Thread 724706568

So does Crash Bandicoot have even the faintest sliver of hope of returning to the hearts and minds of the common man? Or is he forever cursed to subpar games and eventual obscurity?

>>724706568 (OP)
Netflix just announced they're making a Crash animated series a few days ago

>>724706568 (OP)
Somewhat.

Like Tom Kalinske said: "You have to really make a lot of mistakes to kill a strong brand." Granted he was talking about Sonic the Hedgehog who has immortality powers but the point still stands.

It really depends on how the next era goes.

>>724706941
It keeps getting worse with each era and theres no supplementary material to tide people over or make them forget the bad games. Like Sonic always has shitty games, but then has cartoons, comics, dumb movies, and a fanbase for each niche or character. Crash was never given the time to diversify his brand and its too late to try now. He also doesn’t have a Shadow, Knuckles etc. A traditionally animated, 2D cartoon animated in a similar style of Goof Troop concurrent with the games and a few silly comic runs would have done wonders. Now? The talent isnt there.

>>724707902
They should do a comic or at least a webcomic. It's cheaper and can at least hold people over between games along with fleshing out shit. It's not like the Sonic IDW staff are expensive either. If Atari can afford them, I can't see why Activision/Microsoft can't.

I imagine they are working off a game to tie in to the show

Just let him stay in the grave in peace. Not every IP needs to be dug up and puppeted around.
It's clear they didn't know what fans wanted when they shoved out Crash Team Rumble and On the Run, issues with It's About Time are only evident to hardcore fans, on a surface level it's not offensive as a game and those casual sales are what Activision looked at to consider it a success/failure

>>724708446
Activision and Microsoft don’t care. The last 10 years and handling their flagship IPs like Halo and Gears and recent choices this year alone have shown they just do not give a shit where it counts, least of all for Crash. In a semi-perfect world they would go bankrupt and disband and every IP they own would go public domain.

>>724706629
turns out it was just a baseless rumor

>>724706568 (OP)
You made this exact same thread last week.

>>724709846
They were able to do a webcomic for Rumble. And they an illustration for Halloween this year. It's not out of the realm of possibility. It's also cheap to make. Only takes one dude.

>>724706941
>Removing Tawna from the series will forever be the worst decision in the franchise
What exactly did Tawna add to the gameplay? What did the games lose by omitting her?

Not hard, just make stupid webcomics. It's cheaper than making games.

Just drag whatever retards are working on the IDW Sonic comics. It's not like they got much else to do.

>>724711451
What are you, ACfag? It neuters and kills the cartoony spirit of the original game.

On that note, these comic totally invalidate any argument that 4 isn't a completely new timeline.

>>724712395
>"Spyro" in katakana looking like "Ripto" in the Latin alphabet
>N. Brio somehow saying that
Very forced joke.

>>724712624
>Crash 2 still has slapstick death scenes
>Still has expressive squash and stretch animations
>Still has the zany music (in fact Crash 2's music is far more energetic than Crash 1's)
>Cast of characters/bosses is still as varied as ever
>But no, this one character with a total of three separate animations in the original game being dropped is what killed the spirit of the franchise
If you're mad about your waifu being banished it's alright to say so. But outside of that, Tawna's absence didn't affect the quality of the series at all.

>>724710875
Honestly I would rather have 0 comics if they’re gonna be like this with a fucking transgender bat and gay Lab Assistant. The series does not need that shit its a kids Looney Tunes inspired franchise.

>>724706568 (OP)
>So does Crash Bandicoot have even the faintest sliver of hope of returning to the hearts and minds of the common man?
Crash was never there.

>>724706568 (OP)
only in racing games, no more platformers please, theyre shit

>>724711451
>>724712624
>>724713120
Notice how all discussion about Tawna turns to shit? Her removal in Wrath of Cortex i.e. the first official confirmation that Crash is a cuck caused irreparable damage to the franchise. A thing that only got compounded when TFB decided to skinsuit her with their ugly gay OC. Universal's decision making for the Crash franchise was consistently awful.

Also imagine what would happen if the Sonic Franchise removed Rouge the Bat. Derr coomers = $$$ = Your franchise stays alive.

>>724713660
Frontiers is one of the best selling Sonic games and didn't have Rouge. Neither did the movies. Not calling Frontiers or the movies good by any metric btw. Also,
>Her removal in Wrath of Cortex
You mean Cortex Strikes Back

>>724713763
>You mean Cortex Strikes Back
No I mean Wrath of Cortex. It was never officially a thing until the strategy guide for Wrath of Cortex explicitly stated it. Before that, she was just off-screen.
>But muh Japanese
Not canon. Fake Crash isn't Cortex in a Crash costume, Pura isn't an anthro, and Crash & Cortex didn't get stranded at the end of Crash 2. Much like the Spyro manga stuff, that can all be discarded.

Why do you people want old thing to be brought back to this gay reality?

Crash on the Run would still be around if they had a Rouge the Bat.

>>724706941
tag team racing was a sequel to twinsanity
retarded bait image kys b&

>>724710875
Iant the bat a troon? No thanks Crash can stay in the 90s/2000s crater

Crash on the Run would still be around if they had a Rouge the Bat.

>>724710875
if they stopped after the panel where catbat escaped and ditched the whole revenge lust, it would've been fine. Holding a grudge is one thing but it's painful to see it written this way.
cortex's castle was already in flames during the finale of 1 and it would make sense for anything alive that wasn't tacked down would flee. It's the entire reason that Tiny was united with Brio and opposed Cortex and Crash during the events of 2 but he later switched to side with Cortex in 3: it was just the first of the doctors he found that he was loyal too. This same explanation works for why Coco is around in 2, and for why any of the other mutant animals in post-naughtydog games (even if it makes no sense for them to be integrated with society since the Crash games take place on remote islands where only the natives could be considered a civilization)

>>724715176
It's filling in a plothole (kind of) in Crash 4. Dingodile's first level has him getting attacked by a bunch of bats. They're the one who destroyed his diner cause he's aligned with Cortex.

Also confirms that Dingodile in 4 is the "prime" version and not some alt like with alt-tawna.

>>724710875
>036F
>299M
Really on the goddamn nose.

>>724715453
I don't get it.
I get that Dingodile is a splicing of genes to create a monstrosity but is Catbat just venom

Big fat bat tats

Crash would be able to do this too if the retards didn't remove Tawna Bandicoot.

>>724706568 (OP)
Mario x Peach still a thing

Big Boobs = Big Profits

>This will sell our game

And it did.

>>724714494
>>724715937
>>724718169
>>724717049
Meds, aspie troon

Sonic Team: Be sure the cutscene has a nice shot of her ass. Million sales baby.

>>724718357
You'd be able to do this too if the retards didn't remove Tawna Bandicoot from the series.

>>724706941
Ah yes, removing a minor character who barely appeared in the first game, and giving her a different hairstyle in Crash 4 were the two worst decisions in the entire series. Clearly those were worse decisions than moving so far away from what the games originally were that it killed the franchise for a decade.

Just imagine, if you still had Tawna Bandicoot, you too could have a long running comic book.

Bat booty, official Sonic Team sanction bat booty.

>>724720086
Symptoms of the disease, the reason and thinking behind it is exactly why the series is now dead.

>>724720086
Whats with nu /v/ and using these weird twitter tier strawmans to dismiss entire arguments or downplay arguments

>>724720916
>>724720172
>>724718840
>>724718169
>>724717049
>>724715937
This is a fucking CRASH BANDICOOT thread you STUPID FUCK

>Artist: I drew art of Rouge in bathtub
>Sonic Team: You're hired!

The amount of official and semi-official art really does show that big boobs sell. The Crash Franchise chose death instead of giving people what they want.

>>724706568 (OP)
>hope of returning to the hearts and minds of the common man?
Its a childrens game, anon.

>>724721301
That's not official art. Last I check, official Coco was a flat ugly stick figure. You can't sell games with off-model fanart.

Not that it matters cause Coco never sold vidya games.

>"How did Crash Team Rumble fail? We released a sexy skin for our trans non-binary inclusive character."

Should've stuck with Tawna Bandicoot instead.

>>724706568 (OP)
Crash has no hope because he's not exactly a grandiose character. Then again we live in a world where stupid braincell killing characters like Spongebob and Minions are considered iconic. So maybe the mentally challenged bandicoot has a chance. But I'm simply not seeing it.

Crash is like the Ninja Turtles, he's a regular animal that got mutated into an anthro but the Ninja Turtles are meant to be kick ass. Crash is simply a mentally deficient looney cartoony character. Crash is honestly a difficult sell as a concept. Spyro and Sly and Ratchet have bigger chances to stay alive.

>>724707902
Sonic has an advantage in that Sonic was inspired by a combination of things like Unico and Dragon Ball which is Shonen Manga. Sonic tries to be serious in some respects. So that opens the door to many types of conflicts and set ups.

Crash is sadly inspired by cartoony things like Looney Tunes. Crash's gameplay may be called Sonic's Ass but Crash is truly to his core Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry style antics. And how much mileage can you truly get out of that? While it's true things like Spongebob became iconic despite being cartoony nonsense that's a fluke. Look at how dead Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry are. That is they still get media but how successful is it? Not much. That's Crash's dilemma. You can't do cartoony antics forever.

And while you can't do drama forever it allowed Sonic to last closing in to forty years of usage. And if a brand is "serious" it can also do campy things hence Sonic's sillier cartoons. But if a brand is outright cartoony fluff from the beginning it will never expand into getting more serious. This is why people mocked the story of Crash 4 About Time saying Crash was killed off in a different dimension. Crash gets killed in many ways and bounces back so its difficult to take that seriously.

do you think hiring some random indie studio to make a crash game like atari did with bubsy would go over well?

>>724722119
I don't even dislike Rumble's design but if they thought that was going to be enough to save an idea as wholly misguided as a crash themed MOBA they were truly huffing their own farts.

>>724713763
Don't celebrate Sonic's third movie, it lost against Disney's Mufasa of all things.

And Sonic's fourth movie is cursed with obvious Hollywood Feminism shit. The same poison that tarnished Tawna in About Time. You can detect the arrogant smug overly confident Girl Boss bullshit from the Sonic Movie 4 teaser. And since movie Sonic is not the cool chad but rather a beta lost little boy type character seeking a human family that's race mixed to adopt him? Yeah that movie is going to be painful.

>>724706629
Im actually optimistic for this, Netflix cant fuck up a show with animals as the characters. What are they going to do, race swap Crash?

>>724723235
>they give him a kiwi accent instead of an Australian one

>>724723235
Anthro animals aren't as popular as you may think. Recent films like Bad Guys 2 had weak box offices. Anthros aren't popular. Now regular Talking Animals like in the movie Ice Age those are popular.

>>724723115
>Don't celebrate Sonic's third movie
Read the spoiler bro

>>724706568 (OP)
Do you even WANT it to come back? Activision will just rape him some more. Nobody in those walls gets him. He's supposed to be all Looney Tunes fun but they would rather melodrama him with a side of identity politics.

>>724722931
>That is they still get media but how successful is it?
Exceptionally well. Looney Tunes is one particular area at Warner Bros that is CONSISTENTLY PROFITABLE. The merchandising revenue alone is massive. It's very much a case that just cause nobody talks about it doesn't mean its failing or bad.

Unfortunately, Crash Bandicoot is NOT Looney Tunes. He's inspired by them but that doesn't mean he is them. Looney Tunes not only lives but prospers as a diamond in American Culture. Crash was just a one time mascot of Sony whose been mismanaged into dirt.

>>724723358
I dont care if its popular I care If I like it. Also zootopia basically made a generation of furries that how well it did.

>>724723336
I mean, the jokes write themselves. As long as they remember their making Crash and not an "adult comedy" i think it will be fine. I dont expect it to become a franchise of a netflix show but I at least expect it to be ok and just be some extra content for Crash.

>>724712624
He's not ACfag, but I am. I'm glad your gooner content is being removed. Go watch porn if you want that so badly.

I LOVE MY WIFE MEGUMI!!!

>>724723548
>I dont care if its popular I care If I like it. Also zootopia basically made a generation of furries that how well it did.

I knew you were going to say that but Zootopia is a fluke. Every single anthro theatrical media has failed or under performed like Cats Don't Dance, Rango, Ratchet and Clank movie, Bad Guys 1, etc. Even successes like Space Jam are honestly quite weak all things considered.

Anthros have never been stellar money makers outside of flukes like the Ninja Turtles or Zootopia. And those are rare.

>>724712742
Eugh...

>>724723719
Sure, youre still defering to MONEY MAKER anon, I dont care how much money they made, I care if I liked it. There are games and movies I like that didnt make their money back anon, I do not defer to the creators bank account for if I enjoyed it.

>>724723016
How many indie studios specialize in 3d platforming? And how many can do the fast arcadey 2.5D platforming Crash is known for?

>>724706568 (OP)
>WHO WON THE LOTTERY? I DID!

>>724723537
The issue with Crash is that he was owned from the start by Universal a company that has nothing to do with gaming. They own the trademark similar to how Disney owns Kingdom Hearts BUT the company has nothing to do with gaming as such they don't care about how mismanaged the property becomes. Later Universal sold Crash and that led to complications. And it doesn't help Naughty Dog themselves didn't care about Crash once the founders of Naughty Dog left. That's where the generation of Druckman took over and he hates cartoony things like Crash and Jak & Daxter.

Crash really was nothing more than a For Hire contract affair so Naughty Dog also didn't care about Crash. So you got Universal and Naughty Dog not caring for Crash? Miracle he even has four solid games. And now Crash is owned by Microsoft who also doesn't care about integrity in gaming so Crash has a dark future.

>>724723358
Bad Guys looks mediocre to people. The real billion dollar+ movie will be Zootopia 2 and everyone knows it. Entire theatres will be full of furfags.

These comics feel so soulless and corporate. I can practically see the board room committee of out of touch business men writing them collaboratively.

>TFB: "See we have Tawna Bandicoot."
> Gamers: "That's not Tawna. That's your fat ugly OC dressed as Tawna."

You want to sell games, have sexy girls with thin hourglass figures and big boobs. If not, enjoy unemployment.

>>724722931
Crash was never fully Looney Tunes. Theres several moments and levels where theres actual gravity or severity in the plot of whats going on or even the sound and level design. Like one level has you go through a creepy generator room with numerous monitors displaying Cortex. Another is this forlorn jungle temple area. Hell even most of the humor is derived solely from the deaths while the plots revolve around mad scientists trying to take over the world and coming close to it. Even Crash Nitro Kart has an alien dictator threaten to destroy the Earth if the characters dont race and its not treated as a joke at all. If anything Crash started turning into a gag character with Twinsanity and the Radical games.

>>724722931
>Nigger deleted his post after finding out how powerful Looney Tunes really is.

Pathetic. Maybe if the Crash series didn't get rid of its Lola Bunny, it wouldn't be dead.

>>724724702
lolwut? This is like saying Looney Tunes is srs bzns because Marvin the Martian wants to blow up the Earth. Just because there are stakes doesn't mean that it's not comical. Hell even your example
>an alien dictator threaten to destroy the Earth if the characters dont race
Is on its face a ludicrous concept.

>>724724946
looney tunes was popular for decades before lola even existed, your argument makes no sense

>>724725181
She's been around for awhile in spirit. Not that you'd know or understand that. Crash wouldn't be dead if he didn't get rid of his Honey Bunny.

>>724725640
If theyre smart they will use both Tawnas, because how can you have nu Tawna with the Trophy girls, who of course, have to make an appearance.

Shit, make regular Tawna a bad guy, do it, have her be the general Cortex wanted.

>>724725640
you are just saying anything at this point

>>724718840
Tawna was ugly as fuck before, she looked like Goofy with a hank hill ass

>>724725769
Very easily, alt Tawna fits their vibe. She’s a tomboy like Ami, and looks like a lot of their alt skins in NF. She’s a great addition to the pile of bandibabes, I love every bandigal so far.

>"Hey, Terrance."
>"Yes, Phillip."
>"Why does the Sonic Franchise continue to live while the Crash Franchise died harder than a fat person with heart disease?"
>"I don't know, it's a mystery, Phillip."

>>724723794
if you name any genre that's mostly been neglected by AAA, there's usually a dedicated indie dev trying to recreate it
if nothing else they could literally just hire the same devs as the bubsy game

>>724726230
>posts character whose sexuality is actively being toned down in the latest games in the series

>>724726096
>>724726328
the only posts that actually read as real people and not lame obvious bait set up by a bot. I believe there are only like 10 crash fans at most.

All discussions of Tawna turn toxic in the end. Should have never removed her from the series. Should have never toned her down in the Nsane Trilogy. Should have never tried replacing her in 4.

And now the franchise is dead.

>>724724676
god i hate the faces they made for crash 4

>>724706941
The most interesting part of OG Tawna versus alt-universe Tawna is the rorshach test it inflicted.

>OG Tawna: loosely inspired by Jessica Rabbit, flat-out bimbo fetish anthro gag with huge fake boobs who is constantly in peril; the most beloved by classic fans and probably Zembillas himself; disappeared in the mid-2000s due to shame from the devs over putting their fetish in their game, which is abusive and shouldn't have happened

>Pirate Tawna: created 10 years after the feminist invasion of the video game space and GamerGate; absolutely no question about whether or not she is at risk of being considered """pozzed""" but dev intent unclear; appeals to a sister group of the fetish that caused OG Tawna; punk, tomboyish, same size gag, no overt activism, butt shots

>Some fans accuse non-fans who like her of being SJW posers
>Casuals accuse fans who like her of astroturf
>Non-fans who like her accuse fans of being le nerd-chuds
>Outsiders accuse game of being sexist for showing off dat booty
>Punk/tomboyfags who like her are now subjected to contempt from casuals (especially on 4chan), which compounds existing issues from past issues they've experienced related to the type of girl they crush on, pushing them to side with their enemies as a coping mechanism

>>724715937
Tawna is pretty low tier desu, they introduced way better girls since the first game lol

>>724706568 (OP)
>Has-Beendicoot
It's dead. It's been dead since the fucking 90s. But its fanase of glue-eating retards will remain convinced its thriving as long as its getting its usual 4th rate bargain bin releases.

>>724727035
>Nonsense cope

Except the Crash franchise is dead.

>>724721728
Please do not mock the crash fans. Having to live with themselves is punishment enough.

>>724727035
>fanbase has at most 12 people
>this weirdo made up an entire alter world where he argues with himself all day
Goddamn

>>724727364
If they'd actually fought for their Rouge the Bat instead bending over and taking Activision cock, their franchise wouldn't be dead.

>>724727657
Sonic is as dead as Crash in terms of quality releases. All these soillennial franchises are washed.

Bat tits, they keep your franchise going and going and going...

>>724723719
Bad Guys 1 did well, though.

>>724706568 (OP)
He never had the hearts. He was only PS's mascot for what, a year and a half?

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>>724727035
she has sex with human men and so does coco

>>724726096
Alt Tawna is a replacement, not "another bandibabe for the pile." The very idea she's an alternate Tawna is just a cope. They never intended to bring back the babe from Crash's universe. If not, why didn't she show up in the same game Alt Tawna was introduced into? It's an easy slam dunk for drama. Plus they wouldn't even need to model much more than her head (and a simple outfit for).

The simple fact is, they didn't want a feminine woman anywhere near their woke product.

>>724706568 (OP)
What is it that makes Coco so hot in this image? I can't figure it out but damn i have a boner.

>>724723235
black coded character, lesbian character, they/them character, what? you think because they are animals they cant use those? lmao

>>724732575
That's his girlfriend, not his sister.

>>724733017
Who’s to say Coco won’t up a bombshell when she’s older?

>>724723235
>Netflix cant fuck up a show with animals
Oh you innocent, naive child. If even Activision will introduce a trans-bat, just imagine what Netflix will do.

>>724733107
That's not the issue. You can theorize all you like about how Coco grows up, but do you not even know the other characters in this franchise?

>>724723490
As a big ass Crash Bandicoot fan since childhood. Fuck no! Let him stay fucking dead, I'd rather they just let the poor fuck rest at this point, every attempt at revival ends in failure

>>724733296
I see a hoe who left Crash for fuckin Pinstripe.

>>724733514
Not canon. I reject that shit.

>>724733296
Fucking hate how TFB tried to make Crash a twink.

>>724723235
>”Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment”

>>724725967
Even as a Punk and Tomboy guy, OG Tawna is objectively aesthetically better. She also wasn't created solely to appease weirdo politics-obsessed types.

>>724706568 (OP)
>returning
Crash never left the hearts and minds of the common man

They should remake these next. Both are good but flawed games, and Twinsanity is unfinished.

For me, it's panda girl.

>>724723235
Come on now

Honestly the fact that Crash and Spyro's social medias are active again bodes well for Toys For Bob's mystery project being that crossover they wanted to do

>>724736923
Still have no clue who she is, but what a qt.

>>724723490
CTR:NF was fun, but you are right otherwise. Looking at Crash 4 cutscenes was strange. It wasn't even the writing for me, but generally the style and animation. But yeah.
They don't get it.

>>724723235
>Crash voiced by Ryan Renolds (Who insists on being part of the script writing process)
>Coco is the real protagonist that gets everything done
>Cortex is now Mongolian so that his defeat appeals to China
>Lili (The panda girl) takes Pirate Tawna's role of being the girl boss helper from the sidelines, also to appeal to China
>Dingodile is now black with an australian accent
>Tiny usurps power from Cortex and says he's going to Make Animals Great Again, to which Cortex says that he didn't vote for him

>>724724702
>while the plots revolve around mad scientists trying to take over the world and coming close to it.
I usually don't comment when I feel second hand embarrassment, but come on. I think you want to just be right or haven't played the games in a while. It's basic ass plot. Nothing deep. I love Crash, and first game has amazing atmosphere. But it isn't some heavy hitting story and serious time. There is environmental storytelling and such, but that doesn't make meme Cortex face monitors in Generator Room spooky.
>Even Crash Nitro Kart has an alien dictator threaten to destroy the Earth if the characters dont race and its not treated as a joke at all
Please anon... Stop...
I hope this is a clanker post, it has to be...

>Noooooo she has a lesbian haircut I am literally being genocided

God I'm so tired of incel chuds.

>>724736923
>>724737598
Pretty sure that's World of Warcraft

>>724736923
for me, the possum girl.

Even Nintendo understood Boob = Sales

Crash would still be alive if Tawna Bandicoot was still around.

All they had to do was introduce OG Tawna alongside Alt Tawna so it wasn't perceived as 'replacing' her with a flimsy, Poochy's Home Planet excuse. We could have had two cakes.

nu-Tawna represents a few of the issues 4 had (shitty alternate characters, bad character redesigns, and awful writing) but she isn't WHY the game is bad. All of those issues apply to a bunch of things in that game, plus the issues with controls and level design
You people are putting way too much stock into original Tawna, she was a bit character in the first game and that's it. She's as relevant as the trophy girls were in CTR

>>724706568 (OP)
he would have made a triumphant return if he had been in smash, but alas it wasn't meant to be

I really don't get this "Crash 4 was bad" meme. Sure, it had some issues, but those mostly had to do with 100% completion. Level designs were excellent for the most part, and the gameplay and power ups were top notch.

>>724723490
>Nobody in those walls gets him
That’s the sad reality. Who cares if he comes back if the end result is still bad?
I don’t think Crash is a particularly complex series to get right, but he’s been trapped under some of the worst parent companies in existence his entire life from Universal>Vivendi>Activision to now Microsoft. Some teams cared a lot but lacked the time, resources or talent to execute their vision. Others were just talentless hacks who simply use Crash as a vehicle for their own ideas. We got lucky with Nitro Fueled but even that game had its share of bad choices. I still love the guy regardless even if the future isn’t looking too good.

>>724737598
Yaya Panda, she's in the racing games.

>>724743381
The 100% completion just amplifies problems the game has by forcing you to engage even more with it. The alternate character levels, the levels themselves often being 20-30 minutes long with few or no Uka masks, the hidden boxes, it's all things that just make what would be a great game worse than it should be. 100% just means you're going to suffer a lot more with the questionable design choices. Crash 4 might be the hardest game in the series but it's not the most fun to play because of it.