Thread 724870783

jesus fuck! what were they thinking

>tremere forced to be melee brawlers
disgusting

The game was eh until the ending, then I hated it. 3/10, won't be playing again.

>>724870887
Aisling, my love...

>>724870783 (OP)
I had fun.

Cool game overall

A return to form

Ok

I don't care if this game is shit IM HAVING A BLAST

>>724870783 (OP)
>promote trannies and gays and niggers and queers while demoralizing gamers that actually like gaming to destabilize the industry
That's probably what they were thinking

>>724870783 (OP)
>what were they thinking
"Just get this shit out of the door already so we can stop burning money on it"

Would it have killed them to add stats and an inventory like the first game? There's no point to explore or do any side missions

>>724873994
It would have cost money. Also, the dev they gave it to absolutely fucking hates anything that has to do with actual gameplay. The Fabien parts are what they're passionate about

>>724874061
The Fabien sections single handedly made me not want to play the game ever again

>>724873994
Even a functioning world map would be helpful. I find it hard to move across the map and select things. It’s so clunky

>>724874147
Correct, that is what anyone who actually likes vidya thinks about them. However, the failed writers at TCR hate video games and think they're beneath them

>even random ethots completely roasting the shit out of the game
it's over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNvfxWCWR_4

>>724874181
It's the most retarded possible way to implement keyboard + mouse controls. You "select" something by moving the cursor with WASD but then if you click any part of it it selects it as your compass point, and automatically closes the map

>>724870783 (OP)
Easier to sell something when you know there is a fanbase. They didn't care about their next game, since they need or want money now.

>>724873156
he's having a sandblast

>>724873994
I don't think the game needs those. Sidequests are for more lore and skillpoints which is more than enough

>>724874694
fuck off with that, a game doesn't NEED anything, but having more systems that interact with each other makes it more fun

>>724874694
Maybe they could have made side-quests that are more than just copy and paste open-world time-wasting bullshit with all that saved dev time. Wait, nevermind, they didn't even do that lmao.

>>724874147
making you have to go get blood to use your abilities was one of the most pointlessly stupid things they forced you to do, you don't fight anyone with fabien, why does he need to feed? just make his abilities unlimited

>>724874863
To show that he has a network of NPCs to feed on, I guess

>>724874147
I will never play the game again unless they add a way to skip his sections. They could've at least included some enemies for him to fight, anything..

>>724874943
I liked the idea of that, it's a cute reference to the detective with informants trope, but in game having to actually to to them just made me want to kill myself.

The fact that you know exactly where he plot IS, but the game forces you to divert and waddle around to another place is so fucking aggravating, I want to call this anti-game design, this game can be studied as an example of what not to do for adventure game design.

>>724875219
I will once again post my schizo theory that they initially didn't even have the speed-up button during his sections until the playtesters begged them to do something about the literal 10 minutes of walking with nothing happening

>>724874181
>I find it hard to move across the map and select things
Some of the quests are so fucking close together that you have to zoom in on the map to get the cursor to not get stuck on the icon, it's horrendously designed.

>>724875264
>anti-game design
That is the perfect description for everything TCR does. I think I previously put it like "the choices in gameplay design are so bad they make you wonder if TCR even wants to make vidya or would rather punish anyone who tries to play this"
>The fact that you know exactly where he plot IS
Dude, when looking for the pregnant woman, the very first NPC told me he saw her while praying at the church, but then I still had to talk to the other two NPCs, plus have a """"""""""""""funny""""""""""""""""" conversation with a filing cabinet before the game allowed me to go to the church to find her

>>724875296
I can believe that, they are the kind of dev that would think the player walking around and "soaking in" the atmosphere of the world is good enough for a game, even though you are just walkign around samey places and it's the same game world as the Phyre phase of the game, but with a worse traversal system.

>>724873994
I can't believe the game doesn't have this, or save points, or even the mechanic to wield a weapon. It's like a no game game

>>724876450
>a no game game
That’s all the chinese room does. Walking simulators are NOT games. They are just a more pretty visual novel

>>724876525
>more pretty
[X] Doubt

>>724873241
If anything I found 2 to be more conservative in tone and themes than 1. Bizarrely respectful of cops and churches while in one you do hit jobs for a woman who turned a church into a den of sin and police representation is officer tubs. Also more prudish. If you except the they/them toreador who's not even a real character and Tolly being an absolute gay diva it's a far less brazen game. Hell you can't even make jokes about voting republican anymore.
>>724870783 (OP)
it's The Chinese Room, they weren't thinking. They write okay stories and then half-ass a surface level copy of other games in the genre it's been their MO since A machine for pigs.

Does this game let you go from unknown fledgling to feared vampire? I know it's craftan slop but I'm gonna set it up to barely require any crafting, I just wanna know if the power fantasy is there

>>724877271
Yeah and the base building is comfy. It’s a good game and good with friends too

>>724876760
If they had the writer of a machine for pigs it would've been slightly better, but they didn't even have that.

So uh, is there anything this game does right?

>>724874305
who is this chinkanoid

>>724878965
Parkour is fun for about 30 minutes before it becomes samey

>>724878965
Combat can be quite enjoyable with the right powers. I’m playing Lasombra and running around in people’s shadows and snapping their necks is fun.

>>724873241
this pic has always been weird to me because it seems to imply microtransactions aren't an issue

One this confuses me, or maybe I didn't pay attention but the whole Rebar killer thing goes on and on how the killings happened during the day and everyone repeats how this means it couldn't be kindred, but then we realize it was Lou/that other sheriffaggot. So how were the killings done during the day? Few of the killings have Fabian run in last second and miss the killer by a very short time, yet Fabian certainly didnt get out during the day in those recollection of memory gameplay. It this an oversight in writing?

>>724879225
>>724879204
Given these two answers, just (re)play Prototype

>>724878965
No.

>>724870783 (OP)
Paradox was thinking, "Wow HSL was faking everything! BL2 isn't close to being finished. Lets shitcan those losers and have CR make BL2 into a walking sim."

BL2 would have been a fine generic VTM video game. Unfortunately it had to be called BL2.

>>724879448
Shut the fuck up shill

>>724879358
I think the daytime thing is only in the 1920 with the original killer (Campbell, who was a ghoul at the time and therefore could go in sunlight)
We don't know who the new killer in 2020 is

>>724870783 (OP)
They were thinking "Let's just get this shit done" because action/character RPGs are not the type of game the Chink Room makes. They've gone on record saying that even if the game is successful they are not planning on making a followup because it's not the sort of game they want to make. It's also abundantly clear that the shitty Fabien walking sim bits were the story they really wanted to tell, and Paradox likely forced them to add in action game elements, which explains why both parts feel so phoned in and half-baked. The three "side quests" are inexcusably lazy game design. This shit company deserves to go bankrupt.

>>724879490
>>724879448
Is he shilling?

>>724879679
New here? If a guy is
>shittalking HSL (the original dev)
>cooming over how amazing TCR is (the shitty walking sim dev who took over the game)
>conceding some points while still pretending it's good ("a good game but not a good VTMB game!")
It's the same shill as always. He can't help it

>>724874457
>>724879641
>Nuff Said

>>724870783 (OP)
>two weeks after release for Halloween
>already more threads about playing the first one which is 21 year old

>>724877271
No, it's a fucking shit game, especially after the update that made it impossible to build your base without borders.

>>724879358
The ones that happened during the day were done by lou's first bitch prince when he was a ghoul. Not all of them happened during the day.

My issue with the rebar killer stuff is it ended up not really tying into Phyre's plot at all, certainly not in the way it was obviously intended. It's so obvious they added that cutscene that randomly plays where Gideon just randomly gets up and says "I have to go now ,my people need me" to try and tie the plots together, but it just obviously doesn't work.

>>724879679
I thought I was reasonable, but apparently I don't hate BL2 enough.

>>724879679
>I must defend the honor of HSL
But why? Their fuck up is why BL2 turned out the way it did.

>>724880042
qrd? You need to build a big wall around your compound or what?

>>724879620
i just realized we didnt get the reveal for the current rebar killer, that was kinda dumb huh, considering the amount of time spent on it

>>724878965
No. The only reason I give it a 2/10 instead of a 1 is because it boots up and is technically playable.

>>724880121
I think it's intentionally left open. They just forgot that no one would care about this shitty B plot

>>724880121
I think it was Fabien. One of his dialogue options speculates that he could have been behind it as a way to remind himself of the murders in the past and it would fit with his status as a schizoid Malkavian.

>>724879343
it doesn't imply that at all, just that it's only a symptom

>Fabien glazing begins the second the totally not shill enters the thread
Yeah

>>724880121
It was Campbell again, how much more obvious does it need to be?

>>724880096
You used to be able to expand your borders indefinitely, but because retard devs cater to PVParasites and they were whining about that being unfair, there's now a limit to how far you can expand a base so you can no longer build massive sprawling estates spanning in-game miles.

tl;dr PVPtrannies ruined shit as usual.

>>724880307
Who is glazing that faggot?

>>724879358
Those were his memories, and he's an unreliable narrator after discovering he was Dominated and has memory issues. That's it. That's all it is.
The new killings were arguably Fabien doing it to remind himself of the conspiracy and his unwitting role in it. It's left up to interpretation but that's what I took away from it as the only thing that made sense. Clearly something is wrong with the narrative, however, since someone is targeting his information network near the end of the game, despite him having vanished in the eyes of the rest of Seattle.

>>724880357
Oh luckily I'm fine with that because I couldn't even remotely give a shit about building my own estate. It'll probably just be a square room with all the tools or whatever you need in it

>>724880516
You are a gay fucking faggot and I hate your fucking guts and I wish your mother had swallowed you.

>>724874694
>Sidequests are for more lore
Which it does not fucking provide. You learn jack shit from the sidequests in this game. The NPCs give you a single sentence, shorter than a WoW quest text, saying that you need to pick up an item or kill a random NPC you've never met before and that's it. There is no supplemental lore. There is no education on WoD lore. There is nothing to glean.
At best you learn that Tremere like to trade artifacts or that Banu Haqim are self-righteous executioners.

>>724880676
UHM AKCHUALLY once you have to kill an enemy on the Mrs Thorn delivery quest!!!!

>>724874694
>which is more than enough
Apparently not

>spend the whole game semi-cozying up to the camarilla with the idea that once I am positioned well i will just off everyone and become prince
>embrace the hunter bitch and send her after lou to help facilitate this plan
>did nothing overall good for the anarch in any way, outside trying to get them in on the plot to remove lou (told lou i would kill them but wont)
>the ending is the main ugly retard bitch anarch being the prince and me being her sherriff.

I don't get this game, or it is too stupidly made to give you enough options. The anarch uggo didnt even want to listen to me and i only got the option along the lines of "you leave me no choice" before she ran and was saved by the first games hoe with the sniper. I was not even able to interact with lou before the last fight at the top of the tower, after which the game just faded to credits. I was kinda semi enjoying the game until it gave me a shit ending entirely unrelated to my choices.

>>724880641
>>724880568
Feel like I stepped into a completely different thread lol

>>724874694
I think you need to fucking kill yourself, shill.

>>724880839
No one understands the endings. "why the fuck would I ever embrace a hunter?" and "why the fuck did Kasumi win?" are the two most common complaints for people who got to the endings

>>724880839
None of your choices matter. None of them. You cannot convince me that the game doesn't just randomly assign you an ending as soon as you start a file.

>>724880839
I believe you have to send Baker after the Anarchs to avoid being pigeonholed in their ending, and say you are against Lou in one or two dialogues near the end.

>>724870783 (OP)
"Tremere girls are cute. CUTE!"

Tbh I'm inclined to agree.

I still don't understand why Safia couldn't simply pull the stake out of Gideon and have him be normal again. But then again, I also don't really give a fuck

>>724879197
Daph

- self admitted BPD viper
- history of torturing small animals
- pretty funny and clever actually
- hates white people
- dates white passing men (of course)
- grinds playing vidya instead of being a thot or going politics

She's a mixed bag. I don't watch her because I'm white and she's too mean.

>>724881465
jesus christ

>>724881397
Neither do the writers.

>>724880839
Same here man, I suspect the intent was that the Court and Camarilla of Seattle have been so irremediably wrecked you'd need to actively fuck with the anarch one way or the other to keep them on top but the game is terrible at signaling that. Also Lou dodged every bullet I could think of in my playthrough but somehow an "unknown assaillant" still got to her in the ending slide.

>>724881079
>>724881115
I kinda got the idea behind embracing the hunter, which is why i did it. To me it read as having a thrall inside the biggest threat to my rule of the city, the hunters.

I am planning on replaying the game in such a way that I will be a cunt to everyone, and taking those dialogue options that clearly state right in the face of lou and a few others that I am going to take this city. If I get some mongoloid ending after that I wont touch the game again.

>>724879197
>>724881465
I don't care about ecelebs, but her take on this game is spot on and dismantles any shill arguments.

>>724881184
why is every smart woman a crazy psycho

Reminder that this is why this game's animations look like dogshit.

>>724881079
I wanted to embrace the hunter so she would send them after the vampires I didn't like and leave me alone, I think they killed lou in the ending slide, but it was pretty anti-climatic.

I genuinely think it was decent for what it is: three different games in a vtm skinsuit.
I actually really liked playing as fabien and being totally insane and talking to filing cabinets. It genuinely felt like playing as a malkavian detective. It was also super empty and boring and very obviously half done with the blood point shit and the story itself is silly cuz lou shouldn't even need to be a serial killer she's the fucking PRINCE. Just put a your hand through their chest in broad daylight and dare a nigga to do something about it. But i liked playing as a malkavian.

The combat was bad enough i didn't care about fabien not having any. I went full tremere and combat was atrocious slap fights when i couldn't just clear entire packs by blowing one dude up. First boss was the only one i could even use my bullshit on and i actually had to lower the difficulty down from hard on that combat arena underground. Second boss was actually hell.

The only side content i did was fucking ms thorn. This is the only side content i view as worth doing.

Tolly is great fuck you he's my cringe faggot goblin and i love him. He is exactly what i want from that character and his homosexuality is actually written well, he is obnoxiously gay in the exact way that real gays are. Probably based off someone in the dev team. He's great.

I rizzed safia hard the whole game and the ending really bugged me and desu if i could be like "okay, we'll bone now" at the end to dodge to fight that'd be cool. At least it's actually suuuuuper foreshadowed like crazy hard with her notes n shit.

Phyre existing is retarded. I'm not the most up to date on modern vtm. But... An elder waking up is like... An apocalypse event isn't it? Aren't they the kids of the antideluvians? Also LOLLL THEY LET ME BE A TREMERE ELDER?????? like bro the moment that nigga opened his eyes every tremere on the planet should have been his puppet. I should have been able to just tell safia to shut up and go home.

>>724881986
>>724881671
Well man I dunno, it's just that if I'm a lifelong hunter who only turns to vampirism cause I'm about to die, I backstab all those vampire fuckers the millisecond I get granted immortality

>>724881671
The idea works but it feels awkward & forced, especially when it comes so late in the game and has a massive impact on which endings players can get.

>>724881079
>"why the fuck would I ever embrace a hunter?"
The writers tried to justify this nonsense by (heavy handedly) foreshadowing that if you kill the hunter boss it will somehow make the hunter organization stronger.

>>724882006
>But i liked playing as a malkavian
Was nothing like a Malkavian.

>>724882006
Shut the motherfucking fuck up, shill. I'm fucking sick and tired of you.

>>724881726
Lol shut up chinkbug
The game is a solid 8/10

>>724882274
You're retarded. He was the most malkavian. He literally became a serial killer subconsciously to remind himself that lou is a serial killer. Fabien is outrageously deranged and i love him

>>724882412
I'm sure you and your wife's boyfriend had a blast.

>>724882296
Not a shill and 90% of my post was about how it's janky unfinished and kinda retarded but i liked the characters and enjoyed playing it enough to beat it.

>>724882415
I told you to fucking shut the fuck up, shill.

>>724882006
>Second boss was actually hell.
I completed the game on hard as banu haqim, which is probably the hardest you can get.
I was having problems with Ysabella at first, but then I started using telekinesis to chuck the light fixtures at her and it became easy.

>>724882539
I literally don't care. You're just retarded and probably never played the first game either.

>>724882528
Shut the fuck up, shill.

>>724882412
nick mullen would NEVER call someone a chinkbug also im gay

>>724882607
>projection
You have certainly never played Bloodlines if you're shilling this piece of shit. I, on the other hand, played it when it came out, i.e. before you were born.

>>724882412
>8/10
In what universe? It's mediocre in nearly every aspect.

>>724882064
Backstab them for what ? it's not like your old hunting buddies are gonna accept your new working hours and dietary restrictions. Once she grows fang she's stuck as a vampire with the rest of them. I don't have any inklings on VTM lore outside of the first game but the dilema wasn't that nonsensical to me: If she doesn't report back the IAO is gonna send reinforcement correctly assuming she was offed by an "empty body" (very stupid terminology btw) but turning her is a massive breach of the legal code that you're supposed to enforce. Other than that turning her actually dooms her to be on the side of other vampires and it's not like kindreds are in any conventional term "loyal" to one another.

>>724882578
Yeah the problem is tremere has a teleport and a lil stun that attracts enemies and a nuke that requires thirty seconds of charge time and is interrupted by everything. Sooooo i just had to slap fight it up.

>>724880839
>Spend the whole game simping for the camarilla simply because you couldn't in 1.
>Fully intended to just dip when the mark was dealt with
>Prince bitch rudely for no reason, tells me to fuck off and never come back, then proceeds to get dominated like a chum and die, lol
>Lou tells me I'm useless because I want to focus on stopping the sabbat and not murdering thin bloods while the city is teeming with cultists (I am still pro thin blood eradication).
>Nah actually, you're all useless. It's my city now
>Get the prince ending
Skill issue.

Btw why are the sabbat treated like the sith in this game? Like its not a secret or controversial, they exist, and after a point, there are cultists just everywhere. Why is itthat when Phyre keeps bring up the sabbat, it's treated like they're sctizoposting?

>>724881845
Every pro has a con.
Every push has a pull.
Every object has a shadow.
In all things, balance.
In balance, the Corrivality writhes.

>>724874305
I can not figure out what the fuck she's going for with those photoshop boards. Do reviewers REALLY not organize their shit?

>>724870887
>mfw WW doing feminist bullshit with Tremere of all the clans

>>724882705
The first bloodlines had great characters and narrative and some cool locations. But it is a janky nightmarish mess.

You DID NOT play it when it came out. Because no one could. WHEN IT CAME OUT NIGGA???? I TRIED TO PLAY OT AND COULDN'T CUZ IT KEPT CRASHING YOU ARE SUCH A LYING NIGGER. You actually don't know what you're talking about and have outed yourself as a dumb nigger that just watches people play games online and absorbs their takes on them.

It was not fucking possible to run the original bloodlines when it came out.

>>724883085
>I had a shit rig in my third-world favela that couldn't run the game without crashing s-so that means no one could play it!
Why are Mexicans like this?

>>724883085
the chinatown door filtered me in unpatched vtmb kek

>>724883085
>It was not fucking possible to run the original bloodlines when it came out.
You being a poorfag doesn't mean the game was impossible to run lmfao what the fuck is this zoomer nonsense. The game was a bug-riddled mess that desperately needed the fan patch but it was by no means impossible to run, you just had shit hardware.
Stupid Tiktok cuck

>>724880095
>Their fuck up is why BL2 turned out the way it did.
No, their fuck up is that Paradox couldn't give them a hard timeline and make them hit it.

Like Mitsoda, Avallone, and whatsherface were writing the stuff while HSL was still working on the game. If you don't have vertical slice at 2 years, what the fuck are you doing? The fact it took Paradox FOUR (4) years to shitcan them with nothing not even a demo to show for it just shows the problem is with Paradox.

Then again this is the SAME Paradox that loads $100+ worth a DLC up a games asshole, so... kind of deserved.

>>724880050
The Rebar killer stuff was a Fabien B-plot that just sort of tied loose ends together instead of trying to be innately compelling
>Why do I have this schizo in my head
>He was recreating and investigating a set of murders related to the prince lol
>Said killings and circumstance still end up unrelated to the crazy Tremmy

>>724882752
blank body, because they aren't considered real people, dehumanizing the enemy is important for military organizations

>>724883085
You weren't alive in 2004 lil zoomie

Where are the rest of the Anarchs? Why do they have 900 ghouls?

>>724883225
Also while I'm thinking of it: It's funny TCR did "Still Wakes the Deep"/oil rig horror walking sim(IIRC) and then proceeds to try to copy that same gameplay/design into a fucking TABLETOP ROLEPLAYING GAME I.P. video game ROLEPLAYING GAME's sequel.

Like WHAT THE FUCK did they expect?

>>724871440
>>724870887
she was raped by Aleister Crowley lmao

>>724881184
Elif would've been so much better. I am still salty she got the axe.

>>724882415
The serial killer stuff could easily be aa Toreador bane instead of a Malk dementation though

>>724883140
>Bro vtm bloodlines is such a graphically intensive game you don't even know you can't run it if you don't have the latest edition of Windows 98.

You should kill yourself after embarrassing yourself this hard. Mexicans in favelas were probably the first people that got into bloodlines cuz no one else fucking did.

Literally anyone who says they Played it "on release" is straight up lying through their fucking teeth. And no. Your windows 98 computer with eight whole megabites of ram is not going to fix that.

>>724883351
You only talk to Kasumi like 4 times, it really begs the question why you'd want to help them

>>724883501
>Redditspaced meltdown
You are self reporting with every subsequent post. Imagine pretending a game was impossible to run when that's demonstrably false based on forum reviews from the time that you can go find right fucking now with a quick Google search. People were playing it and complaining about how buggy it was. It was in no way "impossible to run", you fucking brown zoomer.
Now shut the fuck up and get back to mowing my yard.

>>724883469
That would require the writers to know that exists though.

>>724883085
You have it wrong. BL1 could not be finished out of the box because it would crash while escaping from Society of Leopold via boat. You had to use a console command to skip it before it was eventually patched.

Tremere or Lasombra bros. What should I be?

>>724883653
Narratively, a brawler Tremere is absolute nonsense.

>>724883653
It doesn't matter at all.

>be vampire hunter with bro
>bro saves your life from vampire
>gets bit in the process
>kill vampire
>give bro a head start to disappear before you hunt him down
KINO

>>724883279
The whole thing with the rebar killer is it doesn't work once you know what's going on.
Lou rebar killing Gideon is actually the inciting incident to Phyre's plot.
Except she didn't kill him for 'reasons' and so there was no body displayed Fabian and Safria just assume he got rebar killed.
How and why Gideon and safria independently joined the sabbat is not explained.
Who was doing the 'modern' killing ends up not mattering at all as they're not related to Phyre's plot at all.
Even if Fabian solved the case this would have given no insight to anyone or in any way stopped the sabbat plot; it ended up literally not mattering at all.

>>724883742
That's not how the Embrace works. You don't turn into a vampire via a bite. It's a lengthy and conscious process.

>>724883817
Yeah but it would be kino…

>>724883817
Which costs Sire some Willpower.

>>724883893
Yes, it would've.

>>724883742
That's not how you become Kindred. Even draining a body of all its blood doesn't create Kindred

>>724883789
I have a feeling that the story got rewritten so many times, even the writers lost the plot eventually. It's not the Fallout 3/4 level of "the writer is not paying attention to its own plot to the point of self-contradiction" bullshit yet, but it's getting dangerously close at times.

>>724873156
The sand eater is right. Cry more.

>>724883612
>Clan bane? What's that? We're playing V5 lol you nerd
Bloodlines 1 wasn't perfect but at least the banes felt reasonable and had gameplay presence
>>724883789
The game implies Fabien was the one using his Malk powers to restart the modern rebar killings until he managed to break the loop, likely because Campbell got tired of having to mindrape Fabien. I personally think the plot is rather stupid but at least it's a few explanations. Not that they were really needed, we still don't know why Jack did it other than to dick around

Why does everybody want to fuck a Tremere waifu anyway?

>>724883703
That’s what I thought but telekinesis and gliding seems like something more magical which would lean towards Tremere. That and I think the plan was for Phyre to be Tremere based on the artwork

>>724880818
It's doing well for a niche game

>>724884143
>hunter kills his bro anyways because they don’t know this
KINOooo…?

>>724884297
V5 has banes. TCR didnt implement them.

>>724884346
Yeah, also Telekinesis/Flight is not something every clan just can do. It's literally a skill that comes from Movement of the Mind and that's explicitly a Thaumaturgical Path.

>>724882806
>Why is itthat when Phyre keeps bring up the sabbat, it's treated like they're sctizoposting?
because your char has 0 dot in their social attributes
nobody can be intimidated, nobody listens to reason, nobody knows what a fucking ghoul is

>>724883279
It's an issue with modern Mystery Box writing. If you're a subversive asshat that thinks they know how to write, you get the audience interested in your Mystery Box and promise answers, hinting at some Grand Conspiracy. You don't plan to explain everything because that's the appeal of the Box, but there has to be a driving force for your narrative that puts the onus on a protagonist to solve the Mystery. One character or organization can't be behind the Grand Conspiracy; that's too simple and your audience expects more. It has to be 2, 3, maybe even 4 intertwining Mysteries, power struggles, and faction conflicts that ultimately mean nothing when the Box is opened and resolved, but those plot devices are responsible for 90% of the heavy lifting of your narrative and obscuring your antagonist. The climax is your antagonist mastermind reveal working towards some inscrutable-yet-deeply-personal goal, related to the protagonist and their meddling.
VTMB 2 is utterly by the numbers and it's truly unfortunate.

>>724884354
I doubt Paradox or TCR are all that satisfied with how it has performed. This game has been in development for far too long

>>724883612
>>724884297
It's harder to implement banes when your game is so simple it doesn't even have damage types, for example.

>>724882806
Because for a time ALL the Sabbat went to the middle east to fight the Gehanna War. Its news when they show back up in Camarilla cities

>>724884329
people think they are cute nerd girls (they are)

>>724879448
>>724879679
Samefag

>>724882806
>Btw why are the sabbat treated like the sith in this game?
Nah, it's even worse. TCR turned Sabbat into Chaos worshippers. Because Sabbat actually has some fucking structure as loose as it is. And even they aren't this stupid evil to approve of Safia's gonzo plan, because that would mean the death of of them.

>>724884634
>critical role, but with vampires
I didn't hate all of it.

>>724884452
The nomad has autism, that's why she ninja crawls around even though it gives zero advantages.

>>724884169
It does feel simultaneously rushed and iterated on. There are a few story twists but you see them coming a mile away because they're not nuanced at all, and the game really puts you on rails. How long was the TCR version in dev time for like 3 years?

>>724884902
Eh, it had Erika Ishii as the most stereotypical and obnoxious Brujah ever.

>>724884945
they hear you crawling! it just serves to break the masquerade when you want to sprint after a dropkick glitch!

>>724884902
Jason Carl is a God tier DM, he manages to even work with Ghost of woke girl and make it not suck entirely.

>>724884385
V5 banes are underwhelming though but you are correct

>>724885078
>he manages to even work with Ghost of woke girl and make it not suck entirely.
Not for the lack of trying on her part. That's why I can't stand the bitch. Not because she's fat or ugly, but because she's obnoxious and loud drama queen.

>>724884902
dude playing the nosferatu was an absolute highlight

>>724884506
It's not innately a flawed writing style but that level of planning and moving pieces around requires actual attention to detail and effort. TCR probably had a couple of rewrites as they tried to implement or veto'd earlier work from HSL that they passed off as their own so I can't imagine the writing team actually got a good look at their plot for long enough to judge it
>>724884543
Outside of the lack of agg it makes sense most damage is lethal-ish between the thinbloods and ghouls, though your Elder should clearly be able to facetank it in a game that actually cared about the setting

>>724885002
I have a feeling they legit either don't understand the setting or are not feeling comfortable with it. Because even though all the elements are in place, it doesn't really *feel* like a VtM game.
Case in point - this fucking finale. What the fuck was that? Do the writers know what the Masquerade is and how it works? I get that they want the bombastic ending, but holy shit, it breaks the setting in half.

>>724885559
The Sabbat dont care about the Masquerade so whats the issue with the ending, secondary?

>>724881671
That would have been the case if you ghouled her which really should have been an option. But embracing her is insane.

>>724885659
Don’t the sabbat still uphold some hypocritical version of it so they don’t get stomped by humans

>>724885659
The Sabbat actually DO care about the Masquerade, they're just edgy about it. You can excuse Sofia's weird blood orgy because she was acting independently but it's very much something that can't be covered up with
>CCP-funded terror attack
The way the Sarcophagus bomb can be
>>724885559
Considering they were volunteered for the role by Sumo and then got to buy themselves out of their control I can only guess that they didn't really want the game

>>724885659
They care. They do fucking care, because they have this thing called self-preservation.
"We don't care about the Masquerade" is just something that the Sabbat elders feed to the fledgling Sabbat packs, but everytime those fucks get out of line, some Tzimisce elder steps in to clean up their mess and turn them into chairs for being retarded.

>>724885826
Yeah they have some edgy name for it. They're more in your face about them being vampires but that's usually a precursor to getting turned into a shovelhead
>>724885758
It's pretty insane but given that she's afraid to die to cancer she's pretty much can't betray you for fear of being killed by hunters. Terrible idea to force you to engage with the SI like that, bad execution too still

>>724885659
Sabbat's idea of upholding secrecy is "kill all witnesses".

>>724885078
All his chronicles seemed very scripted though. And he almost never gets them to roll dice probably because V5 falls apart if you do that.

>>724886182
These WoD live plays are more scripted because the game lends itself to it.

>>724886182
All of the liveplays/podcasts are pretty scripted to make them more entertaining I assume. I suppose he and the players want to do Vampire shit and V5 is just so against you actually using your disciplines and being a cool vampire

>>724886182
I disagree, it sems that way a lot because of the players, I can remember he giving a lot of threads for them to pull on and they never really getting the hints.

Imagine being all smug about firing HSL and then producing this dreck

>>724886332
>V5 is just so against you actually using your disciplines and being a cool vampire
How so? I remember that there are disciplines that insta work on human targets and if you are lucky you don't even spend resources to use disciplines.

>>724886707
Its not, it's just angry v20 larpers. V5 has an emphasis on personal horror so you need to actually feed regularly and while feeding you can accidentally kill someone.

>>724881184
Oh hey it’s the gardener

>>724870783 (OP)
I like how the shilling contract in 4chan disappeared the second the game released

>>724886707
>no blood points anymore so discipline use is based on hunger
>blood potency makes it harder to feed and replenish your hunger
>you get maluses for being hungry
>maximum hunger is lower than blood pool pre-V5
>every single point of hunger you replace dice with hunger dice
>hunger dice 1 or 10s make you go apeshit anyway
Your control is taken from you for trying to do cool vampire shit but it happens a lot faster than using blood points

>>724886306
I've seen some by other STs where there was way less railroading and players would actually do unexpected things, switch sides etc.

>>724886928
>adding dice complications to a system trying to be as streamlined as possible is good actually
>when said dice complications make you lose control
It's just not a good replacement for blood points

>>724887210
>>724886928
Lmfao

>>724886928
Retard

>>724887210
Change from Blood Points to Hunger and all accompanying systems is one of those sidegrades I don't really hate in V5. Touchstones as well are very neat concept, especially since they're optional. I don't like V5 overall, but it has some good ideas.

>>724887305
>adding dice complications to a system trying to be as streamlined as possible is good actually
Correct.

>>724886707
Yeah there are a few but most of them still require a rouse so 50% chance of hunger gain. If you do one cool thing you might be at hunger 2 which raises the chance you get bestial failures and messy crits which cause problems which need to be fixed with disciplines which means higher hunger which means more fuckups which mean more powers...

>>724886928
>instant V20 larper seethe
You love to see it. Theater kids hate having to roll dice.

>>724887479
nta but touchstones are also horrible, imagine your character only being able to have convictions if they're tied to specific mortals
game also states that a good ST will constantly try to fuck over the players using their touchstones so lol lmao

>>724887483
>>724887581
Retard

>>724887479
Heard anons on these thread hate touchstones since they don't want to be playing Wraith while they're playing Vampire instead. I'm not terribly against Hunger as a system but it's very limiting in ways that I don't find as enjoyable. Frequent feeding as an issue is interesting but the way the game handles it feels more like a punishment for trying to use disciplines than a cool interaction. Of course, not everyone needs or wants to be a humanity 9/10 autistic vampire but giving players options and then punishing them for it doesn't feel the best to me. Unfortunately, I'm a forever ST so what can I do

>>724887210
Oh no the theater kid has to play a game

>>724887841
V5 is literally for theater kids who don't want to roll dice

>>724887841
I don't mind playing the game but I do mind getting cucked for wanting to play Vampire

>>724887907
All you do is roll dice in V5 my dude especially compared to V20. Unless the ST decides something auto passes or fails but that's nothing new for TTRPGs

Look at the retard complaining about rolling hunger dice

>>724887479
only problem with blood points is entire system feels like a gas tank you occasionally have to stop and refuel. feeding should not just be an arbitrary dice roll that nets you X blood points.

>>724887989
>plays a vampire game
>gets mad when he has to actually hunt like a vampire

what was lost

>>724888048
yeah, instead it's an arbitrary dice roll that slacks X hunger

>>724887841
Retard

>>724888193
No, now it's something you actually have to do (feed) instead of something you just ignored unless you wanted to use disciplines

>>724882752
>Backstab them for what ? it's not like your old hunting buddies are gonna accept your new working hours and dietary restrictions
We're talking about spooks. Having a vampire agent they can have control over is a great thing. All the pesky things that come with vampirism can be negated. Blood? Here'a a blood bag bought by the taypayer. Money? You're working a government job. Constant backstabing? Don't fuck up and they won't kill you, simple.

>>724888023
If you roll dice a lot the game becomes unplayable unless you ignore messy criticals. You are straight up encouraged to "take half" instead of rolling.

>>724888126
I will NEVER forgive paracox

>>724888048
>feeding should not just be an arbitrary dice roll that nets you X blood points.
Ehh, debatable. Do you have a moral quandary whenever you make yourself a sandwich? I have a feeling the older a vampire gets the more mechanical it all becomes to him.

>>724888126
Now post naked Elif.

>>724887581
>>724887841
We get it Paco, a theater kid fucked the girl you were too pussy to ask out in high school. Get over it.

>>724888367
>If you roll dice a lot the game becomes unplayable unless you ignore messy criticals.
Only an issue if you arent managing your hunger.

>>724888126
wait what I only saw that other generic looking egirl bitch, this girl is actually hot. what a downgrade of bitches we got in the actual game, jesus fucking hell

>>724888287
you roll
then you slack hunger

>>724888106
>My Tremere wants to do a little bit of blood magic that he was made for
>For some reason this should turn my dude into an irrational retard every now and then
Hunting dudes isn't an issue
>>724888048
Gas tank design I think is somewhat superior to random onset psychosis. If hunger was maybe closer to like 6-8 total points and your first 1 or 2 were freebies the system would be okay

>>724870783 (OP)
The first game is a buggy mess with generic 2000s PC writing (table top nerds trying to write Buffy) and terrible gameplay so it's not like the bar was high to begin with.

>>724888470
Wow its almost like theres a mechanic in the TT game that addresses this (humanity).

Secondaries who don't play should stay out of TTRPG discussions

>>724888287
Nta but how is this different? You have to feed to exist and use disciplines, otherwise you ignore it. The only thing different is that now you do it more and it still doesn't help because you can only do one thing reliably before the hunger and crit issue snowballs. Before you could feed and be able to do 3-4 things without your character losing it and doing stupid shit because they rolled to well on a dex stealth with 2 hunger so now they fuck it up and cause a masquerade breach instead.

>>724888608
Gas tank design isnt lore accurate. Rapid onset retardation from not feeding is.

>>724888542
yeah, by killing

>>724872885
It’s a definite Return to Form

>>724888287
You still had to feed normally in V20, it's a blood point a day to just wake up
>>724888542
>hunger management
is just code for "eat ze bugs, don't do cool vamp shit"
Why even play a vampire if you aren't using disciplines? Why bother counting humanity if your character is an irresponsible retard for using disciplines anyway? You're just playing a normal guy that has to go feed every now and then. It's not like feeding is some moral conundrum between blood bags, animals, and sucking off the homeless

>>724888680
>Before you could feed and be able to do 3-4 things without your character losing it and doing stupid shit
You never had to worry about your character losing it and doing stupid shot because there wasn't a mechanic for hunger and managing the Beast until V5.

>>724888542
You can go into a complicated mission on Hunger 1, it's irrelevant because you can either do nothing or get higher Hunger and higher Hunger makes you a liability.

>>724888727
If a vampire had to feed literally every day there would be an insane amount of random deaths and masquerade breaches

>>724888023
>>724888367
rolling dice is not good or bad, but it's meant to be meaningful, which V5 accomplishes, people hate on v5 for fucking with the metaplot that they liked to follow like a web series, but mechanically it does some good things.

>>724876760
>>724878726
still wakes the deep is their only game I enjoyed

>>724888608
>Gas tank design I think is somewhat superior to random onset psychosis. If hunger was maybe closer to like 6-8 total points and your first 1 or 2 were freebies the system would be okay
This basically. The fact that once you hit 2 you start messy critting even if you mean to reroll 10s makes it so that you're constantly avoiding using vampire powers in a vampire game.

>>724888818
Oh no poor me I cant do anything because my hunger goes up by one point when I use a discipline IF I fail a 50/50 coin toss and then dont feed while I continually lose 50/50 coin tosses because I'm an idiot

>>724888542
Messy criticals makes sense in W:tA where you supernaturally can make people shit their pants and just forget about you, but it's silly in V5 with all of it's focus on retaining your humanity to not go insane and also the whole masquerade thing

>>724888960
>people hate on v5 for fucking with the metaplot
Wrong, people (LARPers in particular) hate hunger

>>724888824
you couldn't have more dice in your virtues pool than you had in your blood pool dipshit
also hunger checks at 7-Selfcontrol
read the books

sorry, but vampire was never meant to be X-MEN at night

>>724888960
You can roll dice in V20 too, the issue isn't that dice shouldn't be meaningful but rather that dice shouldn't restrict you from being an actual vampire. 5 hunger is way too restrictive

>>724889138
Still not a hunger mechanic.

>>724888919
this, frankly the masquerade and any kind of kindred society still existing in v5 is ridiculous
like if you had all the npcs roll for everything with the same rules the whole thing falls apart like a house of cards

>>724889224
you don't exist
I said it so it's true

>>724889086
anon, V5 is literally FOR larpers who just want to act out melodrama

>>724889169
>All the NPCs get to use the cool disciplines because the game takes place in 2006 instead of 2018 or something while your local neonate gets to wallow in self-pity and work a dead end job
It doesn't need to be X-men but playing a nerfed human isn't exactly engaging either

>>724889183
Being an actual vampire for you means using magic powers? I thought Being an actual vampire meant dealing with hunger for blood and other vampire stuff.

>>724889169
And this is why VtM is not suited for games that are not basically CRPG dialogue heavy games like Planescape/Disco Elysium. A lot of the stories are the intrigue and interactions with other kindred and navigating the world with mortals. It’s also got to have a story about avoiding the beast within but modern games cater to zoomers who need to run around and punch everything.

>>724889183
>having to drink people's blood or go insane stops you from being a vampire
Nigga what do you think before you post

>>724889347
No no no no no I have to use my disciplines I have to!!!!! And if I have to feed on people then it's not a good vampire thing why can't I do my dnd capeshit in V5 reeeeee

>>724889232
>Elder with blood potency of 5 rolls around
>Needs to regularly kill people every single day or else he goes batshit crazy and kills 5 more people
It would be a disaster to enforce the masquerade as well as the setting says they do. The entire system is meant to look cool and entertaining for a table rather than get played

>>724889169
I like it when it's Shadowrun with fangs but that's now impossible, everything turns into a clusterfuck and the better you are at something the more likely you are to have a bad result, holy fuck messy criticals are the most idiotic mechanic in this game.

>>724889526
>I like it when it's Shadowrun with fangs but that's now impossible
Go play Shadowrun then and keep your stupid opinions away from WoD

>>724889346
Vampire stuff IS using magic vampire powers while dealing with the hunger, but you don't see Dracula go like
>OH NO I TURNED INTO A BAT NOW I NEED TO FEED AIIIIIIIII
The way the game treats your character. Sure you can feel free to ignore that and then be a complete retard for the rest of the players at the table when you inevitably frenzy and fuck something up, or just pretend you're a normie who needs blood and not have any fun

>>724889305
Really because the dude fuming about V5 in this thread just sounds mad that he cant larp as a basically a superhero in vtm because he has to feed

>>724889232
>>724889479
High blood requirement actually makes a vampire association make more sense, it's like a blood mafia, the need to secure blood sources increases the tension and drives vampires to action, otherwise most vampires would just vegetate around and suck a random person once in a while.

>>724889347
>play a setting where you are a leech with super powers
>willingly force your player to ignore having super powers or else they get a bad outcome they had no control over
Disciplines are intrinsic to the setting, I can understand needing to feast regularly if you use them regularly but your guy deciding to use dominate a single time shouldn't make him crave blood so badly he can't think

>>724880839
saved

>>724889625
Actually "the coterie on a mission to fix a Masquerade breach" is a staple of VtM, shit like breaking in and erasing evidence or changing memories, things that someone is presumably doing so that the setting continues to exist. Try doing a complicated version of this with V5 rules, it doesn't work unless you are very lucky.

>>724888919
>>724889232
There are like 30 vampires in multi million city, rule of thumb is 1 vampire per 100k people.

>>724889773
Yes that's true but the industrial quantities of blood you'd need at some point would make the whole operation more open than simply have a blood supply mafia

>>724889683
there's a difference between having to feed and having to feed several times a day

>>724889669
And thats not what happens in V5 either you disingenuous boy

>>724889892
Supposed to be closer to 1 per 10k no? There was a number in the book though ultimately it's up to the ST

>>724889952
When are you using so many disciplines that you need to do this regularly? Vtm isn't supposed to be a combat heavy game are you trying to run shit like its dnd?

>>724889892
thats still like 11k deaths per city per year which someone is definitely going to notice
NYC doesn't even hit 1k

>>724889869
That has absolutely nothing to do with what was being talked about

>>724889773
>>724889935
In one of the COYAs the Camarilla is running an ICE migrant detention setting as a blood farm.

>>724890086
You know there are plenty of non combat powers that you'd use for investigation or memory fuckery or what have you. And besides combat does happen, if you get attacked you can't run around and go feed on people so that you can keep fighting. How does a Sheriff even exist in V5, he'd fuck up most of his jobs if he had to roll like a player.

>>724890163
The CYOA is also a lot more liberal in terms of blood requirements for your character and NPCs though and ignores blood potency almost completely. Your character shouldn't be able to feed from animals entirely
>>724890086
Using 1-2 disciplines during an actual session of gameplay is pretty reasonable and statistically requires you to feed if you don't want to deal with hunger dice, if your ST wants to do a particularly long event though better hope you have blood bags ready

>>724890398
On average using 2 disciplines results in hunger going up by 1. Hardly sounds like an issue.

>>724889968
>wake up
>rouse check
>turn into a bat
>rouse check
>dominate a dude (optional)
>rouse check
Maintaining the Masquerade would be exponentially more difficult if all the rules on blood potency and hunger were actual mechanics

>>724890008
Book states that preffered density is 1 per 100k. Of course Anarchs and Sabbat cities will have more vampires because of no rules against random embraces, or in case of sabbat mass embraces.

>>724870783 (OP)
>Only thing that Clan decides is which feeding passive you get
>Ventrue's passive is just flat out better than all the others

>>724890453
that's actually a lot considering you start with 1 hunger if you don't kill people, you get +0.5 hunger a day and 3 is the most you can have and still function decently

>>724889773
>a blood mafia
Look guys! Another retard who keeps pedalling the opinion he listened from a Youtuber!

>>724890590
That's pretty interesting but between Anarchs and the Sabat that are still going to be in a city there will be more you'd think

>>724870783 (OP)
First game was shit, second is shit.

>>724890937
Retard zoomer.

>>724890130
Look at how V5 cucks won't respond to you after you destroyed their whole trash game with simple math LMAO

>>724891107
(You)

>>724891081
Get some good taste, vampirefag.

>>724888818
>is just code for "eat ze bugs, don't do cool vamp shit"
Correct. The whole of V5 is a dogwhistle to tear down power fantasies from players and turn the game into a snorefest and idpol garbage.

>>724891107
>>724890130
I still think it would be ridiculous but isn't this assuming every Vampire is going to be some ancillae/elder with high blood potency? I'd think the number would be a bit lower

>>724891171
>broccolihead microtransaction addicted gachaslop TikTokcuck talking about anyone else's taste

>>724891156
Please don't respond V5 cuck, nobody wants to hear your garbage opinion anyway.

>>724891346
It's not like elders have dedicated herds to drink from and don't have to go to nightclub and dominate random drunk slut to get their blood.

>>724884762
You are very ass mad that anyone likes BL2 even a little.

>>724891346
You would end up killing a bajillion people anyway because the way hunger works in V5 is retarded. They tried to nerf vampires and made it 100% more stupid. That's what happens when you do something to follow an ideological agenda instead of being fun.

>>724891529
V5 Elders need to kill to get blood I think, you'd think someone would notice. All the V5 games make it seem like a big deal when a person goes missing
>>724891667
A high amount sure, possibly only something that wouldn't get noticed in some criminal wasteland I'd think

>>724884902
imagine she trying and failing to reach your neck

>>724870783 (OP)
>~12 hour game
>~6 hours as Phyre
>~6 hours as Fabien
>DLC with ~3 hours as Benny
>DLC with ~3 hours as Ysabella
>Playing as your protagonist unironically has less content than playing as other characters
What did they mean by this?

>>724892013
Sex with Yumiella Dorkness!

>>724892013
You guys think Benny or Ysabella's DLCs will be any good now that they should know what works and doesn't work in the game?

>>724891809
>V5 Elders need to kill to get blood I think
From what I remember about elders in V5 didn't they all fucked off to middle east for "muh gehenna"? So nobody would notice bajilion arabs going missing among ISIS, Taliban, Hamas and Israel fuckery.
Only vampires left in America and Europe are gay muslim anarchs. Might be mistaken because I haven't touched V5 after main rulebook.

>>724892148
>You guys think Benny or Ysabella's DLCs will be any good
Fuck no.
>now that they should know what works and doesn't work in the game?
Forcing you to play as other characters DOESN'T work so again, fuck no. What a retarded fucking idea.

>>724892148
No, I think these already only exist so that Paradox can claim to have something for the premium edition after they were forced to put Toreador and Lasombra in the base game. And they'll just be short linear walking sims because that's all TCR knows or wants to make.

>>724892148
>Spend TWO FUCKING YEARS working on nothing but Fabien content
>Immediately scramble to make Fabien content skippable post-launch
>Decide to use your DLC budget on making more Fabien-style retard content where you don't even play as the main character

>>724892168
There's still a couple of around, not a huge amount depending on the property but gen 6-7 is still sometimes around. Anyway the reason the Beckoning doesn't produce any bodies is because the elders are going there to get vored. You'd think the thousands of Sabbat members who followed them there would be fucking shit up though

>>724870783 (OP)

I'm Just gonna say it. Bloodlines 2 was fucking dogshit, but you know what? So was the first game. It was like a 3/10 at best. It looks awful, plays even worse, the music is trash, the voice acting sounds like total amateurs and there is very little about the game that is redeeming, except maybe it's 6 fucking hours long so you don't have to suffer through too much if you just want to finish it.

>>724892168
They backpedalled on that and now a lot of Elders stayed.

>>724892374
This was what Paradox wanted or something like that
>We produced the game exactly to Paradox's specifications
Might be deflection from the guy who knew the game wouldn't be very good
>>724892373
iirc there was a full refund for the Tory/Lasombra pre-order
>>724892264
Yeah I'd figure it'd be shit too

>>724892393
Okay shill. You aren't fooling anyone.

>>724892393
The first game was good actually. And a lot less buggy than 2 even.

>>724877271
It's okay. Playing it on solo ruthless and I'm almost at the final boss - don't repeat my mistake and speed up the timers when you set up your server

>>724879343
low IQ

>>724892393
Kill yourself

>>724892391
>o get vored.
LMAO even MORE nerfing? explain that shit please

>>724892148
B-b-but how will I know where to go or what to do without the writer-stroke-guide in my head instructing me at every moment?

>>724892148
I think the character specific DLC is a bad decision.
It's clear they needed more content where you play as phyre, and much better side content.
Neither of those upcoming DLCs address those issues.

>>724892673
The sleeping Ante's and Methuselah basically send out a psychic signal that beckons low gen elders there to get eaten by their sire/grandsire as they require much more potent blood to wake up. Elders are pretty helpless against this signal, though it seems to not affect high gen vamps

>>724892904
>>724892852
Probably but it'd might be the only chance for the game to actually have content that's actually moderately engaging. That's just my take on it though but I expect a walking sim anyway

>724892393
Bait need to be believable.

>>724879343
Well you see if only conservative white men made video games, there would be no micro transactions.
All the good things you loved about video games? Made by conservative white men.
Any bad things you don't like about video games? Exclusively the fault of everyone except conservative white men.

>>724892148
I don't think there's time to do it, even if they had the ability to

>>724893037
Well, that's just boring. I guess V5 can't deliver even for that.

>>724892608
>speed up the timers when you set up your server
What timers? A timer for upgrading enemies or what?

>>724893210
Well, there's a reason no one likes the Beckoning outside of maybe having the Camarilla politics be less oppressive to PCs

>>724878965
Atmosphere (for all that's worth), character design and powers are all pretty good. It is also faaaar less outright pearl clutching faggotry than the ttrpg community and I will never not laugh at the dudes yelling "I'm going to fuck you in the ass so hard" and "Fuck I love yuro sluts like you" to my male vampire as they follow me into an alley only to have the audio mess up and play the female moaning sounds as I feed on them.

>>724892148
>Benny DLC
>dialogue scene
>go there and kill X thinbloods
>repeat for 3 hours

>>724893403
>flashback to 1920s Benny after every combat

>>724893403
You'd think if they were ever going to shove a different splat into the game Benny would be a good opportunity

>>724891667
>follow an ideological agenda instead of being fun
What's the ideological agenda behind nerfing vampires? Humanism?

>>724893541
Hes having a schizo moment clearly

Vampires needed to feed is idpol apparently

Must suck to live as buck broken as he does, seeing your SJW boogeyman around every corner

>>724893541
Anti-power fantasy dogwhistle. Peruse the thread and you will see the V5 shills that anyone who wants to play a proper vampire instead of a hobo with fangs is a superhero.

>>724870783 (OP)
I fucking hate you guys for making vtmb mods lame and blackpilling me! FUCK YOU I LIKE THE OUTFIT CHANGES CAUSE THEY LOOK COOL, THE REASON FINAL NIGHTS EXIST IS TO OVERHAUL THE GAME IF YOU'RE TIRED OF VANILLA. WHY MUST YOU ALL TAKE AWAY FROM FUCKING FUN!!!!

>>724893706
>seeing your SJW boogeyman around every corner

>>724893796
Why didn't they just make him a Brujah

>>724892542

Nah, the first game was bad and has aged like dogshit.
But the second game is undoubtedly worse. I honestly cannot think of anything positive to say about it really. It's probably got some of the worst combat in any game I've ever experienced. The writing was laughable and half the plot was basically filler, a huge chunk of the game was a fucking walking simulator, the side content was laughably low effort, I don't remember anything about the music and although it was fairly short it quickly felt like a fucking chore to play.

>>724893796
What does this have to do with hunger, which is what we were talking about

>>724893826
have to make him extra gay and a walking masquerade violation

>>724878965
it's fun to kiss my enemies and watch them kill each other

>>724893895
>shill already backpedalling

What's a game like this but good?

>>724894126
The first VTMB

>>724894193
1 is nothing like this game, nice try

>>724894126
Game like this in what way? Action RPG? Imsim elements? Aesthetics?

>>724893714
dumb power fantasy is gay, look at VTMB2 was marketed as le elder vampire power fantasy and it's garbage

>>724894223
Action RPG I guess. How the hell does this have any immsim immsim elements?

>>724879225
I played Lasombra and didn't like it that much. It's all ambush predator, which sounds cool in writing but isn't in gameplay where you're constantly panic dashing away from enemies to find a rest spot.

>>724894386
>V5 garbage
>Powerfantasy
Nice try tho

>>724870783 (OP)
So does this game include a murder mystery that never gets definitively solved?

>>724882742

it's story is pretty good. Best game story of 2025.

>>724894612
Yep. Why?

>>724894492
>Styled after Dishonored
It's a game that wants to be an imsim and yet doesn't do any of it. If I had to say which games are most like this but handle it better
>Deus Ex and the reboot's 1st game
>Vampyr (not very polished though)
>Dishonored
Ultimately it's hard to say because of what this game does well (cool powers and serviceable gameplay) is a bit generic and it's held up by being WoD and having goodish atmosphere. Devs are very vocal about their inspiration by things like Bioshock and Dishonored though

>>724893863
You've never played the first game, you stupid Indian shill.

>>724894220
well yea, it's good

>>724895232

I've literally been replaying it. Just got to downtown. Which is where the game really starts getting shit.

>>724895327
>SAR I HAVE BEEN DOING THE NEEDFUL
You're not fooling anyone, shill.

>>724895279
Meant for >>724882823

>>724895379
Stop responding to obvious bait. He fucking said the game gets worse in downtown, how much more blatant does it have to be before you stop giving it (you)s?

>>724895379

Screenshot I just took.

>>724895327
Game doesn't get bad until Hollywood really, Downtown is still pretty interesting. It's just
>and then there were sewers

>>724895547
>SAR I AM BAD AT THE GAME SAR
>SO THE GAME SAR IS BEING BAD SAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>724895602

I've never played a game with a good sewers area to be fair. Even Bloodlines 2 has a fucking awful sewers area.

>>724895679
I mean Bloodlines 2 is awful in general so the sewers don't really feel any different.

>>724895679
Haha I thought they must have been fucking kidding when I got to the sewers in 2

>>724895679
>'ve never played a game with a good sewers area
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ig-Hd8tczU

>>724895679
I keep trying to come up with an example but even in a game that has an inoffensive sewer like Sly Cooper for some missions it still manages to be some of the worst

I hate the ppl who shill and I hate the ppl who scream about shills. btw i’m a shill

>no manual saves allowed
>one save per game only
Why does almost every modern vtm/wod game have one of these?

>>724896236
probably because theyre in the walking sim dev mindset

How good is the Toreador clan?

>>724896285
>>724896236
I have to admit that's the only aspect people bring up as negative that I didn't have a problem with. Do you wanna reload saves to do story events over without replaying the whole game? It's not like anything changes because it's not an RPG

>>724896378
i havent played but if theres upgrades and currency i can see why ppl would want saves

>>724896651
Oh yeah reloading if an ability turns out to be shit, I can see that
Anyway just to be clear, there are no "upgrades" of any kind. You can buy different clan disciplines but they never get any stronger

>>724896378
Happens in the other games as well, most notably the CYOA games (some of them are fucking massive if you include DLC).

>>724870783 (OP)
apparently they thought the only way left to peddle that dogshit is pretending to hate it
kys btw

>>724897093
Do you know who the fuck I am?
Don't ever fucking speak to me in that tone again you little fuck. Do you fucking understand me?

>>724897291
That reminds me, I liked the dominate effect in 2. For that dude who asked earlier if there was even one good aspect

>>724892148
I think Benny's DLC will be cool because I liked the VA for him and his connection to Max seemed interesting enough but it'll probably be the combat focused DLC.
Ysabella DLC just sounds dreadfully fucking boring and I have no faith in that one

>>724897664
You don't want an entire fucking game that's just like Fabien's garbage sections with nothing to take the edge off? Why ever for, anon?

>>724897664
>his connection to Max seemed interesting enough
How? It's just a normal sire-childe relationship except the nog looks like a 13 year old cause that's when he got embraced

>>724896726

Technically not true, but the game poorly explains it.
You actually have hidden stats and every clan has different starting stats. Everytime you get 1000 xp and level up, you get a tiny bit stronger. It is almost unnoticeable though and the only way you can even tell it's happening is by looking at your health bar.
The health bar has dividing marks on it. If each one of these dividers is 100 health, then as a Tremere I started with around 200 health, and by the end of the game had probably 350ish.

I never saw it explained at all in the game, but you do level up and you do get stronger, abilities included. But it's so marginal you'll never notice.

>>724898228
That is fucking retarded

>>724898228
The healthbar gets bigger from doing the graffitis. If you've ever been at low health when removing one, you know
Now stop making shit up nigger

>>724898337
You are fucking retarded

>>724898421
Let me summarize your post for you then
You observed that your healthpool becomes larger over your playtime. You drew the conclusion that this must be from level-ups (but have never observed your healthpool actually get larger on a level-up). You then further concluded that the abilities must also be getting stronger, while ALSO saying that it's too marginal to ever notice, which means you cannot have any evidence of this claim
Meanwhile, I saw my healthbar increase when I removed a graffiti
Seethe more

>>724898337

Maybe they do add health, I don't know. But you absolutely do get stronger as you level up.
Tremeres fourth ability summons 4 blood knives you can throw at enemies. When I first got it, it would do about 50% damage to the fat guys. By the end of the game it was doing 65-70% damage to them.

It barely fucking mattered though because the increased damage makes no actual difference. Weak enemies die in 1 hit, bigger guys die in 2 and some strong enemies die in 3. You'll never get enough damage to 1 shot the fat guys or 2 shot the stronger enemies.

>>724898618
Not reading all that shit. You lost.

>>724898689
The fat guys take at least 3 daggers at the end of the game

>>724898939
Nevermind just realized you probably didn't play on hard

>>724898939

I was always 2 shotting them on normal difficulty. The only ones I couldn't 2 shot were the annoying enemies that could do shit like dodge or turn invisible, they'd take 3.

>>724899031
Yeah see >>724899017
And fuck those invisible niggers

>>724890882
how's the camarilla not a bloody racket?

I dropped the game after trying to force myself through it at the nossy bossfight who jihads himself, can someone gimme a tldr on the plot?

>>724899817
>Safia loves Gideon
>Gideon found out that Lou was responsible for the rebar killings and went to confront her
>obviously Lou fucks him up, stakes him, and leaves him in the underground
>Safia can't just save him for some reason that is never explained
>instead she hatches a plan where she gives Gideon a new body
>puts le epic blood ritual marks on the Nomad's body, plan is to have Gideon diablerize him and inhabit the body
>plan fails cause Fabien opens the box and gets eaten instead, starting the events of the game
>Sofia's plan B is a giant blood ritual or some shit, doesn't really matter cause it only exists to have a final boss fight

>>724899817
It's dumb as fuck, seriously. Basically the old prince wants to be prince again, and faggotry ensues

>>724900090
>>724900092
its genuinely at the point where safia's plot is so retarded that its the final bossfight because reasons

>>724896945
I understand why the CYOA have the single save as much as I hate it le whole
>live with the consequences
Since even the failure moves the plot forward and it preserves tension, but I do hate how long the replays end up

>>724900090
>>724900092
I have no words. Glad i dropped it

>>724900306
The only remotely interesting thing is that it turns out Fabien has solved the rebar killings many times, and always gets dominated by Lou or Campbell to forget about it when he reports it

>>724900367
>he gets mindwiped
>he gets back to doing it by mind controlling a guy to be the new dude
He's persistent at least. Too bad he's kind of boring, like a Skyrim NPC. Maybe if he had the same sort of weird self-absorbed speech that Noir protagonists have he would be more entertaining

>>724900367
why dont they just get rid of him at this point

>>724900559
He works for the PD and helps keep the Camarilla hidden.

>>724900491
His dialogue is like noir dialogue but made for the mythical modern audience, yet at the same time trying really hard not to be too quippy cause fucking everyone hates capeshit by now. He's still annoying as hell
>>724900559
Just before the game kicks off, Campbell does say that maybe this time Fabien has finally outlived his usefulness and plans to kill him, which is why Fabien revives Phyre to kill both of them

>>724900626
This also begs the question, how the FUCK did they not realize the same dude has been working at the same police department for 100 years, was that ever explained?

>>724900750
I think there is a throwaway line in one of the early flashbacks about his personnell files being updated or something. His boss is also a vampire
But yeah I often wonder about that. At some point they have to either be so reclusive that no one notices the old guy isn't aging, or pretend they're their own son or something, right?

>>724900650
Havent watched memento in maybe 10 years, guess ill watch it tonite again

>>724900090
Safia, Gideon and Fabien are TCR writer's personal ocs I believe

>>724900696
>trying really hard not to be too quippy
Eh. I guess I notice there is some restraint but a lot of his dialogue ends up in the post-ironic type of quippyness like with him talking about his ideology but without making a strong point. I don't want to retread the Silverhand discussion again but Fabien is actively made to not be abrasive in ways that hold back the character. Like, even a hardcore leftist can be interesting if he plays up the insane commie or liberal stuff without being a fag about it. Silverhand himself is pretty leftist too and he's well liked. The mediocre voice work doesn't help either

>>724901359
Yeah I gave up on reading any of his solo dialogue when I talked to a filing cabinet and every time the cabinet "said" anything, it was followed by 3 lines of Fabien making shit jokes

>>724901532
I find Malk things like that a bit weird with the higher fidelity graphics compared to 1. Like when the TV talks to you it's pretty comical because of the models and in here it's just looks too normal

i'd say i want my time back but it's my fault i didn't drop it

>>724900092
how did lou even stop being a prince?
why step down in favor of her ghoul?

>>724903786
>Sandoosh Mumbai
>Pringesh Prada
>Mumbadumba Sukdeep
>Anil Takdik
Every time

what was wrong with Gideon that Safia couldn't fix?
why did Gideon start talking to people after so long?
when did Safia figure out Gideon is alive after all?
why is it never explained how the nomad got torpored? am i supposed to just not care about that?

>>724903862
>Got post-death dementationed by Gideon and Safia
>Probably got unnerved Fabien kept solving the case
She still ruled from the shadows but I think she just wanted someone else to be the target if everything blew up in her face. Realistically Gideon could have called one of the Justice niggas in the Camarilla considering that Lou wasn't exactly subtle with her bullshit

>>724904030
just a subcontractor making level props, but i thought it'd be good ragebait
really, though, it's shocking how many subcontracors worked on this
also surprised hardsuit labs aren't mentioned in any quality
not even a thanks or something

I think it's a good game and alot of fun

https://youtu.be/lPsQ6gZH-6s

>>724884773
>TCR turned Sabbat into Chaos worshippers.
In hindsight, the main villain should have been Baali instead of the sabbat trying to make a demon possess an Eldar would have made more sense than whatever was going on between Safia and Gideon

>>724904608
>Either TCR or Paradox reading more than surface level lore
Baali would have been pretty based though

>>724882806
>>724884773

>Btw why are the sabbat treated like the sith in this game?
i was weirded out by this but i thought it's just V5 changing things up

>>724904172
>why is it never explained how the nomad got torpored?
If you read between the lines, Safia did it, or she was involved in obtaining the body. She has been working on The Nomad for decades trying to perfect the mark.

There's placeholder sample dialogue for Fabien in the files where he has a southern drawl like a cattle rustling Frank Underwood.

>>724904837
Sort of is. The Sabbat (formal) aren't really around in non-Sabbat territory because their gay Jyhad ended up happening over the Beckoning and their leadership fractured with Lasombra joining the Camarilla. Even weirder is how the game treats the Anarchs as irresponsible insane people who just ghoul whoever they find and fuck off

>the serial killer makes no sense because all the other killings are just a red herring they committed to direct attention away from the one murder they actually wanted to commit
this is some incredibly shitty writing in a murder mystery

>>724893403
It'll probably change because this is VERY early development stuff, but here is the prelim objective list from Benny's DLC.

also, is the
>Fabien copycatting the rebar killer to remind himself he still has to solve the case
explanation the one we're supposed to go believe?

>>724905093
>You just get dicked around by NPCs and fight in two locations
Yeah it really is hopeless huh

Just finished the game, where the fuck is Lou? Did I miss a plot thread somewhere, the ending has the gay Nossy becoming prince

>>724905093
I honestly hope everyone at the Chinese Room gets murdered.

>>724905149
That's the one the game spells out for you

why didn't they just kill fabien?

>>724905149
Fabien being the killer is the most likely explanation. But it really points to something deeper wrong with him. Fabien is not a nice vampire. His genial mask slips quite frequently. When you kill civilians he sometimes chuckles and says, "Just a human." Or when you kill police, "The thin blue line just got a bit thinner." Fabien is a killer. He is not a crime solving detective. That's just his delusion, his projection. What he does is ruthlessly murder people the court tells him to murder. That is his purpose. And he invents this whole crime fighting skitzo facade to rationalize what he's doing. Every Fabien flashback is varying degrees of bullshit. That's why there is a deliberate contradiction between Fabien's scent trail and what Fabien claims he did that night. One cannot help noticing that Fabien's scent led straight to the headless thinblood on the roof. Fabien weaves this web of bullshit around himself to disguise what he really is. Gotta work our caseload, gotta solve the crimes, gee, I feel like I'm forgetting something but I'm just Fabien the detective. Did I mention I'm a detective?

>>724905382
so he...developed a 2nd personaly with Potence and Celerity to set up the killings?
and then he made himself forget about it?

am i just not supposed to be hung up on the details?

>>724905512
>One cannot help noticing that Fabien's scent led straight to the headless thinblood on the roof.
Wasn't that benny's scent?
I don't remember tbx.

>>724874305
wtf i love roasties now

>>724905551
You aren't supposed to get hung up on details, but he used dementation/dominate or whatever schizoidshit the Malks have to set up a 2nd string of murders and provide a chain of evidence that lets him solve the case. He is a Malkavian afterall, so even a 2nd personality isn't outside the realm of belief. Personally I think you just aren't supposed to really get too engrossed in the particulars of how he did it

>>724888126
So what actually happened in development? I was avoiding threads for a while

>>724905798
>HSL can't produce a working open world game and just has a bunch of disconnected level snippets and pre-made ingame videos
>gets fired and all the work scrapped
>Paradox desperate and hires TCR for cheap thanks to Sumo
>they remake whatever wasn't scrapped and just make an entirely different game on the cheap

>>724882412
Faggot post

Now name their clans

>>724883742
That's literally the ending of pic related. The sequel was better

>I share this board with people who actually bought this trash
I am disappoint.

>>724906358
>bought
lul

>>724905682
No, the scent trail from the apartment to the roof then down is Fabien's. The game's director even points out that the scent trails contradict the flashbacks.

>>724891925
I imagine she'd jump on me and cling like a spider monkey.

>>724906460
Right, I should have said played. I doubt this got cracked that quickly though. I don't know why anyone would waste time with it in general.

>>724884773
>TCR turned Sabbat into Chaos worshippers. Because Sabbat actually has some fucking structure as loose as it is. And even they aren't this stupid evil to approve of Safia's gonzo plan, because that would mean the death of of them.
What makes you think the Sabbat leadership approved anything Safia and her circle were doing? You didn't notice that Ysabella's "friends" were really angry with her for what she did?

>>724905954
For all of them, it could be Toreador because they are comedians. It could be Malkavian because they are mentally ill. It could be Nosferatu for one of them, I won't say which, because they are a disgusting subhuman.

There's interesting stuff in the code. TK was originally one of Dale's thinblood alchemy potions and you had to drink the potion to refill it. That's why you mysteriously have TK. It's not a clan ability. It's something Dale cooked up.

>>724905954
Jade Falcon, Diamond Shark, and Ghost Bear

>>724906919
just like that one time in the game when you could have used your hands but couldn't and had to drink that shit

>>724900090

Safia ends diablerized with Phyre

>>724881184
Tcr is trying its hardest to push this chick

So based on the files, there is going to be a Christmas update and a Valentine's day update with new cosmetics. Now, that probably means that the first major post-release improvement patch is going to release by Christmas.

Nine weeks from October 21 to just before Christmas. That's enough time to make some design improvements.

>>724907886
nobody cares shill

>>724908115
I care because they might add some fun dates as part of the Valentine's update where Safia orders me to wear a vibrating buttplug.

>the vampire detective had his office in the police department headquarters for who knows how long
>nobody considered it weird that he was only seen at night

>>724908807
The bethesda meme also comes to mind
>what does he eat?

>>724905954
>nick
toreador
>bug
toreador
>cool adam
toreador
>'thousand island stare'
toreador

>>724892393
>It looks awful, plays even worse, the music is trash, the voice acting sounds like total amateurs
None of which applies to the first game.

If you treat it like a chaos run of dishonored-lite, it's pretty fun. Combat is more fun when you individually map the various kicking options. Flying across the map to drop kick the final boss was fun. Side quests are pointless once you have the skills you want. There should have been a way to use more abilities at the same time. Choices don't really matter save for like 3, all end game. The real failing of this game was latching itself to bloodlines instead of just being a "Vampire: The Masquerade" game. They should rename it.

>>724908181
Being a faggot makes it a lot more believable you'd like this shitty game.

>>724908807
>>the vampire detective had his office in the police department headquarters for who knows how long
His office is a store-room with a post-it note on the door reading "Detective Fabien".

>>724908807
>>724908980
>what is the graveyard shift

>>724870887
>>724883703
interestingly, it looks like Tremere is the only clan that has (short) ranged melee attack, implying that the 2 finger punches are actually some sort of magical ability, I though it was a bug

>>724901005
still holds up so well

>>724901005
>>724910862
What's it about? Is it any good?

>>724873241
>saving MSpaint comics as genuine reinforcement of your beliefs
certified retard moment

>>724910957
>Guy with a condition that makes him unable to form any new memory tries and find the killer of his wife

It's nolans second ever movie and alongside the prestige his best work.

>>724905093
>just rethreading the steps you already know he did with likely nothing new or interesting revealed
I thought they were supposed to be good at stories at least?

>>724912492
We didn't know that Benny was tailing Damsel, nor that he was in communication with The Gardener or that he knew Fabien's ghouls/informants.

>>724911137
Thanks anon I'll check it out

>>724910561
every clan has slightly different attacks

>>724905324
You made a random dialogue choice that affected the story, god forbid you change your opinions AFTER dealing with these characters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xRCZePzzqM

How did this happen.
This looks better in every way.

>>724915714
Crazy its the same haven layout yet they managed to make everything absolutely worse

>>724915714
People shat on it at the time, and for good reason, it looked awful. It was also totally fake, and not in the usual way, they didn't have a functional game. Paradox eventually fired them because they were straight up lying about milestones and trying to get away with smoke and mirror canned gameplay. You can hate VTMB2 but this nostalgia for Hardsuit is just faggy.

>>724915714
Is that the same voice actor for the TV? Based

>>724915938
I see, wasn't aware of the conniving going on

Truly a rock and a hard place, fucking cursed ass IP

>>724916040
>>724915938
It's more so just Paradox was terrible at betting and thought they could get a sequel to Bloodlines for cheap instead of hiring a studio that had a real pedigree for this stuff or trying to assemble Troika again. Which probably would have been MUCH better in the long term. No clue why Paradox thought some random dudes who never made a full game before could deliver an ambitious rpg

>>724915714
Watching this makes me realize that the entire Seattle map is fucking flat, holy shit lmao

>>724915938
>Paradox eventually fired them because they were straight up lying about milestones and trying to get away with smoke and mirror canned gameplay
I see a pattern here

THE GAME SUCKS, END OF STORY

>reading the hunter books
>find out there was a news ticker for the end of the series
damn this is kino.
https://web.archive.org/web/20040402100434fw_/http://www.timeofjudgment.com/newsticker.html

>>724916409
the most fun part is that the dev team lead "Ubik" was put into insane asylum afterwards. Paradox has a great talent at hiring good for nothing schizos.

>>724916843
wtf

>>724916374
why lie?

>>724905954
>nick
malk
>stav
giovanni
>adam
nos
>cool adam
toreador
>rice president
kuei-jin
>andrew yang
kuei-jin

>>724909793
It’s not like fucking dishonored you pathetic faggot. Stop trying to push this, no one thinks your discount shitty walking sim is like Dishonored. Kill yourself.

>>724917232
It is very similar to Dishonored in a lot of ways, but it's really its own unique thing for the most part.

>>724909793
I agree it's like Dishonored.

>>724917120
btw im gay

>>724915714
>>724915938
The problem with the Hardsuit gameplay is not that it's a vertical slice. It's that the game was, at the time like 6-12 months from release, and that was basically all they had. They had the opening mission where you get mass embraced and put on trial. They had the find slugg quest. They had the slices for the hospital and the warehouse. And they had a lot of really nice environments and character models done by a very talented team who were understaffed. The problem lay in the game itself. They were simply nowhere near ready.

This is kind of the secret why TCR got away with throwing so much away. Because Hardsuit hadn't really delivered anything usable. They didn't have some amazing quest chains or anything that could be ripped out and turned into cool sidequests. They had a skeleton. Half a skeleton. A femur.

>>724916980
Show me a single area in the game that has this type of streets

>>724917597
I just did.

>>724917654
Oh, you're just trolling, kill yourself

>>724917597
TCR's Seattle definitely has sloped streets, but I agree it is flatter than HSL's.

>>724885559
An actual canon event in VtM is the Sears Tower gets blown the fuck up with a giant magical spirit dragon and the vampires and werewolves have to stop it on live tv. This having been preceded by Zeus being woken up and it raining gooses and Sabbat sending balls of blood brothers down the streets to gobble everyone up.

>>724916980
>>724917654
these pics are nowhere near the same

>>724917729
>loses argument
>uh um erm ur trol!!!
The haters in these threads are invariably retarded.

>>724917859
"y-you lost the argument, i-i won't explain further"
I accept your concession

>>724917990
>repetitive meme language
>can't use 4chan properly
Invariably.

>>724918024
The absolute cope is pristine, thank you for humiliating yourself for my amusement

>>724917859
>>724918024
>tfw you share a board with this

>>724917859
This game blows, it's not some sort of "hater" faggotry, retard.

I hope the antediluvian wake up and devour you all.

>>724918114
>yo-you're humiliated!
>replying multiple times
Haha, so pseudo-feminine and zoomer. Zoomer insults presume a third party is judging you harshly, they presume the panopticon, the crowd. "Chat, what do we think?" The greatest insult is that “everyone” thinks you’re lame.

Mom gave you a tablet at 11 because she was asleep at the wheel and didn't really care, and the results have been catastrophic, to the point you can't even tell a hill when you see it. Sad.

>>724918564
holy mad

>>724870783 (OP)
how to ruin another vampire game

>>724915714
>This looks better in every way.

because it's just a demo

>>724919273
Zoomers are also nig coded, especially the single mother ones, so all their mannerisms and meme language is derived from hood gibberish. Sometimes they'll combine the two, "oh yo u be mad dawg!" with "something something everyone, the crowd!"

U MAD BRAH?! TROLOLOLOL

O RLY!?! GOT EM!