Thread 724789246

Halo fans that don't support Campaign Evolved could be the death of Halo Studios and the future of Halo. If this doesn't succeed then we will never see a Halo 2 and Halo 3 remake

>>724789246 (OP)
>death of 343 a second time
hell yeah

I think I'd rather have the MCC anyway

>>724789246 (OP)
Shitty Chud game

>>724789246 (OP)
At this point I'm convinced 343 is immortal

Any news on infinite 2? They promised 10 years of infinite 1 but they did not make even one expansion. One must assume they've been working on infinite 2 instead

>>724789830
After the battle royale

>>724789246 (OP)
Dunno what you're talking about, Halo ended in 2007

buncha fucking niggers in this thread

>>724789507
kek

>>724789246 (OP)
>If this doesn't succeed then we will never see a Halo 2 and Halo 3 remake
Well alright, shit is finally looking up

>>724789938
no it didn't, you fool

>>724789246 (OP)
>could be the death of Halo Studios
Oh fuck if only. I will not doubly hard not support it.

>>724790094
Then explain my tshirt dummy

>>724789830
There's a new Halo MP game in development (this one will surely succeed), but otherwise, that's it. Precisely zero people are invested in 343i's retarded storyline, that's why they're remaking CE. The next proper Halo game is going to throw everything Infinite did in the trash, the same way Infinite threw everything 5 did in the trash, the same way 5 threw everything 4 did in the trash, the same way 4 threw everything 3 did in the trash. Anyways why don't people like 343 Halo?

>>724790324
it says finish the fight. not end halo.

>>724789507
the DSP of gaming studios

>>724790327
>The next proper Halo game is going to throw everything Infinite did in the trash
Really doubt that. CE is just Infinite mechanics and art style ported backwards to Halo 1 for the new Playstation audience.

>>724790327
>Anyways why don't people like 343 Halo?
Bad story along with tons of retcons to pre-4 Halo's story, which is beloved by fans. Actually, pretty much everything is worse in 343 Halo, including level design, enemy design, visuals, music, characters, and everything else. Plus they keep trying to be CoD for some reason.

>>724789246 (OP)
No one wants this. Halo CE was great as is. Its already been remade and everyone who plays the remake uses the OG graphics.

How do you save the Halo franchise? Stealth horror where you play a stranded marine on a covenant ship. Maybe THE truth and reconciliation. Halo CE had glorious spooky vibes sneaking through that ship with all of its inhuman purple-pink rounded architecture. Imagine having to try to avoid elite patrols, you see jackals feasting on human prisoners, grunts are gibbering social morons who you get some comic relief from, but you still need to make sure they don't see you and raise the alarm.

The finale could be when the flood take over the ship and you have to rely on using the covenant as bait, get them murdered by the flood and then escape while they are all engaged. Eventually you escape only to see the Halo ring detonated.

Follow up could lean into playing a child /teenager on Earth during the covenant invasion. Fleeing with your parents in the night and trying to hide from the space ships as they descend. Trying to avoid hunting squads and seeing family and friends captured and killed. I really love the idea of having to hide in bushes and sneak through rubble to avoid the big purple space ships that are trying to find you; while their search lights beam down all around, and that humming sound they make strikes fear into your heart.

Halo would be absolutely amazing as a horror setting. The horror themes of the first game were great but it was obviously limited because we were the master freaking chief. With new characters; the true horror of the alien menace can be explored.

No more master chief. No more arbiter. No more saving the galaxy. No more 'higher stakes than ever'. Smaller self contained stories that give us a deeper appreciation of the setting and the capabilities and mindset of its inhabitants, particularly when seen through the eyes of someone who isn't an elite killing machine.

>>724789246 (OP)
Good

I hope it does fail. I'm tired of them ruining Halo. Its been ruined to the point that they might as well just bury it.

>>724789246 (OP)
I already wasn't gonna buy it, you don't need to convince me not to

Im sure this is a troll post, but this mentality is legitimately weird to me. Halo 1-Reach are fantastic games. We don't need Halo to be made forever. But if you look into "the community" they don't want "the franchise" to die. But so what if it does? How does that effect you. What if they turn off the slopmill. If anything it's a positive.

Im a big Silent Hill fan. Silent Hill 1-3 are fantastic games. And then there were some not so good ones for awhile, and then no games for 10 years. And it was good. I did not care one bit that we were getting 5/10 at the best of times games that were called Silent Hill anymore. And then Konami came back swinging with a bad mobile game you can't even watch anymore and a run from the monster experience about teen social media. Like is my life better now that the slopmill is fired back up? No not really.

It's just a mindset I can't wrap my head around.

>>724791820
They should remaster the game again the same way they did with Anniversary only this time make the Anniversary graphics actually properly reflect the original artstyle. This would be a far better re-release for Halo CE even if they don't include mutiplayer.

But that is the biggest problem with this. Its only the campaign. No multiplayer, seems not even firefight. What a fucking joke of a package this demake is.

>>724794741
people just want new games that arent shit or a complete fucking let down with teasing potential to be good (infinite)

>Piss off the Liberals by making light of Trump
>Piss off the neckbeards by being pajeetslop
WHAT THE FUCK is there plan?

if i see retarded COD tier spartan colours and customisation like cat ears one more fucking time, i’m gonna elbow strike an innocent person in the back of their fucking head

>>724789246 (OP)
Why should I support a company that has already made the statement that my support isn't good enough?

>>724789246 (OP)
Good, let it die rather than continue this defilement

>>724792063
This is a perfect comparison

>>724789246 (OP)
True halo fans have wished for its death as soon as 4 was revealed

>>724789246 (OP)
They need one more rename and then they’ll be good this time. Name it Spartan Locke studios after their greatest creation.

>>724789246 (OP)
Is this just the ultimate concession that 343 can't make games and all their 343 originals suck ass and everyone hates them?

>>724789246 (OP)
>Halo fans
They no longer matter in the whole grand scheme of things. It's PC PlayStation, and Switch players who will save Halo with their purchase of Halo Campaign Evolved. This is a non-issue. Worry about the multiplayer-only game, that's a guaranteed failure.

>>724794741
Halo could have died had they properly made MCC. The fact they botched the MCC so badly leaves a very bitter feeling for this franchise and who has been handling it. It feels very purposefully deliberate with the sabotage.

Good? I want a Halo Battlefront and an actual ODST spinoff

>>724799292
>and Switch

>>724799965
Microsoft already has the Switch 2 dev kits now, Halo Campaign Evolved will be on Switch 2 the year after.

>>724801581
tendies really scraping the bottom of the barrel now, sad

>>724789246 (OP)
Halo died with ODST, anon

>>724789246 (OP)
>It's the fault of the fans who we pushed away
Yeah sure thing retard lmao enjoy the job search when your entire studio shuts down, I hope you all get blacklisted from the industry and are never able to find work at any dev studio ever again.

>>724791820
>No one wants this
You're an echochamber, 3baby. Xbox is dead and so are most of the Xbots. PC, PlayStation, and Switch players are Halo's new audience.
>How do you save the Halo franchise?
This, spin-offs that don't star Chief aren't happening anymore due to low sales expectations while not representing what Halo is, Multiplayer is a bust because of competition mixed in with Microsoft owning half of that competition. Master Chief can only save Halo now, no Master Chief, no Halo.

>>724790704
This, if anything, the prequel levels may set some things up for post-Infinite Halo. Infinite didn't put Halo in a hellscape like Halo 5 did. Halo 5 killed the Reclaimer Saga so hard, Halo Studios been distancing themselves from Halo 4 and mostly Halo 5 since.

>>724789893
The battle royale was canned, this current MP-only game will not have battle royale.

>>724789246 (OP)
>If this doesn't succeed then we will never see a Halo 2 and Halo 3 remake

There already was a halo 2 remake. Halo 3 doesn't need a remake. Halo 2 remake is actually ok and not a shit show like the first halo remake. It really makes no difference if they keep remaking halo. Even I have a more or less niche interest in it because UE games can be converted to VR somewhat easily. But the performance will be so bad that I wouldn't be able to play them until years out anyway

>>724802572
Halo 3 needs a remake of some sort. The original game is butt ugly now

The one lone shill who is convinced that Halo will find a new audience is amusing to me, this place would have you believe that Halo is the worst FPS ever made in every possible metric, so what could it possibly do to attract this imaginary crowd?

>>724789246 (OP)
343 has done so much evil
it must end

>>724789246 (OP)
As a Halo fan I've been doing my part and not supporting 343 for a decade. Hopefully true fans kill them this time

>>724789246 (OP)
Just let it die.

>>724790327
You know, if bungie wanted to stop making halo games after 2 and they were ok with someone else making them, they shouldn't have tied up the main storyline with 3. Halo should've been episodic where it never reaches the conclusion. I always though halo 2 showed too much, but halo 3 reveals everything about the existing forefunner structures so there's nothing left. There was no honest way to keep halo going. It's like DBZ after they kill frieza. The rest of DBZ is just some guy with an even more powerful backstory than the prince of the universe showing up.

>>724802961
Theoretically Halo 2 could have dropped both the forerunners and the flood entirely, that plot thread could have ended with CE.

>>724801789
This is going to hurt to hear this, Xbot, but Phil Spencer pretty much hinted that Halo Campaign Evolved is coming to Switch 2 but not now because they got the dev kits late. Once Xbox games start coming out regularly for Switch 2, should expect them all to release at the same time day one. Xbox is dead. It's about time for you Xbots to realize that.

>>724802572
>There already was a halo 2 remake
And that remaster sucked like the original game.
>Halo 3 doesn't need a remake
Want to bet?

>>724792063
one day disney will realize star wars remained relevant through the prequel era cause of video games. probably 10 years from now when its far too late.

>>724803572
>halo 2 and its remake sucks
>I want them to remake halo 3

pick one

>>724802764
Change its archaic gameplay

>>724803456
>but Phil Spencer pretty much hinted that Halo Campaign Evolved is coming to Switch 2 but not now because they got the dev kits late.
source

>>724802961
>Halo should've been episodic where it never reaches the conclusion
That nearly killed Halo's campaign the first time they tried that crap with Halo 2, that's stupid, you make a game, you finish it.

>>724803756
I pick fully remaking both

>>724789246 (OP)
>if a remake of a game that was already perfect and didn't need a remake doesn't succeed we'll never get remakes of other games that are already perfect and don't need remakes
>also 343 dies
I'm not seeing a downside to this.

>>724803775
>Change its archaic gameplay
By doing?

>>724803807
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/xbox-boss-phil-spencer-reiterates-switch-2-support-im-a-big-believer-in-nintendo/
You should keep up with the news without others having to spoonfeed your newfag ass. You console is dying Xbot, you should be looking towards other ventures than your shitty dying green box becoming Windows.

>>724804082
Look at Halo Campaign Evolved

>>724802764
its interesting that halo has a thread up on /v/ at all times just because there is a shitty looking UE rehash that's the second CE rehash and microsoft has put out nothing but shit over 5 times in a row now. There is absolutely no hope but the game still has vibrant and animated discussion despite being worse than every PC boomer shooter. /v/ still talks about nudoom and HL3 I guess. But what about all those other games that are better than halo?

>>724804246
>your shitty dying green box becoming Windows.
how does this matter to a LinuxKING?

>>724789246 (OP)
They already remade Halo 1 and 2. Why the FUCK are they remaking Halo 1, AGAIN!? Just remake Halo 3 if you have to make another shitty remake.

Not too mention, just the campaign? Literally nobody cares about that shit bruh. People just pretend to care after playing through it once then spending hundred of hours on Multiplayer.

>>724804374
>and HL3
They finally released Half-Life 3?

>>724803956
Episodes aren't inherently cliffhangers at all. You should finish the movement in your story you started that episode around, like if halo 2 is about the covenant invasion of earth that should have a satisfying resolution. What did you want them to finish in halo 2? The prophets get capped and the galaxy is saved? If you wanted to end halo right there that would be perfect.

>>724804492
They remastered Halo 1 (badly). This is the first time it will be remade.

>>724789246 (OP)
created entirely by jeets and AI btw

>>724804374
Those other players are normal and moved on, Halo 3 faggots are glued to this franchise and won't get a life, they sound and act like trannies to the point I honestly think they're closet homos.

>>724804418
It doesn't, fuck Windows, LinuxKINGS, WE RIDING!

>>724804034
but they suck at remakes, the best of the remakes was still bad.

>>724803456
>but Phil Spencer pretty much hinted that Halo Campaign Evolved is coming to Switch 2 but not now because they got the dev kits late
Speaking as a consooming Switch 2 tendie, if I were Phil, I wouldn't bother. Thing's just going to be a watered-down shit remake of Combat Evolved with no multiplayer, which is about the only thing I'd consider playing, as I'd imagine would plenty of others, and even then, I think it's well-publicly documented by now how badly 343 fucked up even the series' multiplayer beyond the point of no return that even a 2026 Blood Gulch remaster couldn't save it, most likely.

If they could find a way to port the Xbox original with its OG graphics to Switch 2 instead, I feel like that'd do even better on a cost-analysis basis, because it's a legendary game that'd cost less to port, likely be selling for less price, and would most likely sell better in the span of a few months. It'd definitely save me the trouble of dusting off the 360 and phoning the gang up for a weekend of couch co-op, at least.

>>724804492
Demasters aren't remakes

>>724804685
>the games better than halo were so good the people who played them moved on and forgot about them

>>724789246 (OP)
I'm indifferent to Campaign Evolved.
I'll probably play through it once or twice and have a good time, but I'm more interested in whatever they're doing with Halo 7, and I don't like that
a) that game might be "delayed" by several more years because of Campaign Evolved coming first, and
b) how it might be MP-only, with the later Halo story threads and campaigns being completely abandoned and dropped and not even trying to soft reboot it again

>>724804618
They should have finished Halo 2's story, in Halo 2. In all honestly, it needed one more level, a Chief level and that would have saved it.

You can just play the Ruby Rebalanced mod and get a better remake

What are the chances they change 343 Guilty Spark's dialogue to fit their forerunners aren't human retcon

>>724804759
Switch 2 is curbstomping both Xbox and PlayStation, right now. It's retarded for Xbox to skip PC, PlayStation, or Switch now. It's better to stop releasing games on Xbox and just kill the worthless piece of shit. Why does Xbox even still exist?

>>724804772
>>724804621
Who cares? The point is that nobody asked for another Halo 1 remake thqt only remakes the campagin. People where asking for a Halo 3 remake becuase it's the beat Halo MP ever. It's still the most popular on MCC for a reason.

This just shows how out fo touch they are.

>>724804885
No one forgot about them, they just know they had their time. Halo CE and 2 fans understand this for Halo, 3babies don't. You're never getting your 2007 back.

>>724805042
100%, different universe from Bungie's

*campaign devolved

I honestly hate projects like this the most. Because they give you the illusions that you've "played Halo" after this. But you haven't. You played Halo Remake. Dead Space and Persona 3 Reload are also like this. Remakes that masquerade as "a version" of an old game, despite being a new game entirely.

I like Resident Evil 2 remake alot, because it is vastly different and unlike the original, which is more honest and a good game in its own right. So good it sort of inspired its own genre. I didn't enjoy Silent Hill 2 as much cuz it was kind of shit, but its still not pretending to be the original game. For all the hate it got the Goldeneye remake was fun as hell too. Call of Duty James Bond is a good time.

This whole line stradding "the game you know and love except all new and not like that at all" is so fucking stupid.

>>724804919
Yeah but specific, what was the end of halo 2's story they left out of the game? The ending of halo 3?

>>724805163
>Halo 3 remake becuase it's the beat Halo MP ever
lmao, 3babies, not even once

>>724789246 (OP)
Good, why would I want to play demakes made by talentless hacks who latched onto a dying franchise? Whats stopping me from playing the superior originals that I already own? You're trying to entice me with worse gameplay/graphics and no multiplayer kek

>>724805042
Guess they would have to do that in a Halo 3 remake, but I don't remember if or to what extent CE hinted at it

>>724805189
>Halo CE and 2 fans understand this for Halo

Why are we here in this thread if we've moved on from CE?

>>724805285
Did halo even address warthogs in deep water? Why dont they just become a shitty boat? That's what teslas do

>>724789246 (OP)
Master Chief Collection already exists, I'm fine

>>724805524
It does, it's coded in the game. Unfortunately it's never been witnessed, master chief falls to his death before the code can kick in

>>724805318
Unlike Halo 3, it was show don't tell. The Covenant begin their full invasion of Earth, the Ark is on Earth, the Flood come to Earth, everyone teams up to stop the Covenant and Flood, Arbiter has a boss fight with Truth, Arby kills Truth, Ark is stopped and begins to fall apart, Chief and Arbiter escape but Arbiter discovers that OH SHIT! Humans are Forerunners. War is over, everyone celebrates, Master Chief gets with Miranda, Arbiter decides to finish off what remains of the Covenant, Humanity will eventually become the Forerunners, again. The End.

>>724792063
This comparison never made sense because halo 4 was the game trying to be subversive not 5.

>>724805401
Who is "we", only 3babies stuck around and were the retards that lost their shit because they discovered something we knew happened as far back as 2011, that Frankie retconned the Human/Forerunner relationship on Microsoft's orders to make Microsoft's Halo post-Bungie. 3babies are and have always been retarded.

>>724805803
4 wasn't subversive, it just sucked
>>724805850
i think its time for your meds

>>724805689
>Master Chief gets with Miranda
You mean cortana?

>>724792063
I wish halo 2 was the ESB of halo I would've cared about the story

>>724805318
>>724805689
>the Flood come to Earth, everyone teams up to stop the Covenant and Flood

nope. cortana detonates In Amber Clad to destroy High Charity/Delta Halo. she dies an hero

why would zoomies care about halo when fortnite is right around the corner

>>724789246 (OP)
>If this doesn't succeed then we will never see a Halo 2 and Halo 3 remake
https://youtu.be/mzItS5BmUNw

>>724789246 (OP)
I don't want another Halo 1 remake.
I don't want to keep buying and playing the same games like I'm on some goddamn timeloop.

I want them to get some smart guys in a room and come up with a new game, and I mean a good game. A new classic. A game that is awesome and without woke bullshit. A cool game with manly men and hot women and a good story with characters I can give a fuck about, and I want it without the jews involved!!!!!!

>>724806331
wont ever happen for Halo unless Microsoft hands the franchise over to a different dev (never)

>>724806171
>return to earth and fuck my daughter thats an order

>>724806093
>i think its time for your meds
You should take yours, 3bitch

I'll probably buy it, when it's on sale, just to play Halo on Playstation which would be kind of cool. Otherwise I'm not that interested.

Halo, as a franchise, is simply dead and done. I don't like the direction they took the story of the 343 games and I'm not going to get invested / interested in this world because they have decimated the story and made it slop. They had no true direction to go after Halo 3, which was a conclusion to the human covenant war.

It's not like they don't have more stories they could tell, the Halo universe has plenty of space to build out prequels and battles / wars being fought between the humans and covenant if they so wanted. But the direction they went in with Halo 4 and beyond is just pitiful and uninteresting. They should have moved on from the Master Chief in some way, keeping him as the protagonist after 3 is just beating a dead horse over and over again.

>>724806171
Original storyboards had Chief getting with Miranda

>>724806184
That's cool, wish they went with that

I feel like the CE Shotgun is about to get raped super hard

>>724806093
Yeah it was. Making master chief an actual character with Le trauma instead a robot was clearly designed to subvert the original games

>>724805850
are the 3babies in the room with us right now

>>724806958
Yeah, they're all in the thread right now

>>724789246 (OP)
>only 1.2 milly views
incoming flop of the year

>>724789246 (OP)
THEY ALREADY DID A HALO 2 REMAKE

>>724789246 (OP)
H2A is fine as is, and H3's artstyle would get fucked by anything they do.

I would only accept an attempt at a H3 remake if they moved the level Cortana back to the end of FloodGate as the Covenant crashed ship interior as originally intended, and made a brand new level for Cortana featuring the original plans (using a Scarab to combat the Gravemind), and also did more with the Arbiter.

>>724792063
>Counts Halo Wars 1.
>Doesn't count Halo Wars 2.

>>724807757
Views don't mean much, it was at some Halo event over some big event.

>>724789246 (OP)
every 6 months there's 1 singular good /v/ post the rest is just worse than garbage-tier

>halo 2 but now it has no dual wielding, and the enemies are dumb like in reach and 4
>halo 3 with infinite brutes
Yeah, no, no.

>>724808552
Halo 2's AI was retarded, Elites no longer even dodge grenades anymore. Halo 3 Brutes are just crappy Elites, Infinite Brutes shit on Halo 3 Brutes.

>>724808170
Not that guy, but I always forget this game even exists. Really weird they never bothered putting it on Steam. Is it any good? Not an RTS guy but I liked Halo Wars 1.

>>724789246 (OP)
>If this doesn't succeed then we will never see a Halo 2 and Halo 3 remake
One can only hope

>>724789246 (OP)
They are trend chaser company. Nothing of value will be lost.

>Remake a game with meaty sounding ballistic weapons
>Don't have it sound meaty

>>724789246 (OP)
>wanting them to further desecrate halo

>>724810279
i'm still not even sure how the fuck you go from "iconic combat evolved magnum sound that even the first anniversary just tried to enhance", to "a 9mm pop gun"

>>724806743
They already put the 32 round AR instead of the 60 round mag, so yeah.

>>724791820
Imagine a horror game where you play as the Covenant trying to contain the Flood outbreak
So many new directions you could go but there's no creativity in anyone at 343

>>724810518
There are so many things you can do.
Sangheili Soulslike.

>>724810445
What they did to the Assault Rifle is also a disgrace. That shit sounded like it spewed hot lead originally and now it sounds like every other fucking assault rifle in other military games.

>>724809598
that would be the dream, for them to finally just let halo die
it's been so over for so long that there is no coming back

Why is there a poopdickschizo who hates Halo 3 now?

>>724810489
It's also reportedly the worst gun right now. You basically have to unload an entire magazine plus successive headshots to down an Elite. Meanwhile the Magnum is like 5 shots, 7 shots for Majors on Legendary.

>>724806743
Campaign Evolved is running on the Reach engine, so it'll probably be close to the Reach shotgun

>>724811060
I was going to say "No, it's running on Unreal", but then I remembered that they said Unreal more or less is going to be the physics and graphics while the game logic was going to be infinite (Which is in an unholy spaghetti of the changes to the blam engine).

>>724811010
It's the Reach version, that's why, they could either update the damage output or up the rounds.

>>724810518
Because Microsoft don't want it, 343 blew their load with their other failed attempts. Instead of making their own universe using characters from the Bungie universe and making it their own, they chose to try to toss out Bungie's characters because those retards went in this trying to remove all things Bungie instead of making Bungie's shit their own. Microsoft was fed up with it by Infinite and finally stepped in, now they're rightfully doing what Microsoft actually created them for, taking Bungie's stuff and making it their own, no more replacements. Why no spin-off focusing on other characters because Spartan Ops, all the Reclaimer Saga spin-offs, Halo 5's campaign, and Halo Infinite's MP story was such a failure that Microsoft put a bullet in it. Halo Content Creators can try to shill non-Chief stuff but when the numbers don't show, it ends up like their push the kill the Switch 2, in the dumbster fire like their opinions.

no multiplayer no buy

>>724811943
Multiplayer will not save your series, Halo's competition is CS2, BF, PUBG, AL, MR, Fortnite, Roblox, along with Microsoft own IPs, COD, OW, Minecraft, ESO, FO76, Microsoft barely sees value in Halo multiplayer, that's not a good sign. You Halofags better come up with a good reason why anyone should bother with a dated sci-fi shooter over modern military shooters and stylized shooters, because I can see Microsoft axing Halo multiplayer if Project Ekur dies in a week or month. They simply can't keep doing this and they even know it.

>>724805163
>People where asking for a Halo 3 remake becuase it's the beat Halo MP ever

its the most boring and brain dead multiplayer.

1 and 2 are fun in the MCC. im convinced 3 is propped up by socially pressure of nostalgia, like people that pretend to like the Beatles.

I wish that Halo MP focused more on the combined arms warfare and even experimented with asymetrical multiplayer.
Loved making Invasion mode maps in Reach.

>>724812450
That's all it is, every Halo multiplayer dies now, yet these dumb fucks keep asking for multiplayer as if 2007 is ever coming back. They need to make like their friends and get a life.

>>724812267
>Will not save your series
I don't really care lol. I don't have Microsoft stock. But there's no reason for me to buy this if it doesn't have multiplayer.

>>724789246 (OP)
The "future" of Halo doesn't interest me, and hasn't for a long time. I'm perfectly find being fond of my memories of full 16 player LANs and playing coop with my sister.

>>724812450
>>724812541
>>724810791

>>724789246 (OP)
It's going to sell a lot for the simple novelty of being the first Halo on Playstation. The real test will be the next one.

>>724812450
It is the best. Cry about it faggot. The issue is MCC is fucked beyond belief and 343 Tranny Industries never fixed it. They even added shitty Halo Online Maps to it, just to make it worse.

>>724809394
I played a bit of it when you could get Gamepass for cheap so I stomached through the Windows Store to download it.

I'd say its still pretty good. Campaign was fun, though I can't say I remember much of it other than the final mission.
In MP they diversified your choice of leader a bit more which is hard to keep track of all the different leader powers and passives you have now, and there is a 2nd resource of Power in addition to the Supplies, but casually its still on the simpler side for an RTS.

>>724812653
Microjeet has been trying to push "Halo 3 overrated actually????" for a while now. I don't know why the random Indian schizo is mad about it thoughever.

>>724812593
Halo multiplayer is done, Microsoft has no faith in it. Just give up on it, man. Shit hasn't been relevant since it lost against COD.

>>724812743
This, same for when it drops on Switch 2, good news is the Halo 2 and 3 remakes will be DLC for this game. Halo "7" campaign, that will be the real test. I have no faith in Project Ekur, the multiplayer-only game.

>>724812541

personally i want Halo 5 on pc. the weird behavior of fans around Halo 5 proved to me that the Halo fanbase was entirely full of shit and incapable of learning new things, either being to unskilled or old.
enough time has passed I think people that grew up around Apex Legends and Fortnite would find 5 to be calm and relaxing by comparison. While the Halo fanbase throws a fit that 60fps is to fast for their old eyes, and sprint makes them motion sick.

>>724813096
Halo 5 hate is for the campaign and campaign alone.

>>724813150
I also hate the skins and skin progression system.

>>724805396
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE4H7relFX8
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzHODDEncl4
And more.

>>724813150

thats not what ive seen

>>724813246
why they were so easy to unlock by simply playing? especially if you were playing Warzone, you pretty much had an endless supply of points, vehicles, and weapons to call in.

>>724813150
>Halo 5 hate is for the campaign and campaign alone
Shitty multipler that tried to be a CoD, Destiny and TitanFall wannabe.

>>724813584
And was better than all 3.
CoD was also trying to be Titanfall with blackops 3, but it sloppily implemented dashes and wallrunning.
Destiny, the game with no story and bullet sponge bosses, could say it stayed true to halo 3. Stand a football field away from an enemy and BR it to death for 20 minutes. that game was so boring, just like 3's campaign and multiplayer.
Titanfall 1 had more fluid movement but might have been to fast for players of that era.

>>724814395
Not him, but it doesn't matter. Problem with Halo is its sci-fi setting over modern military. Going Campaign-only is the first good decision Microsoft/Halo Studios made with the series. Halo can't compete anymore.

>>724814395
>"""better than all 3"""
>scroll down to the most popular xbox game right now
>battlefield 2042 at 184th place
>titanfall 2 at 187th place
>shitlo 5 at 191th place
HAHAHHAHAHA!

>>724815531
It's true Halo 5 is almost completely dead now (though I can usually still find a match in Warzone Firefight).
But this is in part because of how MS and 343 weirdly abandoned it, in a way that they haven't done with any other main series Halo
>no proper PC version
>no FPS Boost or 120fps Series console update
>no inclusion in MCC
>no ongoing live service support as MCC and Infinite are still getting
And not just the game's own core merits

>ruins the series
>gets depressed
>leaves

what the fuck was his problem?

>>724817212
Microsoft orders, he liked Marathon, wanted to add some lore in Halo but following Microsoft's guidelines to make it their own different from Bungie's. Bungie tapped out of Halo because Microsoft screwed up their lore plans in 2001 was done with the series and just didn't care by Halo 3.

>>724817212
Being a Microsoft stooge only to lose daddy Microsoft's support

>>724817697
then why did Destiny have god awful lore/story?

>>724818408
Oh that's an easy answer: Destiny's development was a mess and the story was restarted numerous times until the lead writer left. After that, Bungie was no longer bungie and now you have the Bungie that is making Marathon (extraction shooter).
There was going to be moth people!

>>724810518
Really cool idea. I can see a segment where master chief ruins things for you when he bulldozes through that leads to lots of death for your people. Would be interesting to see the otherside of chief's rampage, particularly as it pertains to incidentally helping the flood.

There are so many interesting things they could do with the IP. Same with stuff like star wars or world of warcraft. I cannot understand why every writer has to 'up the ante' and make 'an even bigger galactic threat', over and over, with the same few heroes coming back to save the day every time. If they could just focus on fleshing out the setting, showing new perspectives, showing unintended consequences from the actions of the heroes of the original stories; the setting would be so much richer, so much more alive.

>>724818408
Microsoft really burned Bungie out to the point that any lore created for Destiny got axed too which led to Joe Staten leaving Bungie for good. A shame.

>>724818408
Joseph Staten and Martin O'Donnell wrote Destiny.

The campaign was originally supposed to be like Halo with cool linear missions and good music but activision along with the new company bootlookers presumebly some of them from blizzard got together and complained that it wasn't MMO enough (Thats why theres so much go to x location in this part of the map and touch thing) which effectively forced Bungie to scrap entire parts of the game and move around story cinematics (Vault of Glass was supposed to be post launch content and Crota's End + Kings Fall was supposed to be like a final mission and a massive endgame raid) but Joseph Staten fucked off when he realized they created a disgusting monstrosity and didn't want to be associated with it and Martin O'Donnell tried to insight a protest within the company which eventually lead to him being escorted off the premises and sueing activision.

>>724794741
I think it's because people still have the tiniest hope that 343/Halo Studios might make a good game, if only by accident.
Plus, Halo still has a lot in the story that hasn't been explored yet. Like that one anon said, it'd be interesting to have a game take place from the perspective of a regular human, or even an entire covenant centric game. 343 won't do this because they have to have le mister chef, but some people are willing to huff the copium anyway.

>>724821549
incite* a protest

>>724789246 (OP)
GAYlo

>>724821549
Honestly, no matter which way you split it Bungie got fuuuucked. Microsoft screws them from the inside out for contract on Halo, they fuck off to keep doing their own thing under Activision, and then they get fucked from the inside out again to make what Activision wanted. And now I can imagine the Marathon game is effectively that whole mess again under Sony, considering the leaks and rumors of internal complaints from Bungie about a PvPvE extraction shooter not being their first choice of game.

There's basically nothing left anymore but a couple names they try to use to hype people up, and all the actual talent that made the good parts of Halo and Destiny are gone.

>>724789246 (OP)
yeah well it better be fucking perfect. sick and fucking tired
>b-but its just an alpha beta
>b-but they had development issues
>b-but their team had to crunch
yeah i dont give a shit, do your fucking job you jeet hiring cunts. im never spending money on SHIT any more

>>724805042
They'd have to re-record lines and I doubt they'd do that. I don't think the voice filter is in-engine, so they'd have a really hard time recreating that effect accurately.

Guilty Spark alludes to humans being forerunner a dozen times and calling MC a reclaimer half a dozen times. Maybe they'll try to spin reclaimer into their bullshit revision of being a special human.

>>724821789
it all started with don mattrick
first thing he did as ceo was try to assert his dominance and boss around bungie.
marty has clarified that odst was the breaking point for bungie and their relationship with microsoft. bungie wanted a campaign dlc for halo 3 (which was supposed to be an apology to fans who felt bamboozled by the halo 2 e3 demo and the whole earth not being the focal point of the game) and microsoft forced it as a standalone and increased the price tag to $60 (og price was $20)

>>724822971
They're going to rework that whole thing into their lore, they've had this lore set up for Chief since they created it in 2007 that was different from Bungie's lore regarding that. Bungie's lore didn't specifically mean Chief, Microsoft's lore is specifically Chief.

>>724821917
oh my SHIT i love fallout GOD

>>724807757
I looked it up and there's even horrible stutters in the official trailer lmao

>>724822971
>They'd have to re-record lines
AI voices are a thing

>>724824734
I was about to reply and say they wouldn't stoop that low, but honestly yeah they probably would.

What a shitty name

>>724789246 (OP)
>some people can't even play MCC right now
>mods doesn’t even show up in game
They are killing MCC so their AI slop can sell

The Halo redpill

>Eric Nylund and Joe Staten came up with most of Halo's lore that was actually interesting
>Bungie was really mad at Eric Nylund for changing Chief’s origins in the book. They originally wanted him to be a Mjolnir Cyborg like the player character in Marathon
>Halo CE was always intended to be a self-contained passion project
>Halo 2 was always intended to be Halo's end
>Max Hoberman was responsible for everything you like about H2/H3 multiplayer. Xbox Live, matchmaking, playlists, custom games, gametypes, Lockout and Zanzibar
>Ed Fries was going to walk out if MS didn't give Bungie an extra year of development for Halo 2
>Halo 3 was mostly just finishing what Bungie started with Halo 2
>Halo 3 ODST was always intended to be a short and sweet expansion pack to Halo 3 that added ODST campaign and Firefight. Don Mattrick wanted it to be a standalone, and Bungie fought to include the Halo 3 multiplayer disc with all maps on disc
>Jaime Griesemer leaving Reach's gameplay to Sage Merrill is what gave us armor abilities, sprint in Halo, reticle bloom
>Halo Reach was the true Alpha to Destiny's gameplay mechanics
>Reach's story doesn't make sense and Bungie had Eric Nylund write Halsey's journal to cope
>Frank O'Connor inserted Forerunner retcons into Halo 3's terminals behind Bungie's back
>Halo 4 was chasing COD instead of improving on what Jaime Griesemer and Max Hoberman designed in H2/H3
>Brian Reed is responsible for crashing Halo's lore into a ditch. Spartan Ops, Janus Key, Spartan Locke, Halo 5
>Halo 5 had the most balanced and polished gameplay since Halo CE thanks to Tom French

>>724827049
>Halo Reach was the true Alpha to Destiny's gameplay mechanics
That was always obvious and it wasn't fair to Halo fans

>>724805285
>Can’t suicide in the water
Unplayable

>>724826406
I was trying to do a Ruby Rebalanced run but now the game refuses to boot without EAC on, and thus mods don't show. Really pissing me off.

>>724827049
>Halo 2 was always intended to be Halo's end

What does always mean when it was a cliffhanger at release

>>724789246 (OP)
they nerfed base movement to justify sprint.

>>724791820
ODST side game that is just helldivers2

>>724828770
Basically at least a third of the game got cut. The Heretic Leader was supposed to fuck off to a nearby moon instead of shoot at the Arbiter to start his boss fight, and Tartarus would've been the one to kill the heretic right after the Arbiter seemed convinced to the latter's cause. Chief was going to not get captured after Regret's assassination, but instead keep fighting on to a confrontation with the Arbiter when Tartarus's betrayal would've sent them both to the Gravemind. And instead of just ending with Chief stuck in the middle of the Flood and Covenant war on High Charity, Chief was going to drop from orbit onto Earth, where the Covenant uncover the Ark which itself was near New Mombasa instead of just a giant warp to it in 3; the plot would've had Chief and Arby in one last push to kill Truth, with Arbie left with Guilty Spark and the revelation of the Forerunner being Humanity's direct ancestors, though the Flood weren't resolved in the storyboard drafts posted online.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lL6RYrYc4U
Forerunner Tank (though that was much earlier in development), Flood Juggernaut, Alpha Moon, The Ark, stencil shadow shaders, etc. A huge amount of Halo 2 was basically abandoned or cut for time because everything couldn't come together and the project needed a near-total reboot after their E3 demo. You got maybe 2/3rds or less of the intended game.

>>724829209
Is it base movement speed, or is it the levels being physically larger to accommodate sprint?

>>724828770
they didn't have time to finish the game, they had to ship a game by a set deadline, which was the last holiday season before the xbox 360 would launch.

>>724829709
that i do not know, but scaling up the maps to justify sprint would be even more shit.

>>724789246 (OP)
First of all, Halo is a franchise heavily dependent on hype and tons of advertising, not on quality or fanbase loyalty.
If Microsoft doesn't invest millions and millions in marketing, as it did during the original Xbox and Xbox 360 days, the Halo remake will flop.

>>724828770
The clifhanger only exists due to the cut content, the original ending was returning to earth to get to the ark, as instead of it being a portal it was the literal ark under new mobassa so the ending would of been back to earth, get to the ark, Arbiter kills Truth, and so forth, also ending on the reveal of a forerunner corpse is a human skeleton

>>724830160
ads everywhere. otherwise, it bombs

>>724828770
Remember all the disappointment over the Earth-focused marketing campaign, when Halo 2's actual campaign only had two Earth missions at the beginning?
That's because it was supposed to have an Earth-focused third act, and the marketing was somewhat detached from the pivots and cuts that the devs were making in order to avoid a delay

>>724804492
>Literally nobody cares about that shit bruh.
Halo 1 campaign turned Halo into a franchise, Most Halo players just come back once in a while to replay their favorite levels, nobody plays MP anymore

>>724830160
buy the dip

>>724822971
they've literally recording new lines so guilty spark can tell you the lore.

>>724830160
gaylo

>>724789246 (OP)
They had the option to port over the MCC. Instead they chose to give people some unreal 5 bullshit that doesn't even look like CE in art style.
343 might die a second death? So what, they've had the Halo IP longer than Bungie did, and they haven't made a single good fucking game.

>>724809127
Infinite was dogshit, barely better than 5

>>724830371
>>724830572
>>724830683
>>724830751
>>724830817
This is just a glimpse of the amount of brainwashing required for Halo games to sell.

Can't wait for the MTN Dew + Doritos Halo Campaign Evolved collaboration slopa

>>724789246 (OP)
Here is a picture of 343 emplyees. Most studios look like this now, explains why most games are complete shit

>>724789246 (OP)
> Sonyslop
No thanks, I will stick to MCC and Guardians thanks!

>>724795373
these faggots are so retarded and incompetent that instead of really doing a remaster they just add tons of noisy out of place details everywhere for the sake of it which destroyed the readability of your surroundings making you feel lost in a tapestry of shitty scifi textures, and then put warm light and flowers and sunsets everywhere because women and redditfags and faggots and jeets think a remaster means making everything look pretty and warm and inviting

>>724831941
This has been retconned, forerunner constructs don't rust

>>724830672
it's actually kind of funny when you realize the ark from >>724829413 is right outside the same city as the opening act, and the title screen of the game. so by all accounts, the title screen was actually always supposed to foreshadow the final battle grounds to a degree but it ended up being largely pointless

>>724831009
I'm guessing they are also porting MCC or Infinite to PS5, or some new Halo multiplayer game is coming fairly quickly after Campaign Evolved, it's just not announced yet.
Because yeah, it makes little sense to make a huge deal out of Halo arriving on PlayStation for the first time but to have no PvP or live service to try and hook them on

>>724829413
>>724830241
Oh I get it, it's called the ark and it's on earth because it's an actual ark that carried the forerunner survivors to earth, probably an explanation for earth's great flood myths and noah's ark. "The flood" was lost in translation as water.

Pretty cool, I don't know why they fucked that. I also never got the back story in general and how the forerunners didn't preserve any large fauna despite having giant facilities, or why they didn't just destroy the flood after making them if their only way to deal with them was exterminate life in a radius lightyears wide, what the fuck.

>>724789246 (OP)
>Halo fans that don't support Campaign Evolved could be the death of Halo Studios and the future of Halo
Good.

>>724789246 (OP)
>the death of Halo Studios and the future of Halo
good

>>724833105
Yeah, the forerunner = human stuff makes things make more sense from a human history and biblical standpoint.

>>724830241
>>724833105
Was Halo 3 well written?

>>724833940
not to be a recurring fag around these parts, but not particularly. "enough" to get the work done, but not enough to feel like it makes all that much sense at points, a very pointless arbiter, and focused more on the hype conclusion than it was the proper build-up to it.

>>724827049
>Bungie was really mad at Eric Nylund for changing Chief’s origins in the book. They originally wanted him to be a Mjolnir Cyborg like the player character in Marathon
this is so obvious too with the naming. Master chief was ALWAYS just a stand-in for the player. iirc he didn't even get the name John or callsign 117 until Halo 3, and that was probably because of the books.
>Master Chief
>MC
>Main Character

>>724829413
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lL6RYrYc4U
holy shit how did I not know of this. That is actually fucking wild.

Halo. It’s finished.

>>724834958
>>724829413
What are good changes that CE/H2 remakes should make?

>>724830371
>He came
HEH

>>724835016
Halo should have ended right then and there instead of having 2 shitty sequels with no atmosphere and worse gameplay, 2 spinoffs that lose the plot and the post Bungie SciFi slopfest games.

>>724830817
What does Zach look like now?

>>724789246 (OP)
Halo has been completely dead since 2012. It ended with Reach and Bungie leaving, 4 was shit and each game since has only gotten worse. It is well past time for 343 to die and this fanfic corpse to be put in its coffin.

>>724833940
Basically what >>724834486 said, but in comparison to everything 343 has done since then it might as well be considered great.

>>724789246 (OP)
>could be the death of Halo studios

Say no more. I'll be sure to never buy or play this.

343 either needs to put out quality or quantity (and then eventually one will be good). They aren’t doing either. So stop remaking games entirely and disband the studio. Send out mass invitations to devs everywhere even studios owned by PlayStation and Nintendo to make a halo game and see who bites. Approve everyone. Don’t vet them at all just let them make a game with a budget and timeline. Some games will be trash but some will be good. Give the good studios more license to make more games.

There Halo is saved. Waiting 5+ years for a shitty fanfic like 4, 5 and Infinite is unacceptable. There is no integrity so push out mass quantities of Halo.

>>724835058
Player 2 in co-op CE and 2 Chief levels should be a fem-Spartan.

>>724835058
While I don't like the idea of ANOTHER Halo 2 remake since Anniversary did a good job all things considered, at the same time if we're doing 1:1 so far like what Campaign Evolved seems to be? Really, the biggest thing is just an entire weapon and enemy rebalance with altered spawns, aggression and firing patterns. Halo 2 is enough on its own to carry so many modern design elements that really, it's more just unfucking the worst parts of its rushed design, than it is trying to reinvent it or anything.

As for CE, really it just needs the entire second half unfucked. New assets, new layouts, new designs, less backtracking through the same zones of the first half and more unique elements. THAT is the game that seriously can do with an actual rework for a good amount of it. But instead they're skullfucking a ton of extra stuff in there like more weapons from later games, so it fundamentally isn't going to be easily comparable if that gets peppered around more often.

>>724792063
i always found it interesting how similar rogue one and reach are

>>724789246 (OP)
Good. We don't need or want tranny UE5 slop remakes. The originals are perfect as is, and the MCC exists.

>>724835443
Halo doesn't need "saving", it needs to be retired and a new franchise with fresh ideas needs to take its place. There is no reason for there to be more Halo games, the series is a finished story after 3 and Reach brought it full circle.

>>724835961
How else do you write a prequel that leads directly into the first entry of a series while also having a cast of characters that were never mentioned before?

>>724831165
Here's the real picture

it looks exactly life infinite therefore its dead in the water

>>724836060
idk prometheus was different

>>724836178
Neither Prometheus nor Alien were about war.

>>724836250
i dont give a fuck

The Halo blackpill
>original Halo lore before Eric Nylund would have completely shitted on anything we ended up getting in 2001 to 343/HS
>Bungie's idea of making Master Chief a Mjolnir Cyborg was better than what we ended up with
>Halo CE being a passion project would have led to it truly becoming one of the greatest games of all time over being a divisive game it currently is
>Halo 2 would have been the end of Halo but handled better than it was
>Halo multiplayer would have crashed and burned and people would have fell in lore with the singleplayer
>Halo 2's development was screwed with or without Ed Fries
>The world would have been better without a Halo 3
>Series would be over and looked at fondly over being some dudebro series
>Halo would have died without becoming another generic COD copy
>Halo Reach wouldn't have been needed if there was never any Halo novels
>Halo using Marathon lore would have led to Frank O'Connor never being hired to work at Bungie
>Halo 4 wouldn't exist
>Brian Reed would have crashed and burned at Marvel and would have been another forgotten paper note
>There would be no Halo 5

Look within your heart, you know it's true

>>724792063
Perfect.

>>724789246 (OP)
>Halo fans that support 343 are responsible for killing halo
Fixed it for you

>>724789246 (OP)
I just need the MCC.

Jaime spitting truth

>We called it the Golden Tripod as early as Halo 2, but it was considered core to the experience from the start.

>Equipment was designed to be a modifier of one of the main three. Never to replace it. That’s why they didn’t do damage (and why other additions usually didn’t work.)

>Halo 2 development nearly killed me.

>Cortana's the villain? You don’t make a buddy cop movie where one of the buddies is the villain.

>After Halo 3 I didnt see any way to make changes without making the game worse. That’s why I moved on to Destiny. Let somebody else take a crack at it.

>This is literally why Halo 3 removed proximity voice. We couldn’t figure out how to prevent horrible experiences like this. Sorry things haven’t gotten better over the last decade…

>The Last Jedi was the Halo 5 of the Star Wars franchise.

>Pretty sure a -lot- of the additions to Reach were things that I had nixed over the years. That’s one of the main reasons I decided to move on to Destiny; Halo needed some new blood.

>The Arbiter was introduced precisely because the Chief couldn't have a character arc

I remember the moment it happened…
“Studio leadership has decided to make Destiny first person”
“But third person works great! Why?”
“It is projected to make more money.”
“Oh…”

>We made Halo first person because it was WAY more fun. Not because of sales projections.

>>724792063
Halo was always a B+ shooter wrapped up in an A++ marketing brand.

>>724836408
>That ghost
Absolutely disgusting, I'm glad they let you turn that shit off

>>724789246 (OP)
No, I just want another re-re-remaster on unreal engine 7, now THATS gonna be the real deal

>>724789246 (OP)
Can't they still support it with MCC? On another note, when's Killzone coming back?

>>724789246 (OP)
I don't want another remake. We already had remakes. I want a good, new HALO game.

>>724831067
We're talking about gameplay here, sugar tits. Bungie's Brutes always sucked.

>>724836612
>I don't want another remake. We already had remakes. I want a good, new HALO game.

We never had remakes

>>724833940
Halo stopped being well written the moment Microsoft shitted up Bungie's vision soon after they had purchased them. I wanted Marathon Halo.

>>724836428
>We called it the Golden Tripod as early as Halo 2, but it was considered core to the experience from the start.
Shouldn't have broke that with Reach
>Equipment was designed to be a modifier of one of the main three. Never to replace it. That’s why they didn’t do damage (and why other additions usually didn’t work.)
Equipment sucked
>Halo 2 development nearly killed me
It shows with Halo 3
>>Cortana's the villain? You don’t make a buddy cop movie where one of the buddies is the villain.
True, that was retarded
>After Halo 3 I didnt see any way to make changes without making the game worse. That’s why I moved on to Destiny. Let somebody else take a crack at it.
Halo was done with 3, 3turds should have known that instead of jumping into the series late.
>This is literally why Halo 3 removed proximity voice. We couldn’t figure out how to prevent horrible experiences like this. Sorry things haven’t gotten better over the last decade…
Thanks for making the game worse, you pussy
>The Last Jedi was the Halo 5 of the Star Wars franchise.
Halo 5 was the Metroid Other M of the Halo franchise
>Pretty sure a -lot- of the additions to Reach were things that I had nixed over the years. That’s one of the main reasons I decided to move on to Destiny; Halo needed some new blood.
Then stop bitching that Microsoft put new blood in Halo, grandpa
>The Arbiter was introduced precisely because the Chief couldn't have a character arc
Who even asked for this back in 2004, you nimrod?
>We made Halo first person because it was WAY more fun. Not because of sales projections.
Game honestly looked more fun in third person, final game felt like a downgrade.

Jaime spitting out bullshit

>>724836685
>Microsoft shitted up Bungie's vision soon after they had purchased them

QRD on this

>>724836494
Halo was a third-rate shooter on a third-rate console

>>724836428
>That’s why they didn’t do damage
Not only is that untrue, the ones that prevented damage were far more harmful to Halo's gameplay.

>>724837094
No, Halo was NOT Darkwatch.

>>724837065
The basic tl;dr is that Halo was supposed to be a hidden Marathon sequel, but then microsoft contracted the books and changed their plans.
Part of me is sad, but there is also a part of me that is glad because I like Staten and Nylund.

Where is Halo Wars 3

>>724837209
Oh and Halo being an RTS on the MAC was a thing.

>>724837065
Halo was originally either Marathon 4 or a Marathon spiritual successor with the lore for it being crazy. Everything was meant to be connected, this is why Halo had so many Marathon references. When Microsoft went against Bungie's back and had a prequel novel written, it completely screwed up their trajectory with Halo. If you noticed, Bungie seemed to just not care much about Halo even wanting to move on from it after Halo 1. Most of the team wanted a sequel so they went with it, but they were pretty tapped out by Halo 3.

>>724790641
Thats so fucking accurate holy shit lmao
Including the entitlement fame apologies begging
Wow

>>724837094
*fourth-rate console
FUCK!!!

>>724834958
>iirc he didn't even get the name John or callsign 117 until Halo 3
Halo 2 ends with him saying "This is Spartan 117, can anyone hear me, over"

>>724789246 (OP)
If third party is the future of Halo all I want is an Original Trilogy Collection with the original versions of CE, 2, and 3 with all its multiplayer and DLC on Switch. As for the remake I wish it more bad fortune than it already has. 343 needs to be fully snuffed from the industry.

>>724836612
uh no
fuck you
>t. john microsoft

>>724837259
Dead, HW2 flopped, in terms of singleplayer Halo, Microsoft no longer wants any non-Master Chief Halo games.

>>724837437
You're getting Campaign Evolved, Halo 2 remake, and Halo 3 remake on the Switch 2 and you're going to like it.

Microsoft owns so many FPS studios and keeps giving the same ones the Halo license. If we are to recycle Halo relentlessly trying to recapture the glory days, why not have any studio under their belt that is interested in making a Halo game make one?

Man when're the Gears of War games getting a collection

>>724805285
BOOOOO
BOOOOOOOOOO

>>724789246 (OP)
if Halo has to carve off parts of it's identity to survive, it's better off a memory. i don't wanna play Halo of Duty. hell, i haven't owned an Xbox console since the 360. the only reason i can still play Halo was El Dorito and then the MCC.

>>724837495
Microsoft created their lore for Halo in 2001, 2007, and 2011 respectfully, they don't want anyone screwing that up so, they have their own people on Halo to be assured that never happens. Basically, they don't want anyone else working on Halo.

I'm a huge Halo fan. In fact, Halo 1 is my favorite game in the series. But if there is no multiplayer I will not buy it.

Fuck off with this half-baked retard shit. Incompetent shit dev studio can't even fucking properly remake a game from 25 years ago.

>>724837491
Campaign Evolved is probably going to be a blurry sub-720p and/or 30fps mess on the Series S.
A Switch 2 version would probably be difficult, possibly not worth the development and optimization effort even if they technically could do it. Or they would be turning off UE5 features to the point that it looks jarringly ugly compared to all the other versions. An MCC port for Switch 2 would make a lot more sense

>>724789246 (OP)
>we can kill 343 if we work together
Alright. I'll try.
You retards really need to understand that sometimes dead is better. We still have CE - Reach. We still have the older novels.
Halo is dead. Stop fellating a corpse.

>>724837612
Yeah but Microsoft is not known as a company with "vision", they have always followed where the money is and 15 years of 343 is not where the money is.

>>724837845
>Campaign Evolved is probably going to be a blurry sub-720p and/or 30fps mess on the Series S.
They're not going to push it, if it's 60fps on Series X, it'll be 60fps on the Series S, Halo's no longer using budgets on the level of Halo Infinite, so when this comes to Switch 2, it'll either be at 30-40fps. They're never bringing back MCC, anon, it's time to give that up.
>asking for the MCC when Microsoft is in full make a profit mode

>>724837986
Microsoft has no vision, they just copy everyone else, everything Steve Jobs said about them is correct.

>>724838174
That's what I am saying, why are they bothering with trying to make sure no one else touches Halo when the people in charge of Halo torpedoed the franchise time and time again?

>>724838217
Stop asking questions

>>724838116
>no longer using budgets on the level of Halo Infinite
That bigger budget still produced a 30fps version of Infinite on base Xbox One, when it was 60 or above on everything else.
So there is a precedent for them settling for 30 on the least powerful platform

>>724838217
They gutted the leadership and replaced them with publishers who will lead development while third parties make it. They still want full control of Halo from an everything standpoint, but now they're too lazy to make themselves, basically the Windows strategy.

they could make halo 1 amazing if they actually made it more in depth, like they made e.g the hunters have a bit more mechanics to them, and made them truly alien. they could go more in detail with the grunts giving them extra dialog, weird personalities, gas masks or w/e they wear. they could a few new alien weapons, aswell as human ones

the graphics look ehhh, like in the right direction, but not good enough

its literally just a boring 1:1 remake with generic whatever engine everyone uses graphics update. sucks. get some original ideas you fags

OOH MY GOD, IT'S THE SAME GAME BUT WITH DIFFERENT GRAPHICS AND MECHANICS UNINTENTEDED BY THE CREATORS!
ONIONS FACE! POG! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!

>>724838489
This is for current gen though; next gen isn't until 2027 for them.

>>724838545
>and made them truly alien

what i mean by this is, when you zoom in on the orange hive minded alien crap, they could add more detail. like go into depth. the spikes and their armour etc. make stuff actually FEEL alien. you have the graphic power to do it

>>724838510
>they changed
Lmaoolooooooolllllll

>>724838609
with the library missions, they could make it truly ominious and atmospheric. actual cool stuff. they could make elites cool again

>>724838673
the mechanics of how like grunts would run away when an elite dies, things like that, they could add more of those sorts of mob mechanics. would make it truly fun. why are they not thinking about this sort of stuff, bunch of dumbasses

ANOTHER SHITTY UNREAL GAME. DO NOT REDEEM. I REPEAT DO NOT REDEEM. PLAY INFINITE, MCC, HALO 5 MULTIPLAYER AND FORGE MODE TO SUPPORT HALO. DO NOT REDEEM THE UNREAL HALO. DO NOT REDEEM SAR!

I wonder if they know Halo was made 20 years ago and was a finished game at the time of release, do they know that? Someone should tell them that.
Because they must not know the game is finished. Just a misunderstanding and they're putting all this work into it, so, kind of embarrassing.
"You can't make remakes?" It's not a remake. That would be a different game inspired and by Halo, remaking Halo. This is just Halo the Special Edition. Just like all the other times people take games and try to "update" them? And no one knows why? Why do they do it? Who knows.
What's the implication? Halo exists, did you know that. Is it more effort to port Halo to whatever the current Xbox is? It's easier to rebuild the game in a different engine and add crap to it than to port it? They added sprint? That's easier than not adding spinrt? Very confusing. I guess you just need to be totally retarded and stupid beyond belief to understand why someone would take someone else's work and just "here's the remastered update to replace that crappy old art I didn't make."

>>724838572
Infinite didn't really do anything to showcase the power of the Series consoles or give the impression that they were the lead platforms. It's a good looking 1440p/60fps game on One X, and at one point was probably intended to be 60fps on base Xbone too and not as compromised and downgraded from 5 as it ended up being on there

>>724838842
Gaylo fags finally kneeling to UT Chads.

>>724838930
>Why do they do it?

because the world has to keep being gay until jews summon the antichrist to "fulfill muh prophecy". the whole world is suffering because of stupid jews

>>724812901
>Just give up on it, man.
I have.

But a demake with no multiplayer means there's literally no reason for me to buy it. So I won't.

>>724838930
OOOH I understand, they made the graphics look "better" oooh my gosh, I understand. Oh, oh. it all makes sense now.
I could never play a game the way it was intended to look. What's next? I suppose you want me to watch black and white movies? Errmm, I don't think so.
"Well then don't watch it."
Hmph. What, I suppose you think they should make some sort of remake then? Like The Thing movies? Why would you remake The Thing? Squeeze me sauce, I think... I'll just have it colourised. hmphmphmpmh. I GET PAID TO WORK AT A VIDEO GAME COM{PANY HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Actually kill yourself. You sick ugly disgusting person, they hate humanity, hate art, hate games, worst people on earth. The same level as people who decided to make translations their own. "I think I'll just take your work and hpmh hpmh, make it my own, you did pretty good but, needs a little updating friendo, and me the talentless hack piece of crap is up for the job"

>>724839190
Multiplayer would die in a week, waste of resources.

>>724838545
It isn't literally 1:1 - but its close enough that its just really confusing just what they are going for.

It just pisses off the purists with the tweaks and changes, while everyone else just sees the same level layouts so there is nothing interesting about any of those changes for them.

>>724839276
MCC is still active.

And also a Halo 1 Demake with no multiplayer is a waste of resources. So kind of a moot point.

>>724833940
Halo 3's story is overhated. It is a definite downgrade to 2 but reddit is trying to make it 343 tier since they can't defend the nu-trilogy on its own merits and have to try and tear down the classics however they can.

>>724839354
>MCC is still active
It barely has any players, it doesn't compete with the top dogs

It's so disguising, it's so horrible. Not only do you ruin the visuals of the game, but even adding sprint and who knows whatever mechanics. These people have zero respect, you have to have zero respect for a game to do this. They should add lootboxes. The boldness to not just ruin someone's game, but announce it so loudly?
Bungie was really good at polishing their games by time they released them. There's nothing to fix or change in any way. Make a new game if you want. I hope they all suffer, I hope the whole company goes under, every single name on the credit list for this abomination, this should be the evidence that all those people should never be allowed to work in this industry ever again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOHXjgEY_RQ

These are not remakes OP, and yeah I hope Halo is never allowed to be touched ever again.

>>724839870
They did make new games, three times, and none of them were Halo, now someone else is remaking Halo so they can be the new devs of Halo while Halo Studios just leads it. This is better than whatever the hell they were doing for Halo 4-Infinite. If you can't make Halo right, learn from experience by remaking REAL Halo games.

>>724838842
There's a chance the move to Unreal Engine will have been worth it if they manage to deliver a feature-complete "Halo 7" at launch, instead of having tons of missing features which gradually trickle in months/years later while the players lose interest and trickle away. That's supposed to be the reason for the change, to ease and speed up development.
This is extremely optimistic of course. I won't bat an eyelash if it looks pretty but is an incomplete mess out of the gate yet again

>>724839870
you VILL enjoy ze woke game made by female devs with diversity hires and outsourced indian programmers assisted by a.i

you VILL be excited about ze generic unreal engine every dev uses zese days zat makes everything feel ze same

you VILL be excited about gameplay zat "barely passes" and does the bare minimum to be called a game that might aswell have been created by an a.i

you VILL enjoy monotonous safe decisions focused on profit no matter how bland it is!

and YOU VILL be happy

>>724839795
If you say so. I never have trouble getting a game at least.

But yeah no reason to buy the demake without multiplayer. So I won't.

>>724840176
it’s going to be forgettable unreal engine 5 game #73692 with forgettable unreal art style

>>724840176
Starting with Campaign Evolved, as the name suggests, Halo singleplayers and multiplayer are separate games now.

>>724840483
The engine doesn't dictate the art style.
>Jusant
>Hellblade 2
>Robocop: Rogue City
These all use UE5 but look very distinct from one another.

>>724840539
They would be better off ditching the story at this point.
343 halo was a failure. having that dogshit story attached to the game is just giving people jobs who shouldnt be employed at that company

focusing all their resources on recreating CE, 2, 3 should be a priority so they can just pump ONE multiplayer with all those gametypes, maps, weapons, equipment, vehicles and abilities into it and call it a day kind of like MCC but without having to swap between actual games.

Think about the process to adding sprint. The game doesn't have sprint, it could have but doesn't. So I'm going to just add it? Why not add double jump? And from what I've seen they redid structures that now ruin the actual lore assco-- I don't know I saw one ShreddedNerd video about this.

If this was just a fan mod, sure. But these are the official bearers of Halo? These are "game developers", they don't give a crap about Halo.
"You thought the MCC was bad, you don't even KNOW what were capable of!"
I'm so sick of people just "Let me just make your art better there buddy boy. I'm remastering what you did, heh, nothing personal."

>>724841067
active reloads and a cover system would be cool too

>>724840969
>and call it a day
Thinking MS won't want any more Halo to be made after a remake of 3 is not a reasonable expectation

>>724840705
you VILL enjoy ze bright soft color palette with feminine colors designed to make you docile and more subservient to jews, and make you troon out in the future

you VILL enjoy your favorite game having its dead corpse raped for remake #4809435840

you VILL enjoy having a brown character, an asian character, a queer character, a handicapped character for diverse representation not relevant to the story, but "just because"

you VILL enjoy getting either a silly game you cant take seriously, or a sweaty esports game, but nothing ever balanced or inbetween

you VILL enjoy no new original or creative ideas, only ever safe and inoffensive ones suitable for all genders, all ethnicities, all religions of all creeds, and all backgrounds

you VILL enjoy newer game design, which focuses on making ou addicted by taking advantage of how your brain is wired, to become enslaved (like gambling), rather than genuinely enjoying it because of creativity and genuine good game design

you VILL enjoy ze non nonsensical plots with schizo pacing, where nothing in ze story is zerious, or ze zerious moments are ruined (vee dont want you to zink ze world is a dangzerous place!)

you VILL enjoy ze same generic menus and windows in every single game

you VILL enjoy ze microtransactions and 50 DLC that cost 49.99 each!

you VILL need to buy ze 8TB hdd to fit ze gaemz

and YOU VILL be happy

>>724841403
So? The engine still doesn't dictate the art style. I am correct about this, you are incorrect.

>>724841403
lmao, this is the type of retard who thinks dinosaurs with feathers are a Chinese conspiracy to turn the kids trans

>>724841487
you VILL be ze DND s--0y pretentious neckbeard who plays CRPG's, owns a nintendo switch and vehemently defends modern leftist politics in modern games

>>724841268
whats wrong with this plan? They start with CE (2026) > Halo 2 (2029) > Halo 3 (2032)
that's 9 years of games right there. And they wont have to remake any multiplayer, they can just go the warzone route so when H2R drops they grab all its maps and new assets and throw them into the standalone multiplayer to keep it revitalized.
it makes no sense to have 3 multiplayer when you can grab all of halo 1-3 and throw them into one massive remake multiplayer.

I actually bought MCC then refunded it an hour later
So you're not getting my money

>>724841696
So? The engine still doesn't dictate a game's art style. I am still correct about this and you are still incorrect

>>724840969
Halo can't compete anymore, you're about to find that out the hard way in 2027. Halo is going against CS2, COD, BF, OW, MR, ESO, FO76, Fortnite, AL, PUBG, Minecraft, Roblox, and Microsoft's disinterests, good luck with that. The 2027 multiplayer Halo game will be the last one you'll ever see. Have a nice 1-2 years before Microsoft cuts it off permanently.

>>724841848
>you're about to find that out the hard way in 2027
I'm not an investor and I haven't been interested in the series for like 10 years. Why would this demake flopping affect me?

>>724841848
I think you're underestimating Halo Infinite here. It's not a raving success by any means, but people buy those cosmetics up despite the pricing, and you can almost always find matches. Even despite being on only PC and Xbox, it's actually kind of scary how the game is still a silent success, but 343 wanted to wash their hands of it because it was so horrifically mismanaged and Microsoft's contractor policies ruined its development, that they can't actually grow it at all, dooming it in the cradle.

>>724789246 (OP)
Oh no won’t somebody think of the poor remakes!?

>>724840705
To talented people yes. It’s a platform. 343 is not talented. They have no vision and no unique style. They follow trends and rely on contractors from all over the world to do their work and to simplify everything they are generic. Look at CEmake. And remove the HUD. Even with enemies on screen I don’t recognize it as Halo at all. It looks like any forgettable Unreal title

>>724841896
Pooskins on this website think everyone else is as invested in their salesfagging discord drama as they are. Ignore them.

>>724841896
The remake isn't the part of Halo that's flopping, MP tardo, Halo about to go the way of id Software, no more MP, baby. The death of Arena shooters was the worst thing to happen to Halo.

>>724810518
Nobody wants to play as a grimace you faggot

>>724818408
Destiny actually has great lore outside the game itself but terribly story writing because the lore was written by contract writers

>>724842010
>no more MP
I haven't played Halo multiplayer since like 2012 lol.

>>724842086
>Grimace
Is this new zoomer lingo? Haven't heard this one before. Like the McDonald's mascot?

>>724841712
A lot of player fatigue and disappointment will set in and turn people away if they realize Halo is doing nothing but remaking itself instead of doing anything truly new.
If the multiplayer is just supposed to be CE + 2 + 3 mashed together, then it limits the capacity to trend chase and appeal to fans of other modern shooters, OR it's CE/2/3 content with things like sprint and ADS added, which is seen as ruining the classic formula and appeals to almost no one

>>724841960
Halo's like Arena shooters, it's setting and gameplay pushes everyone away. Doesn't matter if it copies, it's no longer the trend game, it was always going to be beaten by games that are more artistic and modern military simulator shooters. Everyone with a brain as stated multiple times, Halo's multiplayer is a product of its time, it cannot be replicated, it cannot survive. Halo MP tried to adapt and still died. The worst thing to happen to the series is the parent company losing faith in its multiplayer. Microsoft no longer has faith in it. I wouldn't even be surprised if Microsoft pulls the plug on it at any time given that they're looking into the short term over long term, but in Halo's case, not even long term planning can save the multiplayer. Infinite was the series last time to shine and it flubbed itself, it's over.

>>724794741
>and then no games for 10 years
well you were still talking about how good silent hill 1-3 were during all those years and indirectly imprinting this ip in the normiesphere so by the time the slopmill is fired back up, the slop served is not for you but the normies who had it imprinted in their mind that "silent hill" ip is "good"

>>724789246 (OP)
>the death of Halo Studios

>>724842209
Not him but adapting couldn't even save Halo MP, it's pretty much over because the multiplayer appeals to no one. Only singleplayer can save Halo because of lore, that's it.

>>724806183
this

you VILL enjoy ze almost non existent soundtrack in every game these days, or some generic classical orchestra OST wall of sound that has no memorable melody and barely zets ze mood

you VILL enjoy ze multiplayer and matchmaking in games WE APPROVE, and WE APPROVE of diverse multi ethnic, religious, feminist esports type games like ze league of legends, fortnite, overwatch etc. you VILL play zat, but ze halo MCC white mans game?? No no no, NO CHAT FOR YOU RACIST

you VILL enjoy ze bots and censorship in multiplayer and online games and ze lovely solipsist atmosphere because we must silence all evil political opinionz!

>>724842291
They’ll just rebrand to 2401 Penitent Tangent

>>724840281
>>724841403
>>724842427

its just nostalgia boomer, i will enjoy those things

>>724809394
>Is it any good?
its surprisingly good for an rts designed for consoles/controller.
its not a good rts when stacked up against pc rts mind you(but neither is 1)
it looks really good and they nail the aesthetic(the 343 halo aesthetic that is) better than the main games did.
also the multiplayer works on a card based system which is actually pretty fun

it also tells the banished story better than halo infinite.

and yeh it should 100% be on steam(same as halo 5 regardless of how much a steaming pile of shit it is.)

>>724842227
It definitely feels bleak right now if you’re someone who grew up in the Halo golden age. But there are a few things worth untangling in what you said:

Some points you're right about

Halo’s classic arena formula is not the mainstream trend anymore.
COD/Battle Royale/tactical mil-sim styles dominate modern shooter tastes.

Microsoft mishandled long-term multiplayer investment.
Infinite launched strong mechanically but flubbed content cadence, live-service structure, and communication.

Halo can't just “copy trends” and win — when it tries to become COD/Battlefield-lite, it loses what made it special and still fails to compete with the giants in that space.

Those are real structural issues. No argument there.

But where your argument overreaches

“Halo MP cannot survive, cannot be replicated, it’s over”

Arena shooters don’t dominate anymore, yeah — but niche is not dead.
Quake Champions, Splitgate's burst popularity, and even Arena-flavored modes in Doom Eternal & Modern Warfare show arena-style ideas still hit when done right.

Halo isn’t dead because the genre is impossible. It’s suffering because:

Infinite launched without the live-service backbone its model needed

The content drip was unbearably slow

Forge, the best part, came too late to save momentum

The brand messaging is confused: nostalgia vs competition vs modernization

That’s management and positioning failure, not genre impossibility.

Halo's real identity crisis

Halo has three audiences that Microsoft keeps trying to please simultaneously:

Audience Wants Problem
Classic fans Arena, skill sandbox, LAN energy, custom games They feel betrayed by modern shifts
Modern shooter fans Progression, cosmetics, FOMO rhythms, faster drip Infinite failed to deliver the live-service loop
Casual mainstream Campaign spectacle, co-op fun Infinite delayed core co-op features

>>724842147
Elites have been called grimaces since CE kid

>>724789246 (OP)
Good. The demake cult needs to end. Halo needs to die rather than continue to exist in this degenerated state.

>>724842451
and i wish death upon that too

>>724842724
>If you don't know me and my friend's autistic in-joke from when we were 12 then you're a kid
=p

>>724842323
Infinite has enough appeal that it has stayed alive and been supported for 4 years. It's not at the top of the charts but it's doing ok.
I believe it could have done and persisted better if it was seen as feature-complete at launch, as Bungie's games were, instead of launching with only like 4 playlists and too few maps and no Forge and no Firefight and no long term progression system, and so on

>>724842619
>Quake Champions, Splitgate's burst popularity, and even Arena-flavored modes in Doom Eternal & Modern Warfare show arena-style ideas still hit when done right.
These are all dead though and died in a very short amount of time
>Infinite launched without the live-service backbone its model needed
Other games launched around the same time as Infinite in worse states than Infinite and they all recovered, people just don't care for a sci-fi setting
>The content drip was unbearably slow
Halo 5 had better content drip and still got its shit pushed in hard

Halo's only real reason for living was being an Xbox exclusive, but now even that's dead and buried. Halo's MP will not survive. It'll be popular for a week before people tire of it pretty quickly. Sweaty compfags will make things worse. There's a huge trend going on where negative social media opinions boost sales while positive social media opinion lower them. People are starting to understand how grifting shills work and are no longer listening to them because they're finding them annoying. These same people hating on the remake will positively shill the multiplayer. I'm prepare for the fall out these guys will receive when it dies like Infinite despite having significantly better content drip.

>>724843023
I get where you’re coming from — this isn't the usual “Halo can come back!” hopium thread. You're looking at market behavior, genre trajectory, and audience culture, and concluding there’s no viable space left. That’s a legitimate angle, not blind cynicism.

But let’s engage it properly, point-by-point.

>Splitgate / Quake Champs / Doom arena modes died — that proves the genre is dead

They didn’t die because arena is dead — they died because:

No sustained content pipeline

No cross-platform backbone (early period)

Weak progression loops

Poor marketing consistency

No cultural foothold to pull casuals in

Arena structure isn’t the issue — games today live or die on ecosystem gravity, not raw style.

Small-pool arena games die because only giants can support niche PvP structures long-term.

Halo could have been one of those giants, but mismanaged itself into being neither niche cult nor mainstream titan.

That’s a failure of execution and identity, not genre impossibility.

>Other games launched in worse states than Infinite and recovered

Yes — and every one had things Halo lacked:

Game What saved it
No Man’s Sky Clear vision + rebuild identity + long runway
FFXIV Total overhaul + MMO culture retention
Battlefront II Star Wars IP gravity + constant updates
Rainbow Six Siege Tactical niche + strong comp conversion

>People don’t care about sci-fi
Disagree, but nuance matters:

People do care about sci-fi — but they care about:

Power fantasy

Aesthetic identity

Social style

Right now sci-fi that wins is:

Warhammer (fantasy-sci-fi aesthetic dominance)

Destiny (power fantasy loot treadmill)

Cyberpunk (style economy)

Helldivers (social meme energy)

Starfield despite problems (RPG gravity)

Star Wars shooters (identity gravity)

Halo’s problem is it’s the least stylish sci-fi among sci-fi.

It lost the “cool”.
It lost the “myth.”
It lost the “weird.”

Sci-fi isn’t dead — Halo’s cultural vibe is.

Cont.

>>724842818
>Infinite has enough appeal that it has stayed alive and been supported for 4 years
Halo autism is strong but Microsoft wants PC, PlayStation, and Switch players also having that kind of autism and I seriously don't believe they will. Multiplatform is a death sentence for Halo multiplayer.

>>724842818
nta, maybe it would have, but as of right now it's not doing any better than MCC, if so barely. To be honest, I thought the map designs were incredibly flawed with they way they chose to have an overabundance of different weapons all on one map, except for the power weapons whose spawns cycled out with no indication till you got there. In that vein map variants were better because at least you can guess what weapons are on the map. Map control is no longer a focus apparently, to its detriment, and the other modern mechanics exacerbate this. I once saw an interview of Infinite devs where one said they've been doing map design since Reach, and that presents a hilarious and poetic example of where things started to go wrong, but I digress. I believe that, fundamentally, they still don't understand how Halo works.

>>724843023
>>724843157
>Halo 5 had better content drip and still lost

Correct — because content wasn’t the disease; it was a symptom.

Halo 5:

Bet on esports instead of culture

Alienated campaign fans

Split MCC community

Had no emotional hook

Lost Xbox identity gravity

It fed a starving animal the wrong diet.

Dropping content faster doesn’t save a brand that's lost meaning to players.

>Halo only lived because it was an Xbox exclusive

That exclusivity did give it myth-power.
Scarcity ≠ quality, but it does create cultural presence.

Once Halo wasn't tied to Xbox identity, it became “just another shooter franchise.”
Halo without platform heritage is Doom without metal, Zelda without Nintendo, Street Fighter without arcades.

That doesn’t mean “dead forever,” but it does mean the brand now needs a reinvention moment, not a drip-feed revival.

>People will hype the MP and then it’ll die again — comp sweats will kill it

Real point here: modern competitive culture kills casual on-ramps.

Halo’s sandbox fantasy is not compatible with sweaty meta age.
Any attempt to revive arena through esports culture will collapse again.

The only viable path for Halo multiplayer is:

Lean into social, goofy, creator-friendly Halo

Make Forge/custom games the core product

Treat Halo like Roblox-meets-Destiny sandbox platform, not comp shooter

Lean into sci-fi myth + player freedom, not military friction

Sweaty arena Halo will never again be mainstream.
Creative/social Halo still could be if someone stops chasing esports ghosts.

>>724843157
You explained why Halo SP will survive, I don't believe the same can happen for MP. Halo's specialty, what it's good at is SP, its lore, the power fantasy around Master Chief, the mysteries of the universe. The MP is something from a bygone era doesn't feel like something that can last much longer. Halo SP always had potential, Halo MP was always going to be surpassed and was never going to recover from it when it happened. Halo MP announcements only brings excitement to old fans now, it doesn't have the same power it did in the past.

>>724843254
Forge needs to become a full blown map editor I'm sick of seeing those ugly fucking maps 343 can't make assets for shit

>>724789507
Microsoft in its entirety could literally burn to the ground and 343 would still keep going

>>724843193
MCC and Infinite are doing better with PC in the mix than without it.
There's a chance Halo could carve out a decent niche on PlayStation because Sony gave up on and dropped most of their first party PvP shooters that they had back in the PS3 gen. They have Helldivers 2 now but not everyone wants to be limited to co-op

>>724789246 (OP)
>we will never see a Halo 2 and Halo 3 remake
good?

>>724843390
Halo MP isn’t dead — it’s dormant.

You’re right that:

Halo’s cultural gravity now lives in its campaign, lore, and iconography

Arena FPS isn’t shaping the mainstream anymore

Halo MP isn’t commanding hype outside nostalgia cycles

But “not dominant” ≠ “obsolete.”

Halo MP isn’t a fossil — it’s a hibernating design space waiting for the right cultural moment.

Let me break down why.

1. Core Halo multiplayer still has a unique identity — no one replaced it

Other genres overtook Halo in scale, sure — BR, mil-sim, hero shooters.
But none of them actually do what Halo does:

There is no mainstream replacement for that specific sandbox-arena hybrid.

People didn’t reject the formula — they just weren’t being offered it well.

You don’t kill a genre by starving it of good examples.

2. “Only nostalgia players care” isn’t actually true

Halo isn’t Fortnite-big with kids — absolutely.
But look at Forge TikTok, custom game lobbies, Halo modding communities.

New audiences do show up — just not for ranked 4v4 Slayer.
They show up for:

Sandbox physics social chaos

Stupid game modes

Creative expression

War memes / machinima / goofy experiments

If Halo MP leans into social sandbox and community creativity, not esports purity, it hits a different market — younger, experimental, “game night chaos” gamers.

Think: Halo as Garry’s Mod with sci-fi identity.

3. FPS market fatigue is real — which opens a crack for something different

You think Halo missed the boat.
I think the boat is about to break, and Halo has a chance to be the lifeboat.

People are burning out on:

FOMO passes

Tactical sweat meta

Near-identical mil-sim gunplay

Grim realism

Chasing K/D over fun

You see Halo as unable to compete.

But what if the competitive field collapses into burnout and sameness… and Halo becomes the “fun FPS again”?

Gaming nostalgia returns in waves every ~10–15 years.

Arena shooters died before.
Then came Halo CE and Unreal Tournament and blew the doors off.

>>724843521
Maybe, we'll see. Maybe Switch players will like it given that the last Prime game to have multiplayer was Hunters and this could give them that itch.

>>724830160
It's been 15 years how are you still fighting this fight man.

>>724831620
I was laffing at the carefully selected 4 white guys that they got to present the reveal video. Not fooling anyone Microsoft.

>>724844067
He spent the last hour arguing with ChatGPT. He's not very bright.

>>724842227
>Infinite was the series last time to shine and it flubbed itself, it's over.
>Game that was massively successful before chronic mismanagement killed it
Your own example proves you wrong dumbass.

>>724844364
Oh lmao I didn't even notice that was the same person. Console warriors are truly a different species.

>>724789246 (OP)
What's left of 343 deserves to die a second time for how they treated the ex-bungie devs who tried to join them. Scumbag trash.

>>724790327
One minor detail nobody mentions that bugs the fuck out of me is how outrageously retarded the 343 idiots designed the captain of the infinity. Absolutely zero maturity or professionalism. None of the military discipline and decorum that one expects from such a high ranking officer. Something Bungie understood and got right.

That combined with the absolute scumbag attitude with how 343 treated the Bungie devs who tried to join them because they loved halo so much and it just shows what a tragedy it is that halo had to fall into such unworthy hands.

Fucking civvies

>>724789246 (OP)
Halo is long overdue for its euthanasia

>>724790327
Oh yeah and the complete and utter emasculated tone. not the brash vulgar 80's type of masculinity, but the focused, disciplined, stoic, professional kind that one expects of military personnel. The kind of attitude that is just focused on business, getting the job done. Whereas 343 halo is typical feminine feelings bullshit where the job is just adult daycare and everyone finding themselves. Fucking pathetic.

>>724845484
I agree. Quite frankly I’m confused that Xbox gave up on having a console but insists on still making Halo of all things after 15 years of failure post-Bungie. This is sentimental for some retarded executive and I don’t know who it is.

>>724845905
I doubt there is a timeline where Destiny was not shit.

>>724845936
The biggest filter for it was Activision and the internal shift of staff in Bungie...
ok, you're probably right.

>>724790641
haha

Hi /v/

I just got back from a very long weekend. I actually got to read the entire script for the remake. I can’t share it, but I can and will answer your questions. Yes, there are changes but there is also a lot of original dialog added to it.

An example is the beginning when Keyes gives chief the pistol. They skip the “your architecture isn’t much different from the autumn’s” line and instead after chief plugs her in Keyes hands the gun and says “if all goes well, we’ll rendezvous on the object’s surface.”

“And if it doesn’t, make sure my daughter gets this.” Implying that the gun isn’t for Chief. Chief hesitates, and then takes it.

>>724846231
shut the fuck up

>>724844790
>Your own example proves you wrong dumbass.
It should have recovered like BF2042, but it didn't Halo fucked up once and it was over, no one came back even when the content finally started coming. It's something about Halo, I just don't know.

>>724846273
>genuine leak
>shut the fuck up

Lol

>>724789246 (OP)
things working against it
>most likely requires high end PC
>will probably have 80$+ price tag
>economy in shitter
>remake of a game with a remaster, so people could just buy older game for same story but slighting worse graphics
>some other big games possibly coming out at the same time


Things working for it
>3 new missions
>new cut-scenes
>includes weapons from all the halo games, as well as vehicle stealing mechanics
>nostalgia guarantees the 30-40+ year olds who played halo as a teen will buy it.
>ng+ features like altered enemy behavoir
>multiplayer could be good

could go either way. i might buy it if i have cash on hand to spend.

>>724846231
what are the bonus missions about?

>>724836685
>>724837271
I have never played the Marathon games. How would this have been better if Halo was directly connected with that series? Can you give details on what parts directly reference Marathon? Were all these Halo factions a thing in Marathon at all? Or is this one of those situations where its all in a different galaxy but they wanted to say that both series were "connected" when in truth its only very loosely so.

holy shit, will this be a launch title for new xbox along with new elder scrolls? Xbox won already.

>>724846761
Considering that Marathon: Infinity was all about alternate timeline hunting, the Pfor having some similarities to the covenant, the cyborgs in Marathon being called "Mjolnir", ancient galaxy ending aliens etc. etc. the connections to Halo are pretty stark.
That and 343 straight up having Durandal's (Main AI of the Marathon series) symbol.

>>724846761
The thing about Marathon was that it essentially concluded in the weirdest possible way of making its protagonist a multi-dimensional super-cyborg manifestation of Destiny itself as a metaphysical concept.
>I have been Roland, Beowulf, Achilles, Gilgamesh. I have been called a hundred names and will be called a thousand more before the world goes dim and cold. I am a hero
A bunch of things in Combat Evolved were basically direct homages and references or successors to elements of Marathon. The alien world vibes were an execution of what they couldn't have pulled off in a sidestep to Doom era tech. The mysteries of the Forerunner were straight up a reshuffling of the Jjaro concepts as predecessors that contained an ancient evil and blessed humanity with gifts and advantages to fight it, except the Jjaro simply disappeared instead of extinguishing themselves. Cortana was effectively Durandal and Leela mixed into one being as a support character that was originally supposed to go crazy evil Rampant, hence her moments of hostility and protocol breaks compared to later (Bungie) games. Master Chief himself was explicitly referred to as a cyborg despite most humans having neural implants at the minimum, carrying on the Mjolnir stuff of the super cyborg soldiers that were army slayers in their own right (and what the protagonist of Marathon was implied to be),

Once you ever fuck with or research some of Marathon and then look at Combat Evolved, you'll see so much shared DNA it's staggering. But the books took everything in a different direction, and by the end Bungie separated most things away besides some cheeky references like the Marathon symbol being a recurring icon (one that 343 has tried to scrub damn hard from their games when bringing back anything).

>>724847561
It's kinda funny to think about the layers of bullshit there was
>Halo being a spiritual continuation of Marathon got scrubbed by the books
>Bungie begrudgingly took those books and continued on expanding this new direction of the lore
>343 comes in and destroys both the last of the Marathon connections AND the new lore that replaced the original intention
Amazing.

>>724846956
>TESVI delayed to 2029

>>724847692
new xbox will be 2027 probably

>>724847692
>TESVI
>Any time this decade

>>724847767
>new xbox
Pre-built PC more like. High-end console market has gone bust after PC exploded in popularity due to content creation, it's a safer bet to allow Steam to run on a home console rather than lose millions over Gamepass.

>>724847906
It's even more retarded that Microsoft is doing another first party Xbox handheld but with Windows this time, the one in the next gen console to compete with Steam Deck 2? Deck 2 is not only going to kill it in price but SteamOS shits all over Windows in performance and efficiency. The first party Xbox handheld may be stronger than the Deck 2, but Windows being bloated shit and the Microsoft Store having no games is going to kill it as hard as the price. I can't wait to see both Nintendo and Valve kill Sony and Microsoft's handheld ventures while their home console ventures go belly up because of high prices.

>>724802961
or perhaps that should have been a cue to the retards at microsoft that the franchise was over. instead we have this cancerous "perpetual franchise" shit that seems to have infected the minds of every publisher.

is MCC broken for anyone else too?

>>724848167
It worked on my machines when I had it.

>>724813096
>>724813150
the only part of halo 5 that worked with its mechanics was the pve mode. not a single other part of the game was fun. if halo 5's pve was released for 20$ on steam it'd be an insta-buy. shit, keep the monetization, I was having fun with that part of the game regardless of it.

>>724848167
I did a playthrough of Gravemind on Legendary earlier this afternoon. Which is like an hour of straight playing and I had no issues.

Unless you mean online.

>>724849003
It's apparently login issues. If you weren't auto-logged and had to do it fresh, the login system is so borked right now that the game auto-crashes from attempting to sign in without alt+f4'ing out at a specific point.

>>724791820
>everyone who plays the remake uses the OG graphics.
I played with the remake ones, actually

>>724789246 (OP)
lol

>>724836428
Halo declining before ultimately going to shit as soon as Jaime Griesemer, Joe Staten, and Jason Jones started stepping way proves Carlyle's Great Man Theory applies to vidya as much as it applies to war, economy, and politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL6LdQU_Uu4
For voicelines played backwards, elites had a certain charm to them.

>>724789246 (OP)
this is approaching the pokemon levels of stunted manchildren who got groomed by marketing

>>724789246 (OP)
> the death of Halo Studios and the future of Halo.
You're saying it like it's a bad thing

>>724833940
That Halo terminal of Captain Keyes losing his memories to the gravemind is the only good bit of writing to come out of 343

>>724789246 (OP)
Fuck they want? I played CE Campaign 100+ times, why would i spend extra to get the same shit one more time? Already got bamboozled with Anniversary eddition.

>>724855383
Because now you can play the same game but with sprint and braindead AI that stand in place waiting to get barreled over by your warthog so that even your grandma can feel epic and badass playing this game

>>724790641
>so guys, we are $3 from this stream's goal
https://youtu.be/lGEOgMcd2Xs?t=12083
kek, he's still making more than $300 a day, unbelievable

>>724810589
I can see it. He's on some flood planet or whatever but because [forerunner technology] the spread is slow and he's immune or whatever so you can have your npc quests that all end with them flooding out

>>724789507
Lel

>>724802680
it's still one of the most gorgeous looking games you little mongolid

>>724804312
yeah halo reach with UE5 stutter is extremely revolutionary

>>724802764
It's insane to me that Xbox and 343 is still convinced they need to chase after another audience. They waste a billion dollars on outsourcing Halo Infinite to jeets and then think hmmm there must not be a lot of Halo fans anymore

I would like Halo to be a good memory rather than a continually raped corpse.

>>724856168
Shitfinite's launch was big because they managed to trick people into believing it was real Halo. 343ies will STILL run the cope that it had the "best gameplay in the series but just not enough content" like it isn't fundamentally another stinker

What will the studio's new name be when they flop again?

>>724856615
The Endless

>>724856519
The story was terrible, but the sandbox stuff, the gunplay and the grappling hook were good. Just ignore the 'deep lore' and focus on killing random boss-tier elites, jackals and hunters.

343i are of course incompetent failures who deserve mocking, but I can still appreciate the good parts of something largely terrible.

I would have infinitely preferred a game where the Covenant is disintegrating after the war and splitting into dozens of warbands headed by aspiring war leaders each with their own eccentricities. Chief is stuck on the new ring or whatever it is, and has to use limited resources to keep them fractured and fighting among themselves while he slowly whittles them all down and ends the potential future threat to humanity.

Smaller stakes, no grand story, just lots of violence, lots of fun gameplay segments and lots of crazy eccentric villains with their own mad takes on the future of the covenant and their own elaborate fortresses that match their personalities.

The communist grunt collective would be absolutely hilarious and endlessly enjoyable to take down, especially if its replete with many being disgruntled and complaining about the lack of food, while others are die-hard fanatics willing to die for the cause and charging at you holding plasma grenades where they sing a communist-esque anthem.

343 need to accept they are crap writers and just embrace the fun of the gameplay and have the story be nothing except a vehicle for enjoyable gameplay segments.

>>724857613
didn't read

>>724846570
>>nostalgia guarantees the 30-40+ year olds who played halo as a teen will buy it.
Why would I do that? This game is nothing like the Halo 1 I actually like. This is some homogenized slop that pulls in everything from the new games and strips CE of its own identity.

>>724846570
>>ng+ features
What the fuck? Halo's a shooter, not an RPG.

>>724858696
You have no idea how many guaranteed sales you can make from nostalgiafags

>>724860652
You can't pull in nostalgiafags if you've got a shit reputation, like '343i/Halo Studios' has.

>>724804046
This

>>724791820
Leddit opinion

>>724789246 (OP)
>Halo fans that don't support Campaign Evolved could be the death of Halo Studios and the future of Halo

Good

>>724805285
Gay

>>724792063
You do know that H2 burnt out bungie so much that they literally did not give a single fuck about halo 3. Was the third star wars movie made with the same feelings from the creators? What glue sniffing diagram

>>724794741
Franchises are born in their creators heads, they're birthed from passion out of companies and die in the retirement home known as Fortnite

Reach still got it

>>724813150
Lol
Lmao

>>724856519
why do they hate the classic Shotgun so much?

>>724810206
Then where was the Halo battle royale? They're only chasing money trends like rotating cash shops, retarded skin prices and battlepasses locking you to the game's ecosystem daily so you see their shop and foam at the mouth to get your wallet out

>Hey, remember your favorite game of all time?
>well we RAPED it!
>now fork over the money or we'll call you a bigot
Why are devs like this?

This thread is still going?

>>724789507
At this point I’m completely convinced its a money laundering scheme, mother fuckers have been handed a billion dollars over the course of a decade in a effort to make atleast ONE (1) good game and keep tripping over their own balls trying to reinvent the wheel

>>724790563
So what has Master Chief been doing in Halo games if he stopped fighting 18 years ago?

>>724846570
>>nostalgia guarantees the 30-40+ year olds who played halo as a teen will buy it
Halo fans are beaten dogs there’s no way they’ll triple dip into a 20 year old game when 343 consistently shits itself at the thought of effort, hell the only reason the Halo crossover for Helldivers was successful wasn’t just nostalgia it was having Halo content from someone other than 343, they’ve burned their reputation so bad they can’t run it back no matter the name change

>>724867095
But Trump posted Halo. It's no longer woke. We won, fellow gamer. I certainly will be buying the Halo CE remake day 1!!

We are so back.

>>724868129
You don't understand bro, we're taking it BACK! We're saving it from the WOKE

>>724868129
why did he post Halo anyways

>>724866940
>Then where was the Halo battle royale?
They failed to make it. Infinite was supposed to be a Hero shooter, because of Overwatch, but Fortnite killed the idea and started over.
Did you hear of project Tatanka? It was the battle royale for Halo, but got cancelled for many reasons you probably know. They tried to mimic BR with Last Spartan Standing, but that shitty game mode got removed and never came back.

>>724842092
I didn't forget how 343 and Bungie simulteanously wrote their fucking game's story OUTSIDE of the game. You had to read their shitty novel to understand what was happening in Halo 4. And then you had to go on some website to read about the Destiny story rather than play the campaign to get the gist of it. They didn't tell you SHIT.

>>724830371
>>724830572
>>724830751
Bungie and Microsoft
>>724830683
Microsoft by themselves

>>724868717
>>724866940
Maybe they could have done a better and more standard battle royale within Infinite if it was current gen and PC only, instead of also releasing on Xbox One and maintaining feature parity there.
The creaky old Xbox One could handle 12 players on a BTB map with Last Spartan Standing, but it might have choked and given up if they went for ~100 players on a PUBG or CoD Warzone-size map, in that engine

>>724834486
Arby became chief's luigi

>>724854743
All the good ideas they had were taken from the bungie papers they supposedly shredded

>>724836494
the multiplayer was original friendslop, then the MLG retards invaded and made it all about mad skillz and flinging slurs in your mic a la cod

>>724868707
He unironically played halo 2

>>724836989
I'd call you based for not understanding jackshit and still confidently posting all that steaming pile of literal garbage.
>We made Halo first person because it was WAY more fun. Not because of sales projections.
??? It's about destiny you faggot

>>724870283
Warframe made even more than their sales projections, and they doubled down on TPS

>>724789246 (OP)
good
the trilogy is fine as it is
the story is finished
let it rest

>>724868707
They got people in their 30s who think internet dogwhistles belong in the government

>>724865319
I mean, ROTJ is pretty much universally considered to be the worst of the OT, and had a much worse reputation before the prequels. It's a good, solid movie with a lot of good moments that people really love, but Act 2 is meandering and a bit boring, there's a lazy rehash of the original's story elements, there's silly teddy bears to sell toys, and you can tell parts of it are being made just because it has to be. Its vibes actually pretty similar to Halo 3.

>>724854743
That wasn't 343 writing, it was ripped straight from "The Flood"

>>724789246 (OP)
>if you don't buy this shit remake, they won't make more shit remakes!
Nothing of value was lost.

>>724836428
>That’s why they didn’t do damage
The trip mine and power drain equipment didn't do damage? Someone is severely misremembering things

>>724818498
mothman?

>>724845839
no one wanted to make more halo after the first game? that is kinda surprising

>>724846746
you need to clean up after the bull is done with cortana, you use the joystick to wiggle master chief's tounge

>>724874984
>nooo I don't want to create any more scifi shooters where we can have unique enemy design and do fucking almost anything we want because the franchise has had ONE game
were they stupid?

>>724818498
>Joseph Staten was writer and design director for Destiny
>Staten left Bungie in September 2013
>Destiny came out September 2014
lmao, so the "story" that Destiny 1 released with was cobbled together in less than a year. That explains a lot

>>724789246 (OP)
Okay

>>724789246 (OP)
Good, fuck 343.

They stopped updating the Master Chief Collection so they've served their purpose, kill them off.

>>724875319
do we have anything on what they were planning to do after halo?
looking at their other games they are actually a pretty diverse developer, the have made a rts and a beat-em-up also.

>>724789246 (OP)
>Halo fans that don't support Campaign Evolved could be the death of Halo Studios and the future of Halo
then make sure it's good nigga. that art style is fucking bad and UE5 generic in the worst way but there's still time to fix it.

>>724875325
That's been widely known. Destiny has been riding the crumbs of that first scrapped story for its entire lifetime.

>>724789246 (OP)
People that support sprint or 343 deserve a pickaxe to the skull

>>724789246 (OP)
It's a remake of a beloved iconic game
It will succeed just like the last 20 did even if it's shit

>>724877465
Just reselling old reskinned content to brown illegals at the point

>>724874984
It's not when you realize Microsoft co-opted their lore soon after Bungie was purchased and Microsoft acquired the Halo IP.

>>724875983
Sorry to invoke the bot, it gave a decent answer on this

>>724878914
>>724875983

>>724878914
>>724878986
surprised they liked RTS games so much. it would be fun to get a old harddrive from one of these studios and scrounge around their prototypes and cancelled games