723859101
You can take your (You) back retard. I'm content to just be right.

There are a million ways to lead the player from place to place that don't require buckets of yellow splashed on everything. A lot of them are purely design based, using light, leading lines, environmental clues and so on. Even more of them can be made from the structure of the game where entities and enemies can be demonstrated to move through the environment, or goals can be presented based on landmarks and even explicit signage.

It's just fucking stupid to abandon all that in favor of coating every ledge with HEY LOOK AT ME I'M THE WAY TOWARDS THE NEXT RETARDED CUT-SCENE yellow.

>>723850029
>using an image of donkey kong collecting one of the main collectables
what argument is being made here?

>>723839730 (OP)
Putting a little work into some specific lighting tricks is the answer but that takes effort and isn't as retard proof as yellow tape/paint/etc.