Thread 723902292

>Even big journo sites are shitting on Z-A.
This is big. These guys are practically forced to give good reviews or they'll lose their early review copies, yet they're still calling the game bad.
The writing is on the wall, there's no way Nintendo can allow Pokemon games to continue like this, and the fact they refuse to release sales figures only makes it look worse.

>>723902292 (OP)
>The writing is on the wall, there's no way Nintendo can allow Pokemon games to continue like this, and the fact they refuse to release sales figures only makes it look worse.
Sales figures will be posted in Nintendo's quarterly report, but since the last quarter ended on Sep 30, we won't have data including Z-A until the first 2026 report in early February.

>>723902292 (OP)
>These guys are practically forced to give good reviews or they'll lose their early review copies,
It's Nintendo, they never had that privilege anyway.

switch shills are scared to talk out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-C3rJMRegQ

>>723902292 (OP)
>MIGA owned media is attacking Pokemon
I'm shocked! SHOCKED!
Still bought pokemon, still know they're covering up the esptein list

>>723902979
About?

Without coping, explain to me how the game that runs at 60fps is supposed to be received worse than the last games that ran like shit and looked even worse.

>>723902957
Seriously, read the reviews on both of those generations. Then realize they mean jack shit in terms of profits for nintendo.

>>723902957
Yeaah, let's listen to tailor swift and watch avatar while drinking bud. i love top sellers!

>>723903024
What the fuck even is "MIGA"? I avoid American politics but keep seeing this from time to time.

>>723902825
I hate pokemon too but the truth is poketards love this shit and will buy the next game. Pokemon is too big to fail, gen 10 will have 0 effort put into it and it'll make its money back hours after release

>>723903249
It's the Nintendo oxymoron.
Performance is judged when gameplay is better than the recent releases and vice versa.

>>723903321
>Nintendo making money is more important to a tendie than their best friends releasing good games
Grim.
They aren’t cultists btw. Never call them that because they aren’t.

>>723903321
>reading reviews

>>723903249
It turns out that Arceus is a fun experience with a bunch of unique biomes to explore, while Z-A is just rooftops, public parks, and a small sewer system.
Plus the whole gimmick of ranking up from Z to A includes a huge leap from.V to F because the developers knew the game didn't have enough staying power to support you ranking up 25 times, so they let you skip 16/25 potential levels.

>>723903362
the true shape of the goyslave states of america

>>723903249
SV should of gotten like a >40 on metacritic. Problem is no critic has the balls to truly run pokemon though the mud. Review copies make a good bribe.

>>723903369
No shit they love it. Do you think that pokemon suddenly stops being a perfected monster tamer because you bitch and moan about it?

Literally who?

>>723903362
"Make Israel Great Again"
implying that the US government and those who support it are actually supporting zionists/jews, etc. which they are, of course.

>>723903537
>perfected monster tamer
poketards are truly mental

>series
>2 entries if you include this one
>has objectively better combat than the first
The only valid complaint is that the whole game is just in a city, if they let us explore the actual kalos map it would have been a straight improvement
That rank skip shit was also retarded I guess, here I thought the endgame was actually gonna be around lvl 100s for once

>>723903649
Okay, explain why that's not the case

>>723903696
>has objectively better combat than the first
I haven’t seen this cope yet, that’s new.
Any way to justify the $70 premium and $30 day one dlc right?

>>723902292 (OP)
>screen rant

Pfffttt hahaha

>>723903735
He can't. No one can.

>>723902292 (OP)
this isn't written by the journo who wrote the review for the game under this site btw
their reviewer gave it a 9/10 :)

>>723903784
You mean the $60 stabdard and $30 expansion releasing in February. You don't have to lie you know.

>>723903342
nobody is defending the fact that these dogshit games continue to generate infinite income. its embarrassing and depressing, but trying to deny that "you'll buy it anyway" is 100% true is pure cope

>>723904015
No the $70 premium and the $30 dlc that was announced before the game released.

>>723903024
>>723903475
>>723903564
Why do third worlders need to bring jews into literally every single discussion? You lost. Nobody gives a shit how many of your terrorists got bombed.

>>723903649
Kek my thoughts exactly

>>723903735
>normal game
catch ghosts and dark monster in an abandoned building. catch electric and metal monsters in an industrial park. catch bugs and plants at a botanical garden
>pokeshit
lol rooftops and small patches of grass

>>723904095
Okay, I'll defend it when you can find that game.

>>723903249
>60fps
Wrong thread? No switch games run at 60 fps.

Pokemon games are made on a shoestring budget. They could literally release the games for like $1 and still turn a profit on most releases

>>723902292 (OP)
it's over pokesaars

>>723904202
Because they know their nigger fanbase will buy literal cardboard

>>723904112
I'm sorry. Maybe I shouldn't have asked. It did answer my question but I'm kinda disappointed, I thought it was an actual serious political term but ended up being the usual idpol stuff.
I'll take my leave as this thread will become a horrid flamewar pile anyway and mods are busy fapping in some gacha thread

>the game isn’t $70!!!
I don’t understand why tendies do this. The same way they deny that Nintendo is selling multiple games at $80. It’s a baffling defense mechanism. I understand they’re cultists but there has to be some rationale for them doing this constantly.

>>723904191
so do you get off on being called a retard or what?

>>723904202
Explain how AC1 could have 3 big cities, semi open world areas, voice acting and hundreds of different textures, buildings and npcs despite having budget only a tiny bit higher than Z-A.

>>723904112
Eglinfag detected

>>723904397
Holding Nintendo games to industry standards makes you a snoy.
Also don’t forget to mention that assassin’s creed was only $60 without day one dlc. Or how it predated having Nintendo’s Ubisoft towers by a decade.

>>723904174
So it's bad because grass is one of the many different spots to encounter monsters?

>>723903249
It's simple really. Scarlet and Violet, despite all their flaws, were better than Sword and Shield. But ZA is worse than Arceus. That's it.
Sword and Shield being worse than Sun and Moon was not a problem because Gamefreak's reputation was still doing well during those days.

>>723904397
Baffling the game costs more than a million to make when I've seen student projects that look better and are more ambitious.

>>723902292 (OP)
You know it's bad when reviewers say "it's ok... by pokemon standards"

>>723904634
I can see you're only interested in being a disingenuous cunt. Fuck off.

>>723904374
>I don’t understand why tendies do this
You don't understand why they fact check?
Damn, no wonder you're all so bad at this.

>>723904827
What, no snarky response or another lie?

>>723902292 (OP)
How the hell could someone enjoy Arceus but not ZA?

>>723902292 (OP)
>2 games
>tarnished the series
why are journos like this?

>>723904872
>being too poor to own a switch 2
Lmao
You’re a lesser human

>>723904671
>Sword and Shield being worse than Sun and Moon was not a problem because Gamefreak's reputation was still doing well during those days.
SwSh was crucified for looking and running like shit (people post le low poly tree to this day) and having a bad story and bad gimmick. Genwun pandering was still in full swing with CHARIZARD champion and the Let's Go game, Megas and Z-Moves were cut for Dynamax, and the final great betrayal happened with #Dexit where people were calling for Game Freak's head because they couldn't transfer their Shitdingus from their copy of Pearl they played when they were 6.

It went on to be the best selling Pokémon game in 20 years because none of this shit matters if you're not a terminally online manchild.

>>723903735
>>723903937
Where to start, how about graphical issues. When they aren't glitching they are just graphically underwhelming. Compare RS to Golden Sun, Compare XY and SM to Dragon Quest, Compare SwSh and SV to... well anything for those crapfests. Not to mention the frame rate and performance issues. Smash 3ds can run 60fps with 4 players and 3d on. Pokemon drops to >10fps with 3d and triple battles. The game cant have 6 mons on screen without massive issues. The fact that GF response was to remove triple battles rather than optimizing shit tell you their attitude. Hell how about the fact that they see the battle frontier as useless to add because they dont think it can compete with mobile games.
Gameplay wise what meaningful changes have they done past gen 2? Megas? Z-moves? Well apparently not because they removed them past gen 7. Also what the fuck is the point of home? Like you remove pokemon from pokemon with the switch despite having the models and animations but no lets lower the bar and not use the resources we have. Ok, so whats the point of using home then? To look at the pokemon and nothing more? Why cant we battle in pokemon home? Wouldn't it be nice if we can use the pokemon we stored in home to fight? Perhaps online battles with the roster of 1000+ pokemon? No thats too much work, how about instead you stare at a .jpg. Talk about wasted potential, I honestly think home could of been a competitor to showdown. And thats the frustrating part wasted potential. That sums up pokemon so well. I really wish any other studio could take a crack at the IP with a core game. Hell do what cod did in its golden age, where you want yearly release, fine but we'll have different entries from different studios and rotate who's you get what year. But no that wont happen because pokemon fans are content with the status quo. Why fix what ain't broke.
If I ever get the urge to play pokemon ill either play a fan game or my old copy of fire red or crystal.

>>723905178
>lists all the faults the games had
>gleefully announced that it sold 20 million copies
Not a cultist btw.

Legends had more fun catching and exploration, but the battles were total ass. ZA is better in some ways, worse in others. The series would have to have a solidly good entry for it to be capable of being tarnished

>723905282
I'm not reading that.

>>723905307
27 million, actually >>723902957

>>723904872
if you click the other button there it checks and reveals the fact that you're a colossal faggot :^}

>>723905351
I feel like they have some good ideas that could be put forward to make a really good game, but isnt that always the case
>new game comes out
>fucks up everything
>does one or two things really well
>"If they add [thing they did well] to a new game, itll be the best game ever!"
>new game comes out
>fucks up everything
You get the idea

>>723902292 (OP)
Is this the most divisive game of 2025?

>>723905460
adhd is a real bitch huh?
but ya thats what happens when somebody asks to say whats wrong with pokemon. Hell I could of gone on more but I hit the 2000 character limit

Imagine being so desperate for a win you have to cling to ScreenRant

>>723905628
Don’t waste your energy on the cultist anon. One who’s too poor to even afford his friend’s latest console no less.

>>723905351
The battles don't even work right though
>if the pokemon is too big, the attack fly over the other smaller pokemon, which means moves that create projectiles in inherently bad
>if you fight on a rooftop that's too small, the pokemon just fall off and warp back up while the moves happen on ground level
>polemons during the ticket collecting part just get stuck into the geometry, sometime become unhittable because they're in the environmental objects.

>>723905697
Imagine being such a cultist you defend a billion dollar company because you think they’re your friend.

>>723905657
if you like pokemon is a pokemon game and nothing more
if you dont like pokemon it sucks.
if you're a critic you must say you love it or your job is at risk

>>723902957
Scarlet and Violet would have done Animal Crossing numbers if it didn't release on 10-year-old phone hardware huh

Why is OP trooning out?

>>723905819
You gotta remember that nintencultists got someone fired for giving HECKING ZELDARINO a 8.8. That shit is nothing new.

>>723905628
I honestly don’t understand what that cultist was even trying to prove.

>>723905460
>>723905874
hey newfag learn how to respond to people
its two >
>one is a greentext like this

>>723905016
Because the western Pokemon fanbase is OBSESSED with this abstract concept of “””real Pokemon””” which is basically “those episodes of the anime where Ash is in the woods but without a kid filter over the world”

>>723906194
He was too busy seething to want to reply to me. Maybe he felt called out lmao

>723906194
>723906296
Thanks for the tip, kind stranger

>>723905016
>Arceus
>Catch the mons
>Run around a reasonably large natural area
>Easy to experience alpha mons that can and will wreck your shit
>Rarely need to battle, but can whenever you want
>Actual antagonist behind the bad stuff
vs.
>Much more linear exploration
>super tiny wild mon zones
>Forced to repeatedly engage in the trainer battle system
>Enemy Pathfinding AI is shit (something that didn't matter in Arceus being turn-based)
>Wild Alphas were more imposing and threatening than the new megas
>Can't just catch a mega like you could an Alpha.
>'Good guys" are literally evil

>>723905282
All your complaints are about graphics and performance (not even true anymore because ZA runs at 60fps). Face it, the monster tamer formula has been perfected by Pokemon. The only improvement we can get now is more non-gameplay related stuff like interactions similar to Palworld, but considering Palworld shit the bed when it comes to the actual RPG mechanics it's easier said than done to have a complete experience.

>>723905628
Doesn't matter, lowest price winsand the lowest price you can get it for us 60.

>>723906398
>Palworld shit the bed when it comes to the actual RPG mechanics
Pokemon isn't any better

>>723905178
That's only with the extreme online pokefans. Most pokefans just bought the game with no context. Gamefreak's stock was still pretty high with normies back then.
Nowadays, you have freaking penguinz(or whatever the fuck that guy's youtube name is) who is literally the king of normies and reddit shitting on your game. Even normies are fed up. It's not just a niche minority anymore.

>>723906361
>three hours into the game
>you've explored everything, the game breaks down into quick traveling from one event to the other
that's the biggest sin.

>>723906528
Lmfaoo
Nintencultist copes are starting to get more sad and less funny. You might as well say you can get the game for $0 since you can emulate it.

>>723902292 (OP)
>even
why are you retarded?

>>723902292 (OP)
>It doesn't feel like the right kind of evolution
Maybe because there's no evolution at all?
It's literally inferior to the previous ones even though the bar was already so low...

>>723906579
>Even normies are fed up. It's not just a niche minority anymore.
This is word for word what #Dexit fags were saying after SwSh

>>723903490
SV got a critic rating of 71, no?
because yahtzee was actually right, and the 10-scale is fundamentally broken, 7 is the same as saying "this barely functions and is boring".

>>723903362
>>723904112
don't reply to him he's a sharty raider who got a little mad when his favorite franchise isn't doing well so he raids pokemon shitposting threads

>>723906579
That claim doesn't work when >>723902957 is 100% reality. If this game sells at least as much as the last legends game then it shows that e-celebs are worthless and only complete niggerfaggots care about them.

>>723902825
>there's no way Nintendo can allow Pokemon games to continue like this
Nintendo already told Gamefreak to get help and outsource work, and Gamefreak said fuck off.
The state of the Pokemon series is 100% Gamefreaks fault.

>>723902292 (OP)
>Screenrant
>big journo site
literally all their articles are A.I..

The games are shovelware to sell toys lmao, they don't even fucking matter as anything but a promotion vehicle for the next goods

>>723906556
It factually is. And I say this as someone who has 40 hours in Palworld.

>>723905797

Projecting a little too hard there.

>>723902292 (OP)
keep dancing for me, macaco.

>>723902292 (OP)
Thank god, I'm tired of having to be so pessimistic and fans of these games act like I kicked their puppy.

>>723906884
I garantee you this game is selling way less than legends Arceus. People want to disregard the UK sales, but that has never been wrong before.

>>723902292 (OP)
couldn't tarnish it much more than scat and vomit have
the nger infestation is deplorable though
>>723902957
you retard, they're coasting on brand name recognition. the games suck donkey dick. no one's asking for 10 years of development like digimon time stranger, but holy shit, just look how badly they downgraded the game from the leaked builds. all the cut modes, including the ability to have your pokemon out at all times (wild areas weren't a thing at all in early builds)

>>723907002
>I-it is because I say it is!
Not an argument

>>723902292 (OP)
>spinoff series with 2 entries is TARNISHED
Not like you can tarnish Pokemon much more than it already is at this point anyways. I'm convinced GF hates Pokemon but they can't do anything else so here we are and will continue to be.

>>723906645
If that's your new cope then sure but you know something? That emulated version is the $60 version.

>>723902292 (OP)
Game is shit and nobody fucking cares about what vidya media has to say about it. Also gorillions of copies will be bought by nintendies

>>723904397
inflation, you fucking retard. have you taken it into account you dumbfuck? AC released in 2007
>inb4 muh wages haven't risen that much
but costs have

>>723903490
>SV should of gotten like a >40 on metacritic.
What do you imagine that would have changed?
SV already got the most negative press of any major Pokemon game and it didn't matter at all, the games sold 10 million copies basically on day 1 and are the most successful games since Red & Blue. If anything the viral clips of people sharing funny bugs only got the games more attention and sales.
The "paid reviews" cope is completely outdated, game journos are irrelevant, you won. People buy games when they see their friends and favorite Youtubers/streamers having fun with them.

>>723906737
What would you consider evolution?

>>723906398
>All your complaints are about graphics and performance (not even true anymore because ZA runs at 60fps)
60fps =/= no graphical issue, see vid
>considering Palworld shit the bed when it comes to the actual RPG
thats something we can agree on

Personally I believe pokemon CAN prefect the monster tamer formula but has yet to do so. Low production value, mostly poor story telling. And the disconinuation of the connectivity of past games. Why get attached to my pokemon when I cant use em next year for the next game.
On the positives the world building and lore is really good, ripe for potential and despite no plans of buying any pokemon games I do wanna see the legends line continue because it is a good idea to expand the world.

>>723906361
>can’t just catch a mega
You couldn’t catch noble mon either, which is the proper analog. And the lack of battling in Arceus was a bad thing. But your point is correct that it’s easy to enjoy one and not the other

>>723907573
Kill yourself worthless peasant

>>723907506
I’m sure you’re a nice guy and all, but tendies have established that not owning a switch 2 makes you poor and brown. And If you’re too poor to afford a switch 2 then you’re too poor to talk to me.
No amount of cope will make Pokémon not be $70.
>but the $60 poor version for those of us with swarthy skin!
Don’t care, get a job.

>>723907329
They really need to go back to only making games set in Japan with only Japanese characters. Even if the games were good, I still wouldn't buy them so long as they're overflowing with niggers.

>>723907329
>they're coasting on brand name recognition.
Then why did they sell twice as much as any other Pokémon game released in the last 20 years?
Why did they sell more than Gen 2, which release at peak PokéMania?
>durr the Switch is popular
Why didn't the DS games sell this well then? Black & White is the worst-selling major title in the franchise, Scarlet & Violet is the second-best by almost double despite also basically being twice as expensive.

>screen rant
Disney shills who desperately defend DEI casting in their movies and tv shows. Funny to see them uploading shit like this considering all the effort they've made to make it seem like low box office and viewing numbers don't matter and that She Hulk and nu Star Wars are massive successes no matter what the figures say

>>723907702
>And the lack of battling in Arceus was a bad thing.
The battle system wasn't robust enough to carry the game, but as an occasional side-activity it works.

>>723905657
Not really, it's just a bunch of mad snoys seething because what else are they supposed to do, play games?

>>723907812
>but tendies have established that not owning a switch 2 makes you poor and brown.
Actually what makes you poor and brown is saying its expensive, not specifically not owning one.
Get it right anon.

>>723902292 (OP)
>The legends series

...it's two games?? How the fuck is it a series and how can it tarnish it when people seem pretty pleased with the game overall (just rightfully critical that the graphics are absolutely dreadful for a console game in 2025)

>>723907995
Cultflation
The tendie cultists during the switch era are far more rabid and happy to eat shit than they were during the DS era.
Or can the inflation excuse only be used to defend how Ubisoft was able to get a far more competent game out for the same budget at Nintendos $70 premium with day one dlc?

>>723907578
I doubt much would change had it been panned, perhaps it'll send a slight message to GF/Nintendo saying "we know its shit" but the sales matter far more. It just sucks that the critics play into the dilution that nothing is wrong with pokemon. Honestly its more about just wanting to see the "profession critics" be honest instead of saying what they need to in order to snag the next review copy.

>>723907995
you're fucking delusional for thinking video games were anywhere nearly as mainstream in the '90s or even in the mid-'00s as they are today
I'm not going to indulge you. you're a grade-a retard

>>723908198
I accept your copecession.

>>723908198
So... They're cultists now because they're acting the same way now that they did then?

>>723908145
Are you the same poor anon I was talking to earlier or another one? If the latter do you own a switch 2? I want to make sure I’m not wasting my time talking to someone poor.

>>723908297
>If the latter do you own a switch 2?
No, but I did drop money on an MGEX Unicorn, PG Banshee, Susanowo Souen and MG Gundam Virtue like two weeks ago.
Make of that what you will.

>>723908263
Pokémon has been the biggest media franchise in the world for 20 years and the DS sold 150 million consoles just like the Switch did.
What the fuck are you talking about

The fact you can skip some shit using pause in this game is already enough for me to defend it to death. Get kirk'd bitches.

>>723908024
Western Pokemon fans will without a hint of irony act like battling is not the meat of the series it's crazy

>>723908151
>How the fuck is it a series
You didn't see this month's leaks, did you?

>>723908263
Yeah, every other garbage game gets to claim it's the best selling in its series nowadays. There's probably over a hundred times as many people that play vidya today as there was in the 90s and early 2000s.

>le cultists
seek help nigger

>>723908529
In Arceus, you retard!
It's the opposite design philosophy of Colosseum where battles were everything.

>>723908469
Oh and a Plaiobot Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann.

>>723908529
Battles are the worst part of any Pokémon game and turning it into Diet Xenoblade is not an improvement whatsoever

>yet another Pokemon Derangement Syndrome thread
>now making it a political issue, so your political party determines which Pokemon games you like
I bought it. I liked it. So what?

>>723902292 (OP)
Gen 10 will immediately rebound opinion of Pokemon games back to "YAAAAAAAS I GOTTA CONSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM" because it'll be the fucking 30th anniversary game, return to turn-based form and have an excess of Kanto pandering because of said anniversary status.

>>723908615
kys pokecultist
you ruined my favorite franchise

>>723908496
in order to play games in the DS era you had to buy carts
in the switch era you can just buy them whenever. no need to find stock

>>723908529
It's not, battling was always an aside despite being better than other tamers. The main focus was always the bread and butter of monster tamers, collecting and exploring.

>>723908620
Sorry my brain is a little frazzled
What I mean is, the implication of the article in OP (and what a lot of the western fanbase believes) is that the battles are just an annoying mechanic that gets in the way of "muh survival adventure with my bros", so a game that focuses on the battling is "wrong" compared to PLA which sidelined it.

They really need to start giving out awards for Most Disappointing Game of the Year.

>>723908680
what’s the good parts? walking around and talking to npcs?
you’re a fucking retard

>>723904397
1. 15-20 million usd in 2007 is roughly equivalent to 23-31 million usd in 2025, so Z-A released on literally half the budget
2. Ubisoft (Like most "traditional" triple A devs) spend an absolute fuckton more on marketing than Nintendo does because nintendo relies on existing brand appeal
3.AC1 was literally the same copy pasted environments over, and over, and over again and the NPCs were real people face scanned in. And lets not pretend the voice acting was good by any metric.

Somewhat hilariously, I would argue that, for all its flaws, Pokemon Legends Z-A is a better game (at least, I got more enjoyment out of it) than AC1, and cost less than half of what AC1 cost to develop

AC didnt get good until 2. 1 was a glorified tech demo

Pokemon games are developed on a shoestring budget by talentless devs and the series is still so much better, but dont insult us by implying the polished middle eastern turd ubislop that is AC1 is any better

>>723902292 (OP)
Don't care still buying a Switch 2 and Z-A

>>723908746
LMFAO CRY FAGGIT YOU LOST AND GOT RAPED LMFAOOOOO

>>723908297
>>723908469
It's funny, he can't even call you poor because all of that is more than a switch 2.

Anyone who hasn't bought Z-A is poor

>>723906579
normalfags do not know who the fuck penguinz is (and neither do I)
you really overstate your niche part of the internet

>>723908535
Well its not a series yet!

I think its fair to establish conventions of a series after AT LEAST 3 games, so whenever that Galar Legends releases.

When its just two games it may as well just be either

>Game 1
>Game 2: Game 1 the expandening

Or

>Game 1
>Game 2: Its kinda like Game 1, but different!

>>723902292 (OP)
Always assume the opposite of what journalists tell you.

>>723903249
>Shit game with badly executed and meh premise runs well
>Okay game with passably executed impressive premise runs meh

>>723909119
And we know Legends Galar, at least from what we got out of the Teraleak Part 2 info, is looking to be a horde battler of sorts, where you command entire squadrons of Pokemon simultaneously to mob up against Gigantamax Pokemon.

>>723908024
The battle against Volo was great though. The game could have definitely had more battles and been better off. That’s why combining the noble pokemon real time shit with the actual pokemon battles was a good call

>>723909347
So it feels like GF sees the Legends series as its "testing grounds" for different mechanics, where it can fuck around with the formula a bit more than it can with the main games.

>>723908889
Don't care, still calling you a fanboy faggot.

>>723909415
The battle against Volo is climactic but it also reveals a lot of core problems in the game's battle system since it always devolves into a revenge kill fiesta

>>723902292 (OP)
>the legend series
>series
>it's the second game
But I'm sure all the angry tertiaries of /v/ will use this for weeks and pretend this chat gpt nonsense is real

>>723909541
Been too long for me to recall, but the system being bad and not being used much isn’t a boon to the game as you seemed to imply. They should have just improved battling and kept it a decent percentage of the game, because it’s core to making catching feel satisfying

>>723909737
>because it’s core to making catching feel satisfying
Is it though? Personally I found battling and catching/adventuring mostly disconnected when it comes to emotional rewards

>>723906898
This. Anyone who blames Nintendo for Pokémon games being in the state they are in doesn't know shit.

>>723903249
Do you honestly believe FPS is the only metric for judging a game’s quality?

>>723905178
>It went on to be the best selling Pokémon game in 20 years because none of this shit matters if you're not a terminally online manchild.
Actually, terminally online manchildren bought this game. Also the outrage from said terminally online manchildren made this game more popular than it already was. Controversy sells.

>>723908263
>>723908585
I fucking hate zoomers so much, what is this cope? We're talking about something 25-30 years ago, this isn't ancient history to speculate about, there are real business figures you can look at here.
The console(+handheld) market has been essentially stagnant since the 2000s, the growth in "gaming" over the past 20 years has come almost entirely from phone shit and PC games (Minecraft, Roblox).
Pokémon was the biggest thing in the world period in the year 2000, 100% universal pop-culture saturation, everyone and their grandmother knew what Pikachu was.
So again I will reiterate that "the Switch Pokémon games are selling better than ever only because of 'brand recognition'" is completely asinine and that "no people just weren't as into video games back then when that console sold 150 million units compared to now with this console selling 150 million units" doesn't make any fucking sense
I'm tired of your cope

>>723908747
>Scarlet & Violet sold 10 million more copies than Diamond & Pearl because going to the store and buying a Pokémon game was too hard
I pray to God that you're not old enough to vote

>>723910048
Catching a pokemon that I want to use is much more exciting than one I just put in a box. If I never have to use them, it’s less exciting

>>723910332
You're on /v/ anon, no one judges games on their gameplay anymore.

>>723910332
No, but it's all anyone's talked about when they screech about Nintendo games on here for the past decade so I want to know why they're still mad

>>723902957
Tendies really have zero standards whatsoever :/

>>723910396

Wrong on every possible count. Pokemon is a stronger brand than Harry Potter and you saw how well the tranny boycott worked against that game. HP fans didn't buy Hogwarts Legacy because of some faggy online shitflinging contest, they bought it because they're Harry Potter fans. Same with Pokemon. None of the online bullshit penetrates into the normalfag realm to affect sales, Pokemon fans are gonna buy Pokemon games sight unseen every single time.

pokemon is not a vidoegame series anymore, just accept it, its an style of life in japan pikachu is a national mascot , you are not getting "good games" anymore

pokemon is never going to appeal to you, adults need grow up and accept this franchise is not for you, stop being embarrasing, this is why they dont compete with digimon because they know digimon is the monster tamer for teens and adults

>>723910710
The only standard they have is how hard they’ll go to defend their friends at Nintendo. We even had a cultist in this thread try to argue that it wasn’t a $70 game. Honestly I wonder if he really believes it. Cultists are delusional after all.

>>723911346
>mature games for mature gamers like me

>>723911346
>this is why they dont compete with digimon because they know digimon is the monster tamer for teens and adults
As a Digimon fan no. That's absolutely wrong.

>>723911463
I always thought this was a valid response but then I saw tendies defend fetus game. After having played it I can comfortably say that that game is actually for toddlers and any adult who plays it without feeling some form of shame is a stunted manchild.

>>723902292 (OP)
>yet they're still calling the game bad
I've been playing it since it released and I would say it's not a bad game, but it's not a good game either, it's mediocre as hell, the city graphics are just the icing on the cake, but honestly speaking, the worst thing I've found throughout my playthrough is that the new combat is fucking garbage, and this makes the game feel really bad to play.
My biggest grievances are these:
>When spawning a pokemon it HAS to play an animation
>The lock-in fails constantly if you move around, basically being locked but the movements ring not visible and no movements being activated
>When the npc trainers throw a new pkmn you're forced to endure a whole attack always even if you one hit them
>The megaevolution takes a lot of r3 presses to trigger, sometimes leading to your pkmn to be killed before launching a single attack
>Overall the controls fail constantly to register the presses and usually make the combat extremely frustrating

>>723902292 (OP)
>The Legend series
>Literally the second entry
>First one was still dogshit but less than this
>Tarnished
Is this guy retarded or just a troon? Or both?

>>723911663
Congrats on missing the point, you retarded faggot.

>>723911663
You can't even describe what you supposedly played

>>723911694
Your concerns don’t matter. Go buy the dlc to support them even more you cock sucking cultist.

>>723911715
It's also well received by people that actually play the game

>>723911848
>people that actually play the game
You mean marketers

>>723911775
>tendie pretending he doesn’t know what fetus game is
Lmao
Okay

>>723911848
Calling tendies people is going a bit far, no?

>>723911937
>TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE!
is that all you can do?

I miss when Pokemon has great graphics and no bugs, like..... like.....

>>723911924
No that's the grifters on youtube and twitter farming engagement rupees

I think we should thank Nintendo for how they made this game. They gave us something to post about incessantly for the past week. Our views on all our YouTube channels are up massively as we keep making ragebait about how bad this game is. If Z-A was actually good, we’d have to play games instead of whine about them.

Not that I have any expectations for /v/ but it has been pretty funny looking in a few of these threads and seeing that at least 50% of the seething is a single rabid autist

>>723904174
Ironically all those areas are in ZA.

>>723911974
>BING BING BING
Is that all you can Wahoo?

>>723912120
Did you expect the retard to have played the game he's critiquing?

>>723910409
>I fucking hate zoomers so much
I was there, you dumb nigger. Yes, pokemon reached total market saturation. Among a demographic that was a fraction of their audience today.
I did not know a single adult who had a gameboy. Most teenagers I knew didn't have one or an interest in pokemon either. Even young girls were mostly disinterested. All of those demographics are part of the pokemon customer base today.
And that's not even getting in to stuff like the emergence of the Chinese consumer class.

I blame japan , they are the reason of the state of pokemon, they dont complain just consoom

>>723912248
>I did not know a single adult who had a gameboy.
Ohhhh so you're from some eastern shithole or something?

>>723912215
>GLOW GLOW GLOW
Is that all you can do?

>>723911834
I haven't bought a single DLC from nintendo ever, literally.
And I paid 58.99€ for the game, not the 70€ MSRP they're asking for it.

>>723902292 (OP)
Based!

>game so ass it forces corpos to be conscious for a brief moment, go against their agenda and shit on it
What's her name, /v/?

>>723912396
You still bought the game lmao
Your concerns are meaningless. They don’t matter. As far as gamefreak is concerned you’re okay with the game in its current state you dumb goy.

>>723912215
kek

>it's another /pol/ attempt to basedop /v/.
Yawn. Don't care about your shitty political views. I'm having fun playing a game I bought with my own money.

gamefreak/tpc dont like nintendo, remember sugimori is more fan of sega than nintendo, ishihara said switch would be a failure

>>723913092
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T POST NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT NINTENDO, THATS ANTISEMITIC!!!1
Revealing.

>>723911974
>TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE
>TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE
>TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE
>XBOT XBOT
>TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE
>TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE
>TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE
>XBOT XBOT
>TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE
>TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE
>TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE TENDIE
>A SNOY! A SNOY! OOOOOH IT'S A SNOY...!

>>723913438
actual lol

>>723912637
Pokemon Legends ZA.

>>723902292 (OP)
Yes Nintendo in fact can, because Gamefreak can just tell them no. They were already suggested to outsource to better studios, and they said no.
We will get garbage made by people who hate pokemon and no one can say otherwise.

>>723912330
No, the US. But you not knowing I'm telling the truth makes you seem suspiciously third world.

>>723902292 (OP)
Scarlet and Violet were way worse than ZA and did Pokemania numbers, dude

>>723915546
Good, if you have any interest in toddlerslop like Pokemon then you deserve only trash. The price of being a manchild.

>>723902292 (OP)
>Tarnished The Legends Series
Oh, just the Legends Series. Oh thank God, the mainline games are still just as good as they've always been then!

>>723904015
>$30 expansion
The budget for ZA was inclusive of the DLC while the SV budget was separated between the main game and DLC
Mega Dimensions is definitively, categorically main game content being cut out and sold as DLC.

The full main game of Legends Z-A is $100.

>>723915915
Or maybe there's no final budget because it's still in development.
Budget sheets are only signed when the project goes gold.

>>723916030
You are pathetic

>>723916226
And you don't know how businesses work.

>>723916292
You don't seem to know how Game Freak works

>>723903249
60fps (On Switch 2) with balaconies as flat textures. The geometry is extremely simple as far as a 3D game being charged at full price goes. This is on the same system that can run Cyberpunk better than previous gens and gamefreak is putting out the laziest shit ever and charging extra for it. The Switch 2 update could have easily been free, but they charged money for it.

That's without going into the gameplay, the tiny city, the stiff animations, characters moving their lips as if there was voice acting but there's actually none, and the list goes on.

>>723916369
And you have no idea how fiscal reports work, you give some shareholder a project's budget before the project is finished and that guy is going to wreck your office thinking you are pocketing the money.

>>723903735
shin megami tensei made "perfected" monster tamer games before pokemon even existed.

>>723916556
Keep coping faggot, maybe they'll send you a 50 cent credit for being such a good little slopslurper

>>723916746
Yes, anything that isn't seethe, even if its non-sense, it's slurping.
But hey, I'm sure your kid game will be good again some day.

>>723916450
I dont blame them for playing it safe after how dog shit S/V ran
Also Z-A is fun lol

>>723907573
Xister the cost of hiring devs to make a game are their wages

>>723902292 (OP)
Based. I'm playing Arceus right now and holy shit the difference in quality is ridiculous, even though the terrains looks like a PS1 game.

>>723902292 (OP)
I used to work for a medium sized game publisher ages ago
game journalists are the biggest whores imaginable
we bribed them by sending out collector's editions
like the magazine would get a review code, but the actual reviewer would get a collector's edition of their favourite weeb series for their personal collection
I also remember how some review site was giving our games unfair test scores
granted, they were middling ho-hum games but they made them out to be complete trainwrecks for clicks and to appear like independent journalists
so we stopped sending out review codes to them
a month later they came crawling back, apologizing, begging us to talk about it
most news articles were just our press announcements slightly rewritten, shortened and with the journalist's name stamped onto it
we perfected writing them, putting superfluous paragraphs in there that were meant to be removed by journalists so they could justify their paycheck to their bosses
it wasn't even fun because it was too easy

>people now saying arceus and sv were good
holy kek no wonder you keep getting garbage

>Screenrant
Did CBR not get any AI-generated articles today or something?

Come on OP, you're better than this. Or maybe not, you're both OP (a faggot) and a poster of slop, and a double faggot doesn't cancel himself out because both are HIV positive.

I traded in my copy of Arceus because, in spite of Pokefags treating it like the second coming of Christ, it was still less than the bare minimum I'd expect for a full priced game of the biggest franchise in the world. I'm not buying Z-A or any of shit Game Freak shovels out until they get their shit together and catch up to the rest of the industry. Z-A just isn't it. Thank you for reading my blog.

>>723917431
Yeah, the difference is staggering, what with the lack of actual fights, the catching being trivialized by the heavy ball, the completely empty maps and the game being 90% checklist activities like "catch 20 bidoofs".

>>723902292 (OP)
I bet they don't even mention the non-white skin.

nobody give a shit pokemon vidoegames anymore, the franchise is just merchandise even the tcg is making more money than the games now, thats why gamefreak is mad they dont get money from merchandise and tcg

>>723919196
>they dont get money from merchandise and tcg
Thanks for telling everyone you don't know how anything works.
While it is true The Pokemon Company receives a majority of profits in order to keep fueling the eternally growing merch machine, some of those profits have to split between GameFreak, Nintendo and Creatures Inc. seeing as how they hold joint ownership over Pokemon as a whole.
GameFreak isn't starving for money, they're just very strict on their budgets and investments because they know the masses will buy it anyway.

>>723917431
Agreed. It's so funny all this talk about windows and graphics when the biggest problem is simple. Arceus, despite looking worse, is several of times more fun than ZA.

>>723920031
No it fucking isn't. there's no PvP and is centered on the worst aspect of the franchise: catching.

>>723920128
>muh pvp
Shut the fuck up, faggot. No one cares about pvp. Go play fortnite or something.

>>723902292 (OP)
And, yet, Nintendo and Pokemon will keep winning. :)
I screencapped all y'all losers and can't wait until 20 million sales are confirmed again. Payback is a bitch!

>>723920407
>no one cares about the only non-braindead part of Pokemon
AKA filtered.

>>723920407
People care enough that they're locking the Kalos Starter Megas behind PVP.
People care enough that VGC is an annual event that primarily centers on PVP.
People care enough that they've completely stripped all postgame aside from Shiny/Mark Hunting because people would rather play PVP instead of thrashing retarded NPCs.

>>723908889
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/FX2z3tm-SnX4PfNuM9AMFg/
Just fucking buy it already instead of saying you're going to

>>723920512
>>723920465
Are you guys can't be for real... This is bait, right?

>>723920753
He can't, he's a poor brownoid who's coping with his poorness by ritualposting "STILL BUYING IT" in every single anti-Nintendo thread.

>>723918937
>>723920128
>game about catching, exploring, and filling tasks including using everything you catch to fill the pokedex
>this one autist hates it because he'd rather mash buttons against other people

>>723920512
>ZA PVP
I can't even imagine the level of cancer tailor-made for ADHD zoomers.

>>723921434
Pokemon is about battling, as such, the PvP is the core of Pokemon.
This is why Arceus, Mystery Dungeon and Rangers games are the worst, and why Showdown is the best one

>>723911848
Sorry I don't take the opinion of subhumans seriously.

>>723902292 (OP)
>It's a good Pokemon game, just not a good Legends game.

>>723903342
OP specifically brought up sales, trying to imply they must be low.

>Legends series
>All 2 games

>>723902292 (OP)
>there's no way Nintendo can allow
nintendo can't jack shit, retard
gamefreak is the one making these shitty games

>tarnished the legends series
There's only been 2 and so far ZA seems to be more of a side grade to arceus rather than a downgrade or upgrade, outside of it looking and running better.

>>723921645
PvP was literally an afterthought in Gen I, Nintendo had to request Game Freak to include it, which is why it's so unbalanced and also why if you look at the decompilation, all the programming for it is at the end. Not that Game Freak's programming for the rest of the game was good by any meaning of the word, but in PvP, Psywave has anywhere between a 1/4 and 1/151 chance (depending on the user's level and not counting glitch levels) of desyncing your games because PvP made it so it could deal 0 damage but the receiving player calculates a minimum of 1 damage.

PvP was so irrelevant to the fundamental concept of the game that if we look back to the Capsule Monsters pitch from 1990, we can see it took over 10 years for Game Freak to create the Battle Tower, the only mode similar to competitive battling. Yet Pokémon was always intended to have connectivity, because Tajiri was inspired by imagining bugs crawling along the Game Boy link cable to make a game that incorporated trading, and player to player trading was heavily promoted in the earliest pitch to Nintendo.

>>723903564
It's "make Indians great again." MIGA came about the day Musk said he was going to import thousands of Indians rather than use home grown Americans.

>>723911381
You have brand loyal fags everywhere. We had a Valve thread where people defended Valve's DRM while shitting on GOG, saying it doesn't matter if you don't own your games, and defended TF2's Meet Your Match update.
Snoys and blizzdrones as well are a thing.
It is identity for them. Attack on brand or company is treated same as attack towards them.

To me it's really worrying that brand loyalty is normalized.

>>723903735
ARK is a more fun monster tamer than pokemans.
To bad it’s also shit.

>>723923534
>Valve's DRM
lol

>>723902292 (OP)
The series is so low quality I feel like an indie team of 6 guys could probably out compete it. Why hasn't anyone just made a replacement? SMT is so close but the way the demons evolve is retarded and makes it impossible to get attached to any individual unit.

Did people really like the combat for Arceus? It's like they took the Safari Zone bait from Red and Blue (one of the most frustrating parts of that game btw) and made that the game. It should've always been realtime combat.

>>723902957
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1761174965647078.mp4