Thread 723930672

The beta testers didn't test this stage well.

>>723930672 (OP)
could never get this fight to last more than 2 turns, either rafa dies or elmdore does

ramza's sexy armor

It blows my mind how lucky Jeet Enix is.
They can butcher a remaster over and over and over again and there are STILL retards who slobber all over the floor and pay for it.
What the fuck. Failure should come with consequences. If you bought this pile of donkey shit I hope you feel ashamed after you figure out how much content you missed out on that they were too lazy to include in this demaster.

Why can’t I find graphics comparisons between the PS5 and Switch 2 versions?

>>723934743
there would be no difference, the game runs at low res on both systems

>>723934168
What's wrong with Ivalice Chronicles? I played it and enjoyed it.

>>723935323
If you never played the original, you'd see how inferior the translation they used is. Not to mention there is a lot of missing content that even the fucking mobile version has.
It was a sloppy job. They did not care. It's just another cash grab and you fell for it.

>>723936019
WotL content is unbalanced slop, Balthier is a terrible addition

It was a better remaster though gameplay was

Also the original translation is FF7 tier Engrish

When you played FF7 and FFT on the PS1 as a little kid you had no idea what the fuck was going on because the translation was just that bad

I won't buy Ivalice Chronicles because there isn't enough new there and I've already clocked hundreds of hours on the PS1 and played the WotL version and emulator, I've had enough for one lifetime

>>723930672 (OP)
WHY MUST YOU FAIL ME SO OFTEN?!?

>>723938079
Fuck off you dumb faggot. Nobody asked you and your boot licking opinion.

>>723938659
Brainrotted zoomie can't refute my argument

>>723938079
Who gives a fuck about balance in FFT? The game is at it's best when you're breaking it wide open.
If 1998's Engrish translation was bad, then WotL's Elizabethan "translation" was...not all that great either. There's certainly no way it was more faithful to the original Japanese from 1997. But it's a moot point now that Ivalice Chronicles has doubled down on the WotL version for 99% of it.
Also,
>buy

>>723938079
>there isn't enough new
B-B-But anon think of the new dialogues that add literally nothing!!!

>>723938876
Yeah, buy, or waste my time playing even a pirated version

Running with Balthier isn't really breaking it wide open in a clever way like you would with a generic, you're less creative for running with him

>>723930672 (OP)
why do you have 2 time mages doing slow dance?
did it work?

>>723930672 (OP)
You can cheese this fight by stripping your characters. But yeah, this fight is fucking retarded with the way the game saves, you'll often lose before you have a chance to do anything.

>>723938079
>WotL content is unbalanced slop
Fits perfectly with the rest of the game, then?

I finished IC recently and I thought it was definitely good. I've only ever played WotL though and never the ps1 version. It does suck that it doesn't have all the WotL content but it's still a good game at it's core and I liked all the QoL stuff and voice acting. I hope we get the Advance games as well and ideally a new FFT game.

>>723939413
>I hope we get the Advance games
I hope we don't the law system fucking butchered the game from any fun to be had.

>>723939484
Honestly I don't even remember the specifics on game mechanics in the game but I played it as a kid and have a lot of nostalgia for it. They might need to do some things to fix or improve it.

>>723934168
youre genuinely pathetic and no matter how much you try to claim brown people ruin everything you used to like youre still more retarded than people who play a videogame that might not be very good.

chill out you fuckin spastic

>>723930672 (OP)
works on my machine
have you tried getting good?

>>723939186
Personally I like FFT enough to play the new version just to see what it had to offer, but now that I have I can't say I blame anyone who decides to give it a pass. Especially if you've already played it.
I only played WotL once or twice, I certainly don't think the new jobs or special units are enough to sell it, but it's also not that weird to not like that the re-rerelease has less content than the rerelease. If there's anything from WotL I wish IC had kept, it's the cutscenes, because the new in-battle dialogue is pretty thin stuff.
>>723939413
>it's still a good game at it's core and I liked all the QoL stuff and voice acting
Yeah. I think having the at-turn list on the side at all times is nice. I always checked it obsessively anyway.

>>723930672 (OP)
i always figured having the turns show up like that feels like cheating and i felt like a genius knowing the menu to show it because i got tired of my spells charging up and missing.

>>723938086
My Rapha cloak evaded Marach's hit and my dancer Toad'd one ninja and I slowly killed everyone but that one ninja and Mustadio kept stealing gil from that toad until he maxed out the Thief class

>>723930672 (OP)
never seen the assassins over there before how'd you do it? they either Kill Rafa instantly or my Ninja kills one of them instantly.

Reminder to try Tactics Ogre too if you haven't already. Either Reborn or the One Vision mod.

>>723940787
>One Vision mod.
you know if the mod works on actual hardware? I'd like to play it on my Vita if possible

>>723940913
Flawlessly. I do it all the time.

>>723941492
neat, onto the backlog it goes then. is it still the PSP version with the classes leveling individually or did they change that in the mod?

>>723941606
The classes level rather than the individual units, yes. It's the PSP version, but I genuinely think it's better than Reborn. The mod is so good.

>>723939720
Imagine playing the game, but oops, you have a knight, for this fight, knights can't use their abilities. Now you're shit out of luck. It's fucking atrocious gameplay that fucks you

>>723940346
Classic FFT shit.

I'm about to fight the duel with wiegraf. Should I have Ramza with auto potion and lifefont and run around yelling until he gets 4 turns to wiegraf's 1?

>>723942374
really just depends on if you're using a weapon with 1 range so he can counter you or not. if not, just position away so he can't counter you and fight him normally, auto potion will negate all damage you take provided you use X potions, but a counter and hallowed bolt will put you in the red HP generation wise.

>>723942374
yes
don't forget chameleon robe to block his holy sword attacks, float/feather boots to counter earth slash, and a shield/mantle since all he has left is his sword and wave fist
don't forget he has counter

>>723939857
>brown people

I wouldn't call them people, actually.

>>723938086
I remember THAT.
Fucking hell, I swear the reason why I won that mission was luck.

>>723939406
Careful.
You're bringing up valid points. They don't like that.
Just let them ignore they got scammed like the fucking retards they are.

>>723941779
don't field a knight for that fight then retard

>>723941779
Just have 15 different units bro

>>723930672 (OP)
You have two dancers which means you grinded a massive shit ton for this point in the game
There's no reason to test a stage for a group of level 40s ramming a lvl 30 boss

>>723941779
You can see current and future laws on the map. Each step in the map moves the law list one step forward. You can decide on which step you commence the battle and which laws are in effect that day. Later in the game you get law cards to add laws and card to repel laws. It's up to you to use your own fucking brains instead of rushing in to the battle on the day the laws block your stuff

are people truly THIS stupid?

>>723946731
They were stupid enough to buy the game, so yeah.

>>723939406
No. Dark Knight is gated behind stupid requirements that no player is going to do naturally and Onion Knight's design is antithetical to the Job system as a whole.

>>723947314
dark knight's unlocks were probably balanced around the co-op mission grind, or the idea that people would wipe whole encounters to gil steal/focus their units to 99 for the higher level co-op missions

>>723947540
It's incredibly unlikely you'll get the 20 human kills naturally for any one unit if you're playing well.

>>723939054
I love how people thought this was going to be bigger than new events, battles, characters, jobs and multiplayer just so they could cope with the content being gone and keep slurping on SE's dick. Everyone of them should buy IC 3 times to ensure a sequel gets made next so I can pirate it.

>>723947671
>It's incredibly unlikely you'll get the 20 human kills naturally for any one unit if you're playing well.
correct, which is why it was probably balanced around the idea you'd be wiping an encounter and spinning your wheels a bit to grind JP on your party. you wipe the fight (except the one bozo you keep alive of course) with the dark knight candidate while the rest of your units jerk off for JP because WoTL added new super high level endgame shit in the co-op missions.

>>723947671
If you're playing well, then you don't need dark knight.

>>723947314
>stupid requirements that no player is going to do naturally
Yeah, sounds like a JRPG to me.
They're meme jobs meant as rewards for players who find that sort of grind incentive enjoyable. This is a Final Fantasy game, after all. Mime kind of already filled that role in the OG, so they added more jobs like that. A lot of games nowadays (Ivalice Chronicles) would just give you an achievement, and nothing else.
Remember FFT is the game in which stat-obsessed minmaxxers intentionally delevel in crap jobs, so they can level back up in good ones, just to boost their stats in a game that absolutely does NOT require that level of optimization.

Playing normally I don't ever get to unlock Mime, Arithmetician, Dancer or Bard. I guess those jobs suck and are unplayable according to anti-wotl idiots. They are trying to argue how optional bonus stuff you're free to mess around with is somehow bad.

>>723947974
you can get bard and dancer pretty early via errands, just gotta swap to the jobs you need for the unlocks. TIC makes it much easier though because you can just say no to every encounter you get on the world map, so no resetting or fighting with a B team needed. Probably could do that with mime and mathmage as well but both are silly meme jobs so I didn't bother, but I did want Move 3 for my Ninja

>>723948086
Playing normally meaning you don't know the exact requirements to minmax job levels in order to beeline endgame jobs anon. If we are doing that then we are minmaxing for those 20 kills as early as fight #1.

>>723948168
>minmax job levels
minmaxing is de-leveling on jobs with bad stat growths and re-leveling on jobs with good stat growths, knowing when jobs are unlocked is not minmaxing lol especially now that TIC is very transparent about their unlock conditions

>>723948261
If you are deliberately getting 2 levels into thief and 3 levels into whatever just so you can beeline Mime then you aren't exactly playing without meta-knowledge. And even if you name it how ever you want then the same can apply for the people that will bother with that playstyle to unlock Dark Knight. The point is that a job being hard to unlock makes very little sense as an argument for why it should be excluded. If anything I can see the case of the opposite, where it's an addition so easy to obtain that it actually changes the balance of the original game.

>>723948402
>The point is that a job being hard to unlock makes very little sense as an argument for why it should be excluded
well then it's a good thing I never said this eh?

>>723940787
Would I like it if I really REALLY hated FFT advance but really liked the original FFT?

>>723948467
I never said you did. I was just making my original point clear because arguing over what constitutes minmaxing seems pointless and that was the thing you chimed in to argue about.

>>723948583
yeah probably, I think the gameplay is a bit worse but from what I played the story is pretty interesting and it has different routes too

>>723948583
Nobody can know, try it for yourself.

>>723947974
>It's all optional bonus stuff! Stop shitting on muh psp demake
Shut the fuck up you dumb faggot.

This is my first time giving Rapha a serious chance. She's actually kind of reliable? I know they buffed her so the center square is more likely to hit, and so 1 hit is practically guaranteed, 2 hits are about average. She melts. Has anyone else ever used her?

>>723949475
Nice strawman retard. I was always an advocate of the Algus fight being extremely shit but you just have to generalize to make your point.

>>723949542
She's still ass. The "buff" has been there since WotL and nobody used her even then. You can make anything work in this game so if you're having fun then go for it.

>>723936019
Quote examples of the inferior translation,only one I've seen people throw around is the "Blame yourself or the Father", which in context is essentially the same as God.
Not the defending Ivalice Chronicles, I did not buy nor I intend to, I just want more examples because people like to parrot a lot nowadays.

>>723936019
Oh yeah that killer original translation

The part where they 'translate' the Japanese by swapping it out for a different Japanese word with a meaning completely unrelated to the skill is almost Shakespearean.

>>723950086
Is this anywhere other than the Samurai job though?

>>723950141
Does it really matter? It perfectly showcases the complete lack of respect put into the awful WotL "translation"

>>723949978
Mayhap you forget, ser, with what ease counterpoints are drawn from such a loaded quiver.
>>723949850
IC is almost entirely just the War of the Lions translation. E.g. picrel is word for word the same in that scene. Some lines are completely new material, and if that's what Anon is talking about, he can pick his own examples. But instances like "Blame yourself or the Father" replacing "'Tis your birth and faith that wrong you, not I." are actually pretty rare. And complaints about the WotL translation are as old as WotL itself. At least in 1998, shitty PS1 translations were par for the course. I freely admit my bias towards the original, though.

>>723950261
I was just asking. Sadly no translation is ideal and everyone can value different things in a translation job. Weirdly enough the only time I've seen people try their hand at their own translation is that WIP mod for Ivalice Chronicles. It only took 30 years.

>>723949978
so much soul
I'll never touch the demakes.

>>723934168
>They can butcher a remaster over and over and over again and there are STILL retards who slobber all over the floor and pay for it.
>What the fuck. Failure should come with consequences.
Jews are right about goyim.

>>723950431
A common complaint concerning the WotL translation wasn't to say the original translation was good (it very much wasn't), but it was way too drawn out and flowerly/Shakespearean to the point of annoyance over a game this long. But having that same dialogue be voice acted is far less annoying, and feels largely fine now really in IC.

>>723945590
Based

>>723950659
>But having that same dialogue be voice acted is far less annoying, and feels largely fine now really in IC.
More like the bar of what counts as a good localization dropped so low that WotL feels fine now.

>>723950474
There's actually a Story Translation up on GameFAQs from 2007, where some guy went through the whole Japanese text and put it into English, trying to be as accurate as possible. It's the best middle ground I've seen between clarity and style, short of just learning Japanese and skipping the middle-man.

>>723950474
Translation is a very weird topic.

The old Working Designs translations for the Lunar games had a very vocal opposition to it for too many American-centric of that specific time period real life pop culture references that a lot of people hated (but Working Designs largely also made sure a lot of games that wouldn't have made its way West still made its way, so it was somethign people put up with).

This new Lunar remaster had people raging that it didn't have the old 90's american pop culture references and shit.

You will never please everyone with a Translation, even with a 100% pure translation because things might come out awkward in translation (generally best with adapting a bit to sound more natural). It's a balancing act, and there will always be some complaints.

>>723950773
A lot of us grew up with 90's and 2000's translations. The "bad" translations of today are still lightyears ahead of older translations, with the notable exceptions of a very few games (the SNES era FF games are actually pretty good for the most part)

LOL!

>>723950659
>But having that same dialogue be voice acted is far less annoying, and feels largely fine now really in IC.
There is something to that, but I think it's mostly because it's easier to appreciate the characters as Renaissance festival performers when an additional element of performance (the voice acting) is present, not because the performances elevate the script. It's easier to lean into the campiness when the delivery sounds authentic. It's fun for a playthrough at least.

alright, which one of you faggots is going full power-level exposed autismo on the steam forums?

>>723951435
What does that mean?

>>723951435
I don't care enough to check but as long as he is naming the Jews he's based

>>723951481
Guessing it's a poster that matches some of the schizos we get here on /v/ that pin-point obsess over hating a specific game for years, but that's honestly not unique to /v/. Steam forums get those types a lot too. Especially when it comes to anything Final Fantasy, this series in specific gets a lot of fucking middle aged weirdos.
But just a guess. Can't read minds.

>>723951065
Who would win, Ramza's female monk harem or Wiegraf's female monk harem?

>>723949978
What the fuck was up with this sort of shit and the Ajora book, though? It's not just bad/incoherent, it's like... Alpha version google translate copypasted straight up. I get they didn't care about "the foreign market" as Japan did back in the day, but other games with much more complicated scripts from Squaresoft (see: Chrono Cross, Legend of Mana) didn't get NEARLY as shafted as FFT did.

>>723951778
idk but those turquoise outfits are HIDEOUS

>>723950798
There's a lot of pure shit on the internet, but it's weirdly comforting knowing that GameFAQs still exists to this day.

>>723930672 (OP)
THIS GAME IS TOO COMPLICATED FOR ME. THERE'S LIKE 800 DIFFERENT TYPES OF SHIT YOU GOTTA REMEMBER AND DEAL WITH LIKE WITH JOBS AND SKILLS AND STATS AND SHIT WHAT THE FUCK?

>>723952527
>Phys and Magic attack (99% of characters only care about 1)
>Phys and magic dodge
>HP
>MP
>Speed
>All you need to know about these is higher is gooder
Ahhhhh I'm going insane save me yellow paint

>>723952527
It's initally PS game. Do you have trouble with a tactics game developed to PS almost 30 years ago?

I dunno, maybe your problem is that you go in blind but still expect to know how to play optimally on your first run?

>>723952527
It's not that bad. Ignore the Zodiac stuff and it's largely manageable.

Probably still better than the original

Original got fucking nuts with surprise choco meteors

>>723936019
I will never understand why some super autists on /v/ spend literally their entire lives just bitching about NEW BAD. The original translation blew and literally anyone with a brain will agree. No one will ever take people with your opinion seriously and no amount of retard autism on your part will change that.

people thought "are you party to the plot" was a mistranslation

dummies

>>723952742
Only a problem if you deliberately overlevelled. The random battles' enemies' levels scale with your level while story battles don't.

>>723952919
An ESL supposedly according only to you made a mistake therefore the localization is good actually

>>723952640
the zodiac stuff isn't even hard to learn it's literally just
>what are the zodiacs of your party members
>now use other party members that are compatible with it
like that's it

Do you guys watch FFT Battleground
It's funny

>>723934168
it's a remake from the ground up of the original game to be as close to the original game as possible, whether or not you find value in that is up to you. you can also just emulate the originals and go on with your day.

>>723930672 (OP)
>graphics look like shit
zoul

>>723950261
>It perfectly showcases the complete lack of respect put into the awful WotL "translation"
this would make sense if the directors didn't specifically choose the wotl translation for this version, especially after they autistically went against putting in wotl content

>>723953181
>look this up
>it's just saltybet but FFT fights
holy SHIT

>>723952071
>I get they didn't care about "the foreign market" as Japan did back in the day
It's this. They had no reason to care about it until FF7 was a huge international hit. That was in 1997, the same year FFT came out in Japan. Chrono Cross and Legend of Mana are both from 1999 (2000 in NA).

I played all three versions and ivalice chronicles is the best of them.
end of discussion.

>>723953383
>end of discussion.
i'm afraid it's only the beginning. now you have to tell us what your favorite unit designs are.

>>723953492
not him but for me it's female monk

>>723953267
Which directors? The localization director who also botched the FF7 remakes & FFXIV or did you mean some japs who cant even review the shit localization job

>>723953492
I just want classy lewd Agrias art.

>>723953492
female samurai

>>723953492
normal agrias is peak
her having more dialogue in IC is also one of the reason its the superior version

>>723954591
IC doesn't even have her best scene though. Tough tradeoff.
https://youtu.be/Y8puy-KMAQE

>>723940787
Does it have classes and character customization too like FFT?

>>723946731
Fucking Reddit intelligence. These people are subhuman

>>723954813
It has classes but you can't mix them. Only very few skills transfer from class to class.

>>723938086
Why are there brown people?

>>723954910
Eh still seems good with nice replay value. Maybe I'll get it on Switch next sale

would a team comprised of
ramza
bard
chemist
summoner
dragoon
be good?

>>723955306
Why wouldn't it?

>>723952742
a merry you can blame yourself, or the father, to you too!

>>723955561
honestly it's mostly cause i see a lot of people call bard dogshit

>>723954796
>tfw got agrias killed in my first playthrough (didn't really care for her at all) and never saw this

>>723955707
Bards are good, especially for defensive teams that slowly gain the upper hand. They just won't shine if the rest of your team is "kills 3 units with a single move" busted. I find Bards suited for challenge runs where you restrict yourself from using the overpowered abilities.

>>723955865
ok thats good, i've always loved buffing classes and bard seems really fun to just have

>>723941606
>>723941767
you can get a cheat that preserves the unit's level when changing to a new class
here's what I'm using

_C1 Individual Unit Levels
_L 0x2000E690 0x34050000 # do not downlevel on world map
_L 0x2000F038 0x9285004A # do not downlevel ally after recruitment (Canopus)
_L 0x2000FF94 0x00000000 # fake Guest everyone after battle
_L 0x200460AC 0x92C5004A # do not downlevel enemy after recruitment
_L 0x200BF1A8 0x9205004A # generate join offer stats based on in-battle Lv. (Donnalto)
_L 0x200BF260 0x00000000 # keep innate unit Lv in join offer of non-combatants (Sara, Voltare)
_L 0x200FF9AC 0x9245004A # keep unit Lv. during reclassing 1/2
_L 0x200FFBB4 0x9226024E # keep unit Lv. during reclassing 2/2
_L 0x20127460 0x9205004A # no "Unit's level changed." prompt
_L 0x20127588 0x9205004A # equipment remains equipped if unit's Lv. is high enough

_C1 Recruits Keep all Skills
_L 0x200460B8 0x92C50052
_L 0x200460BC 0x30A5007F
_L 0x200460C0 0xA2C50052

_C1 Low level class EXP scaling fix
_L 0x0001D1C4 0x00000013

>>723934168
The only thing bad about it is the smudgy textures. Other than that it is the definitve way to play it.

>>723930672 (OP)
Nor the final boss on Tactician.

The enemies will deal 700 damage to all units in a space, so you have to get lucky as hell to not have Alghemst or whatever its called cast on you.

>It took me over an hour to kill the final boss because of how much HP it had.

>>723956179
>he's not using defensive buffs and debuffs on tactician

>>723956098
Does that make it so that if you have a warrior at level 2 and then recruit a warrior at level 10, all your warriors will be lever 10?

>>723956304
No, the new warrior will stay level 10 but you will still have to level the "class level" so your other units get higher. The other cheat makes leveling a new class MUCH faster as well, like 3 battles tops.

I don't remember what happens if you reclass your level 2's to a class that is like level 15 and then back to warrior, haven't played in a while.

>>723956153
the smudgy textures are weird cause it's not like the sprites are like that by default, it's just the filter the game puts on. if you remove it the sprites are actually really good

>>723956179
Almagest is fixed damage equal to their missing HP. Just stop hitting them if you aren't killing them before their turn comes up and focus on debuffs for control.