Thread 724689360

>spend 700 hours getting good
>still completely outclassed by some third world nigger with an anime profile picture that bought silentaim for 5 dollars
what's the point

>bitching about sniper
lmao git gud

>>724689360 (OP)
get wallhack mod and enable it only for sniper
>swap to sniper for a few minutes
>kill him until he ragequits or becomes so blatant his team kicks him
>go back to playing a fun class

>>724691136
you've been posting this exact thing on threads for several years.
are you really still playing tf2?

>>724689360 (OP)
why do so many sniper mains have tranime or furry pfps?

>>724691282
my hate for sniper is eternal

>>724691318
>hop on 2fort
>sticky jump to enemy battlements and suicide bomb snipers
>do this until they change class

>>724691514
I'll die 5 times just for the dopamine of headshotting you jumping at mach speed

>>724691289
Every class I've faught has fallen into this category.
Engineer is the least likely to do this from my observation.

oh hey, you just made me want to reinstall tf2. Can't wait to play the game for an hour where I had to hop from server to server to server to server and not feel like I played a game for an hour because I could only get games that lasted for 5 minutes. yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy i love tf2

>>724689360 (OP)
The point is we need regionlocking in multiplayer games.

>>724692230
Just play custom map servers bro

>>724689360 (OP)
>anime picture/anime character name player
>insanely good
It's crazy how common this is.

>>724689360 (OP)
Esports shit is a joke for autistic retards, and if you want to compete with other people you should get into actual sports lmao

>>724691574
>>724691514
now kiss

>>724692230
yep, 22 minutes in and I already fucking hate it. the casual system has a remarkable ability to just straight up waste your time over and over.

>>724691514
I miss the original sticky jumper.
Absolutely nothing compares to placing down 8 stickies and launching yourself so hard and so aggressively fast across the map that you almost die when you hit the ground due to the health penalty. If you got shot ONCE by anything while you're airborne, you were pretty much dead on impact.

>>724691514
It was only fun and entertaining before they nerfed the cancer for comp retardation
Jump, either market garden them with caber and die on landing or stick the landing with low health and then caber them
Them having a chance to fight back makes it much less funny and satisfying, you having a chance to live through the suicide bombing makes it less noble, and the actual market gardener shares this weakness along with being very queer coded since every single jumptroon started poorly market gardening in Valve servers

>>724692230
Wait for round to end
Vote for next map
Play full round, rinse and repeat
OR
Find your gay community server of choice through the server browser and filters you absolute flaming retard

>>724693593
>sticky jump to battlements
>start emptying your 4 grenades midair at the snipers/chokepoints
>pull out caber and explode it at SOMETHING
>explodekillbind
>repeat
it's that simple, bro

alternatively:
>caberknight with splended screen
>charge at a gaggle of enemies and crit caber the ground / someone specifically
>it kills 3+ people in the explosion
>explodekillbind immediately after detonating the caber, as you are now useless as a popped penis and any second alive is wasting time you could be counting down the respawn time
it's that simple, bro

>>724693751
But that's gayer
I don't care what's effective, the point is they have no chance to react if they're too hard scoped to see me jump
But I guarantee die for it too so it's still much less bullshit
If I want to kill snipers the practical way I get out my flare gun and predict their movement after the first flare correctly
I even have the strange part on it for sniper kills
But caber bombing was the epitome of sovl

>>724693967
>I don't care what's effective
>HOWEVER, the "PRACTICAL" WAY I DEAL WITH IT IS-
kek

>>724693657
pretending that casual is fine and that community servers still exist stopped being funny at least 8 years ago

>tranny cheater fortress 2

Ngmi.

It's kinda funny how removing sniper, at worst, would have absolutely no effect on the game itself. Even removing spy or pyro would have a bigger effect.

>>724694224
Zesty servers exist. Castaway servers exist.

>>724691514
>>hop on 2fort

Does anyone have that "team A vs team B" in tf2 pic?

>>724696919
the castaway servers are full of troons that are also somehow simultaneously neo nazis
save the white race while having she/her pronouns type of people

>>724698046
>the castaway servers are full of troons that are also somehow simultaneously neo nazis
That's peak tf2.

>>724689360 (OP)
Mod the game to change bad game design allowing a character that can instantly kill anyone at any distance

I use spy and dispatch the sniper effortlessly.
Everyone got hard counters you know
b-but i got my ass kicked real hard this one time!
Not an argument for balanced game design.

>>724692230
why the fuck would you ever play casual

>>724698308
>Everyone got hard counters you know
What's sniper's?

respect the sightline chud

>>724698423
sniper
engi (placing your buildings in dumb spots is your own fault)

>>724698423
Spy > Scout > Sniper if better > Steelfist Heavy

>>724698505
>Spy
How?

>>724698046
>the castaway servers are full of troons that are also somehow simultaneously neo nazis
That's literally every tf2 server.

>>724698381
If your favorite map isn't 2Fort/Dustbowl/Payload, and you're too impatient to wait for it on a server rotation, your "best" option is to tick its checkbox and suffer through casual

>>724698465
I'd rather argue the engi is on the sniper's shitlist because the only way it's nest is safe is in a crammed area negation space.
In an open space you can easily take out the busy engi and then his gear depending on priorities.
>>724698519
By going invisible and appearing at the right time. Did you play the game.
>b-but Danger Shield
Ambassador

>>724698592
My fav map is Steel.
It's hilarious to watch new players get lost on it.
Then you land a game with vets and they get lost too.

>>724696891
every class except medic and engineer would have minimal impact on the game

>>724698631
>y going invisible and appearing at the right time.
Whoa.
How is that different from spy vs any other class? Is spy a hard counter to everything? Do compfags know that?

>>724698673
Nah, if you removed soldier or demo the whole game would be different.

>>724698714
demo doesnt have much presence in pubs
soldier is...not as impactful desu

>>724698746
Both do. desu.

>>724698746
>soldier is...not as impactful
this is one of the dumbest posts i have read this year
i agree that removing medic and engi would be more impactful but it would hardly be 'minimal', soldier is THE combat class in tf2

>>724698679
Scout and Medic just walk away from you.
Pyro.. lol.
Demo and Soldier are too explosive, easy spychecking, but their slowness grants opportunity.
Engi is natural prey to the spy but it's hard to pull off due to teleporter and sentry support if you don't sap everything on time.
That leaves the Heavy and Sniper as the easiest targets. Heavy relies on it's huge health pool(useless to backstabs) and sustained damage. Sniper has bad close range options and 90% of the time they just jitter around on exactly the spot, eyes one way. It couldn't be easier.

>>724698923
>Medic just walk away from you.
Quite the accomplishment considering they're as fast as spies.
>Pyro.. lol.
Immune to backstabs?

>>724698827
>>724698772
that's why i said "not as impactful desu" he would be 3rd in line after engi but nowhere near medic. you can have teams without demo, heavy scout etc.

>>724691514
There's an easier, faster way

snipers are inherently OP in FPS games unless the devs purposefully undertune them
AWP, quake railgun, TF2 sniper, widowmaker and hanzo before the barrier meta...because their job is to completely shut down sightlines

>>724689360 (OP)
the point is playing the game and having fun and not comparing yourself to others.

>inb4 someones says something retarded
report and change the server
don't play if there are too much cheaters

>>724699201
It's not even a matter of whether he's up or op, he just doesn't fit. In a game where everything pretty much is decided at close to mid range he's the only class that snipes and his weapon doesn't have fall off damage (demo doesn't either but his balls don't go very far).
So when you're fighting someone and either you get killed by a sniper or the guy you were does it's like an unfortunate accident because there's fuck all either of you could've done about it.

>>724699441
that's sniper in every FPS game

another thread complaining about sniper, just because some jewtuber keep crying about that he can't walk like a retard through a sightline.

>>724699201
>snipers are inherently OP in FPS games unless the devs purposefully undertune them

>>724699490
Even in basic bitch CS from 100 years ago you had tools to counter that (never mind that there was no sniper class) with either smoke or flash.
In tf2 you have "drr just respect the sight lines bro"

>being mad at the point n click adventure man
Have you tried not being bad at videogames?

>>724699501
>stop using half the map

complaining about sniper is reddit and gay

>>724689360 (OP)
if you're not having fun don't play

>>724699864
JUST DON'T OKAY

I just say my french battlecries right behind him

>>724699441
>there's fuck all either of you could've done about it.
Really?

>>724696919
Castaway servers are always dead when I want to play.

>>724689360 (OP)
sure, why improve in anything when god invented rape and theft.

>>724689360 (OP)
Aimbot/wallhack and focus him until he rage quits. Use it ONLY for him so the others are less likely to report you.

>>724701759
Is there even good cheats post LMAOBOX?
Everything is detected by sourcemod autists now

>>724691136
>>724701759
man i knew the cattle seething about sniper where simply too shit at the game to counter him legitimately. thanks for confirming it lmao.

If you play so well that I cannot distinguish you from a cheater
You're getting banned from my server all the same

>see sniper
>change classes
>shoot sniper
>>TING TING TING TING KRR
>repear
I dont care if it doesnt deal damage, he cant play and i am not playing, we are canceling each other and for me that's fine

>>724689360 (OP)
>outclassed
You mean out cheated? Almost every "new" TF2 player playing sniper is cheating and they don't try to hide it. They're also usually brown.

>>724699112
Me and my brother just spam this shit at snipers and piss ourselves laughing at the sheer torture they go through
When they inevitably bring out the danger shield we then switch to demoman and sticky jump over to ruin them instead

>>724698381
Because all of my favorite old servers are fucking dead

>>724702745
>Most good community servers are dead
>Permabanned from those still alive because I made admins rage years ago
I really should start looking into hosting my own servers but I don't want to start a discord circlejerk server to keep it alive

>>724699579
I refuse to play upward because of that shit. Such a fun map but the opening part is utterly ruined by snipers

>>724702878
>permabanned because of bootyblasted admins
It's a badge of honor anon.

>dude on the other team is blatantly cheating, not even trying to hide it
>other team just grumbles "hurr get good" when called out
I've noticed this has been happening more and more recently, what is causing this phenomenon?

>>724702990
>what is causing this phenomenon?
You refusing to get good.

>>724702936
True, but those faggots at blackwonder have centralized their bans with other communities
So the admin I made rage on a surf server almost 10 years ago that banned me for "cheating" ended up making me banned from almost 100 community servers, most of those never had any problem with me

>>724703036
You have to be 18 to post here

Sniper is more enjoyable now knowing how hard people seethe over him.

>>724703046
Jesus, seriously? Admins are fags, always have been. It's why I miss quickplay and Valve Servers

>>724703102
If only you had to get good to post here...

>>724703214
Boo

>>724702501
Wow, an admin is a fag that bans anybody who shits on him? I'm shocked.

>>724703046
I'm blackwondering if unbans are centralized too, meaning any priviledged admin could revert it.

>>724702501
Based

>>724703338
Congratulations on mastering the game, good for you
Go stomp on some pubs or something, just get out from my servers
If one person ruins the game for everyone else, how is that different from cheating?

>>724703372
I don't know
Anytime I tried appealing I get ignored because that faggot put "cheating" as the reason

>>724702501
There are custom servers in TF2?

>>724703667
Do you remember what the original admin was called?

>>724703871
I don't, that was too long ago

>op clearly talking about closet cheaters infesting ever multiplayer game out there
>schizos instead make this into another anti sniper thread even telling anons to literally cheat to make people "seethe"

>>724704189
People still playing TF2 today are either autists or cheaters
Which are you?

>>724702990
Influx of new cheaters will also coincide with influx of retards who complain about cheaters any time they get outdone.
So even when the cheating is real the real players think the crying about it is bitching at basic skills.

>>724704328
i only came back to play mobster game mode otherwise i don't touch this game

>>724704384
>mobster game mode
So an autist then

>>724704418
>mfw almost 5k hours in hat trading simulator and has nothing to show for all those years of autism

>>724704189
Almost every cheater I've come across has been some form of spic, I'm not surprised

>>724691136
The picture that defeated any discussion about sniper and TF2 snipers being cheat free.

>>724704381
Well yeah, but the cheaters don't exactly hide it well, they're so glaringly obvious if you've played the game for any decent amount of time.

>>724704661
good luck convincing smug retards who think they know better than you

>>724702501
>>724703553
>forced 50/50
>equal outcome
That sounds gay and boring.
My biggest gripe with TF2 players is their reluctance towards growth, going as for to resent people who actually want to improve. Playing against skilled players should be an opportunity to do so, but instead those players get kicked or banned for pissing in the proverbial ball pit.
That's how people end up like >>724704550

>>724689360 (OP)
>700h
Fucking lmao, that's casual tier

>>724704709
I got into an argument with some retard in a server over it last night until he told me he was unironically 16 and I just gave up at that point. Don't believe your lying eyes and literal years of experience because some underage retard claims "skill".

>>724690991
fuck off to circlejerkaway gabber

Remember that ban wave that happened back in 2018 or so? All those "pro" snipers getting banned. Pure coincidence I'm sure.

>>724703305
I used to get annoyed by it but now I honestly respect anybody who switches to it instead of just bitching.

>>724704975
Cheating is so fucking rampant in online gaming, I'm not even sure why people keep playing pvp FPS.

>>724704975
shounic proved that removing sniper from the game does absolutely nothing to the balance
It just makes the game more fun for everyone else

Sniper/Scout/Engy/Medic main here.

Set the Sniper Rifle's default damage to 40, so quickshots deal 120 damage. (But still allow the max damage to charge up to 150, so you can still kill overhealed heaviest with a 450 headshot). There, I fixed the game.

>>724691514
thank you

>>724705101
TF2 is literally the only multiplayer FPS I still play because of that, even though the cheating is rampant I often like to just fuck with the cheaters.

>>724704975
i'm curious what the actual distribution across mains was

>>724705118
>shounic proved that removing sniper from the game does absolutely nothing to the balance
Okay, so, if we even accept the handful of games he ran it for counting as proof, why remove him?
>It just makes the game more fun for everyone else
You mean for his test group that was made up of people who disliked sniper? Do you think people who don't mind sniper or like him are looking for servers where he's banned and jumping to participate in tests without him?

>>724705206
>"There, I fixed the game."
>literally what the now dead creators.tf did
post badge.

>>724705439
Almost universally snipers from what I remember seeing.

>>724704735
It's a game. The purpose of a game is to have fun. Skill and competition within the game exist in service of fun, not the other way around. Good on that anon if he doesn't tolerate one virgin shitting up his server to flex their obscene skill level at the expense of several other people not being able to enjoy themselves.
>define: play
>engage in activity for enjoyment and recreation rather than a serious or practical purpose.

>>724702501
Unbelievably based.

>>724705783
idk sounds more like you're taking the "game" part out of "video game" to fashion a digital hugbox of sorts.
why don't you enlighten us what the definition of "game" is?

>>724706213
Cry about it you salty sniper nigger, this image alone destroys everything you stand for. >>724691136

>>724691136
>>724706308
fucking lmao.
obvious sniper spit and visible feet. cold case closed & reported for cheating :^)

https://youtu.be/qnR18l3A2NA
how do i get good enough at sniper characters in game to start doing shit like this?
>inb4 valorant clip
tier 1 tournament with riot pcs so it's highly unlikely he's cheating

>>724706475
Start taking HRT

>>724706662
the only hormone regulating drug i take is for my allergies
is that close enough?

>>724706213
It's the same whether it's a video game or a physical game. Let's say you're in the pub playing pool with your mates. Some virgin who brings his own cue and plays pool for 9 hours a day says "nah it's winner stays on" and pots all 8 balls every time as soon as he gets a turn, preventing anybody else from being able to enjoy the table. That guy is a fag. Yes he has outskilled us, yes he has beaten us and earned the victory fair and square. I don't care about that. He has willfully prevented our enjoyment of the table and for that he is a fag.

>>724706842
You need estrogen, programming socks, aimlabs and sissy hypnosis audio files

>>724706843
if he's playing within the rules and winning why is his enjoyment less important than yours? you're also assuming he's doing so out of malice rather than just love of the game. pool, tf2, whatever are old games, there are bound to be people with preternatural skill in them. that's just a fact of life.

>>724697439
>hop on 2fort

>One of the first threads I remember seeing on here was people complaining about shitty server admins that'd ban you for cheating if you were too good
>Now anons call those admins based
>Anons used to tell people to get good when they started crying about something they couldn't deal with
>Now they tell you to install cheats
It's like seeing the neighborhood you grew up in turn into a ghetto.

>>724708060
Sounds like you are trying to find excuses to cheat.

>>724708179
I wonder we never have cheating tournaments. I'd watch them.

how come there such an overlap between cheaters and wigger culture?

>>724698423
bonk
scorch shot
fists of steel
other snipers
vaccinator
backstabs
just standing behind things

>>724705118
>listen to youtubers about how tf2 should be balanced
notthisshitagain.jpg

>>724689360 (OP)
>>724692606
Now imagine being a white person that wants to play american football or basketball.

>>724708931
Now imagine being a white person that wants to please a woman.

>>724708060
Nah, sniper mains deserve to be banned

>>724708292
Cheating is a brown coded

>>724698423
snipers are usually found in the same predictable spots, has unique gun sounds, and a visible dot where he's aiming. that's a lot of signal. erratic movement and suppressive fire is often enough to make him flinch and fuck up his shot.

>>724709071
low blow dude :(

>>724709352
I present you>>724699579

>>724709452
hey man that's just how it is in this bitch of a world...

>>724709645
I present you>>724708572

>>724709716
Cool, now deal with the 4 sentries he's standing next to.
You know this but you're a disingenuous nigger.

>>724708179
>Slowly walk out of cover
>y-you're cheating!!

>>724709787
What class isn't hard to deal with when they have 4 friendly sentries around them?

>>724709841
maybe he means the 1/4 gamble of angles he won

>>724709879
this
>>724709787
you're moving the goalpost

pic related is how your unusual looks to a sniper main.
that is all.

>>724709929
>>724709879
The sentries ensure that your only real counter is another sniper you inbred morons.

>>724709991
a medic with giant misc + normal unusual makes it hard to actually get the headshot i need to be honest

>>724710227
Just shoot him in the chest then, the rifle still 1 hit kills medics

>>724710101
Answer the question, nigger. What class isn't hard to deal with when surrounded by friendly sentries?

This thread has inspired me. Might play some TF2 today. Sniper only, of course.

>>724705118
>I asked a closed community of sniper-haters to play a couple of rounds where sniper wasn't allowed and they enjoyed themselves
not only was his sample biased before even starting, he also didn't actually collect a significant amount of data and didn't run it over a sufficient length of time since most players were still treating sightlines more or less the same way because of map familiarity
the only thing it "proved" is that the game didn't immediately fall apart at the seams. that only holds true for medic since he was intentionally designed to be the one setting the pace of matches but that doesn't stop many a pub from not having one and still TDMing just fine.

>>724710101
are you really claiming that sentries somehow negate most counters at range?

>>724698423
piss rifle - center mass

>>724698505
what are soldier's counters? and don't pretend that pyro counts.
newfags bitch about sniper when soldier is the only op class.

>>724710456
>TDMing just fine

>>724692230
Reminder that there's "people" that actually defend casual and think it's fine as is

>>724710278
I'm not arguing with a disingenuous retard that can't discern the difference between a sniper all the way at the back of the map camped next to sentries is significantly more obnoxious to deal with than other classes because the other classes can't fucking instantly kill you from that distance before you can even get close enough to deal with them and the sentries.

>>724710708
I miss quickplay so much

my two sents are that, as a heavy i often just walk towards a sniper with my shotgun while peppering him with 3dmg pellets. the flinch makes him fuck up his shot and when I feel he's about to land a hit I just duck behind cover. simple as

>>724689360 (OP)
I have an anime pfp and I play sniper and I've never even heard of "silentaim" until you mentioned it. Kinda sus bro.
It's really not hard to point and click.

>>724710731
that's why god invented AMR rifles like the machina.
either put your ego aside and play sniper yourself, or enjoy spawn for the rest of the match. your call.

>>724710990
true. kinda weird how all the most ardent sniper haters are also experts at cheating.

>>724710731
anything with a sentry is gonna require a uber regardless

>>724711527
Yeah but at least if it's guarded by literally any other class you can do something about it without getting instantly killed the second you step out of spawn.
It's what makes Upward such utter cancer.

>>724710978
I don't understand why the minigun has reduced flinching. you'd think that suppressive fire would somewhat counter sniper but no, if you're past 750 hammer units it just tickles him and lets him shoot you.

>>724711625
They've unfairly nerfed the heavy like twice and the one time they nerfed sticky spam on demomen, demo mains complained so loudly it got reverted the very next day

>>724710990
>>724711125
It's one of the most common copes. People see someone do something they can't, that they're not sure they ever could, and their brain instantly conjures some excuse for how they MUST have an unfair advantage and how they're still great. People who go too deep into the cope then use it as an excuse for getting an actual unfair advantage themselves. It's why people admitting to cheating are always the most adamant that everybody else must be too.

>>724691136
>I paid money to eject someone who was beating me at a video game
Wow anon we're very impressed

>>724712307
Anyone who's played this game for any long period can tell who's good and who's cheating at a glance, most of the people who scream hackusations end up being some literal child, or brown. I take the accusations with pride.

>>724712350
>paid money
it's literally changing one line of text in a vmt file.

>>724712723
I don't believe you sorry script kiddie

>>724712825
https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/$ignorez

>>724689360 (OP)
>sniper is a support class despite is only “supportive ability” just amounting to killing people (literally no one uses jarate for support)
>pyro is an offense class despite his afterburn and airblast mainly excelling at stopping offensive pushes
>engineer is a defense class despite 2 of his 3 buildings purely being supportive
>demoman is a defense class despite basically having two primaries that excel at offense
??????

>>724712876
That doesn't match your previous screenshot

>>724713091
the bright red model is just an optional custom texture mod

>>724712307
it's a regional thing but nobody on 4chan wants to admit they live in south america or europe, nor believe that other cultures don't cheat en masse

>>724713180
Obsessed + rent free.

>>724713180
Almost every cheater I come across is some form of spic.

>make quick scopes/fully charged bodyshots on,y deal 140 damage
>make the ubersaw reduce your health by 10
I just fixed your shitty meta valve

>>724713256
i nolifed awesomenauts, a game that was small enough that cross-continent matchmaking was common, and was the #1 falsely reported account in the game's history. completely mute too, 0 ragebait
guess where the reports mostly came from

>>724691136
>can play fun maps without having to worry about autistic sniper mains ruining it
feels good man. upward and swiftwater are truly the best maps in the game once sniper is gone.

Switch to spy/scout? Nope.
I'm gonna show this guy with scripts HEHEHE

>>724713651
>spy
razorback
>scout
sentry

>>724713781
>razorback
the diamondback with two charges in my pocket:

>>724714004
You were saying?

>>724712987
the classifications are based on where the players are best positioned within the team
offense classes are best when they're closest to the front, defense classes are usually better placed further back to prevent counter-pushes, and support classes go wherever they are needed but need teammates to support them since they're weak in direct combat
sniper is a support class because he can't defend and he can only attack players who are very far away
pyro is offense because his job is to w+m1 into the enemy line and cause havoc
engineer is a defense class because he literally cannot push but is really good at defending an area and stopping your team from being pushed back
demoman is a defense class because he can't really attack as well as soldier or scout. he doesn't have the mobility and he's really weak at close range. sure you can use the sticky jumper but if we're talking about stock weapons, he works much better when enemies are coming to him rather than when he tries to go to the enemies. not that you can't use him for offense, but he's way worse at projecting his offensive power than soldier.

>>724714138
stab&sap into diamondbacking the sniper and yelling NEST SAPPED in voice to signal to the unusual wearing medic soldier edating pair to push, obviously.

I think people who complain about Sniper are all Uncletopia players. Normal TF2 gameplay, each match has one or maybe two Snipers that are an actual threat. I decided to try Uncletopia recently and each team had three Snipers, and they were all at least good to topscoring. Red team also had a cracked Amby gunspy hitting every headshot. I can't imagine playing on those servers unironically if you just want to have fun but Uncle Dane brainwashed his fans into thinking they're the only way to play, they get owned and then they seethe about it

>>724714526
>ruins your perfectly laid out plan

>>724713180
>but nobody on 4chan wants to admit they live in south america or europe
what

>>724713651
Imagine the kind of dude that immediately jumps to cheats when somebody plays a class he can't naturally counter in a multiplayer game. You think he's capable of beating a sniper as spy or scout or do you think he offers up the easiest shots imaginable while crying that the guy is cheating or that there's nothing he can do except hope he misses? It's pointless saying anything because this board is full of niggers proud of their third worlder behavior. That's the culture now.

Now that I think about it, it's kind of baffling people on here still make fun of games journalists for being bad at video games or wanting easy modes.

>>724714526
and then everyone clapped
in reality
>SPY SAPPIN MAH SENTRY
>half the enemy team instantly turns around to shoot you
>razorback sniper hits you with a random melee crit and schadenfreudes over your corpse

>>724714635
Worst part is since random crits are disabled it makes spamming at them pointless because you can't chuckle when a random crocket hits one of those obnoxious niggers in the face.

>>724689360 (OP)
>still completely outclassed by some third world nigger with an anime profile picture that bought silentaim for 5 dollars
The point is this is gay and you can report people for doing it

I’m so happy this game will never get another real update again

>>724714805
I want an update purely to fix the caber so I can sticky jump and OHK snipers again

>>724714776
>Reporting
Does nothing
>95% of cheaters use alt accounts
And even if someone at Valve did something, it would be useless

>>724714879
What happened to that new Valve anticheat that bans players within minutes? Was working great last year

>>724714973
Needs updating, sniper bots still get banned near instantly but regular cheaters have a workaround.

>>724715032
What is that workaround?

>>724714705
>makes the game miserable for everyone else
>cries when someone does the same to him
just respect my sightline bro :^)

>>724715119
Fuck if I know, I don't cheat, but the sheer amount of people that do while bots still get nuked near instantly tells me the cheat sellers and makers have found a way around it.

>>724714973
Only spinbots get banned, usual cheater go months before vac do anything, and then they can just make a new account because lol f2p.

>>724715342
>>724715178
Well I guess we still have to keep reporting and hope it at least broadens some definitions to a filter out there, they delivered once before so we do know they're capable even if it took them forever.

>>724689360 (OP)
>>724712987
they should unironically give sniper a support rifle and not whatever the fuck the sleeper was trying to do. would make a lot less people hate the guy

>>724714738
on the flipside, he can't whip out a 195 on you for daring to get into his least-favorable range
>but muh bushwacka
stop getting peed on and running at him

>>724715717
Sleeper had AOE HS and compfags cried about it.

>>724715758
I just accept that medic, sniper and engineer melee will crit me and treat them accordingly

>>724716012
I miss the old Croc set headshot immunity so much

>>724716012
Jarate and Mad Milk are both banned in competitive because they are extremely potent effects with massive splash radius (with no falloff, unlike explosion damage) that has an effect that can singlehandedly win teamfights. No shit they'd have an issue with a rifle that's already banned in competitive specifically for being faster at bodyshotting the medic, when it was given effectively-unlimited infinite range hitscan jarates.
the weapon was already banned from their leagues, they weren't the ones complaining about it.
not every nerf can be attributed to the compfag boogeyman. for fucks sake they nerfed the goddamn righteous bison I dare you to find a single person who earnestly complained about it being too strong, comp or pub player.

>Bro just respect sniper sightline
>Sightline in question.

>>724716012
You would be seething about the sydney sleeper 24/7 if it didn't carry the shitter stigma and the majority of snipers actually used it. Free kill on 5/9 classes every 2.5 seconds and the other 4/9 are forced to retreat if they aren't instantly hit with a mini crit rocket or sticky.

>>724715758
>but muh bushwacka
The mere fact that people genuinely complain about bushwacka should be enough to discredit all the seething over sniper. How fucking bad can you be that you let one of the least mobile classes in the game with 125hp throw a grenade at you and then get into melee range and land a hit before you kill him?

>>724698923
>Spy vs Heavy
Spy only has an advantage if Heavy isn't spychecking often enough.

Why the fuck did they make the danger shield have afterburb immunity instead of just keeping the +25 health? Who the fuck asked for this?

>>724715717
I don't think Sniper has the flexibility or time to be targeting allies like Med does when yolo shooting with the crossbow.

>>724691514
I build sentries and equip Short Circuit just to fuck with these kamikaze tards btw.
Too damn satisfying to see domi rack up only for them to switch to spy then die again.

>>724716605
remember when they gave afterburn immunity to the chargin' targe for some reason?
hell, remember when they decided to preserve the headshot survival but then let you pair it with a rifle that could headshot
for as well put together that TF2 is, they make some utterly baffling design and balance decisions that make you wonder what drugs they're on and if they even play their own game

>>724702685
You need one person to camp them as a Spy with the Cloak and Dagger. Then he has to desperately choose between the Danger Shield or Razorback.

>>724696919
>fuck these other e-celebs, I'm going to go open a server with the true casual experience on a community server. None of that fixed spread or lack of random crit bullshit
>also fuck the short circuit, It's cancer and doesn't belong in the game
At least Castaways doesn't pretend it's something different. I don't like how imperfect and selective the weapon reversions are but that's largely Source issues and not the modders' preferences.

>>724705118
At this point, someone should open up servers where Sniper is disabled. Let each player decide which servers he prefers.

>>724716923
Fuck you're right. I know what I'm doing tonight

>>724716596
it's 50/50, even good heavy get distracted enough to get stabbed, but shitty spies just take priority on him instead of someone more dangerous or bigger target like medic.

Fuck kunai tho.

>>724716869
Valve doesn't have any legitimately good FPS players which is why all their FPS games have dogshit balancing. TF2 was a fluke at best carried by its quake roots and is riddled with issues that are unacceptable in any modern big budget shooter made now.

>>724716869
The shields still removing bleed and burn on charge is utterly fucking retarded and I don't know why it's still in the game. Valve design is just baffling at times.

>>724699864
>>724699501
If Sniper had a full laser instead of just the dot...

>>724702501
>If your drawing that you drew all yourself looks too much like an AI gen well sorry sweaty, methinks you should have learned to draw less like an AI.

>>724717078
Sniper mains would shit their diapers if Valve treated them the same way they treat the other classes. He has always been the favorite child.

>>724710278
The short-ranged classes, since you can just ignore them as long as you keep distance.

>>724717181
I miss the sandman, cleaver combo, now the Sandman is objectively useless and the cleaver is only fun if you go full bleed gimmick as scout

>>724717267
I think we all agree the Sandman is useless now but the stun was stupidly overpowered.

>>724717078
Don't really solve shit, i mean just look at splatoon. There is also issue with map design, specially upwards and badwater.

It would make sniper far more vulnerable and predicable, but actual problem is that most of classes are designed as mid to close range damage dealers.

>>724717343
Compared to all the other bullshit in this game, I personally never had an issue with it, it wasn't nearly as common as people made it out to be

>>724717267
the cleaver was and still is a very good secondary for scout. it never needed the stun crit to be good. It's 50 damage with no falloff plus bleed that you don't need to ever reload, it's amazing since the class is already carried by his mobility and his primary weapon.
Literally the only downside of the cleaver is that it can't hit buildings.

>>724717430
It's a big fuck you to heavies with zero counterplay. Stock scout is already insanely strong he doesn't need an on demand ranged stun.

>>724717534
I didn't say it wasn't good, it just isn't as fun.
>>724717545
That is true. I don't really play alot of heavy so I never was bothered by it.

>>724717267
I can understand why the Sandman was nerfed
What I don't get is why did they have to rework the cleaver? I'd still use the Sandman even in its current state if it would combo with the cleaver
Cleaver is still good but it's much more satisfying to hit that combo than having a spammy throwable secondary

>>724717381
Splatoon is another beast. Aren't chargers still projectile and not histscan? I think the only hitscan that game truly has is the line marker and nobody plays with that. My biggest qualm with Splatoon is the range on the different chargers basically makes Eliter and stock charger the only ones for that role useful. Disagree if you want but I see pencil as different than trad chargers.
I see what you're saying about the effective fighting distance but I say Sniper having an infinite range but a more exclusive install target makes his efforts mechanically more strict.
Plus flanking in S3 (I didn't really play 1 or 2 much) is borderline impossible since mids so often lack flank routes or only posses flanks from very specific paths requiring you to enter extreme vulnerability. It's basically the 2fort problem, doesn't matter if my range is limited if you must pass through.

>>724710708
I find myself having to play casual a bit more frequently because most servers are just inceltopia and skial or random game modes and hat trading that somehow hog most of the community.

>>724691136
Nobody kicks cheaters in this game even if they're blatant

>>724717906
Who the fuck still plays Uncle retard servers?

>>724689360 (OP)
Stupid American.

>>724717934
Bro, I have no clue when someone is cheating versus is just really good. How do I know it's not FatMagic on some stealth name who's 12-0 4 minutes into the round?
Genuinely I don't want the game to be unfair to anyone and it just feels really fucked up that you become so good at the game that you're punished for it.

>>724718124
If they can consistently headshot a speedbombing soldier they are very likely cheating.

>>724718124
When you play a long fucking time you can tell almost immediately. Alot of cheaters are bad at covering their tracks.

>>724718184
>3 stickies and uber
>get popped soon as uber ends despite team pushing

100% legit.

>Find old TF2 thread while looking for something in the archives
>Dude asking for sniper tips
>Half the replies to him are genuine advice and the other half is telling him to play a better class
>Nobody even arguing that sniper isn't one of the weaker classes
Holy shit, bots really did do a number on this playerbase.

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/355170605/

>>724718529
>I found someone in an archive thread I won't link who agrees with my retard faggot piece of shit opinion

>>724718509
My personal favorite are crit boosters
>literally 100% of the time you fight them they conveniently get a crit whether or not you see them coming.

>>724718627
>in an archive thread I won't link
...retardbro...

Does it really need to triple your sentry's HP? Seems a bit excessive

>>724718529
Almost as if several years of cheaters blatantly getting away with their bullshit will change people's opinions.

>>724718729
Just sap it. Or kill the engie, it's really not that difficult to deal with unless there's another engineer trying to tank it.

>>724707941
With the pool analogy, he could have the exact same experience playing by himself in an empty bar, just as the sweatlord sniper could have the same experience playing Duck Hunt, or whatever the modern equivalent is. The fact they specifically want to play against human players, specifically lesser skilled players who won't put up much of a fight, does in fact suggest they are getting something out of that interaction that they wouldn't get elsewhere, whether that's malice, or just pride, or whatever else.

Even ignoring those assumptions, our having fun doesn't impede his. If your only means of enjoying a group activity involves making it significantly less enjoyable for several other people, intentional or not, that's your issue if people want to take measures not to play with you. I don't have the energy as a working adult with limited free time to sit down at the end of the day looking for a friendly relaxing game to have to waste 10 minutes in a server before some arm aimer shows up and holds a bunch of people hostage in respawn for the remainder of the game. And I don't begrudge cheaters or domineering admins one bit for sitting them down even at the expense of fairness.

>>724718124
Brother if they're flicking to you before they turn the fucking corner it's a safe bet to assume they're fucking cheating

>>724718729
I think the biggest thing that needs to happen is that the shield doesn't stay when the wrangler is disengaged.
killing the engineer doesn't mean shit if the sentry still has 1000 effective HP for 3 seconds, that's critical time of an uber wasted on not making progress to clear the nest out

>>724718529
Pubs are far less organized than ever and takes one australium sniper to ruin whole shit. Also more cheaters.

>>724718821
My personal favorite is getting prefired by a direct hit when there is a zero percent chance they know I'm coming around a corner

>>724718907
Or the FaN scout double tapping on shotting the entire team that somehow everyone thinks is legit

>Valve servers block most custom content because uhhhhh cheating so no fempyro models for ya, also buy hats
>Btw you can have that earrape deadringer mod

>>724718997
The infamous
>FaN that doesn't launch you at point blank and always 100% meatshots

>>724718328
I won't claim to be decent or a veteran but I just can't see it without obvious tells like >>724718821. I've seen people do godly or very lucky things before and this is absolutely the kind of game where if you are steamrolling you have significantly higher chance of making crazy things from simply shooting your shot in the dark.
And yeah, the vast majority of it are cheaters, probably 70-80% of it, but I take false positives very seriously personally as mentioned. Now if there's one thing the community has conditioned me on is supporting a votekick almost without thinking, lots of times recently I've hit F1 because of the jerk reaction to kick bots only to realize I accidentally helped a troll kick someone they didn't like. Regret there.

>>724719227
>Valve servers block most custom content because uhhhhh cheating so no fempyro models for ya, also buy hats
The irony is that you can still fucking cheat via viewmodel mods.

>>724719227
bro I miss normalized sprays so badly

>>724719227
You can bypass those restrictions with a casual preloader

>>724715717
Everything the Sydney Sleeper can do is done better by Jarate and any other Sniper Rifle (minus the Classic). A "support" Sniper loadout I usually go with is the Huntsman, Jarate, and the Tribalman's Shiv, and then hanging around power classes for the most part to help them.
>Use the Huntsman to help whittle enemies down for your teammates, and to occasionally deal with higher value targets like Medics, Heavies, and other Snipers. The reduced damage doesn't mean much if you're with teammates.
>Use the Jarate on groups of enemies to punish them for group pushes, weaken higher value targets, spycheck, and to negate the Huntsman and Shiv's damage penalties. Very good if used while working with rapid-damaging classes like Pyros, Heavies, or even an Engineer's sentry gun.
>The Tribalman's Shiv is mainly just to save Jarate when spychecking. Its damage per swing is higher thanks to the bleeding, so it can be good for dealing damage while dead if you lose a melee duel. The Bushwacka crits are funny, but the increased damage taken make it a pain in the ass to stay alive (your main goal here as a support sniper).

>>724719539
Sydney sleeper makes an average sniper infinitely more annoying and only loses out to stock at a very high level of skill. The only thing that keeps sniper in line are that headshots are fairly difficult and sydney sleeper throws that shit out the window.

>>724719662
>The only thing that keeps sniper in line are that headshots are fairly difficult
They're really not.

>>724719227
>earrape deadringer mod
I can't imagine this helping me much. I hear the dead ringer loud and clear 9 times out of 10, hardly anybody even uses it for stealth. It's used to give the spy momentary invisibility upon failure and a second life, where they fully expect you've detected them but now they get another dice roll at a hitbox between the eyes because the net code didn't grant them one the first time they ran right up to your face.

>>724719713
Compared to most classes in the game they are. W+M1 is not difficult, shooting feet is not difficult, clicking healbeam on people is not difficult, etc etc.

>>724712987
>>724717181
>another day where the Sniper has a more free [any fire]>Axetinguisher or Gas Passer> Neon Annihilator combo as a ranged support class with a supposed CQC weakness over the close range offensive powerclass

>>724719780
close range but not touchin tips is a bigger range than you think

>>724719725
You can also slap on regular cloak, files are completely whitelisted.

>>724719227
I still remember the footstep sound mod that made all footstep sounds the robot one so you could easily hear invisible spies sneaking around

>>724719748
You know the ironic part about this post is that you can get away with a lot of stupid w+m1 quick scope shenanigans as Sniper specifically because his damage is so low effort for such a high gain. He's really not difficult.

>>724719873
I may just start doing that, though I'd feel bad for using it against normal spies who actually try to use stealth and strategy rather than farming health and cheesing hitboxes, since they're actually fun to play against.

>>724719848
I would not expect said class weak with CQC on paper to get a massive jump in viability at the closet of distances

>>724720085
same can be said for a medic with a ubersaw in his hands

>>724719662
>The only thing that keeps sniper in line are that headshots are fairly difficult
This would only be true if thousands of incel snipelords hadn't already smashed right through the skill ceiling years ago. You've seen the videos, legitimate non-cheating pro tourney players in games landing insane pixel-perfect flick headshots like it's nothing. When you get one of those in a regular pub or community server in TF2 it literally ruins the entire experience, it's as good as playing with a spinbot.

>>724718529
>2015
Here's a valve blog post from 2009
https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2477

>>724720287
you're not fighting FNATIC Derke every time you have a good sniper in your lobby though.
every aimfag worth a shit is already in the esport games
they'd be trashed by your average faceit 7s in skill

>>724720374
>We've noticed people complaining about dying from a Sniper across the map
>Therefore we're not gonna address this and instead add a short range primary that will hopefully distract you from the issue
Seriously what were they thinking

>>724720270
I guess? Ubersaw helps longevity, you could argue they'd enter hit-and-run tactics flashing themselves with the uber but it doesn't quite do the same as Jarate-Bushwacka.
Ubersaw is not as bad as the crossbow but in that similar realm where there are rarely any sidegrades more worth your time 100% of the time. It's hard to compete with the utility of a free swing granting you 25% ubercharge, that's a bit silly how good it is, same argument I'd make for Sniper's J-Bw combo. Difference is there's no class that does what Medic does better, Engie heals but can't even overheal let alone uber or buff, which is my strongest contension when comparing Sniper to Pyro. If the Amby is believed to be too much a Sniper roll in Spy's hands, why is Sniper performing Pyro's job suddenly ok already when Spy has to sustify the few use cases he's more optimal than Sniper at the same pick role?

>>724718529
It shouldn't surprise you that players have gotten better in a decade. The problem with sniper is literally that, it's the most raw skill-based class in a game which otherwise has hard ceilings. A mid sniper is as good as a wasted slot on the team. A high level sniper who can reliably land headshots over and over with 10+ killstreaks is game breaking.

>>724698046
>full of troons that are also somehow simultaneously neo nazis
i.e. sharty faggots

>>724720270
random crits are bullshit no matter how much /v/ tries to argue otherwise.

>>724705118
>I asked people who specifically hate sniper to play without sniper and they said...
Being anti sniper is a very clear low IQ indicator.

>>724689360 (OP)
>asshurt from getting "outclassed" by cheaters
they didn't beat the game
they didn't even play the game
their k/d ratio or winnings mean nothing

>>724720287
>When you get one of those in a regular pub or community server in TF2
You are not getting those from random snipers in a regular pub with any regularity whatsoever and you are delusional if you think you are. This playerbase in general is not that good despite what people cope to themselves about. And even when you do, they're going to shit on everybody with whatever class they pick. No fucking shit a top level player is gonna pubstomp. That's not a balance issue.

>>724720638
>This isn't a big issue but some people were bitching about it so hopefully this new toy we give sniper will have the side effect of reducing their complaints when snipers fuck around with it

>>724720774
>A high level soldier who can reliably land rockets over and over with 10+ killstreaks is game breaking
>A high level demo who can reliably land pipes over and over with 10+ killstreaks is game breaking
Insightful post anon.

>>724720965
soldier and demo have to get into close range and sniper doesn't.

>>724720965
Soldier and demo still need interact with your team, bare minimum of teamwork can kill pockets with ease.

Now go ahead and try kill a sniper on badwater last.

>>724720774
>It shouldn't surprise you that players have gotten better in a decade
It actually does surprise me that TF2 players insist on this because I do not see it at all. I play this game fairly sporadically and have never once thought to myself "oh man, everybody's so much better now!"

>>724720774
>It shouldn't surprise you that players have gotten better in a decade.
They haven't though. TF2 players are the dumbest sons of bitches I've ever encountered in a multiplayer game, let alone an fps.

>>724694224
Community servers DO exist.
The issue is the irredeemable faggots that occupy and run them are people NOBODY wants to interact with who are too autistic to admit the problem is them.
Also casual is fine, like the only thing you could say is the dogshit drawer UI is COMPLETELY inadequate at dealing with how many maps are in the game, or you're talking about when they were ddosing the matchmaking server itself

Soldier can crowd control, yes, but he feels so unreliable to frequently bomb a crowd compared to a demo. Soldier feels like the midpoint between Scout and Demo. I suppose nobody ever wants to 2v1 being the 1 but Soldier's weakness is certainly splitting his attention like many hitscan oriented classes, Demo doesn't have that problem as much.

>hate playing as and against stock sniper
>Huntsman snipers however I've found are the most chill fuckers in the game and even i find some great entertainment in getting those point blank headshots on overconfident scouts
>mfw there's sadly always a faggot playing rifle sniper so the fun with the Huntsman is the most short lived thing in the universe

>>724720965
Thing about soldier and demo is a lot of their power comes from having a medic with them, and in that case you have to factor in the ways having a medic limits them (can't jump around without abandoning him, unless he's got quick-fix, then you have to factor in the drawbacks of quick-fix).

>>724720287
>non-cheating pro
Nobody tell him

>>724721746
I love playing Huntsman on Freaky Fair with the reload speed and movespeed buffs

>>724721854
Whoa whoa whoa anon hang on, someone might have identified that he was staring at people through walls, buuuuuuuut.. HE'S WEIRD AND BAAAAAD, so he's not cheating.

>>724721665
Soldier have mobility as advantage and demo weapons can be very awkward to aim.

Not saying that a good demo don't wreck shit but still is far easier to burst down than soldier.

>>724698631
It's not even danger shield that stops backstabs you fucking retard, it's razorback, and a good sniper is going to ensure you go even trade with him by being placed well to where the sentry will kill you. If you want the more reliable "fuck razorback shitters in specific" gun, Enforcer is better

>>724720965
Nobody is getting killed by a soldier or demo from the sentry nest at the beginning of Upward

>>724721746
>enjoy the classic
>have a good time
>enemy rifle sniper shows up and the fun is now over
how would you even unfuck this gun to not be a death sentence against other snipers?

>>724721746
Huntsman is the most fun way to play sniper

>>724721946
>mobility
good point. I'd like to add that to my "middleground of Scout/Demo" argument but his method of rocketjumping is unique mechanically for trajectory and something Demo is a little more exclusive on.

>>724718529
>instant kill
>any range
>riskless
oh but yeah sure a scout that risked it all and spent his time running all the way to the back only to get slaughtered on his way out assuming he even succeeds means that sniper is bad ackshually

>>724718817
>just as the sweatlord sniper could have the same experience playing Duck Hunt, or whatever the modern equivalent is
Playing against actual humans is always different than AI. This isn't pool. Why don't you go play a single player game and have the same experience yourself? Because you can't.
>specifically lesser skilled players who won't put up much of a fight
It's not like they're smurfing or purposefully picking servers designated for noobs. They are just trying to play the game. You are coming up with reasons to hate people trying to play the game like you purely so you don't feel bad about saying they shouldn't be allowed to play.
>looking for a friendly relaxing game
Then play a co-op game instead of a PvP game that pits you against other people. It's absurd how many people on here play games that put them in competition with other players then bemoan how they're an adult, like other people on the server, when the other players are better than them and they can't do well without trying.
>And I don't begrudge cheaters
You should reexamine your thinking if you're siding with actual cheaters over people who are simply good at the game.

I'm not saying you have to stay in the server, for the record, but there's a fundamental difference between a couple people leaving and one person deciding to just ban someone from an ordinary server while falsely accusing them of cheating. They should mark the server as being for noobs and own up to the fact that the player is too good when they ban them if they want to do that. But they won't do that.

>>724721991
play in less open areas? Map dependent though

>>724721936
That shit was still so fucing dumb, I hate the youtube ecosystem

>>724722352
Context?

>>724721991
literally zero reason to run the classic if you keep moving around and only go for quickscopes. quickscoping itself needs to be nerfed.

>>724717934
>>724718124
>>724718328
I feel like it's like trying to detect AI images; I think people's confidence far outweighs their actual aptitude. I believe someone BELIEVES they know the difference, but I also believe they've been fooled many a time and don't know it.

>>724721027
And they don't have to tunnel vision and die to any shitter spy or random scout running by. What's your point?

>>724721854
outside of hl sniper mains cheating is practically nonexistent in comp because tf2 is such a movement and positioning heavy game and cheats can't help you with those.

>>724722728
>comp
you mean 6s? Snipers are the main terror in HL

>>724722612
>but I also believe they've been fooled many a time and don't know it.
If you're genuinely good at FPS games then you get accused of cheating pretty regularly, particularly in games without SBMM or in casual queues where it's looser. My friends barely even comment on it anymore when somebody says to report me.

>>724722728
>he doesn't know

>>724722763
There are 8 other classes in HL.

>>724722763
>>724722728
Apologies, I didn't read and overlooked the "outside of hl"

>>724722705
>tunnel vision
quickscopes negate that downside and it hardly even matters if you stick on a razorback and stand near teammates or a sentry
>spy and scout
good luck getting past the rest of his team

>>724722591
Maybe you don't like having to zoom in to charge shots? I know that's always put me off about playing sniper and it is the primary strength of the classic.

>>724722705
Yeah bro, just go and click him, it's that easy to counter.

>>724699112
I miss the flare gun.
Just puff them up close and between the axtinguisher and flare gun, they're mostly fucked, and the flare makes sure you have ways to exist outside of flamethrower range.
Nothing gets to avoid being on fire.

>>724722705
A lot of the talk about sniper being broken comes from realising that you really don't need to charge your shots. 150 a shot is plenty, especially when that downs the most important target in one hit. Meaning if you're playing competently you're keeping your tunnel visioning to an absolute minimum. And the funny thing about spies and scouts is they also can be downed in one hit without needing to charge as well.

Why the fuck reserve shooter got nerfed?

>>724723549
>free minicrits for clicking m2
truly a mystery for the ages

>>724720736
specifically Highlander Snipers

>>724723965
then what were the plat snipers that weren't banned?
carried by their better team?
different undetected cheat?
actually that cracked?

>>724724607
Built different until proven cheating.

>>724705118
>someone's entitled opinion states removing something fun doesn't make the game less fun
Sounds like retard talk to me, boy.

>>724723050
If your team gets raped by quickscoping sniper and nobody can counter him, then he is obviously a superior player and deserved to assrape you.
>>724723159
Correct, this guy gets it.

>>724704975
It was hilarious seeing all the fucking snipers that played UGC plat when I did get hit by the ban wave, I legit think it was almost 40% of all sniper players in that division

>>724723050
>good luck getting past the rest of his team
What are you playing, a fucking 100vs100 battlefield match? There are always paths to flank. You aren't playing dogshit maps that don't account for sniper at all, are you? Oh wait, you are forced to play them because of dogshit casual system? Is delicate TF2 balance fucked because Valve allows horrid maps in game and casual forces people to play them? TF2 was never intended to function this way? Hmm makes you think huh. It really seems like sniper class is the real problem here.

>>724716980
That would work like 15 years ago when community servers were a thing. Now valve did everything to funnel people away from them. TF2 nowadays is less then a shell of it's former self, it was truly the most fun you could have online when community servers thrived. Now community servers are only run by mentally retarded, either you go to servers run by looney troons, ecelebs or /pol/-brained kids. Either fags who ban you for saying bad word or fags who voice spam nigger. There's literally nothing in-between. I miss when you could jump into a server and it was just normal people having fun.

>>724726026
90% of new maps take sniper into account far better than the eternal UPWARD BADWATER UPWARD BADWATER UPWARD BADWATER we've had for almost two decades

>>724726026
>you are forced to play them because of dogshit casual system?
It would be the other way around you retarded nigger. If quickplay was re-instated you would be forced to play maps you hate all of the time.

>>724726745
That's completely wrong you retard. In quickplay I could just view a list of servers and pick a map I want to play. In casual I pick a map and pray matchmaking feels like connecting me to a game.

>>724726745
>you would be forced to play maps you hate all of the time
Are you thinking of pre-2014 quickplay? There was a show servers button so you could choose what server you wanted to connect to specifically to avoid this >>724710708

>>724726869
Back then we didn't have 200+ maps. Adding quickplay back would legitimately kill the game for good. Most if not all of the servers would be running some trash map that got chosen because the playerbase can't discern a quality map from a trash one.

>>724722901
Spoken like somebody that's never played highlander. Map depending, of course, but he's public enemy number 2 (right behind medic) when it comes to kills. If your sniper dies to theirs or your medic or the like the game comes to a screeching, dull halt as you hide behind cover. It's fucking annoying as hell on like Viaduct or Lakeside

>>724722612
I have over 6k hours in TF2. I think I know what a cheater looks like especially when the guy I'm accusing is at the top of the scoreboard, stomping with only 20 hours on his f2p account.

>install tf2
>First match, sniper main drops 80 points in a single round and everybody leaves
>Second match, kunai diamondback spy chain kills no sound noobs and crit revolvers players who are actually paying attention
>Third match, another sniper main
>Fourth match, look at kill feed before leaving spawn
>Backstab, backstab, backstab, double revolver kill
>Alt-f4
I miss what tf2 used to be

>>724711704
newfag here, how did they nerf heavy?

>>724727772
NTA but sandwiches used to you could throw them for a health pack not just for teammates but for yourself. I don't know what the other nerf he's referring to is.

>>724720835
>No fucking shit a top level player is gonna pubstomp. That's not a balance issue.
The fact you mentioned balance seems to suggest you're viewing this as a win-loss issue while I am not. Winning and losing is a vehicle for gameplay, and competition is there to serve enjoyment, not the other way around. Stomping is not the issue, I expect to lose the game against a better team. Dying over and over to a solider at mid range because he's the better player is not frustrating in the same way, because there's gameplay involved within the challenge, and I'm still able to interact with the game and at least try to fight the uphill battle toward inevitable loss. The way the sniper kills is something else entirely, you are deleted instantly and without warning, no back and forth, it's the opposite of gameplay. The mitigating factor is the skill and to an extent luck required to reliably land headshots on moving targets. So when you have a player with sufficient skill to remove that mitigation, you have a class which can stomp multiple people in such a way as to stop them from even being able to play, which takes me back to my pool table analogy.

>>724725047
Yeah being another idiot who can't use the word entitled right is retard talk.

>>724727412
Lmao its always been that dumbass. Andnif you are complaining about revolver headshotsnit used to be worse before the nerr

>>724727929
spy who's entire interaction is
>did you hear me decloak

>>724726026
>There are always paths to flank.
No there aren't. Even valve-made maps fail at this. In fact valve themselves might be the worst culprits.

>>724727772
>>724727902
Spin up damage penalty I assume?
You have to be spun up for 1 second to get full accuracy and damage.

>>724728197
Oh right. That is a thing.

>>724727772
"All mini-guns now have damage and accuracy ramp up after they start firing. Full accuracy and damage is reached 1 second after firing." Remember - this is after firing. To achieve full damage you must be constantly firing, if at any point you stop, the damage will reset. The accuracy is tied to you revving."

Note, after FIRING. Meaning that staying revved doesn't help, and you need to hold m1 for like 3 seconds before you're effective at all.

That, plus, the nerf to the GRU turned heavy into a glorified sentry gun.

>>724722272
>Playing against actual humans is always different than AI. This isn't pool. Why don't you go play a single player game and have the same experience yourself? Because you can't.
Of course I can't. The experience I'm after when I play a multiplayer video game is some fun challenge cooperating with and fighting against some competent players. If I'm the sniper in question, what am I getting out of sitting behind a sentry and picking off weaker players over and over with no real competition, that I could not also get out of playing a single player game?

>>724726573
>90% of new maps take sniper into account far better than the eternal UPWARD BADWATER UPWARD BADWATER UPWARD BADWATER we've had for almost two decades
I keep telling people to vote aquarius but they never do :(

>>724727215
>Spoken like somebody that's never played highlander.
And you have zero reading comprehension
>outside of hl sniper mains

>>724728342
>if at any point you stop, the damage will reset
They changed this to just being revved at some point, I believe, so it doesn't reset until you spin down.

>>724728502
I guess that's cool, but the extra second and lack of mobility still mean the class is almost completely worthless unless you sit in a sentry nest or have a full team covering your weaknesses

>>724728640
Yeah he's just a sentry with a slightly larger sightline and no rockets

Friendly reminder that TF2 is at its peak when it's played 12v12, any other format is fucking gay and retarded, fuck 6s and highlander and those cancerous 100 player servers.

>>724726026
>You aren't playing dogshit maps that don't account for sniper at all, are you?
Most community maps aren't much better with abhorrent sniper sightlines. Sniper has always been an extremely overtuned class and turning every map into steel or junction instead of just nerfing him and solving the fundamental problems with him is idiotic. Sniper mains can take a fucking L for once like every other class who has had their kneecaps taken by valve at one point or another.

>>724728902
32 player servers were fun

>>724728943
This thread alone has almost every fucking space on that bingo sheet

>>724728342
>sentry spin up nerf
that's aids. Considering how hard heavy gets cornerpeaked or flanked by scunts/dragonsfury, that's insane. Stickyspamming should die and heavies should come back, fuck whatever trannies have to say.
>GRU
the gru is still somewhat useful but it is pretty much only for shaving a second or so away from spawn-to-frontlines transit. You'll die so fast if you try to use it to... run urgently, that is running away or towards an enemy.

>>724729068
Don't forget they also ruined the Eviction Notice as well, turning it into a shitter GRU

>>724729139
honestly fuck whoever has a vendetta against heavy. Heavy should have been given the banners, not soldier. The game should be centered around heavies.

>>724728403
Don't bother replying to me if you're only going to cherrypick the one specific point I made that you managed to come up with a shitty rebuttal to. I'm going to assume you're admitting you can't say anything else and ignore you until you address the rest of my argument instead of trying to brush past it.

>>724729139
Before someone blames compfags eviction notice was never banned in any format.

>>724728943
>for once like every other class who has had their kneecaps taken by valve at one point or another.
Like soldier and demo?

>>724729187
I don't get how people ever had a problem fighting heavy, he has so many counters even if he has a medic up his ass. Weapons like the Direct Hit or old Loch n Load wpuld absolutely decimate heavy medic combos, but apparently he just needs nerfs while other more deserving classes are untouched

>get insta kill by a bunch of stickies behind a wall
Fair
>Get backstab because I didn't check behind every 2 seconds
Fair
>Get one tap by a scout with his worse shotgun
Fair
>Get all your team deleted by a shinny rocket
Fair and balance
>Mauled to dead by an aimbot because it was put in an unusual place
Fair
>One spy deleting your team with a garden knife
Fair
>Insta kill one person at distance
VALVE THIS IS FUCKING BROKEN NERF PLEASE, GIME BACK THE OLD SANDMAN

>>724729187
there is no variety in heavy's playstyles now. It's why everyone goes with tomslav/sandvich/FoS. It's depressing. The way most players deal with heavy proves most don't see him as a threat, hence he immensely deserves buffs if not just unwriting the nerfs.

>>724689360 (OP)
I have 7000 hours in TF2 and outside of the bot hoards I've seen a Sniper dominate the enemy team like three times.

>>724729325
god only knows. Direct hits from projectiles, bleed/flames, peaking all counter him. Also, scouts and Dragon's Fury pyros stand a good chance against a distracted heavy even if he's revved.

>>724729353
>garden knife

>>724728024
Nta but spy takes considerably more risk to even get in position for a backstab, ignoring trickstabs/shitty melee hitreg/interp abuse.
Between spontaneously appearing enemies, random spam, and your own teammates revealing you, and voicechat, spawn wallhacks, and pyro existing to make your life harder, it's easy to see how spy is much easier to manage than sniper. Turning around once in awhile and using voicechat can fuck a spy over, sniper appearing around a corner can be a death sentence or send you to a health pack.

>>724729353
>people don't like dying to some asshole across the map with no effort on his part and that doesn't want to engage with the rest of the game
No shit?

Guys, i don't want to alarm you, but there is a invisible heavy behind this spoiler, they just used their spell.

>>724705452
>You mean for his test group that was made up of people who disliked sniper?
I joined his server multiple times and there were often plenty of snipers on either team.

>>724729307
demo ate a big radius nerf to stickies and his grenade launchers and demoknight items have been nerfed numerous times. remember when tide turner let him chain crits? remember when loch n load one shot 125 classes? remember old caber?

soldier admittedly has been pretty much left as is but he has still received his fair share of nerfs to black box, beggars, bison, gunboats, base jumper, equalizer, whip. more nerfs than sniper ever got. rocket launcher ammo was also cut significantly while sniper still has way more ammo than he will ever need. he's undeniably worse than scout and demo.

>>724729970
>3000x4000
Are you sure it isn't a Metal Giant Heavy?

>>724710682
How does Pyro not count?
They basically exist to put other classes in check without having any obvious strengths themselves. Airblast negates soldier.
Engi can zap his projectiles out of the air. A demo is also far better at taking out a nest than a Soldier.
But yeah, the Soldier and Scout have the fewest predators.

>>724729325
>The game should be centered around heavies.
All fun to be had in this game is thanks to that not always being the case. This game is enjoyable when it promotes lots of movement with a focus on dodging attacks. It's not fun when the focus is on having to constantly keep your distance and take pot shots at an obnoxiously large health pool in a game where keeping your distance specifically punishes your damage output. And your only ways around that is using an obscenely powerful weapon that most people demonstrably don't like using that much, a counter who is easily shut down with communication (heavy being a class who always has someone watching his back) and a long range counters whose use is so unpopular that complaining about him is literally the topic of this very thread.
>>724729551
>>724729325
Whatever claims you have about dealing with him don't pan out in practice. Heavy+Medics steamrolling pubs is a frequent occurrence.

>>724729048
Because every single one of those is a legitimate advice, but crying shitters can never learn.

>>724729790
>with no effort
Yet you can't do the same? Curious. Shitters always expose themselves. If you get clicked on in FPS you die, that's how it's always been. If you want to play against pea shooters, go play overwatch

>>724727105
Literally everything in your post already happens, but people are denied any agency whatsoever.

>>724731127
>hurr why don't you play sniper too then
Because sniper isn't fun to play or play against? Was that your gotcha moment?

>>724728154
Yeah valve also has dogshit maps, yet nobody cried about sniper unlike fags do today. Back then people got killed by a sniper, got butthurt about it, changed to spy, avoided fight on choke point (viewing it as a fun challenge) and killed the fucker and taunted on him. Nowadays people get killed by a sniper, get butthurt about it, cry like little bitches and go whine on the internet. I hate zoomers so much it's unreal.

>>724731259
If playing sniper in FPS game isn't fun for you and killing annoying sniper isn't fun either, you should really go play some zoomer hero shooters instead. It's okay, not every game is made for you. You don't have to enshittify a great game because it doesn't appeal to your shit taste.

>>724730042
>remember when tide turner let him chain crits? remember when loch n load one shot 125 classes?
That isn't the class getting kneecapped but valve giving him broken shit and eventually coming to their damn senses, if anything it's an example of favouritism that he was allowed that shit to begin with.

Soldier and Demo have only really had two actual nerfs to their core classes. That's the sticky nerf you mentioned and the soldier nerf that prevented him from being able to point blank rockets and keep the damage resist meant for jumping. Everything else has been the classes getting powerful shit that later needed toning down.
>>724730446
Pyro needs to be good just to reliably reflect to begin with when a similar skilled soldier then knows how to outplay reflect.

>>724731538
Don't make me tap the blog post >>724720374

>>724731675
Yeah let me go play zoomer games where they're more prominent. Fucking dumbass ESL spic.

>>724731675
Hero shooters have snipers as well. Funnily enough the one shooter that springs to mind as not having snipers are quake-style arena shooters (sure there's the railgun but it's specifically not designed to one shot people). If anything tf2 is from the breed of shooter that normally avoids snipers, even valve questioned whether the class should be in the game.

>>724702501
People will say it's gay but you are correct to do so

Playing against a really good sniper is literally fucking impossible. There's not even any game. You just die the picosecond you leave the spawn because they're basically an aimbot. There's no counter to that.

>>724731841
Snipers in hero shooters are nerfed so much to cater to your abhorent zoomer tastes, they may as well just not exist. Fuck off and play them instead.

>>724731769
Nothing in there disproves anything I said.

>>724731682
>valve giving him broken shit and eventually coming to their damn senses
like sniper getting an unlock that let him tank headshots? or sniper still having a throwable buff banner every 20s that lets him get guaranteed melee crits at close range where he's supposed to be weak? or an unlock that lets him ignore his one class counter? or a sniper rifle that is literally a straight upgrade in the hands of a skilled player? those ones?
>and the soldier nerf that prevented him from being able to point blank rockets and keep the damage resist meant for jumping
that is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the damage reduction being reduced from 75% to 60% on gunboats.

no matter how you look at it soldier and demo got nerfed harder than sniper. if any class is the favorite it's fucking sniper.

spy should have a smokebomb
change my mind

>>724722575
That one Fatmagic retard who's whole schtick is cheating until people tell him to fuck off and vote kick him got some other retard youtuber to make a video demonstrating several of the times of he was staring through walls at people.
Fatmagic then got ANOTHER faggot TF2 Youtuber who's whole schtick is ripping off the Bullyhunters thing where he joins people's casual games and fights hackers (this is not how Valve matchmaking works), and basically all they went over was that the dude who made the completely unnecessary "unfunny faggot who cheats until he gets schtick is cheating" video was that he couldn't make observations because he was weird and said nigger.
I think.
I genuinely can't be bothered with a bunch of astroturfed gaylords but I remember the whole thing being dumb and embarrassing.

>>724732535
no, I won't

>>724731769
why even bring up the blog post?
valve knew quickscopes were problematic before the game even came out and then proceeded to do fuck all about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pgFFSpqQvw&t=427s
valve coddles snipers so hard it's not even funny. obviously a giant sniperfag heading the team seeing how often they nerf spy and pretend his gamebreaking bugs don't exist.

>>724732470
>like sniper getting
Yeah other classes have gotten broken shit as well. Haven't said otherwise. Just agreeing with the other anon that soldier/demo haven't ever really been "kneecapped". Unless you count the very brief moment when the sticky damage itself got nerfed and I'm not entirely sure it might have ended up being a good change.

>that is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the damage reduction being reduced from 75% to 60% on gunboats.
That's another example of soldier getting something powerful then getting it toned down.

>>724732459
It's a reminder that hatred of snipers were very much a thing back then.

>>724732802
>valve coddles snipers so hard it's not even funny
Because it's a weak class in reality and everybody understood it back then. It's laughably easy to kill an annoying sniper in 99% of games of TF2. But then community got mind broken by sniper bots and troglodytes ecelebs.

>>724732802
>Tries to make a point about how unbalanced sniper is
>Posts a video of people cheating

>>724732470
It's not a matter of him being the favorite as much as literally nobody thinking he was nearly as strong as them to begin with until the community spent years getting buckbroken by bots after active development stopped. It'd be like everyone deciding engie is broken and clearly favored by the devs since they never gutted him.

>>724732829
>Yeah other classes have gotten broken shit as well
which have more or less all been nerfed at some point while sniper is almost completely untouched. the only significant nerf sniper has ever received is the razorback nerf and it's still by far the most used secondary for sniper. you can't even count the dds change because it's overhaul is equally as stupid and completely shuts off pyro as a class.

>That's another example of soldier getting something powerful then getting it toned down.
so when are they gonna nerf jarate into the floor for being one of the most broken unlocks in the entire game?
>t-that doesn't count

>>724732906
Hatred of every class has been a thing since launch. People would also laugh at you for saying sniper was broken back then.

>>724732940
>>724733082
>dominates pubs
>dominates hl
>most used offclass in 6s
sniper mains are delusional

>>724733260
Do you disagree that people didn't think he was broken before bots?

what if the Razorback was one-time crit immunity instead

>>724733362
He needs some time to dig up 5 posts over the 8 years TF2 was out to pretend sniper was ever a problem before the bots (or a problem during the bots, and not the fact youtubers were pumping bots into Valve matchmaking)

>>724733201
No sniper hatred in particular was a thing, more so than other classes. The only other class to really attract ire was demoman due to able acknowledged to be OP.

>People would also laugh at you for saying sniper was broken back then.
Sniper has never been considered a weak class. At worst he's acknowledged to be bad because typically people can't aim for shit. So no different to snipers in any game.

>>724733670
Did I say he was considered a weak class? Are you really going to argue people didn't complain about pyro?

>>724733136
You seem to be really intent on picking a bone with me when all I've done is agree with the notion that Soldier and Demo have never been "kneecapped" in any sense. Yeah I guess you could say Sniper hasn't as well.

>>724733373
>sniper tanking headshots again
great idea fellow valve employee and lets reduce spy's base health to 1 while we're at it

>>724718729
It's times like these you bring out the Red Tape Recorder

>>724733926
demo sticky radius nerf is the main reason why scout is now the most dominant class in competitive and why sticky spam is nowhere near as common as it once was. if we're including changes that were reverted the 50% damage penalty on stickies is easily the biggest nerf any tf2 class has ever received by far.

>>724733839
>Did I say he was considered a weak class?
Yeah that is what being laughed at for saying a class is broken would entail.

>Are you really going to argue people didn't complain about pyro?
At release? He was literally the worst class in the game. No one complained about him. Complaints did happen when the backburner got added but it quickly got nerfed. At that point only idiots complained about the pyro.

>>724727412
in all fairness, wading through games like that was what TF2 always was

>>724734138
>the biggest nerf any tf2 class has ever received by far.
>Pyro doing a quarter damage under a myriad of circumstance including but not limited to if the enemy gamer he is attacking is currently touching a wall and literally EVERYthing he has

>>724732802
What map so I know never to play it

Sniper has no counter
Having tools that slightly mitigate his danger is not a counter.
A counter is when you use a strategy that has an advantage over another strategy, not a strategy with slightly worse disadvantage.

>>724720774
>>724718529
Also cheating has gotten a LOT easier and more effective

>>724733945
crit immunity still means a backstab would do 2x his current health
and the ambassador can break the shield from its maximum distance
and the wrap assassin can too

>>724728502
Yeah it's 1 sec with 50% accuracy and damage while reeving up, there is a reason that everyone use tomislav instead, not to mention that penalty is fucked due tickrates.

Is -15% not -20% like description, but being fair firerates are fucked since forever.

>>724734105
Personally, I carry around the Enforcer for this exact scenario. Occasionally two-shotting Razorback faggots is a nice bonus, too.

>>724733808
Wow, a copypasta with a troll face added. You got me, anon. Ignore the entire thread somebody linked further up where nobody even questions that sniper is worse than a lot of other classes.

The other guy really was right lmao

>>724734364
>Pyro doing a quarter damage under a myriad of circumstance including but not limited to if the enemy gamer he is attacking is currently touching a wall and literally EVERYthing he has
unintended bugs. his damage not ramping up properly is on valve's shitty spaghetti code and not caring enough to fix it.

>>724734769
>unintended bugs.
They intentionally did it after youtubers cried that Pyro wasn't losing every interaction after they changed the the flamethrower to begin with

>>724734864
>they intentionally added bugs
you are retarded

>>724734165
A class doesn't have to be weak for people to make fun of you for arguing it's broken. And I'll just dismiss all the complaints about sniper by saying it was done by idiots then too. That was easy.

>>724734864
TF2 hit reg is garbage, you can miss point blank shotgun or heavy minigun.

It kinda got fixed for CSGO but code never got ported.

>>724734561
how does any of that make tanking headshots any less stupid

>>724729551
I'm sorry heavy bro, you are one of the reasons I main dragon's fury nowadays because I can stand a chance against you guys with it.

>>724735176
because it exists solely to be anti-sniper while still being weak to cheap full-charge bodyshots

>>724734916
It's not a "bug", it's an intentional design decision to make flamethrower damage shit.
Just because you program something stupid doesn't make it a bug, or we'd be talking about fucking, mandatory lootboxes or streamers taking reduced damage in online multiplayer games being "bugs".
Which by the way the latter is a thing, it's in fortnite.

>>724735274
>while still being weak to cheap full-charge bodyshots
which will lose every time to a good sniper who is constantly moving around and headglitching. you've just made strong snipers even more oppressive for no fucking reason.

>>724734987
>A class doesn't have to be weak for people to make fun of you for arguing it's broken.
No that does seem to be a pre-requisite. If a class isn't weak then arguing it's broken does lend it credibility.

>And I'll just dismiss all the complaints about sniper by saying it was done by idiots then too.
Except unlike pyro sniper is demonstrably a powerful class (you've even agreed he isn't weak). And sniper does get hated more than other classes. It was said that he would often win "most hated class" polls. I brought up demo because unlike pyro he's the one class other than sniper that got a lot of complaints that were actually credible.

>>724735289
>it's not a bug that standing near a wall reduces flamethrower damage
the lengths you retards will go to to not lose an argument

>>724735374
that's what spy is for

>>724735507
You could semantically describe it as "unintended behavior" even though that wouldn't apply at all since the point of the change was to make pyro have shit damage.

>Natasha tickles without offering anything decent, not even faster DPS or even penetration to compensate. Also slow still is bugged.
>Brass beast take forever to rev up and bonus damage means jackshit when you immediately explode after
>Huolong is only good if you hug the cart and have ton of pyros.
>>>>>Tomislav actually have downsides

That kind of stuff really irks me, everyone have some sort of alt gameplay, but heavy keeps same no matter what.

>>724736180
it's inverted behavior, something that happens a lot with typos

>>724734138
>if we're including changes that were reverted the 50% damage penalty on stickies is easily the biggest nerf any tf2 class has ever received by far.
It's really hard to pass judgement on that nerf because of how short lived it was. Even if it could be said to be the biggest nerf it would be a question of whether it actually fucked the demo or undid what was already an absurdly powerful weapon.

Hell do we actually know the specifics of how the ramp up originally worked? The patch notes doesn't even say how much the damage reduction is.

Daily seething shitters thread #59430579834

>>724736408
Supporting Pyro instead of Heavy in the MYM war is one of the biggest regrets of my life

>>724730550
In pubs you can steam roll with useless dogshit like the spy

>>724736523
we're gonna get the heavy update any day now!

>>724733073
1. You don't have to cheat to do this
2. Almost all good snipers are closet cheaters

>>724736626
Good spies in pubs are rare as it is and it's always uncertain how much their topscoring is due to the double point per backstab.

>>724689360 (OP)
kek, now I finally understand why you nazi niggas hate Brazilians so much, because you can't beat us in any game.

>>724689360 (OP)
I'm a good Pyro;^)

>>724736523
I would have supported a heavy update if it meant valve actually fixing the problems with the classes design. My biggest fear would have been valve actually believing the "heavy is weak" narrative and just giving a class already steamrolling pubs a flat buff. Heavy winning could have easily been the absolute worst thing to happen to the game.

>>724700804
Really.

Sex with fempyro.
That is all.

>>724736715
you can judge the quality of a spy by how much the enemy team is willing to turn around during a team fight

>>724691136
Ironically I will accept Huntsman "cheaters" because it's always been a broken bloody 12 foot tall head weapon. It could genuinely fuck you up more if you try cheating.

>>724717934
Because they almost can't affect the game's outcome by cheating alone. One level 3 teleporter and large quantity of tards being of their own quality in quantity can fuck any cheaters team. A strategizing pocket+cheater though are the biggest niggers you'll come across.

>>724737001
Pre nerf tomislav was stuff of nightmares.

>>724689360 (OP)
>>cheaters exist
>>what's the point
Just?
don't?
play?
with?
cheaters?
Are you retarded?

>>724737429
If only tf2tards were smart their bot crisis would've been over just like that. Just don't play with bots.

>>724737429
>but can't be sure if good sniper is cheating or not
>conclusion, don't have snipers
You might be on to something.

>>724736408
Silent rev on the tomislav is amazing, get on that sneaky bastard mindset and frag those gamers before they even realize you're there.

>>724738026
I love when heavyfags try and argue heavy is a fair design. They bring up that you can hear the heavy revving round the corner. They always forget valve actually made tomislav a thing.

>>724737429
>Just?
No, it's unjust.
>don't?
I already don't play sniper.
>play?
Yes, that is what you do with video games.
>with?
I have no friends.
>cheaters?
There are.
>Are you retarded?
I'm on 4chan.

>>724738364
October 20, 2017 Patch 1

> The 1-second damage and accuracy penalty now applies to the first second of spun-up time, whether or not the Heavy is firing. Previously, the 1-second damage penalty would only be removed after 1 second of firing.
> Accuracy and damage penalties now reset when the Heavy spins down, rather than when the Heavy stops firing. This means if you stay spun-up beyond one second, and fire in bursts, damage and accuracy will remain at 100%.


This nerf is specific for tomislav, everything but stock is unusable.

>>724738630
Yeah the entire ramp up nerf basically happened because of the tomislav. Valve realised they'd fucked up with the spin-up buff way back but only realised after already adding a minigun which by design can't have a long spin-up. Otherwise they would have just brought the spin-up time back to what it was at release.

>>724689360 (OP)
the real question is why spend time getting good when you're eventually not allowed to play the game anymore

>>724737429
yeah. Remove casual so people have player choice.

>>724718124
Try playing spy. If they flicked you two times in a row while cloaked, they are cheating.

>>724699112
i'm not trans so i'll stick with demo thank you

>>724708931
there's japanese dudes out there who are legends of volleyball, what's stopping white people from dominating basketball?

>>724732802
That commentary clip is a good example of how even 2007 valve was not thinking things through that well.
>establishes that sniper being able to one shot people with "impromptu snapfire" would be bad
>despite this, the 150 damage headshots he can do precisely when quickscoping can one-shot more than half the classes in the game

>>724741224
>I'm not trans so I'll stick with the englishman with a dress

This game is fucking infested with cheaters, from wall hacks to perfect airblast cheats. It's fucking unplayable now days. Best part is the average player doesn't believe anyone is cheating because they've been conditioned to think that cheating has to look like hundreds of bots ruining the matchmaking.

>>724741513
At this point any sort of complain about sniper is just background noise for valve.

>>724736408
at least there's fists of steel + panic attack

>>724738364
it's no different than just camping with a sticky trap. the opportunity cost is the real downside. heavy's whole purpose is to be a brick wall to the enemy team, protect the squishy support classes, and punish overextenders. something he's NOT doing while hiding in a random corner with tomislav.

>>724728403
There isn't a reason to do so, every sniper i've seen dominate matches will typically switch off after a map because they find it boring as fuck

>>724736408
Why does tomislav make people seethe with rage?

>>724741771
I love when Pyros aren't even looking at me but reflect rockets and grenades perfectly
It's fucking great, I'm so glad this will never be fixed

>>724742006
>it's no different than just camping with a sticky trap
Which is also bullshit. Valve tended to be very inconsistent on the idea that insta-deaths should have some kind of warning.

>>724738026
It's also really fucking good for just parking your ass on something behind cover and shooting anybody attempting to get close.

>>724736408
Natascha may be shit but I love it for the fact that it shuts down niggerknights alone and shits on their parade after a whole herd of them farm heads from your gibus spy and just started steam rolling everyone like a white man stuck in Detroit.

>>724729625
Kunais are garden tools glorified by weebs

>>724741035
This, checking in those niggas with the cloack and dagger for long enough and they will reveal themselves. Is funny when they try to avoid looking at you while cloak.

Some of them do a 360 the exact same moment you de-cloak even if you are way to far to hear it

>>724742252
Nothing about the weapon idea was smart.
>at the time people were already saying valve had made the minigun spin-up too fast, valve responded by adding a minigun where the spin-up was near-instant
>on top of this it was silent, breaking the idea that you can always hear the instant death of a close-range heavy approaching round a corner
>but surely valve was going to prove everyone wrong and show this weapon design could totally work right?
>haha no it was insanely OP and needed nerfing almost immediately and despite that is still regarded by many to be an upgrade on stock and used by most heavy players

>>724742919
Next you'll be telling me the scythe is actually a farming tool!

>>724689360 (OP)
You should've spent 700 hours having fun instead

>>724689360 (OP)
Whenever I play sniper I only like to use The Classic for some reason. It also makes other Snipers and Scout faggots seethe whenever I just bodyshot the entire game.

>>724742252
>Straight up upgrade over stock

It's not seethe just stupid design, DPS loss means jackshit because better accuracy even against another heavy.

>>724743329
The lack of zoom makes it deceptively strong, basically the closest thing to old Ambassador

>>724743390
>tomislav is a straight upgra-ACK!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euk9ueSh7Kk&t=837s

>>724744887
>Retard jumping in front of rev up minigun

No shit.

>>724745131
>Retard jumping in front of rev up minigun
Every tomislav user in a nutshell
>I can spin up faster so I am sure to wi- AIIIEEEE

>>724689360 (OP)
pvp is dead in 2020 plus lol
ai killed it as well as engagement based mtx
pve is way more fun or splitscreen pvp