Thread 723986696

This game needed exploration + challenging puzzles + challenging plaforming sections to improve the pacing a lot, clearing room of enemies after room of enemies gets exhausting.

>>723986696 (OP)
It needed soul which it lacks

Everyone pisses and shits themselves when action games do that but then also pisses and shits themselves when the game does character switching like DMC5 for variety. Basically everyone always wants to get "rid" of shit but can't come up with good alternatives

Imagine if Ryu could learn how to connect red dots together in one area, and use that knowledge to connect blue dots together elsewhere. This is a new concept I'm calling "teachy ludonarrative gameification." I just invented it, and I will use it to accompany a completely unrelated story about a car accident.

>>723986930
the problem with dmc5 is dante has 5 jillion cool options and V has 3 boring ones. they could've easily dedicated dev time to making V acceptable. instead every V level feels like spit in the face.

>>723986831
The franchise lost its soul after it left the NES.

>>723987083
That's why V gets the least missions and most in the first half, he's literally just a gimmick character meant to break up the campaign and keep it from getting to samey

>>723986696 (OP)
Its not a platforming or puzzle game. Its a hardcore stylish dismemberment action game.

>>723986930
Ninja Gaiden 1 and DMC 1 and DMC 3 did do exploration and it heleped the pacing now add some Prince of Persia plaforming to Ninja Gaiden and it becomes better, character switching sucks when it's to an inferior character gameplaywise like V is in DMC 5
>>723986934
Thats not what I meant and you know it

>>723986696 (OP)
You are asking for a Ninja Gaiden black/sigma remake.

TOAH

>>723987245
And it wouldnt stop being a hack and slash game if they added some gameplay variety, hack and slash games sell little because people get bored of doing the same thing over and over again

>>723987368
TORAH

>>723987259
>Thats not what I meant and you know it
Ninja Gaiden is supposed to be exhausting. Black has rooms with about 100 enemies, 2 ups that to about 200. Razor's Edge is just non-stop killing. If anything, NG4 tones it down with more platforming and stealth.
The worst thing about modern single player games is the insistence that they have to be everything at once. Throw in vehicles, puzzles, dating, sports minigames, open world, races, loot and build customization, online interactions and whatever other mechanical sludge the market researchers suggested. It's miserable. If I turn on the ninja action game, I want ninja action, not box pushing puzzles and wandering around an empty field.

>>723987632
Leave Ryu's foreskin alone.

>>723986930
"Character action" level design has always been shit. If you want quality fully commit and either go this route:
https://youtu.be/yAB8tMu5vBY?si=kpH_gKcDhqn4ndfm
or this route:
https://youtu.be/0ZuM5jAXbP0?si=f8lNK8gbW7csv8dJ
But nobody will do it because good design doesn't pay the bills and timers will exist only in extra modes that j*urnalists don't touch.
>like DMC5
Worst arenas in the series alongside 2. Level design, especially in the second part of the campaign is horrible. All you have are giant empty arenas and giant empty corridors.

I agree. recently played some Ninja Gaiden Black, and with the way people talk about the level design or exploration in there youd think the adventure elements of puzzles and platforming were more than "bring this item you picked up 5 doors away, back to this statue you say in the middle of the level." and "wall jump a couple times". Its even worse with the swimming as that one just feels like a waste of time that does nothing interesting with swimming as a mechanic.

So yeah. Id like an action game to actually set itself apart because they all feel like the exact same flavour of the same shit.

>>723986696 (OP)
Not my kind of game but I want Team Ninja to do well. I want a new SOP, a new Dissidia, more Niohs. What to do, bros?

>>723987886
Imagine Resident Evil layout with Resident Evil puzzles and some Prince of persia plaforming, it would make enhance the combat sections as catharsis and they game would still have more combat than anything else, all games need something to improve the pacing, even Half life has platforming to improve the pacing

>>723976034
Zoomers are just smarter than retarded millenials who love low quality goyslop "experiences" and being lied to/gaslighted constantly

NG4 isnt selling because it has zero reason to sell. What the fuck about it would make anyone on the fence about spending 70e want to buy it?

>heres your favorite franchise... with our gay OC protagonist because we know better :^)
>and the old guy is clearly sidelined (at best) with one weapon because hes a pathetic afterthought marketing-dog we dragged around to put into trailers so this wouldnt have even less sales
>also its animated worse than even NG1 let alone 2
>also every room is either an asset store cave/mountain area with anti soul gas all over or a worse looking test map from ghostrunner
>also even the anti soul gas cant make this perform well on old machines so it looks like an upscaled PS4 game at best but can only be played on a percentage of devices
>also it costs 70e on release for the absolute most base edition

If they had any balls or confidence like Itagaki did they wouldnt have had Ryu at all if they wanted to focus on their gay new character, but anyone trying to guilt people into not paying for this garbage or they will le "kill action games" or some shit is a retarded kike that should be killed themselves because its not up to the consumer to fund you turning a beloved franchise into some iron lung abomination that has ryu hayabusa chained in the basement for endless blood transfusions that keep it "alive" out of pity and guilt

>>723986831
>NG4 lacks soul
Nice joke anon.

>>723986930
I think action games needs to take a bit of a breather before getting back to combat but as you said people will bitch if action isn't constantly thrown in your face like that faggot blader thinking NG1 exploration hurts it.

>>723986696 (OP)
It doesn't have platforming? I was on the fence before this but now I'm wondering if I'm ever buying this game at all.

>>723986696 (OP)
Ragebound has those. Fun game.

>>723986696 (OP)
It made me sad when I realized people disliked those aspects about NG1. I thought the series was going in a really cool direction when it went 3D but NG2 just ruined all of that and people decided hack and slash was the way they wanted it to be.

>>723991839
NG2 and 3 both had platforming, just less exploration in the case of 3.

>>723991839
You can still have good platforming without the dull "metroidvania" search action aspects you know?

>>723992027
That would be making it a worse game. NG1 is by far the best 3D game and it having proper level design is part of the reason why.

>>723990856
it would dilute the experience and waste a ton of your time if you actually want to play the action game, you know what you can play if you want PoP platforming? You know what you can play if you want RE puzzles? A good action game should keep the action flowing and keep throwing tougher and tougher fights at you to keep you focused on the action.

>>723992247
I prefer 2 but 1's exploration is indeed better as a game.

>>723992247
>level design
Level design and level structure are two different things. And because of the "exploration" aspects the campaign of ng04 and its offshots is less replayable.

>>723990958
ninja gayden is a niche franchise
ryu hayabusa is irrelevant
Ninja Gaiden 2 barely sold more than 1 million copies

the most succesful hack n slash franchise is classic god of war unfortunately every gow clone like castlevania or dantes inferno was a failure
classic god of war had a lot of platforming and puzzles

>>723986696 (OP)
It needs Ryu Hayabusa

>>723992027
I can imagine a 3D Ninja Gaiden that's true to the roots of the game where platforming is just as important as combat and combat is very quick. Enemies don't have complex AI but are more obstacles to be dealt with quickly while moving fast avoiding falling. The levels are linear obstacle courses that require quick platforming skills. Then you get a proper difficult boss fight in an arena at the end. I have no idea if this idea would succeed but it would be truer to what Ninja Gaiden is at the core.

>>723993419
I just realized I'm pretty much describing Ghostrunner. You could easily take that game and turn it into a Ninja Gaiden game thematically and story wise.

>>723991678
Ragebound is underrated as hell, actually. People sleep on it because it's indie jank but it's doing more creatively with level traversal and combat rhythm than half the AAA scene. Climbing puzzles that don’t just feel like you’re holding forward and waiting for animations to finish, and actual risk-reward branching path design. Feels like someone actually remembered what made early 2000s action-adventure games fun.

>>723992247
the real fucking thing that NG1 has over NG2 is better enemy designs and higher difficulties that actually introduces new/updated enemy types.
Unfortunately the normalcattle that hates core ninja gaiden (mainly because the combat is so tough they want less of it and instead do nothing but run around levels thinking they are making progress, major KEK btw) gets wowed by a couple of surprise loopbacks in NGB thinks yeaaaah that's the good stuff (because they hate core Ninja Gaiden and don't want to engage with its gameplay).
Honestly, people that appreciate NGB for its connected levels and not for its arena design/encounter design/enemy design/weapons/movement and character controls are all turbo posers that don't deserve NGB, so much effort into it's action systems and they shill it they are easily susceptible to free dopamine hits from doing nothing.
And yeah, replaying said campaign sucks because the puzzles and exploration are a chore on your later runs, nothing unbearable, but it does suck.

>>723991082
It doesnt have any soul

>>723987083
V is there just to fill the story, nobody cares about him once you get Vergil

is it worth it ?
I've never played Gaiden, but after playing 4 im quite interested in it.

>>723986696 (OP)
>clearing room of enemies after room of enemies gets exhausting
Action games have barely evolved beyond this since 20 years. This is literally just another platinumgame game except with a different coat of paint

>>723996869
you dont want this one

>>723990856
You're a stupid faggot and I bet you liked Uncharted.

>>723992283
You can play ninja trials if you just want action

>>723996869
it's worth it for Sigma 1, my favorite game ever
3RE is fun to, but it plays very differently from 1&2 so it filters a lot of people

>>723986696 (OP)
Nah that was one of Bayonetta 3's myriad issues. Like Bayonetta 2 had the inverse issue of just hyperfocusing on combat encounters with less odd gimmick encounters and diversions. Bayonetta 3 went the opposite direction and was compounded by Platinum having to pivot away from its attempt at making it an open world game and having to staple a game together cause the money was gonna run out.
Ninja Gaiden's pedigree is in platforming, no one will deny its heritage, but that's covered by Ragebound being a 2D sidescroller.

Sometimes it's fine for a game to just hyperfocus on its core combat fundamentals with the occasional wall hopping. Ninja Gaiden doesn't have to be Sekiro.

>>723994530
I liked it way more than Shinobi, the movement and level design specially.

>>723996869
No one can agree on anything when it comes to the Sigma games but most people who played the original versions prefer those is all I'll say.

Where's Miji?

>>723998297
I play both, but the campaign has better arena designs and you don't need to menu around to get from encounter to encounter so everything should be catered to the actionfags, especially since they are the ones that aren't going to drop the game once cleared for the first time

Is this normal?

>>723998649
>the campaign has better arena designs
No it doesn't. This game is just square rooms after square rooms

NGB had some platforming, some puzzels, some exploration, but it was still 99% an action game. You people trying to rewrite history and pretend it was some metroidvania with a little bit of combat in between disgust me. All this "thehy should focus on the action" "focus what it's good at.." blah blah blah as if Ninja Gaiden didn't do exactly that and wasn't heralded as the best ACTION game of all time. If we had it your way RE4 would just be mercenaries mode because why the fuck not!? That's what RE4 is good at, right? Because RE4 and a mercenaries mode cant exist at the same time in the same game and do both things. Fuckin retarded.

>>723995961
From the gameplay, music, and aesthetics it absolutely has soul.

>>723995961
It's got soul in spades

>>723990856
It sucks when you're on your third playthrough and you have to go through the motions of backtracking and "solving" puzzles in-between the fun parts.

>>723995961
>Banger music with some tracks made by the same guy who made DMC V's Bury The Light for Vergil
>Each environment has sweet aesthetics
>Gameplay qualifies as CUHRAZEE
Yeah no, you either didn't play or have shit taste.

>>723996869
I wish I could play Ninja Gaiden Black and Ninja Gaiden II.
I wish I wasn't an incompetent loser poorfag so I could afford an Xbox.
I wish I wasn't a low IQ subhuman so I could at least emulate these games on PC.

Why is life so unfair? Why am I an incompetent loser poorfag? Why am I a low IQ subhuman? Why am I brown? Why am I ugly? Why am I an incel? Why do I have a small penis? Why am I short?

I hate this... I don't want this... I will cope...

I will cope by pretending Ninja Gaiden Smegma, Ninja Gaiden Smegma 2, Ninja Gaiden 2 Black, Ninja Gaiden 3, Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge are also good NG games, eventhough deep down I know they are not.
I will lie to people who don't know better and recommend them to play these inferior versions.
I will lie that the shitty guesswork mod of Fiendbusa somehow magically makes Smegma 2 the definitive way to play, eventhough modded Smegma 2 still has missing code, enemy AI and features.
I will lie about the fact that NG3:RE was my first introduction to the franchise and will try to gaslight others into believing that NG3:RE has the best combat and is the most difficult game in the franchise.

I will never ever be a True Ninja Gaiden fan.
True Ninja Gaiden fans recognize my behavior, laugh at me and spit on me.
This is who I am.
I am a secondary, a coping secondary.
I will always be a secondary, a coping secondary.
And that is okay.

>>723997747
there is no way to play black and xemu is still busted though ?

>>723999325
Ninja gaiden is a castlevania clone, NGB is a castlevania 64 clone. there is nothing 'metroid'vania about the series.

>>724000950
i just wanted to know if they were good or not, dont yell at me anon, i haven't played them before

>>724000952
omg play it on the fucking xbox you loser

>>723997902
The Uncharted trilogy is extremely good, 4 sucks because it lacks enemies and shooting because muh ludonarrative dissonance bullshit from Cuckman
>>724000835
Have you played any RE game? It's not a problem unless it's some scripted boring shit like the fetus ok Village but thats not what I'm asking

>>724003124
>The Uncharted trilogy is extremely good
Stick to retarded garbage games buddy, this one is too much for you.

>>723996869
Sigma 2 is ASS, either emulate the original(or get it on xbox) or play Black 2.

>>724000952
xemu is good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJIWXaVxgE

>>724003124
Uncharted 1 feels almost just as unfinished as devil's third. Genuine garbage.

>>724003284
>>724003517
Anons the Uncharted trilogy has segments where you get non stop waves of up to like 70 enemies not at the same time but it has a lot of enemies to kill, it's not exhausting cause theres light puzzles and light platforming to keep you from getting bored, they're great games

>>724004487
Sorry, if i want puzzles i'll play Myst. If I want platforming i'll play Donkey Kong Bonanza.

>>724003124
>Have you played any RE game? It's not a problem unless it's some scripted boring shit like the fetus ok Village but thats not what I'm asking
Resident Evil games don't have particularly thrilling combat, so a box-pushing puzzle isn't usually a major downshift. It is actually annoying in RE4 when you have to do a slider puzzle or whatever instead of suplexing cultists.
Ninja Gaiden is non-stop do-or-die. It wouldn't be improved by adding slow parts. If I'm tired of fighting, I stop playing for a bit.

>>723998772
you don't deserve the game you play