Thread 724785569

>Shadow's sales fell below even Mirage's 5 million copies.
>Yet Mirage was merely a 15-hour short game with production costs far below Shadow's.
Why is Ubisoft so obsessed with the sunk cost fallacy?
It persistently pours massive amounts of money into garbage games, inevitably leading to huge losses.

OK I guess

>>724785569 (OP)
I noticed that woke games with girlboss protagonist do better then woke games with black male protagonist.
Are feminist secretly racist?

>>724785569 (OP)
>No source, and the guy who posted it had to delete it because everyone was telling him he's an idiot.

wow, it's fucking nothin

>>724785569 (OP)
Mirage would have been cool if it had good gameplay and featured an all male assassine group like the first AC instead of the grandma assassine leader
she ruined the setting.
hopefully the Saudi DLC will put woman in their place

>>724785812
>retard is literally incapable of reading
wow, it's a faggot

>>724786414
post the source then

>>724785812
there's literally a source in the pic you dumb ass

>>724785569 (OP)
>Kotaku in action

>>724785780
Yes, did it only occur to you now? Why do you think so much western media has been trying to effectively castrate/neuter/feminize black male protagonists in an attempt to make them seem completely harmless and submissive? Because feminists fear strong black male role models. Why do you think that uncle tom ended up being Rey's joke sidekick in the disney star wars trilogy?

>>724785569 (OP)
>best stealth gameplay
>all they had to do was switch giganigger yasuke with satoshi suzuki or whatever
It's always incredible to see companies snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

>>724786713
they stopped using giganigger and started focusing on Naoe in promotional material but it didn't help

>copies
Ew, ugh
that's not a real measure of success.
What about the player count, huh???

>>724785569 (OP)
Were those boxed sales or "players" that rented it on Ubisoft+ for $15?

>ghost of yotei outsold shadows
theyre bored with yasuke and are trying to claim [new game] is a success now

>>724785569 (OP)
A screen cap of a reddit thread sourcing an article that is almost 2 years old.
Ass Creed Black Fag most definitely sold like shit, but be with the fucking times.

if you haven't noticed before, AC devs are weird cuckolds who now for several games keep adding their liberal idealism in. Muh historical accuracy for egypt and baghdad but then add bunch of women and black/brown ethnicities in Odyssey and AC Japan.

Man I just started Far Cry 6. Wow is it bad
>demands you give them personal information to start
Literally boots to main menu without an email
>story is a bunch of WOMEN fighting against fascism
Holy shit this is cringe, women cannot fight retards
>they put a bow on by embracing the cringe with Le Reddit Funny Meme animal companions
At least this is cute. Women from retardville love cute shit in places that don’t deserve it at all. Turns out the story is about saving your little teenager on the cover (wife’s wife’s son, not yours) from fascism! Did this sell well? Is this why there hasn’t been a Far Cry for the next gen yet? What a disgrace. It was spearheaded by the Chinese, clearly, as an asset flip

>>724787037
Apparently it's 40 quadrillion by now

>>724787170
Go woke get rich?

The agenda is more valuable than money now

>>724787170
please

>>724787170
>this game sold [bullshit numbers]
>well out game sold [bullshit numbers]
god I LOVE MARKETING

>>724785569 (OP)
>4 million copies is bad despite ubisoft reusing assets up the ass

this industry is fucked

>>724787436
Anyone else notice how similar shadows and yotei are? Both are nippon.

What was the budget again?

>>724787037
>What about the player count, huh???
The mighty 3 million!!!

>>724787869
over 100 million $ canadian tax money

>>724787723
Origins sold like 5 million, and then Valhalla and Odyssey sold like 20 million each
Its pretty bad, dont forget that ubisoft have released nothing but failures for the past 5 years and needed the assassin creed money to keep them afloat else the chinese take direct control

>>724785569 (OP)
The game is good, the stealth system is objectively the best in the series and the world design is clearly constructed around the system which is rare to see these days, the opposite being the most common. The parkour system has as well the best iteration of the nu-creeds and is the closest to Unity and Syndicate, even mogging some of the pre-Origins titles like AC3 or Rogue.
I am not even shitposting, the game is good and fun.
THE NIGGER HOWEVER ruins everything - he and his playstyle should not have been introduced at all. I don't even want a nippon counterpart to Naoe. A 2nd protag and an opposite playstyle to Naoe shouldn't have made it past the brainstorming phases. This let to the destruction of the narrative as well and the cracks through which the faggot agenda was put in-game.
Furthermore, the item/loot system is such a step back it's insane. It should have been like in Valhalla and Mirage - a fixed number of gear pieces that the player can in the end collect them all. However, I like it that they reduced the gear slots.
The season system is something I actually like because it has a concrete impact on Naoe's gameplay, which again should have been the only fucking gameplay.
They fired the dude that I am sure made the wrong decisions for this game, I am fr hopeful in the future, because if that guy was booted, every other bad-idea guy can gtfo.
The game is good. If only the decisions about it would not have been "outsourced".
Naoe a cute as well WHICH IS TOO FUCKING RARE.

>>724785569 (OP)
don't care either way.

>>724788069
such people are not fired chud, they fall upwards. probably at a different company with even a higher position now

>>724788069
Sounds like a game that satisfies no one.

>>724787869
>budget
>When pressed about AC Shadows' production costs and sales figures, Guillemot declined to provide any specific numbers, stating only that they "don't disclose production costs." He did, however, mention that Shadows cost over €100 million – around $116 million – to develop, market, and publish, but still, considering the rising costs of AAA games and the rumored budgets of some of the previous Ubisoft titles – looking at you, Skull and Bones with its alleged $650-850 million cost – it's clear the actual figure is far higher than 100 million euros.
I bet the real numbers are 300 to 400 million dollars.


https://80.lv/articles/assassin-s-creed-shadows-cost-ubisoft-over-eur100-million

>>724785812
>and the guy who posted it had to delete it because everyone was telling him he's an idiot.
on reddit? no way!

I only play chinese games

>>724785569 (OP)
hmmm

doubt

>>724787723
asscreed is also 40% off so you can take millions off from that number too, if you look at full price then it's maybe 3 million copies, maybe made 180-200 million total, on a budget of 300 million ...

>>724787170
GoY didn't even outsell GoT

>>724789206
It was initially released on other PC storefronts, including the Ubisoft Store and the Epic Games Store, as well as consoles, on October 5, 2023. The Steam version was released about a year later, on October 17, 2024.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

TRANNY

>>724789447
Cope and dilate while you get zutted.

>>724789521
better luck next time with your shitty jewish tricks tranny
>let me compare steam stats for two games, one that was released on steam and ubislop store at the same time, and one that was released on steam a year after the ubislop store release
KYS

>>724789323
was mirage even on steam at release?

>>724789642
nm >>724789447
I didn't scroll down before posting.

>>724789637
Your arab slop flopped, ahmed.

>>724789716
the retard tranny was just hoping that no one would google it, or remember that niggercreed was the first asscreed to get released on steam first lmao
>>724789731
probably, ubislop games are all trash, none of them have been a hit for years, but the gay nigger flopped and slopped harder than the sandnigger

>>724788069
+1000 ESG points

>>724789819
gay nigger was $70
sand nigger was $50

>>724787723
Shadows was in development long time since Oddysey released back in 2018 and its an Ubisoft title so they have insanely bloated headcount plus they outsource a lot. That game easily had over 200 million budget,reminder that just one 3 months delay added 20 million euro to its budget which Guilemot openly said and admitted during investors call, keep in mind that delay was polishing phase so majority of team moved to other projects and outsourcing companies did their jobs too at that point. This game needed to sell over 5 million copies full price to break even anon. According to Insomniacs leaked docs Spider Man 2 had to sell 8 million to break even due to budget and licensing fees lmao. Expectations for modern western AAA projects are geniuenly retarded.

>>724785569 (OP)
Well no use crying over spilled milk, crazy to imagine that if even one person in that company had been sane for more than a week we might've had an AC game that could've revived ubisoft

>>724789206
Mirage wasn't full price though. I remember buying it because it was only 30 bucks or something. Sadly it was shit.

>>724790414
>numbers i just made up
sure thing chud

no, bad google! delete this

>blacks in my nippon?! fuck you woke and their blackwashing history
meanwhile the history

>>724787723
That is bad, by ass creed standards that's abysmal. For comparison. The original asscreed sold over 8 million. That's despite the fact the original game came out over 10 years ago and far less people were playing video games then

>>724787723
BF6 credits is 30 minutes of scrolling names
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIlPPvfCs3E
It is crazy how inflated these companies are and how they are still making profits

>>724790937
die normalnigger

>>724787261
>wasting your time on slop

Gamers really are fucking stupid. Get your life together faggot

>>724791291
>ayy mayne, didju no blacks made da camera nearly 300 years b4 white ppl stole it from us and claimed it for dey own?

>>724786713
They should've put all their eggs on the Naoe basket and bait the weeb audience. There was no way this game could've failed unless they did as they did: intentionally fuck it up.

>>724792154
At least he's actually playing video games (you know the main subject of this board) unlike /vpol/

>>724790220
I'm sure they got at least 10k. Too fucking bad they didn't help in the real world.

>>724792329
And shoving a nigger cucking Nobunaga and carving up little Japanese people in a game didn't help Ubisoft escape bankruptcy.

>>724792238
> being proud of wasting your time

Lol
Lmao

Fucken NPCs everywhere.

>>724785569 (OP)
To be fair, with the skull and bones game they *NEEDED* to release it or else the government that gave them money would have sued them for far more money that they were given.

>>724785569 (OP)
thats still too many

>>724786690
now hear me
strong black female

asscreed can be saved just add a 7 foot tall ubermensch templar as the second character for their dumb witch game

>>724785780
feminists hate men. black, white, yellow it doesnt matter. biggest hatred is their hatred of trannies not because its bullshit thing but because its men trying to get into women power structure.

>>724793351
They'd do this and then make him jewish or some shit.

>>724787170
LISTEN UP HERE YOU CHUD VEGETABLES
YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT SALES NUMBERS
ITS SUCCESS

>>724785569 (OP)
>have the perfect setting
>have the perfect gameplay
>fucked it all up with a nigger
i can't fucking believe it. they could still have Yasuke, just let the man be a side character and focus on Naoe, yet they still fucked it up

>>724793862
>fucked it up.

wrong, it did what it suposed to do.

>>724787386
the game is less woke than both tsushima and shadows though, also tsushima was already pretty light on this shit

Feels like the incoming wuxia game of netease has better gameplay than this thing

>>724794189
>b-b-but technical-
The MC is abhorrently ugly. One of the ugliest Snoy creatura ever made. And that's the primary complaint when people talk about "woke".

Can you play through the game as just Naoe? I was gifted a copy by a friend who thought I still like the series a few weeks back and I genuinely have nothing better to do this week.

>>724794423
>Can you play through the game as just Naoe?
The game forces you to play as a nigger in the prologue.

>>724794624
Ok I can deal with playing as him for an hour. Is that it?

>>724794361
she's not even that ugly or annoying in the game, the insane they/them va and the games protagonist are not the same you know
unless you piss and shit yourself over every playable female character, then i can't help you

>>724785569 (OP)
Who would want to play a black samurai, except activists who reeeeee on social medias but actually don't buy games?

>>724794712
Pretty much, but you'll still have to put up with Yasuke popping up in the cutscenes.

>>724794817
>she's not even that ugly in the game
Yes she is. And her voice acting is somehow even worse.

>over every playable female character
nah I want cute girls

>>724794982
is there a "no niggers" mod?

>>724795047
>no niggers" mod?
Just don't play it.
The story in this game is terrible.

>>724795190
still wouldn't play it, I just wondered if there was a based person that "fixed" it and made the devs mad

It's amazing how the current West can't make black characters or games. They have to shoe-horn it can because they don't know how to just make an organic game with a black guy. If old AC back then made an AC with an original Black mc there would have been no issues. Take Adéwalé's dlc in 4. It was sick. You had him trying to balance his Assassin duties with the desire to help liberate people. The music payed homage to african music with real instruments and musicians. Compare to that to Shadows just merging hip hop with JP music. That itself is racist. As a black guy it's so tiring that only the East can makes darkies without it being stupid. If they do it it's because they have a cool design or idea. If the West does then it's for some fake good boy points.

>>724793862
They prioritized bullshit identity politics over everything. They deserve the hell they've created for themselves.
Ubisoft can burn.

>>724793862
Nobody would have batted an eye, if the samurai were just a Japanese dude.

Nigger worshipping leftists will shoehorn their deranged agenda into everything if you let them. Even if it means the destruction of corporations, downfall of nations or deterioration of their own well-being.

>>724788707
Didn’t this dude became a fugitive and is actually WANTED in Japan?

>>724788520
Minimum of 250 million If I had to bet, this shit was a flop and the reason why Tencen owns their assess now

>>724785569 (OP)
This could have been the easiest sell for an AC game of all time. Instead this is what they shat out.

>>724795693
Interestingly, Yasuke also appears in Japanese games and manga.
In Japanese authors' works, he is often portrayed with greater sophistication, and his character design shows more respect for African culture.
He is not just an annoying dei character.

>>724785569 (OP)
Is 4 million bad now?
Bloodborne sold 2 million copies in 6 months. Only improved later, once it hit the bargain bin.

>>724796351
It depends on the cost.
The cost of Phantom is around $50 million, and 5 million copies is a decent figure.
The cost of Shadow could be as high as $300 million.
After deducting store commissions and taxes, sales of 4 million copies wouldn't even break even.

>>724794982
I can deal with him being relegated to npc

>>724796351
From software games are famously made on very low budgets

>>724796246
same company behind both of those btw
i think nioh helped the trend a lot. nioh is about william adams so they wanted to do stories about foreigners in their land. yasuke is a logical fit there, and they involve spaniards among others. yasuke is always directly attached to nobunaga because that's all we know about him historically.

>>724791291
There are black chinks in real life. Only reason its not more widely known is because of racism.

>>724785569 (OP)
>Gaslight shareholders by keeping real numbers under wraps and sell them the "player engagement' narrative
So many heads will roll Ubisoft on the coming months

>>724795779
I doubt it went that far, but their government did issue a statement about the absurdity around the whole thing, and he did try scrubbing his social media and went into hiding. probably just hoping the fraud allegations would die down.

>>724796351
It is bad when the credits are 3 hours long and 30k people worked on the game

>shove pol down vidya's throat
>assume you're sticking it to the chuds
>be so insufferable and facetious you piss off the greater whole
Many such cases.

>>724786690
>feminists fear strong black male role models
black males also fear those it seems

never forget, people were asking for feudal japan ac for years, these dumb fucks finally do it 10 years too late and make a nigger the main protagonist, cannot make this shit up

>>724800182
to make matters worse there was the president of ubisoft talking about how they wouldn't changed anything after the trailers because the game was just too good as it is.
also bragged that the devs were saying even though it was the worst game they've seen it was only because they've never worked on another project before and it would all come together by release.

>>724801374
meant to just say wouldn't change

>>724801374
That includes stolen flags, copyright infringement with sword design, being able to destroy temples and then not being able to destroy temples, fruits and vegetables being grown out of season IN THE MOST REALISTIC GAME THEY CLAIM THEY EVER MADE, the Torii Gates fiasco, the beheading controversy, the gay scenes they had to change, the seven foot tall monkey has no stealth capacity in a game about your capacity for stealth, that you could kill randos without desynchronizing, and a bunch more I can't think of off the top of my head.

I guess it couldn't be helped that people never cared about Yasuke anyways.
Assassin's Creed in Japan was supposed to be a money printer too, DEI also proves to be the exception

>>724791291
Now I call bullshit. Kojima didn't invent the camera yet.

>>724794817
>she's not even that ugly

>>724787723
>>724796351
To be fair, the game:
>went through multiple game-spanning rewrites
>had to go through multiple extra rounds of marketing to both change the "vibe" of the game and to advertise changes
>had all of its' merch pulled at least once to be thrown away and replaced, like the broken torii gate one and anything that put too much focus on Yasuke, or that One Piece sword
>got delayed a bunch of times
>relied on a fuckload more damage control than most other games, which often isn't cheap
>had to do the "free shit for streamers and journalists" rounds several times
>had to change a huge chunk of the game to nerf Yasuke so he can't sneak, pull back his involvement/relevance in the plot, and make Naoe into an actual character rather than apparently just some side character you use for a few missions
That shit's expensive, and I'm willing to bet this is why they've been so dodgy when it comes to how much the game cost in the end.

>>724793862
Still would've been pretty based if Yasuke was a surprise in the game, where you meet him partway through as a shock to anyone that didn't know there was a black dude in Japan, and he's just a retainer, but maybe:
A. Since he's around so many powerful people, he's a huge source of intel on shit you need to know.
B. He observes a lot of combat, and can be used to buy and learn combat techniques that he secretly practices at night.
-or whatever else fits, I haven't played any AC game made after Black Flag.

>>724796246
Loved him in Nioh, that was pretty cool, foreigners having guardian spirits from their home land makes me tingle.

>4 million sold x $80
>320 million dollars
Supposedly the budget was 720 Million dollars with marketing.
No fucking wonder the stock tanked.

>>724801765
case studies a few hundred years from now are undoubtedly going to be very interesting.

>>724803724
what did that smile convey?

even worse, ubisoft spent 1.1 billion euros between it, outlaws and some smaller projects

>>724785569 (OP)
Go woke go broke

>>724803724
You're counting players, not units actually sold and NOT refunded. And how many of those players were given free keys in order to try to drum up business or were lumped in with bundles or gamepass? Or just straight up pirates once it was announced no DRM protections?

>>724797672
Ubisoft is already dead. They had to sell their soul to Tencent just to stay afloat.

>>724804316
>I forgot about the refunds, free keys, bundles, and gamepass
Oh fuck it's even worse than I thought.

>>724786713
It’s hard to believe that the owner(s) could be stupid enough to do what they did. There was no logic or rational reasoning to make yasuke the male character. It was the perfect setting (and I’m not even a fucking weeb) to be one of the biggest games in history and they had to go ruin it. I’m pissed off that they wasted the potential.

>>724804650
kim belair is very connected in montreal and hired a bunch of yes men including a woman from UBC who wrote historical books on how awesome it would be to be a feudal japanese preteen male prostitute

Outlaws is really the same thing, you get characters telling you they're gay for no reason and girlbosses everywhere. Woke companies make woke games no matter what.

>>724804807
>Woke companies make woke games no matter what.
because they get money for it from """other""" sources rather than where it should come from, that being paying customers

surprised mirage sold well, I skipped it because it just looked like a standalone DLC.

>>724804914
Sounds like bullshit. Proof?

>>724804491
It is. There's a reason why they've desperately been avoiding to give hard sales figures to anyone. When you're trying to bamboozle your SHAREHOLDERS during a call you know things are bad.

>>724804650
>logic or reasoning
“Our old players will play regardless, and we may hook a new market with this decision!”
Welcome to every DEI decision made, complete with underlings bobbling their heads because they have been taught that this is always a financially advantageous move.

>>724805027
I didn't know that the 5 million sold would include the 3 million players.
So in reality they probably on sold 2 million copies.
As anon said in this thread, he do you fuck up an AC game set in Japan with ninjas?

>>724786525
Are you retarded? Its in the pic

On the bright side it is still twice as much as Rebirth.

>>724805469
What's the budget of Rebirth?

>>724805027
>There's a reason why they've desperately been avoiding to give hard sales figures to anyone.
Not to defend Ubisoft because I also think Shadows flopped, but giving hard sales figures is hard/less meaningful nowadays when most AAA games are available as part of a sub

>>724804801
>including a woman from UBC who wrote historical books on how awesome it would be to be a feudal japanese preteen male prostitute
wtf how could my alma mater do this
not that I did an Arts degree lmao

>>724785569 (OP)
>only 4 million
That's 4 million more than I expected desu.

>>724793862
>have the perfect gameplay
had*
people wanted Assassin's Creed Japan when it was about parkour and stealth. people didn't ask for Witcher 3 Japan.
Ghost of Tsushima is closer but the setting is still mainly plains you navigate on horseback instead of parkouring.

>>724785569 (OP)
Do you ever get tired of posting your reddit account here?

>>724805650
It's very important when a shareholder directly asks you to and you bullshit around it.

>>724785812
It was probably op they always find these post that just so happen to be hours old every time
They do the same shit with Twitter screenshots

>>724785569 (OP)
That’s it? After all the hype?

>>724803724
>implying devs, even small indie companies (pls understand) get to keep 100% of the money
>implying Ubisoft wouldn't factor in refunds, free keys, and Ubisoft+ "sales" in the 4m

>>724804807
To be fair, most ESG/DEI stuff has to be super overt about it to get their investment money. Just trying to slip in a single character with a line of dialogue that implies they're LGBT wont get you a dime.

>>724805469
I still don't understand FF7R, nor do I understand why it would even sell a single copy.
>changes enough shit to piss off old fans
>too "anime" for most normalfags and possibly new (non-weeb) fans
>full-blown yellow paint shit everywhere, pissing off anyone with an IQ above 90
>split across multiple games, making it both harder to play and harder to follow, and it's probably going to go on long enough to span 3 gens, at the rate it's going
>not CUHRAAAAZY enough to pull in action fans
>not slow enough to pull in ATB/turn-based fans
>censored tits, pissing off purists, coomers and weebs

>>724805650
It's not hard for a dev/publisher to see income from being on a game sub like Game Pass, they have hard numbers they could quote, and they probably do include it in their overall sales figures.
Money made isn't the thing being muddied here, it's "copies sold" since you can't just say everyone that played it "bought" it, and that's why they have to cock it up and say "players". Plus the bigger number pleases shareholders.

>>724806004
the hype on /v was waiting for it to crash

>>724806319
Like I said, it's much worse than I thought.

>>724806329
Mods were shilling the game and even stickied the tread. This was before 4chan got hacked and shut down.

>>724806483
Grok your info is wrong, go ask Elon for a trip to the reeducation camp.

>>724806609
>G-G-Grok
Sorry, but the game flopped.

>>724805469
>turd-based fans are still coping and seething
kek

>how much dit it sell Guillemot
>3 MILLION PLAYERS
>not what I'm asking, what did it sell
>HIGHEST PLAYER ENGAGEMENT OF ANY ASSASSIN'S CREED
>Guillemot im getting tired of this how much did it sell
>SALES DONT MATTER LOOK AT THE ACTIVE PLAYER NUMBERS! DLC SALES WILL BE THROUGH THE ROOF
6 months later
>Okay it sold about 4 million, who cares i already sold to Tencent
This is a funny conclusion after all the damage control they ran

Can Saudis buy Ubisoft yet

>>724807147
strange way of winning when you just destroyed your company

>>724807338
Insider job. Get hired, short the stocks, get nothing done, or produce shit for long enough, company worth pennies on the dollar. Higher ups get golden parachuted out of harm's way, new big Bank roller buys their choice of IP. Venture capitalism is basically pre-bankruptcy cannibalism.